The New York Herald Newspaper, October 16, 1869, Page 6

EUROPE. The Papal Council, the Papal Exchequer and Catholic Contributions, Magnificent Present from the King of Prassia to the Vatican, The Sickles Negotiations and Notes in Madrid, French Approvals of Father Hyacinthe's Position. By mail from Europe at this port we have our spe- cial correspondence and newspaper reports tn Inter- eating detail of our cable telegrams to the 2d of October. A Paris correspondent of the London Star, writing On the evening of the ist of October relative to the Pantin murders, says:— Some fresh light has been thrown on the Pantin tragedy. A body which there 1s every reason to believe is that of Kinck senior has been found near Guedwiller, the piace to which it is peileved that he ‘Was enticed by ‘Iraupmann, and from whence tho first fictitious letters addressed to the murdered woman were posted. acre is, therefore, now no evidence that Traupmann had any accomplices, although it appears unlikely that he could have committed so many murders without assistance, The younger Kinck was at first supposed to have been in some Way an accomplice in the scheme (whatever it was) by which Traupmanun hoped to profi; but 1 appears almost certam that ho ‘was only @ blind instrument In the hands of ‘Traupmann. ROME. A Hard Cash Estimate of Pio Nono—*Peters Pence”—Prassian Policy Towards the Holy See—Spanish Politicselics and Remi- miscences of Ancient Rome. Rour, Sept. 23, 1869, If public or rather universal esteem ts to be measured by pecuniary offerings, there was never Buch @ general iavorite as Pins IX. The money poured out of Catholic purses into his exchequer, especially during the last ten years, has been inca culable, and the most organized form of contribu- tion has certainly been that of the ovolo di San Pietro, alias “Peter's pence.” ‘The Abbé Dumax has written a history of this ancient tax inflected on Christendom, and its voluntary revival in olir days, first in 1843, when the Pope flea to Gaeia, and after- wards to enable hin to carry on government when deprived in September, 1859, of tie rich pro- vince of Romagna and subsequently of those of Marca, Umbria and Sabina, ‘The originators of this idea are asserted to have been the Bishop of Orleans, in 1860, and the Catholics or the United States in the month of February of the same year, who drew up and submitted to their bishops a cir- cular containing the following passage:—"Tne citt- zons of the United States must not limit themselves to a demonstration of sympathy—we think thas the. association of tho Obolus-Of SE Peter might be alablished~ The association was 1n fact organ- 4mod, and atiained its full development in 1862, sinc @ when it has given progressively increasing resuits. The King of Prussia continues to coquct with the Pope in a manner which must excite the Jeatons susceptivilities of the French Emperor. Lis Majesty, having been recently informed tit his Holiness had ordered a inagnificeut carpet at Berlin for the floor of the council hall, requested to bo allowed to sustain the expense of it. The Pope repiied in terms of gratitude tor the King’s generosity, in memorial of Which he hoped that the Holenzollern ai would be worked beside ttiose of the Mastal-lerrcttt in the centre of the carpet. It will be curious to see the esoutcheon of the principal Protestant sovereign of the Continent thus figuring in the midst of the assembled fathers of the Roman Church It ia stated that we are to have as Spanish Minister here the ex-member of the Cabinet, Seftor Loren- Zana, Who 18 not likely to mect witha very warm reception at the Court of Rome ou account of sume violent articles against the Ecumenical Council signed by him and published in a review of last year. Meanwhile we bave a special Envoy from Spain in the person of Sefor Mellan y Caro, a high employe of the Ministry of Public Worship, who tas come to obtain irom the Pope authorization to sub- mit the Spanish bishops vo the same oath of alie- glance to the government as that administered to prelates in France on tu ession of their sees, and contained in the sixth 4 : between the lioly Sec aud t No such precaution was take: Amgen, [gabelia in drawing up (ie Spanish as it was Never supposed that the bishops hostile to her diguity. ‘This step on the part of the present Spanish government has been suggested by ‘the hoatiic attitude of a considerable portion of the clergy and the active wat any parisii rests Against the present icts Where arlist traditions abd tend eval. The Minister of Worship, ‘iia, has issued a etr- cular to all (he bisnops 0: @ peninsula, requesting them to resiyain their ¢ ry from joiming Carlist rebel bai and has opened the negouations mentioned efor the modificavion of the exist- ing conce 1 understand that the Spanish Envoy, after some interviews wiih Cardinal Anto- neill, ‘enteriains hopes Of obtuiuing te desired concession. Prince Otuo, brother of the reigning King of Bava- ria, arrived in Rome on Saturday evening from Naples, and had a formal audience of his Holiness, ft the Vatican, on Monday morntug. His Royal Highness bad only three days’ lionizing in Rome, aad left yesterday morniag for liorence. Sightseers in the environs continue to labor nnder the dimcuity of brigands. A German gentieman an his wife were robbed by four bandits on Sunday, between franscati aud Tusculum, Subterranean Rome—if | nay so call the strat of ancient ruins existing under the modern eity continues to furnish loteresting resilis to exca- vators, especially 01 that portion of the Palatine hill belonging to the Emporor Napoleon. A swiin- ming bath, or tank, bas been revealed there, ina holiow between two excavations, near which a series of chambers, with reuculated walls, decorated with encaustic paintings, have been uncovered. These decoratious are well drawn and brilliantly colored, comprising mythological subjects, hippo- griffes, geuu, candelabra, birds, vases and festoons of flowers. In one room is represented Polyphemus pursuing Galatea, who, leaving Acis, plunges into Q river on horseback, accompanied by two nymphs, ayimming. On another wall of the same room is painted Io, the rivalof Juno, bound toa rock and avpre by Argus, toward whom Mercury 1s cautious- am approaching with asword. Itis to be remarked at in these paintings the poetic tradition has not been observed, which gives only one eye to Polyphe- mus and a hundred to Argus. These rooms are bei covered in, anc the paintings are belng var- fished with a preservative chemical preparation. They apt io probably to the house of Augustus, or that of Tiberias, and were built over, like the bathsof Livia, when Domitian re-erected the palace on higher level, after ite partial destruction by Ore. in digging for the foundations of a louse opposite the hospital of the Trini(a det Pellegrini an ancient bnilding has been discovered, with remnants of decorative paintings, and a mosaic pavement repre- senting Mercury with the Caduceus and a nymph with the Cornucopie in the middie, and four ake- @orical heads of the seasons tn the corners. GERMANY. Reltgious Movements—Catholic Unions at Dus- seldorf — Orthodoxy Predominaut — strong Resolutions—Baden and Catholicisu—Clois- ters nud MonasteriesActivity of the Seauite—Horr Muhler Contra Protestants Trouble tn Store for Him. BERLIN, Sept. 30, 1869. Tho recent meeting at Dusseldorf of the German Catholic Unions was altended by nearly 1,300 mem- bers, comprising the clergy and laity, At the firat General Assembly, a public one, which had attracted @ large audience, including ladies, a Baron Von Schoriemmer delivered an address in favor of Rome. ‘The Popo, he sald, needed money and soldiers. While in Florence they were hard at work printing bank notes no dificulty had veen experienced in Rame, w'cre the funds had been fowing plentifully. The noly i qnioyed a universal ¢ realty while Ttaly with her Hee slantuomo, lad not ascended to the Vatican, 04 Had descended to the Pantheow of Buropean banks oy, the Pope~ #0 bh prayers. (CD%, ) ane next speaker, Professor Sepp, of Munich, ox up the social question, and tried to snow 18) the progress of the ago was due to the Biisie. the Shaition of the laboring classes. But all the bad gone to the Jows, aud they were the ‘Wrat enemies of the Catholic Charch. As the aindi- fice began to show 8 of impatience the Presl- Ment reaussted the speaker to close, which he did by Italy had more soldiers than the devil—but the Pope had more | saying:—"I recommend to the laborers coonomy and self-aid. We have fourteen saints tn the calen- dar, but we want one for the working clagg, Per- haps it will be given us by the HguAenloa! Counctl, viz., the maxim, ‘Help Yourself and God will help you.’"’ O9 seéaker, from Kombay, gave a descrip tion ot India and the trouble and victories of the Church there, The next meeting, which was not public, occupied itself with the press, and discussed steps to be taken against some opposition journgls, It was finally agreed to drop the matter Alvogether, which was Wlso dove with a proposition to instruct Catho.to Journalists how to meet attacks against the faith, A motion by Professor Kluge, of Vienna, to send & card to the Bishop of Lints in approvation of bis yalorous condact was adopted. More than 4,000 persons attended the General As- sembly on the evening of the same day. The topics were Catholic literature and social matters, A cler- gyman from St. Gallen, Switzerland, delivered greet- 1ngs from the Pius unions, and requested assisiance in obtaining for Switzerland @ hew saint, by name Nicholas yon der Fluhe, assuring his audience that the Swiss would not shrink from the dogma of tho oly Father's infallibility, Though the proceedings on the day following were not public it became known that in regard to the Ecumenical Council the following resolutions had been agreed to:— First.—We look upon the ensuing Council with unlimited contidence and accept Its resolutions unconditionally. ©, whose bighost ambition s the defence of the » Protest against any and every worldly interference with lis internal alfairs; we expect that sovereigns and gov- ernments will kee from apy act which might encroach upon the liberty of the Council and its resolutions. From this you will perceive that the orthodox in the assembly had it ail thelr own way. Violent Speeches were made against non-Catholics, the falth- (ul were called upon to vindicate the independence of the Church, Russia was condemued for her brutal conduct towards the Poles, who are good Catholics, In memory of tho herocs of Mentana a fund was raised for an orphan asylum, and the laie aluir of the nun at Cracow was deciared too insig- niticant for the consideration of the meetng. On the last day an onsiaught was made by Dr. Lindaa upon the Baden government for its luke- Wwarmness towards Catholicism. At the request of the President, Prince Lowenstein, the assembly rose in order to show thelr indignation at the conduct of the Baden governmeat, A communication made by the Archbishop of Cologne to the effect that the German bishop had resolved to establish a Catholic university at Fuiaa, and raise funas for that pur- pose throughout the country, was received with upplause, At the banquet which followed Baron proposed @ toast to the Pope, saying:—Lie tis not only Christian, but Catholic, Catholic, but ultramontane. This was proved by the late Jubilee of Pius [X., at ome, Where, on @ small gallery, dressed in spiendid unt- forms, two men had been seated; they were the spe- cial delegates of Prussia and Bavaria, drawn thither by ultramontane power. Lu times gone by the Ger- mau Emperors led thetr hosts to Rome, while at present nations send their rulers to the footsteps or the Papai throne. (Vehement cheers.) ‘The terms nationai and ultramontaae were to-day synony- uous.” Congratulatory telegratms were sent to the Vope and Bishop Rudigier. One gentleman present uscribed 1,50) thalers to the Mentana Institute, and er jarge sums Were contributed to the exchequer of Plus 1x, We have to note turther a great activity of the Church in increasing its religious estabitshments 1 Prussia aud throughout Germany, namely, the erec: tion of Clofsters and monaster Lwo such, onc intended jor the barefeet Carmei tue other for tue Women of Jesus, are bela itructed at Poser on & vast sca’ uring several years Jor their completion and estimated to cost a quarter of a mi- hon thalers each, Rich orthodox Polish families of the nobility have Cach subscribed sums of upwards of 20,000 thalers. Even trom tie Daaubian princtpali- ties we hear of heavy acquisitions of land made by the Jesuits for the purpose of establishing in Molda- via and Wallaciia several convents of the Sisters of the oly Heart, Lhe strength of the orthodox party in Prussia, aud especially in tis city, has become such that only tue day betore yesterday they suc- ceeded in breaking up, by riotous conduct, a public meeung convened for tue discussion of the Moabite cloister question. Todo this they were douotiess emboldened by the friendly sympathies showa them by Herr von Muhier and his department. itte ig heard of opposition among the jtberal Catholic clergy Jn the Rhenish provinces, ‘The jour- nal Wanderer asserts that the Clergy in Bohemia are opposed to the infallibility doctrine, from the pro- mulgation of which they apprehend serious dan- gers. Their synods are said to have opposed on the geound that the Council of Trent had settied the question—the further discussion of the bodily ascen- sion of the Virgin, her corporal condition, &c., and to have demanded the removal of certatn matri- unonial restricuons, participation of laymen 1 cuureh matters, reduction of tithes and non-iuter- ference with schoo!s and science. On the who.e we do not believe in any serious opposition of theclergy to Whatever the bishops may dictate, and as far as the governments are concerned in the forthcoming Council itis the gencrai and weil founded opinion thas they will quietly look on and adhere to “mas- terly inactivity.” In the case of the Protestant Unions of Germany, to be convened on the 3d, 6th and 7th of October in this city, the High Consistory has given its tinal decision, denying them the use of several churches for worshipping and holding meetings. It will be recoliected that the Berlin Common Council and the trustees had offered these churches to the Pro- testant Unions, and that the provincial consistory of Brandenburg had interposed @ veto. An appeal to the High Consistory resulted only in the approval of the latter decision, which plainiy charged the Protestant Unious with ten- denoies destructive of true Evaagelic doctrine, In vain bas the Common Council appealed and staced that such rigid intolerance was contrary to Evangelt- cal spirit and would not only lucrease the prevailing religious indifference, but drive intelligent and pious members out of the Church, So much 1s certatn, that tue destructive tendea Spoken of cannot be sub- stantiated, otherwise Mr, Muhler and the High Con- sistory would have come down upon the liberal Protestants with a high band and demounced them to the State Attorney. We have sald before that we do not fathom the drift of the government of Prussia in thus openly favoring the Koman Catholics and ill-treating liberal Protestants. It ts bound to result, ere long, Ina clean sweep of Muuister Muller and is partivaus, SPAIN. Anniversary of the Revolution at Madrid— Special Herald Telegrams aud Their pine nations=General Sickles and the Caban QuoestionBewildering State of the Diplo- matic Corps—Sickle# Diplomncy--Paul 8, Ferbes Turns Out to be a Diplomat—Tho Kepublican Insurrection. MApnID, Sept. 29, 1869. To-day time completes a full cycie since the revo- lution of last year came to Madrid and intoxicated all the people with bright visions of Iberty, individual rights aud the mauy privileges that fail to the lot of a well-governed and free country. To-day, there- fore, the first anniversary of the lauded revolution, each journalist casts @ retrospective glance at the days that have gone and begins to reckon up how many of the happy auguries that were cast then, just twelve months ago, have come to pass, Your corresyondent likewiso very natu- rally opens an annual volume of the Impar- cial, dated September 29, 1868, and finds what a difference between then and now. The first words which strike your attention are ‘“Gioria 1” “Houra |!” “Libertad |" “Individual Rights 1!’ «“Na- tional Sovereignty Live Forever!’ in great primer type. I look at to-day’s Zmparcial and find the fol- lowing:—‘'Tho Rising at Barcelona,” “The Taragona Assaasination,”’ Banishment of General Bias Pierrad and his Brother, Genera! Ferdinand Pierrad, to the Canaries,” “Minister Sagasta’s Prohibitory Decree,’ “Protests of the People,” “Disarming the Volun- teers,’ “Disturbances at Jerez,’’ “The Republicans Censure the Government for Unconstitutional Acts,’’ “Phe War in Cuba.” ‘This much ts the difference between then and now. Not one of the bright fore- casts of political seers have been fulfiied, and the law and the prophets have been and are set at naught. What has been done is the least minimum of good and the greatest maximum of evil. Spain is plunged millions more of reals in debt, over 10,000 soldiers have lost their lives in & Cuban war and some hundreds in Peninsular epidemic revolutions; at Malaga, Cadiz, Jerez, and lately at Barcelona by republicans, and throughout Spain by the Carlists, thougu the government always deny that they have lost a man. Over twenty generals have been sent to Cuartel barfacks atthe Canary Islands, which means that they have been banished, Republican demonstrations fiave becn pronibiced unis week by Sagasta; no more clubs, no more cries Vive la Republica, no more speech making in the streets by Casteiar and bis liverty-loving confréres, ho more processions, no more republican banners— so decrees Sagasta, Minister of tho Interior, Isonomy is prohibited at Saragossa, Barcelona, Cadiz, Malaga, and all Andalusia. Isabeilino theories and Gonsaiez Bravo abuses are all the vogue at present; the republican insurrectionists are to be deported bodily to the Canaries unless they enlist for Cuba, and the monarchical union is on the eve of dissolut! So much as related above ts the result.of one year. As I have kept you pretty well posted in all concerning Spain, your readers may draw wise inferences from the many scores of chap- ters sent to you since the 20th September, 1868. Sunday last lxent you a special telogram thus worded:—"‘The government of Spain has respondea to General Sickles’ note very courteously, and pro- mise reparation; they confess the war in Guba hi not been conducted humanely; they offer excuses for the inhumanity, and thank America for proie ing ita kind intervention; but it is not known | ta tt. The probabiitt; ‘ney had done much to improve | whether Spain accepts or rejects probability is Spain has not answered the invervention clause, and 1t 13 believed General Sickles will withdraw his note if it 1s not answered shortly, as it 1s not becom. ing the dignity of a great nation like America to wait jong for a reply to such courteous letters, Paul 5. Forbes arnyed at Madrid this morning.’ Another despatch was sent to you last night con- aloud the souewing:—"Tbe proms pliuAtiON of NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY, Spain ta that Barcelona 1s quiet, but the neighbor- god 18 in @ ferment, it hundred republican insurrectionists are at Maurosa. Andalusia is ina dangerous state, and many bape republican leaders have left Madrid for that province, ‘Things at Saragossa, Malaga, Cadiz and Jerez are doub:ful. ‘The raliway and the telegraph wires have been cut at 81x different places vbelween Madrid and Bares: Jona, Tho presidents of we yepubilesd Tiubs nave been debuting to-day ubd» Lue late probivilory decree of Seior Sezasia, Minister of the Interior, 8pd ) fave agrosd that the decree 1s eminently Suconstitutionai, and have censured the measure strongly. To-morrow at Madria is pregnant with danger, The candidature of the Duke of Genoa 13 triumphing, Tpe Duke is studying Spanish at Lake Como. Generfi Sickies haa not yet withdrawa his note." These two last telegrams roquire amplification from me, witich I will proceed to give, though they contain the exact summary of what tuterests the world, and whatever I shall say, be it remembered, I speak of certainues; so frat I shall commence with General Sickles’ note, ‘The substauce of General Sickles’ nose to the gov- erument of Spain has been sens to you in a more rellavle way than to any other party outside of the Spanish and American governments. Lf it contalned any more than what I gent to you 1am ignorant of the fact, thougn every oe who could give tho least juformation about tue note has beea badgered more than enough, Butican say with confidence that the very contorted statements sent to the London press by the English correspondents are eRertecay r) unreitable and untrustworthy, and quent views of te Spanish press upon that remarkable note are equally untrust- worthy, We at Madrid receive telegrams from New York almost daily saying that the government and the Atnerican press have censured tl conduct of General Sickles, aud that it is stated in America that the General has exceeded his instrucitous, This is childish gud absurd in the extreme, for the General, were he a Cuban, could not have exceeded the spirit of his instructions, secretary Fish in per-, son could not have carried out bis own ideas aud thoughts upon the subject more literally and faith. fully than Minister Sickles has done, and that he has used too sirong language to the Spanish govern- Ment nray bo discredited from the tact tat some clauses of the note have beea rejiled to by this gov- erument with all courtesy, with many thanks tor the friendly interest the United States have taken in Spanish affairs, My opinion 1s, also, that Spain has declined in tho same kmd tone the friendly intervention of tue United States, for tt is but natural to assume that if the Spanish government 1cplied to some ciauses they wouid reply to all, and tis opinion is streugthened by the fact that the govorunent, seemingly having got rid of this dilficuity, Iminediateiy turned their attention with increagvd energy to une despacca of reinforcements to o This opiaion is wy own, unauthorized, certaialy, but one caunot witi- hold credence from tuiugs ue Way sve aad words ne may hear here aud tacre, Again, | Know it ora fact that Sickles’ fotention 1s ty withdraw tie nolo if the intervention clause t3 not replied to shorty; but this latier inay be but aa expression to ward ow suspicion from an actuaiity already taken piace within the circle of dipiomacy, If newspaper meu are in the dark conceraing t sulig of tue diplomas negotiations between Lie United States aad Spain, the entire diplomatic corps are no lessso. Air. be the Britisa Charge d'Avacres Would give a p penny to know wat his been going ou betwee: eral Sickles aud Spata; but, poor maa | as ye: ue Is 10 the dark and 13 floundering like a isk out of Ibs ele ment, and 1s listening aad eyelag every lilag askant for fear sometiing else miigie be Means baad What is actuatly seen or livard. & dear sir, all these tirely unfounded—ar and enureiy. she Unies 3 don’t want Cuba— Cuba may go to ulter darkness for all our govern. ment cares about that island. diy note was but a simple, conrveous reuonstration agaiash the bar- baric cede of taws witca prevails on thai auhepyy entirely; isle. Nothing more, that and notuiay more.’ may be pardoned for assuming th Geu Sickles replivd to him in just such a t yev poor British-Frencn 13 doubts, yet beileves; believes, yet doubts; and usks of himself, “What ts a flo called in diploinauo lexicography?’ 