Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, April 1, 1876, Page 6

. mever openo WHISKY. Rusth. and Pahlman Found Guilty on Four Counts, They Appear and Give New Bail in 810,000 Each, AW Hatthew Rapp for - g Perjury. The Gentloman Supposed to Have Fled to Oanada. . Qne Bell Tells a Startling Story to & Oongressional Committee. @ Says Ho Was Employed by Babeock to Rob Col, Dyor:of Cer- taig Papers ; Yhat Luckey and Bradley Were Con= versant with the Scheme ; (hat He Did Road Certain Papers in Dyer's Office and Reported, to Baboock. Luckey and Babcock Brand Bell’s Story as a Tissue of Lics, CHICAGO, * CUILTY ON FOUR COUNTS.” FEX BCEXE 1N COURT AT THE READING OF JHE YERDIOT. At fonr mintutes past 10 yestorday morning the melanclicly Orfor lisped ths snhouncement that tho United States Court was opencd sod ready for business, Tho jury had been brought in, and as thoy sat in thoir box thoy presented s dull, bazy sppearance, looking vory dark une Ber the eycs and very .much crumpled as to sbirt-front, Tlore were probably 300 peoplo in tho Court-room and bl as many outside in tho corridor. Rush sat in bis accustomod scat at tho north table, atill tuggiog at his mustacho, whilo Pahlman, a8 fresh aud crisp’ as & colory stalk, smiled from betwoen the Government counsol. Mr, Ayer was absent, but Judge Bangn and 3. Boutell wero on hand, apparently ui- terly diinterestod in tho result. ' AN ENYELOYE Wah HANDED to Mr. Drammond, tho Olork. As he toro it open his ‘Liand srembled, and as he tock out tho in- closurae 1t elook iu his grasp, and 1t wwas somo sno- ouds beforo the pago lay fairly open boforo him, Thore were obly three lineas *Wo, the jury, fmd the defendants guilty on the firat four counts,” and thon camae the signoturc, As Drommond road it, the court-room was etill aa doatls, white & hum avd buzz sross from the balliway a8 the nows waa carriod to the crawd outeide, Rush nover changed s muscls of his face, but Pablman looked up to the jury with an oxprese slon of disgust and contempt” thot, under othor circumstances, would bave boen comical. le Lis Lead, but quictly aross and marched out of that court-room, through all the crowd, without turning or looking to the right or left, and down tho stalrway sud ont {n- to tho atreet. Ams ho subsequontly explained, he anover was 80 mad in his life, and was ) APRAID TO TRUST LIMBELY, AMr. Storrs had not apposred, and Judge Blodgott suggestod to Judges Bangs that & mes- songor be sent for him. Dr, Rush roplied that be hiad already sont, and Judge Blodgott thon naked tho District Attorney what courss would Do taken as to the bail ngs reapondod that be shonld want & now bond, which could be agrood upon by himself and Mr, Storrs when the latter shonld come, and, after transacting somo routine business, Judge Dlodgets retired to hus room to await dovolopmonts., The doparture of the Judge opened tho gates of convemsation, and there was au Almost unani- mous expression of disappointmont., Here sud thero o fellow turned up wlio rememberod that be had prophesicd just how it would tarn t; but a. strong, warm foeling of lfimpfl.hy seqmed to pervade the whole throng, and they wbo had most strongly sdvoe catod oonviotien during the trinle confossed to \(:-hngu of rogret that the verdiot had boen as was. TET NOVED ANOUND QUILTLY, placidly smoking a cigar, and sccepting the chunka of condolence offored him with a good< humorod smile. Almost overy whisky man in town waa thoro, with & mob of Gaugors and Btorokeopors, who lmnf on tho outskirts and echoad or applanded ail that was said by tho bighwine gontry, who crowded about tho Doo- tor. Qeorgo I, Burroughs, who haa an_ awk- ward way of telliug . what ho thinks withont any upecial rogard to what partionlar corn he tresds on, managod to express himself on squealers in gonoral, and this casa in particalar, and in tho course of & sovon-minute oration told some wholesomo trutha to a rather atartled auditory, Gholson G. Russell, npon whom four rostless nights produce tho offect that a equare moal does on a hungry man, planged his banda in his trousars pookots and smilod com- assionatoly on the poople around him, John Furlong loanod against tho banuister until it bent, and thon loaned against the wall, Flows stood in expectorative contemplatton of s knot- hole some 10 feet off, which he hit five times out of pix, and offerod to bot on the seveuth, Powell stood around, quist