The Seattle Star Newspaper, December 28, 1923, Page 21

Stove League Chatterings: Mistakes often made. Groh and Burns, Burns’ triplg play. te SEATT Scotch Wop Sees M any Ring Cham nps Comeand Go Dundee Has F ought From Feat From Featherweight to Welter- | BY BILLY EVANS UNNY how a ball club turns loose a player and then a few years later is mighty anxious to get him back, Manager McGraw of “the New York Giants has several times sacrificed a promising recruit in order to get some veteran star, and then later paid a fancy price for the return of the young- | With Boys in Each Cl 3 Boxing for 13 Years BY HENRY L, FARRELL EW YORK, Dee. 28.-—Johnny Dundee, new junior light- ster who was thrown in as Weight champion, for many reasons, is the most remark- part of the deal. There was| able fighter of his day, Perhaps his record might be ex- the case of Heinie Groh. He} tended so as to make him the most unusual type in any was sent to Cincinnati in a) field of sport. trade. McGraw knew Groh! Considering what Dundee has done in the 18 years he has possessed great ability, but! been boxing, and what he is still doing, the use of super- the Cincinnati club had aj latives is not at all unwarranted by the facts. couple of veterans he figured | would round out his club,| nothing to equal that of Dundee, who kept plodding on for Groh was sacrificed. After} 15 years to win a title, the world’s featherweight champion- | Groh had developed into a} ship, at an age, and after a career of hardships that should star McGraw paid big for his| have shelved him as an old man. return to the Giants. Since he started boxing, Dundee has seen more than 50 — champions of the ring rise to the top and then fade away. UST at present the Cleveland | Only one-third of the boxers who have made names in those club fs angling for First Hase- 113 7 | Fi Q years are still boxing, and Dundee is a champion, and a a of 0 bs . man George Burns of tho Boston good one. Red Sox. A few years ago Burns| belonged to Cleveland. He was sent|_ ~Dundee started boxing two years to Boston as part payment for First} his title to Jack Johnson, and Baseman Melnnes, who has drop-| Willard have gone, ped out of the American league. before Jim Jeffries lost ince then Johnson Six New Middleweights the middleweight class, Papke, Klaus, Chip, McCoy, O'Dowd and Johnny Wilson have come and gone while Dundee was boxing. Melody, Sullivan, Dixie Kid, Ted Lewis ard Jack Ban won and lost the welterweight championship. The lightweight class had Gans, Nelson, Wolgast, Ritchie, | Welsh and Leonard as champions, and Dundee fought Ritchie, Welsh and Leonard. In the featherweight class the picture contained Abe At- tell, Johnny Kilbane and Eugene Criqui. Dundee fought Kil- bane twice and took the title away from Criqui. Johnny Coulon, Kid Williams, Peter Herman, Joe Lynch and Johnny Buff lost the bantamweight championship while Dundee was moving right along. Patsy Wallace, Abe Goldstein, Johnny Buff, Pancho Villa fand Jimmy Wilde held and lost the lightly-regarded fly-| | weight championship during Dundee’s time, and yee light | heavyweight championship passed from Levinsky, Carpen- tier, Siki, McTigue, Tunney and Greb during the same time, That Weight Question feet that made possible the tripte} S in the case of Jack Britton, who, over a stretch of play pulled by Burns against Cleve-| years, could not give accurate numbers on the times he ‘sae {had fought, Dundee has boxed more than he can figure out. . He has fought as featherweight, a lightweight and a welterweight, and in his ability to fluctuate his 150 pounds to 128 pounds lies the most extraordiné ture of a most unusual record, | It is beyond erenalen how Dundee can reduce from 150 | pounds to the featherweight limit and retain his strength land vitality. Other boxers might do it once or twice, but) | they would make a habit of it at the cost of their health.