13 1t punishable by tne Divine or moral laws in @ di at to say “Yes" or “No” to facts quite the rey Mr. Kuitor, can you auswer that question? Can a dipiom st say “Yes,” biuntiy, when it should have besa ‘No’ according to the laws of trutn? ant can you teil the diplomauc Britisher where & diplomat will go if he tells o plain downright —. Not only is Mr. French wandering in this Stygian darkness and unexpiored realms, woere all 13 un- certain, vague, indistinct and shadows, but Baron Mercier 1aat a logs to know wiat 1s 1n the wind, The questions he asks are: ‘tas that God tor d— Atmbassaaeur Americain been tryimg to buy Cuba, or what? Have the Spanisa goverument refused to negotiate, eh, Goa lor d—— Yankeo; Vat sall I know, vat sail I say?’ Some people know the value of the monosyllable “No,” aud some persons do not, and among tho latter you may number diplomats, ‘o make the subject of the negotiations more mys- terious, express speed comes j’aul S. Forbes, whose name was lately used frecly in connection with tue Cuban question. Verily, no one will answer yes to My questions, but all will say “no,” freely, and neither can one discern what is going on. How- ever, I heard yesterday from person connected with the Spanish government that Paul S. Forbes did have sometuing to do with the Cuban questio: and that he tried to buy it for the Cuoan Junta ol New York. That, belong “a well-known man ia Now York,’ of an imposing presence, rich, :niuential, known to General Sickles and General Prim, tho Cubans had asked him to offer $150,000,009 for Cuba. Now, I rub my hands and exclaim bueno, caval. lero, por Dios, give us more; Once start the ball of suspicion, give a clue. To strengthen these ciues and hints here are further evidences. General Sickles introduced Mr. Paul % Forbes to the Regent at La Granja. Why did pot Goveral dickies introduce another American gentleuan who, was there? Why did he not take, of the half score of American cttizen3 then at Madrid some otver man equally rich, influential, a8 well Known as Paul S. Forbes? Why did Paul 8. Forbes seek tac he. ent’s acquaintance and that éciat which comes of cing introduced by an ambassador of General Sickles’ well Known reputation? Why did Paul S. Forbes, at various other times, seek Prtin’s con pany, breakfast, dine with him, talk, take counsel with him?’ Why does Paul S, Foroes come period! cally to Madrid—once 1p April, next in May, next in June? And now be comes here again swift on the tracks of General Prim, Lastly, if Mr. Forbes has nothing to do with the Cuban negollation, why does’ he not deny it as publicly ag 1} Was asserted? Wherefore we must ail coucitide that Mr. Paul 8, Forbes, wealthy genticman of New York, hitherto following mercantile pursuiis at Hong Kong, has in these latter days, towards tue decline of his lifo, developed into @ full grown diplomatof by no means despicable talents—may bo reaily called the American Richelieu, who lias done credit to luis selec: tion and to the reputation of American diplomacy. Hituerto your correspondent has paid too much at- tention to the universal downright a0.” Fol Mr, French’s style, 1 look askant, and see enou all to make a declaration to you that Paul extremely fag Forbes has come back to Madrid to renew tho negotiations to purchuse Cuba, on behalf of the Cuban Junta of New York, for @ #um of $100,009,000 or $150,000,000, Now, about the present situation In Spain. Barce- Jona and almost all Catalonia are in arins. Cadiz is rife for insurrection, Jezez Is agitated, Malaga pro- poses to rebel and Saragossa isin danger. ‘Lroops are being coustantly despatened to ail tie vuluera- ble points of the Peninsula, Madrid betng protected by the fourteen or fifteen loyal battalions of voiun- teors under Rivero, At Satadeil there were 700 tn- surrectionists last night; Manresa had 400; Marto- rell had 600, These cities are in Catalonia. There is no communication between Madrid and Barcelona by way of Saragossa, for the railroad has been taken up in several places between Lerida aud the city of Barcelona, Passengers bound for the latter city must take the circaitons route via Malaga, Alicante and Tarragona. We are in hourly expectation of hearing that Andalusia has risen, that the republi- cans of Estramadura have taken the fleld, that Arra- gon has declared for the republic. ‘Ine oMcial organ, the Gaceia, publishes novhing, except enough to prove that what it says is an untruth, ana nowhing govermental can be reiled on. So far there nave oy 1,600 troops been sent to Cuba, and no more will go for the present. Madrtd but waits to hear news of one republican victory to rise against tne government, Never was it in such imminent dan- ger, and the present state of agitation that reigns throughout the Peninsula has been created: by tie very reckless and lndelicate way the republican volunteers have been treated sluce Prim's return from Paris. It is thought here that Napoleon III. prompted Prim to this action, having declared that Spain could never prosper if the government permitted the republicans to propagandize their political tenets without censure or remark. Hence it is that the Minister of War was so arbitrary to General Pierrad, the republican volunteers and Sellor Caatelar. When the Cortes opens the republican Deputies wiil charge the government with arbitrary conduct, pass a vote of censure and withdraw to take the fled. There is nothing more to add to my letter upon the battle of Barcelona, as it was more complete than ~ report yet received at Madrid, except that the artillery were pe a for two hours demolishing the barricades before the assault, The government expects an outbreak igrday io Madrid, and the troops are being held ready for it, Demonstrations of the different political parties take lace to-day in honor of the anniversary of the revo- ution at Madrid last year. The public edifices were tlluminated last night, and will be to-nignt, ‘The Discussion alone, of all the papers of Madrid, advises the government to accept the friendly medi- ations of the United States government, and declares most emphatically that General Sickles has not withdrawn his note, but that he will withdraw it if it i not answered shortly. The President of the Cortes convoked a meeting of all the journaliste of Madrid yesterday and informed them that the Ame- rican Minister bad withdrawn his note; hence the einphatic denial of the Discussion, This is anew addition to the mystery in “which this note is tn- volved. What the Mayor of Madrid (Rivero) and the President of the Cortes (which two ofices are blended in one aud the game person) can bave to do with Sickles’ note cannot be guessed, and why be should cali the journalists together and tell them what Gen- oral Sickles emphatically denies cannot be ex plained. Thave at tho very latest moment received a tele- ram from Barcelona in which it is said that the Insurrection contin and disaffected republicans are assembling in mountains, Great agitation ‘ists at Valladolid. No matis have arrived trom Barcelona since the 26th. A battalion of troops left here at noon for the defiles of Despenaperros, A regi- ment of engineeers will leave to-night for Catalon' A strong republican force is within & mile dnd @ haif of the city of Barcelona. ‘Lhe troops have rovurned to Barcelona without daring to at them, War Juniag dave heen formed ia qityes of Catalona; 15,000 men are out of employment at Barcelona, and tt ts su! these men will join with the republicans, Seilor Igiesias, the new Gov. ernor of