and rumiuating, while Bill Cooper hopped about aa nervous and noiuy ay over, EYERYTIING WAS GIVEN UF, and evory other covoaiderstion loat sight of in tho surprise that Lad fallen from the lips of the {ury, and when George Burroughs laid down the fundamontal proposition that tho country s go- ing to the dovil, thers was m murmnr of ap- {;I-um. and then a deep silence, broken at last y Alr. Powoll, who calmly annonnced that no amount of verdicta would altor the * kind fosl- ings he had against Palilman and Rush.,” It waa ncarly 11 o'clock when Mr. Storrs ar- rived. Lo was st once surrounded, but ha urged his way through the crowd, aud entored Judge Dlodgett's room, closoly followed by Judgo Bangs and Marshs! Campbell. Thes Eflnflnn of bul waa soon settled, Judgo ugs eald he wanted new bonds of $10,000 for each of the defondsuts, and 4 o'clock. was fixed 24 the twme for the bondsmon to appear, the do- foodants in the meantime _permitted to go on their own recognizapcs. Duriug the converua- tion, Mr, Btorra made $he remark that the sen- tenoe to be Fmodnuon tho two men could not by any posaibility bo heavier than that to bo parsed upon thoss who had plesded gullly, to ‘which Judge Bangs cordially axsented. ‘The bail business having "been sgresd upon, Mr. Htorrs and Dr. Ruen departed, and tho crowd melted aws; At2 o'clock Dr. Rosh roapoearcd with his counsol aud gave bonds Lo 10,000 for his ap- earauce when called for, offering a4 suretios sesrs, William A, Ros, Augustus 8. Hurt, Alsoson W, Kdwards, Ass Dow, sod George W. Cbamphn. " A forma! motion . YOR A NEW TRIAL had been enterad in the moruing, and the crowd, under tbo impreasion thas it was {0 bo argued in. the afternoon, jammsd into the court-room to hioar tho discusslon, but nothing oocurred, and, aftor & foot-raco for 2400 s side bad been muda up botween Maj, Edwards John Furloug (in ‘which the agveement was that the money suonid ba put up in George Burroughs' bands, the wan who caught him to Lave atl he could get), the crowd separated aguin, and comparative dullness ottied on tho bullding, Mpmbers of the fury relsts some queer things. When they weut aut they stood 8 to 4 1o favor of aoquittal. They throw ot the testimony of all the - witnesses for she provecution, except of fg‘hn D-luoa :ufi Alut::n.,unmxig two men In amploy of Loel Ca., and uj thair svidence i o8 TUE VELDICT WAS YOUADED, - After they had sgreed It was s:ohoud to draw - & paper indorsing Fallman aod Hush, stating that they had * the entire sympatby of the jury, who entertained for them a highsr reapeok 40,000 timss pver 4han thay had for the squsal- mt Out fur the Arrest of ers.” Juat hetoro roaching an agrosment, two of the jurora loft the room snd went into Judge Dlodgett's room. Thoy wers in conversation for & short time, and thon roturned to their quar~ tors. Within s faw moments tho vordiot waa found, and then tho whole twelve visited Judge Blodgett, and thon entered the conrt-room. Mr, Pahiman came in_at about half-past 8 with Nicholas Simon and John Bhort, who woro aaceptod by the Oourt, and ho was discharged. Bherift Emil Hoochster hunted sround doring the day for Megars. Paliman snd Rush, to meryo upon them the garn TOCORS BWOTA out by Ross & Gossaga and Frod W. Packard, to provont payment of Mr. Btorrs' faes, but he failed to find them, and at s late hour gave up the search. —_— IN GENERAL. . FREISINOER. In viaw of the proparations made by both sides to try tho Freisinger case, is ja now an- nounced that thejintsresting obapter in arooked- whisky sunals will bo divulged to the pnblio Mondsy morning, and that it will take the preo- odonco over Ald, Cnllorton's caso, which may bo oxpectod to be trlod aftor Frolsinger has boen mads happy or miserable. The Govern- ment profoss to have s sirong caso, and ons whoro tho ovidonce does not dopend upon the teatlmony of a singlo squealer, but in. documen- tary o ita character, ¥ To gatisfy publio curiosity in regard to the penafies to which Pahlman and Rush aro each liable, a TRIBUNE reporter yestorday sacertained just what tho punishment msy bo under oach count. It will bo soon that tho Court haa somo discration in tho fixing of thess ponalties. The pooalty under the firet count, bronght ander oo, 8,261, ‘is the paymens of & fine from 91,000 to ©5,000, the forfoiturs of all the dis- tillory property, and imprisonmont for not less than six montha and not moro than