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. . SPORTS. THE EVENING STAR, N, \D C., THURSDAY, FEBRUARY " 92, 1923. SPORTS. Greb-Tunney Fight Exciting Inferest : Police Fail to Stop Chicago Boxing Show “MY THIRTY YEARS IN BASE BALL” LIGHT-HEAVY TITLE BOUT HAS FANS ALL HOPPED UP Experts Doubt Gene’s Ability to Defeat Pittsburgh Windmill, But Dethroned Champ’s Supporters Demand Only “Impartial” Referee. BY FAIR PLAY. for the li the Madison Square Garden N W YORK, February 2—That Harry Greb-Gene Tunney fight ht heavyweight championship, which will take place at tomorrow night, is exciting a great deal of interest. As the writer predicted, the betting has failed to reflect th sentiments of a lot of the critics who have a habit of picking Greb on the short end of any battle in which he enters. The best experts believe that unless Tunney has made great progress he will hardly prevail over the Pittsburgh windmill. the papers he will go into the battle under somethin, For they have been howling about what the referee of this battle should do and should not do. New York papers. that is. But if Greb reads of a handicap—the They have even dragged Kid McPartland, who refereced the first Greb-Tunney battle, into the public eye. and panned him for not having thrown Greb out of the ring and had him executed for his encounter One gathers the impression now that Greb did no fighting save with the top of his head and that night and the call is for a reff who will disqualify him the first time he pulls any rough stuff. One may fmagine that all this is not dis- tasteful to those who are EOIng to bet on Tunney, inasmuch as a fighter who goes into the ring with the double burden of pleasing a hyper- critical refree and beating an opp: nent has a real job on his hands Chairman Muldoon has not named the referee for the fight as yet and probably won't until the last moment. scented is this game of pugilism that the state athletic com mission has deem it the part of di: cretion Tot to let certain gent know who will be the third man until shortly before a bout starts. expedient, by the way, has helped a 1ot to make boxing cleaner. Dempsey Golng Abroad. Talk that Jack Dempsey will go to Furope before spring comes around is getting more and more pointed Dempsey needs a fight or two to put Lim in shape for more important bouts later in the summer in this and it looks to be a cinch he bouts. In England, where they would pay well to see Jack in action, there vs Beckett, and it would su no one if announcement were - in the near future that Demp- This | alleged unfair tactics in that initial | sey had signed to meet the glass-jaw | marvel in London. his elbows | | Jack Bulger, who i | take Mickey Walker over to England | to meet Ted Kid Lewis, in a battle for the world welter championship, says {that he has good authority for the statement that Jack Kearns and | Dempsey will go to London on the | same “ship that he and Walker will take. Wagker's prospective opponents are Lewfs, Benny Leonard and Lew Tend- | ler, a serics of battles through which he'is expected to pick up at least $150,000. | (Covyrighe, {FIRPO RETURNS TO U. S. TO SEEK HEAVY HONORS | NEW YORK, February 22—Luis | Angel Firpo, South America's bidder for the world heavywelght boxing | champlonship, arrived here today on the steamer Southern Cross from | Buenos Aires | “He is matched to meet Bill Bren- |nan at Madison Square Garden next | month. Brennan has been the buffer of all recent claimants to a title match, and stands as the officlal trier | out. | Firpo went back home last summer |after dropping a trio of third-raters. |In Argentina he is a national hero and already considered Dempsey's | successor. preparing to 1923.) On the Side Lines With the Sporting Editor By DENMAN THOMPSON. ] * that Frank Brower is being first-base position with the Tribe. HE unconditional release of Stuffy McInnis by the Cleveland club is of particular interest to Washington fans, because it indicates given serious consideration for the In announcing their action and at- tributing it to the fact that Mclnnis is “n& worth the money being paid hin Is of the Indians let it be known that Brower will fight it out with Louis Guisto for the regular assignment at the initial sack, although there is a possibility that the scrap may become a three-cornered affair by the addition of Glenn Myatt, the $50,000 catcher obtained from Mil- waukee, as a candidate for the job. Although Brower's activities with the Gritfmen were confined largely | to outfielding, due to the presence