The San Francisco Call. Newspaper, January 24, 1899, Page 4

THE SAN FRANCISCO CALL, TUESDAY, JANUARY 24, 1899, en to two and no more in behalf of Col- :i Burns. ‘anat is a statement that be corroborated In Sacramento to- 3. It has been stated that the State or- ganization was lending itself to the up- & of the chances of some one par- ticular candidate. That is the re asked that question. That is really sidered out their province A s would be. The chairman—I want to extend my ex- | amination concerning Colonel Burns to the | % 11 i | against Burns, the State Central Commit- other candidates. .o you know, Major McLaughlin, of any other candidate than Daniel Burns, for the United States Sen- ship,atorship, having u e learned by been given in the stenographic reports of evidence before this committee? Well, you refer now to other Sena- pirations? Q. Other than Daniel Burns. I do not mean now to over what we have had here and that u have d in the su-n’-‘ ographic reports, but any other instance? A. No, sir. Mr. Burnett—Do you know of any ef- fort being made by the use o atronage, or the promise of patronage, or the threat old influence the to w vote of any for United S A. Simply w patronag to member t e Legislature d in the news- hapers. i d Have , as chairman of the State Central Committee rstanding with Governor G. wrd to having & share in the distribution of patronage? The chairman—I think, Mr. Mellick, that should be confined to whether it shall be | used in the 1 notion of the candidacy of ny particular candidate. ir. Hold on. I think it will be until I get through wait then I am willing to have it stricken out if it is not. all right. The chairman—Go ahead. A. You mean In connection with the Senatorial ms Mr. Mel distribution ¢ A. Well, at_the aign Governor ( &0 sther gentleme we were discussing the pa to his office, and he there before making appointments sult with us. The State Central ge coming ded that he would Committee lead- A. Well, certain leaders in the Repub- lican party. But that, of course, had no bearing whatever upon the Senatorial ). Now, then, following that right up, » State Central Committee has got its iquarters here, has it not? ir. ow, then, it seems that it would roper question to ask if you, as - head of that oommittee, are ad- ating Colonel Burns? ~Now, is not it iir to infer that you will u ur share that patronage toward helping Colonel B No man who knows me and ction with politics would so in- hall use whatever power I shall have in the matter of patronage for the benefit and advantage of my party; not for Colonel Burns or any other man. N dner—That would all be in your ay, would it not? rust so. e chairman—In that connection, jor, was there amything said at that m¢ convention of friends that any portion of that patronage should be used so as to promote the c for United States Se A. Absolutely no. Q. Was the discussion Wwith reference to the use of patrons onnection_with in United States Sena- A Mr. . Green and Mr. Brown testified here that the reason they did not put their money in the State Central Com- mittee was because you were unfriendly during the campaign'to Mr. Grant's can- didacy to the United States Senate., Was that true? A. Mr. Green and Mr. Brown endeavor- ed, during the time vhat Mr. Grant was striving to elect a Legislature friendly to himself, to induce me to become his friend to the extent of taking him to my, home in Oroville and to fianta Cruz, where I also have a residence, him to people ther I took the ground that, as the chairman of the State Central Committee it was not my right to indorse any candidate, and I held aloof from Mr. Grant as much as I did from any other candidate; and on that they based the idea that I was unfriendly to Mr. Grant. I am free to admit that 1 was unfriendly in the sense that I did not at any time regard him as a fit rep- resentative of our State and people, and that largely actuated me in refusing to further his cause. But had I even been as friendly to him as to Colonel Burns, 1 would have refused to have allied my- self with him at that time. That is the reason that they judged that I was un- and introducing and I refused. friendly to their candidate. That they withheld money from the State Central Committee on that account I do not be- lieve is true, because up to within a week of the close of the campaign Mr. Grant ha d a subscription to Mr. Kil- surer. The statement at at time was that Mr. Grant was out of town and he could not reach him, but as soon as he returned he would in all prob- ability make a contribution to the funds. t*Did he do it? To the best of my belief: he has not. Q. Did not contribute anything to the campaign? A. No, sir; not to the State Central Committee, What effort did they make to secure vour friendship to Grant's didacy ? A. Well, by subsequently ating to me that Mr. Grant was a_prog 5 r candidate, that he was a v able gentleman, that he had strong influences in the East, which was one thing that somewhat turned me against Mr. Grant, because in e of my visits to Washingfon Senator kins and Mr. Curran asked me to enlist in his behalf, and I told him that we were competent to select our own Senator without their interference, which was one of my objections in the first place to Mr. arant. Mr. Mellick—Before the election on No- vember 8 had Colonel Burns intimated to you in any way that he would be a candidate for the United States Senate? A. No, sir; he had not. Q. When did he first intimate to you that he might be a_candidate? 3 A. Well, Colonel Burns was interested 1 the candidacy of another gentleman, nd he'was so unspeakably repulsive to me that it st led to a severance of ¥ 1 itions between the Col- onel and rayself. 