The New York Herald Newspaper, January 28, 1875, Page 4

4 THE GREAT SCANDAL a Eighteenth Day of the Tilton: Beecher MOULTON GONE AT LAST. Case, oe Ses Fresh Witnesses Appearing on the Stand. MRS. BRADSHAW’S LETTERS What West Charged Against 4 Tilton. BEECHER’S BAD WORD. Looking Beneath the Surface of the Scandal. boyisn old m who passes arouad th to the chatrs, fills There is a biz, named C places, Plymout bo their points tt water postur e glasses ba stand bd bemgn, he chop whiscers a. Som is a8 sa oejected to tnis Bob-olicial, aud a jury vay for mov this humbie ld chap as being too n bounced tim man’s sou ul man, however, on in iis good work, and we slouid be loata to part with him. Bi Aliah jor a} Tarveydro, ism where there js so much argument aud eutuority. It 13 a3 a mare lor the Plymouth co overture every HERALD to their ¢ badies and gentl nat nues out oi con sved be geueral usher, and uct merely , that we app in the d show the readers of tue ar day men, this is the middle of the fourto week of the trial, Yoncer 1s the Judge, ia a brown wig, faith.ul as Dog Tray, presiding on the bench. Neilson is Dis mame, and he stauds the bad air and the big crowd Without grumbling, ex cept that in the last jew days be has notified ail counsel that they must argue less and accept his rulings more directly, in order to save expense aad economize time, By the side of the Judge is the Court Clerk, Majlison, a smaii man, with a strong voice anda great antipathy to anything serious, Re can be heard at Brookivu jerry when the newsboys are Screaming loudest with their evening papers, To the rignt of the Judze, raised ap about turee feet, 18 the witness’ chatr, Oak and cane, where have alieudy been se@ted no end of cundidates lor the jury and sour witnesses up to iast night. if Frank Moulton can get ths chair for his posterity it wil be more yuluabie to them than the chairs Serators and Congressmen so zealously transport to their homes at the Close 01 puoiie life, Unger this chair are the stenugraphers of the Court—quiet, devoted men, Then there ts a wide waste of newspaper reporters, extending every- where in eight, running up into cofners and vehind the Judge's platform, and, in all, oceupy- ing probably @ dozen or twenty tables. The taterest in the case throughout the country is prodigious. A Western editor at Cincinnati, who 13 printing the whole trial verbatim, wrote yester.ay to bis correspondent $hat it -bsoroed more lnterest than Congress or Louisiana. A Boston geotieman says that people who paid little attention to tae statements and arguments of last autumn are reading the whol Shing again with tue deepess interest. In this ‘ity and Brooklyn the respectable newspapers stand shy of argument. Two of our morsivg con- temporaries have been warned, one of them twice and one threatened by Mr. Beach with presentation jor contempt. The duicet flow o; the HzraLp’s story has been accepted as the mirror of justice. We trust no juror has read any of i; and nas there- Jore pined to take tue [gnap into the jury box. Such never was our tniention. We velieve hota sets of counsel im whatever ihey say, aud trust tuat @ verdict will be rendered embodying ali the views ofeverybody. ifthe jury does not disagree Ww will be Gnfashionable. ‘The lawyers are stilt in the puddle, holding last. Hand.ng elbow to elbow, aud interrupting eacu other ag oiten as possible. Ihe defence has the preponderance of legai learning; the plaimtia’s side more concert of action and more equality of motive and temper, There 1s novody on Tilton’s vide of the case too ardeas in his lavor, Hence, the only exnibitions of temper there are proies. sional and emulous. The counsel agree, speak iu rotation and witnout even accidental clashing, and they have secared a good part of the rulings of the Judye in their favor. tuliugs Loted on the part of the delenuce are prov- uly as tem to ove. The two attorneys for Mr. Beecher, whose zeal fud (riendship jor him, maniested ia the most shivairic way, Dave drawn tem tuto pers nal re- lations with lim which sometimes spur them to excitement, are Tracy and Shearman. Both are devi ted me Tracy ts strong and youthful, witn the liape\uosity Of a second rather than the coo.- gess ofa counsellor. Shearman is identified witn she congregation which has espoused Mr. Beecher’s cause ag its Clerk or secretary. His aoility ia in bis glibness and pertinacity. @iis mantiest weak 18 {a bis too copious cramming oF MnUe, Weick crowd the Channel Of the detonce and ovscure its limpid flow, and ia the temper of retaliation, whico incites him ‘o stick adjectives end vijurgations into very piaim stalements, bot to their relief or assistance. The power of these two men is in thelr knowledge of the case. Experts Wave remarked that they would have been more useful bad they been silent rather than active barristers jor Mr. beecuer. Tue whole crossexamination of Mouiton on the side Of (be Ge ence Las jacked ingenuity and in- cision. Tis may Lave come from the adroituess of tue witness, Who had previously understood that be need expect uo mercy gnd come to the stand ina measure hardened and with sangfroid, He bas been altogether the most remurkavie object ‘the trial, the deieudant excepted, Yesterday ae was excused, having finished bis work, and While the defence claim that be committed bimseit in many instances the Gature of the oral evidence aid not admit any clear perception of tis fact by tue general public, It i# very rareiy taat @ wituess of Moul- ton’s temperament appears on any stand, and this temperament may have accounted ior his extraordinary relations to the plaimtit and de- feodant. Such @ story and such a reiator put togetier make an extraordinary presentation. Mrs. Tilton has stopped coming to court, So heave the Ovingtons, Fields and jesser lights, Mrs. Beecher still agenas with her busvand, The appearance of this Od couple grows daily more pitinvie. She jooks scant and ayed: very much worse than at the beginning, and he also ears (hat scariet, dum He color indicative of apopiectic tendencies, ‘Ihe testimony yesterday brought up Mra, Brad- haw, @ neigavor of the Tiltons; Mr. West, who tited Tilton velore Plymouth eburen, and Mr. Woodruff, Mouiton’s bale aud senior partner, 4 person o/ the highest consideration in Brookiyu. Hie testimony was suspended almost at the out- wer, the defence earnestly realstiog it. 4A bald vid man ia the centre o1 the court ex- cited great attention vy wearing a cloth giove on bie head, whlch made nim jook, as he modded to and tro, ike @ sieepy SChOOI globe serving as o guide pos. Mra, Homer E. Neison, a pretty woman with @Feminss, siigutiy resembling Clare Louise Keliog, ‘The exceptions to , NEW YORK HERALD, THURSDAY, JANUARY 28, 1875.