The New York Herald Newspaper, October 16, 1869, Page 4

*, EUROPE. ae The Papal Council, the Papal Exchequer and Catholic Contribullons. Magnificent Present from the King of Prassia to the Vatica The Sickles Negotiations and Notes in Madrid. French Approvals of Father Hyacinthe’s Position. By mati from Europe at this port we have our spe- clal correspondence aud newspaper reports tn Inter- eating detail of our cable telegrams to the 2d of October, A Paris correspondent of the London Star, writing on the evening of the Ist of October relative to the Pantin murders, says: Some fresh light has been thrown on the Pantin tragedy. A body which there 13 every reason to believe is that of Kinck senior has been found near Guedwiller, the piace to which it is peileved that he ‘Was enticed by ‘Traupmann, and from whence tho first fictitions letters addre-sed to the murdered woman were posted. nore 1s, therefore, now no evidence that Yraupmann had any accomplices, although it appoars uniikely that be could have committed so many murders without assistance. Tho younger Kinck was at first supposed to have been in some Way an accomplice in the sclieme (whatever it was) by which Traupmann hoped to promt; but 1% appears almost certain that ho ‘Was only @ bilud instrament In the hauda of ‘Traupmann. ROME. 4 Hard Cash Estimate of Pio Nono—“Peter'’s Pence”—Prassian Policy Towards the Moly See—Spanish Politicselics and Remi« miscences of Ancient Rome. Rous, Sept. 23, 1869. If public or rather universal esteem is to be measured by pecuntary offerings, there was never such a general iavorite a3 Pina IX, The money poured out of Catholic purses into his ex quer, espectaliy during the last ten years, has been tinea culable, and the most organized form of contribu- tion has certainly been that of the obolo di San Pietro, alias “Peter's pence.” The Abbé Damax has written a history of this ancient tax inflected on Christendom, and ita voluntary revival in ofr day: first in 1842, when the Pope fea to Gaeta, aud after- wards to enable him to carry ou his government when deprived in September, 1859, of tie rich pro- vince of Romagua and subsequently of those of Marca, Umbria and Sabina. ‘The originators of this fdea are asverted to have been tae Bishop Orleans, in 1809, and the Catholics of the United States in the mouth of Febraary of (he same year, ‘who drew up and subinitted to their bisiops a cir cular containing the following passage ne cttt- zons of the United States must uot limit th ves to a demonstration of sympatty—we think that the association of tho Obolus-ot St. Peter might be _Te-establisued.”” The association was ta fact organ- Imod, and atiatued ita full development in 1562, sinc @ when it has given progressively increasing resuita. The King of Prussia continues vw couuet with the Pope in @ manner which must excite the Jealous ptivilities of the French Emperor. [iis Majesty, having been recently informed that his Holiness bad ordered a inagaificeut carpet at Berlin for the floor of the counci: hail, requested to be allowed to sustain the expense of it, The Pope repiied in terms of gratitude for the King’s generosity, in memorial of which he hoped that the Hotenzollern arms would be Worked beside tiose of the Mastal-Verretit in tne centre of the carpet. It will be curious to see the escutcheon of the principal Protestant sovereign of the Continent thus figuring tu the midst of the assembled fathers of the Koman Church. It ig Stated that we are to have as spanish Minister here tne ex-member of the Cabinet, Sedor Loren- wana, Who 1a not likely to mect witha very warm reception at the Court of Rome on account of some violent articles against the Ecumeuical Council signed by him asd published in a review of last year. Meanwhile we bave a special Envoy from Spain in the person of Sefor Meilan y Caro, a high employe of the Ministry of Public Worship, Who tus come to obtain irom the Pope authorization to sub- mit the Spanisn bishops to Lie fame oah of a giance to the government as that administered to preiates in France on taking and contained in te 8 between the lioly See auc No such precaution was tas: Queen Isabelia in drawing up Qs it was never supposed thy 3 hostile to her diguity. Th rt of the present Spanish government has been suggested by ‘the hostiic attitude of a constderavie portion of te clergy and (he active war waged aby paris rests against the present reg ict Where Spanish con bishops cou arlist (Tae /tums aud ve all The Minisier of Woranip, Zoriila, has issued a ctr- cular to ail {he bisuops ul the penine ia, requesting them to resirnin their cl rebel bands, and has mentioned dog coacords Envoy, after nelll, ‘enteriains Lopes concession. Prince Oino, brother of the re fia, arrived in Ron Napies, and hada f ‘ at the Vatican, on Mouday morntug. Highness had only three days’ ionizing ia left yesterday morniag for Vioreuce. Siglitseers in the environs continue to labor nnder the difficulty of brigands. A German geutieman au’ his wife were rob! by four bandits on Sune between (ranscati and Yusculum. Subterranean Kome—if | may so c: of ancient rains existing under t continues to furnish foteresting result vators, especially 01 that portion of the Palati hii belonging to the Emporor Napoleon. A swim Ming bath, or tank, bas been reveaied there, in a holiow between two excavations, near which a series of chambers, with reuculated walls, decorated with encaustic ‘paintings, have been uncovered. These decoratious are well drawn and briliianvy colored, comprising mythological subjects, hippo- griifes, geuu, candelabra, birds, vases and festoons Of flowers. In one room is represented Polyphemus pursuing Galatea, who, leaving Acis, plunges into @ river on horseback, eccompanied by two nymphs, ayimonug, On anoiher wail of the same room is painted Jo, the rivalof Juno, bound toa rock and favpre by Argus, toward whom Mercury 13 cautious- juiming Carlisi Weyoustions 1 Of the exist- tis Bpanisit h Cardinal Anto- wing the desired approaching With a sword, 8 to be remarked that in these paintings the poetic tradition has not been observed, which gives only one eye to Polyphe- mus and @ hundred to Argus. These rooms are beivg covered in, anc the paintings are being var- Nished with & preservative chemical preparation, They belonged probably to the house of Augustus, or that of Tiberias, and were bullt over, like tac baths of Livia, when Domitian re-erected the palace On & higher level, after ite partial destruction by Ore. In digging for the foundations of a louse opposite the hospital of the Trinidad det Pellegrini an ancigat building has been discovered, with remnants of decorative paintings, and @ mosaic pavement repre- senting Mercury with the Caduceus aud a nymph With the Cornucopie in the middie, and four ake @orical beads of the seasons In the corners, GERMANY. Religious Movements—Catholle Unions at Duss seldorf — Orthodoxy Predominaut — strong Resolations—Baden and Catholicisui—Clois- ters nud MonasteriesActivity of the JeauiteHorr Muhlor Contra Protestants Trouble tu Store for Him. BERLIN, Sept. 30, 1369, The recent meeting at Dusseldorf of the German Catholic Unions was attended by nearly 1,200 mem- bors, comprising the clergy and laity. At the firat General Assembly, @ public one, which had attracted ®@ large audience, including jadies, a Baron Von Bechoriemmer delivered an address in favor of Rome. Tho Popo, he said, needed money and soldiers. While tn Florence they were hard at work printing Bank notes no dificulty had been experienced tn nes sge 4 ae at been fowing plentifally, njoyed # universal credit, while Italy, ‘with her Rega ertuomo, bad not Sveteded, bo el Vatican, bat bay descended to the Pantheow of Buropean DAK. Hoy, Ialy had more soldiers then the Pope #9 Ma the devii—but the Pope had more prayers. (Chef 3.) The next apeaker, Professor Sepp, of Muntch, %ox up the social question, ana tried to show 8) tng progress of the ago was due to the Wiinity, ‘They had done much to improve | We iaition of the laboring classox. Butall the | M%ey had gone to the Jews, aud they were tne “rat onomies of tho Catholic Oharch. As the andi. | began to show i‘ Tequeated the ns of impatience the Presl- to close, which he did by saying:—“I recommend to the laborers economy and self-aid. We have fourteen saints In the caten- dar, but we want one for the working clas Per- haps it will be given us by tho HowPenloa! Counctt, viz., the maxim, ‘Help Yourself and God will help you.’’’ OM@ Shéaker, from Kombay, gave a descrip tion of India and the trouble and victories of the Church there, The next meeting, which was not public, occupied itself with the press, and discussed ste) to be taken against some opposition journals, It was dually agreed to drop the matter Allogether, which was Also doug Wi @ proposition to instruct Cathoio Journalists how to meet attacks against the faith, A mouon by Professor Kluge, of Vieona, to send & card to the Bishop of Lints in approvation of bis valorous conduct was adoptea. More than 4,000 persons attended the General As- sembly on the evening of the same day. The topics were Catholic literature and social matters. A cler- gymau from St. Gatien, Switzerland, delivered greet- ings from the Pius unions, and requested assistance ja obtaining for Switzerland a@ new saint, by name Nicholas yon der Fluhe, assuring his audience that the Swiss Would not shrink from the dogma of tho Hioly Puther’s infallibility, Though the proceedings on the day following were not public it became kuown that in regard to the Ecumenical Council the following resolutions had been agreed to: First.—We look upon the ensuing Council with unlimited confidence and accupt iis resolutions unconditionally. Seconds —W, Whose highost ambition is the defence of the ‘auy aud every worldly interference xpect that sovereigns and gov- p ny act which might encroach upon the Mberty of ad its resolutions. From this you will percetve that the orthodox tn the assembly had it all their own way. Violent Speeches were made against non-Catholics, the fatth- ul were called upon to vindicate the Independence of the Church, Russia was condemued for her brutal conduct towards the Poles, who are good Catholics, In memory of tho heroes of Mentana a Jund was raised for an orphan asylum, and the lave aifuir of the nun at Cracow was declared too insig- nificant fur the consideration of the meeung. On the last day an ousiaught was made by Dr. Lindaa upon the Baden government for its lnke- wirmuess towards Catholicism. At the request of the President, Prince Lowenstem, the assembly rose in order to show thelr indignation at the conduct of the Baden government. A communication made by the Archbishop of Cologne to the effect that the German bishop had resolved to establish a Catuolic uulversity at Fulda, and raise funas for that pur- pose throughout the country, was received with applause, At the banquet which followed Baron You Loe proposed a toast to the Pope, saying:—""Tile German heart 1s not ouly Christian, but Catholic, aud not only Catholic, but ultramontane, This was proved by the late jubilee of Pius {X., at ome, where, On & small gallery, dressed in spieudid aot forins, LWo men had been seated; they Were the spe- cial delegates of Prussia and Bavaria, drawn luther by ultrauiontane power. In times gone by the Ger- mau Emperors led thetr hosts to Rome, whue at end their rulers to the footsteps of (Vehement cheers.) The terms ontaue were to-day synony- atory te wis Were sent to the viigier. One gentleman present 1,500 ti to the au Institute, and Sums Were coutribuled to the exchequer We lave to note lurther a great activity of the Chur i 1 in ihereasing Its religious estabiishments 1 and throughout Germany, namely, tue ere: 4 clolsters and monasteries, W i, OL ded jor the barefeet Car Wemeu of Jesus, are belay ¢ le, requiring several year d estimated to cost a qiarter of a mil- ol Rich orthodox Polish families of Pach SUYSerived sums of upwards of . Lven trom tue Daaubian principal ties we hear of heavy acquisitions or land made by the Jesuits lor the purpose of establishing in Molda- via aud Wallaciia several convents of the Sisters of tue oly Heart, fhe strength of the orthodox party in Prussia, aud especially in this city, has become such that only the day beiore yesterday they suc- cceded ia breaking up, by riotous condact, a public meeung couvened for tue discussion of tue Moabite cloister question, Todo this they were douotiess emboldened by the friendly sympatnies shown them by Herr von Muhier and his department. Littie is heard of Opposition among the Itberal Catholic clergy In the Rheaish provinces, The jour- hal Wayudercr asserts that the clergy in Bohemia are opposed to the infallibility doctriae, from the pro mulgation of which they apprehend serious dan- gers. Their synods are said to have opposed on the gcoWnd tuat tae Council of ‘Treat had setiled the question—the further discussion of the bodily ascen- sion of the Virgin, her corporal condition, &c., and to have demanded the removal! of certain matri- woutal restricuons, varticipation of laymen tu cure matters, reduction of tithes and non-iater. ference with schools and science. On the who.e we do not believe in any serious opposition of theclergy to Whatever the bishops may dictate, and as fur as the goveruments are concerned in the forthcoming Couucil itis the generat and weil founded opinion tuac they will quietly look oa and aduere to “mas- terly inactivity.” In the case of the Protestant Unions of Germany, to be convened ou the Sd, 6th and 7th of October in tus city, the High Consistory has given its inal decision, denying them the us? of several churches for worshipping and holding meetings. It will be recollected that the Berlin Common Council and the trustees lad offered these churches to the Pro- testant Unions, and (at the provincial consistory of Brandenburg had interposed a veto. An appeai to the High Consistory resulted only in approval of the latter decision, whica niy charged the Protestaut Unious with ten- es destructive of true Evaagelic doctrine. ‘a bas the Common Council appealed and staved tbat such rigid intolerance was coatrary to Evangell- cal spirit and would not oniy iucrease the prevatiing igious indifference, but drive intelligent and pious members out of the h. So much 13 certain, that tue destructive te: spoken of cannot be sub- stantiaved, othe: ir. Mubler and the Sigh Con- sistory would have come down upon the libe' Protestants with a high band and demounced ihem othe State Attorney. We have sald before that we nom tie drift of tae government of Prussia penly favoring the Koman Ca vrotestants, It is boun Anniversary of the Revolution at Madri Seecial Herald Telegrams aud Their Exp natious-General Sicklos and the Caban Qnestion-Bewiidering State of the Diplo- matic CorpsSickie# Diplomncy--Paul Ss. ‘Turas Out to be a Diplomat—The can Insurrection, MADRID, Sept. 29, 1 time completes a full cycie since the revo- rn Of last year came to Madrid and intoxicated all the people with bright visions of iberty, individual rights aud the many privileges that fall to the lot of a well-governed aud free country. To-day, there- fore, the first anniversary of the laudea revolution, each journalist casts @ retrospective glance at the days that have gone and begins to reckon up how many of the happy auguries that were cast then, just twelve months ago, have come to pass. Your corresondent likewise