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CHRISTMIAS MUSIC PROGRAN ON WRC Metropolitan Opera Quartet and Concert Stars to Be Heard Tonight. A program of music tuned to the holy | 88 well as the festive spirit of Christ-| mas will be presented by a quartet of ! Metropolitan Opera and concert stars over WRC and c.er National Broad- | casting Co. stations tonight at 9:15 o'elock. The quartet, especially ofganised for the Christmas program, includes Martha ' Atwood, soprano; Merle Alcock, con- tralto; Lewis James, ténor, and Wilfred Glenn, basso. Nl?mbeb“ mus&d of g’r“ great masters will presented. - chestral and vocal selections will include | ballads and oratorio numbers that are famous yet seldom heard. ! Another Christmas program will be| broadcast during the Big Brother Club | presentation. A dramatic sketch will portray the first Christmas in the town of Bethlehem. The Capitol “Family” program will feature Lyana Donza, soprano. She will be heard in several solo numbers, sssisted by the Capitol Orchestra, di- rected by Yasha Bunchuk. Popular Music Program. ‘The Chnnl] Orche‘strt h(}:':ers & pro- gram of popular music, while Sam Her- man, xylophonist, will feature in his recital the carol “Silent Night.' man also will play several popular melodies. Another Christmas carol, “Only Be- gotten Son,” will be sung by the Rus- sian Cathedral Choir, “Beyond the Starry Skies” and “The Three Oav- aliers” are among the other numbers. Arthur Henderson, Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs in Great Britain's Labor Cabinet, will be heard in a re- ndon over WMAL and other Columbis Broadcast- hg.gey"um stations. He will discuss 3 Conclave of Nations pro- ‘The regular clave T 0T 0 er will be Senor Homero Viterl Lalronte, Minister to the United States from that country. Musical selections by Ecua- e Beteianding. aherpoon pros- tatan R Ky associates, the weekly oconc New York Philharmonic Symphony Or- chestra, will feature Beethoven's “Ero- jea” and Schubert's “Symphony in B r.” The “Venusberg Scene” from Wagner's “Tannhauser” also will be .0l Ledther Wallet. work. Gauchos, conducted by Vincent will present a program of Span- number of follow vary Baptist and e Wi e Catholic hout, originating at the Ooncep- tion Church. OLD SANTA ON PROGRAM Christmas Broadeast to Inelude Colorful Events. Claus and the Yuletide spirit wmpremm;wmw Germany by meédium of short waves “How Americs Spends Christmas.” —————— Radio Drama in New Form. fheir Tines and at the same u::mu Musical m‘;-l{l be \|fi‘lf B to enhance the effect of the character- izations. NEREL T —~ Tree Ceremonies to Be Broadcast. n's CHristmas eve c%hbnp to the Na- d press the button Major “Chain” Features COMING INTO WASHINGTON. and C. B. 8. network. 1:30—Conclave of Nations; in honor of Ecuador— and C. B. 8. network. 1:30—Neapolitan Days; vocal and ine rogram L AL Martha Atwood (left heard i » special THE SUNDAY STAR, WASHINGTON, D. C., DECEMBER 21, 1930—PART FOUR. ds P neert sopraito, who will join three other famous si tonight over and other N. B. C. stations. children’s Christmas m Gardner, on the right, is the actress sta; network. In the center is over WMAL and other Columbia stations Thursday in the radio drama, “Death Valley Da; in presenting a Christ- 1ds, soprane, who will morning. _Virginia ys,” broadcast over an N. B. Catherine Today on the Radio (All time p.m., unless otherwise indicated.) WRC 55 8:00a—Tone 315.6 Meters. Kilocycles. pictures. 00a—Children’s hour. 10:00 to 10:30a—Woodwind Ensemble. 12:00m—Mi; niature recital. 12:15—National Oratorio Society. 1:15—The Pilgrims. 1:30—Neapolitan Days. 2:00—Moonshine and Honeysuckle. 2:30—Roxy Symphony Concert. 3: String Quartet. 3:30—8oul thland Sketches. 4:00—Religious service by Dr. 8. Parkes Cadman, 6:00—Mixed chorus and orchestra. 6:00—Catholic hour. 7:00—Big Brothers’ Club. 30—"War,” by Col. Frederick Palmer. 8:00—Correct 8:01—Capital tim e. ly.” : ral orchestra. 9:00—"Our Government,” by David Lawrence. 9:15—Quartet of famous singers and Jose Pasternack’s Orchestra. 11:14 Herman, xylophonist. 11:30 (??MI:ZZW—MIH Cathedral Early Program Tomorrow. 6:45a—Tower health exercises. 8:00a—Phil Cook, comedian. 8:15a—Morning devotions. 8:30a—Cheerio. g melodies. 