The New York Herald Newspaper, June 8, 1876, Page 4

BUAINE EXULTANT anew Ai) ET Investigation of the Sub-Judiciary Com- mittee by the Ex-Speaker. - THE LUTPRELL AND TARBOX RESOLUTIONS. Ways That Are Dark and Tricks That Are Vain by Ex-Confederates. EVERY FACILITY FOR REPORTERS. Why Did Proctor Knott Suppress the Cable Despateh of Caldwell? TEXT OF THR FAMOUS WOCUMENT. ——_——_ Presidential Aspirations of Importance to Some and Indifference to Others. Wasmivaroy, June 7, 1876, The Sub-Judiciary Cemmitiee to-day continued the Investigation of the matters affecting Mr. Blaine, Be- fore proceeding to the examination of witnesses Mr. Frye, on behalt of Mr. Blaine* requested that the tele- Bram received by Mr, Knott from Josiah P, Cadwell from London be printed 1n connection with the rest of the testimony as ordered by the committee. Mr. Hunton said the sub-committee bad no official Knowledge of the existence of such a telegram; that was 4 matter in the hands of the full committee, Mr. Ashe said he never heard of the despatch till Mr. Blaine alluded to it on the floor, Mr. Hunton said he knew of it, but was not certain he saw it. Mr. Blaine—Do you know why Mr. Knott did not ay it before the sub-committee? Mr. Hunton—You will have to ask Mr, Knott about tbat. Mr, Bluine—I did ask, but could not find out. Mr. Frye submitted a motion that the sub-committee ‘equest the tull committee to furnish the despatch tor publication with the testimony, which Mr. Hunton said would be takon into consideration by the sub-com- mittee, Benjamin F. Rice, of Little Rock, Arkansas, testi- fled that be never had any connection with the Union Pacific Company; never had anything to do with the Fort Smith and Little Rock Railroad; he was at one tyme made Secretary of tho road, aud understood that tome shares were transferred to his name in order to qualify him asa director, but ‘he never received the stock, and refused to do so, and never had unything to do with it; knows nothing about the seventy-five bonds which have been spoken of, only as he has read about them in the public prints; knows that some of tho Btock went to Fisher and J. Denckla; bas heard gen- tral rumor that means were used to influence logisla- Hon in behalf of the road, but knows of no specific case of that kind; knows absolutely nothing about the rail- toad transactions which have been under investigation bere tn his presonce. thaniel 8. Rice, of Haverhill, Mass., testified that he was a lana commissioner of the Fort Smith and Little Rock Railroad and a director in the fall of 1873; does not know anything about the disposition of thé bonds and stock of the road; knows nothing about the Stock of thut road that went into the hands of the Union Pacific road, only what he bas seen 1n the papers since this investigation was commenced; knows of the bale of ten or a dozen benas only; they brought about sixty; bo bonus went with the bonds which he knew of being sold; knows nothing of the bonds which went into the hands of Colonel Thomas A. Scott and never beard of them until tho matter came out in this com- mittee. Mr, Blaine said he would like to look at the record bf the committee to ascertain when this sub-committee was appointed. Mr. Huntou—This sub-committee has no more right with the record than auy other member of the com- mittee. The record is in charge of the clerk. Mr. Blaine—Is it necessary for the clerk to be here before we cao open the book and examine it? Mr. Hunton—Mr, Frye or any other member bas as much right to look at the book aa the sub-committee has. Mr. Blaine—Then if Mr. Frye can look at it I will look at it, Mr. Blaine walked over and took the book, saying a question of veracity had arisen between Mr, Knott and himself, and he regretted that Mr. Knott was not present. He wanted to exhibit to the world that the Tecords show that the sub-commitiee was appointed May 3, the Tarbox resolution was passed May 2, while Mr. Knott had stated on the floor of the House last Monday that he bad appointed the sub-committee long betore the Tarbox resolution was passed. He desired to suow that (he records of the cotmmittee did not bear out the statement of the chairman, Mr. Knott T. A. Green was then sworn. Whereupon Mr. Blame suid be understood that the committee were now going into apother branch of the investigation. Mr. Hunton—How do you know iY Mr, Biaine—You so stated to me yourself, Mr. Hunton—Well, if you say: I did, | presume it ts ¥o, though | do uot reeail it Ar. Blaine said he bad seen in the papers that this wit- bess Was going to be examined in relation to trangsctions of himseli (Mr. Biaiue) with J.B, Stewart. He desirea to bave Mr. Stewart present when the witness testified, Mr. Hontou—Do you wish Mr. Stewart summoned? Mr. Blaine—Yes, sir. Mr. Hunton—Very well; it sali be done. Mr. Hunton uotitied the Sergeant-at-Arms to summon Mr, Stewart by telegraph at once. The witness then testified that he resided in St. sJosoph, Mo., and was acquainted with the busi of the Kansas Pacitic Railroad Company. Mr. Frye—Mr. Blaine has asked that tho examina- tion of this witness be deferred Uli Mr. Stewart shall be Present, Do I understand that request to be denied? Mr. Hantoo—I jot 80 understand it, Mr. Blaine—I desire to muke that request now.* Mr. Hunton—The commiitee will take it into con- Vderation. ir. Hunton was proceeding with the examination, when Mr. Blaine objected to talking of the Kansas matter till the $64,000 question was disposed o!, Mr. Hunton—Why do you object? Wo are iwvestiga- ting the Coron Pacific Railroad. This will probably take us three months to compie Mr. Blaine—-fLough it is the Union Pacific, | want to ow that it ts alined at me, and that for a purpose. Mr, Hunton—I want to say that, when you charge that this investigation was Set on loot for purpose: aingt You, you state what is not so, 1 want to make it thorough, atthe same time us kindly as it can be Jone. After some consullation the witness said he would like to go on with bis statement, and he would remain bere and meet Mr. Stewart as long as Mr. Blaine or the committees should desire. Thereupon Mr, Blaine waived bis request, and (ho witness testified that in 1864 the Kastern Division of the Union Pacific Ratiroad @ a contract with Samuel Hallet to build the road, reed to give bim all their bonds and stock and ib Hallet sook in as ant, In Octo. ber, 1864, Mr. Hallet 1 the bonds tod. B. Stewart, the laiter the author of the touth section of the act of Congress of 1864, whereby the credit of the road was strength. ened. While the witness Green was testifying Mr. Knott fame in, apd a spirited col.oqay took place between Messrs, Blaine ana Knott, the latter saying that we former had raised « question of veracity between them Covcerning the appointment of the sub-committee. Mr. Blaine interrogated him, wishing to kaow why be bad withheld the telecram ti) this time, several da: having elapsed. The reply was that he wxbed to verity ft. Mr Biaine said that could be done by telegeaphing to the Loudon ollice. Mr Biaine expressed the belief that sf the wiegram had contained anything agaimst bim Mr. Knott would have given it to the public at onee, to which Mr. Knott said with much earpestness, Advaneing to hisn:— | “What do you gay, sir? What do you say? Do you | mean that] would de you an injustice?!” io which Mr. Blaine replied, retaming bis seat, “L believe if ihe despatch bad contained anything yng to we you would bave speedily made tt public; thaus what l Mr. Hunton called upon both gen: img each other, as both an opportunity for explanation. Mr, Knott explained bow he appointed the