1 declined to have any- thing to do with it, and practically re- tired from the field. Tt was not until the Colonel himself became a candidate, and not until he in fact became bitterly and grossly attacked by these organs, that I championed his cause, which was, I be- lieve some time about the first of the y Q. That was the time, then, that he gav out the firet intimation that he wofilfi b: a candidate, A. Yes, of course. It was generall rumored, but I paid no attentlon to that, and I had several talks with the Colonel, but I did not until 1 came to Sacramento— no, pardon me. The day before I came to Sacramento, at the Palace Hotel, I had a talk with the Colonel, and he then said that he would become a_candidate for the United States Senat® I told him that I was with him. Mr. Burnett—Did Mr. Green or Mr. Grant at any time, when trying to enlist your support, speak of having a list of the members' of the Legislature pledged to Mr. Grant, or having a number of legis- ators? A. Well, T _could not ass - tvély, Mr. Burnett, but thes 1oq e se believe that they had the ficld; that the battle was practically over; that they haa a great many men tied up to them, and {hat it would be decided on the first bal- ot. Q. Did they state any reaso; v they had these men tied up? On what frosney }'lnwas Mr. Green who spoke to you, was ‘A, Yes, in the presence of Mr. . .We had many converéations on the mc ject. No, I cannot say that they gave me anv special reagon why they depended on e support o e L ibly: snnamas.‘ pI the Assemblymen or DId Mr. Green ever speak of ¥ ufqhavlmz advanced money to ?h«fsls‘ee n':rcxf didates for the Legislature or having put money Into their districts as one reagon why those members would A support Mr. 3‘ Noi he aid not. : ere were special reasons wh; should support Mr. Grant® y N A. Simply said ‘that they had them; that they had helped them, and they had a sufficient number to elect on the first ballot. Of course it is easy to see that [ = =at taken Into any of the circles of | | | | S { the Grant forces after my declaration. Mr. Mellick—Did_you have a conversa- tion with Speaker Wright in regard to the candidacy of Colonel Burns? A. No, T did not. Q. So far as you are concerned will the action of any legislator in reference to the United States Senatorship have any- thing to do with the distribution of pa- | tronage? A. Certainly not. Q. That is, if a man {s yoting for Grant, voting for Bulla, voting' for Barnes, as tee, so far as you are councerned, will not throw patronage as against them? A. Surely not. When the subject of patronage was under general discussion it was to have the party benefited and strengthened by the distribution of such offices as are within the gift of the Gov- ernor. It was on these lines that we were discussing patronage. The Sena- hip or any man’s ambition for the Senatorship was not even thought of in any way, shape or form and would not be thought of. The chairman—As a matter of fact, Ma- jor, the wise distribution of patronage may be so made as to strengthen the party? A. That is it exactly. Q. And the unwise distribution, as to disrupt it and make it weak; is not that At. I believe that is undoubtedly cor- ect. Q. And that was the subject-matter of that discussion? A. That was the subject-matter of the discussion. That is, on that general policy the conversation was based. Q. And in that matter I presume it is your custom to confer with those who are of acknowledged ability in the matter of the conduct of political campaigns. A. Surely. To the victor belongs the spoils, and to the best victors the spoils ) Q. That'ls a good old Democratic doc- trine of Jackson's. A. Well, it is a good Republican doc- trine. We will try and follow it out this time. R s D. M. BURNS AS AN ANGEL. D. M. Burns, being sworn, testified as follows: The chairman—Have you bheen penaed, Colonel? A. No, sir. Q. Are you willing to come before the committee without being subpenaed? A. Most assuredly. Q. Your name is Daniel M. Burns? sub- Q. Where is your residence? A. San Francisco. Q. Are you the Daniel M. Burns who is a ‘candidate before this Legislature for election to the United States Senatorship? AT am, Q. Mr. Burns, have you used any money to influence any legislator in the matter of the election of United States Senator? 1 have not, sir. . Directly or indirectly? AT have not. Q. Have you ised any patronage, or the promise of patronage, or_the threat to withhold patronage, for the purpose of neing the vote of any member of the lature on the question of the United satorship? ave not. ave you authorized any agent of 10 use any money or patronage, or the promise of money or patronage, or the withholding of patronage, to influence the Yote of any legislator on the question of the United States Senatorship? A. I have not, sir. Q. How long have you been a candidate before the Legislature, or before the peo- ple, for the office of United States Sen- ator? A. I arrived at a conclusion in my own mind to become a cgndidate the day after Christmas. I announced my candidacy on the 24 of January. Q. It was testified here, Mr. Burns, by Mr. Herrin, that at one time he issued passes to persons whose names he could not remember, two of them, at your so- licitation, I think, s port two persons to some point in Penn- vania, perhaps Philadelphia, and that you paid for those passes or tickets, as the case may be. Mr. Mellick—They were not passes. They were ticket vell, The chalrman tickets, Mr. Mellick—And, then, at the request of some other part; The chairman—Well, T will find out about that. Do you ~remember any such instance as that? o. elther passes or A, . Q. Kindly state to the committee how you came to do that, and at whose solici- tation, if true, and whether it is true, state, A. Mr. Merrill came to me, I think, abut the 10th of December and stated to me_ that there was a man and his wife in his district who were poor, objects of charity; that if they remained here they would become a public charge; that they were being supported then by contribu- tions raised in his district; that if he could get a reduced rate—that he had been to the railrond company to try to get a reduced rate to send them back to their friends, and that he was unable to do so. He wanted to_know if I could not assist him. T said: ““What sort of ticket do they want?’ He replied, “Emigrant.” *“About what would it cost?” ‘“Well,” he said, “I don’t know, but you might be able to get a charity ticket.” I said, “I don't think s0.” But after discussing the matter at some length 1 wrote to Mr. Herrin, ask- ing him if he would give them tickets and make the best rates that he could. A few days after Mr. Herrrin said that under the State commerce law they could not issue passes or could not issue tickets, and that he had directed these tickets to issue and I would have to pay for them, and I did. Q. Do you remember the amount you paid for them? A. My recollection now is it was $132 or $133, something of that kind. Q. This was at the solicitation, as I understand you, of Assemblyman Mer- rill? A. Yes, Q. Of what district? A. Thirty-sixth. Q. You had had a talk with Mr. Merrill abnug 1t? : Ves, sir. 8: Now in that talk that you had with Assemblyman Merrill in connection with these tickets, this thing of the couple, was anything said directly or indirectly con- cerning his vote for United States Sena- 2 08" Not a word, and T will state further that 1 never talked with Mr. Merrili about the Senatorial question or any- body's candidacy until after the roll call here in the Legislature and he had voted for Mr. Grant. 1 saw him that afternoon and discussed the matter with him, and he said to me that he had voted on a pilque. I will frankly confess that I ex- pected as much to have Mr. Merrill’s vote DS any other member of the delegation, and furthermore, 1 never asked .. single man to vote for me. Many of them have Yolunteered to me that they would sup- port me, but personally 1 never have asked any one. 1 have not been in the condition to ask any one, because 1 was not a candidate, and, as I have stated be- fore, 1 had not made up my own mind o become a candidate until tne day after as. Chfl'sl}}‘: 26th of December last? % Sien a thougnt never entered my any previous time. v ¢ mlr‘;g ‘:r!\y n)un‘:l untfl after The Call and the Chronicle commenced to abuse me. That put the llden into my head more ing else. lh‘j.nv?’re‘fit.hlheg abuse ef the Chronicle and Call might be considered an improper in- irougmsto beaé" upgn a candidate Tnited States Senate. “’X nl.‘et!‘flnk it has been a very improper I think it has been an outrageous one. one. Vi nel, were anQ' ?n:lxl\hsrmion paying for these tickets for the couple mentioned. by the Sena- torial situation or with the hope of secur- ing the vote of Mr. Men-m’for a candidate for United States Senator? 'A. Not in the slightest degree. Q. Was there any intimation made by you, or by any agent of yours with vour authority, fl‘uu you would assist Mr. Mer- ecuring ;’;‘sg“ois securfi\g his vote for any candi- nte for United States Senator? "A. None whatever. In fact, Mr. Merrill tame to me in the State Central rooms. We went into the back room and he told me his story, and I h{x(pulslve!y decided to sist him in the matter. uQ‘. %’ure)y as a matter of charity? ou Influenced in A. Purely. Q. 1‘(:.,( n}; a business transaction in any EERSGN " . No, sir. Q. Has Mr. Merrill repaid you the money that you paid for those tickets? A. Tle has not. T would not expect it. Q. Has Mr. Mgrrlll, in consideration of our having for those tickets, direct- fy or indirectly promised, or given it to be understood to 10“‘ that he will vote for you for United States Senator? 0, r. he voted for you? these tickets for the pur-| A. He has not. Q. Have you interceded in behalf of any other friends of any Assemblymen or Senator of this Legislature by securing for them tickets or transportation or passes over the Southern Pacific Compa- ny's lines? A. I have not. Q. It has been stated here that Moses Gunst said in a conversation with Colonel Preston that you had expended $19,000 in the Senatorial fight. Will vou kindly state to this committee what truth there is in that statement? . Al Absolutely nothing. There is no truth n t. Q. I will ask you this question, Colonel: In any contribution that you made to the State Central Committee funds, did you make any limitation or conditions as to the use that that money should be put to with reference to the Senatorial fight? No, sir. Q. Did you put any. money into the hands of the State Central Committee that should be used directly in the elec- tion of the members of the Legislature with the purpose of influencing or con- trolling their votes, or the vote of any one of them, for any candidate for the United States Senate? A. I did not. Q. Did vou put any money, whether to the State Committee or otherwise, into the fight of any legislative candidate with the hope or expectation of influ- encing or controlling their votes for any candidate for United States Senator? A. 1 @id not. Q. Do you_ know, Colonel Burns, of Charles G. Lamberson of Visalia, Cal., having had any use of your money, OF any money that you had any control over, for the purpose of influencing the vote of any member of this Legislature for any candidate for the United States Senate? A. No, sir. I do not think 1 know Mr. Lamberson. Mr. Burnett—Did you ever receive any '\.