9:00a—] 9:458—Our 10:008— ‘Safeguardiny Drug Supply,” by W. Food. g Your Food and 10:15a—Hits and_Bits. 10:30a—"Please Tell Me,” 10:45a—Hits and Bits. eve- | 11:008—' R M by Jean 2:00—Organ _recital. 2:30—The Melody Three. :00—Currént Events. 3: 3:15—<M ities. 3:30—The Sixteen Singers, WOL 2289 Meters. 1,310 Kilocycles. 10:00a—Wateh Tower program. H iee Churéh, 12:00m—Birthdays. 4:00—Ralston’s Orchestra. 4:1 musie. as I know, has over said that Harry Saiter, the tra_cond strumental program—WRC and | woman, N. B. C. network. $:00—New York Philharmonic chestra—WMAL and C. B. 100—Capitol “Family”; variety pro- . Sram featuring Lyana Donza, soprano—WRC and N. B. C. C ; popular pro- hman _and Or- 8. 100—Old Curiosity i dramatisa- " uo"h of "l‘h‘a’ Leather Wal- let”-—~WMAL and C. B. 8. net- s—qwnmk' famou: ra and s " concert lonn, and .‘I’op:ef Pas- ternack’s Orchestra—WRC and N. B. €. a3 ~11:00—Back Home hour; sacred music e by soloists, quartet and orches- tra--WMAL and C. B. 8. net- work. HIGH LIGHTS ELSEWHERE. A 1100—Harbor dramatized L8 o e ; Mme. Schumann- vors Esemble off his chair, 't hauled the ‘dead musi- he cian out of -fln and turned to Salter. ldle?” he demanded. “‘Can you Salter could only nod and gulp. “Take off that coat I'i: Whi Pplace & little be! dawn, Harry had throug] closed, gone mental shooting frays. The next train took him East. He'd had his adventure. R get to work.” night away. ‘T isn't Harry Neely's fault that vis- itors to the 'gt.lldhl often take him for & violinist N they don't see betore the . N him o § - st e IP 475.9 Meters. WMAL 3§ gliocyeiss 12:00m—Jewish art 12:30—Rebroadcast London—Talk hour, 3:00—New York Philharmonic Sym- hony Orchestra. g service from the Wash- Cathedral; ; _sermon jht Rev. James E. Mt:'. of Washington. Rev. Donald Q. :00—Correct time. :01—The Golden Hour of the Little Flower; religious service from 8 O Retaiting a¢ a Seien by :01—=*] as a ce.” Dr. Toank M Suriaee 8:15—United Statés School of Music. 8:30—Kaltenborn Edits the News. Early Program Tomorrow. 8:00a—Tony’s Scrap Book. 8:15a—Brad and Al 8:30a—Morning devotions. 8:45a—The Duw&flir]. 00a—Opening the Morning Mail. 9:30a—Navy Band Edueational Cone f. lo:l)fll—-fgmfings," by Ids Bailey Al- len. 10:30a—Harmonies and Contrasts. 10:45a—Beauty talk by Carolyn Cor- nell. 11:00—"A Christmas Tes,” by Ids Allen. 11:158—The 11:30a—"Our 3:00—0o0! Balon Ofchestra. 8:30—~Organ recital by Ann Leaf. 205.4 Meters. 11:00 to 12:30—8ervices of the Fourth Church. 2:15 to 8:4i ureh of the Air. 4 music by the 7 L. 7:31—Roland r, ténor. 7:55—8Setvice at Pirst Chiurch of Ohrist & whaler in the Ant- 10 novels. Was leture outfit in Burope into broadcasting d thén founded a 80 well gotten He was & city sen to you, eal even ive him & blasty don't say orses!” like it. He's all sold up on horses for the time being; he doesn’t even want to | hear about them. “Thundering” Thorgersen used to take his exercise several years ago giving hotses their morning polish, but_since ,|he éame to the studios about all the éxercise he got for months was at the plano or on the dance floor, his two recreations. Friends purported to sight an exten- sion of the Thorgersen waist, and Eddle decided that maybe riding might be the best way of curtailing any physical ex- pansion program. Every day Eddie used to canter atound Oentral Park, and alwiys he had th~ same horse. was leasant beas co-Operative and com nable most o. the time, but it had a hard mouth. Bddie got a good part of the exercise bauling on the reins. The other d:iyut:en rrguhr mmfi‘t :.u being shod an y led out & y . thoy dabactad sor the pavk topether an or the er e b .'m:“ let the e path ba qutfer 8 canter. "t he decided A it AR réln. And when I say drew, mean hauled. He'd been s0 used to was worth, " | baving to haul for all he ||| off the air>—J. St. Q. : | —Metcy Blake, , 1] good stead one Sunday night not long . When she fitst became the Love S @Girl on the Collier's &ofllflu there were plenty of emergenc] the broadcasting studios. Microphones, and occasionally all the studio apparatus, would sometimes go dead, making it necessary, perhaps, for the cast to dash into an edjoining studio anhd plek up smu if nothing were wrong, and met] of production were 8o rudimentary that there was many & slip. Those were the days when you had to be ready for anything. The program on this recent Sunday night was golnhnn from the Times