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: ‘THE EVENING WORLD FRIDAY, OCTOBER 18, 1922, 1s 2s AA GON ARE Same AN AE RES EER TGS SMA CNN RELY RE TT TT IE I Ie ts FIFTY THOUSAND PEOPLE EXPECTED TO SEE GAME AT NEW HAVEN, ee thet rs FATHER TAKES SON TO THE COURSE - - - Copyright, 1922 (New York Evening World), by Press Publishing Compan M wen mecBoove Dwi") (iL GIVE YOU A DIME Every time YOU KEEP Stuy,y AND OWA ELEVENS TO PLAY, BEFORE Bla CROWD Great Pémand for’ Seats f6.See Western Conference Cham- pions, Coached by Howard Jones, Face His Brother Tad’s ElisGharges To-Morrow. A MOTHER JONES ROOTS to be on hand at tho FOR $ SCORELESS TIE fp BAWi to-morrow when the} © excrr, 10, Oblo, Oct. 18.—Mrs. eleven rg@prejonting the Blue will] 7 A. Jones, mother of Tad and a, last year’s cham Howard Jones. conches of the Yale stern Conference, Ac and Towa football teams refuses to cording t§ the Ylemand for tickets for} take sides in Saturday's intersec- this gamé@ ther fs little doubt tharf tional classic 1 hope it’s a scoroless tle,” she the attenflance Will be the greatest] gaia. oe thet evergvitnese\ga game this early Her husband said he hoped How- ard’s lowans would win. in the segson. | \ “i will do Howard we mich ‘The chft reason Wor the popularity} good" of the Y@le-lows clash fs, perhap’ the fact that the rive teams are [ei] calibre, and ‘Parkin, whom some con- by broths, bit even ff that element | sider @ second Devine, : About, 1,000 alumni of Iowa and _ not exist the showing Towa made} oi... Western Conference universities yeargs % wil) merive at New Haven on a spe- Accordiig to informatton clal tmin and are expected to pass here f bh ag Ha xtant through this ‘city some time to- Ne preparati 01 i es Pleven also will pass throug! is reach! ig pro! yon thelr way to the scene of Yale-Pringeton gam na | triumph or defeat. Howard Jones and tol Siar, gee from his men hope to arrive in New Haven in time for a lmbering up this after- Beaten ot the gams Ny. afixious | noon, E In action in spite of the] The time of the game hasbeen ad- al, Prenat #ioward Jones has fost four| vanced half an hour, [t will begin at of bis stars by graduation, cluding | 2.80 instead of 3 as originally planned. Aubrey Devine, the brilliant,quarter-|The change was made so as to per- back. Tey are anxious to sce Gor-|mit the players to make a 6 o'clock don Loup, a back of All-America | train. - Yale Has Long Signal Drill, But Eleven Has No Scrimmage| Fordham’s Defeat at Boston No No Surprise to Team’s Coach erersrery —_———> ee ee people mre ex- fae = VEN, Conn., Oct, 18.—There| to Injuries, the combination seemed to immage for the Yale vamstty| Work well. but a jong signal drill took} ‘Bud Adams, freshman quarterback iter rt of the afternoon in] of last year, is twent; " B game of their own. They turned eo ee Sale eee alte ats tee eee Expected the Heavier) tee stags sud teaped unt aod down seen omar Pete, oe ea ee eee thelr unnecuwtomed ident |, B ATT ] NI HH] f Srfagoe Beckett promises well for the enemas ‘The same system of saving energy Fi Other News of Interest to the Lovers of Amateur Athletics, By Burris J . is being used at Rutgers. Coach San- eeu peacut Sammy Morse has not been at Yate gana enkine. ford gave his outfit only a ight By Joseph Gordon. iw Meld in years. He has been playing "S crushing defeat a’ |scrimmage and signal drill yesterday F - : VERYTHING sdaredy ‘there Veederffl Fred “Graham, dash Owsley is in fi ‘ The 4 in? Sone g Pri trek Strife dota rf | MAS of enon ca een ee ect itr Madicon Squate | s,s wonder that ecu an Lehigh to-morrow, i f on which Tad Jones was quarterback yesterday, 27 to 0, at Brave: | "014 reaches Rutgers from Letfign| Contest in Madison Squate Paul Veeder, the Individual star of that} Field’ in Boston, was .anticipated n}inat the latter expects to win by at Garden : team, ‘9c wens one field, as was Clar| a ey by Coach Serene of Fordham. |ieast one touchdown, as they did last 4 about the future of the Blue and —_ : ; 3 cate ITEYP ongy | * Throughout the past week Gargan| year, Although Rutgers {s confident White cross-country team. With Wal- has drilled his linemen, jrealtzing that » Alt i th lookin: Morse, lcott and Vi r