Barcelona, who ieft Madrid Monday morn- ing, hag not been able to reach bis post, owil to the interruptions of the raliroad, The Tolograph what Pee Ca He government are in iguorance o! fa Bo ‘at Barcelona. Ali the militia of Spain will be required to awear fidelity at once to the con- stitution, ENGLAND, The Fenian Prisoners=An Ammosty Proclas mation Foreshadowed—The Oxford aud Hare vard Race—Loring’s Perploxity. Lonpon, Oct, 2, 1869, An energetic movement is at present on foot, both in England and Ireland, to secure tho pardon of the Fenian prisoners held in cuswoay by the Britigh goy- ernment, and a general amnesty for political ofences bids fair to become before long an important plank in the platform of the Irish, if not of the whole libe- ral party. Up toa comparatively recent period tho effort was confined to those who sympathized with. the objects of Fentanism, even if some of them did not approve of all its acts; but the magnitude and character of the latest meetings give evidence that the circle is widening, and that it already tncludes many who cannot be suspected of favoring any such liberation of Ireland as that contemplated by the secret brotherhood. Some of these are doubtless influenced by @ soeldsh desire to secure a certain notoriety to subserve thelr personal ends, and some by the worthicr motive of humanity; but the greater number have in view the steady Prosecution of a-new policy for Ireland; a radical change in the system of governing that portion of the United Kingdom which not only contemplates justice for tne future, but atonement for wrongs in the past. Indeed, there is good ground for stating that the prosent British goyernment views with no unfriendly cye the proper agitation of a politioal jail delivery, aud receives with satisiaction those peti- tions for the pardon of the Fenians that are couched in a becoming tone. The liberation of ail political prisoners would bo an act by which Messrs. Glad- stone and Bright would willingly distinguish thetr administration, and they witness with regret the inconsilerate violeace of those would-be heroes whose tucendiary language only throws embarrass- ments in the way of the pardon of their fellow countrymen. Itis by no means creditable to Eng- land, with all hor boasted strength, to keep a handful of irish insurgents immured in her dungeons while the French Emperor, whose political insecarity she is so fond of picturing, throws open the prison doors of all political offeuders, Independent of this con- sideration, however, the reloase of the Fenians is necessarily an important part of the programme laid down by Mr, Glaastong in his treatment of the Irish question, ‘The measure he has already carried through, and those by which 1b 1s to be followed, naturally estrange from him the hitherto leading elements in irish politics, Protestantism and land- lordism, aud be must look elsewhere for strength and support in tat portion of the kingdom. He has to seed hts new iriends among the Roman Catholics and the tenantry, and as they are by millions the most numerous ho has only to disen‘hrall them from the tyranny of the Church and the landowners and he becomes ail powerful in Ireland. The Church is already deturoned, and the reign of landiordism 1s drawing to 4 close, but the wound of Fenian imprison- ment cannot be left to rankle aad fester in the breast of the ltverated nation. ‘To make Mr. Giadstone!s tri- umph secure it should be healed by the act of grace demanded at his hands by a large and influential body of the people. And ic will be. ‘The Knglisa journals as a general rule are opposed tothe contemplated amnesty, and harp upon the stupid conduct of the Fenians who have aiready enjoyod the clemency of the government as a warn- ing agatnst further liberations, ‘Lo be sure, the fustian of those would-be heroes is the more offen- sive from the knowledge that to gratify their own stupid vanity they ave heediuss of the injury they inflict upon the poor wretches who are still under- going the discipline of aa English jail; but if the whole batch sould be turned adrift to earn their own ‘iving, honestly if they could, there would be nothing left for them to talk avout, ana thelr occu- pations, like Othello’s, would be gone. The argu- ments used by the English newspapers against the amaesty are scarcely calculated to drive Mr, Glad- stone from his purpose. ‘Their principal points are that the release of the Fenians would be taken as au acknowledgment elther that the conspiracy against the existing government in Ireland in 1867 was no crime, but & laudable undertaking, or that it was @ crime which England 1s afraid to properly punish. The weakness of such arguments is apparent upon their face. The conviction and imprisonment of the parties who took part in that conspiracy stand as evidence that the British government regarded it and did not fear to punish it asacrime. But while a govern- tment recognizes rebellion against itself uoder any circumstances as a grave oifence, it may recognize also the fuct that such a rebellion was induced by abuses that require removal. Having enforced its authority and vindicated its existing laws, it may well accompany the prosecution of reforms with leniency towards those who have offended against ies majesty. But, it is said, the prisoners we are asked to liberate have showneno contrition for their acts; they have not prostrated themselves at our feet, they and their sympathizers, and sued humbly for pardon. It might be remarked here that the English newspapers, after the collapse of the American Southern States’ rebellion, were virtuously indignant at the idea that the government of the United States should desire to humiliate tae rebels or require of them any expresston of contrition foc their misdeeds. But it 1s enough to say that re- peatance and sorrow are not the only considerations upon which the pardons of criminals are granted, Ita good end is to be subserved by the remission of @ sentence it can matter but little if the released prisoner will persist in regarding his conviction as unjust, Mr, Gladstone would to-day put down a rising in Ireland by the most vigorous means and punish those who might take part in it; but he will set loose the men who couspired in 1867, because he would pot only remove those real grievances in the governnicat of Ireland which have been the pretext Jor rebollion, but would also obliterate from the minds of the people the remembrance of past injustice and putan end toa dangerous sympathy for those who are suffering from political offences. For I speak advisedly when [ say that In spite of the odjeciions of a certain portion of the Bugilsh press, and in spite of the uoisy biustering of ranting Fenians, the persons now imprisoned for political offences wil be liberated by tue British government next year, elther on the reassembiing of Parilament or on the occasion of a royal visit to Ireiand, ‘The stalo subject of the Oxford and Harvard boat race has been suddenly revived by the repubitcation in London of a conversation reported to have been beid with Mr. Loring, the stroke of the American boat, by a New England reporter. The papers hero are very indignant at the suspictons hinted at by Loring that the Marvard crow were ito danger of losing their lives by poison daring their period of training at Putney and by Is charges of ungenecrous conduct brought against the Oxford rowers. Well, probably it would have been just as sensible and discreet in Loring to have takon his defeat in better part and not to have made an ass of himselfin the styie he ig represeuted to have done by the New England Bohemian, The r#ks of the change of cil- mate, about which he seems inclined to whine, were voluntarily ren by Loring and his associates when they challenged Oxford, and as to the poisoning horror, it 13 