two years, The penslty under the second count, brought unaer Koo, 3,206, is tho paymont of a fine of not Jess than 200 and not mora than €5,000, ot not loss than threo months ‘33"”33@” fln:em than throe yesrs. aud & fino aqual to double the amouut of the tax lm- posed on tho distilled spirits removed, The ponalty under tho third count is the same as that under the second. The penatty under the fourth connt, brought under Sec, 5,440, 1s & fine_not loss than 81,000 and not more thon $10,000, with imprisonmens not more than two yoars. PP, It would bave' bean better for Matthew D. Rapp bad he oot testified in the Pabiman and Rush case, or, if he was,bent on testifying, that o had not sworn that ho never saw anything crooked at tho Culeago Alcobol Works, and did_ not sssist fu Y‘:mng ou atamps which had proviously on used. Beveral of tho Governmont wilnosses swore positively that Rapp did know tho crookednoss was going on, and that he assisted in it, sod oo tho strength of shodr information Col. Matthews made an affidavit yosterdsy morning setting forth the chargo of “perfury, snd ssking that a warrant bo fssued for Iapp's arrest. Commias sionor Hoyno promptly issucd the warrant, and five ablo-bodied but not over-gifted doputies atarted in search of the littlo black-laired, black-whiskored, black-oyed man who has so suddenly and recently loaped into notoriaty. But Lo was not to bo found. It is surmised that nows of the verdict had been” conveyed to him about ns soon as it was an- nounced in court, and, as there hava been muttaricgs of vongoance and threatenings of an indictment for the past two days, for the oirculation of which storfea the Uovernmont witncusea seem to bo responsible, Alr. Rapp con- cluded that it was botter to go than (o romain. All day yestordny the deputtes mournod his loss. In accordance with the modexn spirit of smigra- tion, Rapp hiaa probably followod Root, Bridges, and Hloyt, aud is porhaps crossing tho Dotroit Rivor this morning, tho hoeypitable shores of Causds waiting to rocolve him. = Who knows but that, whon Beckor shall havo beon used by the Governmount, and playod for all bo is worth, and thon bids another farawell to the city of his adoption to seek his homo in exilo, Le may meot tho wiry, wily Rapp io the Queen's dominions, snd renew old acquaintancosbip. Verily, the colonists aro fncreasing iu nunbera. TUE CHANOE . made by Judge Blodgatt to tho jury in thoPahl- man and Rosb osse is ono of the circumstsncos connootad with tha trial which will not saon paes ont of the minds of tho public. The Gov- ornment as wall ns Mr. Storrs admitted its thorough impactislity, aad the charge will no doubt pass into the history of the whisky vross- cutiona as & model of fairnoaa and an exhibition of » doop insight_uto the peculiaritios of this particular caso. In commenting oo the tosti- mony of informers Judge Blodgett announced some sound senso whon he took .tho pomtion that thoy might perhaps awesr to a false xeturn in tha course of their daily buainess withous avy particular scruples, but that when they cama upon the siand, exposcd to the gazo of = justico-loviog poople and threatencd with all’ the rigors of a flery cross-examination by oue of the moss astuto of lawyers, it waa not in the probabilities that they would rogard the making of a falsa oath with their former oncon- cern. In caso they would ba visited by companctios conscience to which thoy had before boon utter strangers. This was but one’ int—although a notiooablo one—in the charge, ut thore were othors of oqual force which s careful porusal of that document will disclose. Judgo Blodgett’s charge will doubtlesaly be re- Terred to over and over sgain as those whisky prosocutions procoed. TIUE ORAND JURY, There was o Joug and unintercsting session yeaterday. 