very natu- rally opens an annual volume of tne cial, dated September 23, 1968, and what a difference between then and now. words which strike your attention are “ “sourea I? “Libertad |? “Individual Rights ! tional Sovereignty Live Forever!” in great primer type. I look at to-day’s Imparcial and find the fol- lowing:—‘'The Rising at Barceloua,” “The Taragona Assassination,” “anishment of General Bias Pierrad and his Brother, Genera! Ferdinand Pierrad, to the Canaries,” “Minister Sagasta’s Prohibitory Decree,” “Protesta of the People,” ‘Digarming the Volun- teers,” “Disturbances at Jerez,” “The Republicans Censure the Government for Unconstitutional Acta,’’ che War in Cuba.” ‘This much ts the difference betwoen then and now. Not one of the bright fore- casts of political seers have been fulfiied, and the law and the propheta have been and are set at naught, What has been done is the least minimum of good and the greatest maximum of evil. Spain is plunged millions more of reals in debt, over 10,000 soldiers have lost their lives in a Cuban war and some hundreds in Peninsular epidemic revolutions; at Malaga, Cadiz, Jerez, and lately at Barcelona by republiows, and throughout Spain by the Carlists, though the government always deny that they have lost a man. Over twenty generals have been semt to Cuartel barfacks atthe Canary Islands, which means that they have been banished. Kepublicaa demonstrations have beon pronibiced this week by Sagasta; no more clubs, no more cries rive la Republica, nO more speech making in the streets by Casteiar and tus liberty-loving confreres, ho more processions, no more republican banoers— 80 decress Sagasts, Minister of tho Interior, Isonomy i8 prohibited at Saragossa, Barcelona, | Cadiz, Maiaga, and all Anaalusia. Isabeilino theories and Gonsaiez Bravo abuses are all the vogue at present; the repul tonists ere to be deported bodily tv the Canaries uniess they enlist for Caba, and the monarchical union ts on the eve of dissolution. So much as related above 1s the result.of one year. As I have kept you pretty well posted in all’ concerning Spain, your readers may draw wise inferences from the many scores of chap- ters sent to you since the 29th September, 1508. Sunday last sent you @ apectal telogram thus Impar- finds to General Sickies’ nove very courteously, and pro- mise reparation; they confess the war in Cuba has not been conducted humanely; they offer excuses ita kind intervention; but it is not known whether Spain accepts or rejects if. The probability is Spain has not answered the tnvervention clause, and it ia believed General Sickles will withdraw his note If it is not answered shortly, as it 1s not becom- ing the dignity of a great nation like America to walt long for a reply to such courteous letters, Paul 5. Forbes arnyed at Madrid (his morning.” Another despatch was sont to you last night con- wrewenl piiuation of te souewing: "Tae worded:—“The government of Spain has respondea | Yor the mhumanity, and thank America for proger- | Spain ta that Barcelona ts qulet, but the netghbor- od 8 in a ferment, Four hundred republican nsurrectionists are at Mauresa. Andalusia 1s laa dangerous state, and tmauy promiueat republican leaders bave left Madrid for that province, Tilngs at Suragossa, Malaga, Cadiz aad Jeres are doub:ful, ‘The raliway end the telegraph wires have been cut at six different places between Madrid and Bareg: | 1 lona, ‘The presidents of thg yepultds4 Tabs nave been debating to-day upde tie late prolibilory decreo of Soiur Se7isia, Minister of tho Intorior, apa o) fave agrocd that the decree 1s eminently Suconstitutionai, anid have censured the measure strongly. To-morrow at Madrid 1s pregnant with danger, The candidature of the Duke of Geuoa ts trmphing, Tae Duke is studying Spanish at Lake Como, Generfl Sickies has not yet withdrawa his noe These two last telegrams roquire amplification from me, which | will proceed to give, though they contain tho exact summary of what tuterests the world, and whatever I shall say, be it remembered, L speak of certainites; so frat 1 suall commence With General Sickles’ note, ‘The substauce of General Stickies’ nore to the gov- ernmeut of Spain has been sen) to you m a more reliavle way than to any other party ourside of the Spanish and American governments, Lf it contalned any more than what I sent to You Lam ignorant of the fact, though every ove who could give the least information about tie note has beea badgered more than enough, Buti can say with confidence that the very contorted statements sent to the London press by the English correspondents are perfectly uureitabie and uatrustworthy, and the free quent views of we Spanish press upon that remarkable note are equally untrust- worthy, We at Madril receive telegrams from New York almost daily saying that tue government and the American press Nave censured tl conduct of General Sickles, and that it is stated in America that che General has exceeded ostruciious, This 4s childish aud absurd in the extreme, for the General, were ke & Cuban, could not have exceedéd the spirit of his instructious. Secretary Fish in per- son could not baye carried out bis own ideas and thoughts poe the subject more iiterally and faith. fully than Minister Sickles has done, and that he has used too sirong es A bf to the Spanish govern- Ment mray be discredited from the tact tuat sume clauses of the note have beea replied to by this gov- erument with all courtesy, Witt mauy thanks lor tae friendly interest the United States have taken in Spanish affairs, My opinion ts, also, that Spain has declined in tho Same kmd tone the friendly interventi of tne United States, for te is bus natural lo assume Unat uf the Spanisi governtment 1eplied to some clauses they woud reply to all, and tus Opinion is streugthenet by the fact that the goverument, seemingly having got rid of this difficulty, lmimediateiy turned their attention With Increasy zy bu ule despacci, of reinforcements to Ou ‘This Opiaion is my own, unauthorized, aly, but one cuunot witi- 3 WO May see Bud Words O8 aera, Again, | Know it Jor a Sickle’ intentioa 13 ty withdraw the nolo if the intervention cinuse 13 not replied to shoruy; but chis latter may be but aa expression to Ward Ow r wity wiready taken place If newspaper meu aro uid of Luc @rplomade aud Spain, tho Air. Feeach, a pS are 110 ess #0. WAgares Woud gv at has been golng Ou vs ul, poor 1 penny to know w: eral Sickies aud Spal the dork and 1s Qounder Q ment, and 13 listening wad eyciag ever for {ear someting el4e migie be means b acttally seen or leard. dear sir, all these trely wnfounded—uise and enureiy. she Um Cuba may go to ulter durcness for all ment cares about that island. diy note simple, conrieous reuons P baric cede of laws witea prevails ol Uist at isle. Nothiag tore, that and novia may be pardoned tor assuming Swkles replisd to lim ta just yet poor Brilisi-Frencn 13 ‘ex’ doubts, yet b ; believes, yet doant of bimsvif, “Wnat’ ts a do’ called i deplouaso lexicography?” 