doubcful, first, whether the terribie English betting men — staked an, enormous amount of money on the race, ani next, whether, If they had, they would have treated five Americans as unceremoniously as they would a Derby favorite, provided they had enjoyed access to its stable, The probability is, therefore, that poor Loring might have eaten his meals with an eas, mind, und have devoted himself to his training wit! advantage to himself, instead of worrying himself about his milk and vegetables and studying how ho could baitie the poisoners by sending Blake to mar- ket, now in one direction and now in another. Lor- ing’s complaint that the Oxfords, in a very ungen- Uemanly manner, ‘took hts water,”’ may be all just epough, but at least they left him sufficient for the coxswain to wash him with before he got through with the race, No person here preten that the Oxford crew acted with any enerosity towards their American competitors, and selfish! ‘hey took every possitle area insisted upon having overytuing the ir own Way; bul it would be just as well for Mr. Loring to leave others to comment upon these facts, and not to enter the Held himself as agrumbler, His conversation ts of & part with the snobbish letter of Mr. Willan, wherein that gentleman, with nuine cockney bounce and vulgarity, boasted of how “mid the Oxfords could have distanced the Harvards ti had dosired todo so, The sooner this great Untver- sity boat race is suffered to become a recollection of the past aloug with the great international battle between Heenan and Sayres, the better perhaps for ai) parties concerned, American Telegraphs—Their Proposed Pure chase by the Government. {From the London Timea (city articie), Bept. 29.) itis suid utat the Western Union Telegraph Com- pany, of New York, which has absorbed all the other ieading lines of the country, are likely to press upon Congress at its a) porpaching session the propriety of the government if them up and carrying on the business after the Roglish precedent, The concern was established by Professor Morse and others, twenty-three years ago, wil a aingle wire from Bal- timore to New York, and lig cépital lock now rep- Tesents @ SuIn equal to abotl £8,000,000, besides a bonded debt of nearly £1,000,000. ‘fhe company under their charter have the povver of purchasing competing lines at their pleasure, and it is by Yesuing stock for that pur; and glo to pat entees thar ® great part of their enornioug nom- Inal capitai has been created. This system of buying up of compantes seems to have had gome features in common with recent developments in another branch of business in Lonaon, “In years past,’ it is said, “ut has been a source of alleged fraud and corruption, as {t has been chi that parti controlling influence have bought up the stock of comparatively valueless lines at merely nominal figures, and oMcially turned the same over to the company at much larger gy and often at greatiy more than they were worth, to the great damage of the compauy and to the profit of the officers directly OF indireguly engaged wa the Wansaction.” At ore they | sent the com! has 3,462 atatt over! Sate = as Union, ex: nrolaand May Menioh, the 7 wee £550,000, or about six ceat on the capital stock. appears, contend that the Philadelpnia mode of valuation would. bp a lf tho pom. reny 0) Ne Peal property Sor ta ba} a jevtednéss, or if the exclusive privilege for which 80 a portion of this bg pape still continued to the company. 1 re ired, body put up lines and at eat, and the | an may more cheaply, the present poles,, wires ators now in use are gradually falling into docay, 42 opportunity to remark that ‘‘ osed arches of Ei jh liués the valuation for sir Aystem would be £11,200,000." It Is pointed out that the ing in this reapect 1s also decep- tive, sincd there Can be no just cogparison of tl lines of the Western Union Company with the Eng- Mish or European lines, the qualities of the wire, poles, insulators and other materials used io Ameria being very inferior. FRANCE. Father Hyacinthe’s Letter to the Bishop of Orleaue—A Thousand Letters of Approval a Day—His Case to Come Before the Coun- cil—-The Empress Sets Out for the East— The Mission to Russia—Burning of the Hip- podreme—Democracy Brewing a Storm. PaRIs, Oct, 2, 1860. The answer of Father Hyacinthe to the affectionate appeal of the Bishop of Orleans bas caused much satisfaction among the enlightencd members of the eclesiastical world in Paris. x The great proacher 1s at present residing with his brother, in the Avenue de Neuilly, No. 95, and has received as many as @ thousand letters of copgratu- lation and sympathy a day. He has helda long conference with the Archbishop of Paris, and, it ts sald, will be defended in the Council! at Rome by the Bishops of Chalons and Bayeux; also by the Arch- bishops of Avignon and Reims. Cardinal Matthew, the celebrated ex-Carmelite, on the other band, is appointed to combat the manifesto, Notwithstanding the immense opposition made to the Empress’ voyage in the East she left St. Cloud at half-past five, as was appointed. She was accom- panied to the station by the Emperor and the Minis- ters, even by those who do not approve of the excur sion, and in order to refute the rumors current respecting the coldness existing between the family of Prince Napoleon and herself she drove to Mendon to take leave of Princess Clothilde, and brought the Prince back in her carrtage to St. Cloud. The jour- ney, notwithstanding the Empress’ strict incognito through Italy, where sho will remain a few days, wlil cost 750,000 francs, including divers, by which is meant “presents.” A celebrated financier has chalked down the outiay day by day up to the moment of her Majesty’s return, Some conversation and malicious comment have arisen on the subject of Generali Fleury’s nomination as French ambassador to Russia, Hes thought un- fit for diplomacy, and this appointment ts attributed bo the necessity of his going through a Cabinet stage before he takes any part in the ministry nere, which, we are told, 18 to be an Ollivier Fleury one, Pansters call it “ollivier deurt,” or “palm blossom” in our dialect. end it be 80, after the late excitements, Added to the horrors of the Pantin murder,on which all the penny-a-liners are living, there has been an- other terrible incident near Paris. During the com- plete destruction of the Binrorens by tire the glow ‘was 80 intense that the Boulevards were lighted up by the flames as far as the Porte St. Martino, The in- tensity of the fire was increased by the proximity of Gandillot’s depot of féte decorations for the city of Paris. All the theatrical splendors of testive cele- brations are destroyed, and, being mostly of very thin pine wood, more or less covered With paint aud tar, lazed up with frightful rapidity. Tuousands of peo- lerose from their beds and Jelt their homes to see te Deoaso of the fire. It broke out at about eleven o’clocl The great question whether or not the Chambers are to be convoked for the 25tn is debated in private council. Ifthe prorogation lasts beyond that date pudlic opinion will express itself after its pecullar fashion in this capital. The storm is gathering in the provinces more threateningly even than in Paris. The flimsy pretence that the deputies cannot assemble in @ palace of which the roof is failing in Cannot be credited by the nation. S Marderous Assault at Pantin, Galignani's Messenger, of Paris, of the 2d of October, gives the following account of another murderous assault which occurred near Pantin, Paris:— A fresh crime was committed at Pgntin the evening before last. Two men had stolen a lez of mutton from @ small eating house and were making of with it, when another individual who had left the establishment at the same time and had observed the act, remarked to them that their