The New York Herald Newspaper, October 31, 1875, Page 7

“MOODY AND. SANKET, Ministerial Opinions of Pastors in Brook- lyn and New York. Talmage, Beecher, Lyman, Schuyler and Others, SIMPLE MEANS---GREAT RESULTS. Sankey Melts the Wax~—Moody Affixes the Seal. Christ’s Army Announced with Songs of Praise, The work begun by Messrs. Moody and Sankey on Sun- day last has created great interest throughout the coun- try. Many persons have expressed a desire, however, to know if the Protestant ministers of this city and else- where will aid in the work. With a view of settling this anxiety we have gathered the opinions of the lead- ing pastors of different denominations, which are duly, set forth below. OPINIONS OF BROOKLYN CLERGYMEN. With the exception of a few pastors of Protestant Episcopal, Unitarian and Universalist churches, all the Brovklyn clergymen seen by the reporters of the Hunavp express their approbation. Several Protest- ant Episcopal clergymen, while declining to be put on Tecord, as their congregations were divided as to the propriety of such revivals, expressed their hope that the good seeds being planted by Moody and Sankey might take deep root and bring forth fruit a hundred fold. The opinions of several ministers were stated ag fol- lows:— REV. T. DE WITT TALMAGR, of the Brooklyn Tabernacle, said:— “am in full sym- pathy with their work in every respect, There isa large population in our cities not reached by the ordained ministers of the Gospel. They can be reached ina place like the Rink rather than in achureh, I think a great awakening will do more to bait the dishonesty and crime of our great cities than all other means taken advantage of to reach the people. They are men who, coming right up from the masses, know how to touch the sympathies of the people, 1 think that too often the minister is educated way from the people, rather than tothem. A man educated in a college usually gets his knowledge of the world from his study windows, and cannot know how to touch the chords that vibrate all along the line of earnest Christian labor. My own observation is that people who come into the Church under the influences of revivals are more steadfast and useful than those Drought in under acold state of religion, Indeed, 1 would rather for practical usefulness have ten brought in under such circumstances than a hundred who come $n the usual manner. REY. Hl. W. BEECHER, of Plymouth church, expressed his deep interest in the work of the evangelists, A wise man should feel it most important to bring’ persons toa knowledge of the truth. The labors of Moody and Sankey had bean a great success in Europo. He had known Mr. Moody many years, and he thought he had been a prudent worker. “Their labor here,” said Mr Beecher, “has already been of great advantage, and I propose to give time and influence in | support of it, I think it will be indirectly and directly abenefit to the churches, In all such great public movements there will be a great deal of shrinkage by the falling away of converts, but I don’t think tnero | will be one-half that will under such influences drop Away into the state they were before they were im- pressed by thé carnest work of these teachers of the Gospel.” REV. DR. LYMAN, of the Heights Reformed ’charch, said that he had known Mr. Moody these fifteen years, and he is an earnest worker. God had blessed his labor in the past and He is doing it now. He recognized in Mr. Moody a high spiritual power at work; as far as his personal power is concerned, he believed it lay in the directness with which he presents the truths of the Gospel. As to the results, they wili depend upen the way in which pastors utilize the impressions now being made upon those who for the firsttime, perhaps, have been brought under the influences of divine truths. For these reasons the churches should give it all the aid and assistance they | can, REV. DR, W. R. DAVIS, @of the Simpson Methodist church, in Clermont ave- nue, said:—“‘ I think the labors of Messrs, Moody and Sankey full of promise fora great revival movement. They have entered our country at the right time. The peculiar depression which exists in business and on our broad, commercial exchanges, the general distrust that has crept into the nation concerning its own record of late, the universal desire for more substan- tial forms of practical Christian life and the deep, vague unrest which seems to be stirring everywhere— all these act as preparatory causes for effects which through these men of God ought to flow over the continent. Mr, Moody bas all ‘the elements of a great evangelist. To me his beautiful self-forgetfulness in his work is a chief charm, He is terribly honest and intensely earnest. There are no negative points tothe man, His grasp of truth is wide. He seems to carry Sina in one hhand and Calvary in the other; but he generally opens out of the Jaw first, I hope he will have welcome and co-operation. Of course his work must be sup- plemented very diligently by tho regular settled ministry, to gather, hold and develop into steadfast, Christian characters those whom he may win to Christ. That multitudes will be won I believe, and I see no reason why the range of this evangelism should not compass the whole land.” REY. J. HYATT SMITA, of the Lee avenue Baptist church, said:—‘it seems to me that it is unfortunate for these earnest mon that . their coming was so generally trumpeted on their arri- val from England, Christ says, ‘The Kingdom of heaven cometh not with observation.’ That is, that it does not come with trumpeting. I think they wrought & great work in Europe, and I hope that their work will be equally biest in this country, Moody is evidently a plain, matter-of-tact man—one of those men of whom Dr. Chaimers used to say, ‘He is full of blood earnest- nese,’ I think that Sankey is a splendid colaborer with Moody, and melts the way before him with music, Ithink be has more power than Moody. In singing the ‘Ninety and Nine’ he melts the wax with music, and Moody affixes the seal, A revival of this: kind in- creases the religious activity of the churches, It pro- vokes-to good works, The movement is sympathetic, and the Jook of sympathy that rests upon the faces of those vast audiences is enough to make a corpse spoak. My only fear is that there may be a reaction after such demonstrations, Those revivalists shake the tree, and the pastors of the various churches must gather the fruit.” REY, DR, FULTON, of Hanson place Baptist church, said am heart and soul in sympathy with the movement. I believe that Moody has been led by God to come 10 Brooklyn, and that his preaching thus far