sub-committee, and the members verified bis statement, but it did not, for some reason, appear on the record. Mr. Blaine ‘Wags right aocording to the records of the commitiee, ‘and Mr, Knott was right on the matter of fact con- @erning the time when the sub-committee was ap- pointed. Mr. Hanton—Mr. Knott desires to make a statement fat this point in regard to the appointment of the sub- Committee. ir. Kuott—I bave just been told that Mr. Blaine bas called attention to an entry on the docket of the Com- multtee on the Judiciary to show that this sub-commit- tee was appotuted on the 3d of May, Mr, Bk ipe-—Vhat 1s what the docket says. Mr. Knott—Preeisely; and | understand that Mr, Blaine has called the atiention of the reporters to that tact 19 order to show that I told an untruth. Mr. Blaime—I said that you contradicted my state- ment, and that it was a question of veracity between us, be Knott—I did not contradict any statement you ie. Mr, Blaine—When | had ted that this committee had been appointed to exanfine this matter you rose and said this committee bad been appointed before and that you bad wot heard of my name in connection with the matter, Mr, Knott—I understand tbat Mr. Blaine bas called the attention of the reporters— Mr. Biaine—I called the attention of the committee and the reporters. Mr, Knott—Precisely so. We will now have the facta, and I will be obliged to the ‘ters to the facts as L state them. Some time what is known as the Luttrell resolution was introduced, how long | do not know, but within a comparatively short time, I pro- posed to appoint a sub-committee to investigate the subject matter of that resolution. I went to my friend Mr. Hurd and asked him if he would take a place on that sub-committee, He deciined to do so or asked to be excused. I went to Mr. Frye aud proposed to hii to take a place on the committee, but Mr. Frye reamrked that he was inthe mivority and did not propose to do any more work than was necessary, or words to that effect I then went to Mr, McCrary and asked him it it would be agreeable for him to serve on the committee, Mr. McCrary remarked that there was a gentieman ot his State who was involved in those railroads in some way and be would rather serve on the committees. I then went to Judge Huvtom atd told bim that 1 wanted him to tuke charge of that resolution as chairman of the committee, He remarked that be would like to have me as chairman. { told him 1 would give him what assistance I could, bat I wanted him to act as chairman of the committee. | wont im- mediately to Mr. Ashe and told him also that | would appoint him on the committee, to which he assented. 1 then went to Mr, Lawrence and teld bim [ wanted him to act on that committee, and he, in his usual good na- bul and pleasant manner, remarked in, [ think, precisely these words, ‘Anything ‘you say, Mr. Chairman.” Now the precise dato | cannot Hx, but it was betore Mr. Frye went North on the can- vass. Whether I omitted to inform the Clerk of the appointment of that committee, or whether I did in- form him and he did not make the entry on the docket, I do not know. The committee, howevar, was ap- pointed at that time, each gentleman consenting to act bpon it A day or two after the Tarbox resolution was passed—I do not speak by the record—the clerk of the committee asked me to whom I would reter it, 1 re- pled to the Committee on the Pacific Railroad resolu- thon. He looked at the docket and remarked that the Dames of Lhe committee were not there, and asked me who they were. 1 responded Judge Hunton, Judge ‘Ashe and Mr. Lawrence. I suppose he made the entry atthat time. I did vot look to see whether be made the entries in both cases at that time or not, but those are the facts. Mr. Blaine—I desire to make a short statement at this point. A Mr. Knott—I desire, first, that those gentlemen who have heard me make my statement shall say whetbor I am correct or not. Mr. Hunton—So faras I know, your statement is, I think, the exact truth. I cannot state the day on which you mentioned this matter to me, but you had mentioned to me, as chairmun of the sub-committec to take charge of this investigation, orQered by the Lat- trell resolution some long time before this other reso- lution was passed. Mr. Lawrence—I do not think [ was in the hall when the Luttrell resolution passed. and ] do not know under what resolution the sub-vommittee on the Pacific Rail- road was appointed; but Mr. Knott called my atten- tion to his having askod me to serve on the sub-com- mittee, a fact which I bad forgotten until he did call my attention to it; and I (ben remem- bered that ho did, as' be says, come to my seat, I think, in the House and asked me to serve on that'sub-committee, and I said to him in_ substance that everything he said I would do, That matter escaped my attention entirely, as I have said, until he reminded mo of it. There was nothing done under that appointment, Mr. Blame (interrupting)—Until after the Tarbox resolution ? Mr. Lawrence—Until after the Tarbox resolution, Mr. Blaine—That is the point | want to get out. Mr. Lawrenco— When the Tarbox resolution was adopted, on the 2dof May, General Hunton said to me that I was to act with him under the resolution, or sometbing to that effect, and said to me tbat 1 should notify Mr, Blame, or could notify him, and that’ he could arrange the time for commencing the examination to suit the con- venicnce of Mr. Blaine. That was the first time that Thad heard any intimation, so far ag 1 can now re- member, that thero was to be any investigation of Mr. Blaine. Mr. Blaine—We found it out very quickly when the committe met, however, Mr. Lawrence—Then it was arranged that nothing should be done urtil after we should return from the opening of the Exposition at Philadelphia, the next week. Mr. Hunton notiticd me that he would com- mence the examination of witnesses on this sub-com- mittee at his house on the evening of the 4th ot May, which was the evening of Mr. Ham's examination, Mr. Blaine—That was the first thing that was done under the Luttrell resolution? Mr. Lawtenco—that was the first thing done under any resolution. I was not present at this examination, though | was notified of the time of meeting. The ex- | amination bas gone on since, asswe all know, That is about the conaition of tue matter as I understand it. Mr. Koott—Mr. Lawrence, at the time I came to you and told you that you were appoiuted on the sub-com- mitte, that was a long time beiore tho Tarbox resolu- tion? Mr. Lawrence—Oh, yes; along time before the Tar- box resolution, and according to my recollection there was nothing said or thought of any investigation as to Mr. Blaine—at least I hud not heard it spoken af so fur as | can remember—ana when I was notified by Mr, Hunton the facts of our previous conversation had escaped my memory, and I supposed it was anew appointment. Mr. Frye—I desire to say simply that Mr, Knott, the Chairinai: of the Judiciary Committee, notified me to mittee under the Luttrell resolution, tion is as a member of the committee, clined, that m a laughing way; in declin- ing I said to him, which L believed to be true, that the democrats were ‘engaged 1 a great deal of dirty work, and |, being of the minority, did not propose to help them any. Therofore I ro, Irom the sub-com- mittee, but that was before | went to New Hampshire in the political campaign ot March, Mr. Biaine—You went to New Hampshire about the 10th of March? Mr. Frye—Yes; and it was prior to that time, Mr. Hurd desire to state that the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee (Mr, Knott), about the time that