The New York Herald Newspaper, August 29, 1874, Page 5

THE POLITICAL POSIT! Views of Prominent Men on the Question of the Day. THE DEMOCRACY TO THE FRONT Mayor Havemeyer Opposes the Third Term. State Senator Johnson Unfavor- able to Tilden. The Third Term Generally Denounced. ‘The interviews given below indicate the opinions 1 some of the leading men on both stdes of the coming political confict. The burden of the con- | troversy is evidentiy the question of candidate for the Governorship, It will be seen that all the prominent men interviewed take the HERALD view—namely, that the question of the candidacy for the Governorship of New York State is the pivot on which the struggle turns. It is evident that the concession 1s general that the proper selec- | tion of a suitable man for thie high office will | Overcome the diMicuities, so varied and so com- plex, that are now apparently inextricably inter- Woven in both national and State politics. The encouraging feature of these interviews is the ob- vious fact that all the men interviewed are thor- oughly in earnest and animated by the commenda- ble motive of putting away from their considera. | tion all mere political partisanship, and opposed to drawing a hard party line that shall sacrifice the public good ior the welfare merely of a political clique. THE DEMOCRATIC VIEW. A representative of the HERALD yesterday called ‘upon a large number of the most prominent demo- crats, who are acknowledged to be tne leaders of the party in this city, in order to obtain their views | Upon the present aspect of the political outlook and further to ascertain their opinion in regard to the possible and probable results of the coming | fall elections, more especially in 80 far as they are likely to influence tne Presidential cam- paign. It was found, however, that a large majority of those who are the acknowl- edged authorities in the democratic party, so far as New York is concerned, were inaccessible by reason of their absence from the city. It will, nev- ertheless, be seen by a perusal of the opinions given below, and which may be reasonably taken to be the exponents of the general feeling among the democracy in this section that it is the Prevailing belief that the republicans are bound two guffer a signal defeat not only in the city but also in the State. Also that the events and pecu- tar condition of affairs which existed at the time Of the last gubernatorial election—when the re- publican party secured their majority—have no longer any infuence. In fact, it appears to be among democrats the opinion that the people of both city and State are now determined to return to the ranks o', and vote strictly with, their own arty, and that the lines which mark democracy republicanism will be more strongly defined this fall than has heretotore been tne case. and inasmuch as it was by the vote of certain sections ofthe democratic party that the majority accorded to the republican candidates was odtatned, owin, to the dissatisfaction and disgust whicn prevaile: at the corruptness and knavery of the ola Tam- -many Ring under the leadership of Tweed and his gang, an there being no such issue to disturb or uvide the democratic ranks on the present occa- sion, these same purties, by reason of their convictions and determination to support tne best men only, will now return to their allegiance. The consequence anticipated thereirom is a compiete apd sweeping victory for both State and city offices, provided ‘good men and true” are pat in nomination, and this the democratic party, or rather the leaders, have promised to secure and provide. i State Senator Johnson Speaks. State Senator William Johnson, of Seneca, was called upon at the Metropolitan Hotel by the HERALD representative and was very communica- tive. He said, regarding the third term aiscus- sion about President Grant, that he did not be- Neve he could ever get the nomination, «The action of the Pennsylvania State Republi * ean Convention proved that,’ said Senator John- son, “He has not the slightest chance for tne position, The people will never consent, no mat- ter who the mau, much less Grant, to his holding three terms ol the Presidency. The reason why ‘this should not be has been left us as a legacy by Washington. It is dangerous and the people un- derstand it to beso. ‘To be sure, we are becoming familiarized with the idea through all this discus- Bion about tt, but the more familiar we grow with it, the less we like it, republicans or democrats, “Who do you think, then, will be the most likely republican candidate?” “By alioddsWashburne, He has been away from the country and has lost his aifiliations with in- Ternal squabbies, All others are too much mixed Up With matters at home. Grant I am confident ‘will support Washburne for the position, and will help him to get {he strongest support from office- holders, But we are most interested just now on the question of the Governorship. There can be no doubt that Governor Dix is the only man the republican Needs can bring forward.” “Who will you Oppose to him?’’ “Well, Church was our best man, but he will not run—thatis settled. He told me that he would Not run, and gave his reasons. He said ne was a poor man and if he were elected had not the Money to support properly the dignity of Gov- ernor, AS it was, ne had a living Which ne ‘Would have to sacrifice to run for tue Governor- ship. Then, il he did run and get deteated he wonld not either have the Governorship nor the Judgeship, nor, as he says, could he return to his practice, for he has now grown rusty, and hardly begin the work over again of a private lawyer. As it is he has enough to carry him through on bis salary as long as he can be in work- Ing harness. These are the reasons he gave me for not running, and I could hardly blame him. Next to Church, who would of course be our strongest 1 think Judge Allen, of tne Court of Appeals, would be our best man. “Do you not favor Samuel J. Tilden ?” “Personally I have the highest esteem for Samuel Tilden, but 1 am airaid that he would not be a very Strong manto run well. There are several reasons tor this. One is that he has made many enemies by his course during the Tammany excitement. ig actions then I consider to have bei im every way excellent, but at ti time it set many against him, which would of course take (rom his strength candidate. But @ still more potent reason is this:—You know, of course, that we have throughout the State organi- zations known as the granges. The men who compose these complain, With reason, of the rati- road monopolies, which make it a difficult matter to get their grain to the seaboard, They have to Bu, enormous Pp for freight. This tmpover- bes them and makes them look with suspicion pon any one who has afiliations with these rail- roads. Now itis well known that im several ca- Ppacities Mr. Tilden has been interested with these Tauroad magnates whom the grangers detest so cordially, He has been, 1 believe, in an official Capacity engagea in several