supper would not cost them dear. ‘If you saw us,’ replied one of the thieves, ‘you shall not tell,” and drawing a knife he plunged it Into the throat of the stranger. The confederates then mauc oit, ‘The wounded wan is not expec! to recover. An Aristocrat Attempts Murder. The Paria Galignani of the 2d of October, sup- plies the following account of a gross attempt at deliberate murder, perpetrated, as aileged, by an aristocaat in Moravia:— An act of disgraceful ferocity has just caused the greatest excitement at Brunn (Moravia). Towards seven in the evening of the 2sth of September the people were returning from the races and a consiterable crowd had collected before ihe Neu- hauser Hotel, where most of the sportsincn had alighted. Among the spectators was M. Muller, a draper, with his wife and child. They were close to. the principal entrance to the buliding, when Count Henry Hornspech, brother of Count Hora- spech de Joslowitz, drove up. Muller's child was unfortunately in the Count’s way as he descended from his carriage, and Ingtegd of putting the ifitie boy gently aside tuo Count struck hil in the face witha whip. As the father came to his sou’s de- fence the Count said:—“Be quiet, clodhopper, or I will strike you.’’ An instant after the report of a pistol was heard and Muller fell, struck by a bali which had penetrated the head, entoring beneath the lefteye, The furious crowd immediately prepared to inflict Lynch law on the aggressor, and the Count was with great diiticuity rescued from its hands and conducted to prison. Hopes are entertained that Muller’s wound will not prove mortal, but he will probably lose Lila eye. Napoleon at Home—His Daily Life Routine. A Paris correspondent writes to the London Zele- graph under date of September 1 thus:. The Bmperor’s three favorite rooins at St. Cloud are tho brary, the shelyes of which are filled with 12,000 ‘volumes; the Salon de la Verit‘, where Charles X. heard the news of the revolution in 1830, and the Saton Rouge, formerly Napoleon I.’s library, His Majesty’s private apartments are most simple, and comprise @ bedroom,.a dressing room and a cavinet de travail, ‘the Emperor writes ona flat, mahogany table, of the empire style, placed in the middie of the room. His usual seat is a large, low-legged leather arm chair, nearly all the other seats in the very unpretending studio being chairs caned in Panama airaw. If it wore not for souvenirs of Napoleon I. and ee Hortense, no- body would suspect this of being the Emperor's cabi- net. His jesty indifferently uses quill or steel ae and while he writes, he scatters the residu of 1s cigarettes on the inkstand pas Pictures of the Empress and Prince imperial are placed on two amall easels on the writing table, and on each side of the chimneyplece two photographs of the same. The Empress and Prince enter the Emperor's room as soon as Felix, the first valet de chambre, has let them know that his master is up, which, just now, ig generally between seven and ‘eight A.M. At eleven A. M. breakfast 18 announced, after which their Majesties spend a few minutes in the drawing room, and then sepat to perform the duties of the day. They dine at seven, and taik over the incidents of the afternoon in the freest manner possible. If gome officer of the household mentions an accident as having occurred to any one in bad circumstances the Emperor at once gives orders for immediate inquiry and relief; and thus the Emperor and Aorpreas, without any ostentation whatever, do good in all sorts of ways. IRELAND. The British Channel Fleet at Cork-Earl Spencers Visit—Addrosses for Political Amnesty and Land Tenure Reform. A Dublin letter of the 28th of September in the London 7imes reports that the British Channel feet arrived at Cork harbor the day previous, after encountering a severe storm in the Bay of. Biscay. It conslats of the admiralty fagahip Agincourt, the Minotaur, Hercules, Monarck and Northumberland, The morning was fine and the harbor, filled with craft of various kinds, looked extremely animated. The fleet timed its arrival to do honor to the Lord Lieutenant, Earl Spencer, who paid his firet visit to Cork the same day, On the arrival of the train the Viceregai party found the Mayor and members of the Town Council in their 1obes, together with Lord Fermoy, Mr. Smith-Barry, M. P., aud @ number of other gentlemen, waiting on the platform to receive them, There was also @ large concourse of the pulace, who gave their Excellencies an enthuslas- tc cheer, The Mayor, on she part of the Corpora- tion, presented an address to the Lord Lieutenant, in which the foliowing sentences ocour:— However unwiili rude Ei sae rca ite pe, paca? 2 festive nature like the present, we on our i (oa?*on our bee to the caerings Wg aM H=4 wi had been were récelvin, stated sijeration. The vice és then drove inf. Pata, the Festdetice of pac . On Thursday their Excelienc.es wilt te iessborough park, the residence of the The Cork Farmors’ Club pera an address proving for the release of the Fenian peecners ond legisiation on the land question, which, while secur- ing a fair reat to the landlord, would enable whe tenante to live on their farms and not compel them to emigrate, The Irish Reply to Lord Hartington=Land- lord’s Rights. ¢ Duolin Freeman’s Journal of the 28th of Sep. tember devotes an artigle two columns long to a caustic criticism of Hartingtoh’s speech— icaids commented: on te seen teamprean pater ns 1 argument wi wtdtodies Ix Kislordsity teat tho laborers might injurtousiy affected by fixity of tenure, den! “Daseless apd unwarranted,” the Lnpasasion the remedies pro: by the Farmers’ Clab of Mua- ster would have the effect of robbing the land and thea sets out the following catalogue of what admits to be the rights of the landlord:. Tan of & ay Firt—The landlord has a might to get his rent as aj upon bewwoon himacif and his Wasnt af the tues and {a the proportions stipulated, Second—The landiord has a He to obtain as rent the seanty not including tho valuo of tbe. property of te anes fant, not including the value of roperty of incorporated with the holdin; “ Third—The landlord has wright to be secured the prospes- tive value of bis land aa created by any -aud every Oba local or general, which {a not produced by the expeaditure the tenant on the special holding. Fourth—He has a right to all mines and minerals, all royal- all manor et rights, precede. very claim other than the public claims Feferred to, and that no common, creditor shall wrany con- trivance be able to take the produce of the land‘uniil the rent of the land out of which it was produced shall have been paid or suificiently secured to the ‘landiord who supplied fhe land out of which that produce was extracted by the an ey ‘Siath—The landlord hase right that his security for the due payment of the stipulated rent shall not be diminished by the sub-letting or subdivision of the land, and the consoqt plucing of the claims to sustentation of other families of Cuitivators out of the special lot ia priority to his claims for his rent. Seventh—The landlord has a sieht to reclaim the occupant on the tenant not being reasonably, punctual in the payua of his rent, or onthe tenaut sub-letting or subdividing the holding, afd thereby depriving the owner of the socurity for is rent, on the fail arent on the faith of which he hired out bis land. sua Ki i—Having rega he ordinarily recognize of landed property, landlord very reasons ly claims pre-emption right to the occupancy of any portion of his producing land, om his making Zull compensation to tenant for all beneficlal improvewents in or on the soll, a 8 occupancy, after the manner observed under the Rallway Clauses acts with regard to ten- ants of lauds and tenants of houses in which traders carry on business. It chalienges Lord Hartington to show