Square studio, before an audience of more than 600 people. Ford Bond, the announcer, had just finished a short speech before the curtain. The show the air. Lucille first " ced at her script. It was the one for next week! One gasp, and she leaped offstage. The people waiting around the micro- hone could hear her running up the flights of iron staifs to her dress- room. A doof slammed. A moment Iater they heard her piling down again. ‘With still plenty of seconds to go be- fore the production man should point to her to go into action, she was back at her place before the microphone, slightly out of breath, but as composed as if she had planned to do it all the If she hadn't been & 1 of quick decision she’d have muffed the chance to make that dash and get back in time. Maybe the fact that she's of the tangy athletic type helped a little, too. ‘The listener, by the way, who wrote in recently and pictured her as a viva- clous little blonde guessed wrong. Her complexion isn't it enough for that and her hair is chestnut. But I haven't made up my mind about the vivacity. “Buoyant” isn’t the word, but it's some- thing like that. McNAMEE'S QUESTION BOX. Q. Where was Milton J. Cross born and what is his nationality?—B. K. M., MA H 'v‘iorn and brough in . He was it New York City and is mm‘:&hly American. Q. Wil “M; House” be on the air any more? 1s there a book called “Mystery House,” and where can I gep 1t?—Mrs. M., Washington, D. C. A. “Mystery House” probably will not return—at least for several months. The author, Finis Farr, says he's written out on the subject at present. Thefe may be & book of that title, but it has noth- ing t6 do with the broadcast program. The announcer Jeff Sparks bears full name, and I seem to be getting ors as a great d- Please tell me where I RADIO IN CANADA Some of Best Minds Approve Move for Reorganizing and Nationalizing. BY MARTIN CODEL. / Spontaneous, vigorous and bearing the indorsement of some of the best minds in Canada is the movement for the reorganization and nationalization of the Canadian radio broadcasting structure launched by the newly formed Canadian Radio League. To American radio listeners, broadcasters and Gov- ernment officials, it bears tremendous significance, for in some respects it rep- resents a revolt against American broad- casting practices under what United States Senator Dill has aptly called “radio by the American plan.” Ultimate success of the Canadian Radio League's campaign will mean the establishment on the North American Continent of a somewhat modified be | counterpart of one of Europe's great broadeasting systems — the _ British Broadcasting Corporation. The plan contemplates government ownership and operation of the radio, pure and simple, though the Canadian govern- ment monopoly would be given the powers of & private enterprise and kept as free from political sway as is the British Broadcasting Corporation under its charter. Only Refined Advertising. lsucclls lflezh:‘ti‘the O".I'llmcifllfin calls “young Canada’s cause” will mean, moreover, that there will be established to the north of this country, but within tuning range of American receiving sets, since the basic Canadian stations must necessarily be of extremely high powers to serve the Dominion's widely scattered population, a system of broad- casting free of all advertising except the more refined forms that are under- taken, as are most of the programs on the American networks, by the lead- ing national advertisers primarily for good-will pi lnm‘ Radio League's plans late eliminating ddver tising spos ip, but minimising it. Presumably, although the league’s re- port does not say so, the new govern- ment broadcasting organization would be supported by such indirect advertis- ing, but also very largely by license fees on recelving sets, as in England. The British Broadcasting Corporation, hows ever, carries no advertising whatever. Canadians must now pay an annual re- ceiver license fee of only $1. Practices that have grown up under the American system are cited over and over again In the Canadian Radio League's pronunciamento as “horrible examples” to be avoided in_reordering radio in the Dominion. And these Ca- nadians resent the fact that “American stations cover the whole of Canada” and that “only three out of five Cana- dian families can