has been eminently adapted to the wants of the people. My feeling is that the Lord jays in Zion @ foundation of stone, that Moody depends for his success upon what Jesus Christ shall do in Christians. That is just the need of the Christian Church to-day, It wants a Christianity that binds men back to God and holds them, I have known Movay for twenty years, and he has been an earnest and {uithful preacher of Jesus Christ and doing his best Yo advance the cause of religion, All the froth and ex- citement of this movement will not last, bat all that God does under the instrumentality of these revivalists will be lasting, As to its influence upon the churches, my opinion is that the movement is going to bring the salt into our churches that will save them, and that will develop a higher typo of Christianity than has ever been known ip Brooklyn.’” REY, DR, T. 1. CUYLER, of the Lafayette avenue Presbyterian church, stated that he felt a sensitivness about expressing an opinion, inasmuch as Mr, McWilliams and himself had takon a prominent part in bringing the evangelists to-Brooklyn. ™ 1872 before Mr, Moody went to England, he had a a NEW YORK HERALD, SUNDAY, OCTOBER 31, 1875--QUADRUPLE SHEET. | conaucted services in his (Dr. Cuyler’s) church, and there were over 150 converts as a result of his labors, If Messrs, Moody and Sankey work here as they did there he had no fear teat the cl and laymen who were directing this revival dit as to the mode of controlling it. For himself, Dr. Cuyler stated he ‘was in favor of old church members absenting them- selves from the meetings, to give place to sinners who would be benefited by attendance thereon, The class that the movement was intended to reach, he said, is composed of the ungodly, who need the saving grace of God, such as this great awakening is likely to bring them; hence, in his opinion, those Ctiristians who had already been led to the Saviour should send those who need conversion to the meetings, instead of filling the space themselves. REY. DR. EGGLESTON, of the Church of Christian Endeavor, Eastern District. stated that, without any general or special partiality to movements of this kind on the part of evangelists, he had a profound confidence in Moody’s sincerity, earnest” ness and general usefulness, Growing out of an ex- tensive knowledge of the man, Dr. Eggleston expressed the opinion that great good would ultimately result from his labors and those of his associate, Mr. Sankey, although he did not consider such labor final, Their work should bo properly followed up by other labor on the part of the churches, To express the idea by an illustration, the labor of the evangelist is merely to bring a man into the school of Christ, and when once there it is the duty of the Church to educate him in all | that is Christlike and holy. These gentlemen are the evangelists who gather in, and the pastors of the Chris- tian churches should be the faculty who educate the sinner in a knowledge of the truth. REV, DR, VAN DYKE, of the Remsen street (First Presbyterian) church, said that while he did not approve of an nnordained minis- try, and does not believe that any permanent good will | be wrought in the Church by unauthorized evangelists; while he does not sympathize a great deal with much that had been said about them, yet all he had read of their labors impressed him very profoundly with the belief that they are hovest, earnest men; and, as far a8 | he had observed, Mr. Moody preaches the truth sim- ply and fully. He, asa matter of course, hoped that great good would result from their labors. REY. ©, H. EVEREST, of the Puritan Congrogational church, corner of La- fayette and Marey avenues, stated that he was in very hearty sympathy with the movement and he had no doubt it would accomplish permanent good, not only among the class rarely reached by church effort, but by stirrmg up the churches to actual endeavor. He thought the churches would gain some important points by the work gof these men, for thero is a power being them | which is of God. In his opinion they are doing a work which all Christians ought to indorse and aid, The product, in his opinion, wonld be twofold—to stir up the churches and bring men more directly under the in- fluence of the Gospel who could be reached in no other way, It would do more; their meetings would, in his opinion, develop and emphasize the gospel of song. The angels announced the coming of Christ with song, and these people ought to do the same, “For these reasons,” said he, “{ look for an awakening on tho | part of the masses to their duties toward God and the Church.” REY. R. ©. BOOTH, of the Church of Our Saviour (Protestant Episcopal), said he was in favor of the labors now going on at the Rink, and had watched them with interest. He had spoken to his own people in favor of them, and recom- mended that prejudices should be withheld and judg- ment suspended until they heard for themselves, He believed in all work that carried with it the blessing of God, as the work of Moody and Sankey had in other | places. He looked upon them as earnest, consecrated | men, working with pure motives, and guided by the spirit, and he anticipated good effects in the future. | The different churches will receive the benefits, as the | converts will be gathered into them, Already the in- | fluence of their work is being seen in an increased at- tendance in the churches, and a more earnest interest | being developed among Christian worshippers in the churches, REY. C. RHODES, of the Central Baptist church, in the Eastern District, said:—“I have never been much in favor of the Moody and Sankey movement until now. Their work in Eng- land has been productive of so much good thatI nave gone heartily to their support, I find in history— sacred and secular—that when God has a great work to perform He raises up great men to do it. These men | havea peculiar mode ot work, Moody in preaching truth and Sankey in singing truth cannot fail in doing good, As to the results, they will depend upon the co-operation of the churches. There is a danger | that converts will get scattered, and it will require watchfulness on the part of the pastors to reap the harvest, the seed of which these men are sowing,” H REV. A. GUNNISON, who attend surely some will remain in the fold of Christ, and so the movement could not utterly end in naught. He has had a “city camp meeting” in his own church every day for a week, with the happlest results, REY. DAVID D. JUTTOY, Baptist, was hopetul that good would result from the efforts of Messrs, Moody and Sankey, but expressed some doubts about th® result being any permanent good