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GREELEY AND THE GRUMBLERS, A Frightfol Mare’s Nest Discovered in Broome County. —_—-—— Horace Creeley an Awful Copperhead. ——-« & Wild Goose Chase After a Tame and | Harmless Political Canard. The Fun and Foily of a Big Bugaboo. Ur. Carmichael and His Terrible Correspondence | and Something About Rebel Debts. COOL AND SHADY INTERVIEWS Objections of the Philosepher to Talk on Poli- tics—Farmers in a Ferment—Utier Reck- loaeness of the Partisan Press—Some- thing of a Farm and Very Proper Reflections on Things in General. ° Unaprina, N.Y. Jary 25, 1 Acting under instructions, a representative of the HERALD was despatched to Unadilla, Otsego county, to learn as much as posstile relative to. a correspondence alleged to have taken place be- tween Horace Greeley and leading democrats of the State of New York prior to the meeting of the Cincinnati Convention, The accusation or state- ment, that for the first time appeared in a Broome county paper, attracted the attention of several metropolitan journals, and after many demands that the facts should be stated, if facts or corre- spondence existed, an article appeared Friday last in the local print mentioned giving what pretended to be particulars, This urticle, copied into a New York partisan paper, was again reproduced in that paper the following day, Mr. Lewis Carmichael is put forward to play the principal part in the ridi- culous canard, and gets the credit in sources he abhors of originating the correspondence that finally brought about, it is attempted to show, Mr. Greeley’s nomination for the Presidency. The Tepresentative of the HERALD sought and found Mr. Garmichael at his farm, near Unadilla, three hundred miles away, and it will be seen by what follows how unfounded end even malignant the story in question given to the public turns out to be in every important particular. POLITICS IN THE INTERIOR OF NEW YORK. For the last ten years Otsego county has been equally divided as to the political opinions of its voters, It contains 50,000 inhabitants and there are twenty-four towns, the county seat being Cooperstown, named after James Fennemore Cooper, the novelist. The republicans were suc- cessful last November, but the pest informed per- sons predict confidently that Greeley will carry the county by at least two thousand majority, The representative of the HERALD, in conversation with men of both parties, found that the defection in the republican ranks, men who refuse to support Grant and now advocate Greeley’s election, is very large; and this feeling, he was assured, extended to the adjoining counties of Delaware, Chenango, Scho- harie and Herkimer, It would hardly be credited to learn how emphatic and general is the senti- ment of the people in favor of Greeley, or to imagine how deep is the feeling among the Tepublican farmers against Grant, who, in their opinion, has neutralized all his former services by keeping unnecessarily the wounds of the war open in the South for his own personal behoof, and turn- ing the great ofiice of the Presidency into an Instru- ment, as they think, for filling his pockets and pro- viding for unworthy relatives, One old farmer from Delaware county in conversation stated:— “I have read the 7rtbune for years, since I reached Manhood, Greeley is my man, and nothing would persuade me that he is otherwise than eminent and honest. I liked Grant once, but there is no com- Parison between him and Uncle Horace. I am sick of reading of the Dents, jockeys and gifts.” Much stronger views were expressed by republicans, but enough is here given to show the drift of opinion among republicans in the interior of New York. MR. LEWIS CARMICHAEL, Mr. Lewis Carmichael, who has been brought into a rather prominent position in the political arena, is@ very plainman. He is over fity years old, a widower, without children, and is’ gen- eraily called Luke by his neighbors, born in Otsego county, of united lrish aud German parentage, he has lived there all his life, and for PeRny yeas past has been, it is the simple village belief, a careful observer of public events. Mr, Carmichael is, per- haps, about five feet six inches high, or it may be a fraction less. He 18 strongly built, ond has a de- cided stoop. His face is tree from whiskers of any kind, aud there 1s not atrace of gray to be observed in his head. But this does not indicate youth— time has laid a heavy hand upon the genlieman, The habit of looking towards earth has tended to lessen the brightness of an open countenance that at once ‘conveys an idea of intelii- rence and suspicion. Mr. Carmichael improves fh conversation, Among his fellow townsmen opinions ditler as to his mental capacity. Piain, sententious and careful in language, he enlarges: with a certain degree of effect on some political topic in which he takes an interest. There can be hardly any doubt as to his honesty of purpose, though he would at times strike a person as not deing altogether frank or free from shuttling. Per- haps knowing that he was in correspondence with the great and best men of the country, he became inclined to vaunt over his importance and spoke indiscreetly to his neighbors; and. among them, as intimated, some think him a far-seeing and well in- formed politician, and others regard him as eccen- tric, shallow and even visionary, Carmichael, as far as our representative could see, 1s not over- burdened with wordly goods, though in passing through the village in his company a man hailed him at a distance, when Carmichael stopped and he promptly paid the toiler for certain work performed that day on his farm. Seeming eccentricity, cun- ning, reserve aud general reticence are not common combinations in town or country. A COUNTRY EDITOR TRIES TO BECOME FAMOUS, Returning to Unadilla, which was forgotten to be mentioned belore, the writer fortunately met Mr, Carmichael on the road, He (Mr. Carmichael) heard that some inquiries had been made for him, and hastened from Oneonta, which he visited for the purpose of seeing Mr. Cerpenter, who had made @ very extraordinary afidavit, published in the paper of which he is editor—the Oneonta Herala—In | this affidavit Mr. Carpenter declares that in one of | Grecley’s letters to Carmichael he recognized Gree- ley’s handwriting, and that he ley) expressed views “favorable to Ue passage of a law providing Mat Me general government pay pensions to Southern disabled soutiers” (italic .as printed), and that he Mon hig \ the letter carefully, and this was its true expression and meaning.” This, Mr. Carmichael stat in the most distinct and emphatic form, is utterly de- void of truth; that no such expression, or any | allusion to such a topic as paying pensions to Con- | rrespond. | ley, Tederate soidiers ever occurred in any ence that took place between him and and that learning for the first time on § that he was so grossly used to the prejudy truth and honor, te bad called on Mr. Curp for an explanation, the business of the writer being to ascertain the correct nature and extent of | Mr. Carmichael’s connection with the sq-cailed “intrigue,” and having before him he did not trouble himself as to wiat occurred between the two C’s in Oneonta, In- viting Mr. Carmichael to the Unadilla Hotel the HERALD representative sat down with that gentie- man, and the following conversation ensued :— GOING BACK A LITTLE. HERALD Rerersenratrve—You have heard, I see, of the object of my visit to Otsego Camere he pre- sume there exists no objection to describe the part you have taken during the past year in politics 80 Jar as it relates to Mr. Greciey’s nomination f ‘Mr. CARMICHAEL—UCertainly not, sir, Allow me, however, to expiain, and go back a litte, 1 have not voted for President sinve 1856, though, if Chase were nominated in 1868 I would have cast my ballot for that conservative statesman, The democratic party, alter the repeal of the Missouri compromise, discovered that differences of opinion existed within its organization amounting to laying the first stones for the foundation of # bloody strite between the North and South. It always ‘Mr. Carpenter's afidavit | NEW YORK HERALD, FRIDAY, JULY 26, 1872—TRIPLE SHEET. Oonnectiont. When North Carolina is assailed in its sovereignty, and negroes are made to rule over a white people, I feel, as an American citizen, deeply attached to the entire country, as if my own home were lawlessly invaded, HERALD RKPRESENTAVIVE—But this is going away from the charge that Mr. Greeley favored paying ee by the federal government to revel sol- je 1 Mr. CARMICHAEL—That is @ statement coming from false and unscrupulous people, and ! wish to aver that nothing, as far as tam concerned, ever was mentioned in the few business or common- Place letters 1 sent to the Tribune editor. The only convention I ever attended 28 a delegate was the State Convention in 1851, and the only other one I ‘was at took place at Baltimore in 1800; though the Binghamton Repudlican attributes to nie an active periicipation in such assemolages, of which am entirely innocent, THE MISTAKE OF NO NOMINATING CILASE in 1868 left the situation, much to sorrow, in the old uasettied condition fol- lowing the war. Not ceasing to thin of the mat- ter, | looked to Mr. Chase as a nominee in 1872; but learning that the condition of his health was very unsatisfactory, 1 turned my attention, seven or eight months ago, towards other quarters. HERALD RePREsENTATIVE—loward Mr. Greeley? Mr, CARMICHARL—Yes, sir. 1 spoke with the poo- ple of Otsego county, a8 opporiunity offered, both democrats and republicans, JT discovered that Horace Greeley was very oy we all up here, irrespective of party, have great coniidence in the man you call the “Woodchopper;” we. felt kindly toward him. I considered he would be a very acceptable and available candidate for the Presidency, and far from holding any relations, be- fore that time, with Mr. Greeley, the gentieman was to me an entire stranger, ‘My desire was to reach some compromise that would tend to the harmony of the nation #t large, aud not keep at our feet an freland, badly weated by the Grant mercenary aud famiiy purty, or # Poland thet shanies us and weakors us before tne civilized world, HERALD REPRESENTAT! V2— write to Mr. Greeley ? Mr. OarmicuAEL—Again York Times’ statements, copied trom the Uingham- ton Republican, are faise in gross and in detail. ‘There is uot a word in any iettor seat by me to Mr, g by me from hin, as I will teil 3 kiess assertions as to Mr, Greeley’s correspondence with Governor Seymonr, or any abler prominent democrat, as far as | know. HERALD REPRESENTATIVE—in your own Way please relate the story. Mr. CarwicHakt—In October, 1871, I called upon Mr. John Eddy, who was 4 delegate to the Consti- tutional Convention, ife fs a repubiica 3aw Mr, Samuel RK. Follat, Mr. William T, Finch, a Magistrate; Harvey Uuut, a republican, and CG, 5. Armes, an ex-mnember of Assembly, and also a re- publican, who were disgusted with the JUNKETING AND BLANK SYUPIDITY OF GRANT, who does not scem to possess capacity enough to speak two sentences on any subject on any occasion, as far as the people know, either in public or in privat Alter these gentlemen I falerview formerly Surveyor of the port of N member of Congress, and Perry P. Rogers, a repub- lican attorney of Binguamton. ‘They all were mor- tifled in Ge tislyr | the biind and wretched policy ot keeping alive the wounds caused by a ended seven years ago, and which policy th declared was unjustifiable in the eyes of God and man, The talk of a union where there was nothing but a policy under Grant of disunion \d persecution, was ponieting: that requirea even as humbie an individual as I am to raise my voice in favor of change. Avoiding consultation with any person, I determined to write to several parties, with the view of advocating Mr. Greeley’s nomination both by the liberal republicans and democrats. HERALD REPRESENTATIVE—Did you write to Mr. Greeley ? Mr. CARMICHAEL—Now, here 13 what I want you to be very particular in taking down, I did write to Mr. Greeley, to whom I was at that time a per- fect stranger. I had as litite notion of anything important growing out of 1 as the child that runs before us under one of the maple trees beneath the window. I gave to Mr. Greeley my views as to the necessit; Gaye the humiliating business of keeping the Southern States under miurtial law, or call it, as the sycophants and office-holders de- scribe it, privilege then lodged in the hands of the smoky, horsy individual in the White House, aided in the Senate by Conkling and his crowa, to upset alilaw. Besides this I penued other observations touching upon kindred topics. He replied, and I will give his words as far as I can recollect, MR. GREELEY’S LETTER. Mr. Greeley answered my communication as T sup- pose he has, for years, responded to thousands ofothers of @ similar kind, Tshould have stated that I informed him that he was the choice, in my eee the people in the interior of New York for the Presidency. Mr. Greeley wrote, so far asI recollect, for I have not got the letter:— I agree with you that Mr. Chase ought to have been nominated in 1868. Whether he would have been elected or not, that nomination would have done much to heal the wounds opened by the war. As to what the future may untold let us not be impatient, for L cannot see my own way clear to the end of 1872, Yours, &c., HORACE GREELEY. . DENTISTRY AND CALIGRAPHY. HERALD RePRESENTATIVE—There is nothing in that letter about paying rebel soldiers pensions or making a bargain with the democracy. I see a “Doctor” Ireland, a dentist in your town, swears that Mr. Greeley promised to you that the tone of the Tribune would be changed after January, 1872. He appears to be A PARTICULARLY SMART CHAP in discovering what others in the journalistic pro- fession failed to see. Mr. CARMICHAEL—I received about five letters from’ Mr. Greeley, all in answer to communications Isent him. As they came to hand I considered that they were in no sense private, or, in my opinion, very particular, Ishowed them to democrats and Grant men alike, I repeat again what I said before, that Mr. Carpenter in solemnly swearing that he read a letter from Mr. Greeley