here of the capable Josephus Judge, it was at the initial corner that Turkey put in most of his time when he was earning slugging honors with Reading, and he always has said that if given an opportunity to play regularly, no matter where, he would guarantee to carve a batting average of 335. Now it appears the popular Virginian is to get his chance. His host of friends in this section will be pulling for him to make good. The passing of McInnix ix of gen- eral interest, however, in view of the fact that hix name has been added to a long list of notables who have dropped out of the big show in the paxt season or so and that many others of about equal prominence are on the ragged edige. Those who already have felt the keen edge of the ax include Clyde Milan, Jim Shaw, Hal Janvrin, Ferdie Schupp, Doc Johnston, Jack Graney. Al Sothoron, Ray Caldwell, Ping Bodie, Bobby Roth, Dutch Leonard, Joe Wood, Pep Young, Slim Sallee, Duster Mails, George Whitted, Dave Robertson and Phil Douglas. Others who are rapidly fadingand soon may be expected to pass out of the picture include Frank Baker of the Yankees, Nemo Leibold and John Collins of the Red Sox, Eddie Ainsmith and Jacques Fournier of the Cardinals, Eddie Foster nd Timmmy Austin of the Browns, Zeb Terry of the Cubs, Jake Daubert of the Reds, Babe Adams of the Pi- rates and Casey Stengel of the Giants. Allan Russell, now n member of the Natlonalx, is another whowne time ix belleved to he limited, and wome insixt that Walter Johnwon cannot carrsy on much farther, but they have been anying that about Barney for several sea~ mons mow and the Kanxan still is doing bunsinexs at the old stand. Grant’s Career Picturesque. George Washington Grant, from whom Christy Mathewson and his associates have just purchased the Boston Braves, has had a most pic- turesque career. It began in Cin- cinnati when, as an office boy, he used to carry message for Ban Tohnson, at that time sporting edi- tor of a newspaper there. Grant later became conductor ori a horse car in Cincinnati, and, after becom- ing well acquainted with the horse- men at the Latonia track, across the river from the city, acquired a rac- ing stable and came east. Subse- quently. Grant became manager of Norman Selby, better known as Kid McCoy, and piloted his affairs when McCoy appeared in many of his most important ring engagements. Later Grant became a broker in New York, and prior to entering base ball took a flier in the movie in- dustry. Matty Answers Skeptics. In answer to the natural skepti- cism felt by Boston fans over the change in ownership of the Braves, whereby Mathewson, who needed| financial aid to wage his long fight against disease, becomes president o¥ the club, Bix Six has the follow- in” to say: Ehp 5 T can see that it is quite logical for Boston base ball fans to surmise that the New York Giant manage- ment is behind the move. T honest- Iy believe that my return to base ball will come as a distinct surprise |owned by Harry Frazee. to John McGraw. “I wish to make it emphatic that my associates and myself will take no orders from any one in planning moves to strengthening the Boston club. I would not have considered for one moment a re- turn to the game If I was not to act purely on my own initiative, I am back in base ball Xecause I love the game and beciuxe sy physi- clans have told me I could do so.” Chance Has Right Idea. Far from being dismayed wt the job confronting him as pilot of the ,goiug about the task in a spirit that promises to_largely overcome an- tipathy of Hub fans to the club Chance has no illusions regarding a pennant, or even landing in the first division, but is confident he can give Boston fans a team they will feel like root- ing for. “It is not so hard to work with a nine like that as it is with one of which a championship is expected,” says Chance. “Where they look for a pennant, they look for pennant base ball every day in the week, but where they look for a ball club they may look for nothing more than a fight, and that is what we are going to give them. A good, fighting team leads to something better, and I'm going to try and give Boston a team that will put out the best that it can all of the time.” That's exactly what Donle Bush will try to do for Washington fans ‘with the National ‘The midget and the Peerlexs Leader have much in common this ye: Griff's Rookles Balking. ‘With Catcher Pete Lapan added to the lixt of players signed to Washington contracts there now re only three outside the fold— Pitcher Dad Hankins, Pitcher God- frey Brogan and