'The only cass in which witnesses were caliod was that of Charlos Need, & confl- denco man, who was held to bail by Hoyne a fow daya ago for personating a rovenue officor. Tho ury Leard the evidence of tha saloon-keoper, rost Btock, upon whom Need attompted to play the gamo, and that of the policeman who made tho arrest. In the afternoon there was nothing bofors the jury, and they sdjournsd at 4 o'clock until Monday moming st 10 o'clock. THE NEW COLLYCTOD. Tho following telogram was recoived by Act- ing Collector Battorahall yestorday : ‘Wasnmearox, D, O,, March 31, 1676~ F, II, Balters- Rall, Actna Coliector, Chizags, Ji: Turn over Cal- Isctor's oflios to Joel D, Harvey on the st proximo, D. D, Puarr, Commissioner, Instead of Assistant Commissionor Rogers ocoming on to make the examiunation into the ao- counta of tho oftico, a8 was proviously intended, Col. Kinney, Assistant Bupervisor, will transfor tho oftico fo tho new Colloctor. The roceipts for March have amonnted to $593,098.20, while the roceipts from the 1st of July, 1875, up to dato swount to £7,102.800,77, John Keauedy, indicted for embezzling rogie- tered lotters, will be tried in the United Btatca District Court this morning. T'be idea is to fill 1n tho chinks betwosn tho big whisky cases by the trisls of mivor offondors, in the hope of eventually cloaring the docks. ELSEWHERE, BELL. ANOTUER OALE OF EXCITEMENT. Special Dupateh to Tha Chicago Tribunés WasumnatoxN, D, 0., March 81,—The groat sonsation of the day Las boen the testimony of Bell, Whilo mach of 1t i truo, thero i a grest doal that should ba scceptod with oxtrome caution. Tho tronble in overthroming the por- tlons of his ovidenco bolleved to bs falso (s largely locressed by tho fact that Lie hias cordial Indorsements from the Presldent and other ofticers of the army for valuable ald renderod tuom in fwcoret mllitrry servios, and aslse by tho fact 'that Lo was sppolnted for work in tho Babeock caso, aund thiat both the President aud Bocretary Ohandler kuew thlg. Thoy claim, mod doubtloss with truth, that all they intanded was o have him do bouest work to eatablish Babeack's lunocence. 1t is known here that he did purloig the papers in tho Avery case, exbibit them to Avery, and voturn them, sud generally smuch that he re- latea In ropard to his operationa in 8t. Louis is corroborated by statements of the St. Louls officers now here. Concerning much of it, how- over, Licre aro grounds for grave doubt. He will be recalied to-morrow, snd be subjected to closer crosy-examioation. {10 the Associatsd Press,) WUAT BELL TOLD. - ‘Waenisarox, . U,, March 31,-Mr. C. L. Bell, ¢f Miswiswippl, was befors the Clymer Commitiee to-day, and gave bis sccount of bis connection with the Babcock caso s 1y Mr, Olymer : Q.—Under that sppoltment were ou Inicianted 1o (L BLGOCK caat 10 Bl LOWAT Avre = Wote Yo soab out there to tax part . —Ware you sent out ters 2, ~=No* 8l ; nok under this sppoiotments ’ e Q.—Under a6y appoltment 1 A.—No, slz, Q. —Ware you Bever wuployed 1n any wey fn con- nection with that caas 7 A.—Not by tbe OGovsrumant. Q.—liy whoin th? Gon, Baboock? 4. (heak- tatingly)—No, 1 cannot say tustl was, QL 1y bis sonuael 7 one scting aid they s wers you 1o Fender under that’ Q.—What servi employment? A, (sfler » pause)—1 would lka s Littls THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE: SATURDAY, APRIL 1, 1876—TWELVE PAGES. the conviction of Dabeock? A.—That was what thoy underatood, but the President did not understand it that way at all—at least, T believe he did not, Il safd tamothat ho wished ma to reo what was going on, and, I£.thers was any sttempt mads to INTRODUCE FOROED OR VALSYE TESTIMONY, or lnr{r«]udlw lflnlnlt e defendant, thal he wishe od to know it, and I was to inaks iny reports (o the Attorney.Goneral, and that, if Gen, Dabcock was guii- ty, 1o wanted him punished. That is what tho Tresl- dent ssid from the statt, Q.—DId yo tell the Attorney Genersl that in your opinion Dsbeock war guiity 7 A.—L had uok arrived that polnt at that time, d‘g,—}lm you, st any tme, tell bim that 7 A,—Noj I not. Q—D{d you ever tell {t to Luckey 7 A,—I &4 not, Q.—DIJ you evor tell Bradioy wo? rapors and destroy them A~ Woll, T have refected on that matter a great deal, 1fe stated to ma that Lis Tettors wora 2 CAPADLR OF A DOUDLE CONSTRUQTION, And T thought thst & man fn “famillar corrospondenca might writa ettors that could be miscenstrued, I know that & very innocent expression fu conversstion is somstimen miscouatrued to mean nomething very dif- ferent from what 1t ia {ntonded, but thore seemad to Do great doal of tls,—loo miny of thete miscon- structions, Q.—Dud ho ever tell you any partlenlar thing that ho wauted you toget T A.—After I'spoko to him sbout the diapatches signed © Bullneh ** o # 1, Finch,* b #ald ho Idw't think bo bad over seut suvthing' with that algnaturs to that quartor, but hie wanted all there ‘was—aversthing, You wero {0 take thoso hadily fram the Distrlct~ lguioflm wpon that malter, »0 s toputfsin . shape. 3.