The New York Herald Newspaper, March 29, 1879, Page 3

“the debate to-day arose concerning an NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY, MARCH 29, 1879.-TRIPLE SHEET. ‘WASHINGTON. Revival of an Old Custom in the House. IMPORTANT MEASURES TO BE DISCUSSED. Evil Radulting from thé Previous Question Gag Law, THE DEBATE ON THE ARMY BILL. Stalwarts Troubled About’ the Course of the President. The Absurd Reports About Rev- olutionary Projects. FROM OUR SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT. ‘Wasminarox, March 28, 1879. THE DEBATE ON THE ARMY BILL IN THE HOUSE— STALWARTS UNEASY ABOUT THE COURSE OF HE PRESIDENT, ‘The demovrate in.the Honse have wisely agreed that the debate on the palitical clauses in the Appro- Priation bills shall be continued as long as the re- Publicans desire. The ablest men on each side will be heard, therefore, and once more, after many years, the louse will become a speaking body. All the besring and relations of the proposed measures will be discnssed, and the Country will, it is to- be hoped, revive an old and almost forgotten custom and read the speeches. In that way it will be in- structed, not merely on the questions at issue, which are of eo little real importance that either party might surrender without the least harm to any interest, but it will be able to eee what spirit moves the lenders of the two parties, which ‘conteins tho ablest and the most sincerely patriotic men, whose advice the voters this fall and next ‘yearean most safely follow. It is quite an evont that any public question is once more deliberately discussed in the House of Representatives. For many years it has not been a Geliberative body in any true sense, for tho majority have constantly choked off debate by the misuse of the previous question, and the most important measures since the war have been passed with the House deliberately gagged. It may be added that many of these measures could not havo passed had debate, been allowed. The evil cus- tom of preparing bills in the | secrecy of the committee room, introducingjthom under the previous question, refusing to allow discussion and passing them by the mere brute force of an unin- structed partisan majority, is to blame for much of the mischievous legislation which has kept the coun- try in necdless turmoil since 1865. If the democrats should be wise enough to abolish this custom and bring back the good old habit of thorough debate before voting, they. would perform a ser- vice .for which, the country ought to. be grateful, and do what would once more make asoat in the House worthy the ambition of really able men. Moro than this, they would regain for the House the respect and influence which the Senate, where debate is free, has gained at its pense. The debate to-day was comparatively unimpor- tant. Itconcerned a point of order that the politi: woe-not-germene, This point will “be. decided to-morrow, and then the debate on the merits will begin. General Garficld heads the list ‘on the republican side, and Mr. Frank Hurd and Mr, Carlisle, of Kentucky, among the democrats. Poor Mr. Stephens, of Georgia, began to speak to the point of order this eyening and will be heard to-morrow. ‘The only point of importance’ that turned up in ‘tion of Mr. Robeson on the republican side that tho pro- pored amendment would prevent the'use of troops to quell a riot @ the polls. Mr. Carlisle,“democrat, replied at once that this was not correct; that the amendment proposed only ‘to probibit the stationing of troops at the polls in anticipation of a riot, which is true, of course, and a distinction of the last importance, but a sdpient republican, Mr. Lapham, of New York, who will probably be kept in the back ground hereafter by his friends, re- marked that in his opinion prevention was better than cure; and it was better, he thought, to have the troops at the polls, in readiness to put down dis- orders, a sentiment which the late Emperor Napo- leon III. would have heartily applauded. The republicans this evening are uncertain about what the President will do; and this uncertainty ir- Fitates many of them. They sigh for tho good old times when they received their inspiration from the ‘White House, and on political questions pushed on with s certainty that, whatever the merits of what they did, they had no opposition to fear at the other end of the avenue. The President has refused to commit himself to any course beforehand, and there is a report that he wants the ques- tions thoroughly and exhaustively discussed in thé two houses irf order that their merits or demerits shall be made clear. It is known that he careful reader of the Congressional debates, and that no speech of cither side on any important question is unread by him. He followed the long Senate debato on the silver question, for instance, with unwoaried patience and interest. The stalwarts would rather have him make up his mind without regerd to tho debates; but if this report is correct and tho Presi flent docs read the debates, the responsibility is on the democrats to convince him that they are in the right, and if they fail they will have themsclves: to The wild reports sent out from here of desperate, unconstitutional snd revolutionary intentions on the democratic side in caso of the Prosident’s veto are abeurd and untrue, They aro set afioat for parti- ean purposes end largely in order to slarm the Presi- dent, irritate him, and, as the authors of theso rumors say, “to stiffon his backbone.” The event will show that the democrats do not inten! to leave the government without appropriations, and ti discussions in the democratic caucus showed conclusively that even an attempt to repeal the Supervisor law would have failed in the Houso, Decauno it would havo boen opposed by a largo num- Der ot democrats. Sengtor Lamar said in his caucus specch that he held it to be absolutely right that Congress should appoint officors, likd these super- visors, to bo present at federal elections to witness both tho registration and tho election and count of votos, in order that the House might be able to Gotermine by ite own witnesses as to the rightful- ness of tho election, and this speech was greatly ap- plauded and found but trifling opposition. THE GREENBACKERS TRYING TO SAVE THE * Nation. The fourteen tailors of Tooley street, who call themsclves tho greenback party in the Houso, fol- lowed the prevalent custom and held a caucus to- night. They were prosided over by the celebrated Mondrick B. Wright, whose pet scheme it is bo give a nection of land and $500 to every able-bodicd malo citizen. Besides the fourteen greenbackers tho caucus contsined an equal number of democrats snd republicans, such as Ewing, of Ohio; Kelley, of Ponnsylvonia; Springor, of Illinois, and Yokum, of Pennsylvania, This noble army of roformers re- polved to cure the hard times by rocoining the trado flollar, issuing unlimited stiver, retiring the national bank notes and substituting legal tendera end by laying an income tax. This so-called financial measure thoy determined to presont at the first op- portunity in