will st te ‘ole, ota a aed in their strength, they are looking By John Pollock. ter Higgins and Robert Mvore both for the hardest battle of the seasoh : in excellent condition, Graduate Man- ‘The tact that they beat Fordham tasi | Billy Miske and Tom Gibbons of S* | 1 ONS tt toe Coach Morner really week. by only, a. five point margin, have little to worry about. and Fordham lost #0 easily yesterday coaches of Columbia University athletics are feeling so optimistic over for the lowa i. They “wat great friends of Howard Jones, who also| Stronger. The weakness of Fordham's RG , played with them, andy be morejjige has been apparent since the, be~ | than glad to see him althy they can- ning of the season and yesterday's Paul are in excellent condition for their main go of fifteen rounds a’ Madison Square Garden to-night. Be- ee sucqess in his present! result proves Gargan's pyevious tears|to Boston College, 27 to 0, does not ae Were justified. eak well for the present Rutgers! 405 this go there will be three oth Ted Coy didn't look a day older than| If Capt. Tommy Myers had had | strength pa eO Waere: ree: other woes he played on the varsity In the/amy support at all from the linemen] put Coath Sanford ts at present | contests. Jimmy Darcy of California fall of 1907, Old timers remarked that|there would have been at least_ some tistied ven and t jt Ted Wight can kick aa far, Dut doen't] scoring by the maroon, Meyers |tq enter The sues tea tomer Hales TE ene nae cacital marcel fought a good fight, but he was play-|that he did last week, wih Capt.|) 0)" wunds, orris, centres, Charley O'Hearn, who watched from| 2S @ lone hand, He made three long. | Raub in the backfield, 3 rook will take on Young Plerce for ‘the side lines, is a more accurate kicker ey on Page elated zs six wounds and Billy Hamilton will Coy, who booted the bail to vic:oryjeach, bu eo line fa’ im when Sanford is also determined on the} battle Joe Skinner of Arizona for four for the team goached by Howard Jones] he attempted to push the ball further Jefticacy of the “huddle” system of and this year he is giving promise of in 1909, His general average of punt-|The Fordham eleven fought gamely|giving signals. ‘This method of col- as successful a season as he had tra Ia not ay long, although Coy nwver lout * without teamwork, and with aiecting the team in a conference} As the pout tetween Pancho vilia, th |the™ Moore, too, who is Captain of eget {han OHeor did In) marked neglect of the methods of de-| aroun the quarterback before each on 1ENt champion ga Wrankie Miasgn a [He eross-country team, shows indl- pal 5 * fense taught them the past week by|piay, jumping back in place, and nt ap on Oct. nS vation of having a great year. Whatever swivel chair experts may|their coach. ‘one quick signal passing the ball, ort to. have written lately about Tad Jone Undoubtedly they will be working|not, as some have called It, a new ey of New York fo meet tommy Lovgi | ‘The team has been having daily there was no doubt to-day asliogether better when they meet|piay, Several Western colleges] tle on that date, Frank Bagley has alread, | Workouts for more than a month and of the weneue i ied Georgetown at the Polo Grounds | played it two years ago, and [ast | cepted terms for Tunney. ‘8 quite ready for the first competi- raduate squad. THEY AF} Wook from to-morrow. year the army tried !t. Coach O'Neil’ bas tion of the yéar, which is run on Oct. Higgins, one of the best men ever developed at Columbia, was practic- ally out of it last season. The rea- son for tt was that he forgot for a while that, after all, studies were a necessary evil in the life of a univer- sity student. In 1920 he was almost unbeatable rounds, ¥ Montreal, wh a tt i “| of Columbia, uses the systeni now In| amin ar New form tor tem rounds at Bee) 28 against Rutgers, ; Stored up enérgy is being regis-[the scrimmages with the scrubs | trolt, Mllch., on Nov. 3, Is, also, booked tered at the Columbla football train-] where each stde knows tho other’: | ten‘ found a heater Hat at provieke Syracuse ts next on the list and ing camp. Coach O'Neill's intention | signals. R. 1, on » and Battling Mack for|then for the classic of the local sea- to