Mr. Frye speaks of, requested me to act upon th comm and that I declined on the ground that I y on two investigating commiutecs, L had gotten ured of the work of investigation, so ‘ar as I was concerned, and that I did not sntend to be on any more committees, Mir, Ashe—! will state that, so far as I recollect the time when it was first announced to me that this com- mittee was formed, my recollection corresponds with Mr. Knott's statement, Mr. Hunton—I desire to state that we hoid the first meeting at my room and took the testimony of Mr. Ham in relation to the lest bonds of the Union Paciic Rasiroad ; whether after or before that examination I would not be certain—— Mr, Blaine (interposing)—You held that meeting on the 4th of Ma Mr. Hunton—I understand that, Mr. llaine—That was betore the Tarbox resolution. Mr. Hunton—I have not gaid a word about that, If you will let mo fuish my statement you will under- Stand what I say. I say whether 1 was before or after the examination of Mr, Ham I am not able to say, but sou after the introdu probably alter its reference (lam pretty sure sub-commitice to which the Luttrell resolution had been refe sage to Mr. Blaine sub- stantially : ably on the same day. If Lhad to stale that it was on the same day or immediately there- afer. Mr. Blane sent for me to come into the room of the Ways and Means Committee, and there this same statement Was made by me to Mr. Biuine (except that 4. was fuller end more in detail), which I bud asked Mr, Lawrence to teil him. I told him, among other things, that I desired to conduct this examination kindly and , but that it should be as thorough as | it, and he requested me not to enter upon itatouce because he desired to goto the Centennial, This was the week before the celebration at Philadel- phia, at which so many members of Congress attended, Mr. Blaine— Was not that Did it not transpire that you were w and was it not a mutual arrangement? Mr. Hunton—No, sir; there was uot a word about my courts. t. Blaive—Bnt you did go to your courts? Mr, Hunton— Yes, Mr. Biaine—But you say no mention of it was made between us? Mr. Hunton—No, sir. Mr. Binine—My recollection of it is different. jaine sad he wanted to go to¢he HL 10 wet back in time to attend the ment was | It was agreed that the exauii toa of witnesses op the Tarbox resolution suould be posiponed uatil the week succeeding the Centennial Week—I velieve uutil the first day of that week. Un that very day the examination began, and 1 bave endeavored to live up exactly to what | told Mr, Blaine—namely, that the examination should be kindly impartial and thorough. 1am wholly unconscious of having ever departed trom that rule. There has been no delay (as my colieagues ‘on the sub-cominittee will bear me out) on this ives. tigation that could have been tee, There have been several postpopements of ¢xam- inations, but they have generally beeu at the instance ot Mr. Blaine. For the larg part of one whole week (I am speaking somewhat at random as to the tine, but for a cousiderable period at least of one woek), the examination was postponed from day to day Decause Mr. Blaine was sick and unable to be present at the examination of witnesses and to cross-examine them if he pleased. The witnegses were kept here aad the work of the committee was postponed on account of Lis request to have it postponed (hat he might be io attendance, then sick at his house. On sev. on Monday Mr. Baive—Ob, no! Not on during the time | was sick, Mr, Hunton—Yes, sir; I think so, Mr, Biane—I think not, sit. Never, except when I was sick, sv sick that] was mi bed, . Mr. Hunton—Weil, that question is not up, at any rate. The committee acted upon your request and upon the statement that you were wo sick vo attend aud requested a postponement, The committee did postpone accordingly, and on last Monday met again at ten o'clock. You again were not present One , iy other day than oideu by the commit. | NEW YORK HERALD, THURSDAY, JUNE 8, 1876.—TRIPLE SHEET. your frienda, 1 think Mr. Hale, appeared in the com- mittee room and requested that there be no exum- ination that day, because you had been informed by Mr. Frye that there would be ne meeting on that day. ‘he commattee were here pursuant to our regular adjournment oo Sa-urday atten o'clock. It bas been my earnest desire and | feel assured it has been the de- sire of both my colleagues to basten this examination as lust as practicable, and, as far as Mr. Biaine was con- under either the Tarbox or concingion at the the Luttreli reso! earliest moment practicable Mr. Blame—Yes, but you mixed the you never can get to a conclusion. Mr. Hunton—I cannot belp it, Mr. Blaine—I could help it if 1 were chairman of the sub-committee. Mr, Hunwn—Yes, I understand that you probably could; bat in the course of the examination that the committee bave thought it their duty to make-—— Mr. Blaine (interposing)—Has this apy connection with the $64,000 matter ? Mr. Hunton—! did not say that it had. Mr. Blaine~ I say, therefore, that you keep al) these things mixed up together, snd is 16 umposnibie to give me a report on that m: Mr. Hunton—This parate matter from that, Mr. Biaine—Then why do you not finish it up? Hunton—Because the witnesses are not here. 1 bave tried to get the witnesses here, but they ure not fo up so that here. Mr, Knott—1 want to say one thing before Mr. Blaine goes turther, Having appointed this committee under the sweeping resolution of Mr. Luttrell, when the Tar- box resolution was introduced, it being in the same line ‘aud relating to the same subject, 1, ‘or tnat reason, referred it to the committee already appointed without any reference to Mr. Blaine, At ihe time when | ap- pointed the committee on the Luttrell resolution 1 had never beard the remotest ingiauation that Mr. Blaine would be involved in any shape or jorm nor that apy- body else would. : ‘MR. BLAINS'S STATEMEST, Mr. Blaine—I now desire to make a statement. The fact ngs been stated by the chairman of the committee (Mr, Huot) aud py the various gentlemen who are members of the committee that he went around to see if people were wilting to serve on that Lutireli com- mittee. Mr. Knott—I told them that they were appointed. Mr. Biaine—I did not interrupt you, sir, 1 do not know avything about what you told, but what I do know 1s this, that the Luttrell resolution passed the House of Representatives on tbe 31st of January last, ‘That resolution Mr. Hunton represents as a very im- portant resolution, a resolutiou so important that he could not possibly neglect any part of it. And yet this important resolution lay ninety- two days dead and dormant, and never bad the breath of life breathed 'intww it by the chairman or by Mr. Hunton until the 4th day of May. Mark that, This very important resolution was never taken up by any one of you. There is not the Oe ea evidence anywhere that you ever gave that resolution the feast attention until the 4th day of May, and that was the day after the Tarbox resolution was adopted, When the Tarbox resolution was adopted I said to Mr. Brye, but he did not bear the message, “I wish you would see Knoit and tell him that 1 want Northerh democrats put on that sub-commitwe,” I wert go far as to specify Mr Lyn nd Mr. Hurd, although Thad no acquaintance whatever, hardly, with those gentlemen. dia not want that resolution to go to the gentlemen to whom it has gone. Mr. Frye, however, did not think it a prudent message to bear, and so did not deliver it. In- stantaneously on the passage of the Tarbox resolution— the ink was hardly dry on that resolution be- fore I beard that Messrs. Asho aud