ratiroad companies. Now, rightly or wrongly, the grangers would think thata Governor wno had in aby way been in business relations with the rairoad men would not do them tbe justice they call for, It would at all events furnish 9 powerful weapon to the op- ponents of Mr. Tilden in the canvass with the people I speak of, and you must see that it would greatiy impair his chances of election. We cannot afford to run a candidate who has each @ party Bguinst him, and, therefore, { do not favor the nomination of Mr. Tilden, though as a gentleman | bearer, but this time, he 18 eatimable in every way.” “Do you think the candidate yon mention— | Judge Allen—would run with any cuances 0! suc- | ess against Governor Dix?” } “Ob, yes; I have no doubt that the democratic | party has 4 Neb 00d chance at the coming elec: | tion. Tne people are tired of republican rule and | the repuiions pare tate ofthat. In many years | as ni } Giabeeeoneday y ot been so weak as at Ex-Prison Inspector Laf_lin Speaks, This gentleman was also interviewed by the Higwalp representative. He said he thought Gov- ernor Dix was a strong candidate on the republl- can side. fe added :— “I do not think, however, that the democrats are to be beaten at the coming election if we only pull temether. wita the right man at our bead. I NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY, AUGUST 29, 1874.—TRIPLE SHEET. do not favor Mr. Tilden for the nomination, for I do not toink he would be @ strong candi- date. f am io iavor of Judge Allen, now certain — thas Sanford E, we are Church wil) not be 4 candidate, sorry, and 1 am sure all democrats are, that Judge Church would not run vecause he po doubt would buve Deen our best candidate, | see no reason why, with united effort, Dix shouid not be beaten, con: fideut as are the republicans that they can elect him with certainty. Tilden has the tavor of the Whole democratic party in the northern districts Oo! the State, and | doubt if he wou.d poll the whole vote of the party. Judge Allen would. ‘Tilden 18 in fact weak im @ good Many ways asa candidate, and lor a good many reasons, I certainiy hope, for our own sakes, he will not receive the noml- nation.” Mayor Havemeyer Speaks. The veteran Mayor Havemeyer was met by one of our reporters on his way from the City Hall, and was interviewed. To the frst question the Mayor said tnat he did not pretend to be much of @ politician nor to be @ special oracle in political matters, “But what do you think,” asked the writer, “of General Dix for a second term ¢” “What | think ?” said the Mayor. ‘Well, I think that the republican party could not nominate a better man than General Dix, He nas experience and knowledge of the position, and for the repud- lican party seems to me the only man they can choose.” “And of his chances of an election, what do you think ?” “That altogether depends upon the man selected by the democrauc party. As Church appears to be unwilling to run 1 can’t see that a better man Could be chosen than Sam Tilden.” “Do you not imagine that he is a man of almost exclusively local reputation?” “Oh, no; be is weli known throughout the State, and is as strong a man, I believe, as could be nominated by the democratic party, and in him 1 fancy that Dix would nave his strongest opponent for the position. Sam is @ man who knows what he is about and would make @ good canvass. But Dix 18 honest, at least I have every reason to be- lieve 80, and has done honor to the chatr. By all means the republicans should renominaté him.” “Have you paid much attention to the third term agitation?” “Well, that much attention to it that I thing it 1s all nonsense. I don’t believe any party can be found foolish enough to make any man President three times, Whether Grant has the ambition for 1t of course I don’t know, but if the party contem- plates such a thing they are playing with a very dangerous term, General Washington refused a third term because he said that he did not believe it was wisdom to accept it. This policy has be- come a law to that extent that it is ungaie to ignore it. He understood that the thira term was dangerous. You see when you go past the second term you can never see where it istoend. Lf you make @ man President ior twelve years why not ior twenty, and if that, then why not have a dynasty? it is the danger of this to the Republic whicn should make the people beware o! this, and 1 beueve the people to be opposed to it in spite of auy personal popularity any man may have, They lear that the Presidency may become a perma- nency, and that gradually, with the enormous patronage which the position has, so much power would repose 10 the individual that finally there would be no means Of getting rid of the incubus,’? “And yet you are in favor of a second term ior General Dix. When once you establish a number of years a8 @ term would if not be the salest to limit oneself to that one term, and does not the same argument apply to a second as to a third ?” “Oh, Do, that does not ioliow. I believe ina second term because tn the first the people have al opportunity to sce and appreciate whether tne servant they bave trusted has served them well. If go the second term comes as a reward for the first, But there it should stop, There can be no reason in not giving tue four years to a Governor ag the elght years to a President. But here it should stop, and 1 do not believe, therefore, be- cause the people know ail this as well as you and Ido, that it would be sale to trust General Grant with another term in office. You may depend upon it that if they do he will as easily ana more easily get a fourth term,” “But re you see any man to oppose to Grant?” x. “] mean in the other party.” “4 cau’t say that I do. Hendricks wonld not answer. But Dix in the republican party would mnake @ better and more availavle candidate in every way than Grant, and I believe would make a beiter President, 1 think he is the coming man lor the republican party to nominate. As ior the democratic party I guess that is why Church is being kept back so as to time in 1876.”” “He 1s not a@ man known very much outside of the State.”” “No, that is trae; but in two years a great deal of work may be doue. We don’t know what other man, indeed, the next two years may produce, But i think this is the reason why Caurch would not be named for the Governorship. { fancy that the real contest, when tue time comes, will nar- row down between Dix and Church and very strong. (think, will they prove on poth sides, J have no idea that Grant will ran spite of all the talk about it.’ “Can you see any Other man in the democratic ranks eligible for Governor besides Jilden?? “I can’t say that 1 do, suppose there are others who may be chosen, but I have great faith in him. Between Dix aud he for the Governorship {t 1s hard to pronounce, for both are exvellent men, and itis mere guess work who would be the strongest with the peopie. Dix has the one ad- vautaye of being in office and having served once, showing hisencire fituess for the office, and bis ability to manage it to, I guess, everybody's satis- faction. At all events, thus far I can see Do reasou for anybody being dissatisiied with him.” Throughout the interview the honorable and ancient Mayor, it will be observed, leaned to- wards Dix most palpably, which may have some- thing to do with tne charges aguinst himself. [i the decision should be adverse to him it is possible his high opinion of Governor Dix might be changed. Mayor Havemeyer is, however, de- cidedly in favor Of two terms on general prin- ciples, as may be Seen Irom what he said. Mr. Algernon 8. Sullivan on the Situa- tion. Among others whose opinion on the present situation of political affairs was obtained was that of Mr. Algernon S. Sullivan, late Assistant District Attorney. This gentieman, who is among the hardest workers ip the democratic party in this city, gives his views with considerable caution, in so lar as regards who the probable candidate tor the Governorship will be, although on other points he 1s most decided and explicit, as his statements Jn answer to the questions put to him will show. Mr. Sullivan in the first place was asked as to who would, in his opinion, be the democratic can- @idate for the gubernatorial chair. In reply he said:—“I can only talk to you a few minutes, but I will answer you frankly. My first wish as to per- sons among those whose names have been sug- gested in connection with the Governor's office, 1s, that Sanford E. Church shall be the aemocratic candidate, and I sti hope he will be nominated. If he shall decline we cannot fail to have 4 GOOD NOMINEE, for there has never been @ time in the history of the party when its ranks included a larger num- ber of excellent men who would honor any office. Look at some of the names; there is Ker- naa, for whom I should like to vote again, and Potter, and Ganson, and Tilden, and Seldon, and Abratam R, Lawrence, and Joun R. Brady, and Abram 8S, Hewitt among the merchants, and Charles O’Uonor and Judge Lott. We can feel proud of such names and J could give a score more of democrats whom the best cttizens can sup- port. Should Obief Justice Church decline a no- mination, no prediction can now be made as to who will be selected. General preference has not yet centred upon any one, Mr. Tilden’s name has probably been more prominently mentioned than that of any one of the above lst of'residents in thus part of the State, and although there is some little diversity of opinion panrenees to the expediency of nominating im, yet I re cordially support him, and we could elect him if he were nominated. A ticket of the hignest order can be made by placing Mi GANSON AT THE HEAD, with @ Lieutenant Governor selected from this part of the State, In any event and whoever is the nominee of the republican party, we shall, | | feel certain, gain the victory. Governor Dix will, 1 am persuaded, again be their chosen standar: Ithough he is justly very popular, he will not succeed in securing re-elec- tion, However, should such an unforeseen event occur, and | feel confident that it will not, he would andoubtedly be the strongest man to the country on the republican side for the Presidential nomination. If he is his chances tor the Presidency are comple done for, You see, in the coming fall elections ; there is this one thing to be remembered, and tnat is, that the elements which existed at the time of Governor Dix’s last election, and which largely contributed to his success, will not this time be brought into the matter. Then a large body of democrats were tnduced to support him for rea- 8 too Weil known for me to refer to them. The uses for this witharawal of certain members, cratic ranks, having now been withdrawn, yt fact, ceasing to @Xist, naturally will operate to bring about a return to the old affiliations and alie- | giance, The people. I think, require A CHANGE OF RULERS, being about tired of the republican supremacy and mode of administering the government. The liberals, too, Will, 10 my Opinion, cast their lot on majority. Our state party platform will be con- structed on the principles now crystailized in the phrases, ‘Hard Money,’ ‘Free Trade,’ ‘Home ule’ and ‘Freedom of tie Press.’ PRESIDENTIAL PROPHECTES, “In answer to your question as to the probable candidates ior the Presidency, on voth sides, the probabie chances of the champion of each party and the effect likely to resuit ‘rom our victory this fall, 1 can oniy say tuat | ag firmly beleve that It is the inten‘ion of the repablicaus to renoiminate General Grant as 1 do that he is seeking tue re- nomination, His chances of success, however, are, in my opinion, reduced to a minimum, in the first place | think the people of the United States would rise up and PROTEST AGAINST A THIRD TERM Of office being made possiole jor auy man, no mat- ter what bis qualifications migutbe, They can- not, in my opinion, be induced to in- augurate or establish any such dangerous precedent as this would be, and it is wise that they should not, Again, the effect of a democratic victory this year in the State of New York would be to exercise a strong and decided influence on next year’s contest, both in this and other >tates, and at all events suiticient to secare @ very large majority in favor of the democratic candidate, whoever he might be. Republicans as well as democrats would vote for our candidate, and the lioerals surely, ‘There ts aiso, as 1 tunk f have previously said, a feeling cropping up in all sections of thé country that the time has come when a change in the government would be to the interest oi the nation, and tuat the democrats should be allowed to show. what they can do for the general good. I thing our victory is certain. The candidate to be put forward by the demo- cratic party, and wonder whom! think all would rauy, ig ALLEN G. THURMAN, of Onlo. I look upenu him as the coming man. He possesses all the quaufications necessary, or that it 1s possible to require, for the high office of President. He has aiso a large and varied expe- rience of life, and is eminently the best man that could be chosen as our standard bearer. honesty, Uprigbtness and integrity are unimpeach- able.’ Changing the subject {rom the consideration of ational ad State poittics, the question of THE MAYORALTY Was referred to, when Mr. Sullivan, in reply to the question as to the most likely nominee of the democratic party for Mayor, said, ‘To your inquiry about the Mayoralt, I have only to say, in my opinion Mr. William H. Wicknam will be the democratic nominee, and it is no invidious disparagement to any other man Who has been named to add, Mr. Wickham 1s the equal of the best of them. Neither Mr. William Butler Duncan nor Recorder Hackett are seeking the nomination, so far as | am informed. Tne former indorses Mr. Wickham tor the position, but declines on his own account. I think Re- corder Hackett, too, is out of the contest, for he is quite satisfied to retain his present position. For this, a8 other city ,offices, a nomination 13 equivalent to election, * The gentleman I have namea would, I am of opinion, be the best poasible man for the place. and be would command not only the support, but the confidence and esteem Of all classes of our citizeus.”