The New York Herald Newspaper, March 16, 1872, Page 3

THY LASH OF REFORM. Tuteresting Testimony Takon by the Commitice in the Case of Senator Wood. Terrible Temptations of a New York Legislator. The Curse cf Having Friends Ready to | Lend Money on the Jump. How Gould and Tweed Worked the Oracle and Why They Did it, Revelations of Legislative Fraud and Corruption, Imperfect Glimpses of the In- ; famy of the Lobby. What A. D. Barber Knows About. Bribery. The Frieudly Favors of the Brie Ring and the Tammeny Autoorat, Testimony of the Fellow Who Knows How it Is Himself, Evidence Taken Before the Committee of the Senate in the Case of Senator James Wood— “Boss” Tweed, the Democratic Leader ; Hank Smith aad Walter Roche, the Friends of the Saving Poor; Bar- ber, the Lamb of the Lobby, and Hugh Hastings Swear- ing by the Bible—Wood’s Own Little Story. ALBANY, March 15, 1872, Senator James Wood, of the Thirtieth . district, Bul continues to ovcupy his place in the Senate, but the indications are that bis seat, as well as that of Tweed, will soon be vacant. The report of the special committee appointed to mvestigate the charges against Mr. Wood, which wag pub- nshed = exciusively im the HERALD yester- day, showed that the evidence taken by the committee established the truth of the charges preferred agaimst nim. The fact. that he coolly re- eutmed his seat in the Senate yesterday and to-day, and participated in the proeeeaings as calmly as though nothing oui of the ordinary way had occnr- Ted to blacken his character im the eyes of his tei- Jow Senators, led many pecple to believe that no action would be taken. uyen the report, and that, after all, the whole mvestigation would result in botning practical, The resolutions offered to-day by Senator Chatfeld, however, that the Senate shonid endorse the report of the committee, which he mmediately followed Up With another resolution of expuision against Mr. Wood, shows that all apprehension on this point Was without fonndauon, The action of Senator Chatfheld took the Senate completely by surprise, for he offered the resolutions on bis own rosponsi- bility, and did not, as 1s usnal Mm such cases, previously consult his colleagues, nor ask thelr advice as to What was best to be done in the matter. Had tie resolutions been offered by some other Senator they wouid probably not have excited any- tning like the sensation they did coming trom Sena- tor Chatfield, for he has always been recognized as a warm personal friead of Wood, besides being, like Wood himself, one of the strong supporters of the late Erie Railroad management « Chatiiela is the religious man of the Senate. The day before he started for Albany, after his election, he attenued 2 meeting ef the congrega- tion of his Church, where he not only beseeched js brethren m Christ to pray thav he might _-be strengthened against the temptations of | the Alvany lobby, but was also unsel- | fish enough to ask them to offer up their prayers for the same good purpose on behalf of tie Assemblymen from his district. Doubtiess Mr. Chatfield, when the report of the In- vestigating Committee was read, bethought him- seif of the good resolves he had made at that church meeting,- and considered it bis Christian @uty to be the toremost man in ‘the Senace to mant- feet nis detestation of bribery and corruption In the Senatorai ranka, Itremains now to be seen what action will be taken upon the resolutions when they come up for the final, action of the Senate. Senator Wood mignt ‘have resigned, had he .seen_ tit, after the Feport had been made public, and thus have saved himself the degradation which these resolutions put upon him. He was in his seat to-day when ‘they were read anu looked in no wise disconcerted, and this fact would seem to indicate that ue has no intention of resigning, but that he intends to fight his case to the bitter end. It should be borne in mind that when the report was presented Senator Lord reserved his right to present a separ- ate report as a minorty of the Commit- tee, and it may be that Mr Wood has | @ lingering hope that this report will be 3m his favor. This hope, however, is a frail one; for Lord is a staunch democrat and bitlerly opposed to anything like corruption in the republican ranks, no matter what democratic Senators may have aone in the past. The report of Senators Allen and Ames gave but a faint idea of the testimony taken during the investigation. The choicest portions of this testimony, which will be fonnd below, will, no doubt, create a lively sengation among the old Albany lobbyists, who have taught people to beileve that money was really the power “behind the throne’ in the Stal Legislature. People will learn for the first 1 after a perusal of the evidence of Tweed and A. D. Barber that the session of 1870 was carried through by Tammany on principle alone, and that the very men would have known it had there been ‘anything of the kind are unaware that anybody was bribed or @ dollar spent, directly or mdirectly, dur. that memorable session to save the then waning fortunes of the Tammany Ring. THE EVIDENCE Testimony of William M. Tweed. ‘Wiitam M. Twoed was duly sworn, and testified as follows:—I know Mr. James Wood, a member of tho Senate; never knew him until I met him in the Senate; may have met him a day or two before in my room, but don’t remember; I refer to the Sevate of 1870-71; 11 was democratic by two majority, eighteen to fourteen; 1 remember when the city charter and the tax levy was passed that year; the charter was passea b§ a vote of 30 to 2, Genet and ‘Thayer voung in the negative; I know of the Bowling Grecn Savings Bank; I was not connected with the bwak, except that I had my money there #ad lost it} think my son, William, was connected oe ‘With it, but he never attended any meeting of the arustees; only cad $1,000 in the bank, & Im regard to 4 Fh THE CITY CHARTER @o you know of any person, Senator or otherwise, attempt to influenee Mr. Wood in his action upon that meastwe? A. I think jt te more than likely I attempted tdgnfuence him; | spoke to neariy atiof the Senators of fiat subject. Q Will you pieang siate how and when you at. 1 tempied to whence Himy A, My conversations | ‘with thé Senator were mostly in the Senate Cham- ber; I don’t think we cver spoke outside; 1 pointed out to Lim the evils which threatened us from the manner in which the Young Democracy were trying to break up everything; I don’t think Iever talked to him except in the presence of seme oiher Sena- tor; I believe Senator Lewis and most of the other Republican henators Were present once; | am con- dent I never spoke with him alone, @ Did you ever call on him? A. Tam confident Inever called on bim, and don’t think he ever called op me, q Do you know whether anybody else ever had any conversation with Senator Wood on that sub- Jector ized to influence him in behaif of that mea- eure) A. Laon’t, except that they were the COMMON TOPICS OF COVERSA TION; My Conversation Was never private; I mever had & minuie’s private conversation with Mr. Wood; I Was very muct iuterested in the passage of that wh . Do you know of any influence being brought to bear on Senater Wood by any other person to recive his Influence for the passage of that mecsure ¢ A. No other except (he influence that was gener rally brought to bear on all the members of the re- riy; they were infavor of maklug the election Jaw, or the registry law, as it was called, more pgent; so-called “Young Demovracy opposed te churier; 1 Was in favor of it. Do 1 understand you to say that you don't ¥ 0! aby induence bei brouwal to bear on ie- u Senators? A. Only through their advo- J of the passage of the eecuon or regisuy taw. & Lo you know whether any money was paid or attempted to be used by wny verson or persons Who APE KUOWH A8 JobvsIsIS Lo Infuenee 46 oF for the purpose ol securing impuences A. J have m0 Kuowledge wiat tovoyists did in ine matver. b INNOUENCEy « Do yon know wii ay any -o4 these lobbyists ci unluenge with Senator . 