order to save tho country. Mr. Ewing is nursing the greenbeck movement with the hope of effecting s combination of the dem- greenback party, to which he would like to belong, What Judgo Kelley's little game is is not known. — HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. Wasmincton, March 28, 1879, Mr. Sramvezr, (dem.) of Ill, presented the memorisl of J. J. Wilson, claiming to have been elected @ representative from the Ninth Con- gressional district of lows upon the Sth of November, 1878. He also offered a resolution for tho reference of the petition, together with the certifieate of elec- tion in the hands of the Clerk ot the House, to the Committee on Elections when appointed. Mr. Conarx, (rep.) of Mich., objected to the offer. ing of the resolution. The Sreaxen stated that the resolution was offered aa 8 question of privilege. « Mr. Coxon argued that the memorial should have Deen placed in the petition box, as it did not present in iteelf s matter of privilege. It presented such a farce as would not have been tolerated until the days of Belford and Paterson, froni Colorado. Mr. Paice, (rep.) of lows, also alluded to the whole matter as a farce. Mr, Sprixcen, of Tilinois, called attentfon to the fact that the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. ice), who claimed that the: November election-was a farce, had seen ft to be a candidate at that clection. Mr. Price replied that ho had done so because he bad discovered that # few democrats: were going to vote on the Sth of November, and in order to prevent their coming to Congress and contesting his seat ho had been a candidate. Me, however, did not claim his seat under the November election. H) After some rurther diecnssion the SeraKEn ruled that tho resolution involved a qnestion of privilege, Mr, Coren, of Michigan, moved'to eo modify the resolntion as to refer miercly the memorial and papers in regard to the October election, and the resolution was 0 modified and referred to the Com- mitteo on Elections when appointed, Mr, Younsa, (rep,) of Ohio,-rose to a question of privilege and stated’ that a” resolution hid boen adopted for the investigation of charges made against himself and his colleague (Mr. Butterworth, of Ohio), charges which, if true, vagnt to send both of them to the Penitentiary. They had felt the eting of that attack and had bronght the matter before the Grand Jury of Hamilton county, » majority of whom were democrats, That body had reported that it had examined fitty wituesses, including those per- sons who had signed the memorial presented to Co: *,and fromthe testimony given had found nothing to warrant its taking any activa in the mat- ter. He had anole trom that report, not in order to prejudice the House or the cominittee which was to examine the cht but in order to show his col- leagues that in ilton county he and his col- Jeague (Mr. Butterworth) were not reyarded as bad men, but as men who had some standing thero, THE ADMY BILL. ‘The Honse then, at one o'clock, went into Com- mittee of the Whole (Mr. prrineer in the chair) on the Army Appropriation bill. Mr, Dipaett, (dem.) of Tenn., submitted gn amend- ment providing that nothing in the act shall pre- vent the promotion of any captain who has served twenty years in the army. Adopted. On motion of Mr. Carxrs, of Indiana, the amend- ment was adopted providing that any officer hereafter retired on account of wounds received in action shall be retired at the highest rank ho ever held (ex- elusive of brevet rank) in the regular or volunteer service, Mr. Caverns, (rop.) of Ind., submitted an amend- ment providing that the actual time of service in the army and navy shell be allowed all officers in com- puting theinpay. ted. ‘TROOPS AT THE POLLS. The consideration of the bill having been con- poe pope agg a statutes allowing, the militar, ve ace at the polls, that section waa yea . - Mr. Conger, of Michigan, rose toa point of order that the section changed existing law and did not ro- trench expenditt It could not be held seriously that striking out the worcs “to keep the peace at the polls’ retrenched expenditures. Mr. Sparks, of Hlinois, admitted that the section changed ¢: law, but argued that it retrenched expenditures. He hoped for the credit of free insti- tutions that such an American principle had not been eo largely acted uj as to allow # sovereign citizen to be watched at the poils by his own servant with a musket in bis Mr. Frre, (rep.) of Mo., argued that the scction did not retrench itures, It did not affect the transportation of the army, becauso tho President was Commander-in-Chief and could transport troops wherover he pleased, and there was no power in the House to eay that he should transport the troops here and not there.’ Mr. Rovrxsox, (rep.) of Mass., made an argument in the same line. Mr. Sranxs, of Iitluols, asked Mr. Robinson whether, if os which the army could be plied wore |) that would: not ‘necese: reduce expenditures. ‘Mr. CASWELL, (rep.) of Wis.—Does not keeping the peace tend to ee expenditures ? Mr. Rostxsox—I go deepor than that question goes. You cannot take from the President the powor to send the urmy even to put down domestic violence atthe polls. If you cannot take away that power you caunot save a dollar, ; Mr, Sranks—Can we not repeal this statute and may ae ee shall not be used to keep peace'at e pol . Mr. Roprxson—What I say is this, thot if Congress ‘undertakes to do what the constitution says it shall not do it dees not control the power of the Presi- “Ste MeLare, (deta.) of Md., exproarod a » McLANE, (dem.) of np OX! is belie! that the proposition contended for on the republican side (that Congress could not cconomite money by controlling the use of the army) had never been made before in cither house of Congress. He con- tended that the power to make rules and regulations for the governinent of the army and navy was « fundamental power of Congress, and ho had never heard that power questioned. Mr, HaxkELL, (rep.) of Kan., asked Mr. Mclean whether he had tead the fourth section of the con. stitution, which says that the United States shall guaranteo to every State aropublican form of gov- ernment and shall protect it ‘and (on the application of its Legislature or Governor) bce lomestic violence, and whether, in spite of is proposed repeal, the President could not, on the application of the Governor ot New York, order gene im. cate ‘the peace at the polls in thecity of jew Yo! ir. McLaxg replied that the question was not at all A pertinent to the question at issue. ir. HAsKELL—Under the operation of this law, do you pretend to say that under no circumstances shail any armed body of troops be sent to any poll? Task you whether, in spite of this proposed repeal, if the Governor of the State of New York shou'd on election day ask the President that troops should be | Nrog him right there at the pulls to put down vio- ence, the troops would not be sent under the con- stitution? Mr. McLaxz—Whenever the Governor of 4 Stato certifies to the President that he cannot suppress in- surrection that is oxisting, the President