The New York Herald Newspaper, August 8, 1874, Page 3

NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY, AUGUST 8, 1874.-WITH SUPPLEMENT. POLITICAL. The Gubernatorial Campaigns in New York and New Jersey. NEGRO RIOTING IN KENTUCKY. A Brilliant Democratic Vic- tory in Tennessee. NORTH CAROLINA STRONGLY CONSERVATIVE. Nominations in Louisiana, Vir- sinia and Iowa. PINOHBACK RULED OUT. THE EMPIRE STATE. Whe Gubernatorial Contest—Three Par- ties and their Candidates im the Picld— A New Political Biement. ‘The only matter of interest in connection with ‘the coming {all campaign is presented tn the new phase which the contest for Governor has taken of late. Is is now clear that neither Ohtef Justice Church nor either of his associates on the Bench of the Court of Appeals will be entered for the race. ‘The “wish thatis father to the thought,’ however, still feebly holds to the Chief Justice as a yet prob- able candidate. In this those who still cling to the hope that he will allow himself to be put in nomination and that he will be really the standard Dearer of the democracy in the fall are of a cer tainty doomed to disappointment. But no doubt ‘their political loyalty and personal devotion may De put to a yet higher test than their votes for his @lection a8 Governor would embrace. Chief Jus- flee Church has studied well the whole field of politics, commencing with the gubernatorial can- vase in which he has been urged to take first place, Dut declines, to the Presidential contest in 1876, when he will be ready to accept the call of his party as the standard bearer of the democracy of the nation and of all who are really anxious for the overthrow of the third term party, at whatever political sacri- fice this may be effected. The Chief Justice, to put himself in the gubernatorial race, would have te resign his present position even before he could De assured of nia nomination by the Convention, if he desired to return the high gift he received from the people back to their own hands again. His retirement would leave a vacancy in the Chief Justiceship of the Vourt of Appeals, which, if oc- curring one day less than the required three months provided by law before general election at which the people could vote for his successor, would leave the appointment to that nigh office in the hands of Governor Dix, a consummation the democratic party of the State would most de- voutly guard against. On the other hand, the political straw indicates that everything will be in favor of @HUROH AS THE NOMINEE OF THE NATIONAL DR- MOCRACY for President in the next great national cam- paign, certain, at all events, of being the nominee of the delegation of this State, and, awaiting which, he is wiliing to leave the gubernatorial con- test to others. He has his favorite, however, for the race, and SAMUEL J. TILDEN 13 THE MAN, In Tammany circles this significant fact is ad- mitted, and to this extent Mr. len rules the roast, ‘The magnates of the party, accepting Chief Justice Church’s view of the whole situa- tion, are a unit for him. Ex-Governor Seymour, Judge Kernan, Tammany itself, and a majority of the present State Senators, with the great boay of the rural democracy, look upon Tilden’s nomina- tion at the State Convention as a foregone conclu- sion. This, however, is no present bar to the con- sideration of the claims of other’ aspirants or of those whom friends in the coming Convention might delight to honor by & nomination. The game rule which applies to Chief Justice Ohureh, go far as the interests involved in a resignation go, applies to Judge Allen and Judge Grover, ‘whose names have also been mentioned and quall- fications canvassed in connection with the can- @idacy for Governor. The balance of power or the maintenance of the present political status on the Bench of the Court of Appeals is of too weighty consideration to the party to be lightly disturbed at this time, and it may be, therefore, conceded that Governor Dix’s opponent will not be taken from tne Bench. Clarkson N. Potter, member of Congress from ‘Westchester cate has a leading preference from this end of the State, and whicd could easily be made to extend into other districts. Snould the Convention be Lrg ire ot! in their choice Mr. Potter would not object toa nomination and to @no-surrender fight with Dix to the last ballot if the Convention would accept him as their stand- ard bearer; but he yields to party expediency and declares himself for Tilden, and pledges himsell to take the delegation of the district to the Conven- ‘tion for him. State Senator John Ganson, of Breach ERT es senting Erie county, and a director of the ‘way, is the present candidate of the weatern sec- tion’of the state, and will command the unani- . Mous vote of the delegation hailing from that juarter. * Judge Hand, of Essex county, will have some of the delegations of the northeastern section of the State, as will Judge Beach, from the central coun- THE LIBERAL REPUBLICANS are determined to take the field with Henry R, laden as their standard bearer for Governor. ey are open to compromise, however, with the democrats on the basis of an arrangement by ‘Which the léaders would secore for their favorite the second place on the ticket, Lieutenant Gover- mor. There will be two democratic delegates ebosen from each Assembly district, and one liberal republican delegate, which together will make a body of some 874 delegates. What iurther concessions will be made to the liberals on the ticket is not yet indicated, but it seems the party only claim a recognition for the Cincinnati piat- form, or its equivalent, on glittering generalities, to make them lock shields in opposition to Dix. ‘This, it is supposed, would counteract the Indiana Tepudis*on resolutions, secure triumph of the democrats in this State, decide the policy of tne party inevitably for the next National Convention, and in all probability be the means of securing aB the next democratic Presidential candidate a Citizen of this State. THE REGULAR REPUBLICANS have fixed their Gonvention for the last week in September. The pe at present greatly exer- d as to the action to be then taken. One thing certain, that every effort will be made to throw Dix overboard and to nominate in his stead judge Robertson. The administrationists per se Sear his Presidential aspirings, and will bring them to naught if ier can do it without sacrificing the Btate. The anti-third-term republicans are also bitterly opposed to him, and will join inthe Con- YVention in defeating him if the party should con- clade that they can make as good a fight under the feceranp of Judge Robertson, who is tue iavor+ te, as against Dix. THE ,GRANGERS, An unknown quantity is introduced in the cal Sulations of ties this year bs the vague and threatening