to the cause of religion, Mr. Moody he regarded as thoroughly in earnest, and he hoped that Mr. Sankey was also, country, and whether the same effect will be produced here as in England remains to be seen. It is undenl- able that the results of Mr. Varley’s visit to this coun- try were insignificant as to the’ results attained; ne never sew a revival fall so flat. This winter’s work at the Hippodrome will furnish data by which we can accurately judge what good will accrue to us from the presence of these men, What Mr. Moody says is not novel and has often been said in more elegant lan- guage, but it is evident that from some cause he has great power over his audiences: REV. J. 8. WILLIS, Methodist Episcopal, thought the occasion was one cal- culated to arouse the serious thoughts of all who were concerned in religious matters, Thero was certain to be a grand outpouring of truth, and he believed that it had the avowed support and countenance of nearly all denominations of Christians. Its tendency must be to benefit the Church, He did not think it would create here #uch an attendance of the lower classes as it did in England and Scotland, where, especially in the latter country, the people had been stirred out of the grooves in which they had travelled so long. The people who attend here are of the “middie classes;”” what might be termea the floating church-going population, Thero was possibility, he thought, that there would be a diminution in the attendance at the meotings, as people became accustomed to them, but much good would doubtiess result from the spreading abroad of the Gos- pel. REY, 8, D, BURCHARD, Presbyterian, expected the happiest results from the coming of Messrs, Moody and Sankey in response to the invitation extended to them by the evangelical clergy. ‘A most glorious awakening is in progress, and the influenco which these men exert will fend to strengthen and accelerate it, There is evident among men to-day a general expectancy, as of old among the Jews, concerning the coming of the Messiah; then there isa visible tendency to seek the churches and listen to the Gospel, not merely from curiosity or imi- tation of others, but from a manifest desire to listen at- tentively to the Gospel; in the third placo, men’s hearta seem more accessible, and they display a willingness to converse on matters of the most lasting import. This expectancy, this seeking after the Gospel, this de- sire to open the heart to all good influences, augurs happily and will doubtless produce results that as yet can hardly be conceived. There may be a falling-off of the curious by and by, but there cau bo no fears of a relapse, in the commonly accepted sense of the word, Moody 1s inferior to Wesley and Whitefield in manner and language, and how oan we explain the phenomenal power which he possesses unless we attribute it to the Holy Ghost? I am glad to say that here in New York there is a steadily increasing seeking after God, I have attended five prayer meetings this week, and they were all crowded.” REY. H. LLOYD, Methodist Episcopal, was of the opmion that if the churches would manifest the same zeal that Messrs, Moody and Sankey exlibit they would be as successtul in drawing the hearts of men toward them, and there would be no need of or room for revivals, Mr. Moody's good generalship is to be credited with much of the re- sults attained. The article in the Henanp of Tuesday last, he observed, expressed his views exactly, fle was of the opinion that the movement was of a spasmodic order, and that all traces of it would probably vanish, as has been the case with so many othor periods of reli- gious excitement. REY. G. U. WENNER, Lutheran, said that in view of the peculiar position of Teligious affairs in Germany his people were commenc= ing to look with some interest upon what they had | hitherto rather depreciatingly alluded to as emotional religion, Though rare im Germany, what are called re- vivals are not altogether unknown there, and one, at least, resulted in practical gooa, The Lutherans here will watch with interest for the development of the movement, REY, H. W. BELLOWS, Unitarian, feared that the revival, with its attendant exeitement, was much like a straw fire, which gives a doubtful slumination and produces no warmth, He disapproved of week day meetings that drew men away {rom their labors and duties, the honest perform- ance of which was a very agceptable way of serving the Lord. REV, G. PF. KROTEL, pastor of All Souls’ Universalist church, in the Eastern | District, stated that, in a certain degree, he was- in sympathy with the movement. This is a movement, he said, on the part of the evangelical churches, and the Universalists have been entirely ignored—perhaps unintentionally. As far as the theological aspect ot the movement is concerned he had no sympathy with it, The theology they teach he kad no coniidence in, | and he thought ithad been superseded by a good many hundred years. If it is to bea revival of theoiogy it will do injury; if a revival of righteousness it will do | good. As yetithas not sufficiently developed itself. | Understand, please, that we are _ heartily in sympathy with revivals, and are not at all “sour” because tho Universalists have been ig- nored, because, owing to our differences in theology, it would be impossible for us to work with them. Our papers and ministers haye no unkind feelings toward them, They bid it Godspeed. REV. 1, M, ADAMS, of the Central Methodist church, in the Eastern Dis- trict, expressed the belief that the work now being | done at the Rink would not fail to be productive of good. “look upon it,” said he, “as the climax of a work that has been in progress for some time. Tho hard times have driven mento think about things spiritual, as they did in 1867%:’” He believed that tho work of the evangelists would be productive of great benefits in bringing those who never before attended public worship under the influence of religious teaching. OPINIONS OF NEW YORK MINISTERS, The Rey, Gilbert H. Gregory, Methodist Episcopal, was unhesitatingly in favor of the movement, A great deal of the benefit that will grow out of it will be in drawing men’s attention towards the truths of the Gos- pel. The work, he said, had the confidence of good | and honest men, and he thought that it would infuse mew life and spirit into the churches. Moody and Sankey are undoubtedly in earnest, and are furthering what they regard as the*cause of true religion. Wo need allhelps in drawing the minds of men toward God and away from the things of this world. He was hopeful that the interest aroused would be productive of permanent