1 do not. nts placed am their hande for shape of moneyt A. Not to my UNS MALLE Were atiy aime the purpose ta the Q Wa nents were heltonstothem? A. They were ai Licnuiy Wita Us, as tiey had been for yeals. - G, Is that the only inducement? A, In a matier lige iis they ait tase sides, « Do you know A. D, Barber? A. Fdo, Q. Did he make any elforts to secure the passage oi that bill? A, bk don’t recoliect imathe did. He was my friend, and | prosume aszisied Q. Was ne ever employed by you or by any one else to your kuowledge? A, He never was. Q. bo you know or have yen been told that any money Was used or attempted to be used to secure the taAMenCe OL aby member o1 The Legislature for that measure? A. L do not know and have not been told, except through newspaper reporcs or in casual conversation that! have uot preserved in my memory, and by general ruinor, {Here the withess was examined as to what the pal nee cent bili Was, and by Woat vole it was car- ried.| Q. Barber is a man Who works around tne Legis- lature jor pay, is he noc? A, 4 presume he 1s, IGNORANT OF BARBER. Q. Did you noc understand that le was employed ‘fn the matter (tue bwo per cent bill)? A. Only from general rumor, Which does pot goveru my opinion, «, Have you not Neard so from him? A. No. ip Q, Mtave you ever had any tansaction with him which would iead you to so suppose? A. No, sir. 4. Have you ever had any money transacuons with Senator Wood? A. Some time during the year 1870 Senator Wood «dropped me a line ittro- aucing a Mr, Chamberlain to me, staung tat Uns Chamberiain was connected with a new disulling process tor making new whiskey into old (or the other way, I am not quite certain), and he desired to open an account with the ‘Yenth Na- Uonal Bank, of WNici I was a director, and asked ive to give him an iutroduction; I wrove a note to Mr. Bliss. President, and Mr, Palmer, cashier of the bank, imtroducing Mr. Chamberlain, stating the circumstances, and requesting thein to open ap ac- count with him; a day or two after Bliss and Palmer asked me it Iknew anythiag abous Chamberlain's responsibility, a8 he wanted to get a note discounted for a cortain amount; 1 dons Know the amount; I said 1 diun’t Know aa) thing avout him; they asked me 11 1 woud endorse it, and I said no; f did not propose to pat iayself on the back of any man’s paper; Caamberlaim, 1 think, calied a day or two alter at my ofiive. AS PLAIN AS A PIKESTALF; he was very persistent and annoyed me a great deal, so 1 finally said, don't Know anything avout: you, bul L know Senator Wood ts good tor the aAmonnt, and if you will get nis note or his cadorse- ment will discount 1t; a few days alter tuat he came in with Senator Woow’s note for $14,000, so L paid tt, prying. my own check, | think on ihe Tenth National Bank; he sat he only wanted the money for a 1ew montis; waeu (hat note became due Senator Wood wrote to me asking a renewal; think he sent me ® check by Chamberiain or through the mail jor the amount 01 the interest, time Uli this the same course has in 1s and from Unit been pursued; 1 think Mr, Wood must hav possession the checks for the amount of the notes were three mouths’ notes; the first was gryen some time tn the summer Of 1870; I think ia August, because the last fell due in November; the renewed note was given on the day the previous one came dé, allowing three days of grace, and 1 think all the checks tusve passed through the bank; the jast check, L think, Was drawn ou a country bank; itmay have been the Bank Of Geneseo; i am not positive; the last note came due im Noveraber last, and Senator Wood asked if I would noi let the nove Ne over for a lute while, and he woud make ar- rangements to take it up; 10 was never protested, nor any of the others; the first note given me was deposited mm THE TENTH NATIONAL BANK for collection and ihen withdrawn: this present note I have Ju my pocket was deposited in the” Ocean Baux | belleve, and those figures on tne back are theirs; the fret noie was deposited tn the Tenth National Bank about the time J received 11; all the notes gre in avout (ms same form; the majority of them, I hcheve, were renewed before they became due; if they were not renewed untit the time was up I withdrew therm, and held them unui received; they were never used eXcept to deposit in te bank for collection—were hever discounted; never haa previous to this original note any business transac- tion with Senator Wood; Mr. Wood, at that time, resided in Geneseo, #40 niles rom New York. Q. Pid My. Wood turnish you any seenrity? A. 1 never asked any: 1 taiked to Chamber; 1 was satisfied Mr, Wood was good for the amount, Q. Was Chamberlain’s name on any oi this paper ? A. Don't Kuow; Dever Consiuered his hame worth anything. ry TOUCHING FAITH. Q. Did you make any tnvestigation mto the finan- ¢lal standimg of senator Wood? A. [never did, but talked about him, and was told he stood well and ‘Was & man oi means. Q. Of whom did you inquire? A. I don’t recol- ject; } asked just as | would of you, as to what were his general characteristics; 1 could tell of nim Just as can of any member of the Senate or any | member of a body of men with whom I assoctate. Q. To whom was the money paid Whea the joan Was made originally? A. To Chamberlain, Q. Upon whose order brought me the note and lyave nim a check pay- able Lo Senator Wood's order on the Tenth National Bank, or it may have been the Broadway; lt had ac- counts with both; it was never a part of my busi- ness to loan money, but I have always veen in ine habit of loaning inoney to my triends; whenever any of my Iriends have applied to me for advanges it has always been my custom to make them as an accommodation, but not as a business; 1 néyer had any other moneyed transactions with Senator Wood except as stated. Q. Has Senator Wood ever applicd to you for a | loau except in this matter? A. Mr. Wood last winter, or winter before, 1 am not certain, was very anxious that I should become conversant with the details of that distillery business, and for that purpose Chamberiaia and Sir. Libby, whom 1 haa known betore, called on me and showed me all apout it, and Jat one time thought I would go into the business; | thougat it was A GOOD THING, but atter examination it did not look quite so well as at first, and I concluded not to go mto it; Chamberlain, when the first note became duc, came to me _ and said. he would like to take it up; | said I shonla pe very happy—mones was cash just now; oh! ne said, L don't propose to pay cash, but to give you my note for Senator Wood's; I said, 1 know Senator wood