Third Baseman Bili Conroy. Hankins’ home s in Tampa and there i little doub: that he will be lined up when Griffith reaches the training camp next week, but there is some ques- tion nbout the other two, and more fmportant, proapects. It will be recalled that Brogan 1axt fall refused to come to Wash- ington for a preliminary inspection because the Charleston club of the Sally League refused to give him a share of his purchase price, $5,000. In addition to demanding that his claim aguinst Charleston be ad- justed, Brogan has informed Grif- fith that a recent iliness has left him in poor condition, xo that the littie wouthpuw who “resembles Dick Kerr” as at pitcher and “may prove another Chariey Jamieson with the bat,” may be conspicuous by his absemce when the roll is called at Plant Field next Thurs- day. Conroy’s case unquestionably has to do with money. Although Presi- dent Grifith makes it a rule mot to discuss for publication financial arrangements between the club and its players the fallure of Con roy to ‘aboard the band wagon can mean only one thing, that he is demanding more coin of the realm than he is thought to be worth. Griff contends that no player is a hold-out until he refuses to show t the time designated, case of Conroy is March 7. view of the fact that Wade and Hollingsworth, his team mates at Minnea; , aoccepted terms with lttle delay, Conroy's refusal to sign indicates his de- mands are unreasomable for & rookie who has yet to demonstrate that he ean make good in a big league. He and Evans are regard- ed as the leading candidates for the third base job and Griff will be keenly disappointed 1t he fails o sbow up, but his only comment n the subject is that the terms submitted to Conroy are final. “He can take ‘em or leave ‘em.” says tail-end Red Sox, Frank Chanege is! BY JOHN J. McGRAW, Manager New York Giants, Three Times World Champior (Released Exclusively Through the North American Newspaper Alliance.) Analyzing the Players on McGraw’s Champion- ship Team of All Time. Infielders and Outfield- ers Who Contributed Innovations to Game. DOUBT ii anybody will dispute my selection of Eddie Collins as the greatest second baseman of all time and, therefore, entitled to a place on the all-American team of all time. At any rate, there is no doubt in my mind about it. In pick- ing him I have been fully mindful of the greatness of such men as poleon Lajoie. It's pretty hard to select any team and leave Lajoie off. Still, Eddie Collins, in my opinion, is_entitled to the honor. There Is nothing that Collins does not know about playing that impor- tant position. The Giants played against Eddle in several world cham- plonship games in which we were de- feated. 1 have been a stanch ad. mirer of that young man's abllity ever gince. I saw him make his first play, and, as a pivot man on a double play, 1 don't remember ever having seen’ his equal. As an all-around men he is superb. ~Not only does he play the game, but he thinks it. Rare are the occasions when Collins does not anticipate the play. To cross him is almost impossible. ~ And he is just ag forceful on the offensive as the de- fensive. His mental attitude ls an inspiration to his fellow-players In the selection bf a shortstop there {memof ROGER CONNOR LASTED 20 | YEARS AS A BIG LEAGUER| ROGER Clun. Troy City Troy City Troy Chty New York N York York York York York York R York New York Philadelphia New York N.Y.& St. L. St. Louis St. Louls Chicago League. Nationa National National National Nation National National National National National Natfonal National National National Total, twenty years BY FREDERICK G. LIEB. HE George Kelly of an earlier era of Giants was Roger Con- I nor, first baseman of the “We are the People” Giant world cham- pions of 1838 and 1889. And Roger could take his toe-hold at the plate| and slam them out just as far as the husky California nephew of old Bill Lange, who now graces first base for McGraw's titleholde: Among other things Roger the first baseman. a in runs. He ranks fourth among the major league players of all time in carrying runs across the plate, and his total output is only twenty-seven behind that of Wagner. The four lead ing run-getters of major league hi tory are as_ follows: Wagner, 1,740; Cobb, 1,723; Keeler, 1,719, and Connor, 1713 Connor lasted a full twenty years in the majors, nineteen of them being spent in the National League: His only year of defection came in 1890, when Roger, with most members of the Giant champlons, left John B. Da and Jim Mutrie flat and threw in the lot with the Players’ Leagu Roger eventually drifted away from New York and landed in St. Louis in 1894. To show how he felt about get- ting away from the Giants, on June 1, 1895, Roger slapped Jouett Meekin, one of New York's prize twirlers, for six hits, totaling ten bases, in six times at bat. While on this batting tear Connor whaled out eight hits in -.2338 8,604 | | | "EDDIE COLLINS, Named by McGraw as the greatest sec- ond baseman of all time. is no going behind the returns. 