-TRIPLE SHEET, saf ta court all day beside Mrs. Pratt, an elderly | be has been tortured,” was a quietus for the ex- ' style, a voice hardly audibie, aud a disposition to | Q. What occnrred in Mr. Beeche! person, ey. E. Lansing Taylor, a Methodist preacher, Was in court i the atternoon, THE RVIDENCE, proceedings of the Court Neilson drew attention wo tie jact chat time was Wasted in irrelevant and unimpor- cussions, aud hoped counsel would la 1u-- eoonoaage time, arts compiataed that a morning paper re- on counsel for the deience by making it ay- Ar that, DOtWithstandimg the painful domestic Jou to Which the witness had been subiected, e) persisted im prolonging the examination 38. rion bore witness to the urbanity of wuusel and thelr ready disposition to cumination, i SDIREC! BXAMINATION. Fullerton—At the elos¢ of the sitting vester- Moulton, we Were askin. about ths pubs in the Golden Age, emoodyiug a letter of on tO Mr, Beecher, January 1, 1871, You ce. NbOR Your cross-eXaminauon that the copy tc tripartite agreement was not exactly like e one You Nad geen, Lnand you now a paper S, sir; this is the one I saw; I think We are unied’ 1s not im the copy 0 Waa attached to the triparule agreement. Lom have deen asked, Mr. Moulton, upon the ee eae ke Nhine tibaee: Mr, Beach—But the couasel’s retereuce to the | of aan a Sretencs 20-58 Sates ; Have yon talked with Mr, Tilton on the sub- | 00se ana the gander has reminded us Of a roost. dhe: AE Bowe ASS ject of divorce tA. Yes. (Greag laughter.) payment o: the $5,000, 1 wish to ask you whether Mr. Beecaer mentioned the puvieation of that jeer ia eounection with tuat payment or in con- cuON With What Was said prior to the payment of $5,000? AL It m connection with that pay- ment, ° Q, Where did you get the noie that was read in evidence and the two letters accompanying thas note? A, From Mr, Tiltoa. il Q. They were not in your possession? A. No, sir. Q. You have been asked in respect to Theodore ‘Tiioa’s valedietory and as to che time when you lirst saw it. What valedtetory did you reler to? A. alt, Tiiton’s valedictory in the Jadependent, Q Whea be ceased to be editor ana became the correspondent? A, He became tue contributor. q. Leail your attention for a moment to a letter 1870, and ask you Wether you noe of that letter uati it had sent? A. No, str. ‘) Your answer that you disapproved of that reuce to the knowledge you had de. | (irom Mr, Tilton of its contents after it had besn sent? A. Yes, sir, | ( You disapproveu of sending it? A. res, alter it had been written, Q. Abu Your (asapproval was founded upon the that Mr, Bowen did not father nis own charges | uing (hat papery A. Lb tuougat be ougut to have signed the Daper, Qe in uny of the couv rsations. to which your at- tion hay been ealied by tae cross-eXamiuacon on tue OF side wita Mr. Boecher, or ta Wit your attention wis directed Upon the direct ex anvnation, did Mr, Beecher ever deny to you tus sexual wtercourse with Mrs. Liiton? A. Never. air, Pullertou—Lbat ts all. RE-CROSS EXAMINATION, Mr, Tracy—Froui the tine of the establishment of the Golden Age what proportion ol the original criptious had been paid ta ? Vituess—L don’t recoliect; my original sub- scription wes $3,009; I paid $1,500; 1 dou’t know jat Twas to have tn cousideration; the agree- t Was that Theodore ‘witon was to ave the subseriptious; he Waa to have the Whole Suoserip- tion aS a gift to Bim; my impression 18 the umount Was paid oD or about the ume the notes were given; 16 Was put on deposit with Woodraf & Rovingon, Q. What amounts did Theodore Tilton cag on iat account? a. February 5, £600; lebru- ary 1s, $500; February 24, 1871, $500; Maren 4, y what you say, jor 1 Would part with my mgnt hand | $00; May 2, $500; November 16, $500, ' The ane eae ocean emtetet oy Mr, | sooner than to destroy the fove and conta n | Q. Then there is no deposit ia that account from | Tracy ¥ +3 rag sy, ont ber el ae. oY = Bagg he grnberd | bat g : or a few MOM ere orev ot, | Maze SS ere ee ene OS Mr, ‘Tracy— have exammed about that. | or must Taccept Theodore's awtul story for truth? Do posit Maven 4, $500, | They went into the matter of the Fifth Avenue | mitigate it, be it ever so little. it you can, E’izabetn has «. When? ‘A. Maren 4, 1871. «. From March to November there 15 no deposit | i biGaty A. Ob, yes; io March there is. Q. Alter Murca? A. diay 1, 3500. Q. is there any irom tue 1st of November? No, hot unui Noveuver 15. . What did you understand these deposits dioug in March, witer Atay 1, 1871, to be? dir. Fullertou—L must ob; hur. Tracy—I don’t press Loe qu Fullervon—1 didn’t in tue tirs A in vepiy to the redirect examimation. Mr. Traey—1 don’t press the question, the ac- count speaks for tteei!. ‘Tue withess was then examined at some length as to the Character Of the speeck Mr, ‘filton made acoremway Hall in introductag Mra, Woodhull, but nocbiug worta mentioning was elictted, DKAWING NEAR THE END. It was now about half-past eleven, and mani- | lestiy near the close of Moulton’s examination. cangerous personal task of compelling the witness to extricate him (Tracy) from the position of having advised witu General Butier and Moulton as to the disposition of his statement before the Couren Committee. With this attorney. Itis the attituve of the plain- jim that Tracy joined the case, like Moulton, as @ mutual frievd, worked with Moulton and Butler to prevent an exposure, shared the jullest confl- dence Of the coniederates and gave 4 personal promise not to act asa lawyer in auy trist wich might arise because so entrusted witn confidence. Ciaiming that he broke that confidence, betrayed one side to the other and came into the case | unprofessionally if not dishonorably, the plainua’s attorneys bave savagely so charged General Tracy, Woo repliet that he had considered his ground | well, that Ne nad always been the defendant's intend alone, and that he would “answer to ks conscience and bis God.” He has, however, shown some sensibility aud resentment oa the subject, and be 1s without the power of concealing his feelings. Frank Moulton 1s altogether more nimbie aud fuily as determined, and he has tor several days forced ‘racy into the defence aud put bim to clearing himself. ‘Tracy's effort yester- day to get @ Closing victory over the witness was @ failure so fur as himeelf was concerned, and tae Judge also turned bis countenance against him. THE FIFTH AVENCE HOTEL INTERVIEW. Q. Now, Mr, MOUItOD, you refer to an imterview | atthe biith Avenue Hotel when you say 1 was histrionic | | #Pesent and General Batier? A, counseliors + Yes. Q. Aud you say that you did not present ceptain papers to the committees because 1 requested you hot to! (es. q. Will you tell what papers I requested you not to preseut? A. You requested me not to make any #tatemept. (Laugnter.) Q. [will ask you tis question; Was nut the only paper that 1 requested you not to puke t) you on the subject of nol presenting to Lue committee, or to tne public, Mr, Moulton, tat Was a your scatement, the papers or the ietters of Mrs. Wooker to her brother, Mr, John Hooker's jetters to his whe and Mr. Thomas K, Beecher’s letters to his sister? A. No, sir, they were not the only letters. Q they were not? A. No, sir, Q. Dia not {on that occasion and on other occa- Suy, Wheu speaking of those