tome in which ref- erence was made to pay Coniederate soldiers pen- sions, it being totally false, is something I leave for him to settle between his conscience and his maker. At no time in correspondence or conve! sation was ever such a topic touched yin by Mr. Greeley or myself, Mr, Carpenter in this matter places himself in @ very questionable position be- fore the people of Otsego county. “Doctor’’ Ire- land is a light weight, and though swearing to exa- mining letters from Greeley that he could not read, owing to bad caligraphy, only recognizing signa- ture and a printed top heading, yet this “Doctor” can positively swear to important matters in these letters, that ouly exist, it is merely charity to state, in his own Imagination. The “Doctor” will perhaps learn, before he is much older, that to be virtuous is to be happy. Te cobbler ought to stick to his last, HERALD REPRESENTATIVE—Is not that, Mr. Car- michael, a severe way to deal with this so-called “Doctor” Ireland ? Mr. CARMICHAEL—NO, sir; but let me go on, for 1 know your time is valuable. The only letter re- ceived by me from Mr. Greeley, in which reference is made to politics, is the one given at length above, If Mr. Grecley had any correspondence with Horatio Seymour I know nothing of it, To connect my name with it is the rankest kind of nonsense, THR FUN OF POLITICAL AFFIDAVITS. HERALD REPRESENTATIVE—Allow me to ask you this question, Mr. Carpenter, in his aifidavit sworn to July 17 imst., says he saw a letter from Horatio Seymour to you, dated in August or early iu September, 1871, on the subject of paying pen- sions to rebel soldiers, and in which he expressed himself in opposition to making the pension ques- tion an issue then, Is that true’ Mr. CanmicuakL—That statement is false, and the man who swears to it others than myself shonid deal with. At no time did I refer to sucha subject ia communication with Mr. Greeley or Governor Seymour, or they to me in writing or otherwise. HERALD REPRESENTATIVE—Did Mr. Greeley sug- gest or invite you to attead the Cincinnati or Bal- timore Conventions? Mr, CarMicHagL—No never. HERALD REPRESENTATIVE—Aiter receiving the letter above mentioned trom Mr, eley what steps, if any, dic you er ir. CaRMICHAEL—Now, please listen, and you will see how the action of a plain, well-meaning citizen has been distorted and made material of in an attempt to fnjure and deceive. The people were and are for Mr. Gio ley anyhow, and any- thing of this kind cannot ct wis popularity to the amount ofa row of pias. 1 act with the liberal nen did you frst use me. The New republicans because, though a democrat, the in- terest of the country requires, in my opinion, the brokerage that 18 selling of! by the Dents and Porters aud the family arrangement at Washington should be dispersed, and | aim with them, A VISIT AND COOL RECEPYION AT THE OFFIC HERALD REPRESENTATIVE—The Binghamton Re. pudlican states taat Mr. Greeley invited you to Tueet him in New York, Is that fact ¥ Mr, CARMICHARL—NO; 1018 not fact. After recetv- ing the letter from Mr. Greeley in which he states his inability to judge of matters even as far on as is7z, Lconsulted again with my friends in Otsego county, Who consiered i: would be advisable for some of us to exchange views with him personaily, Mr. Arnold B, Watson, Unadilla, thought he | would go down, Ithen saw Mr. Follatt and Mr. | Cook o1 Otego on the same subject. All these fail- | ing to go, 1 went myself to New York. livkaLb Represenrative—How were you re- ceived by Mr. Greeley? | | Mr. CarMicidagi—Most gentlemanly and cordially. ie hands of a polite attaché, who througit ‘TRIBUNE | me the Tribune establish- | ment. In conversation subsequeutiy with Mr. Greeley, he gave his views on farming, and regretted the mustake made by people in removing or destroying timber on poor iands. This was th nain and Only subject Of our conversa tion, except, as 1 will explain, | hazarded a remark on politics, because my distingu'shed friend showed no Sapouiron to toucil upon the subject. In fact, 1 was like @ fish out of water. 1 introduced the topic by saying that Grant's re-election would be a curse to the country, and keep alive all the wounds of the war; that he (Greeley) was logked upon as an avail- able stutesman, while Grant lad sunk almost below. bl ies 4 or notice among the farmers of New York. 1 also stated that there was a willingness on the side of the people of all parties, I believed, to bring him (Greeley) forward us a candidate for ths Presidency. Mr. Greeley said the people were at liberty to talk matters up among themselves, or something to that effect. These were about his red to me to be necessary that just principles should be adopted acceptable to the people in every part of the Union in order to save it; for, in gid fon, the rights of Alabama are as tumt and as valuable as the rights of exact words, I then proposed to see leading mem- bers in the democratic party, and mentione: HORATIO SEYMOUR. Mr. Greeley said that would not do at all, and Wished the Interview then aud there to be con- sidered ended, The matter was then sto) , for Mr. Greeley declined courteously, but firmly, to have par Peshar conversation with me, and, alter friendly expressions, 1 left for home. This is about all know of Mr. Greeley’s candidature. terview was bi it about by myself, and not sought for by Mr. Greeley, In it—the only one I ever had with tae liberal republican candidate— there was not any reference to rebel soldiers’ pen- sions or coalition or conditions with the democracy, with whom I have not acted for years, and for whom I had no authority whatever to speak. I have stoou aloof from politics for tiiteeu years. WALDU HUTOHUINS. HERALD REPRESENTATIVE—What about Waldo Hutchins? Mr. CanmicnarL—I do not know, nor did I ever see to knowledge Waldo Hutchins. Even in the case of these gentiemen the New York Zimes as furnished a dish of falsehood only fit for gudgeons to swallow. It is strange your city papers siould be so weak in brains as to'give currency to trans- parent nonsense, I hesitate to refer again to the editors in Binghamton and Oneouta, who huve deliberately falsified, MEN WILLING TO FIGHT, HERALD REPRESENTATIVE—I understand the stxte- ments relative to this alleged “intrigue’? and cor- eee with democratic leaders to be ground- ess, Mr, CaRMICHARL—AS far as I am concerned I know nothing of such transactions, and i beileve the reports are not true. I visited Dewitt ©, Litt John at Oswego, and saw J. H. Ramsay, President ofthe Albany and Susquehanna Kallrond, who said if thore was any move!nent on foot to put the Grant thieves out to count them in the tight, then went to Ithica ana saw Governor Seymour, in the latter part of November, 1871, and was kindly received by him at Deerfleld, GOVERNOR SEYMOUR AGAIN. There was no fricndsip, acquaintanceship, or anything of tle kind existing between Governor Seymour and myself prior to this tume. When t preseated myself to him a few months ago, he probaby did not know such @ person as Lam was in existence. My credentials were that 1 knew his reputation and standing as a patriotic