keep the training light this week] Sanford, however, contends they | <lht rounds at the Olympia. A.A. of Phi when Columbia meets Cornell adelphia on next Monday night is becoming difficult to enforce. have the system down to the point enn and Dartmouth over the Van On the whole, the perform Yesterday in the light signal prac-fwhere they can save several second>| At Springfield, O., to-night, Jacke Clarke | Courtland course on Nov. 11, ty was not as en |tice on Baker Field In the first foot-|of time over the old method of shout er _middiewaleht of ‘Allentown, Pa. | : it was Wednesday. ball weather In two weeks the young|ing the signals aloud twice. He] promising tlghter of Canton, ©. in the main] In the mean time New York Un!- athletes seemed hardly able to -re-|claims the play also adds to the cer- | £0 of soars. Lapa Broke bes teen versity is all animation over the an- fe pram |the arorneon that the MRiSa wise eet: strain themselves from starting -altainty of understanding the signals | #0m* food flehting jn the West and. his f nual treck meet with Wesleyan Sat- yaraity and substitutes) in. off with the right amount of speed Tom Andrews, the tight promoter of Mi th Path ti omelal tear e ined Griving dummy / with the exception of Emery, who Kee, who will bring off the Important| the athletic officials lad to worry seve seni The Rade some esceliont plungss, vos ol PORCUPRL and Goullet Are Victors tan-rouria bout tet ween Dave shade, the crak} about it would be quite a simple ma co the backs were able to odnsistently the, eracke Wentweight of Thladeiphi, at the jer. But on the same day they have Be a neat to In Team Race at Velodrome}: eo isi cet 2 of pres sg Karnan,|{ouchdown, completely atoning for his Two good fights will be fought at clubs in nda eee ee Spencer Brothets Lose When| **penaing on tm ona! neat che Weer tonnteNe, “HonenyAkeoadecnae se] TO-APPEAR AT BENEFI1 “ ‘ Milwaukee Mghtwelght, will take on will play to-morrow against | ™ ni pulled Goullet tn this heat and] (Ack . thes California bi o A Otherwive, however the var Gray and stout.) Arthur Is Disqualified on _ st outlet, #0 # Iap trom home, Art a Re ey No less than four champlons will be ine waa intact, with Fitts and Treat and Snyder, captain | / Spencer was, in/tro @ou'ie on, Xt ittnarda’ et Dayton, 1O., will Battle Frankie} on hand to help entertain the boxing ‘Eastman and Dun- Dickenson and Snively, guardy last lap but "Goy! saving every- | Brow e &t Erle,] . rew and Hubbard] Alford, center; Bergen, quarter; New)) Last Lap. thing for the, last sprint around the}? fans of Westcheslgr County to-morrow » Capt. Buell did jo work at}and Cleaves, haly: Caldw full final turn and into the home stretah | hres ten-round bouts between heavy-| J&el Deritpsey, Benny Leonard, Johnny guards. ip d PL a back. fre He had started around Arthur weights have heen arranged MY Jim Buck-| Dund: d Pancho Villa will b uarier, Lee and Pfaftman doing | baci > .| He had starte: and] weights have ty ck-] Dundee and Pancho Villa will be among the bul of the team. Orlando Plan! and Alfred Goullet de} ov eg ike @ sure winner when Arthur | ley. to be stngvd at the next show of the so at fented Willie Spencer, the American : Club on. Tuesday night.| the many fighters who will help Willian Churehiig Roullisrd, Coburn, Chapin swung up Into him, starting all th ie Bitty Bhade of Callton: and Gehgke all were shified about in CORNELL. champion, and Arthur Spencer {n 4] trouble. pat Metarkey tackles Jack Renault g| Muldoon entertainment of the Emer- toe tacked. ITHACA, N.°¥., Oct. 18-—The lest |ieam mateh race at the New York Velo-| Willie Benn jr. of Haat Orange won| Canade, and Leo Gates will hook up wifi} gency Committee of the Westchesier inking was out for some regu-| hard workout of the week on the Cor} aici yesterday afternoon before aj both amateur races. Willie took the Gounty, Childrents. Asasclation beads nell fleld tound the situation still f th Hy Yesterday. thie peing he | (ised Regulars changed ‘places with |crowd of 6,000 fans.. Plant and Goullet Vira mark "beating oe ero ened, || trish Johnny Curtin of Jersey City, who] cess. The benefit was to have been i ft ie . of the old Yale dropkicke: | scrubs from time to Ume, the effort ip-|won the race when Arthur Spencer was] ouis Benezattl Loree una ta| fghta’ Carl Tremaine of Cleveland Ih the] held last Saturday, but had to be post poned on account of rain, It might field goal try for the scrub,| parently being to keep the two team» |disqualified for knocking Goullet down|the mile open he led Earl Adams, John night. Is to ie: an “ sy rw be well to mention that the event played well in the middie of|*venly balanced, The forward pass and nd deciding} Amabile and Anthony Benezattl over A bs M id once recovered the ball on} 'he kicking game received a great deal on the last lap of the @fth and d 8} the finish line. fenting arr p bane gee ak Rass ess will be held at Purchase, N. Y. Codman, one of the centres] of attention, Joe Rooney, who ran the | heat. Vincent Madonna of Italy paced by | tho gross recetpt - hurt. Wednesday, will be out us ng st Sear terenet, boing under or-] Goullet waa about to go by Arthur] Jean Antentcc!, a countryman, won the ee ad OPI tases Acct ORIOLES WIN AGAIN ing hwo weeks, joce to Sevelon (Oe Serial game. Spencer and win the race when Spenger | one hour motor paced race. match has hed betw dite P " he former ateur fight it e soli work of Rooney, Post and Whet-lywung up into him. He threw Goullet! Manager John Chapman announces geetiae er former aman, fate FROM ST. PAUL TEAM norae Plann, regular quarterback, and |Cevy, 69 che track, and Willie Bpen- | that he will put on @ 100-kilomoter | They wil come towsther in the feature out bn f eight rounds at the LA. ¥ = ‘e in- Flora Ramoay, Tinht half, were oa tne |Ctt, whe waa right hehind Goullet.|teqm race, thd distance of which i+] Philadeipnia on Oct oa t] SY. PAUL, Oct. 13.—Baltimore's 1d gnd worked out Mehtly, but it inferaahed into hin Wick ant wan| equivalent to 62% miles, Sunday af i to meet. Gort tPrnational Teague champions need Mmprobable that they will fleure much | Knocked! his head on the treet brulsed|ternoon at the local Velodrome at Troy, Nv ¥., Get, 39. only one more victory to attain the hard scrimmage with In tortnorrow's game with New Hamp | and ecraped his hand. Twenty-five strong combinations will] Andy Nelderreiter, who ts the: matchma-| minor league baseball champlonship re yesterday, the var: high hy College, Osos: BAGy BAST Dust oon as Goullet got to his fect | answer the call of the starter. Alfred A roca aa fi {Grove Sporting Club] ene Orioles defeated the St. Pau uchdowns. was better vencrday and could play on}he tore after Arthur Sponcer, who wasl Goullet and Orlando Pian! will be on] Lynch, the east sldp bantamwelght, to meet] American Association champtone ¥ tice was characterized by} “\t¥/dey Hf Doble wants him, still on his wheel. Gouliet tried to take] ine job again and most of the best fighter of Staten] terday* by a score of *5 to 1, giving oan & punch at #pencer but track attend: 4 “tl thom a 4 to 1 lead in the game estand- ants rushed out and caught’ hold of | tiders will try to stop short their win ings for the serles. SIKI PURSE QUESTION Goullét, preventing him from hitting Bing atryek. Team raced have be-| 4.1. nrennan, the New Jersey reteree,| - INTERESTS BOXING BODY |Svencer. The referee, after disqualify: | come very popular om the Washing: | has made such a ‘great hit with bis reter- EVEN Fs ing Arthur Spencer and awarding the} ton Heights track and so long as the peeing stunt at New sd aes tno" lant WHITE SOX PARIS, Oct. 13.-The Freneh Boxing| (°° t2 Goullet and Pian! fned Arthur | weather 1s good Chapman’ intends to four months th ferent boxing clu , SERIES WITH CUBS 4 wert Commission took up the question of the Reenenr Fee fer foul ort ca continue them. % Jined up asainat the} purse in the Siii-Carpentier bout last | arthur, went. contest between] CHICAGO, Oct, 13.