is bound by the constitution to send to suppress it. Mr. Hasxevi—And would be, in spite of this law. Mr. McLangz—No law of Congress can control that power. Mr. McManox, (dem.) of Ohio—-The section speaks of armed enemies of the United States. Lask the gentleman from Kansas when persons become armed enomtes ot the United States? Mr. Haskett—Judging from the remarks on one side of this House since the Forty-fourth Congress, I declare before my Maker that I not know what sthat side of the House would consider to a he United States. (Applause on ‘the re- publican side.) Mr. Ketren, (rep.) of Ohio, arguod against the pro- Posed section. POWER OF THE PRESIDENT. Mr. Canxisix, (dem.) of Ky., thought the House and the country would hesitate a long time beforo ac- cepting the doctrine laid down the gentleman from (Mr. Frye) that tho ident of the United States as Commander-in-Chiet of the Army can transport troops wherever and uso them for whatever purpose he ploases with or with- out tho consont of Congress. This was tho first time he had ever heard such doctrine an- nounced by a gentleman of such respectability ‘and intelligence as the tloman from Maine. are tho King of Great Britain could raise armies without the authority of Parliament, yet for more than two hundred ycars Parliament, bytes | the Lords and Commons of England, had controll the King in the use of the army. In this country the it could not enlist, arm, equip or use @ wh soldier without the consent of Congress, and yet there was now claimed for him a power far more extensive and far more dangerous to Liberties of the people than the mon: rch of Great Britain pos- sessed. He undertook to affirm that wader the con- stitution of the United States the President had no moro right to use the army and the navy or any part of it to protect the States against domestic vio- lence or to enforce the Stato laws, except ho was authorizd to do by act of Congress. Did the gentlomer on the other side mean to aay that tho provision of the constitution which made it the duty of the United States to quarantce to every State @ hip Green oe form of government conferred upon the ‘ident—a singlo officer of the United States—that power? Wore the gentiemen prepared to go before tho country on the position that tho President was tho United States Mr, Conorn asked Mr. Carlisle to whom tho applt- cation to protect a State from ‘violence cao if not the ident? oe Mr. CARLIsL® replied that the application came to the President, 9 constitution made it tho duty, not of the President, but of the United States ax » wernment, to protect the States from domestic vic- lence on the application of the Governor or Legisla- ture, He repeated the proposition that under that provision of the constitution the President did not possess without legislation on the partot Congress one particle of power to use the army and navy for that purpose. Mr, Baxnk, (rep.) of Pa.—Did not this legislation, ng itis now proposed to repeal, confer it upon “9 ¢ Mr. Cantiste, of Kentucky—Yos, and tho same power that conferred authority on him ty #lation can take itaway from him. (Applause dA the demo- .tion riots, which were the bi lisle of the time when marines wero’ sent to an elec- tiou poll in Washington city and when fourteen American citizens were shot down, and he remarked that that act had been sustained, Mr. CaRcixie replied that he remembered the occa- sion; but he that the District of Columbia was under the exclusive jurisdiction of Congress, and that the republican party had complained loudly and long of that act. Waurrx asked him whether his predecessor, Mr. Burnett, of Kentucky, had not defended the use of the troops to keep peace at the polls, ° Mr. C, admitted that he had done so as to the District of Columbia, but not as to any State, Mr. CaRLIsLE repeated the assertion that all the authority which the President to-day to use the army and navy iu protecting States against domestic violence or in assisting States in enforcing lew was derived, not from the provision of the con- stitution which had been |, but from the act of Congress of Sebroe. 28, 1795, amended in 1307. It was under that act that the President proceeded in every instance that the army or navy was sent into a Stato for [otal against domestic violence. That act had been passed by the men who framed the constitution and who ew what the constitution meant. It that in case of insurrection ina the government thereof it shalt for the President, on the Eg asa of the Legislature of such Stato, or oft Executive when the Logislature cannot be convened, to call forsuch number of militia from any other State or States as he may deem sufficient, and on like application to employ for the same pur- the land snd naval force of the iy necessary. That was and the ouly foundation on which rested to-day all'the authority that the Presideut had to use the army or navy for such purposes, aud he submitted to his friends on the other side whether it was not entirely’competent for the power which conferred that authority to take it away again, to modify it or to alter it. He denied, however, that even under that authority (if left without any modi- fication) the Presideut could send a soldier into a State to stand around the polls on clection day for the purpose of keeping the peace. Ho denied what had been asserted by the gentlemen from Maine (Mr, Frye) that the United States deputy marshals could now call on the army to assist them im keoping the peace. Mr. Frye-—Does not the gentleman from Kentucky know that Mr. Cushing, m he was Attorney Gen- eral of the United States, gave au opinion that the marshaly and deputy 1 hals can call upon United States sdldiers as @ posse comitatus in the enforoe- ment of the law? Mr. Cantasi.x—I beliove he did. ho gentleman in commencing his it Mr. Fry. speech stated that it was claimed by me that the President had: power to transport troops wherever | he pleased for any purpose whatever. 1 did not say 80; I did not claim it aud Tnever claimed it. What Tclaimed was simply this, that if these words “to keep the peace at the polls’ were stricken out, that would not be any restriction whatever on the power of the Commander-in-Chief of the Army to transport. the army from berrack to barrack, and from State to State, as he saw fit. That is all that Iclaim, and does not the gentleman admit that? Mr. CaRLisLe—I agree to that. Mr. Fnrx—I was simply illustrating it to show. brs this section does not on its face reduce expen- ures, Mr. CanuisLe—But if the President desires to transport tho srmy not only from post to post within the States and Territories, but to distribute it among all the polling places, I ask the gentleman if the cost of transportation would not be greatly increased ? Mr. Fuxe—Not necessary. (fronical Jaughter on the democrate side.) The President might desire to transport the whole army tothe borders of Texas. ‘That would be much more expensive than placing half a dozen sofdicrs at a poll in the South to - fate the whole white population of that voting ict. Mr. CaRLisLe—While the constitution provides that it