letters, that L POtsay lo you “no honorable man could make letters public’—! never said that? A. No, hes you dia not. Q@ Did a you say to me, in answer to that, that given to you by Mr, Beecher ib counection Witn Did #peech, aud aid not | reply toat i did not see how either you or Mr. Beecuer could luke fhe responsibilty of making pablic private te\ters written to him, aud that. the pri- Vote letters of a husband to Wis wile and the pre Vate leitcr of u brother to bis sister could pot be made public without their consentr A. I don't recollecs you said anything of the kind; it was not until the Saturday night previous that tuese let- ters were to @o into the statement, the nignt ue- tore you saw Genera! Butler at the Fith Avenue Hotel; they were not put inco the statement until the night before. (Laughter,) q 1am asking you what I said to you and what you said tome? A. Yea, Q Now, Mr. Mouiton, do you say that it was de- | fermineu at the Fifth Avende Motel that wight that you would not present jour statement to the comuitiee’ A. 1 say it Waa determined, . Please answer my question, r. Beach—Well, he 18 not Lound to answer jes nu. Witness—I cannot answer that, yes or no, with- out Lilia” or NERAL TRACY NONPLUSGED, | Q Now, asfaras you know, do you know that 1 had apy knowledge of what your action was to be that allernoon—whetner for presenting or witaholding that report? A. 1 did think you kuew | what the pal action was to be, I knew what you | wanted it to be, (Laughter.) } ‘ar, Lracy objected to the last remark, | ROUSE mB VOR ETRY HOD, strike Out chat iat | remark. ‘ Mr. lracy—Can it pot be, your Houor, with an admooitlod to the witness? | a The witness nas been here | these Six, eight or tes days. and las been tor- | tured by both sides; therejore | will not admon- | ish him, THE JULGE AbETS THR WrTwRes, Three or six times during this cross-examina- tion Moulton got a round of applause ana laugh. ter to Tracy's anger. Highly jucensed and seeking to make Moulton quitthe stand with a rebake, ‘Tracy appealed to toe Judge, a# above, with deep feeling. The Jadge’s retors made @ sensation in the court room. The audience were recutied to | the recollection of the witiess's dead mother ana | equalled crvse- jamily ailic ton io the midst of this almost un- xamioation, eleven days loug iv jact, aud to the undou ted fact that his trouvles bag obtained bim no respite nor corresponding | courtesy from this particular lawyer. Mr. Evarte | bad been softer toward him, Tne Judge's shot, | Geluvered with power, “Z wili got admonish nim; began at eleven, | Words are in the Landwriting of O.ver | thing and nos call tor tue balance oi the | place press pyjection, but Your Honor must see it 18 not | therefore, alter a pause, unaertook the | Herein is the sore pornt of all | iesent, or | | United States District Attorney. In a littie while i do no injary to anyvody, She kept ber eyes on Moulton stepped down but not out, | the floor, and Was very little bulityd or harassed | Mr. Tracy (to witness)—Now, sir, Le lever ask | by counsel. Fullerton read ner letier with his you in the world, Mr, Moulton, to withhold from | psig " % es | Jour statement, of any statement of youra to the | T80%l silvery sweetness, He is the Court canary commitice, any paper that Henry Ward Beecher | Ditd as Evarts ts -the lark, Mr, Shearman was had ever Written to you ou ths sudjecty A. Yes. disobliging about documents in this case, and both Beach and Falierton mi! jiy bounced him, Q. Was uot my request or suggestion to you on t eet confined entirely to privat 3 Of ster hedpie woe written by Guin? Ac Noe Pets OF | Mrs, Bradshaw was eX::nined by Mr. Fullerton Q. You said in answer to counsel yesteraay, Mr | 1h. eee Y 160 area 9 ce wulton, that you were not in sy th th Mrs. | 3 en ol ecled with Py ci Woo ‘soduments ne mArriag about twenty-two years; | am connected with the punday scuool; kuow Taeodore Tilton and his wi ; Woodnull’s senuments shank soe marriage rela. | | ton: do you mean that you did not agree on tuat , | Subject? As T dow think ‘agree with heron | HWenty years; our famides exchanged visits; know pina chee | tie'tot that. ‘Willans 'P: Wark srecrred cuneuct bre ; ? A. the fact that William F, West preierred chara: vee Wily Ou. atekAItOra hae SOSENIe me ere against Theodore Tilton for having siandered Henry Ward Beecher; was usked to be a witness; recognize the charges as shown’ me; Dave a Copy 1 the letter I sent Mr, Beecher. ‘The Judge—Have it marked for identification at | Q. Oo the subject of the marriage relation ?. A. | I beheve in fideuty to your wie, and your wile's | fidehty to you; ou are not laithiul to your wile, then 1 tuluk you do wrong und think you ought to ve punished’ tor it severely; if your wie isnot Present. Jaithtul to you she ought to be punisned severely; | Mr, Evarts.—Subject to our jurther answer, tlt Is #5 Near as Loan get at it Mr. Fullercon—Gentiemen, you established the Q. What is your belief @ the subject of divorce? | preceaent; these things come Lome to roost very A. Ob the sudject vl divorce t Olten, | (Laugarer.) Q Yes. A. [have not arrived at a conclusion Mr, Evaris—-There 18 po roost about it. (Re- on that sudject, the laws are so Various in tae ail- | Dewed laughter.) You want us to look fura paper jereut States and #o much is tobe said on that , {nd We have a perfect right to say no until we get subject. (laugater.) the original. «q. Have you read the Golden Age on that sanians? ete oe is the difficulty we have now " k read the Golden shat au er. rot ea Peat MNO NE ie ait. Evarts—It ia a perfectly regular transaction. Mr, Shearman—l may say that I only did that out of courtesy to tue gentlemen on ye other side and jor the purpose of finding the paper; the fact ts that the description of it was #o Vague that 1 cannet find tt at all. it; it is dated Oc- Nr. Fullertoa—We must ha’ tober 4, 1873, Mr. Shearm: Precisely, and their notice does not cover any such letter; it shows how a little Courtesy ob the pact of the counsel might facilitate matters. Mr, Beach—We fear the Greeks bearing pitts, Mr. Fullerton—l! the notice ts insudiclent we wil remedy that. « Mr. Shearman—We never had the notice before ol any such letter, Mr. Fullerton-—Well, sit, I cannot do anything further with the witness without tuls letter, Mr. Beach—Yea, we can reier to the copy. Judge Netlson—It will save time if you use to the copy. Mr. Fuilerton now shown you Q, Do you agree in sentiment on that subject * A, don’t exactly know what bis sentiments ant 1 have not arrived at a conclusion in that regar et ‘Yue subject of marriage and divorce was pur- | sned furtaer, but notuing was afforacd by we witness to show that either Mr. Titon or pimseif \ were of the iree love sceool, the Judze ruling all | the time that tae matver was not p.oper ip a re- | | cross examination. | TRACY BADLY HiT. | | Mr, Tracy (tO witness)—Have you ever talked | witn gentlemen on tue subject of iree love or the | marriage relation or social freedom? A. I talked with