and I consider him good; I don’t know anything abont you and I intend to hold Senator Wood; then Senator Wood wrote me tie following nove:— Naw Yous, Angus bes Three months after date I promise to pay to the order of Hon. Wiliiam M, ‘weed fifteen thousand ao ine ollice in the elty of New York, with interest, Value received, Endorsed, $14,493, JAMES WOUD, [Stamps. T don’t think Senator Wood ever spoke to me on this matter; when Chamberlain was annoying ine L told him if he would get me Mr. Wovu’s obligation I could get it discounted, UNMEASURED GENEROSITY, Q. Have you made any otuer loans to Senators? A. Thave loaned Mr. Genei money: 1 don't snow of any other Senator; ifany had asked me { would Nave done 80; 1 have aiso ioaued money to other Senators at different times, who have always repaid me in money; some me ago, in reply to a letter of Senator Wood, I sent him 4 note saying that I did not wish to press payment, but irom the peculiar circumstance which had arisen in the city I would ve nappy If ie could take it up, and he wrote me a note offering to pay the whole of it if I insisted, but: he would preier to have me let it ite over ior a short time, when he would make arrangements to take it up. (Witness agreed to make search for this let- ter and submit it to committee.) Q. (Senator ALLEN)—I understood you vo say in answer to an inquiry of Senator Ames that you had no knowledge, airect or indirect, of any money in- fluences being brought to bear on Senator Wood to secure his voie or influence? A. 1 have no knowl- edge, direct or indirect. Q. You have none whatever? A. 1 have none whatever. Q. You may have indirect means of knowing the fact? A. Ihave no kuowledge or recoliection of Benator Wood's name ever having been mepiioned in-connection with money matters. = MOST EXTRAORDINARY IGNORANCE. Q Have you any knowledge with reterence to the payment of large amounts of money to any member of the Legislature in the session of 1871 to aid the passage of any bill? A. Thave not. «. No cognizance of itin any way? A. Thave no knowledge of it whatever, . a> YOu RA ID apswer ty Mr, Ames’ inoulry that 1871, A. 1 think Ohamberlatn | | you made notoans of money except in this matter | Which have not been repaid to you? A. Not that 1 | recail; if 1 have they have been paid me; there are nO outsianding poles that 1 know of—tat b against Senators; Ihave many claims against th jower house, Senator Ames—Of course we all know that there is a world of rumors in regard to the action of those Whom you 1aiuenced wita reference to tie jegisiation Of tie last three or four years at Albany, It hasy been stated that there was 4n account apt by vou or by souie one else and that you had @ copy of the account or knew ali About it, and of the amount of moneys that had been expended to secure legisiaiion at Albany, a¢ Paid 10 Various tudividuals, Now, I wish to ask you ; Whether any such amount exists or evey had ex- Istence? A, I have no knowledge of it, Q. I wish to ask whether there were ever any transactious of iat fort on the part of anyoody to your knowiedge? A, Not that f Know ot, Q. You don’t remember speading to Senator Wood about the charter in 1870? A. 1 don't Know Low 3 think I did novexcept as to the charter aud tat was because it was talked of by everybody; i Was a little excited at the time—thougut I had beep preity bualy treated; 1 was A LITELE ON THE FIGHT, Inclined to be museuiar, and 1 th: and ta Ol It all the time, dreamed of it when | w sleep, and when | woke it rose before me, like Hiamiev's ghost; I workeu very bard to pass 1b Q. Now, do yeu know, by rumor or otherwise, of | any inoney being } to Senator Wood? A, No: | except as appears the teles In the news- | papers, Q. You have no knowledge or tofo from the newspaper statemo! never suppose: fe was a pu ‘ble m Neve that in ¢ like, many other eases, imagination of the novspaper mon moves a g deal fastey than u athe . Westimouy o. Sny Goulds Jay Gould sworn, testifies as to;lows: the ely of New Yors? | Know Mr. Wor kKvuowna him about two years; Lhad no qtaitance with him; |] kaew hun by re A FRIEND O08 THA BRIE ROAD; © i often spoken ef him; during the Winter of 1570 1 firae beeame personally With dim at Albany; senator Chapm who is a gireator of our read, t duced me co him at my reuuest. in maiion except A, No, sv; os mtation as | Lvelore the interested, A. No, st rie road, and have been ever e: 1 Unk no measure was orought before the Lona of lsiv or i871 waicn Intereste! the Erie roa. Q. Was tt anticip Evie road; person imte the e1 that any subject im wile Yourself personaily, or any other sted in the Erte road inignt be : Leaisiature darms these se-stous?’ A. That is ‘RATHER A HARD QUESTION to answer; I never antier remember nothing now U interest ins Q. There was a bili passed throngh the Legisia- Known 2s the Erie Classification act, net par- ularly applicable to the Erie, aithough it was entoreed on thatroat. You knewef that measure? A. Yes; that was passed by the Legislature prior to Ihe session of 1870, Q Was it not discussed outside of the session during 1870-71 that an attempt might be made to repeal that bill? A, Itmight have been, Q. Was there no discussion coming from any quarter which might have reacie! your cars’ A. ‘There might have been, Q. Have you no recollection that there was some discussion ‘of that Sort in one quarter or anotner which reached your attention? A. Yes, sir. q. Well, sir, how intimate Was your ac ju4 with General Wood after you were nim first; how often did you meet iia? quently, Q. At Albany? A, I think never but once or twice at Albany; 1 met him frequently 1a this city. Q Was General Wood ever reiaimed as connse! for, or had he any other business connection with the road? A. Yes; he was not retained by us, but we were interested in a projected 10ad Whi was torun through his town; if was a matter o general talk and discussion; General Wood was much interested in pressing the project. Q. Where did that origmate; A. | don’t remem. ber; we have been for several ye; King to get a connection through the Genesee Q. And you wanted his influence A. I think before that he was lavorad! Q. Were there conversations heli between you— representing the Erie Company and 113 omecers—and Generai Wood; A. Yes, &F; almost always when [ | met him, Q. Did General Wood ever hoid any authoritative position With regard to that road? A, | dou't Know; never saw the list of directors, we were to become lessees of tuat road: 1 Q. On the occasion of this Interview with Wood | has he trea fmself as a pt yu Knowing any- | thing on the subject? A. He was looxed upon as an old citizen of the piace, Wnose voice would have great weight in certalil measures we desired to | CUTy Out. Q. You did not treat with him at ay time as an | oticialy A. No, siz; 1 usuaily saw bin when he came.to New Yor; he oped when he was pe \ ing through; he was aMicied this fall by vhe death | o: his wile; that brought us ia contact, througn | { making alrangements for the funeral, &c. Q. In any of your interviews with Mr. Wood have | there been avy money transaciions between yo guy sore? A. Tiere has been one single trans tion. q, When was that? A. Some time in 1570. Q. Can you call to mind the exact date? was la the winter of 1870, it during the sessioa? A. I cat ny impression 18 it was; al Woou's predecessor, Senator Liamphrey, was a very stro 2 Iriend Of ours, ani when tne time cane It ¥ { always my bhavit where vere were any meu: } bers of eliner house that had been friendly to us, + when they were put up for office Lo assist tein; Senator Humphrey came tome; he had been A SYEADPAST FRIEND OF THE ROAD i} ed any trouble and 1 L 1 bad any personal ur introduced to A. ley. ir tis project? 