shall be the duty of the United States to guarantee to every State a republican form .of government and to protect them against domestic violence, it also. confers upon Congress by express provision the Power to puss all laws that may bo necessary and proper to execute tho powers conferred on Congress oronany department or officer of the government, and in the exercise of that power Congress passed the acts of 1795 and 1807, under which this constitu- tional provision is to be executed by the President. Mr. Ropexon, (rep.) of N.J., asked Mr. Carlisle whether he thought that the proposed section of the bill would ropeal the law of 1795 and 1807 and restrict *the power of tho President as conferred by that law. Mr. Canrtinte—I do not, because I do not think that that law authorizes the Prosident to use troops at the polls to keep the peace. I think that the whole effect of it is to authorize the Président to send troops into the State to protect the State against domestic violence, on the application of its Governor or Legislature, and that it did not authorizs him to send troops to stand at the ballot boxes and arrest citizens who came to vote. Mr. Ro»eson—If the Executive of a Stato calls on the President to suppress domestic violence, and it the domestic violence is at the polls where a general election is taking place, is not the President rund, under his oath of office, to comply with that request? ‘Mr. CamListe—tIf the application is made in regular form, under the act of Congress, I admit that it is the duty of the President to send the troops, but F say that when these troops have gone into a State and have dispersed the mob or tho insurrectionists, or whatover they be called, who are acting in resistance to the pe Pacition: they. have por- formed their duty and must stop at that... hay ane not stay at the polls to protect the peace there, Mr. Ropesox—Nobody is now disputing that.ques- ‘tion, but I ask the geutleman whether.or not this | oe i section would take away the — of the eens to do that if he were probably called upon ir. CARLIS.E—It certainly will not. Mr. Ropeson—It that be so, and if it does not take axa the President’s power, and if that contingency shall happen, as it povslbly misy, stat if offers of the army are sworn to obey the lawfal orders of the President, then what becomes of the oflicer who is ordered by the President to suppress a riot and to niet domestic violence at a piace where a gencral lection has taken ? Mr. CanListe—The gentleman from New J is asking me questions on one subject and I am dis- cussing another su! Of course an officer is bound to obey the order of the President when the President is acting in strict conformity to the law. But we are discussing the question whether or not soldiers can‘'be sent into a State tor the purpose of keeping the peace at the polls, not for the purpose of suppressing domestic insurrection or violence. The two propositions are altogether different in their na- ture. y stand upon altogether different founda- tions. The one is essential to the preservation not aa of the peuce but of the very existence of the nion. Mr. Ronrsox—Do you understand that the Presi- dent of tne United States is included in the scop: of this section, which spesks of any other person on- ed in the civil service of the United States?” if ¢ is, and if he be called upon, by the Exeentive of a State, properly, and in & proper manner, and if he venpcale to that call, would he be liable to punish- ment under the provision of the section? Mr. CAnlaisLe—My first answer to tho question is that the President cannot be properly called upon to do a thing which he hes no power todo. In other words, that he cannot be properly called upon to send troops into a State to preserve peace at an clec- on. Mr. Roprson—I understand the gentleman to say that he thought the section did not affect the power of the Executive. Mr. Canumsie—In farther to the question 1 desire to say that the words of the section to which the gentleman has calicd my attention ure taken from tho act of February 25, 1865, are an exuct copy, 80 far as they go, of that act. I do not know what construction administration then in power put upon it as to its offect upon the President, nor do I know what construction the administration of Silahod somber put upon it 1 amy uot prepared fo mora ut upon am not pi S exactly what its true constraction ee ido say that this law cannot be so constrned or amended as to punish any officer or citizen for doing that whieh ho has a right to do. + ReaGax, (dem.) of Texas, contended that the point of omer could not be sustained, Inasmuch as no rules had beea adopted for the government of the present House, aud, therefore, the section under dis- cussion Sould come in conflict with no rule. Mr. Laruam, (sep.) of N. ¥., argued that thé section did not upon ite faco retrench ex) bent wigne a vas riote © history of the country, generally followed the viole lection day upon the ballot boxke. ptrpove of pro- = wus to a nieone pre: ight that followed, the government would haye to furnish the poumt of cure. ‘Mr. Hooxen, (dem.) of Miss., thi it wae aatart- ling proposition which hat been torw: by rome gentlemen on the other sido, there wi & man in this country superior to the branch of the government and whd could do more than the law authorized him té do. Thore was no man in the country, however high his position, who must not lower hie lordly head in Sbebieacs the great country—the reprosentati' . It is the right of the people and the duty of their represontatives to ray how, whon and under what circumstances the srmy should bo used. to argue that the section interest of economy, much aa it cat one pur pose for which it was necessary to tse port troops. te Stevuens, (lom.) of Gu, obtatned the floor, ‘Dnt stated that he was unablo to chee: ao. journea, ‘uso of the army for the and, at his siiggestion, the comm: House, at a quarter to fiyo P. M., aj ‘The Clerk read a notice inviting members who de- sired to have measures of financial relief acted npon at the present session to moot this evening, at halt- past seven o'clock, in the Judiciary Commit room. ARCHBISHOP PURCELL’ DEBT. Cincrxxatt, Ohto, March 28, 1879, Some little excitement was occasioned at a meeting of Catholic priests of this diocese last night for the purpose of perfecting plons for the relief of Arch- bishop Purcell, by on announcement thet Frank Grover, Charles Stewart and ThomasScanlon had been appointed by the Archbishop a committee to receive all cheri contributions to the dio- cosan debt, This appointment was to, wn racan that the committce oppointed by tho priests’ was completely ignored, and caused @ bitter discns- Mion, int which ‘Father Callaghan, of tho Cathedral, who was hag! Po to be at By of + Cm intment, was denounced 0 German price on © ‘haali without Conclusion of the Testimony on Both Sides. AN EXPERT WITH A BLACKBOARD, ® The Plaintiff Again on the Witness Stand. —— MRS. HENRIQUES CONTRADICTED. ——_—-+___ A Small Effort to Tamper with a Juryman, (BY TELEGRAPH TO THE HERALD.) Wasaineror, March 23, 1579. Public