statesman and national politician, and I desired to consult with him as to the public welfare, Profoundiy im- pressed with the belief that if a portion of the re- publican party, consisting of its best, wisest and Most injuential members were anxious to cut away from the rottenness of the Grant- gift and family and were also in sympathy with the de- , Lhoped there was some prospect jor the Se nd jor the North becoming really united. was not discouraged by Mr. Greeley’s refusal to hear or debs with me, The latter was opposed to any mt urse with the democrats in De- cember last. went to Governor Seymour without consulting any one, still taving reason to think that Greeley was the best man for Chiet Magistrate in the country, I had not been near the polls since 1856, for I believed Lincoln's candidatdre Was an unhappy matter, because it was sectional, and i believe it was Calhoun who said that when this occurred the couatry was lost. WHAT GOVERNOR SEYMOUR SAID, Governor Seymour stated he did not desire to walk over the line, but there was ono’ thing he wished to ne that if the popuniican party was. disposed to change the administration the demo- cratic party, as jar as he knew, was willing to treat them fuirly and take no advantage of tae move- ment. I mentioned Greeley’s name, but the Gov- ernor remarked there were besides him other prominent republicans, such as Trumbull and Chase, Who would be acceptable to men of both parties, There was nothing that occurred then, beiore or since, which gives any founda- tion for the false statements contained in the Binghamton paper and the Oneonta paper alleg- ing and stupidiy echoed by the New York Zimes that Governor seymour, through me, or through any- bouy else to my knowledge, had any communic: tion with Mr, Greeley as to the Convention at Bal- timore, My first and only interview with Governor Seymour took place in February last. There was no reference made in my conversation to paying wounded Confederate soldiers pensions, but the Governor alluded to the gradual soitening of passions and prejudices growing out of the war, and he remarked it seemed to him as If the best men of both parties were resolved to be nodonger quiet under the dragoon and guard mounting system attempted to be established for the govern- ment of the country at Washington. HERALD RerorteR—You understand, Mr. Car- michael, I am giving your own words, taking at the same time the liberty of condensing them. Was there any proposition to hold A GREELEY CONVENTION IN OTSEGO COUNTY? Mr. CarMicHakL—Yes, sir, During the first week of January I wrote to Mr. Greeley asking him if he would approve of holding a convention here in Ot- sego county, to nominate him for the Presidency. J informed him the republicans were in favor of the proposition, but that I, as a retired democrat, would take no part in it, Mr. Greeley replied that such a movement would be unwise, as he could only look, without reference to himseli or his interest, to the general good of the country. After this one would think Mr, Greeley wished to have nothing to do with me, except so iar as courtesy required. STATEMENTS TO BE VERIFIED, 1F NECESSARY. HERALD REPRESENTAITVE—Wiill you please state anything further in reference to the part you took in political affairs since October last ? ir, CARMICHAEL—In the first place I desire to give the most positive contradiction to the material ortions of the statement published in the New ‘ork Times, and quoted from the Binghampton paper, If necessary I can verify what I say on oath. ‘rhe pretendec ries of letters {rom Governor Sey- mour, Horace Greeley and Waldo Hutchings, as far as | know Is the work of some unscrupulous person and of persons heedless of the responsibility of an oath, Laddressed many leading men, as I did Mr, Greeley, as I saw their names in the bewspapers, who were announced as going as delegates to Cin- cinnati, and to whom I was unknown. I wrote to Mr. Fenton, urging Mr. Greeley’s merits, but the Senator never replied. I wrote to Mr. Hutchins, as well as to many others whose names I do not now recollect. I received about five let- ters from Mr. Greeley and three from Gover- nor Seymour during the past eight months, all in ‘answer to communications sent the They are not in my possession. Being a widowe and having no safe place to keep papers of cons quence, 1 mailed them to New York, where they are now. I have learned a lesson as to the value of simple business communications. I believe that only on one occasion did f exhibit a letter of Mr. Greeley’s to Mr. Carpenter, and though I may have spoken among my neighbors of corresponding with that gentiewan, I do not remember of ever giving an opportunity to any of the persons who at present seem to know more avout their contents than myself of even glancing, reading or eXamin- ing them; and, besides, my memory is not a bad one. PENSIO’ HERALD REPRE: TO REBEL SOLDIERS. raTiVE—Can you eXp tain how this matter of pensioning rebel sdlers came to be | spoken about ? Mr. CARMICHARL—I am free to say thatin my understanding of curing the wounds of the war there should be equal treatment of the people, soldiers and civilians, both North and South, as we honest people in the country believe, and Mr. Greeley was and is in favor of liealing the sores and softening the bitter memories of a tratricidal con- test, where the fan, of the North were as much to blame as the chivairy down in the Carolinas, Your “Woodchopper” is not a saint, in my opinion. AS Lhave said more than twice, Mr. Gree: Seymour never mentioned this matter to me about rebel soldiers, nor did I to them. But however much mistaken you and the HeraLp may consider me, I amin favor of such a measure. My gnly aim or thought is to make our people united, and, if possible, to be relieved of the incubus ol Grant and his corrupt and incompetent — surroundings. What is the difference between supplying & one-legged or intirm soldier in a Southern poorhouse and making him the ward of the nation’ The expense to the people is the same. Who would pause in bestow- ing jood and sheiter to a widow aud orphans when iu want because the husband and father fell bravely fighting on the Rappahannock or Mississippi in the lost cause ¥ No‘one; and there ls, besides, what if generous and forgiving to be considered, The people of the South are our brethren, who, having erred, paid the penaity. If we are to have a Union let it be so in fact as wellus in name. Mr, Gree- ley promises in good faith to bring about—and the people up here believe him—peace and unity, Graut and Ms Secretary of the Treasury desire to keep the bloody chasm created by the war open. As jar as T know in the country here such a policy is repudiated and finds no iavor, The republican farmers of the intertor of New York want to join bonds and hearts with their sorely oppressed breth- ren tn the South. HERALD representative had to suggest to Mr. Carmichael that he had got the chief points bear- ing upon the so-called intrigue. Mr. Carmichvel had much further to say on this subject, bus the shades of evening Closing in the interview ended, A PARTING WORD. Tiis