shadow cast across the political hor- (gon by the r element, An organization of this new political sect has been formed in the in- terior of the State of no mean strength and pro- Reto ana Governor Dix, a8 an ex-president of rie and in view of his $60,000 Crédit Mobilier ion Pacific transaction, presents a vulnerable ee to the attack of these levellers of monopo- nes and foes of high tariffs. The Governor has Sven more to jear irom these + but the ‘ance men. He pold water on the ardor of pine of the granger will, if roused in opposition, Jound to be irrepressible. And just-here comes in Tilden’s strength, if opposed to Dix. The for- can present an irresistible appeal he angers. Mr. Th- of the ‘State con- constitution of 1846, rs he ho] 6 latt to throw den eter Cn in the legislation the grangere are contendin, for in the Went, in the * potter law” of Wiscom sin. This one fact alone will give the democratic candidate an immense advantage over his repab- ican ment, should the grangers desire to ac- complish their object in this State to the extent bf having in the person of the Chief Magistrate one who in the past was an advocate of their Special legislation. How far the grange! ment will be made effective this year set to be mean Pas ett i a ore to manifest an unex- len’ as! Ttans ot the Intarior of the ate eee iscussion and speculation on the gu question has this extept, no Tore. ""the lasting je Rail- | pomticians are scattered Jor vne time being; the only known nocteus of any pretensions in that line tg to at Long Bran the oracles ; there are as close as the clams that are thrown upon the beach at high tide, NEW JERSEY. ———— Opening the “Clashmaclaver”—A Repub- Mean “Call” and a Democratic ‘Ad- dress*—Gubernatorial Pipelaying and Prospecting. ‘The New Jersey political pot has fairly began to bubble, if not to boll. Tuesday, after consider- able delay, unaccountable to those outside the charmed circle of the initiated, the Republican State Executive Committee issued their call for a State Convention, to be held at Trenton on August 21, the chief business of which will be to select a candidate for Governor. The democracy have not tsened any call yet, but it is understood their con- vention will be held September 16, just two full weeks after that of the opposition. Meanwhile, through their spology for s State Ex- ecutive Committee, they have issued an “Address” to the “democracy and conserva- tive electors’ of the State, which, thua far, seems to have fallen as fat as stale lager and to have excited feelings only of con- tempt. Itis pronounced by leading democrats as ‘immeasurably weak ‘when there were such splendid opportunities for putting forth something ‘unusually strong.” Ite issuance only swells th demand for a thorough reconstruction of the com- mittee when the convention takes place, Meal THE MAIN QUESTION just now is, “Whom will the republicans nominate for Governor?’ It is now only about three wee! from the day of the convention, and every r interest on the subject increases, Of one thing the party managers are convinced and that is this, that they will be compelled to trot out their very best horse. No second rate back will win the race in prospective. IN THE DEMOCRATIO BANKS there is much confusion also, that is sree those Who assume to be its leaders and to hold its des- Sotocracy: aa by the Teputicens, shat this in MOCTACY, 88 6 time for ‘success with first olass candidates and first class candidates only. For the roatorial prize there are alfa dozen Richm in the field, THE NORTH CAROLINA VICTORY. The State Strongly Democratic—Large Gains in the Election. RaugiaH, August 7, 1874, Large democratic gams are reported from every section, Wake county has gone democratic by & gain of some 600 votes. The State has gone largely democratic, with almost a certainty of seven oat of the eight Congressional districts. the Le; ture will be'largely democratic, There great rejoicing and much enthusiasm mong the conservatives. Business is geperally suspended, every one being eager to ol the latest news, The Democratic Majority Between 10,000 and 20,000—A Gain of Twenty in the Legislature—Great Rejoicings. BALEIGH, N, C., August 7, 1874. Democratic gains are reported from every por- tion of the State. The State 1s democratic by from 10,000 to 20,000 majority. Seven democratic Congressmen out of eight have been elected. abere is a democratic gain of some twenty m the lature, ere has been great rejoicing in the ctty, pub- Hie speaking in the streets throughout the day and the booming of cannon. Wake county is m0- cratic for the first time in fourteen years. THE KENTUCKY CONTEST. A Negro Election Riot—The Ringleader Killed—Fears of a General Collision Between Whites and Blacks. LovIsvILLE, August 7, 1874, The town of Shepherdaville, Bullitt county, was the scene of great excitement on Tuesday last. It appears that on election day the friends of Car- penter, the republican candidate for County Judge, distrivuted whiskey by the bucketiul to the negroes at the polls. There was much drunkenness mong them, and a difficulty arising between them and a white man, a large number of the negroes pursued him to @ hotel; but he got out by the back ‘Way and escaped. culty between the negroes and a Frenchman, he shot and killed the ringleader of the drunken mob, The infuriated negroes pursued him and he also took bg im the hotel. Tne negroes then sur- rounded it, and with drawn pistols demanded his surrender. Meanwhile the white peopie collected, and danger of a blooay collision was imminent, The negroes finally dispersed, But during Wednes- qay and yester ay the whites irom the sur- rounding country have been coming into town, end great fears are expressed that a collision be- tween the whites and blacks may yet occur. THE TENNESSEE ELECTION. The Conservative Victory Greater than At First Reported. 