1 doubt if there is a base ball man in the United States who would not se- |lect Hans Wagner for shortstop for any team, no matter how great, with- out a_ moment's hesitation. I have never heard of anybody pointing to a man as the possible peer of Wagner. He stands out above all. In these 1 have already devoted & CONNOR'S MAJOR LEAGUE BATTING & sS4 AR, 0 2| bat is sufficlent 275 eight tim at two in his last two preceding game Connor_collected twelve .300 aver- ages In his twenty years, and has a lifetime batting average of .315. He had up in the 4s he times | scored over 100 runs in eight seasons, | April | tember 20, reaching his best mark, 134, in 1890, the vear he spent with the Playvers’ League. Perhaps we had better omit this Tec- ord of Roger's. He is tied with five | other culprits for making five errors in a singie game. frightful day on May 1852, while s playing with Troy in the N: The other fiv al gue player: e Lo ettiein Connor had his a-game as follows 29,1 Philadelphia, terbrook of d_Dan Buffalo, July Brouthers of Bui 1881 On May 9. 1888, Connor slapped out three home runs in one game. It was quite an afternoon for homers for the ants, as they bagged seven all told In addition to Connor's three, Danny Richardson, Mike Tiernan. Tim Keef and George Gore each bagged one. Seven home runs for one team in a game is the major league record. It has been done only four times. In ad- dition to the Giant artill, bom- bardment of 1888, the Detroit Na- tionals made seven off St. Louis on June 12, 1886; Pittsburgh rammed out seven more off Boston on June 6, 1894, and, coming down to modern times, the Philadelphia Athletics slammed Ty Cobb's Detroit pitchers for seven merry-go-round clouts on June 3, 1921 (Copyright. 1928.) WARNING To the Business Interests of Washington, D. C. The Almas Temple, Washington, D. C., 1923 Shrine Committee (Inc.) is the only agency authorized by Almas Temple to make any arrangements whatever for the Session of the Impe; D. C, next June. 1 Council, to be held in Washington, Any solicitation for enter- tainment funds, for advertising on behalf of the forthcoming session or for the sale of so- called Shrine souvenir programs, books, novel- ties, etc,, is utterly unauthorized and should be discouraged by the public, unless such activities have the official approval of the said Shrine Committee. The public is urged to call Main 6723 in case of attempted solicitation, unless the solicitor has proper credentials or the enterprise bears the official approval of the Almas Temple, Washington, D. Committee (Inc.). €. 1923 Shrine Almas Ten_'lpk Washington, D. C. 1923 Shrine Committee Leonard P. Steuart, President chapter to show that I think Hans Wagner the greatest ball player that ever lived, regardless of position, If Wagner had any weakness as & batter we never discovered it. On occasions he would strike out on an outcurve. The next time up he was likely to hit the same kind of a curve out of the lot. Wagner had a fhculty of hitting bad balls as weil as good ones. He would make up his mind to hit, and hit he would, regardless of what the pitcher gave him. He always: stood in the far corner of the box and would run into the ball, swinging with a deadly accuracy. On the defensive, Wagner could throw from any position, and he had a pair of hands that never tfafled him. 1t was a common saying among ball players that Wagner never made a wild peg in his life. Hans Wagner will go down in base ball history as the greatest of all time. I believe that he could have played several more years than he did. Jimmy Collins at Third. There have been many great third basemen, and 1 have had several on my teams, but in my mind there IS no question that the honor of the All-America third baseman of all time should go to Jimmy Collins. 