2 10 1F a= A. It} "tr say par- and General Wood had also been @ trend; the Oflicers of the company were also very much at- tached to him, and tue question came up about assisung Humphrey in getting the nonunation, and T decided upon assisdng hiv, and did assist him a8 against Wood to tae extens of $5,000 from my | own junds: [gave it to Senator Humphrey to use vo secure his nomimation in the district; however, | he lost the nomination, and after General Wood i was clected, Lasked Senator Ohapman, Wuo was a director in our company, to introduce me to him; 80 he introduced me to the General and told him ali about 1t; 1 cold nim what I had dove and the reavon, and he sald he was periectly satisiied, thas he had always been friendly to us, {Here Gould explained that Wood “then or sub- | sequently” spoke aout that distilling enterprise, and did not want anytning personaly, but wanted } lin (Gould) to assist Chamberlain.) Gould’s testimony then goes on:—I thought the | matter over, and {told the Gen that J would lend him $10,000; 1 did not want to be tdentified in the transaction with any of (nese parties, bat would lend 1tto him asa personal matier; I did so, and he still owes me the money; I can’t state posilively whether the transaction. bappened during the ses- sion oF not; the interview with Chapman ts vivia in my recollection, and I think it was very soon after that, but | know | felt as though, having doue | so much against him, | WE OUGHT TO GET EVEN; Iloaned General Wood $10,000 and took his note for It; 1t Was dated at the time of the transaction; paid him ta carreacy; our office 1s away up town, and, with straugers coming im town, to save the trouble of a journey down town tor the purpose of Wentification, we pay m currency. Where did thie negouation originate? At Albany or New York’ A. My recollection is tiat the General spoke to me tminediately alter the in- troduction, and the matter was under advisement some tume, and he caine down ww New York to close it: it Was not under advisement very long; 1 remember I made some little inquiry about | the business Wood was engaged in; I had no acquaintance with the persons direcily engaged in the business; | think [ made their acquaintance | vefore | closed the transaction wiih General Wood; I made Inquiry into the prospects of the enterprise, but not into their pecumiary sianding or responsi- bility, prior to making the transaction; 1 think I In. quired into the pecuniary standing and responsi- bility of General Wood; I can’t say of wnom I made Inguiries; tne most patural person would be General Diven; | know [reccived the impression that he was good: no oliver person's name but | Wood's was on the note; I have not the note with me. q Was it not given to Bradner, among other things, vo enable him at lis discretion to show it to pers ns Who tight ne cavilling at the conduct of General Wood? A. No, sir; not on my part. Q. Has Mr. Wood ever made any payments on that note? A, Nothing butinterest for one year; Ne paid it shortly after the nore was due; my reco! lection 13 that thie note was payable in one year; [ think the interest was endorsed $n the noie at the ume he pau it. . Does that endorsement bear your signature? Don't you rememver at the time you handed it to Brauner he or some oue e'se asked you to add your signature to ity A. Idon’t remember the circam- stances; he might have done go; | can’t say whether I sigued the endorsement or not; it would not be necessary; 1 don't Know whether I signed it or not iM he had asked me oi course should have done so; I gave Bradner the note some time about the suminer or fall of last year, Q. Have you ever delegated Bradner any an- thority to take any legal steps for the collection of that note? A, Not specific; | gave him my instruc. tons to see General Wood aud arrange avout tne payment, Q. Was there, at the time you made that loan to General Wood or Chamberlain, any understanding, express or implied, that he shonld form any pro- ject: which alah come before the Legtsiature, in which the Erie Railway was interested’ A. No, sit. Q You understand that to be SENATOR WOOD'S POSITION? A. T understand that his consutuency are favorable to the present management of the road, aud that he would naturally carry out ther wishes, ®Q. IfSenator Wood had been an avowed oppo- nent of the measures in the pussage of which brie was interested would you have made the loan? A. I should not of course; I make loans to none but my friends, Q, 1s it @ part of your business to loan money? A. No, personally itis not, Q Who do you meau by your friends; do you mean the persons triendly to your interests, and you don’t make any distinction between your per- sonat friends and the friends of the roaa? es, sir, 1 think any one who is friendly vo the road 1s r my friend also, Q. Have you ever had any other trana- action - with Senator ‘ood of =any.— sort of business nature? A, Nothing, except as connected with these roads, as 1 have explained, Q oo you made that loan of money have you Kept vouregli migymed iy regard to the progress of . | to commence tn the dist: | fact Edon’t know whether Cu | self on th | vectitying spirity, and ina {ing what the business which General Wood spoke to you about when he met you first? A. I wacerstood that they had nogvone so well ax they expected; I inter viewed Chumberiiin; think he ealled to see me 10 regard to the loan extension or something of the | Kind; I did not waut to talk to him about the eats declined to make arrangements with him Q. Do you know what Generat Wood did with the money Ae recetverd from your A. 1 ouly know from him and from us application it was for Ulls distil. dng business, , Do you know what he did with it immediately ? A. Ipresuine he leaned it right over to Chamber- jain; f have no positive knowledge, Q, Haye you since the present session of the Leg wilature prior to this time had any personal inter- views With Senator Wood? A. Lhad a personal tn- terview with himat the railway flee since the convening of the Legistature. He called on lis way to Albany to Uhwak me for some favor: shown his family. That isthe only mel have seen him until now. Q. Have you ever ba him on the subject of his oan? / DAN Q. Have you ever sent to Senator Wood request. mg payment of tiis!oan! A, No, siry i did’ pot propose Co press It, aad do not propose to press it now? . ig Bradner in tue city now? A. T don't know. » Whore and wien did General Wood pay you the ifterest of ‘his 20%¢ fe paid it when the note decame due, in New Yor don’t recall the tume; it was at tre end 0! . At Ule time he asked y tell you what he wanttd to do wita it? told me tac it was for Chantoerlain, Q. Did he tell you what Chamberlain’s business Was or was qvout to be » He said be was about ery business under a new any correspondence with 4 A, a for this meney did ne A. Yes, he ent. ). Didhe tell yon