interest in the mere procectings of the Oliver-Cameron suit is beginning to decline, as the attendance to-day clearly indicated, ‘Tho verdict of the jury is what is now wanted, The spectators were principaliy negroes, Mrs, Oliver was early in attendance, but the attorneys wero Jate. Afewmin- } utes before the Court was called to order a colored man made his appearance bearing a blackboard, which he placed in position near the Judge's bench. This attracted considerable attention and was the subject of much discussion and speculation until its object was made inanifest later in the day, when Professor Edward B, Hay testified that he had oxim- inod.the alleged Cameron letters end assnmed the Bristow letter to be genuino and the others imitations. Professor Hay explained the re- sults of his examination on the blackboard, during which many persons left the court room. The jury at the beginning of Mr. Hay’s ex- planations paid the strictest attention, but grad- ually becamo indifferent, and toward the close hardly looked at the blackboard while he was talking. On the cross-examination the following colloquy took place:— Mr. Peters—Now, Mr. Hay, you have shown how the letters differ. Now go the blackboard and show how they resemble. Mr. Hay—I will, sir, with pleasure, And ac- cordingly he illustrate on the board that the h and @in the Cameron letters strongly resembled those in the Brfstow letter, Mr. Peters, thinking Mr, Hay worked too slowly, said, “Show us some other letters that resemble.” Mr. Hay—We havo to take it slowly. (Laughter.) ‘Now thero are the k, t and f very much similar. Mr. Peters—I will not trouble you to go throngh all the similar letters as it would occupy too much time, (Laughter.) WHAT BECAME OF THE STAMPS. General Butler noticed that the stamps on the envelopes of the Cameron letters were off. “What has become of the stamps?” asked the General. Mr. Peters—You have had the envelopes; may bo you can tell what has become of them? (Commotion,) General Butler—I know nothing about thom. Mr. Peters—Thoy may have droppod off owing to their not sticking well. Colonel Cook—They are like other things in the ase that havo not stuck well. (Laughtet.) At the conclusion of witness Norton's testimony ‘the Judge said he did not think the style of testimony just given should bo pursued further, There was enough in the expert line. THE SAMPLE DIVORCE. Argument sprang up gp admitting the record of the Sample divorce. The discussion took a wide range, and authority after authority was cited to show that the record could and could not be intro- “The question has been ruled ‘both ways.” (Laughter.) Tho Court finally ruled Mat it was incompetent to admit the record. | * % ‘MRS, OLIVER KECALLED, ‘Mrs, Oliver was called in robuttal—(commotion in ‘courtand loud talking)—and she denied the statements of other witnesses in a clear tone, showing not the »| least nervousness. While Mrs. Oliver was testifying Mrs. Henriques changed her reat until she was di- reetiy opposite witness, and during Mrs. Oliver's testimony k her eyes continuously upon her. Frequently Mrs. Oliver would Cesiend toward Mrs." Henriques, but there was not the slightest sign of Mrs, Henriques’ stare disturbing the widow. A long argument arose relative to the admission of the slip oa bearing the sentence “Free pass to Cincinnati from Washington."” Mr. Peters desired to put it in as being the handwriting of Mr. Cameron and that all the experts declined to express an opition on it. His purpose in submitting it was to prove that all the exsminations of the cxperts went to ht, as when a paper with the handwriting of Cameron was produced they ‘‘woakened,” and ld not “Yes” or “No” as to its genuineness. The Court contended that the admission of the slip would be new evidence. Mr, Peters noted an excep- tion to the ruling. After recess the court room became moro crowded. The examination of Mrs. Oliver was continued, and she denied ever having threatened to blackmail Mr. Cameron, as testified by Mrs. Henriques. Mr. Peters asked her object in going to Mr. O'Donough’s house. General Batler—Hold on. She has already stated she went there for a highly Christian purpose. (Laughter.) T. i Oliver, Mrs. Mary 8. Oliver's alleged hus- bai arrived at this point and took a seat near Mrs. Henriques. General Butler having asked witness several juestions to which objection was raised, the Court said it was not good economy of public time to go on with the question. This rather i moe na the General, and it was somo minute® before he could collect himself sufficiently to attack in another manner. Turning suddenly in his chair, he requested Colonel Cook to give him & letter, A search was made, but the pa was difficult to find. Atter consuming fully tive minutes of the time of the Court Colonel Cook handed the General » document tied together with blue ribbon. It was handed to Mrs. Oliver and she looked at it and said, “It the gentleman says"’—— “Stop! stop!" eaid the Gencral, “he might be dead, and then heconld not be produced as — wit ness. You answer yes or no?” Mra. Oliver—Yes, sir, it is all right. teneral ey er ca So have a conversation with mombers of the jury ut the expression you used in Pat letter about colored poopie? Oltver—I vctow ol that | was very sorry that ; I did not know who it through the jury room when I made remark; if the person is on tho jury end rays] made the remark to iufluence him it is so. (Laughtor.) General Butler—Did you know what you were do- ee you made the remark? . Oltvor I did not desire to offend any one. Mr. Daracille—We adinit she said it, but did not ‘know what sho was doing. Colonel Cook—She did s yreat many things she did not know at the time might do harza. THR PROCKEDINGS, Professor K. B. Hay was the first witness. Mo had resided in tho city twenty-one yoars; he was an at- torney-at-law and professor of penmanship; he had studied handwriting for thirteen years; the Bristow letter and the two assumed simulated ones had been submitted to him; the Bristow letter shows the characteristics of firmness, decision and certainty ‘Apacing; the other two show tremulonsnces, un- ‘of the way, #0 to tho forme expreaston was exception to ion tho letter, In the letter of Boptember 5, strange to say, there were twenty-two “s’s,” and hero thero were found twenty ee to the rect formation of the letter. He ed ow arked difference between the marking of the ‘y's’ and capital “I's” in tho respective letters. He called attention to the dividing of words and spacing, and pinted out the strong contrast existing between tho Bristow aud the alleged forged letters. Tho words «my dear Mrs. Oliver” in the two letters were exact in longth and space and showed evidence of their tracing ina tremulous band, Upon the whole ox- auination he had no doubt of their being forged letters or a very bad imitation, Crous-examined—He was an expert in the science of accounts; he applied as much as fiftee twonty hours to the study of the threo letters; letters that wero similar were not 90 numerous; there “H's” in the words ‘Harrisbifrg” and the m ing through the three