hear Canadian pros grams.” Even the Canadian programs are unsatisfactory, for “the programs of the best quality are few and the majority of them are mixtures of ad- vertising announcements and phono- sl'.sph records.” Referting as well to nada’s present 70 broadcasters as to the American influence, the report remarks: “Canadian public opinion, so far as it may be influenced by the radio, is in the hands of irresponsible authiori- ties, however public spirited, and is at the mercy of American chains.” This indictment is aimed primarily against Canada's own broadcasters and_inci- dentally to those in the United States, but the Ottawa Citizen goes even fur- ther in expressing its fears of the American radio invasion: Debasing New Gift. “Commercial interests in the United Btates are debasing this new gift of en- gineering scence to the Hollywood level. .. . The Canadian radio field will be absotbed into the American orbit, just #s surely as the motion picture field has been absorbed, unless there is national action through Parliament to hold the fort during the experimental years ahead under public ownership.” If any American believes that there is_little of substance behind this radio revolt in Ganada, let him glance at him.—Jeff Sparks, [cil of the C e of the National Q Do “ and Bob” otner obrenen? s Rogers Balte A.'Yes, under their real names Nora Stirling end Willlam Brenton. They are well known New York radio Q. Is Frank Knight, the announcer, P., Toronto, Ontario. A. By no means. He annoufices sev- eral network programs a week. 3. 1s Ford Bond, the announcer, mar- rleA 7;N, C., Memphis, Tenn. . Yes. Q. Are Duke Ellington and his or- chestra Negroes? Where do they come "flAm,y_" uieT clnfitnnltl, cg}om . Yes, y_are Negroes. 1 n himself comes from Washington, but the r he came Do the lnlunh singers broadcast? ton, I1l. A. Yes, but not often. December 24 16 thelr first scheduled sppearance this Q. Are Gene and Glenn and Jake and really the same people?—Mrs. A, . Except that Jake and Lena are both played Gene, while Glenn plays the piano. 1 names are Gene Carroll and Glenh Rowell. .,13' 2 We dnon i ot T e not ‘announci any more.—H. F. s‘f.‘fcr-nm. )(.h‘ll'. A. He is doing special work on the ytime progratn, oh an éxclu- understand. Q. Is it true that Mildred Hunt is married>—*“Dona,” Atlantic Oity, N. J. A. She says “no,” but her denials aren't very convincing any more. I haven't been able to find out her hus- band's name, but he isn't any one who is on the air. Q. Will Guy Lombardo’s orchestra &y rl:quut numbers?—J. B,, Toronto, tario. A. 1t is impossible for any of the pop- ular broadcasting dance orthestras to grant individual requests, but they do keep track of the letters asking for par- ticular numbers and schedtile the more rnpuhr ones along with the newest pub- uins B g, Sxits Inde announce play request numbers, they are defmd with pleas just the same. Q. Did George Hicks, the anhouncet, z: play foot ball?—F. 8. H., Mobile, A. Not s far as I know, but he's nuts on that and base ball. (Copyright. 1930.) ECATUR 0100 V/L15 Radio , would Harvey | have the radio listeners exercise |} t, British Medical As- resident, Trades ‘Wheat Pool; Fred N. Southam, presi- dent, Southam Publishing Co.; Gen. Sir Arthur Currie, principal, McGill Uni- versity; Dr. R. O. Wallace, president, University of Alberta and the Associa- tion of Canadian Clubs; the Right Rev. Archbishop Matheson, former primate of all Canada, and nearly twice as many more persons equally prominent. As if their indorsement were not suf- ficlent the Canadian Radio League pub- lishes a list showing that the leldlns national clubs and associations an several score leading Canadian news: papers are on record in support of a national system of broadcasting for the Dominion. CAROLS TO BE ON AIR Annual Program at Press Club Will Be Broadcast. The annual program of Christmas carols at the Nationak Press Olub Wed- nesday afternoon from 1:30 to 3 o'clock WMAL and the will an colun‘:?nl network. ':!rhe National o bert singing. e solols Masters, e Dahl, Irene Koehl and Alicengene Graves. e g, nificance rel - peak on TISTUIAY adio Seic Phone Adams 3803 Smiths 18th & Col. Rd. Pastest and Best Radlo Sérvice in Town SMALL '49‘” AMOUNT isss Tusas OOV Free Delivery—Free Installation 0. K. Service OKAY RADIO COMPANY 617114h 