that any one of these claims wou!d be injuriously affected by the programme of the Munster Farmers’ Club, whfch it puol/sies as foliows:. That the tenant of land dedicated to agricultural and inoome producing purposes by the Jandiord should, have a right of right of fixed and “continuous occupancy” so Jong as he jed rent with due punctuality ; agrees to pay: @ of rent calculated on the increased value of tho {and apart from his own capital, as tested by the local vices of produce; abstains from sub-dividing or sub-letting fhe holding without the aasent in writing of the owner or his prewentatives; gives free acope to the owner for the ‘of all manorial rights and royalties; recognizes the re-entry for non-payment of rent, and recognizes mption right as vested in the landlord, should any cause, fm oF caprice, induce him to desire the resump- tlon of the holding, on his paying the full value of the ‘‘com- Lignous occupancy right” aud all improvements mado by the jenant. It asks, do the landlords want to increase their rents, to bave an “eviction screw” in their hand: to control the minds, the bodies, the very souls their tenuntry, and if not, what more can they de- mand than they would enjoy under the programme? The Freeman adds the SIO observations:— ‘Had Lord Hartington spoken as the Cabinet Minis- ter of the Queen, We would ask him is there nothing due to the Throne, and is it not the daty And the interest of all who value the peace of society to sac- rifice something of the feudal dignity of owning serfs, if by doing 80 they could create a protective force of 600,000 men, who, having property secured to them by law, would become most earnest de- fenders of that social order upon which the security of property depends. Old Alsop was a wise old man. Let the Irish landiords learn a lesson from him, and beware lest like his dog they may not in their greed to devour the shadow of feudal authority lose the substance of their hts of property, which ali tor recognize and sustain invio- ree are desirous to ate. The Wexford Board of Guardians, presided over by Lord Granard, have passed @ resolution in favor of asetudement of the land queatign. Other publio bodies have also agreed to petition Pardament on the subject. WALES. Agitation for Radical Reform—The State Church Condemned. In Wates the liberal members for the county and borough of Denbigh, Mr. Osborne Morgao and Mr. Watkin Williams, addreased an enthusiastic meeting of thelr supporters and constituents at the Town Hall on the 30th of September, the chair being occa. pled by Mr. Thomas Gee, Mr. Osvorne jan, after giving an account of his stewardship, spoke upon the subjects of education, the land tenure of Ireland and the ballot, all of which measures he be- lieved woula be brought in and carried the next session. (Applause.) Mr. Watkin Williams spoke mainly on the question of the Welsh Church, contrasting it with that of the Irish establishment, He viewed the putting an end to tnat Church as an act of justice, and he earnestly believed that the present government, a honesty, would mete out the same meas of to Walesa. The Church was now the Church of the aristocracy; tt had signally sailed, ood justice demanded that it should cease to exist. Wales was not powerful enough, nor had she the means, to losist upon her rig its; but as she only wanted Jus tice, aud justice alone, she wou'd have an oppor- tuuity of seeing whether Parliament was willing to do unto her as had been done to ireland. Mr. Wil- liams then replied to the objections watch has been made to bis bringing forward the motion, He told them to-night, aud told them honestly, he had no desire to havo the glory of leading in this matter. He was perfectly content for them to select the m: whom they thought better for the task than anotuer, to bring it forward, and would give up bis pl altogether. Perhaps he could better support tue motion than bring it forward, a3 that was more jn Now, ag to the time of bringing it fer- his line, fe was'his judgment, and ceria was Te Magment thd? ie lime was come vias Ty forward, (Applause.) Some had thought it would have been better to walt till some other great questions were got out of the way. He beggea to differ from those who enter- tamed that opinion. Probably it would nos be carried—very likely mot—but he had no more notion that 1t would be carried before the ballot, the education and the Irish land schemes than he had of going to the moon. (Laughter.) But if they stayed until allof those questions were out of the way ,they would be too late then. (Ap- plause.) Start the pall first, and when those matters had been cleared out of the way there was some chance that they might step in with this measure, (Applause,) Mr. Williams then ailuded to the letter of a correspondent in one of the papers. stating that. the matter would be soon taken out of his hands, and in reply he said he should be deiighted to think _ the matter had become of euch importance aa to compel others more able to take 1t out of hia hands. No great measures had ever been carried without such force from the country, which compelled the govgrament to feel the necessity of passing it. Now, @ ahouid like them to remember what he was golag todo. He was not going to bring in @ bill. The subject must be discussed for years; it must be turned upside down, to see what solid stuf remained. They must kiok it about as much as they could before a bill could be brought in. What he proposed doing was to bring the subject before Parliament and the pubilo; but the particular form of his motion was not so important, go long as the measure was only brought forward ‘for discus- sion, He next spoke of the right of Parliament to deal with State aids and endowments, maintaining that all such aids and endowments, and all property whatsoever that was inailenably attached to any corporation, was roe or State property, and Par- lament had aright to dis it. Be then pro- ceeded to argue that the Welsh Chu! i jo ot entirely different position to the English Chi from btn sue frisu Church did. There Was not im this couatry that animosity and antagonism towards the Church on the part of Nonconformists as there was between the Protestants and Roman Catholics of Ireland. He had no desire to destroy or to anal. hilate the Church in any way. The chu of Corlst in Wales formed a venerable institut! Which bad existed hundreds of years before it di in England. The ancient Britons had em! Christianity in the year 166. But since then thiags had altered, The Church was not now the Charen of the people, as every man who walked could see. Qo to any village in the Principality, and what did they find? Inevery une they would come across chapels, and how was that? Because the church was the church of the aristocracy, It was not any antagonism of Papists or Protestants, as in Ireland, that waa the caase of it, but it was evident some grievances of a deeper type lay at the bottom of tt. (Applause.) The Church had had babat conceivable chance @ Church could have to a B failed, But why had it failed? He answered the question in this way—by its alliance with the State. (Applause.) Ife was firmly convinced that, and that alone, Was the cause of it. Having farther eni: on the question of tithes, &c., Mr, Williams said that with the surplus which would be derived from tue Welsh Church, which amounted to somethi like £100,000 per annum, he should make @ graut to the Dew university at Aberystwith, and throw it open to every person in te ane el Independent of their retigtous professions, He then quoted statis- tics, pointing Out the vast preponderance of Non- conformists over Churchmen in the Principality, and concluded by arguing that everything was favorable to the disestabiisimcnt and the disendow- ment of the Church. He resumed lis seat amid loud and continued