4 Mempnis, August 7, 1874. ‘The conservative victory of yesterday is much larger than was supposed by the most sanguine partisans, the conservatives having carried every ward in the city except the Fifth, which only gave majority of 29 for the republicans. The conser- yative majority in the city is 8,593, and the tota; Yote over 10,000, or about 2,000 more than the or. dinary vote. This is accounted for on the ground of the hostility to the Civil Rights bill and mixed schools, and business seemed almost entirely sus- pended—all went to the polls. The conservative majority in this county will be over 4,000, The Victory as Viewed at Nashville. NASHVILLE, August 7, 1874 Every ward and all the districts in this city ex- cept the Thirteenth and Twentieth have made oficial returns. The regular democratic ticket is elected by majorities ranging from 2,000 to 3,000." dudge Cooper, for Chancellor, has 3,250 over Brien, and over Brien and McOlain together, 932, The two districts to be heard irom will not change the result either way over 100. The result thronghout the State, as far as neard from,,is that the democrats have swept the State and elected their candidates in every county. Knox county goes democratic by from 300 to 900 majority. Rioting at Someryille—Two Men Killed and the Negroes in Arms—Troops Sent to the Scene—Further Returns. +Mewruis, Tenn., August 7, 1874. A despatch was received here to-night from Somerville, Tenn., saying:— We are in the midstof ariot. Two men killed gbout one o’clock, and negroes are marching into town from the surrounding country, Send us 300 armed men. The despatch causes intense excitement, anda great crowd is collected around the telegraph Office in quest o1 views; but there being no tele- graph office nearer Somerville than Moscow, thir- 0 miles distant, nothing further can be learned. Portions of two militia companies and a number of volunteers leave by @ special train at eight o'clock P. M. for Somerville, - THE RETURNS, Reports from Tipton, Fayette, Henderson and peek state that those counties have gone dem- ocratio. In Brownsville district Livingston (democrat) + was elected Chancellor by 4,000 majority. Great Rejoicing Over the Anti-Civil Rights Triumph. KNOXVILLE, August 7, 1874, ‘The election in Knoxville and throughout Knox county yesterday was the most exciting for many years, Horace Maynard made two speeches dur- ing the canvass, indorsing the Civil Rights bill as @ party measure, Senator Brownlow was. oreo hostile to the bill, which he termed tne sum of vil- lJanies and quintessence of abominations. The re- gult of the election was a complete revolution th thout the city and county, with sweeping majorities for the conservative, anti-civil rights ticket, .The city was wild with joy last night and the country people are crowding into the town to- day rejoicing over the unexam;| victory. THE LOUISIANA REPUBLICANS. The Convention More Harmonious— Pinchback’s Friends Excladed—Dar. rall Renominated for Congress. New ORLEANS, August 7, 1874. In the Republtean State Convention matters have quieted down, and none but delegates are admitted into the State House except by tickets. ‘This action will doubtless exclude every one of Mr. Pinchback’s friends. The cancus action last night indicates that the Convention will get through most of its business to-day, although it ‘Will not get at work until noon. The delegates irom the Third Congressional dis- trict met this morning and renominated the Hon. o. B. ‘all for Congress, for his tourth term, by acclamation. This ia one of the strongest repubil- can districts. Mr. Darrall was returned by both boards at the last gjection, The disorder continued next Ly pesr? in a dim- | -| elected again. THE THIRD TERM. How the Leading Idea Is Viewed in the Old Dominion. MOSBY AND KEMPER IN LEAGUE, The Famous Compact of Last Win- ter and What It Was. THE SECOND PLACE IN "76, RICHMOND, August 6, 1874. ‘The Long Branch letter in the HERALD purport- ing to give General Grant’s aspirations to a third Presidential term, which was publisbed in one of the Dapers here in the shape of a special despatch from ‘Washington, created quite a startling sensation, though that subject had for some time pre- viously been the chief political topio of disenssion. Now it is in everybody's mouth, and it takes precedence of all local political fasues, and by the remarkable interest evinced in it indicates that the Southern people are only too eager to grasp at anytning that promises a perma- nent relief from the evils by which they are sur- rounded and a sure delivery from the dangers by which they are threatened. I have spoken to a mumber of leading politicians to ascertain tneir Views as to the possibilty of this third term, and 1 have yet to find the one who seriously objects to it, on the condition that General Grant will ‘Veto the Civil Rights bill, should that instrument, which is considered so dangerous to the social happiness of the Southern people, ever be passed, ‘This plank alone in his third term platform insures him, it is believed, the almost unanimous support of the South. One gentleman, a Virginia politi- cian of the old school, to whom 1 addressed my- self, said, with a degree of self-satisfied sagacity :— “My prophetic vision saw all this long ago. I Knew since 72 that it was coming. When Gov- ernor Kemper prociaimed in the platform of the conservative party in 1872 that it would offer no ‘CAPTIOUS HOSTILITY? to the federal administration I smelt & mouse, and I saw in that very expression the basis or groundwork of third term movement in Vir- This was all I could get ont of the old gentleman, but subsequent events seem to fulfil his pradic- tion, That there isa feasible and tangible move- ment of the sort on the soil of the Old Dominion to-day Ihave no more doubt than that General Grant is now serving his second term. But who the movers in the matter are, besides the redoutable Oolonel John 8, Mosby, is the problem which everybody is trying to solve, Some people intimate that it is not Mosby only but Kemper himself who is the champion of the third term, in proof of-which they farther assert that he sought and obtained through Mosby the cele- brated Kemper-Grant interview at Washington last February—that is, that the interview was brought avout at the earnest solicitation of Kem- per, and not Mosby, as is generally supposed. Tais pat quite a new phase upon the Kemper-Mosby- rant. Sptecracerte af true, went far to justify the charge made by some conservative politicians against the Governor that he then offered Grant | the support of his ‘60,000 ex-contederate Virginia braves,” The next thing that we hear of in con- nection with this long talked of compact of the | Governor of the Old Dominion and the national | Executive is that the former aspires to the BECOND PLACE ON THB NATIONAL TIOKET with the latter in 1876, when all unwritten laws and established Presidential precedents are, ac- | cording to the ravens, to be trampled under foot | in the inauguration of the third term. There was | no people in the country who had so great a vene- ration for the example set by Wasnington, Jeffer- son and Madison the people of Virginia; but the warswept away 80 many of the usages of the yvernment which were as firmly established fi "the minds’ of the people as the constitution itself, that they now look upon this abolition of tue | last vestige of “unwritten law” with the utmost | | indifference. They would heartily indorse the re- election of General Grant to a third term if they believed the condition of affairs now existing in | South cocina Louisiana, Alabama, and other of the Southern States could be terminatea by it. | As for general amnesty, they