‘nmlil;l\lnlcn.llon from Mr. Lamberson of V' a? A. No, sir. I may in years past, when I have been on the State Central Com- mittee, but none within the last couple of vears. The chairman—Mr. Burnett, I want to at this juncture ask Mr. Lardner to be- come the chairman of this committee, and ask you to investigate the question as to whether Mr. Burns or anybody in his behalf had used any influence by money. or patronage, or the promise of money or patronage, or the threat to withhold patronage, to influence the vote of Assemblyman Cosper for any candi- date for United States Senator, and I will take no further part during that partic- ular part of your deliberations. Mr. Lardner—Consider the statement as a question, and I will ask for an an- swer, Mr. Burns, A. I have not. Q. Do you know of any patronage, or threats to withhold patronage from Mr, Cosper, having been used to influence his vote I&’ln(' v or the other? A. N o, Q. Do’ you know of any offers having been made to Mr. Cosper of money to in- fluence his vote one way or the other, as to the Senatorial aspirants? A. No, sir, I do not. Mr. per—Particularly the $6000. A. No, Mr. Lardner—Did you read or hear that rumor in the paper about an offer hav- ing been made to Mr. Cosper of 360007 A. Yes, I read it'in the papers. Q. And that Mr. Cosper then went to a friend of Mr. Grant and _said that should he decline to vote for Mr. Burns and vote for Mr. Grant, he wanted the same consideration given to him? A. T read that, yes. No truth in it, so far as 1 know. Q. ‘Do you know of any offer having been made to Mr. Cosper of $6000 if he would vote for you? A. I do not. Q. Or any cther sum, more or less, than $60007 A. I do not. . Do you know anything of the truth or falsity of whether Mr. Cosper went to Mr. Grant's friends or any other candi- date’'s friends, stating to them that if he refused the supposed offer to you that he should receive the same compensation if he went to them? . 1 do not, sir. Mr. Mellick—Did Mr. Cosper come to you with a request for any concession, monetary or political? A. He did not. Q. If he would vote for you? A. He did not, sir. Q. Did he send to you or any of his friends come to you with any such re- quest? A. He did not. Mr. Lardner—Did Mr. Cosper or any friend of his make any application to you as to any patronage that might be entire- ly controlled or in the control of those that you are very friendly with, to in- fluence his vote one way or the other? A. No, sir. Q. Or withholding of any advantages or privileges or favorable legislation that he might hope to have in the Legislature if he should vote for you or no A. No, st Mr. Melli F? A. Well, T have about four or five hun- dred, 1 think. Q. I mean a financial agent? k—Do you have a political A. No, sir. : Q,V\th handles any funds whatever for you? A. No, sir. Q. Would you like to have one? Mr. Burnett—How much has your cam- paign for the United States Senatorship cost you? A. Whatever my hotel bills and hack- hire may be here. I have not settled them yet, Mr. Burnett. They are gener- ally high enough. . You do not consider that your con- tribution to_the State Central Committee is an expenditure in connection with your candidacy for United States Senator? A. Why, certainly not. I have been a contributor for vears to the general fund. Mr. Sanford—You say that Assembly- man Merrill has not voted for you? N No, sir. Q. Have you expected his vote, did you say? hnA. 1 did. That s, T had no reason to expect otherwise. He was from my home and there Is a very warm feeling in San Francisco for me. Q. Do you expect his vote in view of the fact that you had secured this trans- portation? A. Why, certainly not. . Did_he explain to you the reason why he did not vote for you? A. Yes. Q. What were his reasons? ° A. He had requested me to get him the chairmanship of a committee and have him placed on two or three other com- mittees and he did not get the committees and blamed me for it. explained to him after he had voted that I never saw the committee list and did not have the op- portunity. The committees were given out to the Associated Press before 1 had an opportunity of consulting with the Speaker with relation to them. And he thought that he had been overlooked. He was piqued and angry; and that was the reason that he gave me. The chairman—When you are through, ?entlemen. I want to ask a few questions. do not think you have probed the mat- ter quite deep enough to satisfy me with reference to myself, and with your per- mission, Mr. Lardner, I will ask some further questions. Mr. Lardner—I thought I had asked all reasonable questions. The chairman—Colonel, I desire to ask you if anybody representing himself as mln{ from me or representing himself is a friend of mine, has solicited vou to pay any money, Or Use any promise of money, Or use any patfonage or promise of patronage, to influence my vote for any candidate for United States Senator? A. They have not. Q. Has anybody told you that if you would use any money Or patronage in my behalf, thareb{ you could get favor- ahle’ influence with me for my vote for ou? A. They have not. Q. Do you know anything that you can state to this committee that will point them to any evidence that they can se- cure in that behalf? A.. I do not, sir. Is there any understanding, ex- pressed or impli open or secret, be- tween yourself and any man that in- fluence will or can be used upon Assem- blyman Cosper whereby his vote can be obtained for you as candidate for United States Senator? A. There is not. 5 Q. Has there been any such understand- ing since this Legislature met or since the election of the Legislature? A. None at all, sir. Q. Then the story, so far as you know. is abe_'olutely without truth or shadow o truth? A. Absolutely without truth or founda- tion in fact. Mr. Mellick—Has any State, county or otl:e: ofllcetr g}umtelf‘hr at your disp&n.l atny ronage to T your aspirations for nited gta.tel Benator? A. There has not. Q. Dia “}'ou have a conversation with Speaker Wright, at