good, but doubted whether it would be as successful here as It was in Europe, the peuples’ ideas of religion in the two countries being so different, It would be well, he thought, to wait and observe what the result really attained iu England amounted to, ‘THE REY, A. C. WEDEKIND, Lutheran, said that the people of his church generally had no affinity for the sensational, As to the perma- nency of the work done, we shall have to wait and judge. He hesitated to throw cold water on the movement, and could only say that if the work be of God it will stand; if it be not it will meet with a deserved failure, It is reported that there has been a reaction in Edinburgh, but the papers giving most prominence to the report have always been unfavorably affected toward Moody and Sankey and revivals in general. He was sorry to learn that the Hippodrome had been leased for the mootings in this city, and that people will have to at- tend a cireus if they wish to see or hear tho revivalists. As to the “inquiry meetings,” he thought that they were of doubtful good, Themen who suifer themselves to be influenced on such occasions do not realize the importance of what they are doing, and the religion which they then acquire cannot be of any depth. Still, ho remarked, he wished every success to Messrs, Moody and Sankey, and hoped that their efforts horo would be crowned with glorious results, REY. M, M1, MUTTON, Reformed Dutch, said Moody and Sankey had been in- vited here by the evangelical clergy, who, so far as ho knew, accorded them hearty support. There can be no doubt that they are doing good, and we must hope that the good will be lasting. The principles of the Protes- tant Church are for the inculeation of truth, and these men should be given an opportunity to do good in their way. RRV. W. WARNER CLARKR, Methodist, anticipated great results from the awaken- ing of mou’s minds to eternal ruth, Of tho thousands Lutheran, was averse to any sensational demonstra- tions like that at present prevailing, and was of opinion that there would be a following period of reaction, or apathy, at least, “The whole history of revivals shows | this, and if they are to be commended at all it is on the | questionable chance that some of thoso who are reached in this manner will continue to be as fervent as they think they are now. The movement may stir the churches up to augmented zeal, and they may | give permanence to it by the steadier labors of Sunday schools and missions,” THE REY. C. P. M’cARTIY, of the Bleecker street church, wishes to correct what he considers misrepresentations by the evangelists in reference to the faith of the Universalists, Mr. McCarthy says:—No one knows better than Mr, Moody himself that our Universalist faith asserts the impossibility of salvation without repentance, and the inexorable penalties of transgression, as well as the irrevocable certainty of retribution for iniquity and sin, Our reverent estimate of the divine justice obliges us to declare that neither repentance nor faith in Christ can save uny one from the just punishment of wrongdoing. And we believe according to the Scriptures, ‘though hand join in hand the wicked shall not go unpunished,’ and that the Crogfor is so true to His divine charactor that He ‘will by no means clear the guilty.’ Ivis true we are ‘the very men’ who would find fault with any governor who would allow the guilty to escape, and because we not only believe in just punishment as an eternal principle, but also because we know its correct- ing and reforming influence on the criminal, In tho case of the Divine administrator this justice is always tempered with mercy, and hence punishinent to any cannot be endless, because such would be not only use- less to the one punished, but cruel and, so far as its hor- rible torment is concerned, ferocious and sanguinary, Ispeak advisedly, for I have been behind the scones and in official Ligh places where now Mr. Moody with authority sits enthroned. We simply ask that ho will abstain from bearing false witness against one branch of the Church of Christ,”” REV. GEORGR HEPwoRTIT fully believes in the movement, his uppermost feeling regarding it being one of regret that Messrs, Moody and Sankey did not commence in New York. “I am sorry they are not here now, Dr, Hepworth said, and the fault is with us ministers that they are not. We were not a unit, as we should have been, to bring them here, When a man has in view the starting of any great enter- prise, which he intends to reach all over the country, he commences in New York. So should it be in religious movements; for these as well as for any other effort the place to start is New York. I think permanent good will result from the efforts of these men, and I am more than willing to co-operate with them. Mr, Moody may be a man without any great culture or any re- markable eloquence, but he is in dead earnest, having unbounded faith in his mission. He will stir the people to greater activity in religion. I believe in every earnest effort in this direction, There is no doubt in my mind that they will du good to the cause of religion in general, whatever seemingly objectionable peculiari- | ties may attend the progress of their work, such as the emotional excitements that are said to bejoccasioned by. the appeals of the evangelists. Mr, Moody, I think, al- Inded deprecatingly to these the other day. He, no | doubt, would prevent these things if possible. But, then, thego are almost inseparable {rom all such oftorts.”” REV. STEPHEN H. TYNG, JR., rector of Holy Trinity Protestant Episcopal church, corner of Madison avenue and Forty-second street, 18 a zealous advocate of the movement of Messrs. Moody and Sankey. The history of revivals, ho said, shows that they always commence with the common people; there never was one that did not so commence, The poor were the first converts to the Christian Church. St, Chrysostom, Luther ahd Whitefield first preached to tho poor, and by the poor were first glorified, “The Dest statement you can make from mo,” he said, “is this:--I have a free service every Sunday night in- Revivals are no novelties in this | speaking, at which I use their bymn book. In my opinion there will be a great relig- ous awakening long before they come to New York. During the past summer the House of Evangelists have been holding at the average fifteen open air meetings every Sunday, a figure never reached before, This and many other indications point to great activity in religious concerns, I am in favor of everything that will aid Moody and Sankey, and my opinion is that lasting benefit will result from their work.” REV, MARVIN