whether he himse}f had any esti itr A, No, sin. Was thie note duc ai ihe time you gave It to Bradner? xe. ‘ @. Did Bradne! the note of you or did you give it to lin voluntarily without his asking?” A. IT gave it to him, as | b . tO Hee Lt he ha not make some arrangement satisiactory to General Wood for the payment of it, Q. Was theve no uneerstandiag between you and General Wood, Was made in ¢o: deme mfiucne. tension of sue! t nelther direct nor™ indivec tly. 18 S point of view; i man 38 not to loan money except due to his tri the Ume the hote was Q, You stated that yon sent $5,900 to secure to se- eure the nomimation of Mp. Humphrey? A. Yes, alr, Q. Now, in that con fon, at the time yon failed to serve the end whica yormsoagit to accomplish by sending that money, of course the natural edect of hat ur your mind wonld be to botieve tnat the suc. wudidate mighs fur this reasva be untriendly 1 to yourself m cou! jon wilh KBrie;and 2, Lsuppose snd yield more neral Wood's wishes than iv he fad oceapied a ent posit a, Jor (he purpose of concilating: A. Ye bin? due General Wood called on me and said the bust. ness had not been prosperous aud his parties had not been able to respon, and that le had relied on them, and therefore coud not me all our conversation; Chamberiain more than once in relation to the matter first, 1 Cunk, when 4 was contemplating making the loa; f had nothing to do with Chamberlain; m mberiain knows [ had a note; [know nothing about the firm; what. or how much they were doing: L made the joan to Generat Wood, upon ms own honor, and L relied upon bint. Testimony of Senator Wood. James Woo!, being duly sworn, testified as foliows:—T with state what eady appearer, thay Chamberlain aad mys partners in the i on intimate my partner he was ldevable wealth; i 1854, and some litt that, he was un- fortunate in a spel yeiand, Ohi 1 suffered reverses by Which he Lost lis property; he then went to New York aad mduced me aiso to go Y business, aud we have always beeu ; wal n Chan beriain understood | there, Where a new parimership was formed oy | Chamberlain and myself and aman by the name of orton; J stayed abouy a year and practised taw Situs with them, but, not being very well fied with it, the partnership was at the end of ine year and i recuroed to Ge Obanverlun continued in, New York and wa during the v aiter 1 was elected to the Senate | was New York frequently as well as be‘ore, wien Ww Chamberlaiwand he proached to me the san- ject of tits patent and his manner of reciifying spirits, and assiiredaue tial Wo some munevy coud be rivised atormae could be mate cut of it laa short tine; he betore me and ad- vised me to See Olher Persons Interested in a pat for rectiiying Wines and liytiors, to wit, the Lily and the patenrse; L went and saw them; ley w very enthusinstivapout it, they thought there co: be no mistake: al they wa 5 to GET TELL MAC ROING} ont ys INES i i At thoy Wd that thore would be no they said distitievy ov tiuor man who would fall to avan ity ene: of It; the old man Libby, i par enunely aatistied In regard to it, and ue me iat th was ascheme whien, » Would resiit in waking large sams. went and ingde stimate of what miual incowe ivom this manner of ced me to believe it, and then sand in my position | could induce someboiy to raise money, $0 that they could goin; they had already, they sald, invested $40,000 in its believ- was said to me I cast abont see where | could raise the money; Thad become acquainted with Jay Gould im the manner stited by hin; 1 Knew that the officers of the Erie road jad made a strong effort to prevent my pominauon to the nate, and In January Jay Gould was introduced to me by Senator Chapman, ove of the directors of said road, and Gould assured me there Wis no hoattlity to me that cuused the uenlar, Hinally convin beyonta dou o} money: i woutd be tli officers of the road [0 inake an elfort to defeat me «and nominate flumphrey, and expressed iviendly feeling; that was January; this negotiation about raising money occurred in February or Maren; | went to Gould and stated to him the sftttation of things, what believed about it, and that with a year’s time L could have $10,000, the money could be repaia and the persons interested could be in the receept of a large income; be said he would consider it, and make some Inquiries and let me know; before the ist of April he intimated to me when | was in New York that Ieeould rely upon hw the money when 1 got ready to ask for it; on the 1th day of April, 1670, L wasin New York and went to Jay Gould with Chamberlain and there he handed to me, m currency, the $10,000, and L gave him my note; with that money 1 went directly to the Bowling = Green Savings Bank, knowing nothing of that bank except the jenry fact that 1 had learned from Hastings—that Smith was President; | knew nothing abo. other oficers of the bank, but from the fact that was down in the lower end of tne city I interred without any es that it was an oll ‘established savings ban: did not examive to find that It was one of the new savings hanks created under the law of 1868; }knew nothing about who the frustees wer; 1 had no idea that eitner Senator Tweed or any other weed was mterested in tt: I had become acquainted with Henry Smith duriag the winter, as he was here, INTERESTED IN VARIOUS SCHEMES before the Legislature, aud was understood to be a friend of tue admimetration and a strong repubil- can; [stated to tne officers of the bank that that money Was deposited substantially for the bveneiit ot Chambertain, and that he would draw it upon my checks, Which I shouid leave witn him in blank, to be endorsed by hun; Chamberlain and myself signed our names on the “signature book,’ I think they call it; 1 took acheckbook and left it with Chamberlain, and being desirous of using a part of the money myself the same day I drew a check payable to the cashier of the Livingston County Savings Bank for $1,000, which I sent to him; there ls the check (producing it); tae checks drawn by Chamberiain L hold m my hand; when I took the bauk book there to be written out the vouchers were returned to me, aad I left them in the city of New York with a nephew who live; there and bas charge of some of my papers; Ruel 1. Blake is a citizen of Livonia, Livingston county; as long ago as 1360 ne was supposed to be worth $150,000; he got invoived iu embarrassments in purchasing wool with @ man by the yame of Carroll; ue result of it was that ne had to pay for Carroll some $70,000, and from that time he began to go down; | was nis counsel before 1 went to the war, and assisted him in raising money from bis securities to pay up the claims against him; when [ got back from the army J found that in the course of these diMmculties he had come to the Bank of Dansville (which asunder the con. trol of the Bradners), and they held a mortgage of $26,000 on about 609 acres of land, and held a judg- Ment against him for $5.000, which was @ general Hen on all the land; he owned in the towns of Uo- nesus and Livonia some 1,800 acres ol land; he was a bachelor and had become careless and negligent; judgments were obtained against fim, 80 that on the Ist of May, 1870, with these mortgages that [have exurbited here, one being foreclosed and the otner threatening foreclosure, there were | Judgments and executions im the hands of the Sheriff amounting to six or elgni thousaad dollars, and there was the interest in the sradner mort. gages, which he could not pay, 80 that he was under @ general embarrassment; he applied tome during the winter to raise money m some Way to assist him; he had bad a good deal of litigation with the Bradners rowing out of this incebtednesss, and had settied it in the way J state by giving tacse mortgages and allowing the judgment to stand; the Equitable Lite Insurance Company has 11s oflice in New York; I have long been acquainted with Mr, Alexander, counsel for the company; during that winter they said they nad A SURPLUS OF MONEY which they would loan on bonds and mortgages in the couutty, and asked me to act as thelr agent 1 obtaining loans; I told them that I would be willin, to do so: Blake said to me that he desired me in some Thy, bgt inoney for him on bis Peery to im relieve h rom his embarrassmentss f told him I would do it, and I applied to the Equitable to take the assignment of these mortgages and advance the money on them. (Witness went on im great detail to explain this matter.) He then referred to the loan of $15,000 made by ‘Tweed, as followe:—Champerlain and Libby, not content with what they had got out of , in the summer of 1870 commenced t fe me to use all my iofluences With Senator them the privilege of opening an accougt jn some of the banks in which he was interested; also wanted me to use my influence if I had day to in- duce Senator Tweed to go into the business them, believing bong hey could tid more capital the ite would corres| ingly lat wrote a note to Tweed asking him if gen men presented a paper which his bankers would consider was @ No. 1 I would be obliged to him if he would allow them open an account; ia reply 1 gob mo ngte saying, “send NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY, MARCH 16, 1872—TRIPLE SHEET, your {rena to me and 1 wilt do what I can for him” | Tnegouated with him for some tune; ra tae mouth t of September I was in New York and thoy sate they had failed and asked me to go and see Went lo him soleiy for the purpose of se could obtain the accommodations for tie they wantet; after talking with Pweed about it fo & While he voluntarily said, ow, see here, | dida’ | Know these men; ido Kaow you; if you want (en, fiileen or tweity thousand doliars you ea buve Jt, and you ean let them have it; { would rater du that than tave any dealings with Lhem:” ( was Weak enough to asaent to it; Tweed Wrote « note himvell: Isigned it; ne gave nls ehees upon the Teru National Bank, as 1 remember, payable to my order; Tendorsea the check over to Champerlat, and le took it; there is the note ane tee that I gave Tweed; i: is dated 27th Se Unt Was tae date of that transaeiion Jor 916,000, payab.e Liree months alter date, at 400 West Lifteenth syeei, New York; that is ihe place of business of the-e meg Here witness gave a gy deal of testimony avout SMALL NATIERS OF NO IMPORT NEF. As to Tweed and Barber “scevig’’ lim he tested Qs follow! ver liad & private inierview Wild Wilitam Mi, a duvins the lume Una’ Bevate in Wie; 1 only knew Ba bever Was in als Yoom Hor he n a@ private consuitation with him, ne Jobby agent, or With any othe iudiivetly pur the eharier wi iwi , Whe ine porsue ance of a canvass of tie n Sepa. iors. y the =x bk hot B repws ators voled, | after HEIG Was to Tweed 1 never voted for any one of ine measures, Lue i bly Voled agaist them if i kuew wey were been sine { have been to the tatyre any lion connected with the Erie potd iat fy aWare Of, nor has auY Oficer ol (hat road cve! pYOLCREE ME ON bie subject Of Any Ie, tive there never lias ir. Bua ts, L understood, vaine Lo me and vc int to passage of v dul to repeal the Ula ation Rely Tim that & was in favor oi its repeat and would Vote for ttt ne would gek ihe bil before fie ute; he wanted to Know how he Shon doit: F told hin y, and he Maas go to Some member ot recommended lin io senator Nal r was the only time Lever talked with aay regard to brie legislation; what M enurely proper and rmght; | voted aya Per Cent dill; L suporied the Code smendineni but not any su reporied the last days of th House; tne pill can be x nsual provisions; it pas back to tie House; it came Which provided iat NO AVE GENDRAL AND SPRCIAL ts kom THE ” tha of Apy lis H Unies sovnvity Wes given, as in to that Lwas opposed, and at was OVEd TO NOn-CO and a {conte : that commit winted and 1 Weis Ou it; We Went the douse receded fy thar tifeve were one or iWo ainend the Attorney General, which ad th that form the bill was to be roa. Agreed to, dered; tic Chairman of the Hotee comaitee Ob Fields) took tie hil and amendments, Which wera on slips of paper, to draw the report; he dvew the report aud bPousie Ib 10 Ane just at the close of the sesstou, While Twas engaged in another committee of conterer mianced it over hastily, | saw nothing that was vot rach, and sigaed 1; 1 did not know tat 1 any other politician pat any interest in anything that was in that bls 1 ean. not teli whether 16 was altered after 1b passed and before It went to tue Governor; 1 cau only say that | did motsee the provisions that were In the bill when it when it weal ‘before the Governor, | transaction and deposits, ag regards ain, were diawa and made.) Q. ‘Tne stock In THAT WHISKEY BUSINESS stands in your name? A, Yes sir, wid all property as security for advances. Q. What proportion is owned by you and what by Chamberlam th point of fact? A. There was an Mnuerstanding about it; J understood that winitever profits are made out of it we are to divide equally uitimately, Q. Are you to divide the stoc! Ad had notning to di Ghat was ail p psot Hnamye lain, then? A, Yes, sir: [ didn’: consult my own te terest very mmeh in this maiter; 1 wanted co get himgoingaf I con'd, Q. By My Allen—Did you keep any bank account | in any other banks except this Bowling Green Bauk | and the Genessee Valley Bank’ A, None avail, the K ultimately? Q. wid you have any oblir Mics account in any other New York city bank ¢ ab all. i Q. Did you borrow any othe e amounts oF money of any individual during the years 1870 and 48717 A. LT did not Q. T mean as much as $6,000? A, Tborr mouey Ol anybody except these sums; th other thing f hal hr, perhaps, to say in ill nominations lor county oficers in our county I las vored Non i} DECKER FOR COUNTY J 1 was Chairman of the County Ce! he was nominated; Iwas away a great (iva! oi Une atten ting upon my wife In New York; so far as Lwas abie and opportunity occurred T used all My tnfluence to aud best endeavors to secure the election of Dec: the deteat of Decker was due lo the defection of &@ man who Was @ candidate for member of Assemby In Sptingwater and tailed to get it, and a disaffection wowards Decker in ne of the Other towns, growing out of lus professional business, and to the activity of a powerinl snd wealthy lamily of Metcar, of which Samuel D. Faukner was one, the democratic candidate tor County Judge; also to the defection of the Irends of Judge Hubbard. (fhe remainder of the Senator’s testimony re- lated entirely to the election In Uils district, } Testimony of Waiter Rocke, Walter Rocie, being sworn, testified, among ovher things, that he and Mr. Tweed were very Inendly aud knew each