any time, in regard to ;hlerghange of his vote from Bulla to your- elf? A. Yes, sir. Q. What was that conversation? A. It was, let me see: The first ballot was on Tuesday, if 1 remember correctly. The second ballot on Wednesday—W ednes- day afternoon, I think. Q. It was right after he changed? A. No, before he changed. Q. What was that conversation? A. 1 told him that I had expected his vote and. he said to me that there had been some influences directed against his voting for me. He said he had been in- vestigating the charges that had been made against me by The Call and the Chronicle and had not made up his mind that he ought to vote for me until the afternoon that I had the conversation with him. He said he thought now that the charges were disproved in his judg- ment and believed that he would be do- ing right to vote for me. . Did you remind him, or did you inti- mate to him in any shape or form, that he owed the Speakership to you? A. T did not. A. I considered that I was a factor in shape or form? A. I consider that I was a factor in making him Speaker. Q. And to what extent? A. Well, to a considerable extent. My friends, who are legislators, supported him or agreed to support him, when he was first announced as a candidate. Mr. ‘Wright and I were on very friendly terms, but there was no question of considera- tion in that. It was merely what course I might pursue with relation to anything. Q. At some previous time had you prom- ised to iive him your influence toward the Speakership? A. At some previous time? Q. Yes. Yes, sir. Will v you state the particulars of hat? A. Well, that is all there is to it. I agreed that T would support him long be- fore the election. Q. Were there any conditions attached? A. None whatever. 1 had agreed to support Howard Wright for Speaker a considerable time before the election. Mr. Burnett—At whose request, Mr. Burns, did you agree? A. It was after a consultation between him and myself. He told me that he wished to be Speaker of the House. Ala- meda County had had a very prominent candidate for Governor. They failed in securing the nomination. They have had no place on the ticket—on State ticket— and T thought it was due to Alameda County to give them the Speakership. I said to him: “If your county asks this, and the Assemblymen from your county desire it, I will assist you.” Q. Did you state to Mr. Wright at the time that you spoke to him and told him that you had expected his vote—did you state to him the ground upon which you bad expected that? A. No, sir. Q. Well, upon what base your expectation? A. That of friendship. Yt 1s very rarely, Mr. Burnett, that 1 ask a man the direct question. do not believe that I have any recollection now of asking any one whether he would Supptiet me oF ot There are certain lines of friendship that I believe would indicate the course they would pursue without asking a question. Mr. Wright and 1 have been on very friendly terms, and I expected his vote as much as 1 expected one from San Francisco or any one from San ¥rancisco. The chairman—Colonel, at the time or just prior to the time the Speaker of the ‘Assembly changed his vote from Bulla to yourself, was any inducement brought to bear upon Speaker Wright by way of money, or the promise of money or pa- tronage, or the promise of patronage, or by way of a threat of withholding pa- tronage, or withholding of influence upon any legislation that he might desire, to induce him to change that vote? A. No, sir. . Q. By you or by any agent of yours, to your knowledge? A. No, sir; it was a voluntary act on the R‘. fit of Mr. Wright. I did not send for Mr. Wright. He sent for me and saild he was ready to make the change. I did not seek him.” He sent a message to _me. Mr. Mellick—He sent what? A. A message that he wanted to see me. The chairman—Are there any further questions? If not, you will be excused, Mr. Burns. GRANT AND HIS MONEY. U. S. Grant Jr., being sworn, testified as follows: The chairman—You have been sub- penaed, have you? A. Yes, sir. Q. Your name is Ulysses 8. Grant Jr.? A. Yes, sir. Q. You reside at San Dlego, in this State? A. Yes, sir, 2 Q. How long have you resided there? A. Nine years. Q. You are the U. 8. Grant Jr. who is a candidate before this Legislature for their suffrages as United States Senator? A. Yes, sir. Q. 1 want to say to you, in this con- nection, Mr. Grant, that you are called before this committee largely because it is thought that you might want to make a statement to them concerning some facts that have been brought before us. Mr. Milton J. Green has said that he was your financial agent for you as a candi- date for United States Senator. That is correct, is it? A. That is right. Q. You have placed certain funds in his hands to promote your candidacy? A. I have, as he called for them. Q. At the time you placed this money in his hands to promote your candidacy un- der what instructions did you place such funds in his hands? A. I was directed to Mr. Greén by Sen- ator Perkins, who said that Mr. Gréen had had considerable experience’in assist- ing in his campaign for Senator, and I agreed with Mr. Green that I would fur- nish him with any funds that were neces- sary for a legitimate prosecution of the ! grounds did you campaign. I limited it, however, to tnat extent that it must be entirely legitimate, and I know Mr. Green well enough to trust him entirely. I trusted him entirely and believed that he would not use any means for any other purpose than what were perfectly legitimate. In the distribution of this money so Elnccd in his hands by you did you give im and direct him in its distribution or did you leave that matter to his judg- ment? ‘A. Entirely to his judgment. Q. Do you know as to how or in what manner those funds were distributed? A. 1 only