R. VINCENT, Church of the Covenant (Presbyterian), Park avenue, corner of East Thirty fifth street, sympythizes with the movement and believes the results will prove of great benefit to the Church. He will co-operate in the spirit of the work, No one could study the accounts of the efforts of Moody and Sankey in England and not con- clude that they had done permanent good. He hoped they would bo equally successful here. Some may deprecate the emotional effect of their appeals, but this emotion was something unavoidable, Emo- tional effects are never absent from such efforts, but this should not be a cause of suspending them, All re- ligious arousings are good, and the clergy generally, he thought, were in syinpathy with the endeavora of Messrs. Sankey and Moody. REV. DR. ORMISTON, of the Collegiate Dutch church, corner of Fifth avenue and Twenty-ninth street, has known Mr. Moody for several years, and believes him a thoroughly earnest man. Dr, Ormiston is in favor of the movement in which he is a leader on general principles, but not hay- ing personally investigated the methods used by him is not prepared to speak on their usefulness. He will make personal examination of the work before taking any action in connection therewith. REY, DR, LUDLOW, f rector of the Collegiate Dutch church, corner Fifth avenue and Forty-cighth street, heartily favors the in- auguration of a general revival movement, He believes that Moody and Sankey should be encouraged, and sim- ultaneously with their efforts he has been keeping his church open nightly for prayer and addresses, and dif- ferent pastors are acting with him, among others Rey. Drs. Halland Ganse. He has discovered a very deep religious feeling among those attending the meetings, which have been unusually well attended for October. From these indications he thinks the people are pre- pared for Moody and Sankey, and that they will be very likely to have a great influence for good, He is heartily with them and has read with attention the reports of their proceedings in Brooklyn. REY. J. A, CHAPMAN, rector of St, Paul’s Methodist Episcopal church, corner of Fourth avenue and Twenty-second street, said that he was favorable to the movement, and it was his belief that most of the ministers of the Methodist Church in New York are willing to encourage it. He did not look for any great achievements, but hoped that Moody and Sankey wbuld do some lasting good for the cause of re- ligion, There is need, he said, of some effort to arouse the community to active interest in religious affairs, and the present he believed a good way of beginning. When they come to New York, as he expects they will about the middle of January, be would be reaay 10 lend his aid for their success, REV, DR. ARMITAGE, of the Fifth avenue Baptist church, had little to say more than that he heartily favored the movement, and would do whatever may be required of him to aid and encourage it, He believed it would be permanently beneiicial to the Church. REY. BH. CHAPIN, of the Fourth Universalist church, corner of Fifth avenue and Forty-fifth strect, had no objection to offer to their work. It is one of the ways of promoting re- ligiou, but he thought it had more beat than light “Religion,” he said, “is a life rather than an emotion, formity in religious work than in occasional effort, when that effort tends to the unusual exaggeration of hopes and fears, There are periods in the life of most churches when the presence of a general desire for greater ac- tivity is manifest, and I think it reasonable and proper te make use of theso occasions. There is a feeling somewhat similar at present stirring in many of the | churches, and I understand they are co-operating with the evangelists. So that it would seem the people are Prepared for activity, and doubtless much good will come of all this, Atleast, hope it may be so. Not being in accord with the evangelists I shall not be found working with them. My attitude toward them is“sSmewhat like the position the Protestant Episcopal clergy occupy. This you may say in the Hrraup, which, 1am pleased to notice, f treating these religious ques- tions from a broad catholic atandpoint.”” REY. 0. B. FROTIINGHAM said he was decidedly opposed to the movement on principle, He was opposed to it not because it was conducted by Moody and Sankey, whom he beheved |. earnest and honest, but because he did not believe it would effect any permanent good. It was a movement that should not be encouraged, he thought, so far as he had at all thought about it. It would no doubt be fruit- ful in calling forth a good deal of praise and prayer, but would be more likely to exhaust the multitude than lay any foundation for solid progress, Improvement in hu- | man society could not be stimulated by such evanescent means, All such excitements are followed by a mis- chief-working reaction, which leaves the community in a worse condition fora time than it was previous to their advent. Appealing in this way to human fears and hopes unduly agitated people, and the excitement seiz- ing the assembled mass gave an air of sincerity to the whole, while only a very small proportion will be found really earnest, and those were so before. After tho great New England revivals—during which the emo- tions were unduly stirred—vice set in, and a worse con- dition of society succeeded. Such agitations are irra- tional and tend to no permanent good. “I believe in more rational methods,’’ he said, “for the improvement of society, Ido not think that Mr, Moody’s audiences carry home with them many new ideas, Indeed, ho does not appear at any pains to appeal to their intellect atall, I do not believe that any elevation of society or any diminution of vice resulted from their work in England. Ido not believe they closed there perma- nently a single gin shop or a single brothel. The whole drift of my reading hes led up to the conclusion that all such attempts as they are making have resulted in pos- itive evil. People suddenly and violently aroused to re- ligious enthusiasm do not keep up the fervor with which they commenced, and when a relapse comes it leaves them,worse than they wero at first, It is like applying the galvanic battery toa poor, disabled man, and mak- ing him jump about fora moment or two, only to leave him in a more weakened condition from the effects of the shock. No good can come of any effort to galvan- ize souls. When Moody and Sankey come to New York I shall consider it my duty to study them more closely than I have hitherto cared to do, and asa pub- lic teacher it may be my duty to speak openly my opin- 10n of thein and the effect of