care very little about | that now, so Jew remain to be relieved by it. The | day for making that @ great political card 1s past, and Grant is rather censured than otherwise that he neglected to insist upon that measure long ago. A magnanimous universal amnesty soon alter the election of President Grant to his first term would have done more to heal the wounds of the South than any other panacea that could be devised. It must follow soon now as & matter of course, and | the Southern people regard it as avery poor con- cession at this late day, to say the least of it, NOT THE WORST THING FOR THE SOUTH. Meeting another political leader I asked him what he thought of athird term for Grant. He | gaid—“We vo not think the election of General Grant fora third term would be the worst thing | that could be ae Jor the South. ‘fhe election oi such men as B. F. Butler, Senators Morton, Logan, Conkling, Skerman, Carpenter or Cameron, or any of that set, would be infinitely worse, aud there- fore we prefer Grant to any other republican. Ifany Of these were elected to the Presidency, that event would be foliowed by the enactment of laws as destructive of the constitution and as oppressive | of the South as any that have been enacted or are | likely to be enacted should General Grant be re- Grant has, it must be admitted, { shown a good deal of kindly feeling toward tne South, and his last refusal to send troops to Vicks- burg gives us the assurance that he is disposed to at least abield us trom further oppression and in- ity in the future.’? “What would be the effect of his re-election on - the Northern people ?” 1 asked. “That We care very little about; but it could be no worse than that of any of the men I have just named, With regard to the third term, as in all other matters, the Southern people would look to tneir own interests. The Northern people latterly have id very little for theira, The Southern people are not much interested in politics, and they do not care whether a man is elected three, | five or fifteen times, if their condition is likly to be improved by it. By all means the South will go for Grant for a third term.” 1 The only politician of note that I find bitterly hostiie to Genergi Grant, strange to say, is ex- Governor Gilbert’U. Walker, now 4 candidate ior Congress from this, the metropolitan district of Virginia, While Kemper, @ native to the manor born, 1s supposed to be THB LEADER OF THE THIRD TERM MOVEMENT here, Walker, a New Yorker, is its strongest op- ponent, and Walker is to-day the most popular man in the State. His influence, however, will have but little effect against ae third term move- ment when that becomes @n issue, and for the best of reasons with the Virginians. ‘alker, in one of his messages to the Legisiat opposed the the James River and Kanawha Canal yy federal aid. Grant, on the other hand, is‘said to favor the completion of that it water line by an appropriation from the Uniti States govern- ment. This alone will insure him the vote otevery citizen in the two Virginias, notwithstanding Walker’s opposition. It ia more than likely that Governor Walker will chai nis mind on the subject of the canal before he ts elected in November. To the impartial observer it is vividly apparent that the ‘d term movement in the South hes already assumed A WELL DEFINED FORM, and it 1s not confined, as was recently stated in letter to a New York paper from this city, toa few politicians and a few political news- apers. The two great political parties are rapidly Qinntegraticg, and. by the time that the next Presidential campaign will been commenced, a new party, it is bere believed, will be formed in the South, with Grant for a third term and a pla form embodying the political Cte 0 and social regeneration of the Southern people for ita basis. will be foreshadowed in the Con- ressional elections this fall, as the Civil Rights ur issue will inevitably defeat a majority of the republican candidates, and will necessarily result in the formation of a new party by 1876, ASPIRATIONS OF HENDRIOKS, I am credibly informed to-day that a meeting of Northern and ithern democratic politicians will be held the coming weék at the White Sulphur Springs under the easeranip ond in the interess of Governor Hendricks, of Indians, who is now, with a number of others, already there. The ques- tions to be discussed will have reference to the next Presidential cam) Hendricks being an | democratic nomination. It will aspirant for ti be recollected that he recently planted himself on the repudiation platform of Pendleton in 1872, and it is believed this meeting is called to bring the Southern States into accord withthe repadiation- iste of the West. The effort will scarcely succeed, ‘ag the Southern politicians are shrewd to form ~~ that cannot mater benefit them- ves. A WARNING FROM GRANT. The New Commandment—“You Must Stop the Robbery.” Judge T. J. Mackey, one of the most prominent republicans in South Carolina, delivered a speech in York county last week, in the course of which he said :— How shall we check the growth of corruption in our State, familiarly known, not only throughout our own broad land, put in the commercial centres of Europe, as the prostrate State—not @ prostrate State, but the prostrate Statet It is to be checked alone by the nomination of horest men for omce— men honest and capable, republicans, if they can be found, but, any way, honest men. I advocate reform ttrough republican nominations if we can, but against them if we must, Four or five weeks ago I visited Washington, and at the si a Of @ distinguished repub- lican Senator called upon President Grant Hardly had I taken 8 seat before he asked, “What do you mean by such 4 government as you have in South Carolina?” Ireplied, “1 hope you do not mean that I a it in ite eae. “] mean that ali republicans are responaibie, unless it is checked at the ballot box,” replied the President, and while the President speaks of all the great battles he fought, or the most stirring events of the war in which he participated, yet when I talk to him of South Carolina bis apparently pulseless lips quiver, bis veins and his eyes enlarge, and he says, You must stop the robbery!’ As a repub- lican, I regard this as @ field order, and am moy- ing-under it. ‘et how many thousands are unconscious of the crisis? I gay to my republican friends {f corrupt men are nominated for the State and local county vernments our party organization will go down. ‘ne democratic party will carry the State. You May aay they cannot do it; bat you will see that they can, and ti no blood is shea by them they will have the sanction of the general government, We must put forth only good men for office, With an honest Legislature and State officials the pub- Uc fund would be appropriated to ite proper use and we would not see the rulers of the State driv- ing horses covered with gilded harness, their hides ike velvet and better fed than any of the yoters who put them in pists I may mention thas Thad the bonor of wing the platform on which our candidates ran two years ago, but un- Rappily the chief pride of the nominee for Gov- ernor was to break every line of it All true | Tepublicans have repented of the nomunation | of Moses. The name of Moses sounded respect- able, Who does not, even now, venerate the Bame of Moses, the great leader of the Israehtea? Even that Moses broke the tubiet of the Ten Com- mandments, Our Moses resembies him—only in this, that while Moses of old broke the stone, Goy- pe Moses breaks the Ten Commandments them- vi ‘The carpet-bagger proper he characterized as & Fah id to be despised; but said we must be par- ticular in drawing the line of distfnction between the true Northern man who comes among us to make @ permanent home and be a beneiit to the community as well as himself, and the mere po- litical adventurer, who bad only his own interest at heart. The carpet-bagger, in the proper accepta- Sony is the political bazzard—not like the buzzards on the coast and in Charleston, who police the city—but the birds of prey, who scent their repast trom afar, In one particular, which is not barmless- ness, they resemble the wild geese of the icy belt, thas fy down South in the winter to fill their empty craws, and return in the summer. He comes to piunder through eer omMce, and bears the same relation to ti honest emigraut or the man of capital who settles among us as the bummer or camp follower of an army, who moves far on the flank, plundering the dead or preying on the wounded, bears to a soldier of the line; or the same relation as the aquatter on the public tands who remains long enougn to acquire posses- sion of a piece of land, when he sells it and moves on torepeat the transaction, bears to the actual settler. The carpet-bagger is band away, how- ever; and happy for our section will it be should he nat sheet everything elge when he allently steals himself o: Then, warning the republicans of York to be cautious in making nominations for county offi- cers, and to guard against those who were so ex- tremely anxious to become candidates, after thankingehis hearers for their marked attention, the speaker closed by adding that the reform de- manded mus be made not because 1¢ will save the republican party, but because it will be in accord- ance with right and justice and will save tue State. PRESS OPINIONS. Sounds Very Much Like President Grant. (From the New Betiors. ast) Mercury—republi- The Nsw York HERALD has the latest sensa- tion, Itis a letter from a Long Branch corre- | spondent. He discloses the fact that the Presi- dent, expressing himself satisfied that the country | has had enough of the rule of the republican party, | which has fulfilled its mission and outlived its use- fulness, suggests that the liberal republicans Dominate him for athirdterm! He stated (so | Says tl correspondent) that hts adoption as a candidate by the liberals would bring over to his | support the democratic party and ail the Southern © oe This sounds very much like President rant. Not an “Avower.” (From the Portland Press—administration.) The Nsw YORK HERALD thinks it is worth while | to print letter from a Long Branch correspond- ent to the effect that President Grant has had an interview with a liberal republican, in which the {that his visit. was simply ie former avowed his intention of running for the ; sanctum of Mr. Green. MR. HAVEMEYER’S TROUBLES What the City Hall Folk Think ot Them. RUMORS AND FACTS. Opinion of an Ex-Judge of the | Mayor’s Answer. Governor Dix Interviewed by A. H. Green. Start a rumor of the most infinitesimal propor- tloms. around the City Hall, on no matter what subject, and in less time than “Mary’s lamb’? could shake its narrative the rumor files with Ughtning rapidity and gains in proportion as tt is bandied about, and when the originator thereof hears bis own story @ few hours alter the facts are so distorted that it 1s an entirely different version Jrom the original, Lf this is eo with casual ramors persons can imagine how facts are dealt with in the locality of the City Hall. About noon yesterday @ report was current that Comptroller Green had been indicted by the Grand Jury for malfeasance in office or something else. The political loiterers in the corridors of the City Hall at once enlarged upon this rumor, and not long alter it was stated as @ positive fact that Mr. Green was not only indicted but he had alreaay been cited to appear for justification on bail. To make the story more plausible it was stated that B. Delafield Smith, Corporation Counsel, had been seen going into the rooms of the Grand Jury and remained there for some time, Whether there is any truth avout this matter or not, the statement, at all events, created the most extraordinary ex- citement in oficial circles. With many the wish that it were so was father to the thougnt. THE MAYOR'S DILEMMA overshadowed all the small talk about Green, Smith or “any other man,” Who may have been or is going to be indicted, His answer tothe Governor's letter and the charges preferred by John Kelly e¢ at. formed the chief topic of conver- sation in every branch of the city government and with the Rabitués of the Park and environs, The opinions expressed were by no means divided, 80 that the general conclusion arrived at seems to indicate that the charges have not been fully met. AN OPINIOM BY AN EX-JUDGE on this question was given to & HERALD repre- sentative yesterday alternoon. This official gen- tleman thought the fact of the Governor's pub- lishing the Mayor's letter firat in the Albany japers Was &sort of gauntlet thrown down to His lonor to furnish further proof of his innocence, Furthermore, the Judge remarked:—‘In the course of his (the or’s) argument he says ‘I am yet | to be instructed in what way or by what force of law Messrs. Charlick and Gardner were ineli- gible to reappointment. I willingly agree that ad the offence of which they were convicted really involved @ violation of their oaths of office, and I was properly charged with knowledge of that fact, it would have been a very questionable exer- cise of the discretion reposed in me to have reap- pointed them; but such considerations are not | pertinent to the charge that {have committed an illegat act.’ This clause alone is a tacit admission by the Mayor that he Feoppointed men who did and do now stand convicted in tne courts of law. ‘The only thing about the entire matter is that the Mayor does not think that the ex-Commissioners were rightfully convicted. But this is a question | of law, Irom which no appeal has been taken.” GOVERNOR DIX ON THE SITUATION. His Excellency the Governor was espied in the | City Hall Park about eleven o’clock yesterday morning, quietly wending his way to the new Court House. He at once proceeded to the Comptrol- ler’s office, where he was ushered into the private Here they were cioseted | for nearly an hour, and report says that during a@portion of the interview Mr. William A. Bootn was present. At all events Mr. Booth shortly after came in hot haste to the Mayor’s Bureau, and at once hied to the back room ot Mr. Havemeyer’s office. When this gentleman re- appeared he was interrogated by the members of ihe press wnether his visit had any bearing on the case of the Mayor, or ifhe had interceded with the Governor in his behalf. Mr. Booth remarked @friendiy one. “I am third term as an independent antt-republican can- didate on a platform of universal amnesty, civil service reform, opposition to the Civil Kights bill and Mr. Windom’s cheap transportation scheme. | General Grant 1s not much o1 an “avower" as the American people well know. The Movement Too Late. [From the Elmira Gazette—democratic,)} There can no longer be any doubt on the subject of Grant’s aspirations for a third term. Tne tele- graph yesterday brought us some of his recent sayings on the subject, and to-day we have fuller | details. He spoke truly when he said that “the | country had manifestly had enough of the repubit- can party,” bus it is equally true that the country has had enough of the rule of Grant. People have not forgotten his short, comings, when in the full zemth of his power,'| Dis word would have been law upon the | side of right, mercy and justice, They nave not forgotten that at that time he uttered not that word, but rather heiped to perpetrate the wrongs under which the people of the South have so long suffered. His present movement, tuerefore, vo | secure the support of democrats jor a third term, on the ground of kindness to the South or support of the grangers, comes 100 late to be of any avail. ‘This claas of citizens are not ready to encroach upon a custom as sacred as law and as patriotic as it 18 sound in doctrine that in a republic two | terms are quite long enough for any one man to serve in the Presidency. “Toe Late.” [From the Hartiord Times—democratic.} General Grant’s bid for democratic and conser. ative support comes too late. He cannot wipe out his Presidential record of aid and sapport to | the plundering hordes who rue the Southern | States, and democrats are not likely to forget it, The HeRALD’s inteM¥iow with Grant at Long | Branch haa, at least, produced a sensation. The’ fact thatthe deienders of the President find it necessary to publish column-long articles of ex- | planation and defence indicate that there is @ con- | sciousness tiat U. S. G. really may be planning for @ third term. Grant To Beat Grantism. (From the Elizabeth (N. J.) Herald—democratic,) According to the New Yor«K , HERALD’S Long Branch correspondent the President of the United States has already intimated his willingness to run as the candidate of an independent Movement for a third term. It would be a very singular combination of cir- cumstances, indeed, that would lead litical party in this country to make ‘use of rant to beat Grantism. It is the character of the hero and not the hero bimseif thas is on trial. ‘There has naver been a breath from the Executive which indicates that he is not neartily and stab- bornly in accord with the policy which he has represented, and, setting aside the latent treason of the taird term anes le, he could never be the candidate of any but those by whom he has been heretofore supported. But tne plans which bring the South, the liberal republicans “and the demo- crats into the support of Grant for a thira'term harmless as the exhalations of a dream. Grant Is Not an Idiot. [From the Hartford Loot ears repubii-’ can. The informant of the ‘Hgnatp feels very certain thas his information is correct and very important to the republican party, It no doupt is important if true, for it would be an oficial notification to the republican party to prepare to attend its own faneral; but unfortunately also it would bea de-, claration to the democratic party that they need | | Hawkins, but very few other gentlemen of any themselves no further concern about the ampaign of 1876; they would only need to nomin- nate a iair, honest man ani walk over the cours But there is a patent diMculty in accepting language reported as that of Gencral Grant; he is hot an idiot, and uf he did cherish any hope of another term he would not show his hand in such @ bungling Manner, Se aN Washingten’s itxamp! je the Only Safe Rale. [From the Lyons (XN, Y.) Republican—repubitcan.} ‘The question of a third term for President Grant, which was at first scouted pretty generally as an absurdity, has at last taken a shape 60 tangible as to justity at least a protest, The agitation was begun by the New Yorx Henavp, and has been try, becal ton the only rul Safety Ceo the usurpations of # Orsar; and because of this they will rebuke th t to place even General Grant on such & immacié Of power, though knowing him to be in character and aspiration the furthest removed from @ Oisar of any among the illustrious men whom the nation has delighted to honor. 2 seldom down here,” said Mr. Booth, “and I thought T would call and see the Mayor. I did write a let- ter to the Governor a couple of weeks ago in be- half of the Mayor, but I have taken no other action in the matter. I was summoned to-day before the Grand Jurors; bus after waiting half an hour I was told they did not want me. The charges against | Comptroller Green are being investigated, and I | was summoned tO-appear in relation to them, but | they thought they woula do without me, I called on Mr. Green also and had a talk with him | about his case,” “Mr. Booth,” asked she reporter, “do you know , anything of Governor Dix’s decision in the case ot | the Mayor?” “Weil, I don’t want to talk on these matters,” he replied; ‘my visit was simply a iriendly one, and 1 don’t want you to attach any importance whatever to It.’