84 N.W. 1700 Pa. Ave. N.W. B | NOW dominates the musical wotld | ¢ the sig- | YNCHRONIZATION, or the operation of two or more broadcast transmitters on a single wavelength, will soon become a working fact as a result of the a&mv-l last week by the Federal Radio Commission of ap- plications filed by the National Broadeasting Co. and two of its assoclates—! C, Hartford, and WBAL, Baltimore. This first permanent synchro- nizing plan under normal broad- casting conditions—long a dream of radio engineers—will not only effect an important step in the development of network trans- mission, but will enable WBAL and WTIC, which have hitherto shared a wavelength, to give full time service in their respective areas. Instead of remaining silent on alternate days, WBAL and WTIC will synchronize with key stations in New York. WBAL will broad. cast on the same wavelength as WJZ, and WTIC will co-ordinate its transmitter with A the meantime the two stations will retaln the wavelength 1,060 kilocycles now jointly allot- ted to them. WBAL will use this channel one day, while WTIC syn- chronizes with and draws pro- grams from WEAF. On the fol- lowing day the positions will be reversed, with WBAL and WJZ in the synchronizing roles. M. H. Aylesworth, president of the National Broadcasting Co., announced several weeks ago that synchronization was definitely past the laboratory stage. But the fact that a practical applica- tion was imminent became known only when the petitions were filed with the Radio Commission. The synchronization of two sets of stations, if successful, will cul- minate years of n&eflmenu by radio engineers. C. W. Horn, gen- eral engineer for the National Broadcasting Co.,, has wrestled with the problem ever since the idea was first conceived, and for the last year he has been super- vising the intensive work le to the prelcn‘t solgtk.m. * MODERN jazz will be surpassed in popularity by classical music within a_few years, or the expectations of musical experts in radio broadcasting will be sadly disappointed. Straws in the wind, ears to the ground and other methods of reading the future have given radic wise men reason to believe that the present preponderance of dance ballads is due to suffer a reversal. On this theory, says Dr. Julius Mattfeld, chief of the Columbia Broadeasting System’s musical library, radio stations are acquir- ing four symphonic, operatic or other classical scores for every one | « dance score. These figures, explained, are somewhat pered by the fact that the term “gsymphonic arrangements” in- cludes various indi ments of popular music. At the moment, however, dance tunes are by far the most popular kind of music. The library, says Dr. Mattfeld, is asked for six copies of jazz ballads to évery one request for more austere melodies. An average of 40 copies of new dance compositions—unsolicited— are received and placed in the files of the library at WABC each week. Seldom are more than two of these evur‘us.od; * Y turn the dial to an- other station.” That’s how Maj. Gen. Charles McK. Baltzinan, ci an the Federal their own cenmm‘p. For the commission, so he told a network audience recently, cannot be held responsible for what goes out on the air inasmuch as the commis- sion’s right to censor extends only to the suppression of obscene, in- decent or fane language. “No,” sald Gen. Saltzman, “the Federal Radio Commission cannot censor programs, but you, the listening public, can. Did you ever realize this? You have the rograms made to suit you—at least to suit the majority. Broad- casting is a business. For several reasons the broadcaster wants as many people as possible to listen to his station’s programs. His osition is like that of & store- er. He wants to attract more cu ers, and to do that he ;‘nnh, to know what they want to ear.” American broadcasting, accord- ing to Gen. Saltzman, is “thé best in the world.” The chairman of the mnflsuon.m‘m:t to know. * that radio practieally —what with the Columbia Broad- casting System’s merger of seven of the largest concert bureaus in 1n| that Metropolitan Opera will ual arrange- | g SAVE UP TO $50 ON NEW Majestic Model 93 QUANTITY LIMITED SO GET YOUR Majestic WITH ln:::.v DEPOSIT OKAY RADIO CO. America and the great acoessible tion of artistic talent rem mits and of the Naf under the ae brought before