know of one case, where a gentleman told me that he had been speaking throughout the State for the general State traveling at my expense. Q. Who was that? Captain Cressy of Los Angeles. . In any other instance he has been controlled only by his own judgment and not by a_ direction of yours? A. Well, in this matter, I had not any direction to give him on the subject. I simply became informed of the matter by the gentleman speaking to me on the subject. Q. Has Mr. Green at any time reported to you the manner in which he used any portion of the money that did not meet with _your approval? A. No; he never has. Q. Or that you consider improper and contrary to the instructions that you had given him that it should be only a legiti- mate use of the money? A. I must say that he has not reported to me at any time. I expect him to re- port later. Q. In the matter of dlstflbutln§ your money, you did not call on him for re- ports from time to time? A. Not at all. Mr. Mellick—Mr. Grant, you drew a check to Speaker Howard 1. Wright for $750, did you not, or at his request? A. 1 drew a check at the request of Mr. Green, and whether I drew it to Mr. Green or to Speaker Wright or to his man Yeazell, that he speaks of, I do not know. Q. What did Mr. Green say to you when you drew the check? A. 1 happened to be sitting in_his office when this letter came, and he handed it over to let me read it, and having read it I threw it back on the table again, and I made no remark whatever. = Q. This letter from Mr. erfht? A. From Mr. Wflght. But I think per- haps it may have been next day that he suggested that I had better draw him a g{xeck for $750, and I did and left it with m. Q. And was that a contribution to Mr, ‘Wright's_campaign fund? A. Mr. Wright's letter said that he was very anxious to pay off a friend who had immediate use for the money; that he did not owe the money to the man at the present time, or at least yet, but that he was very anxlous to accommodate him. He promised to pay it back. & Q. At the time that you drew the check, GA ticket and that he was] aia to ou understand it as a contribution r. Wright, or was it a loan? . No; I considered it a loan. Q! Has it ever been repaid? A. It has not. Q. And what evidence of an indebted- ness do you hold? A. I think Mr. Green holds some evi- dence, but I do not. The letter was a re- quest to Mr. Green and not to me. Q. Previous to that you had given $900, had you not? CA). i;i‘)d sir, . you have any knowledge of $3007 a\‘?Ae'rI had not any knowledge of it what- Q. Did you draw a check or give money to any other Assemblyman upon the re- quest of Mr. Green? A. I did not give this to Mr. Wright, either. 1 gave this to Mr. Green, and he did as he pleased with it, and I did not give any money to any Assemblyman wantf)viedn 3 you personally put any money in any legislative district. I mean con- tribute to any? A. The only contribution that I made was for the election of Governor Gage outside of my contribution to Mr. Green. Q. That was to the State Central Com- mittee? A. No; to my county committee. The chairman—Before you leave that line of questions about the letter, I want to_ask a question. Mr. Mellick—All right. The chairman—You dropped a remark, I think, that Mr. Mellick did not catch— to the effect that there was in this letter a promise to repay—the $7:0. Am I right about that? A. That s my recollection. Mr, Mellick—No, I did not catch that. The chairman—But you read the letter? A. I read the letter. I was reading the newspapers at the time, and I read the letter and threw it down on the desk and went on reading the paper, but it is my recollection that he promised to pay it back. I thought he promised to pay it back as soon as he came back to town, but I did not see him again for a long time, and of course I did not expect it. I thought he may have perhaps paid it back to Mr. Green. Q. You do not know whether he has paid it to Mr. Green or not? A. I see In the paper that he has not paid it back, but otherwise I know noth- ing about {t. Mr, Mellick—You expected Mr. Wright to vote for you, did you not? A. I hoped he would. Q. And what was the hope built upon? A. Well, it was built upon the fact that I saw him personally at Mr. Green's of- fice and because he was extremely pleas- ant to me personally, He fookk ‘pains when he saw me to talk to me and on one occasion he said that my only competitor would be Mr. de Young, and that he ex- Rocted to be pledged—to give a pledge to is constituents before he ('oo\!d get through the campaign that he wBuld not vote for Mr. de Young. Otherwise I had not any promise from him whatever. Q. He never gave you any promise of any kind? A. None whatever, nor did T ever get a promise from an 'lmd{. The chairman—Did Mr. Green, with your knowledge and consent, at any time spend any of your money with the understand- ing that a pledge or promise or under- Stnnflln? should be entered into with any of the legislative candidates for the As- sembly or the Senate? That In_consider- ation of that money they should vote for you as United States Senator? A. No, sir, Q. Did you ever instruct Mr. Green other than your instructions that his ex- penditures should be legitimate, that he should not pledge any person to vote for you to whom he gave financial aid in your race? A. No, T never did. Q. Well, that is for the purnose of get- ting at the force of your instructions to Mr. Green. Would 1}'0\) consider it, Mr. Grant, as bein, illegitimate for Mr. Green to expend your money in such a way as to obtain from the persons whom he "assisted with it a pledge to vote for you as United States Senator, if they were elected? A. Yes, sir. Q. And then, when you instructed him that the expenditures of your money should be legitimate you meant to in- clude the fact that he should not seek’| pledges by the use of your money? . Yes, sir. Mr. Burnett—Did you instruct him to pledier Bn}' candidate for you? A. No; 1 did not. T instructed him to use only legitimate means in my cam- paign. Q. What do you mean by legitimate means? A. Well, this case that I speak of, where this gentleman went about the State mak- ing Republican talks. I think that was Per!eclly legitimate. T think it would be egitimate to pay the hack hire of an As- semblyman to take him about on his cam- paign to make speeches. 