Lawrence were appointed; and on tho same day, as if designed, I do not say that It was designed to give a larger jurisdic- tion to the gentiemen acting under the Tarbox resolu- tion, and who found them very much restricted by its terms—on that very same day, a8 your record shows— and [appeal to that record—the Luttrell resolution was also given to you, and there is no record anywhere that it was ever given to you before that day. 1 it was in your hands ninety-two days betore it is certain that you never did anything under it until the 4th day of May, ana you then examined Mr. Ham in regard to the last bonds. Now, 1 do not pretend to raise any question of veracity any further than the record itself, Questiens of veracity gre the last and the most disagreeable to raise; but on that record | here state that that Luttreli resoiution was never touched for ninoty-two days, and that then it was referred to the same committde to which the Tarbox resolution went, My attention was not called to it until a certain question was asked one of the wit- nesses, and I think thero were myriads of questions asked that were wholly irrelevant. So much was this so that a committees of his own (Mr, Hunton’s) party had to reia him in, the wuolo committee, I believe, by a large vote, restricting the investigation. When I beard the question asked to which I refer I was amazed at it, a8 having uothing whatover to do with the investigation, apd when I in- quired upon the subjest Mr. Hunton pulled out the Lut- treil resolution. 1 said:—‘*Why, what has that to uo with iY” 16 Jooked as if the Luttrell resulution was a postscript to the Tarbox resolution, giving the com- mittee an enlarged jurisdiction, and giving them powers that under the Taroox reeolution they did not have, 1 state bere that the record shows that to be the fact, If that resolution was au importaat revolution, as in its scope it is, why was nothing done with it between the Slat day of Janaary and the 4th day of May—over three calendar mouths, five days in excess? bat is the question which | wish Mr. Knott to answer, Mr. Knou—tI wil! answer it, sir. Mr, Blaine—Waite one minute. Whilo answering that question | want to know also something to which 1did not geta full answer the other day trom the chairman of the sub-committee.” Wuen fasted lim (Mr, Hunton) on the fluor of the House if he knew of the possession by the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee (Mr. Knott) of a telegram from Josiah Caldwell he told me that he (Mr. Hunton) would answer that question it 1 was not angwered satisfactory by Mr. Knott, aod when f rose to claim the tloor in order to ask Mr, Hunton to fulfil bis promise to give asutisiactory answer L was cutoif by the rules aud could not ask it, 1 now ask the honorable geutieman, the chairman of the sub-com- mittee, if he knows of and uas read a telegram from Josian Caldwell? Mr, Hunton—(o on, sir. Mr. Blaine—I want an answer to that. Mr. Hunton—You shall have it. Mr. Biaine—And I want to know from the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Knott) whether Le intends to pro- duce that telegram. Mr. Knott—I do, sir, This question of veracity has been raised by Mr. Blaine in my absence, alter having been assured by his iriend that it would not be raised, Mr. Frye—TI said tt would not be raised in the Hoase, ‘ Mr. Koott—Did you know that it would be raised er Mr. Frye—No, sir; I did not. Mr. Knott—I did not suppose it would be after your statement, for | kuow you are a gentleman, Mr. Frye—You will find that there bas beon no double-dealing upon my part with you or any gentle. man. Mr, Knott—Not in the least, sir. 1 never have found, it so, I stated in the House, and I state hore, veritied by Mr. Frye, Mr. Lawrence, Mr. Hunton, Mr. Hurd and Mr. Pike, that I appointed the sub-committee on the Luttrell resolution long before ‘he Tarbox resolu- tion was heard of, Mr. Blaine—May 1 ask a question just here ? Mr.’ Knott—Yee, sir, Mr. Biaine—Who subpoenaed Mr Ham? ‘ Mr. Kuott—I do not know, Mr, Blaine to Mr, Hunton—Did you subpwna Mr. Ham? Mr. Hunton—I think so. sir, Mr. Biaine—I am wiormed and I would like that to be establisned that Mr. Ham was subpoenaed by the chairman of the committee (Mr. Knott), and that, therefore, this Luttrell commitice, as you it, was ‘not 1p organization that trme; but what, atter Mr, Ham came here, this commitiee having been appomted contemporaneously with the Tarbox resolution, he was turned over by them, therefore this commitiee was Dot in existence to subpa'na him, Mr. Hunion—I think you are mistaken about that, ar. Mr. Blamne—I think not 1 think that before that period there was no committee in existence to investi gate that mat Mr. Know ave told the whole trath abont this matter and I have proved that this Luitrell committee was appointed long betore the Tarbox resolution was thought of and before Mr. Frye wentio New Hamp- shire. Mr, Blaine—1 will say that I do not consider nor ad- mit that that has been prov Mr. Kuott—Very well, sir; | do not care whether you do ordo not. You ask Why dia this matter slumber until the 3d or 4th of May ? There were beiore the Ja- diciary Committee several investigations There was an investigation of the Texas and ile Kail road Company, which cousumed gonsideravle time and upon whieh J Hunton was engaged. ‘There was at the same time going on—and it continued some ti afier that aud was dropped—an investigation of Wl safe burglary conspiracy, upon which Mr. Ashe and Mr. Lawrence were engaged, In the meantime the impeachment of Mr. Belknap was referred to.the Judiciary Committee and Mr. Hunton was appointed on the sub-comtnittee to investigate that, so, at the time, the committee was absorbed. We were as pusy as We could be upon these matters. You have asked some question about chat telegram ? Mr. Blaine—Yes, I have several to ask ii you will do me the honor to answer them. ‘ Mr. Knott—What was your question? Mr. Biatne—I want to know whether you aro Yo reduce that telegram to the House of Representa- uves Mr. Koott—I never had any other intention than to produce that telegram to the Judiciary Committee, Mr. Biaine—You bad it in your pocket five days at the time | brought it into the House, Mr, Knou—| am aware that I bad it five « Mr. Blaine—Did you during Thursday, Friday, Sat- urday or Sunday deny to newspaper correspondents vhat you had beard from Josiah Caldwell? Mr. Koott—{ will make a statement avout that tele- gram in full Mr. Blaino—That is a qu direct answer, Mr. Knott—1 received that telegram on Thursday morning; 1 will siate as particalariy as | can recollect the cir 1 had gone to my breakfast; after Dreakinst 1 took a walk as usual, somewhat proiracted 1 came back to my room, and my wile called my atten- tion Lo the telegram. | took It up and read it and imme- diately started to the Capitol Tha telegram excited my suspicion for this reason: a proposition had been made sometime before by some member of the Judiciary Committee (I don’t know by whom, for i was not present), one @ telegrapiic despatch should be sent to Josiah Cala to know if be would return to t country and testify. That proposition as iam informed by Mr. Biaiwe and by friends. Mr. Blaine—On the ground that it was utterly and preposterouly absurd, because vou couid not get him to come. Mr. Knott-On the ground that he could pot be got. Mr. Biaine—Yes, and i he would pot it would then be said that ne would not come because his testi: mony Woiald be unfavorabie to me. It would be said “Ohyes, he caunot coine, he is conveniently absent in ERarope.” ion susceptible of a very res) ir. Biaine’ ; if be bad