? Subsequently ex-Commissioner Hugh Gardner called on the Mayor, as did also Mr. Dexter A. prominence put in an appesrance, His Honor leit | the office at hall-past four o’clock in the afternoon, which 18 something that seldom happens, On leaving he informed the reporters that the new charges and his answer thereto would be furnished them later in the evening. Among the Wire-Pullers. “Honest Iago,” as Comptroller Green is begin- | ning to be called by the sleuth hounas of the press, | would not bay yesterday, notwithstanding rumor had it that “the dogs of war” were being let loose | upon him, He locked himself in the kennel | of his private office in the New Court House, and all efforts to see him were repulsed. When | the news of fresh indictments against the | watchdog of the City Treasury reached the news- papers reporters were despatched to learn of their truth or falsity ; but, in the majority Of cases, the newsgatherers retired without satisiaction, Mr. Willlam A. Booth, whose name has been darkly mentioned as the | hago whose testimony be- jJore the Grand Jury was said to be damag- ing to the Comptroller, was visited .with- out avail. m Welsh, the County Clerk, who, it was supposed, held some official secrets in his manly bosom, was sought by a reporter; but he had escaped from the city to some rural retreat, in order to recover from the effects of Saratoga water. In bis office Mr. Morton, the Secretary of the Committee of Organization of Tammany Hall, was met; but he also seemed to labor under the general ignorance as to the moves of Messrs. Wingate, Fox, Booth, Fellows é al. in the Comptrolier’s case, and he, too, was left stranded on the shining beach of unbelief upon which 80 many of the city reporters had foun- dered. The Comptroller might well sum up the day with the philosophy of Jack Bunsby, “If so be, | it be,” and He down upon his pur dreaming the dream of Abou-Ben-Adhem—if he can, or Dix on the Situation. His Excellency Governor Dix, last evening, in reply to the questions put to him by @ representa- tive of the HBRALD, stated that he was not pre- pared at this time to give any indication as to what the character of bis decision would be in regard to the various charges pre- ferred against tho Mayor. The answers made by that official he stated, were under consideration by him, but inasmuch as he had come to no definite decision upon the different | points at issue he did not, he said, feel justified in ving any indication whatever as to, what course | e would pursue in th ter. When the proper time arrives, said the hf gggnd and I have deter- mined upon 2 definite action, the public will = be notified, consider at present that my functions the matter are entirel; and feel myself Judicn bound to decide pen the issues presented to me upon the evidence and facts as contained in the documents in my possession, irrespective of any comments that may be made by the pebuc treo I shail give all the material points, as I view the: bere nthe questions involved my best an undivided attention; but at the present moment I am ao Prepared to give any expression whatever as to what my course will be, I cannot say whether! shall render any decision this next week or not, for there’are a Lap hen points to be considered. 80 asl con- clude to - tal jo AL) howe’ Governor, the publio will be fully oe nor Dix also stated tefview with Oomptroiler Green yesterday had no bearing whatever u; munict matters, but related merely to certain bills which had been by the late Legislature upon which he was jesirous of obtaining certain information before afffxing his signatare thereto, ‘No significance should be; therezore, attached to visit to Mr. Green,” said his Exceliency, ‘so far as refers to the Mayor's trouble, as you are pleased to term it." Thanking the Governor for his courteay the Her. ALD representative retired, Interview With Mr, E. E, Thorne. A HERALD reporter called last evening upon Mr, Elwood B&. Thorne, one of the gentlemen who signed the charges against Mayor Havemeyer, % tm one of the large wholesale clothing estabtishd ments on the west side. He was sitting at his d as the reporter entered, busy in the arrangome: of large pile of papers. He received his visiton with the affability of a thorough gentleman and Teady man of business. It required little intro« ductory explanation to make him acquainted with the object of the visit. Mr. Thorne had read the article in yesterday’s HERALD, entitled “The Mayor's Perils,” and he knew at once to what it i+ rag In answer to the reporter’s question “Yes, sir; 1 am one of the of the com- Plaint alluded to in the Perey ork “Can you give me the substance of the charges you therein made against ‘he Mayor?’ “In substance I can, though the details have to some extent passed !rom my mind. The complaint Was signed about the time of the conviction of Police Commissioners Charlick and Gardner, | ahd 80 many things Nave happened since im that connection and my mind has been so tully taxed with other affairs that the minutim of che charge have somewha: passed from my recollection. know it was all true, of my own knowledge, at the time it was drawn. "My attention ‘has been the More withdrawn from it by the fact that If re- ceived no specific notice and was not at once used, asi inferred, because other more forcible | ones is ere made — the Mayor.’* you, a8 one of the signers of that complaint, arraign the Mayor for using thi = bere his persena) advantage roy baba e general charge was that he used ti sition, ae ‘Bot dahon sty, Gervainy with the view 0 Bul 'e and private tate! than for the general good of the city asses: “Was the complaint in reierence tothe pur- chases of the Charity Commissioners or wo the dis- tribution of offices?” “{t was mainly in reference to oMcial appoint. ments and the filling of places im the municipal government.’” “Yon did not believe the best men haa been se- lected to serve the city ? “No, sir, We believed that Mr. Havemeyer had 80 conducted himself that the public interest de- manded he should be replaced by @ man who would fill the position with more fidelity to the trust reposed in rhe Chie! Magistrate of the city.’” “Were the charges based on facts stated of which you were cognizant 1”? “They were occurrences which had come to my, notice, and which I judged unworthy oi the chief officer under our cuarter; but from the turn the matter has taken since I have paid little attention to these specific ch: they being followed so soon by fo whicn complaint was made to Governor Dix. seems to me fully proven that Mr. Havemeyer conducts the affairs of his office in a manner which demands his prompt removal” The New Charges Preferred Against the Mayor and His Answer Thereto. ‘The HERALD of yesterday exclusively announced that new and more damaging charges nad been preferred against Mayor Havempyer, which were signed by three prominent citizens and transmit- ted to the Governof. We are now able to present the text of the same, together with the answer of the Mayor, to the several specifications :— THE CHARGES, To His Excellency Joun A. Dix, Governor of the State of New York Siun—We, the reigned, residents and tax- New York, respectiully ask yers of the ely? of ‘our Bxcelleucy to remove from office William F. Havemeyer, Mayor of the city of New York, on the foliowing grounds, vtz. :— CHARGE.