? Tnanking Mr. Sullivan for his courtesy the HERALD representative took his leave, Words with William H. Wickham. Mr. William H, Wickham was also visited by the HERALD representative yesterday, in order that an expression of his opinion might be obtained. In the course of the conversation which occurred he expressed himsel! very freely iu regard to the politica! future, as he viewed it. He gave it as his unqualified and decided opinion that the demo- crats would carry both city and State, whether Governor Dix was renominated as the republican standard bearer or not. The majority whicn would be recorded for the democratic party could, for the city alone, be estimated with certaimty at thirty thousand. He thought the republicans would suffer A COMPLETE BOUT, and would not, in all probability, secure a single State or city office, “while it is just probable,’ said Mr. Wickham, “that even in the contest in the severai Congressional districts in the city tnat we shall elect the whole seven. We are entirely certain of five of these districts, almost sure of the sixth, and we may just manage to carry the seventh. I look forward to such a re- sult any way, and Ido not think I am far wrong. ‘There is no duubt,” continued Mr. Wickham, “that there is a great reaction going oa in the feeling of the people all over the Union. They are begin- ning to tire of republican role and now desire to give the democrats an opportunity to try their hand at government, being well satisfied that they cannot possibly commit more blunders or exhibit greater mismanagement than the repub- licans have, while they may inaugurate, as they will if allowed the chance, @ more healthy system and policy, which will tend to increase the welfare of the people and the general wealth of the coun- try, doing away with the CORRUPTION AND ABUSES that have been allowed to crop up and have been fostered under the present admtnistration. Al- ready the strongest indications have come from many of the States showing thar this change is | coming about, while in many it has already oc- curred. The Southern States, as well as many in the West, have had enough of the republicans, They have declared for the democracy, and before the Presidential campaign 1s inaugurated this feeling will be largely increased. THE GUBERNATORIAL CONTEST. In reference to the elections which take place in this State thisfalllam free to say that I think they will go allone way, and that ts in favor of the democrats, Governor Dix will undoubtedly be the candidate of the republican party, but 1 think this time he will be badly beaten. The signs of the times show that in this State the re- publicans are swiftly and surely losing caste. Their ranks are thinning, and, as a natural se- quence to this, ours are in equal ratio increasing im number, General Dix has been a good Gover- nor, there can be no doubt, but the issues and cir- cumstances which largely contributed to his elec- tion are now dead and disposed of, and the people belonging to the democratic party who voted for him are now more than disposed to re- turn within ourcamp. I am of opinion that the party lines will be unquestionably drawn very rigidly, and any candidate for office, whether tt be State, county or city, will have to depend entirely on the internal strength contained within tbe lim- its of his ownparty. There are this time NO EXTERNAL INPLUEN CES and causes whicn can be brought to bear to de- tract from the claims of our party, while, on the contrary, matters are occurring which stow that we may expect great dissatisiaction in and defec- tion from the ranks of our opponents, -Look, for imstance. at the kind of leaders they have in this and other States. Are Ret the kind of men under whom the people will raily and in whom conf- dence can be placed? Why, all of them that I can think of are men who are now holding office ‘under the government or that possess influence in wielding govern ment patronage. These men en- tirely control the conventions and it is not wonderful that they seek their own welfare by en- deavoring to foist on the people and their own personal followers the perpetuation of the present corrupt administration. They have, however, avout payed out their rope, I think, and the day 1s at hand when they will be made to feel that the American people, although long suffering, WILL RISE IN THEIR MIGHT and enter their emphatic and decided protest against the frauds and corruption which have marked the reign of the prercte federal govern- ment in certain parts ot, If not all over, the Union. ButIam drifting away from the subject; there- fore, ag the French have it, revenous a nos mot- tons, The candidate of the democratic party for the Governorship will, I have no reason to donbt, beaten for the Governorship, | id not @ few either, of our party from the demo- ; 0 | form no possible opinion. be Samuel J. en. In fact, I think it may be considered a bln PLT) conclusion, notwith- standing tha’ Bo ual Domination has been made, He will bé & THE PRESIDENCY CONSIDERED, In regard to the Presidential coutest [ have but little to say, for it is at the present mo- ment altnost too early to form any de cided opinion thereon, but my impression is that General Grant is decidedly intend- ing to seek @ nomination by the republicans for @ third term. If he concludes that he wants it Ieee no reason to suppose that it will not be | accorded him. His patronage is, as you know, exceedingly large, and all those who are holding any kind of office under his administration are bound to support him, for it is a matter of bread and butter to them. He will, however, if he runs, be badly yrnippeds for the people. I think, will not support him, for they are opposed to the perpetua- tion of the “ONE MAN POWER” or the establishment of such an extremely danger- ous precedent as this would be. As to the chances of Governor Dix for the republican or any other nomination tor the oftice of President, whether he be elected or defeated this year for the Governor- ship, [have only this to sagt believe he has no chance in any event, for the reason that he is too iar advanced in years. He has already outlived the allotted time of man, according to the Psalmist, and I think the people of this great nation would be both un- willing and adverse to placing him {p the position of President, two years trom now, with tae more than probable contingency staring them in the face Of his not living to adininister the duties of the office for the full term. This is a consideration that 1 think 18 fatal alone ais election. As to the probably democratic canaidate I can Many things may and are likely to occur which make it impossible to make cny prediction in that rd, There are, however, a large number of men in the party who arc emtnent!; fitted ‘for the office, any