| Dundee has been deing it for years without any apparent ill|» | effects. | Up until last summer paign as a lightweight. bouts with Johnny Kilbane, the featherweight champion, ana oe URNS, by the way, won undying fame against the Cleveland club In a game at Boston last sum- mer. He made a triple play unas- sisted. Incidentally he figured prom- tmently in three defents handed Cleveland by Boston in that series. Since the Indians lost second place in the American league by a half. game margin it is*easy to see that Burns was considerable of a jinx to his former teammates. Apparently Manager Speaker is not satisfied with his first base candidates. Like McGraw, he ts willing to take back @ player he parted with, believing said player is the man needed to straighten out his infield. When Speaker sent Burns to Boston he Tealized he was parting with a valu able player, but he believed McInnes would prove a ror baseball the matter of a few feet often spells the difference between failure and success. It was the last-minute moving of few WAS umpiring the bases in that game, made the decisions on the play,.and will never forget what the slight detait of moving a few feet to the right meant in the execution of the triple killing. Had Burng been playing his usual po- sition the drive would have gone thru for a single, or better, and might have made a considerabie; difference in the final result. Cleve land was trailing at the time. Stephenson was on second base,| Lutzke on first, Brower at bat and| no one out. Brower hit a ball} hard down the right field line. With him at the bat, first baseme usually play close to the bag t be in the best possible position to| handle his drives. Jack Quinn was pitching and Burns played close to| cont the bag on the first few balls} pitched. Then something happened to change the entire situation. Qu ¥ walked half w « “ed That he was going to shift hi Burns over, a of pitching on Brower and make him hit a fast ball, y fea- Dundee had been forced to cam- hat he would never risk his title again with Dundee. Dundee was then forced out of the featherweight ‘class because he was too good for the champion—and any of the enders at the weight. king on all the lightweights, Dundee made a most re markable record. more than a‘dozen times, and Leonard nev ti ‘o him. a told th te ° fim smart boxing men still believe that Leonard will not s style| fight Dundee in a decision fight, and there can be found some evidence to support such a belief. Kilbane ‘Avdlila Him UTTING on weight to suit the competition that he was r did a thing to ou REVIOUSLY Quinn pitching on the inside Brower so that he would hit ball down the line, in the direction of where Burns was playing. Noti- fied that Quinn wns going to pitch ofitside, Burns changed his position by taking several steps in the di rection of second. Quinn's next of. fering, instead of being outside, intended, w most thru the mid die of the Brower hit the} ball on 1 into Burns’ hands Both runners had started with pitch Burns to touch L then he beat Si completing the ’. The moving of rd second had m possible, Little thi big s in baseball WOMAN BATTLER oe MEETS ’EM ALL) any rin Carmen 1 De La Mexican 147-pound woman had been to the} bobbed up and challenged Kilbane for the title. title by the New York Boxing commission, | named as his successor. The Kilban pulled down his challenge with the understanding that the winner of the fight would sign an agreement and post forfeit that he would be given first chance at the title. jui won the fight and the title from Kilbane, and he | looked like a great fighter, | and unusually strong for | featherweight. When the Criqui-Dundee match was made t| was figured that Dundee was old and campaign worn, thay lhe would be weakened by making the weight and that he "¥| would have a hard time beating the rugged, bomb-proof Frenchman. a sphenson to second, often saddest beatings that a Rhenepton has taken in Senorita Rosa, | lies the secret of most of his success. He knows how to take 4 , cisco} Gare of himself, and he has done it well. th ed aoe aplasst sor ia aaa : Altho he is not a youngster, Dundee is not a tottering old uble to raise even a ripple of interest} man, and it would seem, after a glance c ' the list of his the women of the Ba | rivals, that Dundee will