13 1t punishable by tae Divine or such moral laws ina diplomat to say “Yes" or “No"t to facts quite the reve Mr. Kuitor, can you auswer that question? Cau a dipioa st say “Yes,” biunwy, when it siould have bes: ‘No’? according to the laws of truta’ and can you teil the diploimauc Britisher Where a diplomat will go if Ge tells a pian downrigut —. Not only 13 Mr. French wandering in this Stygian darkness and unexpiored reaims, woere ail bs an- certain, vague, indistinct and shadows, but Baron Mercier 13 at a loss to know what is In the wind, The questions he asks are: “Hag that God for da— Ambassaaeur Americain been tryiug to buy Cuba, or What? Haye the Spauisa goverumeut retused to hegotiate, et, Goa lor d— Yankeo; Vat sail I Know, vat sail I say?” Some people know the value of the monosyllable ‘No,’ aud some persons do not, and among the litter you may number diplomats, ‘To make the subject of the negotiations more mys- terlous, express apeed comes aul S. Forbes, whose Tame Was lately used freciy tn connection with the Cuban quesuon. Verily, no oue Will answer yes to my questions, but all’ wil say ‘no,’ freely, and neither can one discern what is going on. How- ever, I heard yesterday from a person connected with the Spanisn government that Paul S. Forbes did have sometuing to do with the Caban question, and (uat he tried to buy it for the Cuoan Junta of New York. That, being “a well knows man ia New York,’ of an imposing presence. rich, 1adueatial, Known to General Sickles and General Prim, the Cubans had asked hii to offer $150,000,009 for Cuba. Now, I rub my hands and exclaim Oueno, caval ero, por Dios, give us mi once staré the ball of suspicion, give @ clue, To streagt these clues and hints here are further evideaces, General Sickles introduced Mr, Paul %& Forbes to the f at La Granja. Why did pot Gevcral itroduce another Americana gentleman who was there? Why did he not take, of the half score of American citizens then at Madrid some otger maa equally rich, influential, a8 well kuowa as Paul S. Ferves? Why did Paul prbes seek tao ike. face uaintance and that écial which comes of being introduced by an ambassador of General Sickies’ well Known reputauioa? Why did Paul 3. Forbes, at various other times, seek Priin’s com. pany, breakfast, dine with him, talk, take counsel wich him? Why does Paul S, Foroes cone period! cally to Madrid—oi iy April, next in May, ne tu June? And now be comes here again swift ou the | tracks of General Prim. Lastiy, if Mr. Porbes has nothing to do with tue Cubau begollation, why does he not deny it a3 publicly a3 iL Was asserted? Wherefore we must ail coucliide that Vaul 3 Forbes, wealthy geuticman of New Yo. rto following mercantile g, has in | er days, towards decline of his life, diplomat of uils at Hong tue by no n of American diplomacy ¢ has paid too much n to the universal downright “a0.” Following Mr. French's style, 1 look askant, and see enough ia It ail to make a deciaration to you twat Pant S. Forves ¢ | unjust, has come back to Madrid to renew tho negotiations to purehuse Cuba, on behalf of the Cuban Junta of |, New York, for a #uim Of $10,099,000 oF $150,000,000, Now, about the present situation in Barce- | Jona and almost ali Catalonia are ia a Jadiz is | rife for insurrection, Jezex ts agitated, Malaga pro- | poses to rebel and Saragossa {sin dager. ‘Lroops | are being constantly despatened to ail the vul ble points of the Peninsula, Madrid being pre by the fourteen or fifteen loyal batts teors under Kivero, At satadell th ore 70) surrect Mauresa had 40 reil Lad 600. These cities are in Vataio: ho communication be: en Madrid and way of Saragossa, for the railroad has bee up in several places between Lerida aud th Barcelona. Passengers bound for the jatver cl miust take the cireaitons route via Malaga, Alica and Tarragona. We are in hourly ex hearing that Andalusia has risen, that Cans of Eatramadura have taken the feld, gon has declared for the repablic. ‘The official organ, the Gacela, publishes nothing, except enough w prove that what it says is an untruth, and nothing govermental can be reiled on. Jar there nave only 1,600 troops been sent to Cuba, and no more will go fur the present. Madrid bust waits to hear news of one republican victory to rise against tue government, Never waa it in such imminent dan- wer, and the present state of agitauon that reigns Uiroughout the Peninsula has been created by tie very r a4 and widelivate way the republican voluntecrs have been treated sluce Prim’s return from Paris, luis thought here that Napoleon III. promptea Prim to this action, having declared that Spain could never prosper if the government permitted tie republicans to pi ‘andize their political tenets without censure or ark. Hence it is that the Minister of War was 40 arbitrary to General Pierrad, the republican volunteers and Selior Casteiar, When the Cortes opens the republican Deputies wiil charge the government with arbitrary conduct, pass @ vote of censure and withdraw to take the fleid. ‘There ss nothing more to add to my letter upon the battle of Barcelona, as it was more complete than Teport yet received at Madril, except that the artillery were employed for two bours demolishing ys before the assault, fue government expects an outbreak to-day io Madrid, and the troops are being heid Peat ir it. Demonstrations of the different political parties take place to day In honor of the anniversary of the revo. ation at Madrid last year. The public edifices wore Hiuminated last night, and will be to-nignt The Discusston alone, of all the papers of Madrid, Advises the government ty accept the friendiy medi: ations of the United States government, and deciaré Most emphatically that General Sickles has nm withdrawa his pote, but thathe will withdraw tt if it 18 not answered stiortly, ‘The President of the | Cortes convoked a meeting of all the journalista of Madrid spevattige d and Informed them that the Ame- rican Minister bad withdrawn his note; hence the einplatic denial of the Discussion, This is anew Addition to the mystery in Which this note is in ved. What the Mayor of Madrid (Kivero) and the President of the Cortes (Which two ofllccs are blended inone aud the same person) can have to do with Sickles’ note cannot be guessed, and why be should cali the journalists together and'tell them what Gea eral Sickles emphatically denies cannot ve ex plained. T have at the very latest moment received a tele- gram from Barceiona in which 1 is said that the Insurrection continues and disaffected republicaus ave assembling in Ue mountains. Great agitation exists at Valladolid, No matis have arrived from Barcelona since the 26th. A battalion of troops left here at noon for the defies of Despenaperros, A regt- ment of engineeers will leave to-night for Catalonia, A strong republican force is within a mile dud a half of the city of Barcelona. ihe troops have revarned to Barcelona without daring to attack them, War Juuias beve boon formed ia | trang | part and not to have 1 | mye 4 | 14,000 men are out of employment at Barcelona, and tt ts st ppoeed: these men wil join with the republicans. Se: or lgiesing, the now Gov. ernor of Barcelona, who left Madrid Monday morn- ing, has not been able to reach bis pos, owing to the interruptions of the ratirvad, The telegraphs belng cus Lye government are in ignorance of what patted ‘at Barcelona. All the militia of Spain will be required to awear fidelity at once to the con- stitution, ENGLAND, The Fenian Prisoners—An Amnesty Procla- mation Foreshadowed—Tho Oxford aud Har vard Kace—Loring’s Perploxity, Lonpon, Oct. 2, 1809. An energetic movement is at present on foot, both in England and Ireland, to secure tho pardon of the Fenian prisoners held in custody by the Britlgh goy- ernment, and a goucral amnesty for politicul ofences bids fair to become before long an important plank in the platform of the Irish, if not of the whole libe- yal party. Up toa comparatively recent period the effort was confined to those Who sympathized with. the objects of Fenianism, even if some of them did not approve of all ita acts; but the magnitude and character of the latest meetings give evidence that the circle is widening, and that tt already Luciudes many who cannot be suspected of favoring any such liberation of Ireland as that contemplated by the secret brotherhood, Somo of these are doubtless influenced by @ soldsh desire to secure a certain notoriety to subserve