—!0& want the truth, T&is not teli that, L—I donot knowas that hi do with this case. Q.—We will dstermina that after we hear it. Tonly want to know who nmplo;ed you? A.~Inregard to those Bt, Lonle Ihllw tars T q.—Yu. Qen. Daboock iz an officer of the ."'“fl: ;m 1 propose to inquire sbout bim now ? A—Wel wis he Private %m!nn Y MR, l.,\'.‘C:(ZT, o o Bec: of hie Presidlent. ~What wate jou to do for Luckert! A.~To 20 brief a8 porsible, I was fo look fnto tho hands of the Diatelct-Atlorsiey thers, yer, and ves what avidense thero was sgainst Gen, Babo ZQ~You were aent by Luckey then to'go ont tore z Aot waa not | Q. ot an \beoo] necesasry,” They fully understood ths caso. Attornay‘'aoffica? A.~—That was the understandiug, “‘"’g{‘“‘“f;,;',".'f (b 4BEEN AL SEAIp JUBGOIER ;=00 you mean oy that it ey ke o was | G.—And they werelo be destroyed 7 Ao it 5 N [l w1 do mot ssy that, They, however, RYEE BT T Lieksy willetaguu? Ao, o Tmat | BUCNINE there wore pany docimenta. 1n oistonce | , Dy Mr. Disckhurn—Q.—Do you know who Dradlsy T e to do1t?7 A.~Twas simply to | thiat it would be vary dimical for bim o explain. 147" AT boilevo hio1a » brother-in-law of Mr. A, K, T T eriay's oflice, a6 T bwd the ran of | Q.—Did you ever take any dooumenta out of tha | Shepiierd Lero.' Ho was sent uut thors Jul to be on Tite oMo thers, ami seo what avidenca thora wi Ditiict-Atiarnay's. oMos in Bt, Louia? AvI did | the watch, an g explained to me. 1o was Acting 48 ono of tho counsel, I supposs, Qo—itsve yan dotiled fully e fatervloms that oo~ currsd betwoen you and Luckey in 8t, Lauis, rolative to your omployment for_the purposs which you have indloated 7° A,—I thluk I havo. Lo stated to me Ahiat Gen, Dabeouk was innocent; that It was almply A BLOW AT TIIE OLD MAN, and I felt so mynelf at tho tims, Q—Whom (fd he mean Ly whom did you mean 2 _A.—The President, Q.—>Mr. ‘Luckey sald that Gen, Uabcock was (nno- cant, and yet they wantad your servicos Lo got cortain popors oub of ihe District-Atiorney's oflico? A.— st (s winl Beadley, peopossd. Luckey told me lo consult with bim, "He told me to get outsll the evidence there was, Q.—Did Luckey tell you the same thing? A.—Not at that thine, i Q.—Did L niot some time tell you that they wanted o make away with certain proofs ? A.—I don’t think 1t camo up ezactly In that sans, but it waa intlmat Q,—Did Luckey tell you in those conversations thing about Secrotary Dristow's connection with thi rosccution 7 A.—Thers was a great deal of conversa- on In that behaif. 1 supposs (hat tho bulk of the conversation tonded tuat way at that time, Alr. Drls- tow's sgency was more utimated in tho bulk ‘of the conversation than sxpressed, It was put in this way ¢ “This ta mmply a blow s the old man,"~ho Pros- 1dont, Q.—A blow from whom ? A.—That was undarstood from liristow, becauss Urlstow's fricads were vory zealons there, e question between Mr. Luckey and yourself wat— A. (intorruptingy—t understood 1§ a8 a lirise tow movement ab tho slast, Q.—That Dristow was persacuting the Proufdent through Gen. Babcock? A.—That tho whols watter W in the intercst of. Gen, Bristow, on one occaslon—raports, notes, and memoranda in regard to the Avary matter, but they wers chiafly mat- ters that had bean publishod before, T iava explained that ail to the District-Atlorney to lits full satislaction. T belleva I took one telegram away from thors, & tolc- fram from Bluford Wilton, bt that Lss &l ean ez plained to District-Attorney Dyer, Ho tuderstands ihe whole matter and was porfectly satisfied with e explanation, Q110 wis entirely sattsfied with your conduet in {rying 10 get hin papers awsy from bim? A.—wWell, there's an understanding tliere, and 1 do not know 1t 18 niooeasary Lo explain 16 the Committos, Q.—1 do not care about baving it \f it would be de. trimontal to the publio servico. - With whom alse did you Liavo any negotistions hers in Washington with in Teferoncs to the Babcock mattor, ave Bradloy, Luckey, the Atiorney-General and Mho' Preaident 7~ A~—Hiis counael, Mr. Blorrs, None otber that I rememmbor, The Attorney-Oenorsl teemed to bs averso to ihis arrangement, from tho fact that ho delayed my ap- pointment from day to day. .~TRAt 15, 1o was averns o sour going ot thera to | plsy the spy on Col. Dyor 7 A.