other very intimately: I was mei- ber of the Board of Supervisors ap to Juuc, 1570; 1 used to operate fo some exicat in real estate, ana Lb have borrowed money Jrom hum at different times and paid him again. Q. Did you ever have any conversation with *tr. ‘Tweed im relation to the action of members of tue Legisiature, Seuate or iouse, while he was inere? | A. [think not, but may have nad. } Q. Dia sou with enybody else at that time? A. [ have been @ strict business man, aud always too much engaged in ousiness matcers. Q, Bat whenever you saw Senator Tweed did you not discuss these subjects? A. 1 don’t vnink 1 have, excepting general conversation. Q Were you never tnlormed by anybody that members 0! the Legislature were paid money or other consideration, except bare argument, to m- duce them to support this or that measure? A. I think I bave, bu! cannot say by Whom: not by any individual that | now haye any recollection of, | Q. Did not you know that it was claimed that > during the past two Icgisiative sessions which would inelude only the last Senate of 1s70 and 1871, did you not Know from Information from any source , that members of elther House or Senate were paid | mouey for their votes upon diferent measures? . 0, MY, SUPERVISOR ROCHE ! A. No, sir; 1 might have had conversation and such iniorimation as might come from the reports; , we nave had nothing but such reports, and it was the universal topic of couversation on the frauds of all descriptions and nature, particularly during the Jast year; I had nota conversation with anybody whose testimony would be worth anything in re- gard to them. { Q Now, Mr. Roche, J have been told (I don’t Know how true Lt is; I find there 1s not a gréat deal | ot credit to be given to everything I have been told) that you had seen or have had read to you a statement or copy made tp one way or auother—I | was told it was in cipher—of a list of Senators to whom money hadbeen paid and the amounts which were paid to cach; have you seen such @ list? A. T | have heard that uiere was such an account but haye | never seen It. a | Q. fave you ever been told by anybody the names | of Senators or the amounts of money paid to them? A. Not that Lam aware of; I may have heard som thing in general couversation; Lam quite certain that have never had the names of Senators, { HEAVENS! OF COURSE Nor! " Q, Did anybody ever tell you that large amounts of money had been paid to Senators A, Not ovherwise than in a general way; by no person to my knowiedye. . Have you ever seen any such record? A. No, | UDGRS itral Committe sir. Q, Or anyone connected with that firm or asso- | ciationy A. No, sir. Q. You never met Senator Wood to know him until today? A. No, iv; never had any conversa: | ton with Senator Tweed about this account, i Q. Do you recall wny statement made to you by the President a3 to how the account came to be brougas there? A. [ have no recollection whatever; | I spoke to Mr. Smith. avout the several letters; 1 think the statement of Mr. Wood’s account las been made since the bank has been in the hands of a re- \h ceiver; Sheppard J. Knapp 1s receiver. Q. Atthe time you spoke to Mr. Smith about the | letters did he secin to understand and know about the account? A. [ sald there was @ gen- tieman named Wood;.F am not positive; I said Senator Wood, and that there were several letters | written about his account, aad that the bookkeeper | or secretary or somevoUy else has spoken to mo | about them, and [ nad told him to take no notice; | 1 at first supposed it might be possibly an inquiry | 4 to whether there was some money in the bank vy | some one having a claim against him; but then some time shortly aiter there was a notice in the papers of Senator Wood having a very large ac. | count, or someting lke that, and then I was | astonished to see my name as being abie to give | your committee information; 1 may have seen Senator Wood in the bank, but 1 have- no recoliec+ tion of it; I never saw A CHEOK OF SENATOR WooD | and I never knew of any money being paid on his | account; there. was @ paying teller ani secretary; the paying reli r recat and enters checks; Picket was paying teller ant) Lhis year, . At thé time you informed Mr. Smith that these lotters were being written inquiring avout Senator Wood’s account what did he say? A. I told Mr Smith that the bookkeeper or Selmes had inforined | me of several letters being recetved iquiring about the avor Woou—1 tor—and = that smiths a owes on me ~ Bm Bal wi d was the extent of our conversation: he cid not seem to have any special knowledge of that account; T know nothing of the charges; we Kept an open account, which could be drawn on without @ de. | $$ $$$ , Memory elle me the seeretary savi sometin | Obliged to endorse them; whether it was hoe or not; 1 th : came from Genessee. Hak gome oftne letters q Generally, do you Kuow throu 2 hand these checks caine to tie bank? “ au tern mboney Was tobe drawn on “¥ a and somebody else Was to dep oats q Lo you know Reniy Chamberiain doin: tne business spoken of ner A. ON Testinovy of Bank’? mith. Henvy Smith was the next witn Who, after Stating that Ne Was @irector im steamooat and au sorts ef to , testitied that he used to goty Albuny for lwo or three days every week da jee he Festus OF 1970; he has Do ioformation twat imoney Woe used to Influences legiaiation other tia: tie genera! O! the professtonal 1obh ists; cor hoe any of them were ployed to 1 Measure whiter Logris Of STO-EIE ken 43 de 2081- or at tie wy vite he waz Pt mars Us the bank when im Jettors .vom virtous Woou’s account; in Witu wWonted iv use the let crs first he knew of Woxit's x Wt the bank Was info Hugh Iasuags; ¢ iv in a lank Loe upon; ba tat was all; he mad out mi ak vaste {Qin ? you did he ie to you a Wood Was anxious to piace His money i some ALK Were 15 could be keys trom the Knowledse of the public—where no one Would hear of 1? A, No, giv; there was ne s¢ ly he never bad any » conversat! Ww yout this depe hia 01 uy Uie topokrtiaent of a re the bans aod hac his money v r Wood— Who wits 2 bid bat he 1 upon you i. Ke 1 A ttn tivee diferent pe bout s slieations; cb orders that no nt to tne hh nik ald gave all be giv By senator Allea—About what time were these PPUGAUONS Mad Before the cleciton of Sena- 1 wad nob Wood tas dal!, after fis nomiaation: ho i re. wd £ 1owd tes mony of Eugh Casting jolts Hastings, belng duty swora, testided as fole ows: 4. Jiwve you seen the statement made in the payers about Ceaeral Wood waking a deposit im Bank? A, Les, sire stida to titin With re- psit of money th that bank to making any de viy ection is that the suggestion came ma this Way: ab. Wood wanted to Kuow when | was going down. « A. Yes, str; I said, “lam 18 Was in Albany? down, | tbink, to-morrow’? ne said, “f Qave What bagi do i golug got to do some banking business: you west that ts best lo go to?’ Mr, Uenry Smith Was standing close by us al the ume, and 1 sai, “There 48 the President of THE BOWLING GREEN SAVINGS BANK.” Q. Ide Mr. Smith hear thaty A, 1 think not, isall you have to say about the subjes pt that t charter as much as Mr. Greeiey d a rood election law; 1 was on te republican side of the Houve, opposed to the charter, at the solicita- uon of several leading men of tne young demo- eracy. O. How long have you and General Wood been acquaiated with encit ofer? A. Lwenty-.our or or Lwenty five years, | guess; | undetstood General Vood to say he was golpg to advaace Cham lam some money to aid him io tae disuillag busine-8 or Whatever bustuess they hid; Dhad ne | conversation with lim about hts making deposits im other banks here, nor ot his having any; he came to. see me one day, When In New York, about raising: some money, und had some conversation win ma on that point, and 4 told bin my bauk ac not very long, Icould not be of any ave ty hams he did hot say how much money he wanted to ratse, but he said a good sum; lie asked me to lovn it to him, and | deciined, «% Doyou know of an money being used in the Legislative to influence Jegisiation during the ses. slo Of 1670 or 18717 A. No; str. q jlave you heard from any parties that they knew iat money was used, exciusive o1 What you nave heard rom rumor? A, No, except from mere. rumor; but i bave no doubt in ny Own mind that there was. Deo you know of Senator Wood ever receiving, wing or ctainioy any large sums of money A. No, sir; no? to Iny Knowledge borr from any sov or iniormaiion, excepting what T have seem staied In the newspapers: I never tad any datornation from persons who claimed to have loaned him large sums of money, Q. Were you inquired of by any person about his * responsibility with a view to lending him money ? A MY impression is that Senator Tweed asked ine vy it knew anything about GENERAL WOUD'S PECUNIAILY RESPONSIDILITY. 1 told min no, Fait not know muea al thought ne was’ oot for asmall amount; 1 some remarks of that Kind: my imaprestion is had this conversation with Mr. ‘Tweed about or eightesn months ago, but {do not remen: netly: went to see Mr. a weed with rezard lo anv aipount Which was owing for an adverusement ip the cominercial Advertiser which we tad some tronvie in vetting; in the course of conversation he ward vo me, “Vo you know Mr. Wood very well?” reter to Senator Wood, rand 1 answered, “Yee, sir; | kuow him :"? he said, “What do you know abont hit means; [said, “f don’t Know a great deal about his means ;’ he asked me some other questson=, and ny response was that ne—Geaeral Wood—was gomi ora small amount; whar we call a sinaill amount in New York 1s about—I suppose 18 about r ten thousand dollars. q. Ind you know anything, directly or indirectiy, other than throug the newspapers about any money having been paid to Seaator Wood with a view to imfluence his action in the Senatey A. I don’t know. q. No Knowledge of any kind other than what has appeared in the newspapers on thatsubjeos? A, ‘Tnat is all the information | have, Q. Or o1 any accommotation ever afforded him in Which & note was given to Mr. Tweed? A. 1 know ou na that t ; Of no accommodation, but I suspect there would be SOME BUSINESS TIANSACTIONS when a man inquires about another's means; I have no vecoilection ot any other vonversanon with Mr. Tweed with reference to General Wvod, or with regard toany matter connected with this airair, or any other aifairs connected with General Wood's matiers; 1 pelleve the public prints stated that Mr. ‘Tweed loaned money to General Wood. Q. The papers say shat General Wood got $10,000 rom Mr. Gould; do you know anything about W? A. No, sir, L know nothing about it at all; [never was in the interest of the Krie road, and cout’ not know very well. Testimony ef Heury Chamberlain. “enry Chamberiain was sworn and examined by Mr. Wood. After giviug the detiuls of his business: transactions he came down to one of the tranyace tions witn Gould, Q. What was done with refer- ence to raising the money, If anything? A. I can’s teli just wow quick; the matter was pending be- tween us some weeks, aud in April you camo down aad said you had made arrangements for the money, and [could have it; you said you could borrow the ant from Mr, Gould, and I went with you to Goula’s, Q. What was done? A. You borrowed $10,000; alter we came away you asked where we had bet- ler deposit the me and you spoke avout de- positing it to my credit; I did not want it 60; there were some old matters of mine which would not permit me to have a bank account in my name, and trom veing luterested in the business 1 said it had better be arranged in some other Way; then you suggested tnat you would deposit the money and give me the batk book and check book, and you would sign the checks payable to my order; we went down the street to the Bowling Green Shvings Bank and you asked mo something about that bank; I told you I did not knOW much about if, but that I supposed it was perfectly good; we went to the bank the same day or the next day after the mouey Was procured and we had a talk with one of tue officers; you told them how you purposed to do the business by sigu- ing blank checks (ey he to my order, w Did I teil them the money was deposited to ve drawn by you? A. Yes, sir, to be used by me in the whiskey business; you left your name on tie book of signatures; then they satd they would need aa name in the book, because the checks Woukl be paid to my order, aud I would be Di I left my signature, (The witness here described what fie alleged was done with the money in the distlimg enterprise.) Q How did you get the money: A, The money that was deposited there im the bank was used through the summer, aud then tt was necessary to have more inoney; f drew the money by blank checks lest by me for you to endorse, and 1 tilled ag { wauted them; It was the undersiuding that you should se some portion of that money if you wanted to; 1 gave you all ie macuinery at security. (Witness hore described what was the cost of the building they occupied for thelr busines: and other detatis a8 to how the money Was spent. then continued—Wien we get alo into August we needed more money; used to see you from ‘ume to ume, aud told yor about if, aud tue company at & meeting of the dt- rectors authorized me to borrow NOt more tia thirty thousand dollars on the credit of the com: pany, for the carrying ou its business; then Informed you of that aud commenced negottauons: Mr, Libby suggested that you being acanaluted wit Mr. Tweed, and Tweed being largely interested the Tenit National Bauk, that @ word trom hit would enable us get what discount: we a at La ae ate ae po you after wal role to NK to" Mr weed on the subject; I think w was in July or August jasi, and you then encl ye a letter Som ir. ‘weed, saying to you wo senc ur i lend Chamberlain to him and he would try arrange yith the bank xo that we could have what money we wanted; | was elected ‘Treasurer of th New York Company; } went to see Mr. Tweed pose half a dozen Umes; sometimes I not, bat he gave me a letter to Mr, Bitss, the deut of the Tenth Nattonal Bank, introdue ry ying I would tell lym What we wan and hoped if it was all right the bank would try accommodate us; I saw Mr. Bliss and told him wi we were doing with reference to Mf, WOOD AND MR. LIBBY AND THE REST 0) pedelagr gome (a ayy eoutusiou cect wn * Senator Wood's account’ was special; tt Boa oech as ony time to draft without the pro- daction of a book; 1 tink one letter was signed by @ man named Colburn; Lknow a gentionan of that Dame who resides ju Kings county, bul } capnot tel + amount of paper I had which was entirely satisiacs CONTINUED ON TENTH PAGE,