you, Mr. ‘tracy, auout it, e air. | (Laughter) | | @ Did you ever talk to Mr, Armour or Stephen | K. Lane ov the suvject, m whita you expiessed | your ocliei im the doctrine of iree love, as puviicly understood ¢ air, Fulierton—I object. Judge Neiisou—uled out for the same reason, Mr. Lvarts—He Nas stated tis views. ‘The Judge—iie Was stated that he did mot sym- | patuize with dlrs, Woodhull’s view. Mr. Evarts—We otier to inquire of him concern. | ing What iis Sentiments are on the Bubject oO iree | love. | dJudve Netlson—Ruled out, | Q. You have stated ou your redirect examina- | tion, Mr, Moulton, souething about the number of peopie whe conversed with you vu the sugject of Une Woodiull scanvat ana “che publication, and | you say there were filtcen or twenty a day. Wor | how many days du you think that contipued? A. } J don't kuow; L snouid think, perbaps, @ lortoight, | or may be so. } REDIRECT BY MR, FULLERTON, Q. Your attentivo nis vbeeu calied to cergain | conversations between yoursell and Mr. Tracy, / a] never knew of aly serious trouvle until with re to tuis matter. You have beeu asked 4 é a Woether you old not say certain things, Now, I | Witt tnres or jour yoars—tiree years, perhaps. | ask you What you did say to Mr. Tracy on those occasions? Ubjected to by Mr. Tracy. | Mr, Tracy—! have inquired of no interview that they dia not go into. i Mr. Fulierton—It is strictly within Your Honor’s | ruiimg of yesterday, on @ similar objection. Or | (to witness)—Look at the paper (nppee shown] and say whether it 13 4 reply of Mr. her to the letter which you sent to him, Yea, sir. Q. Now, Mrs, Brauspaw, you have told us that you were intimate in Mr, Tilteu’s family, 1 wisa to ask you of the degree of uflection which existed | in that family between the husoand and wile, a3 | mantiested im their daily intercourse tn your presesce Y A. I always considered thuem an ordi- marily nappy iamily. | Q. Aud that judgment was based on observation while you were there, was it? A, Yes, sir, Q. What was the general character and dispost- tow of Mrs. Tilton ta her jamily? A. Most uel cate und refined and sweet minded tn every Way; | | mone couid Know ber and not love ver. Q And up to what tine was tuls degree of affec- tion maniested in this family you have spoken o1? afew words with ¥ the statcment which I, in good aith, couseniod before the church comnuties in your benall and Ett beth’s. for Tfei that iy imdimacy with ber and my love | tor her and you gave hic @ right to speak 1a her vindica ton. I could noi and would not believe that you had been otherwise than ba: calummiatea, ‘Now Mr, and Myy. jtton came and warned me not to do it, it I valued your welfare, and refer me to you tor advice inthe matter, Ishuil "be governed eutirely by ake z- | coare, we ure to presume that they ore luying | | the foundation for au attempted contradictioa; | “ | and while the witness denies having said certa | things, we have arignt to prove thut be said ce: | tain other thiugs. never ade any confessions to me. God knows that: 1 do not seck an in.erview from any motives of morbid curiosity: the subject is too paintul tr taat Believe me you have no sincerer triend than M. A. BRADSHAW. Lallid wo Horel iniiy. aad be said he withheld taese papers at my request. Now, | asked iim simply i the | only papers | uskea him to withhold or requested | | him to withhold were not cerctaim defimitve papers { | which Lnamed. That is tue only 1aquiry, | Lue Judwe—!o that he said *no.)? } Mr. Tracy—To taat he said “no,” Viease do not send a verbal auswer by Mr. towhom I intrast this note, because I don't wis! | trude at your house. Of cours t don’t wish to sce you Mr, Fuilertou—I wisn to know the balance of the | i you preter otnerwise, but send me a line iu reply if { conversaiion. you don’t come, that I may know what to do, tor Lcun- Mr, Prac et us take one conversation at a | not take the word of any tine and Know what we are askin, ‘i th Mr, Fullerton—You are asking “bout notning, | Mt wellatigo- Sar een, ee | Lan talking aud will get at it in my Own way. (Con tldenti Octomxs 7, 1873. | (Laughter) My Buen Faixxv—I thank you for your cordial ana Ange ing Not#, and accept your expressions ot con- her person in (his mart cr. Mr. rracy—I made no remark to the counsel to 1 sym a fenoe und affection, and £ need not say to you liow sin- | cat i or irom gent a Judge Netigon—It is an inquiry eB Fo What Oc | Ciruiy | reciprocate thom. In regurd to whe maior ot | wuieh you speck. let me say frankly that {think you ; curred at the hotel. Mr. ‘Tracy—Your Honor will note ourexception — wiiluo the greatest good to ali parties eancerned by | suing the course T have done trom the tirst-—namely | to the aduiission of that interview, Witness (coutinuimz)—I said to General Butler | fusing to allow the public to meddle with dumesue ‘and | at Uhatinterview:—“I nave brougne alr. Tracy to | privute amuirs, It is impossible ever to brinw domesiic { you to determine with regard to this statement | afia compitcate’ by elements which cannot she doe e stated of understood, and without wiueh ail T. Tracy says be does not Want me to Make this ant explanations wil be barren, to the public without | statement. J wani to do exactly what if bonora- doing a great deal more nurm than good. To te let bie tn the premises, and I wish thar you aud Mr. | absoluiely love is the sure ana swe reeds, | Tracy would talk = ae. mene? oP eyes oe: aod in tals Gare whatever, tmouttigs hei ar hays Versation about it, and Mr, Tracy suid to General | been amicabty adjusied by those most dceply concerned. Butier, 7 my presence, that he Y chougut that the | [know very weli that the :mpatse of affection ieais a rs . " ci F generous nature to Wish to tly toa triead’s saccor, and T letters and documents of Mr. Beecher ougit not, Be vou! spare yourseit any pains to help to be produced in my statement; thats the suo | Toe imho pecaiyous bur HAPPY the beat kelp you can stance uf tae conversation, as 1 remember it, at ive is tocontinus to love and trust those whoni y. that time; whea Mr. Tracy went away I saw ave always trusted, and to refuse to have any hand it jeneral Butler, an id that Mr. Iracy’s iaew | giving mischievous publicity to pi affairs, even by G 1 Butler, and d that Mr. 1 9 ivi isch: bitcity te a Tai b; was. | aliowing them to be discussed in your presence. With | "Mr. Putierton—You need not state what General | Micere afection, old and hew I remain yours. very | Butler sald then, but go on to tne Oster occasion ee acre Beapsuaw, apace’ eas Mr. Shearman cross-examined witness—Can’t alr, Tracy—What was that? nit ° | % ~ SBF nat occasion, at Mr, Moulton’s Tecollect when the West charges were read to me; | nonaaiian tiacrekaniees rene fein crus | ever SAW any UnLAppiuess in tue ‘iton tanniy Ou that oceasion that the lorm vf the statement | Ballater tue Wooduull publication; Ars. Tuiton | wastinally agreed tpon. | was @ refined womin and a devoted wile av , Mother; Mrs. Tilton irequentty svoke to me of | Mr. Pracy—li