the mi hone to ce. Som étimes the - “studio” where “Amos ' . work is ciated with N. B. C. in the city in which they are stopping radio celebrities are receiv delight the American radio public. | the st Jascha Heifetz makes his radio debut during the N. B. C. slumber hour tonight, and for his first radio performance he will receive $15,000. This leaves Fritz Kreisler and Ignace Jan Paderewski as the only major artists who have not yet gone on the air in this country. Kreisler has never broadcast, consistently rejecting all offers. Paderewski has ap- ared in a radio studio only in utope, but he has intimated he may consent to a radio appear- ance at the close of his present American tour. Nearly all of the great musical aggregations have performed for the radio—but never the Metro- politan Opera. It is concelvabge e lured to the radio either through of | pressure from its own stars, nearly all 6f whom are now under radio -auspices, or when New York’s great “radio city,” with its magnificent operatic and theatri- cal centers, is completed. Chicago Opera broadcasts one act each Saturday night directly from the stage, but unfortunately for the national radio audience the networks each season have been exceedingly small. This sea-|to son’s network of 10 stations is the largest ever to carry Chicago ra. It includes WBZ, Boston; ZA, Springfield; WBAL, Balti- more; , Rochester; KDKA, Pittsburgh; KWK, St. Louis; WREN, Kansas City; WIBO, Chi- cago; WCKY, Covi , Ky., WE?W, Gmolnnltl.m . ERE “ AHO! N’ ANDY,” who have already broken all existing radio records for popularity and public affection, are out to add another mark to their imposing list of achievements. They be- lieve that they probably hold the record for having boardeast pro- grams from more different places in the country than any other radio performers. Although most of their per- manent connections have been in Chicago since they first crashed And | Constitution of ‘the Ui olstead udios. “Amos 'n’ Andy” estimate that they have broadcast from at least 150 cities throughout the country, which is in itself one of the surprising records in radio. LIQUOR RADIO TALK IS HELD CONTRABAND Detroit Station Not Allowed to Broadcast Programs of Kind From Canada. America’s suppressed desire for must be denied even that vicarious gratification it might get via the radio. Canadian distillers may not urge their wares upon thirsty Americans by broadcasting enticing descriptions of their products; at least, not over Amer- ican stations. For beer and whisky, even to talking about it on the radio, Eufl. remain a contraband of prohibi- on. BEu(:h. irl;\m:'flecfit;, is Col. Thad H. rown’s an opinion sought from him, as eral counsel of the Federal Radio jon, by Station WMBC, Detroit, which wanted advice whether it would be & violation of law broadcast programs otiginating in & studio in Windsor, just across the river in Canada, and 'flnmwreu by Canadian bréwers and distillers. Col. Brown declares that such adver- tising over an American station would be unlawful and would subject the sta- tion to punishment. Here's why: & ighteen idment to the A States and the Ve = act, th':.t enacted under provisions of amend- ment, have as their the preven- tion of the uflfl?& trans, » tion, sale use alcoholic g:v - ages in the United States. The Con- gress, by submitting the eighteenth amendment for ratification by the sev- mem “;l:nm and the ‘;lmugnn't.‘h:re':f ns that the usé of aleoholic beverages s against the public interest. “Any , therefore, which ad- the gate of radio fame, “Amos 'n’ | d Andy” have broadcast from prace tically every important city in the United States. This is because their broadcasts have gone on allmost twflitk:ou: mflmggo& for eru ve yéars in sj ex- tended s pe rsonal appearances, and their recent sojourn on the West Coast during the making of their movie, ‘heck and Double Check.” ‘Whi er “Amos 'n’ Andy” le Chicago, from which city theit programs are fed to a national network from the Chicago studios, take & broadcasting station them. In other words, spe- cial wires are run to the city in which they appear, which carry their nightly dialogues to the adquarters and so out the stations through which it public héars the perf audeville tours, special |1 vaudev! urs, hlm! 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