—That William F. Havemeyer, Mayor of the city of New York. has Sronay goused the ap- pointing power, disgraced the hign office which ne now holds and conducted himself in a manner highly injurious to the interests of tne city, thereby bringing himself and his nigh ofice into great pub- lic contempt. peotpoalion 1.—That William F, Havemeyer, while Mayor of the City of New York, did appoini ana insist upon the retention in office of men without character and whose reputations were well known to be of a kind which should have pre- vented them trom receiving any appointment of power or trust at the hands of the: Executive. tion 2,—That said William F, Havemeyer, while Mayor of the city of New York, did, prior to the appointment oi certain persons as Commis- sfoners of the Board of Police of the Police Depart- ment of the city of New York, improperly attemps to control the free action of said Commissioners, aod to usurp the functions of said Commissioners by exacting, or attempting to exact, certain pledges as to the appointment, or retaining in Office, of one George W. Matsell as Superintendents of Police, and other pledges as to their oMcal con- duct, 8.—That it being brought to his no- tice thas certain oficial delinquencies of omission and commission haa occurred in the Boara of Charities and Correction, and in the Board of Po- lice, of the city of New York, he failed to institute and take action thereon. ELLWOOD E. THORNE, 133 Weat Twenty-second street. B.A. BURI 44 East Thirty-fourth street. G. L. SHEARE 117 East Fifty-fourth street. THE REPLY. To His Excellency JouN A. Dix, Governor of the State of New York :— The undersigned, Mayor of the city of New York, for auswer to toe charge and specifications and mis- conduct made against him vy Elwood EK. Thorne, H. A. Burr and G. L, Shearer, says that he is not guilty of the same or of eitner or any part thereof. And he further says, that inasmuch as the first specification does not name any of the individnais of supposed unfitness for public office whom he is charged’ with appointing to, or retaiming in, office, such specification cannot be further answered than by a general denial, and. he respectfully sub- pe joes NOt Merit serious attention from the soverni And he farther says, touching the matters alleged in the second specification, that while tne same are not true as therein alleged, he has, whea about to appoint certain persons as Commissioners of Police in said city, conierred with them in re- | Sect to the proper administration of the Police Department and their views in relation thereto; ‘and has stated to them, among other tings, nis own high estimate of the merits of George W. Mat- sell as @ Superintendent of Police, and his own strong Wish that he should fiil that office: and he supposes that such expression of his views and | wishes Was not withont efect. And the under- signed conceives that by tis action in this par- ticular he has rendered a very valuable service to | the people of the city of New York. And by way of further explaining the reasons for his aforesaid conduct he further says that twice before he has had the honor o/ holding his present. | office, and, during those terms, devoted much of his attention to the estabiishment o1 an efficient and honest policy for this city, and with what he conceives to be a large measure of success; that in these efforts he was ee Maran and strength- ened by the said George W. Matseli; and that he thus came to a knowledge of the superior qualiti- | cavions of that officer, whom he had appointea to the place of Superintendent of Palice, and which he continued to hold for the period of twelve years, with high credit to mmself and eminent advantage to the people of this city. That when the undersigned was called upon, during his present term of office, to nominate suitable persons as Police Commissioners, he be- Meved the administration of tne Police Departme: to be under the corrupting and demoralizing in- fluence of many and great abuses, which needed to be corrected with a firm and vigorous hand, and that George W. Matsell possessed, in an eminent de- Tee, the capacity to so deal with them. The un- jersigned believed that the fruits of his knowledge and experience in this branch of municipal gov- ernment were of value, and that it was his duty to give the benefit of them to those whom he wag’ about/to call into this branch of the municipal service. says, touching the matter And he further alleged in the third specification, thatit 1s destitute of foundation, inasmuch as in the only instance in which any compla:nt has b@en brought to his notice of any alleged official delinquencies in the Board’ of Charities and Correction the undersigned aken action in respect thereto and made in- vestigation thereof and found the same not sup- ported by the facts, @ report of which has been submitted to the Governor. And for further answer the undersigned respect- fully refers to the more extended communication recentiy made by him to His Excellency the Gov- ernor in respect to other charges against his official conduct. W. F, HAVEMEYBR, MUNIOIPAL MATTERS, A meeting of the Sinking Fund Commission ‘was held yesterday afternoon at the Comptroller's office, at which all the members except Alderman ‘Van Schaick (who is absent in Europe) were pres- ent. On motion the Clerk was directed to correct, an Tas om forage corparesian property cor- ner of Bayard an ge streets. The Commissioners, on motion of the Comptrol- Jer, also decided to extend the time for the pay- ment of the bond and mortgage, a ine. $72,000, now held by the city Mrs. Acker- man as security for, property, ‘two years longer, she baving always paid the interest ‘thereon regu- Yew other untmportant matters were acted upon, after which the Board adjourned, DEATH FROM A DRUNKEN SOUFFLE, Coroner Woltman held an inquest yesterday in the case of Joseph Reed, a brassmouider, of No, 111 Second street, Williamsburg, who was milled August 1, at the drinking saloon of Henry L. My- ers, No, 228 Pearl street, a Lenten 3 it appears that had buai- ness for himself, had iost money, and recently had given Way to despondency and drink, Woile it was rau ng ast Rebariad bo with several others, was at rs Saloon dr and reid became intoxicated and relsome. An alterca- on arose about drinks vetween him and a men named Butler. The two clinched: both fell, Butier being below. They rose, Reed then fell again, striking bis head inst the in- ter. He was soon after cartied to the sidewalk, by the police and found to be aead. Dr. Shay Deputy Coroner, who made an autopsy, wae opinion that death occurred trom fracture of t! skull, occasioning concussion of the brain. jury rendered a Verdict in accordance with ‘above facts and exonerating Butler irom blame. Coroner Woltman, therefore, discharged him irom That gentieman was found at bis place of business, | arrest,