Your tiouor will permit me, the | s1- “viton's caange of religious Views: {t made her , Question stands in itis way Witness had testi- - ms fed on his virect examination that it was deter- | Titon rogesher seldom saw Mr, Beecuer aud Mrs. mined at he Fira Avenue Hovel, at my request, | ‘Yhere was no re-cross-examination, and the wit- tat his statement suowd be wituneld, On bis j Se-2xar . | Dess was handed by Mr. Moulton and retired trom cross--Xainination he tts testified that was ae- | Dee Mad atone oiiock. termined at the con-uitacion at bis own bouse, at wWaich | Was uot present, the ensuing day. Then [ | AFTER RECESS, asked lita the question Waether he bas any knowl- | (he first thing Shearman said after recess was edge (bat 1 knew prior to bts appearance ot Storrs’ house belore tle committee on that day What his statement Was to be, und he says he has no such recollection, Mr. Moulton—I didn’t know what the final de- teruination was to be ut that time, Mr, Beach—the Wituess bas corrected that mis- fetter to Mr. Beecher. Shearman took a fairly leading part in all that part of the afternoon’s testimony referring to Piymouth church, of which he 18 clerk. Loborpicnie sma Seater hierar Ronni | Beach’s style is very barrister-like. His collar is | Witudss the answer tuat Mv. Vracy did not know | Byronte and the black scart is looped at the throat | the scaremeut of Moulioa al oo the me ze | by agold ring. He wears a chain of mai! of gold, appeared betore the committee, { believe that ‘ | That was a mistaken answer on the part or the | W'th @ large gold locket pendent. his garments Witness, aud jor the purpose of reireshing hig | @Fe Ol the most scrupulously clean cloth and his | recoliection and to tievine him to co pbs linen is faultless. Equally clean is his behavior in answer, we, in our redirec ¢xaminauoa, call bis | a a:tention to the 1uterview between himund Tracy, | COUT He seldom converses at ali, ts considerate | in which Tracy was iniormed of the very tact | Of the other counsel and breaks into the argument | which Of cross-examination of the witness bis | at occasiouai periods jike a Mmpia torrent, where clear. Mr. Tracy—Weil, but this mrerview, according | 10 tue question, put it aiter his appearance before or Aiteen years, but 1s very well preserved, and the committee. “Your Honor wili note ay excep- | | vom. y decidediy the most formal and @read{ul of coun- Witness —I saw Mr. ‘Tracy In the back parlor, sir, betore { made @ report to the committee, and I told him that 1 had in my statement hog 8 sented the documents quoted by fneodore Tilton in his statement. | Q What re did he make to that? Mr. Iracy—I object to it, Your Houor, ‘The Judge—That cover~ the questicn, sir, | Mr. Evarts is looking thinver, and has the look of one overworked. He is, however, in high feather on account of ex-President Jounson’s } @lection to the Sevate, and sald yesterday that | Johnson's provity, legality, patriotism and bold- | der. | mau In the country would that he had been uvable to find Mrs, Bradshaw's | He 1s the most aged of the lawyers by ten | presence in that regard? A. ‘the only action tn chat regard in Mr. Beecher’s pres:nce was at a subsequent meet. ing woea Mr, Beecher made nis report; he re- ported to the committee, I think, in writing, that he had seen Mr, ‘Hiton; that he was in a very critival position; Lam not repeating Mr. Beeeher's language, only giving the suostance of it; Mr. | Beecher reporied that Mr, Tilton at Chat time was | in a very crtue be had many | troubles, pecat | been surrounded by bad Infdueaces; | be vetter to leave Mr. Tiiton to tne lafluences of his friends, and that it would be best foc the com- mittee to take no action in settling Mr, ‘Tiitou's re- | lations to the caurch; vo action was taken, Q Was any action alter thac tken by the through its proper officers, i regard to ; Mr. filtony A, It Was taken in Noveinver, 1872, aiter the pubucation of the Woodhull scandal, Q What was doue in reference to thas in con- | nection with Mr. Beecher? A, Mr, Beecher seat a request, the assistant pastor, Mr, Hatliday, #0 stated; [had a conversation a'terward with Mr, Beecher, in consequence of tuis communication from Mr. Haiuday; Mr. Halliday stated to the deacons of tue church—— Objected to, Q. What did you say to Mr. Beecher In regard to what Mr, Halliday had communicated to the com- mittee? A, I calledon Mr, Beecher at bis house, I think it was in tne early pars o1 November, and imiormed him that he had been appointed by THE EXAMINING COMMITTEE to go and conler witu Mr. ‘Tilton in regard to his position in retalion to the Woodhull scandal. I told bin that the Committee was appoluted upon | my motion; Mr, Beecher told me twat he though it would be better to meet this who.e affair of the | scandal with silence; 9 this I replied that L | thought this would be a mistaken policy; that the } church was suffering 3 greaé deal irom this scan- dal, and that the only way was to sirike tt down und utterly destroy it; I told him that Mr. Tilton Wasa meihber of the churen; that he (Tilton) was named by Mrs, Woodhull as authority for the scandal; 1 sdid to Mr. Beecher that Mr, ‘liltow had been cat'ied fo explain with ragard to this scgndal; Mr. Beecher replied with Bome force to wut I said; he said that he was then very busy and @hat he woulv meet the committee iu two or three weeks; I repiied to that that tne Caurch was SUFFERING MUCH FROM THE SCANDAL, and that tre committee ought to hold its meetings at once in reference to the scandal; this conversa- tion took place in Mr. Beecuer’s study; then we went inio the parlor, Where Mr, Beecuer resuzned e couversution by saying that this whole story Tested On the assertion of two W 5. When Mr, West used the bad word which Mr. Peecher had employed, saying that the whole Woodnull scandal rested on the testimony of two women of bad reputation, that clergyman, wear: « = jor several days, Was looking up to the top of one of the tall windows, He kept that position, His wife by his side wore a white knit cap or com- forter round her head; sligit crystal ear drops were in her ears; his paim rested upon her shou:- Next to ber sat Edward Beecher, resembling & trifle Mr. Peter Cooper, and with @ be- reaved appearance, because be had no umbrella. An umbreila move than an allbi wouid seem fit ting for Edward, The expression of Mr. Beecher is that of wounded resignation, & sense of jorsworn enemies closing in on him, @ touch of belligerency under @ burden | of pain, Witness went on to say that if he (ar. Beecher) snoula pay auy attention to it that uo prominent be saie irom their attuck; bat he said that if any person of responsibility would make such attack upon lim thac 1 would see now quickiy he would reply to it; 1 told him it seemed to me that Mr. Tilton was a responsible person; that ne Was bamed ag the Butior, the originator of the scuudal; that 1 thought it was his duty to deny the assertion made by Mrs. Woodhull; ne did not { think that the church should take tie matter