1In cidentally, Jimmy Collins and Eddie Collins are not related 1 select Jimmy for his general ex- cellence as a fielder, a hitter and & man. He was a great fellow on and off the fleld and a credit to base ball. Jimmy Collins was particularly adept at going for bunts. The art of bunt- ing had just come into being when Collins began playing third base and he was one of the first to solve this style of play. 1 remember well a game in which we had the 0ppos- ing third baseman standing on his head trying to handle these tantal- izing little jabs. Collins was playing the outfleld.” He was called in. Ina few innings, it seemed, he had com- pletely blocked our efforts. Jimmy Collins was an originator— | the real pioneer of the modern style |of playing third base. He is clearly entitled to the All-America honor. Hugh Duffy and Ty Cobb. In the outfleld I have selected Hugh Dufty of the old Boston champio the All-America left fielder. F: today do not remember Duffy quite so well as the older men, but they should. Not only was he a marv ous flelder, but he was one of the |hardest hitters the game has ever known. Duffy is not a large man {but. my, how he could sting the bal In Boston old fans still relate some of hig picturesque catches in the out- field Duffy first played center field for Bostons. After they won the chp pionship in 1887 and 1398, though, was shifted to left field and play there to the end of his career. Duff is one of the few men to hit as high as .400. He also was a great base runner and had team spirit. | Ty Cobb is outstanding as a center flelder, a b runner and a batter. There 'is little use in_me going into | details about him. Everybody has {seen Ty Cobb and knows his abil The mere fact that he led the Am {ican League so many years in succes sion and fs still a premier with the His aggressiveness even a greater fac en many ball play who could play the outficld as well as Cobb, but [none of them had speed, aggressiveness | thinking. T doubt if anybody will dispute Ty Cobb's claim to the honor s the All- American center flelder of all time. Wee Willie Was a Wonder. many years [ have selected | Willie Keeler for right field. Foo [ Willie died on New Year's day. 1923, after a long illness—heart trouble When he passed out one of the gre: est lights that ever shone in base b was dimmed. I played on the same team with Keeler, the Orioles. and 1 knew him like @ book—knew his ability in every department of the game. At bat Keeler and myself were a team that helped to win many a pen- nant. I led off and he followed. If 1 may be permitted to so, Keeler and 1 practically revolutionized the style of hitting to advance the run- ner, a form of attack that had never been given much attention up to 1594, chapters T have discussed -ngth, giving many in- rls greatness. Space will not permit repetition here. As a hitter, as a flelder and as a base runner 1 have no hesitation naming Willie Keeler as the greatest he and quick For here have | s combination of | in| PLAYERS M’GRAW PICKS FOR ALL-AMERICA TEAM Clu'l;r':—llzk Ewing and die Joss, Rube Waddell. First base—George Sisler. Second base—KEddie Collins. Shortstop—Honus Wagner, Third base—Jimmy Collins. inflelder—Napeleon Substitute outficlder—Joe Kelly. right flcider of all time. God rest his soul! It has been very hard to leave Joe Kelley off that regular outfield. In recognition of his greathess and to do him justice I have placed him on my All-American team as the extra outflelder. From my personal association with Kelley on the old Orioles and from my daily observation of his work 1 am strongly convinced that Joe in his day was as good a man for the position as any of those who preceded him or followed him. In considering this matter I have gone over all the great ones, including such men as George Burns, Jimmy McAleer and many others. Some of them were weak in certaln spots, like hitting or base running. Joe had no prominent veakness. He was-fast on the bases, could hit the ball hard and was as graceful an outflelder as one would care to see. He covered an immense amount of ground and had that nec- essary faculty, so prominent in eaker and others, of being able to place himself where the batter would be likely to hit the ball. Joo Kelley was a great ball player. L wouldn't be satisfled If I didn't have him on my all-star team. I have a hunch that some old friends—maybe some old strangers— will write in and ask me to explain why I left certain men off my team. It is enough to explain my selections. It would be impossible to discuss those left off. In the next chapter I will explain my selection of pitchers. (Copyright 1028, U. 8. and Canads, Chiristy Walsh Syndicate.) by the BY THE REDS W YORK, February 22.