letters, also the “#ke’s 5”? th * wore peculiarly similar, with tho exception that in the Bristow letter they were made in a firm hand andin the other two it trem- bk Mr. Peters—You say © man never would stop to point a figure 6 in @ business letter. Is that a busi- noss letter? Witners—I think it is nothing else, Mr, Petora—Just read it, Witness—‘‘You will be my wifo”—that’s business, reat laughter, in which the Judge participated. itect--By putting the two words “my dear” in the simulated letters ovor each other against a win- a the i si rent. “Ms? Georue Amulter was examined by Uoneral But- Jor. Ho:hed, Koown Mr, Camaton, ity years; ho TAD OLIVER-CAMBRON SUIT| | a lawyer to obtain ‘a divorce from him at the very 3 resides in Middletown and is president of the National Bank in that place; he saw Mr. Cameron's handwriting there almost every day; Gener] Cameron was. the first cashier and was succesded by his son Don; Mr. Cameron was cashier from 1832 to 54, (Lhe letters were shown witness.) Witness said Mr. Cameron wrote the Bristow | but from his general knowl- edge of Mr, Cameron's handwriting he was very firm iu the belief that the other two letters were not gen- uine; had letters in that handwriting been presented to the bank they would have been suspected of being forgeries. Cross-examined—Tne envelope postmarked Sep- tember 5 bears astrong resemblance to Mr. Cameron's handwriting. Mr. A. D, Hazen was examined by General Butler. He resides in this city, and is Third Assistant Post- master General; he had known Mr. Cameron twelve years aud examined his writing; he should think General Cameron wrote the Bristow letter; the other two letters he believed to be imitations. Mr. H. D, Norton was examined by General Butler. He resides in this city and is chief of the Finance division of the Post Oftice Department; he baa studied handwriting for twenty years and had been repeatedly called ax an expert; he knew nothing about Mr. Camcron’s hapdwriting; if the Bristow letter was written by Mr. Cameron tben he should say decidedly that the other two were not written by ‘the same hand; the one was written in a firm, decided running hand, while the others are im an uncertain, tremulons and imitative styJe; the errors are glaring and cannot fail to be perevived at & passing glance; the division of words was so radically wrong as to be- come immediately moticeable, while such wistakes sant be found im the Bristow letter, Peters asked time for the witness to examine a in paper before testifying. The Court refused, saying that he had been delib- erating about cutting oft further. testimony of this character of evidence. The witnesses examined, if believed, were just ax good as a multitude. General Butler—Then you will have no more testi- mony about handwriting? No, sir; that is finished, Then we rest here. TESTIMONY IN Mr. Peters—The iirst thing that wo shall offer in rebuttal. is the record in the divorce suit of Mr. Sample to contradict the witness Mrs, Henriques, General Butler—Weobject, becanse you cannot in- troduce collateral issues into this case, The Court did not think it competent testimony. This was doubtful, even if the record was proof that ithe testimony ‘behind was competent. They must not forget that the parties to the divorce snit were not parties to the present one before the Court. They could interrogate the witness wh upon the stand as to reputation and character, but they must bo content to be bound by the answer. ‘Chis was a proper subject upon cross-examination, and if the answer was collateral to the issue that is where it must stop. Mrs. Oliver recalled—-Sho got the Bible from Mrs. Oliver, who gave it to her; it was presented short] daughter was born; they living in Preston street, Louisville, at the time, Mrs, Oliver was residing in the same house with then; Bowen, the detective, told’ ner that he would ta position in the department; that he had ing tor some time and his means were getting short; when she moved uround on Four and a Halt street he came there, and not agreat while afterward he went back to Pennsylvania; he asked for a copy of the letter from Mr. Cameron, and sho gave it to him; at the same time she missed tho letter from Mayor Wiltz, of+New Orleans, and liad never seen it since. (Paper shown. It was an ordinary piece of soft white paper, on which was written, “Free pass to Cincinnati from Washing- ton’); she got that paper from Mr. Cameron; she wanted to go to Cincinnati to get some ot her things. General Butler interrupted ber and raised the joint that the paper was not admissible at this time. t should have been offered as direct testimony and not in rebuttal. ‘The Court sustained the objection that it was very clear that it was not ‘a competent item of proof as rebutting testimony. MMS. MENRIQUES CONTRADICTED. Witness (resuming)—She was in court when Mra. Henriques testified; she had no conversation with her about Mr. Cameron at any tine, and never said that she intended to blackmail him; their acquaint- ance was only of about a week's standing; she never told any person about blackmailing Mr. Cameron; she did not inquire into Mrs. Henriques’ business, but she had something that she was sclling; ut the time that she roomed with Mrs. Henriques she had a room at Mrs. Sherwood’s, ou Cstrect: it was cheap, and she used it to sleep in; she never slept in the room with Mrs. Henriques, Cross-examined—She moved from Mrs. Howel shortly before Mrs. Henriques loft, but she took her meals there afterward; shedid not think that she had either roomed or ‘boarded at Mrs. Howell's sineo she brought this suit: she moved from Mrs. Sher- wood’s to Dr. Burchard’s, on Missouri avenue, and at that time she took her meals at Mrs. Howell's; that lady is now alive; she saw her a week ago; the witness never slept in the room with Mrs. Henriques and Mrs. Howell knew whether she did or not; her room at Mrs. Sherwood's was on the second floor, back; some colored persons either had rooms in the house or were servants—she never knew which; she did not remember going to see Mr. R. 8. Davis, but if she suid so it must be true. ‘Mr. Darneille—What has this gotto do with the case at this stage? General Butler—I will tell you once forall. This woman has sworn that she lost a husband in the Ge army; that she ot heard ir. Oliver for sixteen yours, and 7m. she was Consulting ™ ‘time sho was representing herself a widow to Mr. Cameron and others. . ‘The Court ruled that the question was put on direct éxamination aud could not be reopened. ‘Witness Dome cee yg did not remember going to Mr. hall's office with Mrs. Henriques; (let- ters shown) that is a copy of the letter she gave to Bowen, alias Benner; she gave a copy aiso to Preacher Matchett; she did not swear on the first examination that she never gave a copy of the letter to either of these two ste never swore that she did not have such a k or give a copy to Mr. Rogers; she had not spokeh to any of the jurymen anywhere on the subject of her letters, but :f they said so then she would adimit it; she said, in passin, out, to a colored man, thet she was sorry