thelr personal ends, and some by the worthier motive of humanity; but the greater number have in view the steady prosecution of a-new policy for Ireland; a radical change in the system of governing that portion of the United Kingdom which not only contemplates justice for tne future, but atonement for wrongs in the past. Indeed, there is good ground for stating that tue present British goyernment views with no unfriendly eye the proper agitation of a politioal Jail delivery, aud receives with sansiaction those peti- tons for the pardon of the Fenians that are couched in a becoming tone, The liberation of ail political prisoners would bo an act by which Messrs. Glad- stone and Bright would willingly distinguish their administration, and they witness with regret the meonslerate violence of those would-be heroes whose tucendiary language only throws embarrass- menisin the way of the pardon of their fellow countrymen. Itis by no means creditable to Eng- land, with all her boasted streagth, to keep a handful of irish insurgents imimured in her dungeons while the French Emperor, whose political tnsecarity she ta lof picturing, throws open the prison doors iers, Independent of this con- ', the reloase of the Fenians is taut pare of the programine laid isloue th iis treatment of the Irish ‘tue measure he has already carried question, through, and those by which it 1s to be followed, navaral trange from him the hitherto leading clemer irish politics, Protestanusin and 1 lordisim, aud be must ook elsewhere for stren and support in tuat portion of the kin to Seed his new irlends among the Roman and the tenantry, and as they are by mil i numerous he has only to disen*hrall them (row the tyranay of the Coureh and the landowners and he becoines ail powerful in treland, The Church is already detaroned, and the reiga of landiordism is drawing to 4 close, bul the wound of Fenian imprison- ment cannot be left to rankle aad lester in the breast of the liverated nation. ‘To make Mr, Giadstone’s trie umph secure it should be healed by the act of grace dewanded at bis hands by # large and infaential body of the people. And it will be. The Englisa journals as a general rule are opposed to the contemplated amnesty, and harp upon the siupid conduct of the Fenians who have already enjoyod the clemency of the government as warn- ing ‘agatust further itberations, To be sure, the Tustian of those would-be heroes 1s the more offen- sive {rom tue knowledge that to gratify their own stupid vanity they ave heediuss of the imjury they iuflict upon the poor wretches who are still under- going the discipline of aa English jatl; but i the whole teh sould be turned adrift to earn their own living, houestily Uf they could, there would be noting left for them to talk about, ana their oceu- pations, like Otuello’s, would be gone, The argu- ments used by the English newspapers agatnst the ainaesty are scarcely Calculated to drive Mr. Glad- stone from bis purpose. ‘Their principal points are that the release of the Fenians would pe taken as E smout either that tie conspiracy against the ealsting government in Ireland in 1867 was no crime, but @ laudable undertaking, or thas it Was @ crime which England 1s afraid to properly punish, ‘The weakness of such arguments is apparent upon ther face, The conviction and imprisonment of the parties who took part in that conspiracy stand as evidence that the British government regarded it and did not fear to punish it asacrime. But while a govern- ment recognizes rebellion against itself under any circumstances a3 a grave oifence, It may recognize aiso the fuct that such a rebellion was induced by abuses that require removal. Having enforced its authority and vindicated its existing laws, it may well accompany the prosecation of reforms with leniency towards those who have offended against ims majesty. Sut, it ts said, the prisoners we are asked to liberate have shown- no contrition for their acis; they bave not prostrated themselves at our feot, they and their sympathizers, and sued humbly for pardot It might be remarked here that the English newspapers, after the collapse of the Ame! a Southern States’ rebellion, were virtuously indignant at the Idea that the government of te United states should desire to humiliate tae rebels or require of them any expression of contrition toc thelr misdeeds. But it is enough to say that re- pentancs and sorrow are not the only considerations upon which the pardons of criminals are granted, ia good ent is to be subserved by the remission of @ sentence it can matter but little if tue released prisoner Wil peralst tn regarding his couvietion as Mr, Gladstone would to-day put down a rising tn Ireland by the most vigorous means and paniah those Whe might take part tn it; but te will set looge the men Who couspired in 1307, because he would pot only remove those real grievances ta the governmeat of Ireland which have been tue pretext for rebellion, but would also gbiiterate from the minds of the people the remembrance of past injustice and put aa end toa dangerous sympatiy for those W > sudering from poiitical offences, For Lapeak advisedly when t say that In apite of the objections of a certain portion of the English press, and in spite of the uvolsy biustering of ranting ‘onlans, tie persons now imprisoned for political wilbe liverated by tue British government year, either on the reassembing of Parilament re vived by the repubiication jou reported to have been stroke of the American reporter, The papers here 'y indignant at the Suspicions hintea at by ag that the Harvard crew were to danger of losing thew lives by poison daring their period of t Putney and by bts charges of ungenecrous conduct brought against the Oxford rowers. Well, probably it would have been just as sensible and discreet in Loring to have takon bis defeat in better eau ass of himselfin the he jarepres@uted to have done by the New ni Bohemian. The risks of the change of cli- about which he seems inclined to whine, were ‘iy ren by Loring and his associates when Jonged Oxford, Qud as to the polsoning i 18 doubcful, first, whether the Kngiish betung men staked any amount of money on the race, and in Lond herd with terribie enormous hext, whether, if they had, they would have treated five Americans a8 unceremoniously a they would a Derby favorite, provided they had enjoyed acceas to lig stable, The probability is, therefore, that poor Loring might have eaten his meals with an easy mrod, wad have devoted himself to his training with advantage to limself, tnstead of worrying himself about his milk and vegetables and studying how ho could battle the polsoners by sending Biakie to mar- ket, now in one direction aad now in another. Lor- ing’s complaint that the Oxfords, in a very ungen- temauly inanner, “took his water,” may be all jast epough, bat at least they left him sufficient for the coxswaln to Wash him with before le got through with the race, No person here pretends that the Oxford crew acted with any generosity towards their American competitors, ‘They took every possitjie advantage and selfishly insisted upon having everything their own way; but 1 would be just as well for Mr, we te to leave others to comment upon these facts, and notto enter the Beld himeeif as a grumbier. is conversation 1s of @ part with the snobbish letter of Mr. Willan, wherein that gentleman, with genuine cockney bounce id vulgarity, boasted of how easily the Oxfords could have distanced the Harvards if they had dosired to do 80, ity boat race js snflered to become a recollection of the past aloug with the great international battle between Heenan and Sayres, tho better perhaps for aij parues concerned, American Telegraphs—Their Proposed