their work, At present I should think it would be difficult to ascertain definitely the opinion of the ministry on this question. There are many of them who are afraid of running counter to popular notions—afraid of what Mrs. Grundy will say— and, not standing upon the philosophy of the thing, will appear willing to tolerate it for the possible good in it, My opposition to it is founded on principle ; on a disbelief in the true efficacy of it, and an objection to galvanizing the souls of the community. These people wore a novelty in England ; their method is not new here.” REY. W. P, MORGAN, rector of St. Thomas’ Protestant Episcopal church, Fifth avenue, corner of Fifty-third street, summarized his opinion, saying:—“I hope that God will prosper every honest endeavor for the salvation of souls. Iam full of chanty for all efforts directed toward the ex- tension of God’s kingdom." REY, R. &. HOWLAND, rector of the Protestant Episcopal Church of the Heavenly Rest, No. 651 Fifth avenue, when questioned did not discover any inclination to speak freely about the subject. He hoped it would be ® success, but was not co-operating with the move- ment in any way. He had taken no action in connec- tion with it, and should prefer not to go into details about the matter, He would say no more, REV. G. 1, HovGHTON, rector of the Church of the ‘ransfiguration (Protestant Episcopal), corner of Fifth avenue and East Twenty- ninth street, is m a neutral position regarding the Moody and Sankey movement. He does not wish to appear antagonistic to unything intended to do good. He docs not, however, believe in this sort of religious effort, “The ministers of our Church,” he said, “have enough to attend to in the circle of their own congregation, and I believe they will be found to take no more interest in this matter than the Roman Catholics do, As a rule, they do not believe in this sort tended for the very class of people to whom thev are of religious effort, They baye ther own seasons of and personally I have more faith in an even, regular uni- | 7 Prayer and exhortation, and py attending to these and.) TFT ESTIMATES FOR 1876. going on evenly in their work they could best fulfil their duties.” If Moody and Sankey come to New York he will not be with them; henee he had not paid apy ab tention to their proceedings in Brooklyn, THE SERVICES YESTERDAY. There was a perceptible falling off in the attendance at the Tabernacle yesterday morning, Mr. Sankey was absent, Services commenced with the singing of the “Sweet Hour of Prayer.” Sixty-two requests er for the unconverted were re: Rev. W. 8. Davis, of the Simpson Methodist Episcopal church, offered prayer. The singing was led by Rev. Fred. Bell, of the Primitive Methodist Episcopal church, Mr. Moody's sermon was upon the Lord’s Prayer, The conversion of an infidel judge by virtue of prayer formed an episode of the discourse. After short ad- dresses and prayers tho meeting was dismissed, RELIGIOUS FEELING IN BOSTON. AN EVANGELICAL MOVEMENT TO BE INAUGU- RATED—MOODY AND SANKEY AND THEIR METHOD TO BE IGNORED—MEETING oF CLERGY, Bosrox, Oct. 30, 1875. The subject of an evangelical movement in Boston has been freely agitated of late, and to-day there was ‘an informal consultation on the matter, which was par- ticipated in by nearly all the evangelical clergymen of the city. Just when and how the movement will begin has not yet been determined upon, but definite plans will probably be fully developed and announced at a fu- ture consultation next week. It is not contemplated to invite Moody and Sankey, however; but in all prob- ability the work will be managed and carried on exclu- sively by the Boston clergymen who participated in the preliminary meeting to-day, Among those present were the Rev, Dr. Webb, Rev. C. F. Swan, Rev. J. B. Dunn, Rey. R. 8. Seymour, Rey, Mr. Herrick, Rev. A. J. Gordon, Rev. Mr. Hamilton, Rev, Mr. Waldron, Rev. Mr. Rand, Rey, Mr, Wright, Rev. Mr, ‘Thomas, and many others of equal reaown among the clergy of Boston and vicinity. All of them represented that there was an unusual religious feeling in the various locahties in which they ofliciated, and various suggestions were made to extend the Christian flame throughout the city, The idea of hiring a music hall and inaugurating and conducting the meetings on a grand scale, similar to those now in progress in Brooklyn, was not favora- bly received by the majority, the prevailing sentiment being that the work should be carried on in the churches in different sections of the city and vicinity. This latter plan is the one most likely to be adopted, and the meetings will probably be inaugurated at an early day. THE WAR IN CUBA. THE FLURRY OCCASIONED IN CUBAN AND SPANISH CIRCLES BY THE MADRID CABLE DESPATCH OF YESTERDAY-—EVIDENCES OF A GRAND SPANISH EFFORT TO CRUSH OUT THE INSURRECTION. The news telegraphed to this city from Madrid, and published in yesterday’s Heraxp, to the effect that the Epoca of Madrid had stated that the Spanish Cabinet recentiy discussed its reply to the Washington note, which tends to aetermine the relations of Spain and America, has caused no little comment and excitement among Spaniards and Cubans in this city. The Cubans believe that the President will do bis best to obtain bel- ligerent rights for the Cubans, It is stated that tho Spanish government YB sending avery large body of troops to Cuba, apparentlyto make a supreme effort to crush out the rebellion, In addi- tion to this steamships are leaving this port loaded to their utmost capacity with provisions for the troops in Cuba, ‘Two of them left this port yesterday, and others will soon follow, The cereals taken out include rico and wheat in vast quantities, and when further con- tingents of Spanish troops arrive in Cuba the exports of breadstufls will, doubtless, be doubled. Tho steamers going to Havana are all carrying deckloads, which entaiis no little danger to all on board at this season of the year. The steamers advertised to leave this port during the next fortnight have all their room. already engaged, and shippers are told at the Havana shipping offices that they cannot receive their goods till later on. Itis probable that a number of sailing ships will be put on the berth for Havana, and likewise several extra steamers. ‘The Spanish official organ in this city, in its last | issue, admits the fact that its government is in receipt, not of a diplomatic note, but a despatch from our State Department, through Mr. Cushing, relating to Cuban affairs, and after indulging in a good deal of buncombe, signifies its hope that the Spanish government will or: der all its available iron-clad