one of Whom would make @ good President.” WHAT WILL BECOME OF THR LIBERALS. A query was put to Mr. Wickham as to bis opin- Our side. which will necessarily tend to #well Our | tne th ravard th tha infinenna vale tn ha averciaad His | to his nomination even, let | | probably. this fall by the liberal repudiicans in the city and. State. ‘To this he replied (nat he did not think their power eicher one way or the other would be per- ceptible. ‘They will, said he, in my opinion, be ab- sorbed into the ranks of both the republican and democratic parties, according to their predilections and lormer aMiiations, bat the majority of them | will, | imagine, seek brotherhood with us. THB NUS AND GERMAN VOTE. In concluding the conversation, which had by this occupied some time, and @ casual reference having been made by the HERALD representative to the Irish aud the German vote, Mr. Wickham sald there could be no question at ali in tus re- gard, lor the Irish vote would, as it always had been, be solidly democratic, while the Germans will vote for the men they consider in their clear- headedness the pest fitted for the place. They | are not a people that can ve led, They take their own views on political subjects and ireely exercise their own judgment. Views of a Banker. | The HERALD reporter called upon an eminent pri- | vate banker down town wuo ashort time since was a candidate for the Mayoralty. He said:— “This third term discussion I regard as all bosh and nonsense, I wisnI could have a talk of ten minutes with those who started it, The republi- cans Will not stultify themselves to such an ex- tent a8 to take up this one man again, They know, as well asthe democrats understand, the danger ofit, and I think Grant’s own party have had enough of him and don’t care to nave any more. And, to sum up, I don’t think it possible | that apy party, however confident of victory tt | might feel or however careless of consequences, Would so go against what is a!aw almost as strong as the constitution. The folly of such a course is 80 manifest that it hardly needs any illustration, No patronage at his hands can carry so unpopular @ measure.” “How do you think Grant himself would act about consenting to run 7? “There 18 hardly any doubt that he would con- sent if he got the nomination; but then he’!! never get that.” “You may have observed that the idea nas been broached of his running as the candidate of the Southern people and a fraction of the Northern, and that thts course would facilitate the recon- struction problem ?”” “[ look on that as a very Utopian scheme. In the first place 1] believe that in two years hence the South will go democratic. Louisiana, Texas and North Carolina are now democratic and Tennessee One by one the Southern States are fali- ing into line, sick of the Northern republicans and Northern carpet-baggers. So wnat chance a republican President would have of running in a democratic country it is not dimMcuit to imagine. You may rely on it the South— and | speak of that portion of the South that ts | worth speaking about—does not care for Grant as | Grant. ‘hey jook to their Own prosperity, and they know it can never be attained under a repub- lican government, and the South is too wary to pin its faith to one man. It knows that the demo- cratic party will do it justice, It knows that, } should the democratic party come in power, tne present system of reconstruction will receive a sudden death, Then why should it take up Grant ? He can be of no iurther use to any one alter 1876; and 1! he is the man they say he 1s he is canning enough to know it, As for the argument that | democrats will join witn the South in this scheme, the idea {s not @ feasible one, for a democrat must | change his coat, hts skin, his Dlood, his everything, before he can make up his mina to vote for Grant.” «What do you think of this taking up of Dix for the next Governor ? “Ttnink Dix gets a great deal too much pre- Hminary puffing. There:is no necessity of picking him up as a certainty because tt has been found out thgt Sanford E. Church won’t run. Itis nov necessary that we should all pin our faith to Sam Tilden. Ie Neon aee that there are objections | against,him—serious ones—bat is he the only man in the democratic party who 18 available for Gov- ernor? There are lots of them; they line the side- walk. What we want is aman who has political sagacity without political ambition.” “And yet the democratic party does not appear to believe such men are numerous ? “But they are. A great party always has such men 1p superabundance. They are only waiting Jor the chance, and one would make as good a Governor as another. Why should we think that Dix ts the only man in the great State of New York who would do for Governor? The idea is ab- sur “Can you name any man in the democratic ranks who would as well Gt the piece?” “I could if I put my mind to it; but what would be th2 use? The Democratic State Convention will do that quite as readily as I could and with a great deal more effect. We don’t.want @ man whose object in becoming Governor 1s to subsequently become President. There is where the snag is that We must guard against, tion, is what is wanted. I don’t much like talkin on this subject, because they call me pig-heade about it; yet still I think that it would not bea bad iaea to retire General Dix. It 18 the same idea as the third term of Grant—that there is only one man can save the country, whereas you know, as I know, that there is not & map in the worla whom we cannot spare and whose place cannot be The thira term of Dix is by no means a necessity, and I trust the democratic party will be able to show it when the time comes,” A LIBERAL REPUBLICAN OPINION. Interview with General Cochrane. General John Cochrane, who is the acknowl- edged leader of the liberal republicans, both of the city and in the State, was another of the gen- tlemen visited bya HERALD representative. His views on coming events, especially in so far as they bear upon the programme to be adopted and carried out by himself and party, will be read with interest. The General, 1t will be perceived, gave his opinions with that degree of modesty which, it is well Known, always pervades his char- acter. There is, however, considerable force tn the answers he mace to the various questions pro- pounded to him. On the entrance of the HERALD representative into the room where the General was seated in his | residence in Clinton place he was at once invited to | aseat, The conversation, which at first was of a | general character, naturally very soon drifted into a discussion of the present political position, and more especially as to what the part would be that woula be taken by the liberals in the straggie. ‘The General first entered upon an expjanation of tne conditions under which the party was first brought into existence, the aims sought to be at- tained and the present attitude it occupies in re- lation to others. The General then expressed his | willingness to answer any questions