still be a AcaNe hee or least still batt senorita is ‘ jsiguting, when | anothe r half-dozen champions pas along. ‘SCOTT HIGH _ FAVORED TO among ci The old, stands raw meat her tough “I'll fight any and lay ‘em cold, in Lynn, a. I'm not ke it. If 1c I'll promote 5 feet 7 inche: and anything else to mak orac in the world "GUSTAFSON one | APPOINTED CAGE COACH averse to fighting GUSTAFSON I 't get fights myself, PIMIL ND, Ore., Dec 4 tem.” four-year Things Pp’ IRTLA hool basketball are all High and high in shape for the Scott member of Coach H imbla sity basketba ed basketba |] From Seattle to Bremerton Sat- urday and Sunday, 0:30 p. m, and dally 11:20 p. m. DEAD'S THE WORD *Except Bunday, owe like Tilden Passenger Vare Soe Round Trip hal hind ONE-TWO-THREE an average I He had engaged in two non-decision | weight Division, and More Than Held His Own| “a As an example of perseverence and patience, there is! and} weight ck = |! | | those two experiences caused Kilbane to admit quite frankly) ¢ | | He fought Benny Leonard, the champion, | estes | | Kilbane ignored the challenge and was ruled out of his | bet Dundee being] wor The fight came off, and Dundee gave Criqui one of the/tor idea e has taken excellent care of himself, and therein | ¢, 2 tROBERTSON jo “Luck Piece” Stee Is| |Michigan’s New Leader Her bert Steger TLE STAR HE 1924 Wolverines of Michigan will be piloted ‘of the season recently ended. ‘They call him “Luck Piece” Steger, And not without reason, Steger has yet to play in ‘a losing football game. For four years Steger played halfback and fullback on the Oak Park high school team of Chicago and not once was the team beaten while he was| in the lineup. | Steger has starred in the Michigan’ backfield for two) years and in that time Col.| Yost’s boys haven't lost a} single game. Steger’s winning ways as-! serted themselves in the very} first game he played for) Michigan. On the first down) he was given the ball and he} hiked 60 yards for a touch-| down, | Michigan confidently looks forward to another unbeaten team next fall. And Steger—“Luck Piece” by Herbert Steger, one of the) stars of the unbeaten eleven | |of Chicago, and Lieut. Sprinter, Say Coaches TLANTA, question Ga, Dee. day by delegates at the Nationa! Collegiate assoclation convention, Working officers of the assoct tion drafted a set of recommends | tlons dealing with the Paddock, Pacific break with the union, The N. A. A. U. blacklisting [om overstepped ft» powers in Paddock, a “suspending” him from particly in the recent Paris games. The Pad dock case will go before the ful meeting today. sident Palmer Pierce's annua recommendations of executive committee, The score the letic directors here from all tion, refused Paddock dispute. E, Jones, of Wisconain; Yost, of Michigan; Alonzo A. Stagg, Bellmont, to comment on Texas, Regarding rules and changes n other regulations, | Steger—is the chief reason. HAUGHTON'S MILLIONS Percy Haughton gets more money from Columbia than any coach in the |mume ,”. . indicating that the Haugh- \ton system works pretty well in the |ecashler's office, tc Four Sophs in Big Te HICAGO, Wei ference competition has this sea Dec J out four " new son brought r or Ve 8 back, eld goal ki Jy lowa quarter, are t this quartet stands uiders above the crop his head and at | Of ne and co: omers. sophomore ° ea Henee, if the n of these four players a criterion, they deb can be should de est footk » into four of s the Middle the great West haa} seen in y one of the best backs In Morec he ts one on a Big Ten His future in Pa Britton isn't far rear of his teamm: u tt field promis in th Togethe indeed either of the combina. She Moved to n con, Are Stars | n Grid Loop tiens in the country. Britton knows | how to toss ‘em, and Grange can grab boast the finease of Cappon 1922 fullback. But he » done well in his firnt season, and bids fair to fill the shoes of his predecessor to a nicety., In the lowa & Miller was the only const t ground gainer on the Y machin Fry of Iowa is a star, He can run, pass and kick. He looms up as one of the best backs the Hawkeyes have had in some seasons with the possible exception of Aubrey Devine and Gor |don Locke. Against Michigan, was the lowa luminary Tt was Fry lw ho did most of the ball toting: |was Fry practical! And most of the game he played with | a broken nose. ange, Britton, Miller and Fry more than made the grade in Keep your eyes on Finals in Men’s Golf Tourney pox BEACH, Cal., Dec. 28.