up, | and that if he did not expiaiu his position satisiace torily that he snoula be dismissed iroin the churca, | aud as a reault of the conversation Mr. Beecuer named a day when be would meet with the com- mittee at bis house some two weeks alter that tune. Q. Did he meet with the committee ? A. He did Meet With the committee; the committee met at his house during the latter part of November or December of 1872. Q What occurred at the miootagt A. Mr. Beechef told tue committee that he had seen Tne- odore in regard to tlits matter; that Iheodore had expressed To him great grief and sorrow at the publication of Mrs. Woodhull, and offered to do anything 1a his power to neutraiize tue effect of it; he spoke of the iriendship which existed be- | tween Mr, Tilton and nimseil; he said thas he did | not think Mr. Tilton bad ever done anything in- fentionaliy to injure him; that he thougnt Mr. | Tuton would in @ short tine, belore the ist of January, puolsh in the Golden Age ® card, and in which he would deny the Woodhull story, und he advised that the committee should ‘take no action; that toey should await the ppeation Of tbe card; ; tne comunittee decided domtlis, that is, to rece ommend such action to the examining commit- | tee, und also recommended at tie sume time taat this subject suouid continue in order tuatil Mr, | falcon did not publisi suck a card tuat he mignt | be Watted upon by the commitvee: such a card, to ny Knowledge, Was Ot pudlisned; no acuon | was taken, to my knowledge, by te coumittee iol | lowing the non-publicauou of tue card; tue next | ancerview I nad witu Mr. Beecher in regard to tue | matter, as 1 remewber, was ou the nigot I {laid the charges beiore the eXamiming com- mittee; 1 made charges against Theodore ‘Hilton ' before the examining committee on the evening of the 27th of June, 1873; tue charges Were laid belore the committee in writing; they were retained by tue committee lor atime, but they were returned to me to be amended; | did amend them, and, us amended, they were laid we the committee On tue & j ingorduly 1, Isis (Mr. Fullerton cailed on tie otner side for this paper) ; | Wrote to Mr, Beecher | oa the 2otn of June, L think; 1 was nothere when | tue letter Was read In evidence (witness identifies | the letter he wrote to Air, Iseecner); 1 suw air. | Beecher on Friday evening, June 27, ut Plymouth church; tue exaimiuing committee had just eit tue lecture room im order to receive my cuurges; I speak of that because the con- | versation reierred to it, and Mr, Beecher came loward me and toid me he lad received my letter, that he was giad (o hear irom me, and he thougut 1 wag taking the right course, but he said, “this 1s ot # good tinie to bring tis matteryvelore the chureh; muny of the members of the buurch are going into te country soon, and 1t would be bee ter to postpuve the matter, aud i you will put it | off until tail L Will then unite with you in having a tnorough invesugation,” L told Mr. Beecaer that I was Gpposed tu any delay in tie matter, that L thought action should be taken at once; that the Scandal was doing great damage to the churcn, aud that 1 woud proceed im the matter at once | and use every elfort in my power vo bring this | matter to an issue with Mr, ‘Tiliou; Mr. | Beecher said wv me, “if you do that, sir, you will ) act Contrary to my wisues.”” Our conversaty Was interrupted ai that timo by Captain Cuarl Duncan coming tv the door and saying that the Examining Committee desired to see us; Captain | Duacan addressed Mr. beecher and wyseli; Mr, Beecuer said, “io se@ whom? Captain Duncan suid, “Yourseli and brother West;” Mr. Beecaer repli “1 have nothing to say to the committee ;’? } Captain Duncan said, “Brotaer West has a matoer to lay belore the committee;” Mr, Beecher then turned to me aud said, “Brotuer West knows very weil What my wisies im tits matter are.’ f told | Mr. Beecaer | was sorry to act contrary vo his Wishes, but I was compelled to do it from a sense ing thie very red, almost crimson face he nad bad | | the course of the testimony. Mr. Fullertou—His repiy might tudicate that Bi understooa he knew. I believe that is all, { ur. fracy—!hat was in the committee 1oom, Mr. | Moulton? A. Yes, sir, | Tae words given by witness as to what occurred between Tracy aud Woo irull were ordered oy Court to be stricken out, and this closed the @x- | @inination of Moulton. Frank Moulion wiped bis forehead, drew a long breath and stepped ouvol the witness chair, in which he has been seated altogether forty hours, or four hours a day for ten days and twanty ses- — sions of the Court. He was not at ali worn oat | except with private feelings since his mother’s | death, He will probably appear and reappear tn RS, BRADSHAW ON THE STAND, The third witness waa caliea yesierday—the first | having been Augustus Maverick, to prove the | marriage; the second Mouiton, to prove the adul- | tery—in the person of @ Mrs. Martia A, Brad. | shaw, often rejerred to in newspaper reports and | statements 18 One of the persons to whom Tilton | | had avowed his wiie's infideuty, No effort was | made to prove this, and it was not prob- | ably admissible, but it came in as @! part of aietter from her to Mr. Beecher, @ chari- | table, sweet toothed letter, in the words:—"Must | luccept Theodure’s aw/ui story jor truth *” = This | letter, wiitten in the light of Mrs, Bradshaw's | voluntary desire to appear before the Church | Committee and exonerate her pastor, presented | the fact that Mrs, Tilton a9 well as Mr. Tilton aa: vised her Dot to do 80, @ valued Mr. Beecher’s | welfare, aud Mr. Beechei’s auswer is a mild re- bage to her for desiring tospeak in any manper oo | the subject or even to discuss it or hear it dis- | cussed, | | Mrs. Bradshaw testified that, outside o: this evi- cence, Mrs, Tilton’s home, in her long knowledge, bad been “an ordinarily happy one," marred, uot | tue period of the events of the scanda’, oaly by the hosband'’s growing leterodoxy, She guvé, be- sides, @ protty picture of Mré. Tuton im wappier — Gaye:—Most delicate aud refined and sweet | minded in every way; cone could know her and not love Ler” This 1s an answer to critics and | writers WhO do hot think Mrs, Tilton pretty enoagh to do aay damage in life, | Mrs. Gradgnaw is 4 middie-e,ed indy, rather | plain, of the Old fasniones, beigaboriy, devout sort, With hair o littie chemging, Oo particular | ness were badly requ red in the public counsels, Ag the ex-President’s defender and Attorney General, Evarts has aiways preserved friendship for bim, It was stated that # copy of the letter of Mrs. Bradshaw to Mr. Beecher had been use in evi- dence in relation to the West coarges, but thas the original Would be searched for and put in. TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM F. WEST. The next witness called by plaintif’s counsel was William F. West. THE WITNESS. William F. West wasa thin, youngish person, & cashier ina banking house. He had a drawling, | nasal voice sud a highly morai manner, Asa