report would be incomplete if it were not re- corded that during the two or three hours spent in : of Willian Mattice se nterruptions Mr. Carmichaet be sud- denly in and, and knocked at the door the ‘nice py from time to time to deliver verbal mess: nd notes, ‘This, of course, disturbed the 1 y between Mr. Carmichavl and the HeKALD representative, In Unadilla, as in larger places, there are cliques and parties; but one thing was as plain as the noonday gun, that the gentleman usually living in the old barn, three miles away, and now present, enloring a glass of ice water, seemed to hy attained sud- denly, a position of importance to which the judges, doctors and neighbors generally thougat he was not entitled, GREELEY DEMONSTRATION IN WILLIAMS. BURG. A large open-air meeting was heid last evening at the intersection of North Fifth and Fourth streets, Williamsburg, of the enthusiastic suap- porters of Greeley and Brown. The Committee of Arrangements brought tato re- quisition music, fireworks, artillery and flaming tar-barrels, and brought together an immense mul- titude of persons wearing white hats, beside a large crowd without hats of any color, The meeting was called to order by Captain P. J. Gleason, President of the Seventh Assembly Dis- trict Greeley and Brown Association, who de- livered a vigorous address. He was followed by ex-Judge A. H. Dailey, Stephen J, Calahan and others. The utmost enthusiasm prevailed and the meeting continued until a late hour. NORTH CAROLINA. Feeling the Pulse of the Anti-Se- cession Mountaineers, POLITICS IN HIGH LATITUDES. Great Gnashing of Tecth Over the Tennessee Jayhawkers aud the Holden-Kirk War, - Ex-Senator Clingman’s Hor- rible Recitals. Conservative Stump Orators Using * Inflammatory Language to the Blue-Noses. Serer ee eer SECRET REPUBLICAN TACTICS An Administration Victory by a Small Majority Fully Conceded. Morganton, Burke county, N. C., July 23, 187: } Here, in the centre of the great western mountain region of North Carolina, the canvass has reached its highest pitch of political excitement, The en- tire country, ranging from Virginia to South Caro- lina and {rom the middle of this State to Tennes- see, is fairly alive with stump speakers of every grade, from the candidate for County Commissioner to the aspirant for the Gubernatorial honors of North Carolina, Along the line of the Western division of the North Carolina Railroad, from Salis- bury to this point, I counted nine political meetings of both parties, and, taking these asa basis for an estimate, I am satisfled that the number held to-day throughout this section of country must reach several hundred. Governor Caldwell, the re- publican candidate for re-election, is here- abouts, as are also a few other republican Speakers, but where exactly I have not yet been able to find out. All business seems to be tempo- rarily suspended, and the popular mind is wholly devoted to the importance of the canvass, To say that there is great enthusiasm would be but a mild way of giving expression to tne feeling of the people. It is now nothing short of the most in- tense political excitement, and this, too, among a people who are naturally hard to be aroused and who have been used to regard politics with the greatest aversion. Whites and blacks, farmers anf laborers, brandy distillers and brandy drinkers, blacksmiths and woodchoppers, and even the hardy mountain women who chew and take snuff and smoke tobacco, clad in their native homespun, throng to political meetings to hear the issues, national and State, discussed from every standpoint, These mountaineers, whom the read- ers of the HERALD have already been informed are for the most part original Unionists, have generally been regarded as republicans since the close of the war. They were bitterly opposed to secession, and when that became a fixed fact they stubbornly re- fused to join the Confederate cause, were hunted down in consequence, many of them shot, their families left homeless, and latterly, like Secretary Boutwell, they were opposed to shaking hands across the bloody chasm, Heretofore every effort to induce them to register and vote proved a failure. If a secessionist or a supporter of the “lost cause” had any connection with a political movement he could not be induced by the most plausible pretensions to have anything to with it, and republicans of the most ultra carpet-bag stripe found it dificult to bring a few of them to the registering oilice and to the poles, Recently, if/wever, quite A POLITICAL REVOLUTION has taken place in this respect. The present con- stitution, with its oppressive system of taxation, its township system and its many other objection- able features, has been sorely felt by them, and, having never had any of the benefits of negro slavery, they begim to feel aggreived that so much national and State legis- lation should be expended upon Sambo, which seemed to grind them down while it clevated him. While they are excessively poor, and in most instances very ignorant, yet they have intelligence enough to discern that the negroes are far more favored than they are by both the national and State governments. Governor Vance and his brother, who is the conservative Congressional candidate in this district, and General Clingman, Judge Merrimon, General Suipp, Senator Tipton and other orators now in this section touched the right chord when they held up to the poor white moun- + taineers the patronizing mauner in which the in- terests of the negroes were fostered and looked alter by the government, while theirs were almost totaily neglected, THE INTERNAL REVENUE LAW is one of the most serious grievances, bat the poor people of this section and the conservative speak- ers Were not slow to take advantage of it and make astrong point in their own favor. Living remote from Las but unfinished and projected railroads, and with no markets at which to dispose of the vast fruit products of this region, the people of necessity were driven to the distillation of fruit into brandy, which could be more easily trans- ported and’ then easily sold. A most extensive trade was done in this way, and, until the Internal Revenue law was applied to it, it Was quite lucra- tive. After that, which was a sad blow to the poor mountaineers, the whole western section of North Carolina became a field for spies, , and revenue ‘leeches of every character iption, disreputabie and bad. ‘Their wag- ed on the highways, their property in their houses, the men were imprisoned and ruined, and in thousands of instances their families left homeless starving. The distillation of fruit was no longer proitable aud the people were thus de- prived of one of their main and ciuef sources of subsistence, This tnade the national government Very unpopular with them, and it pecame a ques- tion With ihe poor unionists of the trying times of the war, Whether the Comfederacy, with all its ter- rors and abominations, was not better after ail. The next subject whieh was brought forcibly to the attention of these people was THE HOLDEN-KiRK WAR of 1870. Now, if there is one horror which they regard’ a8 worse than another it 1s the presence among them of soldiers armed with muskets and bayonets, The mention of them recalls vividly to their minds the terrivle and often atrocious scenes that transpired in their midst, and of which they | were the Victims, between the zoth of May, 186i, ani the 9th of April, 165, When ex-Senator Clingmav—a recent strong republican, whose name seems to be a household word in this section— graphically depicted to the attentive mountameers ail the horrors to which the people of Alamance and Caswell counties were subjected in 1370, by tue ‘Tennessee jayhawk commanded by Kirk, under the orders of Governor Holden, they were amazed, With wrapt attention they listened to the details of that infamous despotism which was sad to have received the sanc- tion of the federal government. How all the leading citizens, and those only, Were tora from their homes and familie, and crammed into dan- geons by ignorant and orwtal soldiers; how many of them were knocked down, beaten, constantiy insulted sad the worst indignities olfered them; how numbers were threatened with death, with THE VISTOL'S MUZZLE AT THE HEADS, if they did not divulge secrets which they did not know; how many of them were hu up by the necks untii life became nearly extinct, in order to force them to reveal such supposed secrets; how whole communities were in constant terror ot being dragged from their homes at mid- | night and cast into prison by these Ten- neasee miscreants; and how the women and chil- dren—wives, mothers and sisters of tue men—were openly insulted, indignantly treated, the effect was magical, and many & sovereign from that moment resolved to vote the liberal ticket. ‘This has proved the most effective card ior the liberals in the West, and if they are successful it can be attributed to that iact. But if the people were at all undecided when they heard the tale of woe from Alamance and Casweil, all existing doubta were dispelled when it was gravely and solemnly announced to them Phage Fenubtieae convention which minated Caldwell for Governor, endorsed in its platform the Holden-Kirk war of 1870, this settled the ques- tion, and with @ unanimity scarcely ever ‘wit- nessed in any political campaign, the re- against atiorm and its can- se (ae Matin Pitan ac cannot deny sny of the charges made agalost the perty.on Holden's ‘account that he refuses to meet he Conservative speakers on the stump, Caldwell was Lieutenant Governor when HOLDEN WAS TRIED AND IMPEACHED for these very crimes, and the alacrity with which he stepped into the ex-Governor’s executive shoes is a proof that he at least was convinced of the justice of the trial, and that udesced the judgment and sentence. Another charge, and a very serious one, for which the people here hold the republican parr responsi- |, dle, is the seven million bond swindle perpetrated by certain baukers. Connecting with the Western vision of the North Carolina Railroad, which ter- minates here, is the projected French broad road, which is partiaily graded to the Tennessee tine. It was to build this road that the republican Legisla- ture of 1867-8 made the seven million appropriation, and a) ted a president. Besides this enormous sum, the people along the line of the projected road were induced to invest largely in an enter- prise which promised to cg their resources, open up the country, and bring them into dally communication with the markets of the world, The work was begun, contracts let, and the sture mountaineers were employed as labor- ers to push it through to completion, ey worked hard for three months, the contractors purchasing supplies from storekeepers in the vicjnity on tho credit of their coutracts, At about thé expiration of this period, the two chief banking agents de- camped with the proceeds of the $7,000,000 bonds, which had a ready sale, while the work was in progress, the contractors found themselves ruined men, the storekeepers who advanced the supplies were swindled, and the poor laborers were de- frauded out of their hard-earned wages, ‘ Here was embezzlement of the State funds; whole commiunitics were swindled out of their property aud the workmen’ cheated out of the sane ‘itance earnad by the aweat of their brow, and al t-big Legis- this through a bn tyro cary ture, which was the willing tool of a certain un- scrupulous aud thieving carpet-bagger. These issues have been used with the most telling effect tn the present campaign, and tt will be no matter of surprise if they one the State for the conser- vatives on the first Thursday in August, for this alone is the doubtiul section in the State. EFFECTIVE REPUBLICAN ‘TACTICS, While the Gonserepsirey ure active ip all the out- ward show of a political canvass, the republicans are quictly endeavoring to cvunteract the inroads that are daily being made in tucir ranks. Their plans are aot so apparent; their ageuts permeate the entire country, and circulate among the real sovereigns, but with what resuits cannot be stated, On my route here I met no less distinguished a personage than Deputy United States Marshal John G. Hester, who has acquired a_ national notoriety beg the alleged abduction of Dr, Rutus Bratton, of South Carolina, from Canadian soil. Hester has been one of the most active. officials in arresting Ku Klux offenders in this State for the past twelve months, and his duties have calied him to nearly. every county in this section, “How wik tie election go on the 1st?" I asked. HesTeR—-We will carry the State by a large majority—probabiy by 7,500. 5 enn ESPONDENT—W hat reason have you for think- ing so Hesren—Woell, sir, I have it directly from the people themselves, not from politicians; I have talked with men in their homes, sitting by their firesides in their cabins, and on their porches smoking their pipes, and I know that the very men whom the democrats count upon to vote their ticket will vote the republican ticket. CORRESPONDENT—'The republicans do not seem to be making as active a canvass as the conserva- tives. Why is this? Hesrer—We are making a sure and certain can- vass; but leaving that out of the question, the peo- ple of this State know they will have PEACE BY THE ELECTION OF GRANT, and they believe that if he is not elected there will be a repetition of the murders, whippings and atrocities which have so recently been put a stop to by General Grant. CORRESPONDENT—You do not suppose Mr. Greeley moult hee any Ku Kluxism more than Grant woul HESTER—NoO; I don’t think he would; but then you know he has promised to allow the States to regulate their own affairs, and if these people are permitted to do that, why there would be no secu- rity for the rights or privileges of the colored peo- ple, nor for their lives or property. CORRESPONDENT—Is the administration using money to any great extent in the canvass? HesreR—Not that I am aware of. It has been charged that the Marshal in this State drew large sums for campaign porposes, but there is not a word of truth in it, The moneys that he drew were legitimately used in defraying the expenses of the United States Courts, and in paying the mileage