—Golf one sport at which women facing, Dundee even went up into the welterweight class | cann and he was almost forgotten as a featherweight until he ter speak ng trokes other -Criqui fight was then arranged, and Dundee |au in wh naation b tobert irnament eo had he foe € ith gree r at the match iF. ¥ favor ne of the tournament the ¢ an three yea ummer * conain state nice Wall, the ac n determining the match. beaten in the ampionship by i champion, WIN BATTLE WILLIE RITOLA on ON, FINN TEAM ‘ YORI D eldir runner Hd rey fc Lon long: IS SWAPPED AGAIN « RICHMOND, D Dave | | with |making changes,” and that only very rhe rules are pretty well stand ardized now, and Jet the them, people get acquainted rather than keep sald Jones, agreed, Bantams Thrive in Dixie Land The South other football coac specializes in ban tamweights. Pete Herman of New Orleans won the bantam. welght championship twice before dropping into retirement with a ruined vision, ‘al Moore of Memphis was one of the fastest midgets the game ever produced. None of the cham pions would ever meet him in a p fight Al Pettingill of New ns is a better than average m. Now comes Bill Kennedy, other Crescent City pee-wee with championship aims. Kennedy under the management of Tony Palazolo, who used to train Her man, and the experts say he is a comer. Welch Ma ay Become Big an- Ball Star a world of| players with ability fail to be rated as use they lack some certain thing. ome lack handicapped by ambition, & bad disposition, 28.—The of who controls col- loge athletics wan debated here to- o of Chas. sprinting champion, which may cause an open Amateur Athletic A. A, officers claim the collegian, |from the Olympian tryouts and in ing address was expected to take up the or more of | W prominent college coaches and ath- nec: tions of the country for the conven- the They included T. Fielding H. of football they |neemed unanimous that none was | needed, minor alteraions would even be discussed. and I think the thing to do is to go ahead and play them| on} and} others are i uy PIERRE WERTHEIMER Challenging Zev, My Own and all néted 3-year-old Yerthelmer, celebrated French turf enthusiast and o of “Epinard, greatest of the French runners, has departed for dear old France, after @ short stay in our fair country. Wertheimer will send his racer to America in the spring, to meet Un- cle Sam's outstanding thorobreds, LOCAL PREP FIVES WIN TWO GAM WO Seattle high school basketball | teams won hard practice games| from seemingly superior ri jterday. The West Seattle classed the strong Seattle |quintet despite t | work and shooting of Center dini of the blue and white t was 14-11, Queen A | trom the Quay alumni by fea in a torrid tilt. The West Siders \time getting started, finally got under way, the points be. gan to roll in the basket, Nanny Shansby was the outstanding star of the day for the Indians, garnering | four baskets and playing a magnifi cent floor game. Capt. Ray did some fine ding, as did his co. worker, Dud Stair. : alwaechter's Quays! showed @ strong finish during the| jumni tilt, last night. With the| jumni outfit leading by only a sin- gle point in the final 30 seconds of play, Percy Boistad, brilliant Hilltop forward, cut loose with a beautiful shot, making the winning basket. Steven Anderson, Queen Anne center, did some nice work, scoring eight points during the evening's entertain. jment, Chet Schlinker and Kazis Kraukzunas played well for the op- position. In the rest of the horses, 1 Pierre yner | 4 ive out: | ne won a 20-19 had a terrible HOPEFUL A 33-year-old busher is coming up| }to try-out with Brooklyn next spring and it is said he has a brilliant future |venina him N | with Jack Dempsey has stirred ¢ | of their priority