thai the paragraph about colored ‘was read, for she did not generally ex herself in that way; she was passing through the jury room and stopped and made the remark; if the juryman says that she knew he was a juror then it must be 80; sho did not Teally remember saying that she was a Southern born lady. General Butler—Well, South? ate all I can learn I was born in Ire- ‘were you born in the General Butler—Yes, but you told the Treasury Departmont that you were born at Key West? ‘itness—Mr. Cameron told me to do that; he said I had better select some Southern State, as the Irish were not respected in this country, General Butler—You had better be careful, madam; ghere may be some Itishmen on the jury. Commodore Stewart was from Pennsylvania. Why did you wish it to appear that you were from Fiorida and still his daughter or granddaughter. Witness—Why, sir, he had connections in Florida, General Butler—What kind of connections? Witness—Naval connectjons, I suppose, Mr. Peters—Well, Your Honor, that closes our case entire, I believe. Iwould ask that an order be made that the Bible brought here by Mrs. Oliver, unless it is to be used in the argument, be returned to her. The Court—I do not think that I will enter an order of that kind. What does she want of the heir- loom ot a family which she has testified that sho does uot belong to? ag: bring witnesses hare to prove that it was stolen. No, I will not make any such order. The plaintiff? desiring time, the Court adjourned until to-morrow morning, after cautioning the jury to hold no conversation with outsiders upon the sub- Sect.of the trial. NAVAL INTELLIGENCE. THE POWHATAN REFITTING AT NORFOLK, (SY TEDxenaPH To THE HERALD.) Nonrons, March 28, 1879, The flagship Powhattan will recetve some impor- tant repairs and overhauling during her stay here, when she will leave on a cruiso to the northern and éastérn'coast of the United States, taking with hor two or moro of the other vessels of the squadron. Bho will leave here carly in June sud will go as far as — Admiral Wyman trent to Washington to- nig) THE NAVAL ACADEMY. CADET ENGINEERS TO BB ADMITTED—EXAMI- NATION TO BE PASSED AND PHYSICAL QUALI- FICATIONS REQUIRED, ASNaPouts, Md., March 27, 1879. There are twenty-five cadet engiaecrs to be admit, ted into the Naval Academy this year by competitive examination. Those who desire to enter the lists will have to make application 'to the Secretary of the Navy, and their names will be placod on the registry. | No preference of selection is given for priority of application. The application of a candidate must ve accompanied by satixfactory evidence of moral character and health, with information regarding date of birth and cducational adyantages hitherto enjoyed. Candidates who reedive permission will mt themselves to the Superintendent of the Na- val Peeeny, on the Ith of September for exumina- tion as to their qualitications for admission. THE KXAMINATION. This examination mpetitive and will bo on the following subjects :—Arithmetic, algebra, throngh equations of the first degree, plane geometry, rudt- mentary natural philosopny, reading, writing, spell- ing, Nish grammar, English composition and soouraphy. The candidate will aleo be required to exhibit a fair degree of proficiency-in i sketeh- ing and to produce sati ory evillence of mechani- Gal aptitude and on ¢ stacntaty knowledge of the prinel Jes governing the action of the steam engine. Caudidates who possess the greatest skill and expe- rience in the practical knowledge of machinery, other qualifications being equal, shall have prece- donee tor admission, candidate will also have to bo at least five feet hfgh and mist not be less than sixteen nor more thau twenty years of age, ‘he course ‘of stu will compriee four years at the Naval Academy and two hid@itional years at sen, All cadets who dinally graduate will be commissioned an neers in the navy sue oy ae tones he pay ® cadet o1 oor wi javal Academy ts $500 por ‘ates % THE STATE CAPITAL. CONTINUED AGITATION CONCERNING THE “OLD GvaRD” AND THE “COMBINATION” —THE GUMBEETON MATTER IGNORED—GOVERNOR ROBINSON DECIDES THAT SUPERINTENDENT OF INSURANCE SMYTH SHALL NOT HAVE IN- CREASED POWERS, ALvany, March 28, 1879, The House adjourned from one o'clock to-day until Monday evening, without having reached the resolution calling for the appointment of a special committee of five to investigate the Gumbleton case. It was stated that this early adjournment was bronght about by the “Old Guard,” who felt that if the resolution were called up to-day they would be badly beaten in an aftempt to pass it. Every suc- cessive defeat materially weakens the power and ‘political influence of the republican leaders who organized the Assembly last Jenuary, and necessarily strengthens the hands of the in- dependent contingent» fighting under the leadership of George B. Sloan. The “machinists” and “‘corporationists” evidently cannot get over tho idea that they are able to carry on their little and big games with as much impunity as in’ former years. Public opinion has been aroused and public forbearance stretched to its fullest limit. It is this condition of affairs which rallies nearly all the intel- Higence and honesty of the lower House around Mr. Sloan. The “machine” republican leaders had better awaken to this state of affsirs before they bury themsclves in politieal graves by continuing to enter into all sorts of corrup! bargains with political op- ponents, corporations and other notorious monop- olies. THE FAMOUS REMOVAL BILL. ‘The proof of the statement in to-day’s Henarp, that the bottom had already fallen out of the “Belden-Tammany-Anti-Tilden-Machine-Republican” combination, as against the Tilden-Robinson-Cooper cohorts, was. evidenced this morning in the motion made by Mr. Langbein, that his now celebrated Re- moval bill—which hud been reported for considera- tion of the House—should be recommitted to the Committee on Cities. This motion was carried without a word of objection. The “Old Guard” saw that opposition was absolutely uscless. Mr. Lang- bein, too, drew in*his horns carefully by stating that he’ was not responsible for the provisions of the measure, as he had simply introduced it by request. It is considered that the movement will result in effectually squelohing the proposition to strike at Governor Robinson's and Mayor Cooper's power as to removal of corrupt heads of depart- ments in New York city. ASSEMBLYMAN DEAN'S INDIGNATION, Mr, Dean introduced @ bill some three weeks ago, which was published in the Hrnap at the tthe, and which aims to consolidate the Fire and Building de- partments in New York, place both under four com- missioners—two democrats and two republicans— and reduce the salaries of all officials connected with these bureaus. He wishes to have the bill rinted so that it cango on the file for considera- ion, To-day he made a stern attack upon the Chair- man of the Committee on Cities, to which the bill was referred, for not acceding to his request in thie connection, Ho stated that the majority of the members of thut committee were in favor of