and expenses of thousands almost of witnesses to attend the courts, which you know were in sessiow at times for over a month. THE CONGRESSIONAL NOMINATIONS. CORRESPONDENT—What do you think about the Congressmen? HESTER—We will carry the First, Second, Third, Fourth and this (the Fifth) district, beyond a doubt. The other three, I think, the conservatives may carry, though one of them is stiil doubtful, CORRESPONDENT—Then you think Senator Pool’s estimate that the State will go largely republican is correct? HesTeR—I am confident of it. Senator Pool has had for months past two clerks preparing statistics of every county in the State, He has an inteiligent correspondent in every township, and to-day he is in possession of information as to how everv doubt- ful white man in the State will vote. CORRESPONDENT—What do you think about the Legislature? . Hrster—We will carry that, too, by a handsome majority. These are the views generally expressed by re- publican oficials. On the other hand, when con- servative politicians are informed that certain voters they count upon are deceiving them the in- variable answer is, ‘Don’t you believe it, The white men that tell these deputy marshals they will vote the republican ticket LIE LIKE FORTY. They will every one vote our ticket.” In such a case of questionable veracity: it is hard to decide which is right, .From all the lights now belore me, and for the information of the readers of the HERALD, [ give it as my candid and impartial opinion that the republicans will carry the State by asinall majority; but in a future communication 1 will endeavor to disclose how this is to be done. GRANT AND WILSON BANNER RAISING. Large Mecting at 457 Fourth Avenue Last Evening. Nearly two thousand persons assembled last evening at Thirty-first street and Fourth avenue, the occasion being the raising of a Grant and Wil- son banner by the Eighteenth Assembly District Republican Association. Strings of Chinese col ored lanterns were stretched across the street and many of the houses in the immediate neighbor- hood were decked with flags and bunting. Four calcium lights were employed to light up the scene. A platform was erected immediately outside the headquarters of the association, 457 Fourth avenue, on whieh @ pana of music was stationed and whence the speakers of the evening addressed the as- sembiage. AU eight o'clock precisely the band struck up “The Star-spangled Banner,” and the handsome with flames and portraits of y ry Wilson was flung to the breeze amid voctferous cheering from the crowds in the street, on the sidewalk aud in the ad- jacent windows. ‘The presiding of of the meeting, Mr. Henry E. Howland, then made a few introductory re- marks previous to che appearance of the speaker of the evening, Mr. E, Delafield Smith, Mr. Smith reviewed the respective records of 3S. Grant and Horace Greeley, and without wishing to say anything against Mr. Greeley’s pri- vate character, he declared that no true American or republican could consistently vote for him. He was jollowed by Colonel Morgan, Dr. David Bell, Mr. J. C. F. Beyland, Mr, Moriarty, of Philadel- plia, afd a few others. DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSIONAL NOMINATIONS, BIDDEFORD, Me, July 25, 1872. vi The First District, Democratic Convention to-day nominated W. H. Clifford, of Portland, for Con- gress and L. S. Moore, of Limerick for Presidential Hector, The resolutions of the Baltimore Conven- tion Were enlor sed, REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL NOMINATIONS, ToLepo, July 25, 1872. ‘The republicnns of the Sixth Congressional dis- triet to-day neowin iced General Isaac R. Sherwood for Congress ot the fourth ballot. CHIO NOMINATIONS TO CONGRESS. CINCINNATI, July 25, 1872, The Republican Congressional Oonvention of the Thirteenth district to-day nominated Lucius P, Marsh for Congress, ‘The republicans of the Third district have nomi- nated Jolin Q. Smith for Congress, AMERICAN PHILOLOGICAL ASSOCIATION, PRovipencs, R. L., July 25, 1872, The American Philological Association closed its sessions this afternoon and adjourned vo meet next July at Lafayette College, Easton, Pennsylvania, Oficers for the ensuing year were elected as fol- lows :— President.—Rev. Dr. A.C. Kendrick, D. D., Uni- versity of Rochester, N. Y. Vice Presidents.—Professors Francis A. March, of Lafayette College, Easton, Pa., and James Hadley, of Yale College, Secretary.—Vrofessor George F. Comfort, of Syra- cuse University, New York. carmen ts Hammond Trambull, of Hartford, nn. . Executive Committee—Chancellor Howard Crosby, University of New York; Professor EB. W. Evans, of Cornell University, 1) N. Y.; Professor William F. Allen, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wis. ; Professor Robert Harkness, Brown University, Providence, K. 1.; Professor Crawford H. Foy, Soutnern Baptist ‘Theological Seminary, Greenville, PENNSYLVANIA. ‘Meeting of the Republican State Central Com mittee—Appointment of an Elector aud Two Congressmen at Large— Forney’s Constant Fight. Hanaispunrg, Pa., Jaly 25, 1972. The Republican State Central Committee inct tm this city this morning for the purpose of nomfnat- ing an elector at large and two Congressmen, agreeable to tue late Apportionment law, whick gives the State of Pennsylvania two extra Congress- men, There were seveuty-eight members present, andthe proceedings were characterized by harmony and good-will throughout, From rumors current in Philadelphia, yesterday, it was supposed that the committee seriously thought of changing the nominees for Governor and Auditor General, for if cannot be denied that Hartran{t’s alloged con- nection with the Evans fraud has materially weakencd the present ticket. The committee in secret thoroughly canvassed the pros and cons of the proposed change, and concluded that it is a bad policy to “swap horses in the middic of the stream.” ifthe party cannot carry their present candidates to victory in October, there is very littie hope that others would meet with better success, Viliam .D. Korbin, of Philadelphia, colored, was nominated for eloctor at large; Giennt W, Schofeld, of Warren, and General Charles Albright, of Car- bon, were nouiiauted for Congressincn at large. The committee received reports from ore county in the Stato, and report themseives w satisfied with the state of affairs, Thad conversation this afternoon with State Treasurer Mackay. it was in relation to Vorney’s bitter feht against Hartranit and Cameron. In re- py, to adirect question concerning Mr. lorney's bittorness of spirit, and why he still maiotained the fight, Mr. Meckay informed me that it arose trom one cause only—the connection of the Forney family with the Evans frauds. Forney was very angry when subpoenaed as a witness by the committee last winter, and has never forgiven Hurtranit ior hot protecting him. Cameron occupics the position that Forney covets—tie United States Senstorship, hence hia fight with Cameron, Mr. Mackay and others of the committee, will net admit that Cameron stands in Forney’s way, or that oy one stands in his way, for it is not ad- mitted