Pure chase by the Government. {From the a don Times (cily articia), Bept. 20.) itis ewid Umt the Westerm Unton Telegraph Com- pany, of New York, which has absorbed ali tue other ding lines of the country, are likely to press upon snycress at ts approaching session the propriety of the government buyiNg them up and carrying on the business after the Kaglish precedent, The concern Was established by Profegsor Morse and others, twenty-three years ago, witlt 4 single wire from Bal- timore to New York, and lig cépital slock now rep- resents @ SUIn eqaal to abotih £5,000,000, besides a bonded debt of neariy £1,000,000. ‘The company under thelr charter bave the power of purchasing competing lines at their pleasure, and it is by Yesuing stock for that purpose and also to pat entees that @ great part oF their enormeug nom inal capitei has been created. This system of bnying up of companies seems to have had some features fn common with recent developments in another branch of business in Lonaon, “In years past,” It is said, ‘it has been a source of alleged fraud id corruption, aa it lias been charged that parties of controlling influence have bought up the stock of comparatively valueless lines at merely nominal fyures, and oMcially turned the same over to the company at much larger prices and often at greatiy more thao they were worth, to the great damage of 4 We Wansaction,’ Tho sooner this great Univer- j NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY, OCTOBER 16, 1869,—TRIPLE SHEET. sont the con] has 3,462 atatior 099 miles of poles and 104, mites of wire, waite ee sere nee and Territory in the Unton, nesota and New Mexico. The nen last year Were equal to about £1,460,000, and the net revenue was about £650,000, or about six and one-half per cent ou the capital stock, The ‘company, it appears, contend that the terms at which tue them ought to overnmel howd — by culated 4 Fi assumption that a ten Bb et may be considered worth par, and that heir stock paying 634 should be taken rT at So. itis remarked by the Philadelpiia ei nat | olf it the mode of valuation rou ibente got. if 8 ny CO ble Peal propert, is hal want {udeote ness, if yenrt 8 the exclusi privilege for which so lafge a portion of this capital was mM «. il continued to the company. ‘But the uit8 faye expired, anybody may put up lines and more cheaply, and the present poles,, wires And insulators now in use are gradually falling mto decay,” At the same time, while to company take Qn opportunity to remark that ‘pased on the pro- poe urchase of English liués the valuation for heir Aystem would be £11,200,000."" It is pointed out that the reasoning in this respect 1s also decep- tive, since there éan be no just cogparison of the lines of the Western Union Company with the Eng- Ksh or European lines, the quaities of the wire, poles, imsulators and other materials used in Amerta being very taferior, FRANCE, Father Hyacinthe’s Letter to the Bishop of Orleans—A Thousand Letters of Approval a Day—ilis Case to Come Before the Coun- cil--The Empress Sets Out for the East— The Mission to Russia—Burning of the Hip- podrome—Democracy Brewing a Storm, Paris, Oct, 2, 1869. ‘The answer of Father Hyactnthe to the affectionate appeal of the Bishop of Orleana has caused much satisfaction among the enlightened members of the eclesiasticul world in Paris. ‘ ‘The great preacher ta at presont residing with his brother, in the Avenue de Neutlly, No. 95, and has received as many a4 @ thousand letters of copgratu- lation aud sympathy a day. He has helda long conference with the Archbishop of Paris, and, it 1s sald, will be defended in the Counci) at Rome by the Gishops of Chalons and Bayeux; also by the Arch- bishops of Avignon and Reims. Cardinal Matthew, the celebrated ex-Carmelite, on the other hand, is appointed to combat the manifesto, Notwithstanding the immense opposition made to the Empress’ voyage in the East she left St. Cloud at half-past five, as was appointed. She was accom- panied to the station by the Emperor and the Minis- ters, even by those who do not approve of the excur sivn, and in order to refute the rumors current respecting the coldness existing between the family of Prince Napoleon and herself she drove to Mendon to take leave of Princess Clothilde, and brought the Prince back in her carriage to St. Cloud, The jour- ney, notwithstanding the Empresa’ strict incognito through Italy, where sho will remain a few days, wiil cost 750,000 francs, including divers, by which is meant “presents.” A celebrated financier has chalked down the outiay day by day up to the moment of her Majesty's return, Some conversation and malicious comment have arlzen on the subject of Generai Fieury’s nomination as French ambassador to Russia, Hes thoaght un- fit for diplomacy, and this appointment fs attributed bo the necessity of his going through a Cabinet stage before he takes any part in the iniuistry nere, which, we are told, 19 to be an Olltvier Fleury one, Pansters call it “ollivier deurt,” or “palm blossom” in our dialect. May it be so, after the late excitements, Added to the horrors of the Pantin murder,on which all the penny-a-livers are living, there has been an- other terrible incident near Paris. During the com- plete destruction of tho Hippodrome by tire the glow was 80 intense that the Boulevards were lighted up by the famea as lar as the Porte St. Martin, The in- tensity of tue fire was increased by the beketpe sped of Gandillot’s depot of fete decorations for the city of varis. All the theatrical splendors of testive cele- brations are destroyed, and, being mostly of very thin pine wood, more or less covered with paint aud tar, blazed Se With frigiitful rapidity. Thousands of peo- plerose from their beds and Jeft their homes to see ae of the fire. It broke out at about eieven o’cloc! The great question whether or not the Chambers are te be convoked for the 25tn is debated in private council. {fthe prorogation lasts beyond that date public ciate will express itself after its pecullar fashion In this capital, The storm is gathering in the provinces more tbreateningly even than in Paris, The flimsy pretence that the deputies cannot assemble in a palace of which the roof 1s fauing in cannot be credited by the nation. Murderons Assault at Pautin, Galignani’s Messenger, of Paris, of the 2d of October, gives the following account of another — assault Which occurred near Pantin, aris:— A fresh crime was committed at Pgntin the evening before last. Two men had stolen a leg of mutton from @ small eating house aad were making of with it, when another tndividual who had left the establishment at the same time and had observed the act, remarked to them that their supper Would not cost them dear, ‘Uf you saw us,’ replied One of the thieves, ‘you shall not tell,’ and drawing a knife he plunged it into the throat of the stranger. ‘The confederates then ma oi. ‘The wounded wan is not expected to recover An Aristocrat Attempts Murder. The Paria Galignani of the 2d of October, sup- plies the following account of a gross attempt at deliberate murder, perpetrated, as alleged, by an aristocaat in Moravia:— An act of disgraceful ferocity has jnst caused the greatest excitement at Brann (Moravia). Towards seven in the evening of the 20th of September the people were returning from the races and a consiterable crowd had collected before ihe New hauser Hotel, where most of the sportsincn had ailer, & lose to when alighted. Among the spectatora was draper, with his wife and child. They w: the principal entrance to the bulidiny, Count Henry Horaspech, brother of Cour spoch de Joslowitz, drove up. Muller's c unfortunately in the Count’s way as he desvonde from his carriage, and ingtegd of Putting tito ifitie boy gently aside the Count strack hin in the face witha wiitp. As the father came to his so: fence the Count said:—“Be quiet, clodhoppe will strike you.’’ An instant after the report of a pistol was heard and Muller fell, struck by a bali which had penetrated the head, entering beneath the lefteye. The furious crowd immediately prepared to inthet Lynch law on the aggressor, and the Count was with great dificuity rescued from its Lands and conducted to prison, Hopes are entertained that Muller’s wound will not prove mortal, but he will probably lose Lis eye, Napoleon at Home—His Daily Life Routine. A Paris correspondent writes to the London Zele- graph wnder date of September 1 thus:— The Emporor’a three favorite rooms at St. Cloud are the library, the shelves Gf which are filled with 12,000 volumes; the Salon de la Verit’, where Cuaries X. heard the news of the revolution in 1830, and the Saton Rouge, formeriy Napoleon I.’s library. 18 Majesty's private apartments are most simple, aud comprise @ bedroom,.a dressing room and a@ caine de travail, ‘rhe Emperor writes ona fiat, mahogany tabie, of the empire style, placed in the ay acle of the room. His usual seat is a large, low-leggea ther arm chair, nearly all the other seats in the very unpretending studio being chairs caned iu Panama siraw. If it were not for souvenirs of nn ond I. and Queen Hortense, no- body wonid suspect this of belng the Emperor's cabi- net. His afenty indifferently nses quill or steel et and while he writes, he scatters the residu of is Clrarettes On the inkstand plate, Pictures of the Empress and Prince imperial are placed on two small casels on the writing table, and on each side of the chimneypiece two photographs of the same. The Empress and Prince enter the Emperor's room as 8000 as Felix, the first valet de chambre, has \et them know that lis master is up, which, Just now, is generally between seven and eight A.M. At eleven A. M. breakfast 1® announced, after which their Majesties spend a few minutes in the drawing room, and then separate to perform the duties of the day. They dine at seven, and taik over the inctdents of the afternoon in the freeat manner possible. if some officer of the household mentions aa accident as having occurred to any one tn bad circumstances the Emperor at once gives orders tor immediate inquiry and relief; and thus the Emperor and PHorpress, without any ostentation whatever, do good ju all sorts of ways, IRELAND, The British Channel Fleet at Covk--Earl Spencer’s Visit—Addrosses for Political Amnesty and Land Tenure Reform. A Dublin jetter of the 28th of Septomber in the London 7imes reports that the British Channel fleet arrived at Cork harbor the day previous, after encountering a severe Stormin the Bay of. Biscay. It conslats of the admiraity Nagahip Agincourt, the Minotaur, Hercules, Mouarck and Northumberland. ‘The morning wae tine and the harbor, Alled with craft: of various kinds, looked extremely animated, The feet timed ite arrival to do honor to the Lora Lieutenant, Earl Spencer, who paid his first visit to Cork the same day, On the arrival of the train the Viceregai party found the Mayor and mombers of the Town Connell in thelr tobes, together with Lord Fermoy, Mr. Smith-Varry, M. and ® number of other gentiemen, waiting on the platform to receive them, ‘There was also a large concourse of the poy e, who @4vo their Excellencies an enthusiaa- locheer. The Mayor, on she part of the Corpora tion, presented an address to the Lord Lieutenant, In which the foliowing sentences oceur:— However unwiliug to intrude upon your Kxgellency any subject, even ba Pertaining to politics, on « of & festive ‘nature Hke the presout, we respect{ally beg on our own part and that of tho cltizuns, whose reproxontauives wo are, of the the company and to the profit of the officers directly | She, Priggipat cities of | oF Mudiregily engaged "ab ore prowont op runlty to draw Four o the sul 10 8 Excolloncy’s ject of @ petition to the of G nly presented on our be balfe i ben ‘oa ty might be ted to the . en a Fewhiding Islan polisoal Drigonery, UyUoriue. Yo auele Wis tention 8 #0 far from projudicing the intvresia of the ‘would tend to assure its peace ani weifare by satl: nets pea ate te tan ng the ould We asesr fons sare eae omni ain bog to amen your Eeslency that ihe prayer of tat potion has received publi of roan cit sera yoee ‘ot the souniy fafa 3 eae cae TRE Son ict may be, proved that they ioved Lrvad not wisely, yet too wel His Excellency, in his reply, stated thatthe peti. tong which had been addressed to the govern were receiving Consecration. ‘The vicerogat pil Then drove off to Fata, the Féstdéiiee ofr. Stal Barry. On Thursday their Excelienc.es will mom to Bessborough park, the residence of the Earl of Bessborough. Farmors’ Club presented an address paging for the release of the j'entan prisoners and legisiation on the land question, rwiilch, while secur- ing afair reat to the landiord, would enable We tenants to live on their farms and not compel them to emigrate, Tho Krish Reply to Lord Hurtington=Laade lord’s Rights, The Duvlin Freeman's Journal of the 28th of Sep. tember devotes an artigle two columns long to # caustic criticism of ‘d Hartingtoh’s speech— already commented on in the HeraLp—on the Irish Jang question, {t combats the argament witch 16 atiribules to hi: arishtp that tho ievorers might, injuriously affected by fixity of tenure, den! es, “baseless apd unwarranted,” the tuputation that the remedies proposed by the Farmers’ Clab of Muo~ ster would have the effect of robbing the landlord and then sets out the following catalogue of what i admits to be the rights of the landlord:— Firt—The landlord has a mght to get his rent as 9j upon beiwoen himself and bia teuant af the tues and {a the proportion puiated, Second--The landiord hag @ right to obtain as ront the present fait an annual value of bis land which he bired to the cured the pronpes- by any aud every chat produced by the expeuaiture o special holding. local or general, which Is not the tenant on the Fowth—He has aright to all mines and minerals, all royale ties and all manorial rights, Fith—When he hires the surface of his land and tho usa- fruct thereof to a tenant he has right to the most complete security the law can give that bis glaim for rent shall take edence of every claim other than the public claims hat no common creditor a rent of the Jand out of which {t was prod been pald or suificiently aocured to the landiord who suppli the land out of which that produce was extracted by the nant ‘Siadh—The landlord hase right that his security for the due payment of the stipulated rent shall not be diminished by the sub-letting or subdivision of the land, and the conaoquent placing of the claims to sustentation of other families of euitivators out of the special 1ot 4a priority to lia claims for Tent. S-couth—The landlord bas a right to reclaim the occupancy ‘on the tenant not being reasonably punctual io the paymeat of his rent, or. ou tha tenaut sub-letting or subdividing the g, and thereby depriving the owner of the security for hig rent, on the faith of which he hired out his land. Kighth—Having regard to the ordinarily rec: i ignlzed rights of landed property, tre landlord very reasonably claims a pro-emption right to the ocoupancy of any portion of his in- come-produciny, land, on his tna‘ i compenaation to the tenant for all beneficlal improve: Oly and for the loss of his contintions occupancy, after the maui observed under the Railway Clauses acts with regard to tea- ant nds and tenants of houses tn whlch traders carry on business, It challenges Lord Hartington to show that any one of these claims wou!d be injuriousiy