fleet to Cuba and show the people of the New World how a nation of heroes can preserve its traditionalthonor and die in the last ditch, fighting. THE EVACUATION OP THE CINCO VILLAS DrsTRICT by the Spanish army in Cuba has been for some time ‘ast contemplated by Captain General Valmaseda, and as lately, been the subject of a conference held by the Count at’ his suburban residence, La Quinta de los Molinos, near Hayana, to which all the military com- manders were invited. The matter, after being pro- tractedly and warmly discussed, was sanctioned by atwo- thirds majority of those present, numbering twenty- five, and measures looking to an early evacution of the Eastern and Central departments, including the Cinco Villas, have been already made, CUBAN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. JUAN B, SPOTORNO DULY ELECTED AS sUC- CESSOR OF CESPEDES. The returns of the election held in Cuba Libre during Angust to confirm the appointment made by Congress of Colonel Sefior Juan B. Spotorno as President of the Republic have been received in this city, The choice has fallen upon the present incumbent, unanimously by the army and with but few dissenting votes from the people, thus ignoring the claims to the Presidency held by Sefior F. V, Aguilera, who was elected Vice President of the Republic at’ the commencement of the struggle for independence, in 1808, for the duration of the revolution, Upon the death ‘of Presi- dent Cespedes he by right became Chief Magistrate, but as Mr. Aguilera has not been able to make his way’ Into Cuba, although he recently made heroic efforts so to do, it was decided to take the popular vote on the sub- Ject, and the result is given above. THE CASE OF THE MONTANA. A PASSENGER CONTRADICTS THE STATEMENTS OF EX-CAPTAIN ALLEN, To tne Eprror or tur Heratp;— Srr—I notice in the Sun of October 27 a statement from ex-Captain J. U. Allen giving a version of what happened to the steamship Montana, As this affair will appear in the law courts I do not wish to say any- thing that may prejudge the case, but as a passenger on the Montana I most distinctly assert that the Cap- tain is wrong in what he states, It can be proved that the sbip’s engines were not slowed down until after the damage was done, Also that the water in the forehold was not reduced by pumping, and that when lying off Queenstown in calm water the ship inereased her water in the forehold at the rate of one and a half feet por hour. ‘ Tam satisfied that the passengers will not fail in ob- taining an indemnity for the loss of their baggage. It is not true that it has been decided over and over again. in England that a steam shipping company is not re- sponsible for loss of baggage, except when the value has been declared, when it can be proved that the loss resulted from carelesness on behalf of the servants of the company. If it were necessary I could say much on this jatter point, but I have too much regard for your space, Tam sorry to be obliged to differ from so distin- gnished a man as ex-Captain Allen, but sympathy for the unfortunate losers compels me to trouble you with these few remarks, CHARLES V. WILLETT, London. Sr. Nicno.as Horses, Naw Yor, Oct. 28, 1875, POST OFFICE NOTES. Postmaster James reports that he yesterday de- posited in the Sub-Treasury $67,800, as the receipts last ‘week from the sale of postage stamps This is the largest sum ever received since his appointment as Postmaster in a single week from this source, There were 47,386 letters and seventy-six bags of newspaper matter shipped yesterday on outward bound steamers as follows:— On the Celtic, for Queenstown, 14,471 letters and 14 bags of papers; on the Ville de Paris, for Havre, 3,033 letters and 4 bags; on the Alps, for West Iadia ports, 1,412 letters and 3 bags; on the City of New York, for Aspinwall, 8,600 letters and 12 bags of newspapers; on for Glasgow, 1,564 letters and 8 bags of Severna oe ‘he ihine, "for Southampton aud Bremen, 22,365 letters and 34 bags of newspapers; and the State of Texas, for Havana and Texas, 350 letters [ apers. a Ste een ‘pgentous contrivances to save tho Jogs and the wind of the active clerks under Superin- tendent Plumley, of the Money Order Department has just been adopted. It consists of an electric motor ‘driving a beit from the money order clerks to the cash- jer’s desks, a distance of over eighty fee. Whena clerk at one of the wickets issues a check upon the cashier at the other end of the room he deposits simul- taneously upon the travelling belt a duplicate that reaches the cashier before the man with the original check presents it, and thus all delays and mistakes are avoided. The travelling belt, which the boys under Mr. Plumley call a ‘rapid transit travelling sidewalk,” runs in a box, Inclosed on the sides and bottom, and travels much faster than a messenger could da COMPLETION OF THE WORK OF THE BOARD OF APPORTIONMENT—LIST OF APPROPRIATIONS ¥OR THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS—COME TROLLER GREEN PROTESTS, ‘The Board of Estimate and Apportionment, consisting of Mayor Wickham, Comptroller Green, Alderman Lewis and Tax Commissioner Wheeler, yesterday com- pleted the consideration of the provisional estimates for 1876. They assembled in the Mayor's office at eleven o'clock. Comptroller Green moved that the following redue- tions be made, which were voted down:—Salartés, De- partment of Public Works, from $130,000 to $120,000; Department ot Taxes and Assessments, trom $125,000 to $110,000. The item of $1,980,525 for bonds for liquidation of claims and judgments against the city, falling due July 1, 1876, was stricken out at the suggestion of Mayor Wickham. ‘The street cleaning appropriation was cut down, oD motion of the Comptroller, from $800,000 to $775,000. An item of $10,000 Was placed at the disposal of the Law Department to defray expenses incurred in the Procuring of evidence against the Ring prior to 1872 THE SEVENTH REGIMENT ARMORY, An opinion was received from the Corporation Coun- Sel, declaring it mandatory on the Board to make ap appropriation for the erection of the Seventh regiment armory, in accordance with the law passed by the last legislature. This created considerable trouble, Comp. troller Green bitterly opposed the appropriation, but said that he was ready to bow to the opinion of the law officer of the Board, A motion was then made by Mayor Wickham to make the appropriation $50,000, which was lost, Alderman Lewis suggested $100,000, This was also Mr. Green, after hearing the opin- jon of Mr. Whitney, voted in favor of the armory scheme, but afterward changed his vote to the negative ‘on hearing