his propositions. . The Speaker ruled this motion out of order at the time Mr. Dean made the suggestion. BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS. As a substitute for a, bill introduced py Mr. McDonough the Judiciary Committee has reported &@ measure empowering the Secretary of State to organizo a bureau in his department to take charge of all matters relative to the compilation of labor statistics. The expenses are limited to $5,000 per annom. THE SHERIFF'S FEES. The bill prohibiting the Sheriff of New York from receiving fees and fixing a salary of $10,000 per annum for that oflleial was reported adversely from the Judiciary Committee and the report agreed to. ANOTHER VETO FROM THE GOVERNOR, ‘The Governor sent the following veto:— Stare or New Youn, Executive Cnamnrn, Atwaxy, March 28, 1879, Lroturn, withont my approval, Assembly bill No. 23, ene titled “An act end chapter 241 of the Laws of entitled ‘An act to prevent the making and iention of false or deceptive statements in_ relation to the business of fire insnrance.’” The object of thin bill is to add to the ha,act of 1877 for making false and ‘of companies named the following provisi bo the duty of the Su- perintondent of the Insurance Department of this State to take cognizance of the provisions of this act, and in the event of violation theroof by any insurance ‘compan ‘To The Assen penalties. imposed b deceptive statemen it sball be his duty, if the company be chartered by thie State, to roport tlio same to the Attorney General for dis: solution: and if it be, a company Incorporated other Stato or country it shall be his duty to revok thority todo business in this, This -pnt inthe oxepssi of samy pl At. ve penalty for an offence to which wv has sirondy fixog! roper and sufiiciont punishmentt It vosta in the Supe: Fondent of the Insurance Department the power of annt- hilating the business of an insurance company for ever 50 slight a violation of tho provisions of the act sought to be amonded, and makes it pubstantially his right and daty to ruin every company which, in his judgment, has trans- gressed any part of the provisions of the act. "It docs not seom to mo that such an arbitrary and ruinous penalty is necessary. It should not, in my Judgment ven to a Uspartmeat orany oflecr toinhictit, ke ROBINSON On motion of Mr. Hayes the message was laid on the table. ® BEW YORK'S WATER SUPPLY. Mr. Brooks introduced a bill in relation to a water supply for New York city. It provides that the Gov- ernor shall nominate and, with the consent of the Senate, appoint five persons, who shall be known as water commissioners forthe said city. It shall be the duty of the said commissioners to examine and consider all matters relative to ulating or controlling the use of the present supply and ob- taining on additional supply; also the question of the removal or discontinuance of the present res- ervoirs et Fifth avenne and Forty-second street. The said commissioners shall receive no compensation for services, but all reasonable ‘expenses incurred under this act, not exceeding $20,000 in the aggre- gate, shall be borne by the city of New York and shall be paid by tho Comptrolter of said city. STATE REFOUMATORY FOR WOMEN. The bill appointing a commission to sclect a site for a State refo ry for women and ate ing $25,000 for its purchase came up in the Senate to-day. Before taking a vote it was amended by in- creasing the number of commissioners. On motion of Senator Murphy the name of Henry L. Hoguet was added to the list. Senator Ackley added that of Richard Busteed and Senator Sessions that of P. E. Jones, The full list as completed includes the names of William W. Way, George Dawson, E. ¥. - Boynton, Frederick B,’ Huntingdon, Daniel A. Cole, tS ooigg ba hs pig George J. Mageo, m2 ic, O. E. Jones, Ed- ward C. Donnelly, M, B. Anderson and Richard Bus- teed. The bill was then voted upon and lost—I3 to 8—leas than two-thirds voting in its fevor. lor St. John, who has been and is in favor of some prac- tical plan to carry out the intent of the bill, voted against its passage on the ground that the Senate had anade the commission so unwieldy that no good pur- pose could. be accomplished. Senator Pomeroy thought the bill would improve morality and reduce expenses: preventing crime. Holding that view, he moved to reconsider the yote by which the bill was lost and to have that motion lay upon the table. Senator Jacobs alleged that the Board of State Charities is beginning to outrun its intent and usefulness, “If we pay further attention to their recommendations,” he added, “they will burden the State in five years with a colossal indebt- edness.” Senators McCarthy and Raines said that a portion of the Board were opposed to the bill. Mr. Jacobs looked uy the discussion as to this bill as fully confirming his belief that no lady ought to hold a position on a public commission. ators were Peiredly unable to resist her arguments, Senator ymeroy’s motion was carried. sh taeuens ene ane waeeee vin tl iment, National Guard (Washington Greys), iSnowing the Seventh in numerical order, areanxious to follow that famous regiment also in. the matter of getting a new armory. A bill intro~ auced by Senator Eoclesine p for en 4} propriation of $100,000 to purchase land in New Yo: Tous Powe ba and -_— beta an eatin t iment a battery lery and re, ee tavalty and for the ee | of the Third ” ‘The Adjutant General the Chief of Ordnance are made commissioners to direct the expenditure of the appropriation; but it is provided that, none of it shall be paid out except upon the contract for the completion of the armory within the limits of the eee leer ae and until aa indefeasible title shail have uired to the cq’ necessary land. PAY OF RECEIVERS, A measure which will give unall satisfaction to many is the bill of Senator W ver providing that mo receiver of a banking institytion shall re ceive more than $10,000 in any one year for his ser- vices in connection with the defunet institution. WAR ON CROOKED WHISKEY. (sy TELecrarn To THE HERALD.) Hittsporo, N.C., March 28, 1979. Yesterday afternoon Revenue Officer J. B. Mason and a se of six mon made a raid in the south- western part of Orange county sod captured two illicit distilleries near Union Mills, about twelve miles from here. The stills are supposed to have beon the property of Thomas J. Oldham, one of the proprietors of the Union Mills, Oldham was at the mills when the stills were destroyed by the officers, and he abused and cursed tho men ‘and imme- diately lett. Ho returned in about half an hour with a force of seven men, srmed spon ry Sadsetance, ‘sata ving Dut little damage, w em at a a lo" ety shot, and the in- as the guns were loaded with sm: seating was ovideutly to frighten the es 4 Mason's was but poorly armed, and smalle in number than Oldham’s, heuco did not return tho fire but retired in good order, Oldbam's party then took to the woods and the revenue raiders came here for reinforcemeuts and left again this morning for the econo of yesterdny's strife to renew the confi! if necessary, andcopture tho mo a st —_