—Ve; he acemed to ba, 1 went tlirectly from tiie White Liouss ta the Attornsy- Genersl with (hat card from the Presidont, and 1 stated to bim axaclly wiat tua Preideal told me: st if thare was any Innocont party to be prosecuted he wisl- ed to know it, and that 1r DABCOGK WAS QUILTY MB WANTED UIM PUX- a. DI you go tircre and get hold of 1t 7 AT i, R b Sanasait of the Diatriol Atiorner 7 Au —No, 8ir: 2t You ot It surreptitionsly thon 2 A.—T did, 8,..!)[6 Klvu furnish what you gol to Ool. Luckey ? A—Tdid, hll was tn November at the Lindell Hotel, 'Q,—'Was thers any othier person connected with Ool. Lotkey that you Xnow of 7 A—A gentleman named A. C, DRADLEY, s of Washlngton, who snid he was soting as cne of th canusel for Gen, Dabeock. 'Q.—What tnformation did you furnlsh Lackey 2 A. =1 told him that the avidence against Dabcock at that Hime wasweak, 1did Dot give him coples of any T8, PETina 700 208 the evdencaagsioe Dbk at vras in the District-Attorey’s office? A.—Ob, no's T only knew from what 1 haard 1n the ofice, snd what Col. Dyer himself told me. Q.—Did Col. Dyer know fhat yon ware the sgent of Laskey? Ao, aix: notab Lai s, Bubdsquant- badid, ’Q.—Dm {en look over the papers in thaiofca? A, —~Some of them, Q.—Did you read them all? A~ read a good many of {hem. Q.—Whers did you got {he papers {n the offica? A. ~—On the table and in the drawern, .~ Was that tho precise service that ol Luckey 1ol you fo render bim 7 A1 was, Q.—Ha told yon to go thére and find out? A.—To goamd find out all I could, I wishto state that at that timo I believed, from convarsations I heard {n the District-Aliorney's ' office, and, among many influ- ‘sntial men outaide, that this altsmpt to implicate Gen. Babcock was mada for ths purposo of INIUMING PRESIDENT GRAYT, = whom T had served sa a'scout dnring the War, and for | {7 ky “ (he old man," and 183ED, TThe Attorney.Genernl aaid : # T Intonded to commta- #lon you to-lay, but an oMefal camio to my house Iast night, I will $ay o very high oflioial, whom I meet 1ipon special occasions.” I understood bim to mean {he Socrotary of the Treasury,and 1 pointed out of ibe window whers wa wore miling toward tho Troas. Department, aud sal C you bave sald auy- g in that quarter there 0 Use in iny goin, switom T had s steong re Thoso wien claimed to 4 ~Did you learn from couversation with Dabcack Do 'itrong friends of Drisiows, 1 maw many | TeAllorney.Gerers sz, U1t i nof the Sectetaly. That, vaa Lia view of the Mattor? A-—Oll, most telegrame ~ fhat passsd botwesn Washington | qungiancesit 5 no usa for yon to urediy, snd we Districl-Attorney thore, and others, | FYRGNING Uut'yonsought to have DL bo tell yon (hat7 AYos, ale; that wos snd it Jooked st way, X ' balleved ~that | g iR P PR et ey antll snother malter ¢ame Gp thers, and then I | "¢ 5o Soy know, then, that the head of tho Trass- | Q.—Then it 1a trud that all the friende of Dabeook thought the partics ont thoro were acting without an- fhority, aud perhiapa wiro oraranatous, and I bellerod feuntliTearme th Washingion. When T camie Beto T found that I was on the wrong track, and I dropped ihe case, and I took measures aflerward to causs in- formation to reach the Presidant that thal ides was Wrong. Q.—That Babeock was not guilty 7 A~That he was lty. L'%au taformed the President that Dabeock was gulity ¥ A.—1 took measures to inform him that that you were 1n consultation with thero advanced that view that it was o war wagod by Bristar, through Gen, Bal G Ai—That was it, aod 8 thid reason I wont into it at thie atark, Q—De you kuow wio sent Bradloy there? A.—Ho told me that Babeock sent bim, Q.—Did 8hopherd have anything to dowith 1t? A — T nover lieard 1w natne mentioned fn the cane, Q.—Did you ever Lave any couversation with {he Drostdent about this matter othor than what you have detalied? A,—1 lad co or four uterviaws with the Prosidont, Up to tho time I ad my last interview 1 was Arnly of the beilof that Babeock waa innocent, When I found to my satisfaction that bo was gullty, from what ho do- atred mo 4o do, and from the remarks that wore made, nd 141k betwson the counsel and hitiself and myself, lnulumvm tlroe thnes to ace the Prosident and tailed, Q.—In any of (ha interviews that you had with the Treaident did you ever ioarn from him,as you did Trom Babeoek and Luckey, that ho hield the same view of this proaccution that they ald? A.—Tue Prosidant waa very ratioont, He sald very little, Tl only weut on that, 1f Dabeook was innocent, he did not wish to s hini'persecnted. 