—The White Sox page. night, It had been announced that the “Bu a Fi i Fulton w I ile com\inued toehow excet- | winner would recelve 200,000. tra The race was run in five one-mile Downtug Leads on Links, Marta urke” and’ re mo Was ex08I-| evened the eertes with the Cubs by Bunting. Joe Sheerer. of the| the lower 100,000; Manager Hellere, whe nue Bpenoar do-| m, ¥, Downines With'® card pf 8h) 0" — taking @ pitcher's battle, 4 to 8, Each | Out yesterday 4 hei 4 18—T77, won the Class A medal handicap jimmy Bronson, manager of Bob Martin, club now nus won two games, ‘The B. inet Ne a ie ~ hed hro! at the holiday golf tournament of the write, to-day that Martin's eye, ‘which] "The veteran Alexander was opposed gee, rook. a cut in his recen wat wit! % * Leverette, e ohne ty mene thur Bpencer tn the Beasts witha card of Se Playa hnaon atthe Garden, is responding wore than held bis own Unt the’ sixth the race an even affal Sretything SyoTe wen the Class B event. Toe eeerig agen im abost fouglweske.,” inning, when he began to weaken. PVghave C lumbia’s Cross-Count TOM LIBBONS AND "Prospects Unusually Bright of over $25,000, FOUR BOXING CHAMPIONS |RECORD NUMBER OF @ baseball game scheduled with Wes- Jeyan, and while the ball game (8 going on the tennis team plays Hav- ertord on the courts at University Heights, The New York Atheltic Club is go- ing io for gymnastics on a. larger scale than eve: before in the history uf that organization. The success of the last tournament to decide the championships of the A. A. U., which was held at the N.Y. A. C, before a crowd which packed the large hall! of the club, is largely responsible for the move. Daily workouts are the order of the day for the Furdham athletes wh are to compete in the impending cross-country meets. The boys are working themselves into fine condi- tion and are showing remarkable re- sults. Many of the candidates are seen woking out early in the morning, under the watchful eyes of their trainers and coaches. What with the interscholastic track meets and the intercollegiate cross- country competitions, to ~- morrow promises to be a great day in school uthletics, And that isn't saying any- thing at all about the many foothall games scheduled at local institutions. In scoring his victory in the 1 Popolo modified marathon, Willie Ritola of the Finnish-American A. C ran true to midseason form. He was a favorite over the field, but few ex pected that he would have such an easy time winning. He led the pack all the way, The Morris High School in hold- ing the De Witt Clinton eleven down to a 6 to 6 tie scored a real moral vic- tory, considering that the Clinton team are last year's city champions Xanthaky of Morris proved himself the real star of the game. OARSMEN OUT FOR FALL WORK AT YAL= NEW HAVEN, Oct. 13.—More Yal: men are taking a try at rowing unde Head Coach Ed Leader than ever be fore in the university's history, More than fifty men are traveling to ant from Derby eacn afternvon to practic on the Housatonic River, and five elghts have been selected for special at- tention, In the varsity squad there ar elghteen men who were In the freshma: squad last spring. ‘While Leader is working with his men at Derby his aa- sistant, Murphy, is handling the re cruits who go to. the boathouse on the Quinnipiac River for a course of In- struction, Already there are four fresh- min crews afloat, and in a few days ten class crews will be made up for tne fall regatta, a BECKETT SCORES K. O. OVER FRANK MORAN LONDON, Oct. 18 (Associated Pre ~—Joe Beckett, the British heavyweight pugilist, scored a technical knockout over Frank Moran, the American heavy- weight, when the referee stopped thetr bout in the seventh rqund at Albert Hail here last night. In another contest, Jack Bloomfeld, British light heavywefeht champion, stopped Bombardier Wells, also of England, in the sixth round, Soldier Jones, heavyweight champion of Canada, won from the Englishman, Arthur Townley. The referee tnter- vened and stopped this bout in the third round owing to an injury to one of Townley's r >| BIG FIGHT OVER WHO'LL GET MONEY JF “CHARITY GAME” ‘aad paabiaas Sol. Huston of Yanks Want Newspaper Men to Have Charge of Fund. By Bozeman Bulger. Judge Landis may be as wise as @ tree full of owls when it comes to the ‘egal aspect of the case, but when it comes to dealing with soldiers in the Aistribution of the fund given by the World's Series to charity bes up in the air, Tt was announced yesterday that the Judge would give the Disabled Veterans of the World War 70 per cent. of the fund, which amounted to $72,000. This raised an awtul how! among