—As can shortly expect some kind N |are they Cincinnati particularly wants a left-hander. Rixey may flash again this season as he did last, but there always is a deep uncertainty of a left-hander repeating. No matter how good any of them are. they do have their off-year, and it has often happened that the bad year has come right in the middle section of their careers so that the very moment that hey were most wanted, ‘they have gged True, Boston has Cooney, a young- ter who was with New Haven last ear, but it is doubtful if Cincinnati would go very strong for him. Still, there was lots of talk today that Garry Herrmann delayed his stay here in order to talk trades with Bos. ton's new owners Brooklyn has players for trade, but if Brooklyn gets anything that is has, the team will finish out in the suburbs. g Whatever Boston may get in the way of a trade, by purchase or from any other source will be accepted in the spirit that it is given because the team is not strong enough to advance in the National League race unless something is done for it. Three clubs are lined up for the draft in the American Association. This throws a new angle on the situa- tion. There was a time when no American Association club would listen to a word about the draft. Two worth less than some of the stuff she | of the three are Toledo and Indian- apolis. One is under eastern influence and the other has a close working agreement with major league clubs and prefers to be a developer of lavers secured from the big show ather than players from the sand llots. The third club isn't named, but Beginning March 1st Studebaker Showrooms will be Temporarily struction at streets is Located at 1016 Connecticut Avenue N. W. Until Our New Build- ing Now Under Con- 14thand R completed. JOSEPH McREYNOLDS X President Commercial Automobile and Supply Co. 817-819 14th St. N. W. l 3,000 AT $5 EACH SEE BANTAMS IN REAL MILL Authorities Powerless to Prevent 10-Round Draw‘ Between Midget Smith and Joe Burman, Pro- tected by Court Injunction. C HICAGO, February 22—The underground scur Chicago’s next “suburban club entertainmen after the ten-round, no-decision boxing exhibition last night by for tickets for was on again today Midget Smith of New York and Joe Burman of Chicago, topnotch ban- tamweights. mouth” system in vogue here. Police a-plenty were about the little men fought to a newspaper driw ‘but the bluecoats could do no more than keep the fight fans in line and direct them into the hall. Numerous contests have been advertised by the “word-of- uburban club” at which the two An injunction obtained by the promoters to prevent legal interference, which loomed after the Chicago Law and Order League protested, was fully effective, despite the Illinois statute which makes even donning a pair of boxing gloves:a misdemeanor. The “club” itselt was one of the familiar landmarks of Chicago, with- in a couple throws of a stone from the “gold coast” Chicago's wealthy residential section, and about twi.e as far from the “loop,” the down- town district. Their contest, preceded by four pre- liminary battles, in which more or less blood was spilled, Smith and Burman received i great ovation from the thousands of specta when they climbed through the rop Their eight-ounce gloves (described as that in_the petition for the in junction, although the pads looked very light, having more the appear- ance of the usual five-ouncers with which the gladiators of the squared circles are wont to do battle), were tied on_amid a constant din of vell- ing, and the two were at it. Fight on Even Terms. They fought mostly in the clinches, mauling away with both hands until BIG PLAYER DEAL PLANNED AND BRAVES BY JOHN B. FOSTER. to that strong hint that the fans of a deal by the Boston Nationals, it looked today as if the deal will involve also the Cincinnati Reds | Cincinnati wants pitchers, and needs them more than any other kind of players, but if there are any immediate pitchers on the Boston team, whi¢h Christy Mathewson is presidenting, and who would add to the Reds' pennant possibilities. the question might be pertinently put, “Who it is presumed to be Columbus which through affiliation with Chicago ele- ments in base ball is thereby some- what dominated. (Copyright, 1923.) BOXERS AT FORT MYER IN SIX BOUTS TONIGHT Two bouts, limited to six rounds each, and a quartet of four-round matches are on the program of the boxing show to be conducted at Fort Myer tonight under the auspices of the post's athletic association. They will be held in the riding hall, start- ing at 8 o'clock. Col. Wait Johnson is to referee. 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