a further verbal explanation from the Cor- poration Counsel, who was present, The latter said it was evidently in the nnd of the party wha wrote the law and the Legislature which passed it that the land on which the armory was built should belong to the city and be under the immediate control of the Common Council. The land was now under lease to the Seventh regiment, and was therefore out of the control of the city during the term of such lease, The question then arises whether an appropria- tion could properly be made under the circumstances, ‘Tax Commissioner Wheeler remarked it was the right and privilege of this Board to say when any amount for an armory shall be included in the tax levy, His opinion was, considering the other énormous burdens to be provided for and the accommodations which the regiment at present enjoys—restored to them bya recent heavy expense to the city—that it would be in the highest degree inexpedient to impose this seemingly unnecessary burden at the present time. A vote was finally taken on a motion to make some appropriation, which was lost, Messrs, Wheelor and Green voting in opposition, The former gentleman has persistently opposed this scheme since its incep- von, * “ Debate on the matter of the Seventh regiment ar- mory concluded the consideration of the provisional estimates, and nothing remained but to vote upon them asa whole. This vote must be concurrent under the law. lost A PROTEST PROM THE COMPTROLLER. Mr. Green here read the following protest to the Board :— Ciry or New York, Finance Department, ComprroLtEr’s Ovvick, Oct, 30, 1875. To THE Boarp ov EsTiMATE AND APPORTIONMENT The Comptroller hereby presents his protest against the insertion of the following, among other items of appropriations, in the estimate for 1876, as he considera them either ailegal or extravagant or unnecessary, to wit:— First—The item of $12,500 for the Bureau of Permits, Mayor's office, Second—The item of $30,650 for rents, under reso lutions of the Common Council, the leases of the prem. ises not having been executed, while the rents are ex travagant, the premises are not needed for the mter+ ests of the city and there is no lawful authority for im curring the expense. hird—Vhe item for salaries in the Department of Public Works. ‘The salaries in that department are ip many cases too high, and can and should be reduced, Fourth—The item of salaries for the expenses of the Department of Taxes and Assessments, which is ex- cessive. Fifth—The addition of $6,000 for salaries of clerks ta the Commissioners of Accounts, which is an illegal and unnecessary expense. ‘The Comptrolter therefore votes now for the estimate for 1876, not willingly, in order only that the public service may not be embarrassed by a failure of the Board of Estimate and Apportionment to adopt and ap. prove of it within the prescribed time, and because the concurrent vote of all (he members is required by law to perfect it formally, and not because he sanctions and approves of it as a Whole, ANDREW H. GREEN, Comptroller. The estimates were then passed upon. ‘The follow ing is a list of the main appropriations:— De} ats and Purposes. Allowed 1875, Allowed 1876, The Common Council.. $114,500 $109, 50¢ The Mayoralty....... 59,000 49,500 The Department of Finance... _ 280,000 255,000 Btate tayes.......s.eeee eee. 8,012,386 7,283,189 Interest on and instalment of debt. ef « 10,754,763 11,567,504 Judgments. . 000 125,000 Commissioners of Sinking Fund, expenses of. 2,000 2,500 Rents (under leases 75,000 44,050 Rents (leases not made). = 30,650 Rents, office of Counsel Corporation ... seeee — 6,000 Real estato, expenses of. 0,000 100,00 Salaries bureau of attorney for collection of arrears of personal thxes............. 11,000 6,000 ' Armories and drill “rooms, ‘wages of armorer ee 8,000 Census, 187 = 50,130 Encumbrances in harbor, re- moval of.. . - 1,000 State taxes du ir COUNLY .... 2000 ots par 46,578 Coroners’ post-mortem exam- tations .......++ : 5,000 The Law Department, 192,850 170,000 The Department of Public WOrkS........:ceeseeeeeeee 2,682,000 1,694,000 The Department of Public The Department of Public Buildings. 95,000 80,008 The Depart ‘ul Charities and Correction, 1,183,000 1,232,000 The Health Department. ‘222,000 246,500 The Police Department, 4,187,325 4,189,475 The Fire’ Department. 1,816,000 742 The Department of ‘Taxes and Assessments...... 129,800 125,000 The Board of Educatioi 8,583,000 8,689,500 The College of the City of York .. hos 150,000 150,000 Advertising, printing, st tionery and biank books. 174,000 172,500 Salaries—City courts. . 371,080 352,200 Salaries—Judictary 345 849,575 Coroners’ fees... 000 76,000 Contingenotes—District Attor- ney.... ee cesseees 7,750 7,750 Disbursements and fees of county oflicers and witnesses 12,000 6,000 Election expenses. 160,000 139,250 Jurors’ fees... 30, 25,000 16,000 12,000 15,000 500 re 40,000 Ey Asylums, reformatories, 883,140 For procuring and presenting vidence in relation to fants... ag eereeereeee 20,000 ~ New City Prison Commission. 6,000 ad Fourth avenue improvement. 813,767 = National Ride Association. ... 5 - Indebtedness of the late town of Kingsbridge for BUIVOYS. see reee ee 14,000 ~ Total. - $90,171,473 $95,495,251 Less general fund 4,000,000 8,000, 004 Grand total.........+++++09$82)171,472 $92,498,239 ‘As to the general fund, when tne budget was passed last year it amounted only to $3,000,000, Subsequently a law was passed by the Legislature authorizing the Comptroller to certify to the Board of Supervisors the amount of estimated revenues of the general fund, ‘This duty Mr. Green discharged, and cortified te $4,000,000, There is therefore a deduction in the esti- mates this year of over ha aps 000. The figures will now go the Board of Aldermen, A SINGULAR ACCIDENT, A CARELESS PIGEON-SHOOTER KILLS A LOOKER ON. On the 24th of September last, during the of a pigeon shooting match at Astoria, L, I, Setzer, a bystander, was shot in the knee with rod from the gun of one of the contestants, Michael Cavannagh. It seems that in the hurry loading his piece Cavannagh neglected to remove ramrod, and, on discharging the gun, the fod hurled a dirtance of nearly four hundred feet, lodgi in the knee of Sctzer, where it broke off, a maining in the wound. The injured man was taken the German hospital, in this city, where he died on Gorcner Ressler bell. an. toqnest in the case yester- er Kessler hel iné in day at the Coroners’ office, the jury rendering a ver: dict of accidental death and censured the authorities of Astoria “ior allowing pigeon shooting to take place = * within the corporate limits,” | Ali’ Es3