that might be put to him. He was, therefore, asked by the | HERALD representative to give his opinion as to | who would be the probable nomtuees of the repub- | lican and democratic parties respectively and the probabilities attaching to the election of the one over the other. To this General Cochrane repiied | as follows :— WHO Is TO BE GOVERNOR, “Of course I do not presume to speak with a: surance, for 1 am not sufficiently well tuformed for that; but I may say that the political signs generally denote that Generul Dix will be the re- publican nominee for the Governorship. Perhaps as to the democratic candidate for Governor there may be at the present time more doubt. Still, notwithstanding the strong efforts organizing against bim (qm tclined to think that Mr. Tildep will be selected. “You can understand the diMiculty of forming an opinion now on the probable election of one over the other of these candidates next November, | for tn the first place their nomination even is an uncertainty, and then if nom:nated the long time interveting between this and the day of election will doubtless produce some unexpected events | | | that may upset all calculations. But apart from this the task is not easy. Last year's vote is no gwide, | nor 1s that of the year before. Supposing that the | republican party have, in the State, the strength ofthe average majority of 30,000 over the demo- cratic party, you will see that the pressing need of the times upon the merchants, mechanics and la- borers Will probably diminiso that majority seri- ously, t it does not cancel tt, for you know THE FASHION OF HUMAN NATURE 1s to lay the fault of all its blunders on the shoal- ders of the men who rule jt—in this case the ad- ministration. On the other side, however, there , is to be considered the power of discipline, patron- | age and the + thels of Reparate republican tri- | umphs. Lrather think that the struggie will be a very energetic and equa! one, ard that nelther side will have mucn to brag of. “general Dix’s popularity undoubtedly is great; but it must also be remembered that mr. Tilden is intrenched in rejorm, Then you may set of THR TRMPERANCE DEFECTION from General Dix. That probably of Tweed’s fol- lowing trom Mr. Tilden. At the present I am thinking that these candidates, in the event of their nomination, will be pretty evenly matched. “AS to the part the liberals will play in the elec tions I have simply to say that the liberals are chiefly intent on preserving their own organiza- tion, Therefore they fixed their Convention at a day before those of either of the two great parties. The democrats meant to absorb thein if possible by issuing @ cali ior them to come to their State Couvension. Many who have been known as iiberals will doubtless accept the cat; but their accepting It cannot be construed into an abandon- | that what that canvass shall be, by what Sagacity, withous ambl- | the liberals shall have held their state Convention pa ite by eee organized ear ap ve le j the great bode. of the liberals are ee ee | UNWILLING TO BE ABSORBED in either the democratic or republican party. They have no unwillingness, however, to co-ope: rate with either of them—tnat 1s, to take trom the | tickets they shall nominate the best men, without reference to the party to which they belong. | “it is uocertain tomy mind toward which they | lean most, Dix or Tilden, and can hardly say if they will be destrous of expressing their opinion when they meet in convention. Having armed their State organization I rather think that they Will be inclined to await furtuer developments be- fore they determine iully for what men to vote— thatis, to learn what meo are placed upon the tickets of THE TWO GREAT PARTIES and for what ofices—their fitness, ability, honesty, 4c. Ido not thing that the liberals have an idea of nominating an independent ticket.” ‘The question was then propounded to General Cocurane as to What his views were with regard vo the Presidency. Said he, tn reply, “You ask about the Presidency, AS LO that, it seems like speculating upon THE MAN IN THE MOON, it is so far off, Weil, should General Dix succeed to a Momination and election as Governor of New York it certainly would be a long step toward tne White House. I see that sanguine, i! not discreet, friends of nig are already coupling his name in the provincial press (where wary palctans generally pat forth their feelers) as President, with that of oun, of California, aa Vice-President. But, then, itis well Known the General is old and may die, 1t is true, but I still rely on the truth of Jefferson's observation, that of the oMce-holders ‘FEW DIEZ, AND NONE RESIGN.’ As to Grant’s third term, there are many who claim to be wise think that isa myth. Ido not exactly. It seems to me that General Grant would Not object to it if offered to Lim; and as he has the power of securing the offer, iv is put natural to suppose that he will gee to it that the office is offered which he wouid be General Grant 1s a far-seeing Man, and tf the pros- nominated I jee! confident that he will, in such case, dismiss any idea of the tuird term that he may have entertained.” THE CHANCES OF THE TWO PARTIES, In reply toa question addressed to him in re- gard to the reiative change of the republican and lemocratic nominees in the next Presidential campaign, General Cochrane said:—"l must made, by What combinations and under w sues is matter of impenetrable obscurity in my mind. There may not be then the present repub- lican party or the present democratic Ae. Grant’s nomination for a third term will probably rupture the repubitcan party, and the new and formidable combinations at the West—the people’s movement, the independent conventions, erangers, &c., are making TERRIBLE HAVOU WITH THB NATIONAL DEMOCRACY. You must walt, I think, till next year for an an- | Swer to this question. We liberals are waiting for | exactly that time and its developments, and when they come I apprehend that we snali in New York | be marcaing in the same column and to the | same music with the thousands who then shail | bave combined, whether democrats, independents, | lor purity Of government.” THE REPUBLICAN OPINION. Interview with Ex-Conmgressman Roose- velt. Ex-Congressman Robert B. Roosevelt was seen by the HERALD representative at his office in Broadway. Tbe conversation began on the sub- ject of the Governship and Samuel J, Tilden. Said Mr. Roosevelt :— “] have long Known Sam Tilden, both personally and politically, I like him,ang | think that the party owes him the nomination, for he deserves it. He undertook to fight the Tammany Ring when it was all-powerful in New York, and wnen he took serious risks by so doing, both to his own political career and indeed to nis business. He took so prominent a part in this overthrow that at the present day } can see no man In the State, since the refusal of Chief Justice Church to accept the nomination, that 1s so prominent and deserving a candidate. Still, Irecognize that the same chances of success do not attend Mr. Tilden’s candidatare tnat would attend Judge Church’s, There is no doudt that in his very fighy against the Ring which has been attended with such success to him, his party, and I must say to the opposite party also, he nas made many enemies among the old remnants of the Ring, who still are quite powerful in some re- spects. This would affect him as much in the country ag in the city, and even more 80, because Tweed had even more immense influence out of the city through the State than he had here, His system of dealing with country members did this. Tilden will have to contend with this, and it would very much weaken him, there is no doubt of it, hy producing some division in the party.” “what do you think of Dx, on the other hand?’ “[look on him as by all means the strongest man the repubitcan party can nominate, and I bave no doubt he wili be chosen by them. In every way Dix is strong. He has the reputation of being reliabie. You always know where he is, and he makes no mistakes. In his present wrm he has been satisfactory, and no one can point a finger at him. They have endeavored to bring Crédit Mobdtilier against blm; but have lamentably failea in all this sort of thing. Therefore I nave not the least idea but that ‘ne will receive the nomination, I do think that if Mr, Tilden were opposed to sny other man he would carry the State—against Dix it will be uphill work.” “Do you sce any other man but Tilden who would be stronger ?” “No, I cannot see any, though Clarkson N. Potter is spoken of. He ts uot very generally known, though what service he has done has been gooa and loyal to the party. He presided two years at the State Convention, when it was an ex- ceedingly diMcult toning to do, and in Congress he made good name. Still, I fancy tnat Tilden is a better man.”” “Should Dix be successful in the coming cam- paign do you not think that it would make hima very strong candidate for the Presidency ?” “Well, yes, it might; but stiilI do not think he Would get the nomination. He 1s not enough of a politician for that. The party would be atraid of him in the Presidential chair, for they know they could not mould him to their will, and so I fancy that be has not much chance for that. From the time that Grant won the last election 1 predicted that he would be @ candidate for a third verm, and J am still of tat opinion under certain conditions. Inever thought be would push himself forward. Grant is a shrewd man and awaits the progress of events before he will speak, li he sees that he can be elected he will most certainly be @ candi- date, Lfon the contrary anything happens to con- vince him that he would not be successful u he did run he will retire in favor of somebody else. He will not risk é failure, for that would be anni- with his successor, for I have never douvted for an instant that if Grant should want the pomination he will get it, and he can in the same manner control It for bis suc- cessor. What is to prevent it? It 1s certain tne Convention will be composed of office-hoiders, pledged body and soul toGrant. They couldn't atford to tgnore him and his wishes, for they would ow (tat any opposition on their part would cost them thelr places, and they never could get them back. If, on the other hand, they nominated Grant or the man he told them to nominate it would guarantee their bread fhe y for tne six months that remai ¥ one eu a paged ie Whoever they nomi- taking their View of the matter, at jupposing the republican party to be successful; and idea is that the President ag big views very clearly defined on.the yan ie ni OF What he will do if he does not run himself, can make a bargain with his successor appointed General or some higher gra sary that would put nim agein in command of the army. phd! popularity in Washii rant send the latter out West. He ts afraid of nim or he next Presidency as @ democratic can- ate. What do you think of Sherman as a eandidate 1" “He 18 abut the strongest the democratic party could nominate; but the question is whether he man of utter independence and no politician whatever. It he were successtul and elected, tne question is, then, What would he do, and would he sult nis party? Hendricks would make a good who, 1 doubt not, would accept the nomination. Outside of Grant in vhe repubucanu party | think Blaine is @ stroug man, und nas been working very dingently for the Presidency. He 1s also a politi- cian, and the combination between Butler and he, who have made up their diderences, wiil, doubt- | less, have the effect of making him much stronger. It 18 intimated—and with some appearance of Teason—that when Blaine was accused of being in the Crédit Mobilier Ring, Butler held proofs against | him which ‘would have been brought out. ‘bat that Lind i wid Butler to take ‘ of the \ Seekicn ton wad ‘so the whole matter Was quashed, {1 think {t probable, too, that Grant would sup- | port Blaine, as the latter would agree to any terms ‘ne President chose to make. That 5 of course, {f Grant decided not to run himself, which will | depend on the position of things in two years. ‘ Grant is very Hkely about the time to bring up some ineasure Which will make him very poptlar, ' such as the veto of the Inflation bill, and in on | tue clamor. He is shrewd enough to do this and Ment of the hberal organization, if jus previously | would hesitate at noth! Pleased to accept. | pect to nit appears unfavorable to his selection if j grangers or liberals, against official dishonesty and | hilation to htm forever; but he will make terms | T believe this, and the fear of Snérman’s | ton is what made | would be an available candidate, because he isa | S¢ candidate, but Dot so stronga@ one as Sherman, ; louse, which he had been | ing. For instance, shoula he begin to pat out all dishonest cmice holders and shut down on fraud, insisting they shall be prose- cuted, 1 would make # Very strong point for him about election tim je will, | am confident, do something of this kind; amd then tn the election itself he bas everytl in his own hands. The Southern States are absolutely in his power. The peopie have no voice Whatever, and ‘as he has the matters arranged he can count him- | Seu! in without the slightest difficaity. If nis tools here such as Davenport or Sharpe could get pos- Session of the police—and they may by the time on eiection—you can see what can be done tn this city, | Tt 1s the same all over and Grant can wantpulate Yotes by the buudred thousaad 1m this manuer.’