1 do not know that T ever figured out just what was le- timate, but I certainly would not think t was legitimate to pledge a man in re- turn for any favor I granted him. Q. If T remember Mr. Green’s testimony correctly, he testified that when he hand- ed you—that you were in his office at San Francisco when he received this letter from Mr. Wright asking for a loan of $750; that he handed the letter to you and said that it was all right, whereupon you drew your check for $750. That is Mr. Green's testimony. A. Well, that is what I testified to ex- actly, except I did not remember. whether it was the same day or the next day that he told me that was all right. Q. The question that I want to ask hera is what you understood by “All right,” when Mr. Green said that was all right. ‘What did you understand? What did that convey to you? A. Well, it was perfectly safe to lend the man the money—Mr. Wright-I had seen him a good many times. Of course, I did not know much about his past his- ;9;7}'. but he looked like a man worth 750. Q. How much did your campaign for United States Senator cost you, Mr. Grant? / A. I have not figured it out. Q. Well, in what way did you advance the money to your agent? A. By checks. Q. On what bank? A. Well, on the First National, I think, in_San Diego. Q. Well, between what days? Did you advance him money in any other wiy ex- ceKt by checks on_the First National? . I think one day I drew a check on the First National and got the money myself and handed it to him, but it was a check on the First National. That was a check for $200. ' Q. Was that the only check you drew in that way? A. It is the only one I recall; yes. Q. Can you tell the committee approxi- mately how much money you advanced Mr. Green? A. No; I cannot. Q. When do you expect Mr. Green to re- port to you? A. As soon as ever this campaign is over; as soon as ever a Senator is elected and he will have a chance to rest up a little_bit. Q. Your bank account, I suppose, would show_the amount that you advanced to Mr. Green, would it not & e, “dia a . Well, you advance any money to any other agent, say Mr. Brown? . T never advanced any money at all, except to or through Mr. Green. I never gave Mr. Brown any checks. . Did you keep ?ress copies of your letiers to Mr. Green 0. Q. Did you preserve any of Mr. Green’s letters to you? A. Yes, probably did. Q. '}»lu\'e you got them at the present Y27 tnink 2 nk so. Q. Will you produce them to this com- mittee? mAA I will have to go to San Diego to get em. The chairman—Do those letters that you speak of speak of the manner In which he shall use the money? A. No, they do not. Q. Did they have any reference to any Senator or Assemblyman as to how they are expected to vofe by reason of their having been financially assisted? A. Not at all. Q. To pledge any Assemblyman or Sena- tor to vote for you upon any other ground than the reasons of your fitness for the United States Senatorship? A. I have never asked anybody to pledge any member of either house on my ac- count whatever. Mr, Burnett—Did Mr. Green ever sub- mit fo you a list of members of the Leg- isiature whom he expected, or whom he said, were pledged to vote for you? TA. sir. Mr. Mellick—DId Mr. Brown? A. No, sir, s g %r an l‘body else? . No, sir. Q. Did you see a egf"ed list that pur- ported to be ;:y legislators that were pledged to you A. 1 did not; no. Mr. Burnett—Well, we would like to know, Mr. Grant, how much money you have expended in this campaign? A. Well, you will have to give me a chance to find out, then. The Chairman—I really think, as a mat- ter of fact, gentlemen of the committee, that the scope of our inquiry ought to be limited in that respect to such money has been expended to_influence the vot of the legislators for United States Sena- tor; whether it be Mr. Grant or any other candidate—simply because if we do not do | that we go into a limitless field of specu- lation that will take up the time and money_of the State and the time of our- selves that should be used in looking after legislation that we desire, and without any profit; and it seems to me that we ought to confine our examination to that line of inquiry. Mr. Burnett—Mr. Green was your polit- ical manager, was he not? A. Yes, sir. Q Managed your campaign for the t?\“ey(‘l States Senate. . Yes. es. Q. And the money you advanced to Mr. Green was advanced to him for the pur- pose of advancing your interests in that direction? A. Advancing my interests in any way that he thought was perfectly proper and right. ir. Sanford—What did Green receive for his services? A. Nothing whatever. | Mr. La Baree—Mr. Grant, you spoke of putting some money into the Republican committee — I think in Los Angeles county. A. San Diego County. Q. Was that exclusively for Governor Gage, the head of the ticket, or was it for the legislative ticket as well? A. Well, I subscribed so much to the general fund of the committee—to the treasurer of the County Committee—and when the campaign was over they com- f]ain?d that the State Central Committee had not given them any assistance, and that they were still in debt, and I made good whatever was over. The. chairman—Do you remember how much that was? A. It on.v amounted to $450. Mr. Burnett—You have no idea how much