Memoriam, | college | aggressive floor | - | chase but when they] Morse | JOHNNY DUNDEE 1S WORLD'S MOST REMARKABLE FIGHT WILLS AND GIBBONS BOTH YELPING FOR DEMPSEY BOU' Paddock U P{ for Comment at Conclave A. A. U. Overstepped Au- thority in Suspending Challenger Will Start Real Wo Colored Boy | Is Tired | Slinging Egg Will Try Fighting YORK, Deg. 28,—Ambition fo be the next one in the lela of contenders into unex] activity. Harry Wills and Tommy Gibbons, the two foremost American contends ers, ure preparing to present pi rights to the n shot at the title, and Luis Firpo) | yelping in South America that hasn't a chance to get in the ning. Mullins, manager of 1h negro challen, says that he his boy fed up on promises, th they can't get action and must force it. “i Wills has been scheduled for” bout in Hartford on January 31 Jack Taylor, the negro hea’ |from Omaha, who smacked net | Sid all over the ring in Phila a few days ago. Mullins says he has enough p pects to keep Wills going all win outside of New York and by the tf | the outdoor season comes Wills | have established such a claim Dempsey can't fight anyone else, Mullins insists that they will work for Tex Rickard, altho he jbeen found in heavy conve ; | with Rickard several times recentlys | | Gibbons plans to knock off § jmany players before summer that |will be far out in front and thab Demp: will have to meet him, |Gibbons says nothing about Bee) but he insists that he has claim to a return bout than ae has Gibbons will start his drive in| bout with Fred Fulton in St. and then he is going to start! Firpo. Jack Rena} the heavyweight chai pion, is also in pursuit of Firpo, if) his manager, Leo Flynn, is not spoof: ing, as he was when he announced he wanted Wills. Wills hag Paddy so quickly tha Flynn sent his Cana: dian away to the woods. * | Firpo is sending a flock of cables to Tex Rickard asking that good heavyweight be sent to south ‘ America to help him show the ma tives how good he is. The Ar will have a tough time getting one to go down there, as it is |derstood in Cauliflower Alley Firpo is prepared to pay his | $4.98 and charge him for the be i a eS \STRIBLING TO _ BATTLE SOON NEW YORK, Dec. 23.—Final rangements for the Young Stribli Dave Rosenberg fight, on New ¥f day, were made on Stribling’s arri here today. Stribling, 19-year-old Macon hig school lad, will train at Welsh’s farm, in New Jersey. jenberg is already established in kh ltraining quarters at Brooklyn, men are welterweights. i | “COLONEL” | few lack courage, many fail to reach e-atroke FIRPO-SPALLA SCRAP ¢ ON ROCKS BUED Little josed Er Firpo fight material that he f untry Lui unable at the fight or not at all, ip their difficult and fight it out for a few 8. Spalla is the Italian hamp ardom simply because they refuse to take the game seriously Frank Welch of the Philadelphi Athletics is one player who shoul occupy a much higher rating than his present standing in baseball Welch is fast, has a wonderfu arm, is a good hitter and has plenty Jof courage. In a pinch there is nc | more dangerous batter in the Ameri }can league, For two promise of d |instead of ye Welch has ving into 4 getting Possibly to take the Frank 1 it’s all right out or hit giver el star, bu! somew it is gam: the easy stor fails hy because ore serious. going disposi him whethe run great prospect,” ‘He hasn't arrived ¢ tion Welch | Connie Mack He lacks ut would make r lth P | hopes | proper him a much bette: However, I haven't los look for him to hit hi le of these days. does s will writing about | the abilit | | I one the a real player SIGNS WITH PIRATES | Vern Lewellen, who captained the |1923 Nebraska Cornhv footbal jteam, has signed a co! | Pittsburg Pirates. | ker HAIR TONIC A troupe of Belgian wrestlers the way tv this country omething else to worry 4 or if you wan about GREAT NEWS Tillett, TAILORING fewice See Iagt page of today’s Star Old-Fashioned Goose or Turkey Shoot Victory Sunday, 1 At , Farm, Des 0, 10 Moinos Highwa a.m, to # p.m be He has a | d y i n t has . a certain something r t H Al. 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