? Who, then, can say what he will be pleased to do ? chad supposing Grant shoaid be elected, what | “Oh, if once the rule ts broken through then | there is no stopping him. The people have recog- nized that two terms were enough and the matter | has become so strong a popular opinion ag tu be & \ law, Af this 18 once ignored then se fourth term | 18 easier to get than the third, and so on, for the | Power of the Executive would become greater | 88 time went on. Perhaps, however, a@ ; the people arose in the darkest days of the Tam- many Ring, when things looked most hopeless, so they may rise again and put down the President | Who seeks to ignore the rule which Washington | laid down. Grant having a third term means the ; breaking up of toe Republicand the dictatorship by the present incumbent. However, I think the peo- i ra begin to get tired of the republican ty andthe | fictitious prosperity it bas vroaght. t y see that now they must pay the debts which they once con- tracted. Business is dull, money ts scarce, and the days of buying With promises to pay are over. On the platiorm of free trade and payments Ithink the democratic party has @ better chance of securing power thaD at any time since the be- ginning of the war.” | Imterview with Lieutenant Governor Robinson. Lieutenant Governor Robinson was met atthe Metropolitan Hotel by the HBBALD representative. He appeared to be very enthusiastic concerning the chances of the republican party during the coming campaign. “General Dix will be our next Governor, sir; you may rely on that. He will, of course, be re- nominated, and there 1s not the slightest possible chance of his being defeated. The democrats have no man that they can pretend to oppose to him with any chances of success,’” “Do you think the re-election of Dix will give him any chance for the Presidency in two years ?’? “on, I think It ts too early to speak about that yet, Two years do a great many things, and we oer what might turn up between now and then. | “rhe third term discussion does not concern you at all’? “Of course not. General Grant will not run for any third term. He never thought of doing such @ thing. Birt you think the State Convention will take any notice of the subject “None whatever. Toe subjeet will not be brought up, you may be certain. it is mach too long ahead to think of the Presidency, and when the time comes the republican party will find a good man for the place. Until then we can live in peace without bothering ourselves about a bugbear of this kind. But as for the Governorship, it 1s just as much decided as if the election were over to- ” “ivnat do you think of the democratic candi- 7 te “| think Mr. Tilden, who | suppose is the can- didate, is a very fine gentleman and will make a strong candidate, and will get the vote of the party, but 1 do not think that he or any other | democratic candidate can be elected.” POLITICAL DRIFT. John Hancock is the democratic nominee for te | Furth (Texas) Congressional district. Let's ‘ee. ‘We have heard that name before. Governor, Lieutenant Governor and three Con- gressmen is what the Boston Post claims tor the democrata in the next election. The Worcester Spy, referring to the repubilcan joy over the division of the democracy on the cur- remoy question, asks:—‘Is the republican party any more anited on the questions 1avolved in the Civii Rights bill, and are these issues of any less importance?" Tne Boston Herald says:—‘Mr. Talbot is spoken of as ‘the frst prohibition Governor, if acta are any criverion, Massachusetts has ever had;’ and still the people are not bappy with him.” The Pittsburg Gazette thinks that the uncere- monious (not to say violent) manner in which third termism was hurled eut of the Harrisburg Convention may be accepted as a clear illustra. tion of the average republican feeling on that subject. The Ohio democrats hays practically indorsed inflation, and claim that they are tolerably sure of success in the fall election. The Boston Glove, commenting on the republican canvass, ¢xciaims, ‘New Hampsntire is bouna to redeem herself!” but {t fails to Ax a time. The Hartford Courant thinks that the next re- publican national convention will go heartily for the soundest and highest doctrines of Munance, or it will go skyward to fragments, In a review of the work done by the recent con- ventions in the various States the Boston Journat vibrates from praise of republican platforms to condemnation of democratic ones and back again to the laudatory strain. | The Springfield Repudlican reports that General | Cogswell is anxious to lock horns with Ben Butier in she Essex district. George M. Buttrick, of Worcester, formerly of Barre, is now named for the Lieutenant Governship. of Massachusetts, Saya the Springfela Repudlican:—“General Hane cock 18 libellously reported to have ‘owned up’ in private conversation to having hopes of the Presi- dency. The dental will be along by the first of the week, probably.” General Banks’ canvass in the Fifth (Massacha- setts) district is ap hill work, if reports in the State papers are to be believed. Ipgeoms to be conceded that ex-Vice President .Hamito will be returned to the United States Sen- ate by the Legiglature of Maine. Mr. Hamlin is the only member of the Senate at this time who was also a member of the famous Senate of 1350, a boay that numbered among its great men Daniel Web- ster, Stephen A. Douglas, Henry Clay, Reverdy Johnson, Lewis Cass, Thomas H. Benton, John P. Hale, William Dayton, Dante) S. Dickinson, William H. Seward, Thomas Corwin, Salmon P, Chase, John Beil, Sam Houston ana others of scarcely less note. The Boston Post thinks that it will be incam- bent on the next quadrennial delegate assemblage of the national democracy to lay down the estab- | lished doctrines of the organization anew on the | eubject of the currency and the sacredness of the public pledges, and to extirpate by vigorous treat- ment the last particles and vestiges of so danger- ous @ heresy as that to which the Ohio democrats. have been seduced into committing themselves, Iv is settied—the question of Grant’s successor. | Inthe Ohio Democratic Convention, on Wednes- aay, three cheers were given for Governor Allen as the next President of the United States. There- upon that gentleman smiled and bowed and said:—"} wt not seek, but will not deciine any duty the people may call upon me to perform.” | POLITICAL CONVENTIONS TO BE HELD. The following Is a corrected list of State Conve | thons to be held this fall :— | Bept L Sept. 2 Pe | sept. Sept. & Sept. & | Sept. 9 | Sept. 9 | Rept. & 1 i ndependent. } Bobi. 2: Democratic Bept 10. Democratic. t 1d Democratic. Sept. 10. Democratic. - Sept. Demoerstic...| Trenton ; Sept. b.. tepublicat | Bept. i Republicat } Sept. I | Sept. 23. sept. 2. | Sept_24.: | Gow 7 | THE LIQUOR DEALERS, An adjourned meeting of the committee on | organizing the State Convention of Liquor Dealers | met in parlor No. 117 Metropolitan Hotel, New York, President A. Herzberg in the char, A. St | Clair Secretary pro tem, conference took place with the counsel of the New York and Brooklyn ‘unions and the members of the commitsee, the re- sult of which was the appointment of Dr. Be | Hofer as @ committee of one to prepare an aad! which shall embody the vances uD the trade now suffers an bt redress | which is to be sought. It was resolved that ® | meeting Of the State Central Committee ve called ‘past two o'clock, 10 jor No. 117 Metro- politan Hotel, New York, and that tne same be + advertised in the leading newsnaners