1le seerned to make it & persoual ‘matter in regard to Gen, Babcock, but did not seem to have any blas whintever {n regard to himaelf, Q.—~Was there over anything that tranepired Dbe- tween you snd the Presfdent to show tuat ho shared thio aaino opinion that thoso otbor gentlemen expresaod Ar, Bristow 7 A,—No, sir, Blr. Robbins—Q.—Tho remark of G abeo ek that nrl Depariment wouldn't Lave approved of your gotng out thera to plsy the spy on Dissrict-Attorney Dyer 7 A.—Most ass urodly. Q.~When you got il card from the President waa 1t undorstood between you and Lim that the purs pose of it was Lo get you an appointment, aud that you ware to go to Bt. Louis, and turough the District- Abtarney's oifics, and to asceriain whother thers was any evidenca that would show Babeock's guilt? Was that the ablect of the Presilent In sending you thera? A,—Tho object, as I undora t, was thatlwasto 1 DELIEVED ILE WAS OUILTY. ascortaln whother thers was any reasonable ground 1aid 1t bocsuse tho President hiimself told me that | for beltaving Jlabcook guilty, and thst if that wae o, wished to know it. Iie wished | ine Prosident wished to know it, and, if ho was inno- nothing concealed, and he wished him punisneds I | cont aud on attempt was belog msds 1o {ook Uhe President'at s word, sud Informed him of | mako * polileal " capital out o i, on fu i and T gob my dismisaal in three days afterwards. other words, to prosccule an innocent man, tho Presi- 'Q.—~1ad you any convertation with Babcock with re- | dent wishod to know it. DLut Le trusfed in my smx to this maiter? A.—Frequently; probably s | judgment, I wasnot to roport to Lim, but to the At~ ozen times after T arrived hers in Decomber, tarney. General, Q.—If st any tims Gen, Bisbcock sdmitted fo yOU | According tu your Jndgment, the object of the Prest. Abat ho was guilty, please ptate it A.—His admistion | dent in sending you thera wand proper ono to adcer- f they wanted mo Lo got ;;Ltm unnn-um Liabcock e xuny._gus under &hfir:dc]var of hat appointment the Atiorney-Genoral an oy, Q.—Did be admit to you that he was guilty? A.— | Luckay, . ‘Babcock, wero golng to use_you for tho 110ld him what Dradicy asked me to do in Ht. Louls, | purposs of destroging ovidence? A.—No, nol the 1nd, fastead of dissenting. o sald bo didurt withind | itorney-Ganorol, 1a get the ovidence oat of that office unteas I conld g . —ButZtho others—Bradley, and Babeock, nod l‘!':: ;.h:hl: :tn Ll‘;&’nufll 1got part of 1t it would be l‘.uqcko)—wuhcd ynt‘x'. o go lu?lr’o' and zllem'ay the nv"xli et g Braloy wked yon to go1 Ao douce? A.—Ves, thoy wisbed me todo that, I wi sy hors, howovor, that I Liad no intention of goiug asked ma Lo get the evidencaout of tha office and B ket e V0 gok the pride thero Lefdro, bocauso 1 thought my frst duty wus to tho President, and, if I found afterwarda proof of 5 = : dian’t think Lo bmd sont ‘any teleqrams eigned ey Jypst was to be dons with 1t thera? A.—De- | Habcocks ullt, myiutention was, 38 1 proved by my Bl 10 that quartor Jod yart to the inforaea subsequont actions, o inform the President of i, aa Q.—\Vas Col, Luckey presont when Dradley told you | b had roquested., that Lo haa sent teleyrama to somo quarter 7 A todd that? AT believo not. 1 beliovs this was B e, moat aastiredly it wan underslood. in' ‘Bragley's toom 1o ihe = Lindel Hodl, | atnea satef e mestien v et ey donrere | ~'Ql~There was ryetomatical contiivsnco on the The * proposition | was made afier Luckey | Tuterior Department | Aces, 1 4o nol say, though, | B3Etof o ipdicled 1sn o suppreas teathuony syalust came East, in tho latter part of Nevember. Iwedt | ¢hatthe Lresidont hind any Lund in candelng my | Bim 7 A—Ves, air, down with Dradloy and Luckey to tho dopot When | eommisston, I only stato tha factas it rosts, Q.~Dit ho suppress & portion of it A.~Tes, a3 T Luckey wont to take thio traln to romo Esst. I told me 1o conalt with Bradley; that Dradley was ther in iho interost of Gen, Babrock, and that this wholo move was not against Babcock, but sgainst the Presi- deat aud forme {0 oonsult with Bradloy and o act with'bim. QA Bradley told you to get that evidence ontof tho District-Attoriey™ aflice and Lring it te the Lindall Hotal {o bo destroyed 7. A—lle did, A you aitempt to get 187 A—No,air; Idld G.—Why didn't you? A—Well, I thought that was golng ratlisr too fat in th, underatood. I don't kuow of my own knawledgo. Q.