found out where Mr. Caidwall was I will Mr, Knott—I do not desire to be interrupted any more in my statement, Some Saga afterward the question was again raised in the Judiciary Committee as to whether @ telegraphic despatch should be sent asking Mr. Caldwell if he would come and testity. In that instance, also, Mr. Biaine's triends resisted the motion. Mr. Blaine—On the same grounds. Mr. Knott—It nevertheless prevailed, The Commit- tee on the Judiciary instructed me to send such & lewgraphic des] to Mr. Caldwell, I did not know whero Mr. Caldwell was to found, I went to the Representative from Boston, Mr, Warren, thinking that he would know, and asked him where Mr. Caldweil might be found. He told me be did not know, | asked him todnquire, telling him that I had been instructed the commit- tee to send a despatch to Mr. Caldweil. He said he would write toa gentieman in Boston and ascertain. In the meanume | went to Judge Hunton and told him 1 bad @ great variety of things on band, and asked him to take hold of that matter and find out where Mr, Caldwel was and to telegraph to him im my name Mr. Warren some days aiterward came to me and told me that he had received a letter from his (riend in. Boston in- jorming him that Mr. Calawell was somewhere, I think in Italy, When, therefore, I received a despateh from Mr. Caldwell, without having despatched to bim, it oc- curred to me thas it was suspicious, Mr NAT lobe mot the publication of it have ex; it? itr, Knott—I beg the gentieman not to interrupt me. Furthermore there was simply at the top of the despatch the word “Loudon; no month, no day, no place, no street, no house 1 knew nothing about these cable despatches; had Bever sens one in my life and never even saw one beiore that 1 have since been informed that it is customary in London to keep the uddreases of persons sending despatches and not to put the ad- dress in the despatch itself. 1 did not know it at that time, and | do not know it now, except from informa- tion, As soon as | could alter reading that despatch 1 came to the Capitol and read st to Judge Lynde, and, 1 ige Lord, Mr. venks and Mr. McMahon. | to these four gentlemen thatLreadit. 1 there tour gentlem @ present at the meeting, and my impression is tbat they were there when | read th) despatch. 1am confident that Jadge Lynde was. {hat was on Thursday, On Friday there was a meeting of the committee. A varicty of sub- Jects were under goeencereten, and this matter, so far as I know, was not meutione Mr. Biuine—You dia not think of mentioning the telegram to the commitice? Mr. Knott—I did not think of it, Thetruth is, Mr. Blaine, | had a great many things to think of veside your Presidential aspirations 1 free to say I do hot recollect that it occurred to me at all. Mr. Blune—I am not alldding to myself bat to the despatch, That punt have occurred to you. Mr. Knott—I say 1 do not recoliect that occurred to me at all. Mr, Blaine—Did you read it to any other person of your committee besides Mesers. Lynde and Hunton? Mr. Knott—Chose were the only persons. Mr. Blainc—Are those the only persons to whom you mentioned it? ‘THE MULLIGAN SCRNB. Mr. Knott—Let me get through. I have told you I did not want to be mterrupted. On inat same occasion, while we were in the committee room, Mr. McMahon came over and described a scene which was taking place in this room, and in which he said Mr. Muiligun bad stated that Mr. Blaine had come before bim and got letters from fim under promise to return them, almost getting on his knees, &o, rs ata the scene as it had been described by the witness, Whether it was on the next day or on that same day I do not pow remember, I mentioned the factto Mr. Hunton thatI had received a tele- graphic despatch from Mr. Caldwell, and repeated to nim the contents of the despatch, 1 did not read it to him. I taid him of it, however. Mr. Hunton—And you stated your suspicions in re- gard to 1? Mr, Knott—I stated my suspicions in regard to it, saying I thought it was atrick. Idid not regard the telegraphic despatch as a matter of evidence in any sense of the word; ‘Had a despatch come from Mr. Caldwell saying Mr. Blaine was gutity, that he had got the bonds from him, 1 would have been injustice to Mr. Blaine to have given it to the public. Mr. Blaine—You permit me, however, to believe that it would have got out pretty soon. Mr. Kuott—What do you say, sir? Mr. Blaine—I do not think you would have kept back testimony that would have hurt me—that is what | have satd, sir, Mr. Knott—Do you mean to say that I would have done you such injustice as that ? Mr. Hunton—Let it be uyderstood, gentlemen, that there must no; be any interruptions. Mr. Blaine—I 5! not interrupt the gentleman further. I know that the Cheesborough despatch—iet tne make that remark, Mr. Hunton—No, sir, The floor has not been con- ceded. Mr. Knott—So far as the Cheesborough despatch 18 concerned I know nothing about it, I have not read itail 1 bave to say this, that I have hada variety of other things to think about and attend to andI kuow nothing about it, So far as this despatch 18 concerned? however, it was my object to verify 18 if possible, but 1m any event 10 present it to the committee to do with it as they saw proper and to take any action that they saw fit, That was my intection, Even had not the scene taken place on Monday, that despatch would have been presented to this committee, perhaps on the next day. Mr. Blatne—Or somo timo along— Mr. Knott-—Belore the report wonld come in, and in time to subserve your purpose. I want to add here (Judge Hunton will bear me outin it) that when the ‘arbox resolution waa introduced be aud I agreed that, in justice to Mr. Blaine, that thing ought to be invest gated as soon as possible, and that he should be exon- rated it he were innocent, I understand it to be bis des're and the desire oi his friends, MM Biaine (interposing)—Yes, but in case this despatch were genuine. Mr. Hunton—The rule must be observed that inter- Tuptions must not take place. r. Knott—After the ordor of the committee had been made that 1 should telegraph to Mr. Caldwell, | several tines talked with Mr. Hunton and asked him say farther that I considered 1t duc to Mr, Blaine that Mr. Caidweli’s testimony should be taken, if possible, aud that if be refused to come at the request of the comimitiee Mr, Blaine could not be blamed for it As to the statement that ] was suppressing that tele graphic despatch, or that I had any mteution of keep. ing it from the committee, I denounce here, as I have depoun Sy any all insinuations to that eflect as false. Mr. Biaine—But I did not understand you holding it. You kept it in your pocket tive days, Mr. Knoit—I say I kept the despatch from the time I received tt. Mr. Biaine—Now, if you are through, I will ask you a simple question or two, Mr. Knott—I did aot myself receive that despatch or receipt for it. Ido not know who exceuted the re- ceipt for It, but one night a boy wearing the uniform of the telegraph company came to my room and asked n to give him my ivitiais, saying there a \ despatch at the office which had lying there for several days for Mr. and he wanted my initials to seo Iwas the person to wnom it ought to be brought. I picked up a piece of paper, wroie my full name upon it and handed it to the boy. Idid not anticipate that a report would be made tn this case before this tim but | did imtend that the telegraphic despateh sbould be laid before the committee and let the commutee do what 11 pleased in the matter, Mr. Blaine—When were you intending to do that? Mr. Kuott—I had not fixed any particular tim doing