sports®men and sports lovers throughout the country. There are three distinct and im- portant soldier organizations — them American Legion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the Disabled V: erans’ Association. To the layman they may all sound alike, but there is a vast difference among the soldiers. For instance, Col. T. L. Huston ie National Commander of the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the biggest organiz~ ation next to the American Legion, Huston, mind you, has given his en« tire cut of the World's Series to the Veterans of Foreign Wars and Col. Ruppert has strung along with him. Only soldiers who actively served overseas In this war or In others can belong to the Foreign Veterans. A statement was given out yester- day intimating that the organization for Disabled Veterans has charge of the fund. The Colonel went straight. up In the air. “1 don't think there {s any truth tn the rumor,” he said, “but if there Is I want to say that I will get out an njunction against everything I know f they try to divert the big baseball ‘und from its original purpose. We want the Foreign Veterans to have the listribution of funds, and we want he officials to be newspaper men who tre forelgn veterans. | want thia that way so the newspapers can keep a direct line on It. We want the sup- sort of the newspapers and we want heir backing In the distribution of this fund to see that the soldier get 100 per cent. We don’t want any or- anization to take the greater part of t in overhead expense. . Personally, { want the Unknown Soldier Post, made up principally of newspaper men, to have absolute charge of the distributioh of the fund. Judge Landis, who will meet me in New Orleans next week, appears to think the same way. In the midst of much talk about Bill Carrigan managing the Yanks, thero were many anecdotes yesterday. Car- rigan, of course, will not manage the Yanks. Miller Huggins already bas been signed. Joe Kelley, scout for the Yanks, asked for a catcher several year's ago while managing the Torpnto Club, At that time Ed Barrow, present busi- ness manager of the Yanks, was President of the Eastern League. Ho sent up a catcher to Joc Kelley. Jim Caffrey, owner of the Toronto Club, would not accept Carrigan. Kelley was up tn the alr. Finally, the Rochester Club came along. It was decide that after the gamo Carrigan could go to Rochester {f they made a bid for him. In tho middle of the game that afternoon tho Toronto catcher broke a finger. Car- rgan, the cast-off, was sent In. He did so well that he won the gamo and canght every game for the rest of the season, On the strength of his showing he went to the Red Sox, be- came the star catcher and later the manager that won the world’s chaum- plonship. Carrigan would have been manager for the Yanks but for the re-signing of Miller Huggins. 2 aerate JOHNNY SHUGRUE WINS THE JUDGES’ DECISION WORCESTER, Mass., Oct. 13.—Be- fore a capacity crowd here Johnny Shu- grue, the crack Waterbury lightweight, won a decisive victory over Sailor Byron, a big local favorite, in ten fast ounds, It was the first time that Shugrue has fought here since he scored 1 sensational victory over Johnny Dun- dee several months ago and jumped overnight into the front rank of the lightweights, Shugrue wop every round and scored knockdowns in the third and tenth rounds, He was signed to box Jimmy Fruzzetti, New England light- weight champion, at Boston within the next few weeks, and his manager- brother, Joe. expects him to box Dundee again in the Garden, Shugrue won the Judges’ award —— KYNASTON MEETS MARTIN IN FINAL Percy L. Kynaston, Nassau and Queens champion, and Paul Martin, the University Heights veteran, meet tn th final of the outdoor season tn the metropolitan district. They advanced to the cup match yesterday after hard fought tussles. Martin required extra sets’ to dispose of Lindsay Runham and was five times within a point before ho could clinch his victory in the final division of play. Kynaston defeated Gerald B. Emerson, the Columbia Unt+ versity captain, 6—4, 7—5, in the other semi-finel, TO-NIGHT. MADISON SQUARE TOMILLY, MISKE. 15 ROUNDS hl Billiards and Evgrrt efor + and, Revllag,