prominent Piymouth partisan, he is a good type of | the folks of that church, Neatiy dressed, with a euder ring on bia Qngev and very clean aad Con- | necticut-looking, Mr, Weat had respectable chup | whiske! @ vague ond shadowy mustache, and | more-features tuan cranium. A certain kindly effemibacy was expressed by bis eye, which, tn- stead of looking out boldly, like the witness re- cently departed, looked up and down, and the lashes folded over tt as if seeking to catcn Memory on the fy. Docility abounded in this clean young man, His evidence bore the appea ance of sincerity. it was fe who made t charges against Tilton which led to the notabie encounter between the pastor and bis errant dis ciple, of duty¢ 1 then followed Captain Duncan to the trustees’ room; when Mr. Beecaer made that last reply to me his tone was $ ANGRY AND THER RARRNING 5 J went upstatrs to the commit but Mr. Beecher @id not; 1 iaid the charges bi tre committee 5 the papers now produced contain the amended charges; | have in my pocket the charges taat were laid beiore the committee on the evening in question. (Witness produces tne charges.) At the request of Mr. Fulicrton witness envircied in Ted pencil that part of the charges that was read, A SLEEPY PAIR, As Mr. Fullerton proceeded to read the West charges, thus reviving in a civil court the old formula of a deiunct aud tneficent court ecciesi- astical, Edward Beecher was fast asleep, Mrs, Beecher was very sicepy, and Mr, Beecher looked on automatically, Mr. Tracy was not prominent in court, Shearman interposed, as the clerk oO} Piymouth church, to correct some ana- chronism. Tilton, deprived of Moulton’s company, lovked tired and sieepy. As the evidence went on 1t appeared to be manifest that Afr, West had not been pleased with Mr, Beecher's way of avoiding his charges and had come to be a meek neutral in @ conflict tov mysterious tor his ken. paper contained charges against another person; 1 toid Mr, Beecher that it wus my lateauon to ung whe charges ceiove tne committee, and | reporte Wo iim the substunce Of Lhe cuarges, MK. WEST'S CHARGES, Mr. Pullerton offered the paper im evidence and read Lt, as lollows:— WESI'A HISTORY, The witness went on to say:—I live at No, 175 Madison street, in this city; Lam acasnierin o | eneng house in New Yor have been a mem- ver of Plymouth church for some years, and am @ member o1 It wt the | reieur time; I have been | x Buooxiys, Jan. 27. Examinixa Committee or Piruoutu Ounce, BROOKLYN! an oMcer of the church or a few years; I was 4 DEAw WAKTN REN —Co led a member of the KXaminlug Committee {rom 1970 | member ol this churcany heres lay borers: you the tol by lay belore you the tol- ‘iiton, @ member of this church, with Raving, at various tun d to different PEFsONS. ACCUed Lhe pastor of this church with conduct Gerogacory ‘vo Gis Cliristiau integrity and injarious ww the reputation of bis church. 1 request that theolore Tilton ve suuioned to appear belore this committee, And, 1h cage of tuilure on tile part to retract such accu: gations oF to prove them (o be true oF show cause why he on? hat be ve expelied trom memvership in this muren. Vo 1873, when 1 ceased LO be a member. Q Iwant to Cali your attention to woat oc. curred ater the publication o} THE WOODHULL 8C4; Was any action taken in regardvo that matter by the cuurch, 4nd ii 80, state whatit was? Tue question was objected to and witharawn, Q. What occurred between you and Mr. Beecher, Mf woyctning, in regard to that scandal? A. Mr, Jowing charges and requests Funt—1 oti theodore DAL. Beecher asked to Ve Appullited as @ committee of 2 — v oue to comer with Mr. Tuitou in regard to the | xo Pav = 1 Scie ar ey evior, Hate + . ‘ v ae, Broo! ns ——— Fulton, Q. What action was taken in regard to it? A. | D. D. and An aradsliaws No. 9 Henry street, Tke Exqmining Committee appointed Mr. Beecher | ¥rookiyn. a8 such committe Q ase @ny instractions given to the commit. bf aiter ri appointment? If ao, what were they? e Witness—The charges were afterward amended. The committe id w, ase ed sa Tully’ os posasove ‘at ie ad tie | he oh * ab they wi essed as 10 e Som mittee, those wore aocevted Ab Shas Witness went on to say:—The remainder of the | time, ond a third specification was added and ae. Elikapd (Paper handed to witness.) nar iste third specification, vutit was not pu in at the time; Mr. Beecher had the same knowledge of these amenied charzes, without the third spocifi- cation, that lic had the evening be‘ore; | toid Mr. Beectier the substance of the Charges, Without the third specticatton, Mr. Falierton odered the paper in ‘The Judge aiiowed tf, and Mr. By, WEST'S SVEC Mr. Fullerton then read the specifications, as | follows :— vider : Bnooktyx, July 1, 187 To rue Examixina Comurres ov Pursovra Cay Buooxryn, ». Y, n Bi mae past been of the good ch, ant, us T ne ehuse, win Ut id to the injury of the our pasior and our church a understood tat this wi nit wih wi members of our ow! practices of ihe worst poss! our pastor. Now to the end done to all ‘cones inay be speeaily: which this seand: Sto cast against it. 1, au of the churen, request that you tinmediately institute & neat invesiigaticn as to the followiug e8 and specifications: 1 charge ‘Theocore Tilton, @ member of this charch, with having circulated and promoted scandals derox tery to the Chrisuan integrity ot our pastor und luju- rious to Lie reputation ol this chureh, S'KCIPICATIONS. irt—In an interview between ‘Theodore Tilton Rey. if. 1 1. Taylor, 2, Witt the uitice of the Isr e iitton ‘al ie character against that justice imav ve ixion 5 stated that the Rev. yen or eight) of his on being ‘y sun ‘aylor he wae would make it in red. L. &. SAYLON, D. D., No. st, New York city. Second—In a conversation With Mr. Andrew Bradsuaw, At his residence, m tae latter part of November, i8/3, ‘theodore Filton requested Mr, to Fepout certain siateme: him by Mr. Tilt accusitions which Meccher: but that Beecher’s accor r, Beecher was a bia Not a sate perso: wed to visit the fm Jus OF church; that it this scandal were ever cleared up h (Tilton) would be the, only one of the thiee inyoved who would be unhurt by it; and that he was silently sut- fering tor Mr, Beecher's sake, yetithess—Audrew Bradshaw, No, 45 Henry stroot, New ork. 1 make this charge upon no feel & sense of duty as a inewber ot the sire and hope repuked by. Dr. jd said that he he (le E. L. Mr, Beecher's presence | (Witness) a Re Bradshaw ni on | omaha man, ¢ of fil will, but from uceh, with ihe de- se, and that the stain now i on our church may be remoy Yours fraternally, WILLIAM F, West, Witness—The charges were brougit be'ore the committee by me; Mr. Beecher Was not present; i cannot say that the caarges ever came to Air. Beecher’s Knowledge trom any conversation | had with him. (ixhibit 29 was suown to wit- ness.) He said this was @ letter by Mr, Talmage clerk Of the church, embracing the third specifica. ton in tae charges. Q. Did tois third specification iorm any part of ON, charges fnaliy submitted