it. Mr. Biaine—Then I sooo 8 pa that you do not call patch Y Mr, Biaine—Was it not sappressing 11 from the public for the Lime being? Mr. Knott- What rizht bad the public to it? t Mr. Blaime—The same right the pubic haa to all of the inculpating testimony against me that went out, Mr. Knott—It was uot my fauit it went out Mr. Blawe—But st was your fault that despatch did not go out. Mr. Knott—My. will all bear me witness that in every mvestigation be- fore @ committee in which Ihave been particularly careiul to prevent anything from getting oat that would imculpate anybody before a re- | port was made, I have been blamed by newspaper re- rters lor being So reticent for simple reason that did not want any man to be blamed through ez parte statements made in a committe room. Mr. Blaine—You stated that you wanted to hold that despatch for the purpose of zerifying its authenticity. You thought that there might be something indircet, or bogus, or ‘put up’ abont it What steps did you take to verily its authenticity? Mr. Knott—I wanted t find out Mr Caldwell’s ad- dress. Mr. Blaine—You had this despatch in your hands from Thursday morning, the Ist of Juno, and never brought it to the notice of the pubii atl F nvert gated you on the floor of the House on Monday, June ® In those intervening five days what steps did you take to acquire iniormation as to whether that was an authentic despatch ¥” , Mr. Knott—I took the only steps that I thought I ought to take to find out where Caldwell was, and to telegraph to him, Mr. Biaiwe—Did it. never occur to you to telegraph to the London oitice? Mr. Knoti—Nog, sir, Mr. Blaine—You urea lawyer of prominence, else you Would uot be chief of the Judiciary Committee. It ‘a despatch comes to you from Josiab Caldwell what the presumption as to its autaenticity, shat itis from Josiah Calawell or not? Mr. Knowt—That is owing to circumstances, Mr. Blaine—What is the presumption? Mr. Knott—If 1 knew (hat Josiah Caldwell was in London and if T had po other information to give me ground (Or suspicion | would presume that the despatch came from Josiah Caldwell Mr. Blaine You had tntormation that he was build- ing a railroad in ltaiy near Turin, and Turin is only forty-eight hours trom London. Durmg the cdurse of ‘Thursday, Friday avd Saturday, while you had this despated, did you not state (0 ove or more newspaper esr gg that you had not heard from Josiah Cald- well? Mr, Knott—t will state about that. I was met in the rotunda by some gentleman whom | do not know, aad who asked me if Tl bad heard from Caldwell Probabiy you (Nr, Giaine) know who that gentlemap i 140 | hot, and would not ‘know him now tf Laaw bim. My reply to him was, “I have not yet found out where Caldwell ts.” Mr. Blaine—You got that despatch on Tharsday morning. avd on that day thore was a regular meeting of the Judieiary Committee? Mr. Knott—No, sir; that was the day that Mulligan was examined bere. Mr, Biaine—You wore here on Friday morning, twenty-four hours after you got that despatch ? Mr. Knou—Yes, sir, Mr. Bluiue— And you had a called meeting of the Ju. diciary Committee on Saturday 4 Mr, Knott—Yes, sit. Mr. Blaioe—s; ily on my case? Mr. Knott—Yes, str. 7 Mr. Blane—aAud it does not seem to have occarred to you at either of those meetings to say anything about that bes ped ? Mr. Knott—I will explain that. In the first webting we were engaged in general business. In the secon: meeting we were e1 from the time the commit convened uutil it broke up in discussing the proposi- tion presented to us in reference to the letters that you had obtained from Mulligan. ine Lr gates you recolivct then that you had this jegram Mr. Knott—I do not know whetber it occurred to moe or not, and I do not know that I should have brought up the question at that timo if it had ocourred to mo. Mr, Blaine—Is it not probable that if you did not recollect it when it was quite fresh you would probabiy have forgotten it afterward? r. Knott—No. sir; I think not. Mr. Blaine—When it was tresh you forgot it, bat ou think that after it got old you would nave recul- lected it. Do! understand you correct iv that? I ly want to wind up by having the world know that e day that this despaten came to Mr, Kuott, Mr. Lord, Mr, Jenks, Mr. McMahon and Mr, Hunton, of the House of Representatives, all knew of it. Mr. Law- bei of this sub.cominittes, I believe, knew nothing of it, Mr. Lawrence—I heard nothing of it. Mr, Ashe (to Mr. B’aine)—I informed you this morn- ing that I had heard nothing of it betore | heard it in the House. a Mr, Blaine—I have not mentioned your name as one who had heard 1t, Mr. Koott—I gave itas my impression that those four gentlemen whom I first named, were present when | read the despatch. I am contident that Mr. Lynde was present, and my impression {@ that the others were ail present, too, when [read it out without any reservation whatever in the room of the managers at the Senate end of the building, Mr. Blaine—Can you te!] me what processes or steps you are waiting on to publish the despatch or give it to the House? Mr. Knott—l am going to give the despatch to the House through the regular channel—that is, through the Judiciary Commitwee. Mr, Blaine—You had a meoting of this committte, I tink, yester: Mr. Knott—Yes, -sir, e Mr. Bluine—Did you bring that su¥ject up? Mr. Knott—I referred the matter of your resolation to the sub-commitice, 1 suppose wo shall take our own way of transacting our own business. Mr. Blaine—Can you give any information to the public as to when you expect to produce that des- patch ? Mr, Knott—I do not choose todo so. I choose to transact business in my own way. So far as I am con- cerned, the public has had the substance of that des- patch from my own lips; 1 stated it ou Monday. Mr, Blaine—You said then that Mr. Caldwell im that despatch, stated that he would send an affidavit if necessary. Mr. Knott—Yee sir, Mr. Blaine—ihat approaches to something like testi- mony. You said that that despatch was no testimony. 1 understand you now to gay that Mr, Caldwell offered to send an uffidavit, Mr. Knott—To send an affidavit if it were requirea, or if it were necessary. mako that very suggestion, und if he were an intelli- gent man he inust bave known that ane parte aff- ae made in London could not be received as evidence aba Mr. Blaine—Do you mean to imply ‘by that that you have any evidence of the slightest character that 1 have had, directly or indirectly, any communication with Josiah Caldwell? Mr. Knott—I have never said that you had. Mr. Blaine—Your intimation just now meant that or it meant nowbing. Mr. Knott—Well, suppose it did. Mr. Blaine—I want you to state whether you have the slightest evidence of it, although I have heard you have been rummaging tho’ telegraph offices through the country for such evidence, Mr, Knott—Then you have heard a lie—that is what you have heard. Mr, Blaine—[ am very glad to hear that tt is a lie; but I want this to be understood, whether you ‘have the slightest evidence that 1 have bad !n any manner whatever any communication with Josiah Caldwell? Mr, Knott—l have no evidenee of it and I never have pretended that I had any. NK, HUNTON’S BRIRF STATEMRNT. Mr, Hunton—I desire to make a brief statement 4n regard to the efforts to flud Jusiah Caldwell. I went to Mr. Knott a day or two alter that order of the Judisiary Committee to telegraph to Caldwell was made and asked him if he had sent the telegram. He said no, that ho had not been able to find Cald- well’g _ address. Ho asked me to assist bun and’ he authorized mo if I found valdwell’s address to telegraph to him im his name. My