you advanced to Mr. Green. Was it $10,000? A. Yes, sir. Q. Was it $20,0007 A. I will say so. Q. Was it as much as_$30,000? A. Well, T would rather—I don't what interest it is to you. Q. Well, it is of considerable interest to the State of California. see A. I would rather find out what the | ou Know. certainly be amount was and let Q. Well, that woul proper_course. r. Lardner—Was Mr. Green to have any position if he were successful in his efforts? A. None whatever. He made no request. Mr. Burnett—One reason why ask these questions is: Mr. Green refuses to state what he did with the money. We have asked him that quesiion and he has refused to state. A. T think he said he refused to state, because he did not care to mention names of gentlemen in this connection. It is a matter of honor with him not to give away things that were known to him con- fidentially. S It the money was expended legiti- mately I see no reason why he should refuse to. A. It certainly has hurt me to have my name connected with this investigating commiftee. Q. Well, that is not the fault of the in- vestigating committee. A. Well, in certain particulars, Q. Every man in filing his statement, or making a statement as to his expenses for making a canvass—every man on this in- vestigation committee, and every man that is elected to any office in this State or who is defeated for any office of this State, is required by law to flle a state- ment of expenses, from Governor down and he does not consider it any disgrace whatever. And the inquiry we have made in regard to the election of United States Senator I think is perfectly proper as to his expenses. And all we asked in refer- ence to those expenses was whether they were_ legitimate or not, and I have asked this question for the simple reason that the amount_of money that has been ad- vanced by Mr. Grant cannot be traced. ‘We do not know where it went, or how it was used. The chairman—I do not remember, Mr. ‘Burnett, that the purity of election law says anything about United States Sena- the tor. Mr. Burnett—No, I say everybody but United States Senator. It is considered perfectly honorable for the Governor to file a statement and to make it public what he has expended, and there is no reason_why it should be dishonorable for a candidate for 'Jnited States Senator, even if he expended $40,000; if he ex- pends it legitimately it is all right. The witness—These are sort of pre- liminary expenses that you are inquiring into now? Mr. Burnett—Well, the campaign, as I understand it. Mr. Sanford—Are you willing to say what Mr. Green s to get for his work? You say that Mr. Green has worked for what . there for him to do that? Mellick—1 hardly think that s a | fair question. | nothing? What jyromise of patrgnage oF | ness—I tel you that there is:no | Promise of that sort. Mr. Mellick—No matter what he has {r. Green; that would not make any rence 1o us. The chairman—Yoa would consider that would be perfectly legitimate that it Mr. Green should be properly recompensed for his service Mr. Sanford—Certainly. The chairman—Well, then, that does not gnter into the scope of our inquiry after Mr. Mellick—I want to ask Mr. Grant a question. Mr. Grant, you have been charged with knifing the State ticket in | the interests of legisative candidates. { What have you got t0 say to that? [ o I have to say that that is utterly | £l hat G | ernor Gage knows that knows that I have al- 1 his favor. He has said as it w ossible that some of the done things that you did | not know anything about? | _A. Well, the question has been mooted | 0 much that I have heard more or less | talk about it, and I have yet to find one | man who will admit such a thing as that. Q. 8o far as you know, you do not be- | leve it? | A. I do not believe it at all The chairman—There is_one line of in- quiry that I do not think I went.into, and 1 do not remember that any of the mem- bers of the committee. Mr. Grant, have you or any of vour friends at your Sug- gestion, with r »wledge ~or _your | consent, promised any patronage or any money or threatened to withhold any patronage, with the purpose to influence { the vote of any leg] |lature for United States | candidate, yourself or any lator of this Legis- Senator—any other? A. No. They have X | , Mr. Sanford—At the time that you drew | the check of $T5) fop Mr. Wright,f you had thought that Mr. Wright would not have | been favorable to you, would you have drawn the check? | _A. If Mr. Green had advised me to do so | I would have done it. | Q. Are you in the habit of loaning | money promiscuously? | _A. No. I have not been very success- | ful ‘as a_money lender. . If Mr. Wright had not been a can- didate for the Legislature you would have loaned the $750 to him? A. T would if Mr. Green had suggested i yes. The chairman—Mr. Grant, in that con- nection did you understand this §750 r(-i-pA Vright, 1t resented by the check to Mr. | through Mr. Green or otherwise, your opinion that that money was purely a loan A Y entirely so. | Q. Was it made for the purpose of plac- | ing upon Mr. Wright a moral obligation |to vote for you for the United States Senate? A. 1 do not think I thought about it, particularly. I expected there might be such a construction put wpon it. Q. Did you go any further than to that extent? ] A. That is all. I never had a promise from any member of the Assembly or of the Senate. Mr. Mellick—Have you anything to vol- unteer? A. No. The chairman—Is there anything fur- ther? If not Mr. Grant will be excused. JILSON TELLS HIS STORY. Charles B. Jilson, being sworn, testi- | fied as follows: Q. Do know, Mr. Jilson, of any money having been expended on behalf of U. S. Grant Jr. in your district to aid in your election. A. 1 do not. Q. 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