by Pennsylvania politicians that Forney has any chance whatever of securing a nomination, Geary is guictly ignored by every one, and spends: his time recounting his many claims on the peo- ple’s gratitude, end says he will go down to his grave covered with honor and possessing the hearts of all the people of the commonwealth. MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. “Don Carlos,” prohibited by the Madrid censor- ship, has been readmitted on the stage, but failed. The “Woman in White’ is being fitted for the French stage under the title of “La Femme em Blanc.”” A Gorman musician has discovered that the tone ofa violin can be greatly improved by immersing the instrument in lager beer, and leaving it there until it becomes thoroughly saturated. The London Atheneum thus speaks of a debu- tante at Covent Garden :—‘“Mile. Smeroschi, in one word, has neither physical power, dramatic talent nor vocal ability enough to justify her in aspiring to be a London prima donna.” Opera-frequenters may recollect the Sisters Car- lotta and Barbara Marchisio, who sang the Rossinian’ duets so charmingly a few years since. We regret to learn the death, at Turin, at the age of thirty- six, of Signora Carlotta, who was married to Signor Coselli. Herr Lorenzo Riese, a tenor from the Stadt Theatre, Nuremberg, has been singing in a round of characters with extraordinary success at the Royal Opera House, Dresden. Public and critics are oieale pleased with him. As & proof how pene & goo! id a tenor is appreciated nowadays ant in Germany, we may mention that from a pro’ cial theatre like that at Nuremberg Herr Biese re- ceives 12,000 forins—that is, £1,200 sterling per an- num. The German bass, Herr Stockhausen, who was brought up im France, and taught his art at the Paris Conservatoire at the expense of the French government, has published at Berlin a song in which the misfortunes of France are scorned and derided. The tenor Roger, at the head of the ar- tists of the Opera Comique, has addressed a letter to him, which has been made public, censuring his ingratitude, and after qualifying him as a coward the indignant actors repudiate all fellowship with him, The London Atheneum thus criticises the last Philharmonic concert:—“Herr Halle played Men- delssohn’s Concerto in D minor frigidly; his lett hand seems to have Jost its cuuning, and the execu- tion was but imperfect in arpeggio and staccate assages. The interpretation made scarcely any Enpression, and yet amore poetic, melodious and werfu! pianoforte piece has never been conceived. ‘here were two splendid specimens of vocalization from two English artists. Mme. Parepa-Rosa san, the ‘Ah! perfido’ of Beethoven, restoring the ori nal key, which contraltos are so fond of chat (by doing so they destroy the effect of the lovely accompaniments), and Mr. Santley executed the norid aivisions of Rossini's scena for & baritone, ‘Alle voce della gloria’ (sung in former days by Signor Tamburini), with rare point and precision. We know of no modern Italian baritone who could boa these roulades so superbly as Mr. Santley nd. FINE ARTS FOR JULY has much interesting reading of a light kind about art and artists. The -‘History of Engraving” is con- tinued with some excellent illustrations, A critique, on Ward’s Shakspeare has sought out the obvious weak points of the last addition to our public monuments. Although there is much justice in the points made against Mr. Ward’s work, with all its faults it is the best public statue we posseas. This is, of course, only a poor excuse for its short- comimgs. The chicf iliustrations in this popular work are engravings of the “Foolish Virgins,” and the “Ruins of the Abbey of Sligo.” THE PAOIFIO COAST. Indians of Arizona at Camp McDougal— Streng Professions of Peace while Armed to the Teeth. San Francisco, Cal, July 25, 1872. Mrs, McKinney, a young married woman, whe shot William Cummings dead at Petaluma, for slan- dering her, has been admitted to bail in $20,000, Carrutha’s suit, involving the title to a large por- tion of Portiand, Oregon, has been decided in favor of the platntiits. Letters from ge ¢ McDowell, Arizona, state that delegations from the Tonto, Pinal and Cayetero, Apaches, and Apache Mojaves Indiins, came into that post professing peace, but as they represented only Li iain of tribes, numbering over @ thousand warriors, they were evidently im- pelled by the movements of the troops under General Crook. They were informed that bom must all come in and surrender their arms ree to remain on the reservation. They were also informed that they could not expect to repeat the dodge of showing the white flag, retaining their arins and drawing their rations, and then return to the war path when the pursuit of the troops ceased. THE OHAPLAINOY OF REFUGE. To THE EpITOR OF THE HERALD:— Str—As the recent émeute in the House of Refuge has called forth criticasm of the management of the instivution, permit me through your paper to inquire whether the fault lies mainly with those who have charge of the industrial department or whether these ebulltions of juvenile depravity may not be traced to neglect in the chaplaincy, Has the chaplain been a father to the children, acquaint- ing himself with them personally, and thus acquir- ing a knowledge of their individual characters and wants, and getting into their very hearts by ten- der, fatherly sympathy, 80 as to sway them to the good, true and maniy? Has he not rather con- tented himself mainly with addressing them publicly once a week, devoting a large portion of his time to newspaper coriespondence. He has, at least, im this way gained suiicient notoriety to be appointed to the editorship of a paper. And is there not here @ gross dereliction of duty? In the name of these unguarded youth, I ask, are not their claims suit- cient to tax the whole of the chaplain’s time? Should he not devote himself, publicly, privately and ail the while to making the children Curistians: as the effectual way of making them good citizens? The fag is evidently no sinecure. Yet has not the a: ain, in addition to former neglect, been drat ing his pay for two months past, while spending a large portion of his time in Boston? and tis at the critical juncture when the children have special need of a loving father to go round among the: take them by the hand and breathe into them spirit of contentment, industry and piety, and lead them gently to God and ness. And Is it true that, in view of his prospective re- tirement irom his post, the managers of the insti- tution, in a ey to fill his place, have dtrected attention to another D. D. editor, who has made hintself somewhat ular by writing a novel, and who, we are informed, ii he accepts tne chapiaincy, would make it a subordinate employment, and de- vote his chief attention to bookmaking and news- japer correspondence. For the good of the chil- ren I hope a different selection will be made. Let irene ety one eee it or ecticalty onele . ol wil prac e me and faithful, devoting his entire time to the ae 4 FRIEND OF THE INST! THE HOUSE OF é

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