to the committee ? . Yes. Q. When were these amended charges placed belore the committee a8 near as you can tell? A, 1cau refer to the copy | have of tuem, Q. Reter to any memorandum you have? A. It was Septemoer 2, 1873. Q. State who composed that committee? A. The pastor and the ass:staut pastor ot tae church, the | deacons and the members of the commitiee, Q. Was any action taken by the committee in regard to these cuarges, so far as you Know? A. ‘They passed a resolution that tne charges be for- warded to Mr, Tilton and adjourned sine die, Q. What resolution was passed by the committee in reierence to tue charges you laid beiore them? Objected to, Q. Whut action did the committee take wnen you presented the amended specifications ¢ Ob ected 10. The Juage—Was Mr. Beecher present ? Witness—No. . Mr, Fullerton—That does not preclude me from giving the evidence. fi ‘The Judze—It does not appear that Mr. Beeoher knew the resolution was adopted by tne commite tee, You can reserve that point for the preseut. Q. Were those charges ever tried betore the committee f e Onieneea to. » NO. Q. Do you know that anything was done In ree gard to them? Objected to, Q. Were copies of these charges served on Mre Tilton to yoar knowledge? A. | heard they wera served oD Lim, but | Was not present at the times Idid not have any conversation wita Mr. Beecher ubout these charges aiterwards; 1 recollect ao occurrence in #iymouth churca oa Octover 31, 1878, Whea Mr. ‘Tilton uddressed the committee; it would be dificult for me to state ull that oo curred, it was so long; Mr. Tilton was there, Mr. Fullerton read trom the minutes of the chureb, at their meeting on October 31, 1873, to the effect that charges naving been preferred before the committee against Theodore ‘ifiton, and a committee having been appointea to wait on said Tilton im regard to the charges, Titouw lade answer that for ,our years he Lad not passed the threshold of Plymouth churca; that he did not hold membership in the church, and, there- sore, Was not amenavie to its laws; taat the cuarges were put inte his hands to @uswer; ule answer Was that it was about four years since he had resigned ail connection with the church, and, thereture, he declined to receive (he coarges ad- dressed to him; the committee then decided upoa recommending that by reason oi Tilton’s pros jonged absence his name be dropped irom the charch; a2 amendment proposed for THE EXCOMMUNICATION of Mr. Tilton was lost. jow, What took place at that time? A. That Was tie occasion When the resviution was pressed. Q. Now let me call your recollection, your atten- tion to the meeting and to the scene that took piace when Theodore Tilton uddressed that body; What did oe say? A. Mr. filton asked permission to speak at the meeting, and the Moderator said that Mr, Tilton did not need to ask permission to address the meeting as he was @ member of the Charen, aud therefore had perfect right to speak; Mr, Tilton then arose and said, in substauce, us near a3 I can remeniver, that a report had been spread that he had slandered the pastor of tie cuurcn; that be bad come there tu say In Mr. Beecher’s presence, and the presence of his iriends, tha’, IF HE HAD SLANDERED HIM, he was there to answer to the man wuom he had siangered, and that i, Beecner had anght to | Say against him to say Mathere now; Or words to that elect. Q. Wuat other remarks did headd? A. I don’t remember that he said anytoing else. 4. Did any o.uer remarks jolluow t A. Remarks were made, | think, by Mr. Beecher aad also by otner members of the churca. Q. What did Mr. Beecher reply to this proposi- | tlon of Mir. Tilton?’ A. He said he had no charges to make against nim, Q. Was that the reply he made? A, That was the reply as near as | can remember It. Father Keynolds, a very notable looking Metho- dist preacher, with dark eyes in a pale head, and venerable white hair, came in during the after noon and sat benind Mr. Beecher. West's examination caused Mr, Beechor, toward its close, ‘considerable excitement, He moved forward to Tracyand Shearman and talked eara- estly with them. Behind Shearman sat one of the handsome usaers of Plymouth D. W. ‘Tallmadge, and he refreshed Mr, Suearman’s memory. Shearman, as the churca clerk, Stood upand put the questioas, gesturing only with his forearm. The Piymouth records, as produced, were in books o/ neariy the size of & pulpit table, elaborately bound. ‘The witness West demurred somewhat to Mr. Shearman answering questions jor him. The latter's clirpy, snapping, hopping manner and gold spectacies suggested Tennyson's “Blackbird! — What, that gold dagger of ins beak Through all the summer chattering. Shearman got up beside the witness and put questions to him at his knee. When he handed Dim the little pampniet copy of the “Life of Woou- hull the witness shrunk back and said he had never read !t. Since the repulse of Mrs, Potipnhar by Joseph there was no more touching Incident, Q. Did you see Mrs. Bradsnaw with reierence to this meeting t Ovjected to by Mr, Evarta, and the question wag then put by Mr. Puliertou—"Did you suow ner the charges of the committee” ‘Lnis torm of ques ion Was also ovjected tu by Mr. Evarts, a8 being exciuded Uuder the raung ol iue Cource Wita reier ence LO Lie inadinissioliity of evidence as t2 Wuat transpired with reierence to the third person, Woon (ue latter is NOt # party to Une case. Judge Netison said that the naxed fact, “Did you stow hier the cuarge,”’ could be answered by the witness. Witness—I showed her the third specification of Uhe charge, | velieve, Q When was that done, Mr. West? A. I think it Was ettier in the month oi July or August, 1973, Mr, Fullerton—Tuuw ia wil of our side wich Mr est, Mr. Shearman then came forward to cross-ex- alnine the witness and sal Mr, West, with te> gard to Mr. Beecher, don’t you remember Mr. Beecher said that all the diMiculties between him end M! ton were buried? A. Yes, r my Q. Did Mr, Tuton make any reply to Mr. Beecher When hospoket A. No, sir. Q, He was present at the time ho was speaking? A. Yes, i @ to the time of which you speak of the appointment of Mr, Beecner as uM mittee to the Examining Commities; was he not un actual Comittee appointed to see Mr. Tiiton with regard to the story? A, {f lL remember right he Was uppuluted @ coinmittee; [| remember that ater the report Was drawn up he did make o re- port to the Lxamining Committee, Q, Now say with certainty whetner Mr. Beecher | made areyort to the committee atauy A. f am certain; 1 Was present in tue room at the ume myseif aod heard him make the report, %. Was not this secoud report @ statement at second baud, to come irom Mr, Beecher? A. 1 tipk not. Q. Now, when was this report made by Mr, ner Which you describe fF [twas made ia toi November or December, 4 Aye morandum at the time und depended | eutirely oo my memory; my memory woud ve re | fresned by looking ut the records of the meeting, Mr. Shearman hore produced the minutes of the Piymoutd church Board oj Doacons, aud showed it