affected by the programme of the Munster Farmers’ Club, whtch it puol's.ies a3 follows:— That the tenant of land dedicated to agricultural and income producing pu by the landiord should have a right of right of fixed he paya the suipul Pays & just tn of tho fand apart from his own eapital, f produce; abstains from sub-dividing or sub-letting ho holding without the assent in writing of the owner or his logal representatives; gives free tcope to the owner for the exercise of ali manorial rights and royalties; recognizes the right of re-entry for non-payment of rent, and recognizes @ pre-emption right as vested in the landlord, should any cause, even whitn or caprica, fnduce him to desire the resump- tion of the hoiding, on his paying. the full value of the “co Liguows occupancy ght" aud all Sinprovements mado by the tenant. It asks, do the landlords want to increase their rents, to have an “eviction screw” in their hand: to control the minds, the bodies, the very souls of their tenantry, and if not, what more can they de- mand than they would enjoy under the programme? The Freeman adds the following observatious:— “diad Lord Hartington spoken as the Cabinet Mints- ter of the Queen, we would ask him is there nothing due to the ‘Throne, and 18 it not the daty And the interest of all who value the peace of society to @ac- rifice something of the feudal dignity of owning serfs, If by doing 80 they could create a protective force of 600,000 men, Who, having property secured to them by law, would become the most earnest de- fenders of that octal order upon which the security of property depends. Old Asop was @ wise old man. Let the Irish landiords learn @ lesson from him, and beware lest like lis dog they may not in their greed wo devour the shadow of feudal authority lose the substance of their rights of property, which ali a are desirous to recognize and sustain invie- ate, ‘The Wexford Board of Guardians, presided over by Lord Granard, have passed a resoiution in favor of a setdement of the land question. Other publio podies have also agreed to petition Parduameat on the subject, WALES. Agitation for Radical Keform—The State Church Condemned. In Wates the Iberal members for the county and borough of Denbigh, Mr. Osborne Morgaa and Mr. Watkin Wilitams, addressed aa enthusiastic meeting of their supporters and constituenis at the Towa Hall on the Both of September, the chair aa occu. pled by Mr. Thomas Gee, ir, Osvorne Morgan, after giving an account of his stewardship, spoke upon the subjects of education, the land tenure of Ireland and tue ballot, all of which meagures he be- lieved would be brouglt 1a and carried in the next session. (Applause.) Mr. Watkin Williams spoke matniy on the question of the Welsh Church, contrasting it with that of the Irish establishment, He viewed the putting an end to tnat Church as an act of justice, and he earnestly betleved that the gor aga t oonesty, would mete out the same meas of justice to Wales. The Church was now the Church of the aristocracy; tf had signaliy sailed, and justice demanded that lt should cease to exist. Wales was not powerful enough, nor had she the Hon to ( upon her rig its; but as she only wanted jus ce, and justice alone, she woud have an oppor- tuuity Of secing whether Parliament was willlug to do unto her as had been doue to Ireland. Mr. Wil- liains (hea rephed to the objections waich has been made to bis bringing forward the motion, He told them to-night, aud told them honestiy, he no desire to havo the glory of leading in’ this matter. He was perfectly content for them to select the man whom they thought better for the task than anotuer, to bring it forward, and would give up bis place altogether. Perhaps he could better support the motion than bring it forward, 49 bat was more his line, Now, a9 to tne time of bringing it for- ward. It wag his judgment, and patie Uw their judgment, thd tile lime waa come fo bring forward, (Applause.) Some had thought it would have been better to walt tll some other gre questions were got out of the way, He beggea to differ from those who enter- tained that opinion. Probably it would nos be carried—very likely mot—but he had no more notion that 1¢ would be carried before tue balior, the education and the Irish land schemes than he had of going to the moon, (Laughter.) Bub Mf they stayed until all of those quesuons were got out of the way ;they would be too late then, (Ap- plause.) Start the pall firat, and when those matiera had been cleared out of the way there was some chance that they might step in with tis measure, (Applause.) Mr. Williams then alluded to the letter of a correspondent in one of the papers, stating taat. the matter would be 8oon taken out of his bands, and in reply he said he should be deiighted to think the matter had become of snch importance a3 to compe! others more able to take it out of his hands. No great measures had ever been carried without such force from the country, which compelled the overnment to feel the necessity of passing it. Now, he shouid like them to remember what he was golag todo, He was not going to bring in a@ bill. The subject must be discussed for years; tt must bo turned upside dow», to see what solid stuf remained, They must kick tt about as much as they could before a biil could be brought in, What he proposed doing was to bring the auuject before Paruament and the pubtio; bat the particular form of lil motion was not so important, so long ag the measure was only brought forward for discus- sion, He next spoke of the right of Parliament to deal with State aids and endowments, maintaming that ail such aids and endowments, snd ali property whatsoever that Was inallenably attached to al corporation, Was public or State property, and I’ar- lament had @ right to dispose of it. He then pro- ceeded to argue that the Church stood in entirely different: position nglish Chur from what the [risy Church did, There was not ia this couulry tliat animosity and a! nism towards the Church on the part of Nonoouformists as there was botweon the Protestants and Koman Catholica of Ireland, He had no desire to destroy or to anat. hilate tae Church in any way. The churches of Corlst in Wales formed a venerable te Which had existed hundreds of years before it dv in England. The anctent Britons had embraced Christiauity in the year 166, But since then things had altered, The Church was not now the Church of the people, as every man who walked could gee, Go to any villawe ja vue Principality, and what did they find? in every re they would come across chapels, and how was that? Because the church Was the church of the aristocracy. lt was not any antagonism of Papists or Protestants, as in Ireland, that was the canse of it, but it was evident some grievances of a deeper type lay at the bottom of tt. (Applause.) The Ouurch had had every conceivable chance a Church could have to succeed, but it had failed, But why had i fmied? Me answered the question in this way—by Its ajilance with the State, (Applause.) He was firmly convinced that, and that alone, Was the cause of it, Having further enlargea on the question of tithes, &c., Mr, Williams said that with the surplus which would be derived from th Welsh Church, which amounted to something like £100,000 per annum, he should make @ grant to the pew university at ‘Aboryatwith, and throw it open to every peraon in the Principality, independent of Uber religious professions. He then quoted statta- tics, pointing Oust the vast preponderance of Non- conformists over Churchmen in the Principality, and conciaded by arguing thas everything was favorable to the disestabilshment and (he disendow- ment of the Chureh. He resuined is seat Amid loud and continued eoplauad,