first step I believe was (I am not cer- tain that it was the first) to go to the Sergeant-at-Arms and give him a written memorandum directing him to find out from Arkansas pie or from any other source the address of Caldwel asked several other gen- tiemen to assist im that work, and I myself wentaround to several persons and asked if they could inform me of Caldwell’s address, From the moment that 1 weut to Mr, Knott to know whether the telegram had been sent I have bech diligently, and 1 have reason to be- lieve that several uther gentlemen, at my instance, have been diligently employed in’secking to get this intormation, Now, im regard to the delay Mr. Knott has stated correctly that after the refer- the Lutirell .resolutwn 10 the Judi- ciary Committee, and atter 1 was notified What I was to be chairm of that sub-committee, the labors of the Judiciary Committee have been of such a character Chat it was impossibie for us to address our- to the Luttroli resolution. I was frst engaged ‘nVestigation of tue Texas Pacific Railroad Com- Mr, Lawrence was on that sub-committee, This kept us many weeks. Not long atter and betore that tuvestigation was closed becau-e it never has been forinally closed, this Belknap matter came up, aud I was made chairman of the sub-committee to invests gate that aad to prepare the articles of impeachment, and to ascertain whether on the evidence the articles could be sustammed. It was not long after that commit- tee was discharged when work was8 attempted under this resolution. On thy certainly before the Tarbox resolution introduced and before thing had been said about wr. Biuine, a Witness was summoned to the city of Washington to be examined under the Lutirell resolution. By Mr. Biatne—By whom was the witness sum- moued ? : Mr. Hunton—He wa: opinion, Mr. Blaine—That is a point on which, 1 think, you are in error, Mr. Hunton—It is possible; but I think I am not. My. Blasne—1 think that that wi(ness was summoned by Mr. Knott. A Mr. Hunton—To what witness do you refer? Mr. Biaine—To Sir. Ham, Mr. Hanton—I refer to mdifferent witness, Mr, Blaine—Whows her Mr. Hunton—Mr, Spencer, According to the stub of tis book, from the room of the Sergeant-at Arms, he was here on the 24th of April. Mr, Biaine—Before whom did he appear? Mr. Hunton—Bctore ine, Mr. Biaine—Did Mr. Lawrence have anything to do with it on the 24h of April? Mr. Huoton— ji Mr. Biaine—Then you fail to connect that committee atai! with i. That commiitee was not appointed until the 3d of May. Mr. Hunton—i think if you will wait awhile you will see the connection. 1 was taformed by # gentleman who had made an investigation in the cave of lost bonds of the Union Pacific Katiroad Company that Mr. Spence knew more than anybody else abuut these lost bonds, avd that he bad i his posgession memoranda, &c., which would guide the committee tn its search for the lost bonds, Hence it was that Mr. Spence was summoned here first, go that I might see the memoranda and prepare for the examatio: summoned by myself, in my Tu the meat I was reading—as well as I could in the muluplicity of my engagements—the proceedings ‘of the Credit Lier wavestigation to vee how far that committee He Into this question of lost bonds of the Uniou Pacitte Railroad Company. Mr, Blaine (to Mr. Ashe)—Were you present whon Mr. Spence was examined? | Mr aes wus never examined. Mr. Biaine—There is no mistake about Ham. He was examined on the 4th oi May. Mr. Ashe--He was examined before that, Mr. Huptop—On the 24th of April according to this stub m the book of the t-at-Arms, which I pre- sume ts correct, Benjamin W. Spence was sammcned. (To Mr. juire, a witbess in the case)—Was it at your instance that [ summoned bim ? Mr uire—Yes, sir. Mr., Huntoo—The summons ran in the usual sigued by the Speaker and. atieswa by the Clerk. Spence was Lere several days, and we were preparing to examine imto this question of Jost bonds. | had several interviews with Mr. Spence and Mr. Meguire for the purpose of tinding out bow I could conduct the examination und what Mr. Spence knew avout it It | was determined that we would uot examino Mr. Spenco at that time. Mr. Ham was summoned 1 fiud by the subpena, which was issued im the regular way, bap pen aggro a — st ihe otlice of the President of ¢ Union Pacific Railroad Com . Nassau street, New York, was ordered to bel the Judiciary Commitice of the House of Kepresentatives forthwith. Tl ubpena (reading irom itand then handing it to | Mr, Biaine) is dated te Oret day of May. 187L \ow tnese two facts show that before ihe Tarbox resolntion was introduced in the House two witnesses Lad been sum- moned by the committee under the irell resolution, MR. LYNDR’S STATEMENT. Mr. Lyndo—I wish t make a statement, as my name bas been brought into this matter. Mr, Diame—Not by ner Mr. Lynde—No, but it bas been brought tn. 1 will State that the tay when the telegram was received by Mr. Knott (1 presume ona Thursday, as stated), Mr. came to tho House, sat mer—*l way, Mr. egram this morni which I want to show vou,” He took the telegram out of his pocket and showed it to me and I read it Whether it was in this room or in the room of the managers I don’t recollect, nor dv I recollect who was present ai the time, There were others present. 1 re- marked to him when I read the telegram, ‘This is not evidence, either beiore a committee or a court or any- where, in the shape that it now comes.”* rye—You sme know what kind of evidence f. Lyade—I said to Mr. Knott, “It is fouls mca ogee A] this despat ie, nnd you ought iMmediately to asceriain Mr, Caldwell ts in London or where he is, and a we telegram.’ That, | think, was reation that passed between me aud the time. My attention was called off to something else, If the ‘am had been in to one sent by Mr. Knott alter the committee in- structed Mr. Knott to telegraph: it was in ly to @ telegram would have sufficient to my opinion to have it in- troduced before the committee as 10 the shape ja which it was Mr, u necessary Knott AD Hg it be forthe commie sO we vaktias bel anywhere here ge its authen' a oe. waa ression at time. EE impression ae it is m uccordance with the principles of the very ding to Mr. Knot’s statement five days elapsed now two days more have elapsed in which taken the slightest steps to ascertain the of that despatch, Mr. Knoit—l oever said so; on the find out where Mt ne Lynde stated that a you that the despate! ould mot be laid committee until process was taken to authenticate it, and to show thatat actually came irom Londow, ‘The way to do that was just as ‘aa it was to walk down stairs, aud yet up to this Mr. Knots has taken no steps looking to it Mr. Koovt—I say again that that ts not true. I have “it Bl een Sfoa nave vot telegraphed tothe London ir, Blaine—You have p office to-tind out whether Josiah Caldwell gave that despatch to be sent. ir. Lynde—In ig otgdaticg tic to the London office, a would very faint ovid for if this a) spurious paras agi Po ) bs it even came trom party wi delivered’ that ‘at the London must have claimed to be Josiah and given his name and address, and anv telegram ad. drossed to Josiah Caldwell in London wou! by that man, Therefore it is vory different telegram sent to a man at his residence and delivered to bim, in the first instance, betore his name had been by -sgante in the telegraph office and a ly from r im. Mr. Blaine—There is not an American of the slight est note or promivence living in London who does not register his name and address at the telegraph office, and it is the simplest thing in the tae rt ty person. Your proposition goes on the assumption that the whole line of telegraph offices from Kaphinetos to London were in cdllusion to deceive this committes. Mr. Lynde—Not at all. Mr. Biaine—This des; must necessarily be a true and valid despatch, telegraph office here gknows whether or not it came through the cable, and you could bave telegraphed to the London office to know who delivered it there, Mr, Lynde—Could not I, if1 were in London, have gone into the London office, presented this telegram and signed my name to it as Josiah Caldwell, and would it not have come here just as it came? " Mr. Blasne—But the slightest inquiry indicating a doubt as to whether the person was Josiah Caldwell or not would have led to an investigation as th ad the law can make it, and you could have the thing certified in twenty-four hours, If you had intimated a doubts from here that this was a genuine despatch you could have had all the en- ginery of.the police at London to detect whether a trick had been played upon the telegraph office. I can- not imagine (to Mr. Lynde) that a man of your breadth of Information does not know thac Mr. Frye—Is not the telegrapn In England under the government? Mr. Pine -cutioly, and an attempt to do that would be imprisonment in Newgate for twenty years, No one woukt attempt to ao that. Mr. RRB Iaa DORR: any one else desire to make an bi gs jon r. Blainé—I should think it would be in order Mr. Jeuks and Mr. Lord and’Mr. McMahon to make explanation. lam to see that Mr. Ashe was anx- ous to have it noted that he aid not know anything about that despatch, Mr. Ashe—1 did not know anything aboat it Mr, Blaine—I appreciate the fact that you wanted it to be known that you did not kuow anything about it. Mr. Ashe—I want to state the reason hi I wished itto be known. itis because when you introduced your resolution in the House the other ay i said Uhat it involved the honor of the Judiciary tee, Mr. Blaine—t said so, sir, Me Mr. Frye—I want to ask Mr. Hunton a question. Se Basal what ground ao you want toaska question i Mr. Frye—Because the Judiciary Committee is all here and we aro all asking questions, I simply want to ask whether information was conveyed to you a fortnight ago (immediately after the despatch to Cald- well was ordored, giving the address of Caldwell and the address of his correspondent in whose care your despatch could be sent? r. Hunton—That is certainly not so. Mr. Frye—I am glad to hear it, because I understood that it was so M, Hunton—The nearest that I ever got to Mr. Caldweill’s address was this:—I went over to the Senate Chamber and sent in (so anxious was! to find Mr. Cald- well’s address) tor one of the Senators from Ar! andlasked if he knew Mr, well’s address, He eaid he did not; that he heard he was making a railroad iu Italy, one of the points of which was Milan; but he could not tell whether he was there or in London or ‘where else, r. Blaine—You probubly hi seen a despatch im the morning papers, dated Boston, June 6Y Mr, Hunton—You do not pro; to put a newspaper article ito the proceedings of this committee? Mr. Blaine—You have examined lots of witnesses om mere newspaper reports. Mr. Hunton—I have asked them whether the ree ports were true or not. Mr. Ashe—Thig resolutions of Mr. Biaine’s in regard to the telegram was referrei,I understand, tw the Judiciary Committee, and we are Ling du examining directed it about ithere before the committee an — up. i r. Blauine—The committee has had forty-oight hours to consider 1t. Mr. Ashe—Aud ft has -eight hours more, Mr. Blame—I am perfectly walling that it should take six months, ‘The committee adjourned until ten o'clock to- morrow. THE CALDWRLL TELEGRAM, The following is a copy of the telegram received by Representative Knott on Thursday which he fur. nishes for publication :— To Cuamuax House Jupicuusy Commrme, Wasinatox, u Just read in New York papers Scott’ evidence ‘about our bend ‘eransactions cod ee corroborate — it, Fort Smith Railwi bon ovat Brier te T have three foreign railway contracts. on my hai make It Iuupossibie lor me to leave without great pecuuinry 088, OF wou y voluntarily come nome and so teatily. ‘Can make affidavit to thi offeet aad mail it if desired. “ JOSIAH CALDWELL, MORE PERSONAL RXPLANATIONS, In tho Rouse to-day. as Mr. Knott, of arose to speak on the Geneva A’ I, Tupted by Mr. Blaine, of Maine, who remarked 1) had been informed that the gentleman from Mussachu- setts (Mr. farvox) had risen some time ago to a per- sons! explanation affecting in some way bimeelt, but had withuetd his remarks then om the suggestion that he (Mr, Blaine) was not present, He also w that the gentleman had agreed to make his statement at the conclusion of Mr. Lords speech. He desired to know what the gentieman’s (Mr, Tarbox) views aud demres were. Mr. wt remarked that the gentlemen (Blaine and Tarbox) could settle that re Mr. Blaine—That was. © publicly. lai Mr. Tarbox—Tho gentleman from Maine is in error as to any notice that I gave when it would suit my pleasure to rise again toa privileged question, 1 choose to select my own occasion for that purpose and that is pot at this moment. Mr. Biaine—1 want to know whether the gentleman Massachusetts proposes Mr. Tarbox—I certainly do not. I wishto speak when the gentleman is present, and shall do so, THE SEA WALL. The committee of conference appointed by the vati- ous commercial bodies of the city to inquire into the manner in which the Dock Commissionors were carry. in their work of buliding a sea wall, met in the Chamber ot Commerce yesterday, Mr. D. M. Turnure of the Importers and Grocers’ Board of trade, in the chair, Mr. Turnure, the chairman of the sup-committee, waited on the Dock Commissioners, said that their President, Mr. Wales, had sent bim a letter approv. any indirectly. ds, which ing of the recommendations of the com mittee and inviting a conference of all the commerciat bowes that Dock Depart. the meut might co-operate with them for the better iin- Provement of the barbor, but tirmty declining to invite ‘the Council of Politica: Retorm to this conterence. When this letter was read Mr. Booth moved that the committee as ut present orgauized adjourn sine die, us they could not accept the invitation of Mr. Wales out of conriesy to the Council of Political Reform. When the present cofnmittee disbanded the Dock Department Would likely cali another conference and the diferew commercial organizations could accept or reject the in Vitation as they pleased, The motion to adjourn sin die was, Vigorously, by the delegates from thy ouncil of Polity worm, Messrs. W. H. tf Sapapalhatageee ir. Miller that he an intimation that tl Dock Commissioners would confer with the Council r’ Political Reform, and he moved that a committee a three be appointed to wait on them. Me, Tarnure said he thought thts would be wi as be had several inierviewa with Mr. Wales and be knew that the opposition to the Council of Political Re form a$ an orgauization, not as individuala, was 96 strong that the Dock Department woul Tescit first resolution, bee reat seconded. The motion to appoint iH to again wait on the Dock Commisntys was Supeniees Messrs. Webb, Gurion and Miller were ited on appoia' ‘hut committee, to repor: ednesdas M. The meeting ten adjourned Ligh et A NEW ABATTOIR. Ata special meoting of the Board of Health Gay, at which Mayor Wickham and General were present, plans and specifications for = wor on the West side were considered. aoe bbdcyomonnnig was ye ion of Cae on the south ned heer avenue, to be ait in sccordance wit ‘ions of the San abattoir Will cost about $300,000 poee my bard of bait the asimals iiaavutarea to eo Tie Vj