—You aupposct, from the knowledgo you derlvail from him oud bis' (riends as to the \racka that ho iubod covared, and evldoace Lo wished Ruppreised, at ITR WAS UNQUESTIONARLY QUILTY 1€ a1l the facta were known? A—That fs the way I undorstood 1, 1 don’t think o Lad auy delicacy in regard o my thinking so, Thero scenied ta bo s dual fevliug fu the woltor, Tho President had one lna of focling, and thoy auother,: —You dow't think tho Prostdent had anything to The witucss prodiiced LETTERS OF DISMISSAL, - which read aa follows ¢ WARIINGTON, Fab, 13, 1870.—DRIARTMERT OF THI InTERTOR, PENSION OFFICE—SIn : You are Loraby dl- racted o raturn at onco to thls oflico sil tho viliclal pa- poss In your posseasion, Very respoctfully, * Cirantes R, GUez. Charles 8, Bell, 1027 Choteau avenuo, 8. Louts. DEPANTMENT OF TiIR INTERIOR, OFFICE OF THE BXO- RETARY, WAAIINGTON, Feb. 16, 1570,~51n : Your ser- a0}, s matter, o o with this attempt to cover up tracka? A.—Not at g ralier oo fae In WwTAlier, o A—Te, | Yices ha'clork of Ginaa %, o' Fandlon Oice, witl bo | 40 D o i Begayors oiy g6 nag's | dispouscd with from aad after this dulg. Rospecttullyy | * On eroms-oxamination by Mr, Danford witnoss statod converauion it Gen, Dabcoek?) A—¥583 L ot | 1 witiafate thst on my ariva o 51 Ly on cho | 42k bo i communleated to Gol. Dy pendiay, Lo bim a2 No, 2100 Pennsylvanis avenue, prodaced a memorandum of the number of tha Louss, &iven bim, ha sajd, by Luckey. In that conversation Lrelated all T had soen and ieard in Bt Louls, and I told Lim of this proposal of Bradlny's. Ho saidhe didn’t wank me to got it unless I got the whols of 1t; Ahat part of it wonld bo wores than nono. 'Tho malter weaa talkad over between us afterwards, sud he remark- od that {f L got 1¢ IT WOULD IF WELL REWARDED. Ti0ld bim I didn’t like to go into it, -X also met his mnnul, llr.‘fiwn-n. Iwas at Gen, Dabcock's house or o ttmes, atocourred thore? A.—Thers was & grest desloflalke Lgave tliom a wrilten report of all Uit T hiad scen and fioard at 8t. Louls. 1 bsveu't & copy of tho geport. Gen, Duvcock, 1 supposc, bus (he o~ poxt. 1 hiad piren thom that’ soport previoua to iy ‘about geting the evidence, suil up to the timo of ‘making that report I ytill thought that tho wmatter was intendod us & political move, bub when I found out I T dropped it, and_went from hiera to New an, 19, and ‘didn't retumn to Washington uniil sbont the 8ih o tlien ook tho Proatdent him information that Haboock was guilty, 1 Linvo miated that I gava tho thing up aftar Dradloy left 8t. Lonis, which was o nightor$wo afler Luckey Teét, and went to Lexington, Ky, From thero T wrots to radloy and ssked bLim fo relurn. my lattar, and he 2ld wo, accompanied with the followlng; Waskinatox, D. O, Dec. 9, 1875, 5, Dell, Keg. : Yours recelved to-lsy, and herowith returned, Iam authorized o raquest you fo come fmmediately, and to #ay you will be cared for. Youra ruly, A-C. Duanuex 5 Fateool, Washlagton, 1t waa intended it T should bo uppolated Spocial Agent in_ tho Attorney-Gegerals ~ ofcs, and 4 (0 8t Louis 1o continne my work, and here Xey of cipher that was iiven to me to communi- cate with, [Tho witncas hera produced the arigiosl of tue cipher publushed in the New York Herald on Feb. 10, Habcock trial everything now glven to tha Commitice, aul thut ho understood that bo was to liave beeu called in robuttal of Luckey, sou somo other witneas whoro namo wos not mentionad, f they bad been called for Bahcock, but as thoy wero not callod neither was ha, By Danford—Doca thut articlo In tho Uerald stals m:‘t Jou engaged toactas aspy on Col Dyer? A,.— 1t die 'Q.—Don't you think 8ccrotary Ohangler d!d exactly right in dismissing you then? A~—Now you have “rkod tno & plata qucation, sud T willtall you that Atr, Ghandler ENEW EXACTLY WITAT I WAH EMPLOYED FOR, Mo asked mo what T went to New York for, Said I, # T want there on matters conneoted wilh Iiabcook,!” 8sid ho, “ Did Gon, Dabcock know you went thero 7' Bald I, "I did, becauso I wrato him a lotter bofore I left* ' Tht tn all tho conversation we had, I dont Kuow that Lie knew tho dotaila of my 8t, Louia em- ployment, bocause I askod him It it was neccssary for me to go Into details, and he ealil ** No," The errand to New Yurk reforrad to in_answer, tho wiluess aubsoquontly sald, was to discover the suthor- ship of certain towspaner articlos publisied malo- ly in the New York Sun, 1le also testillod thet he went on thia business while in the employ of tho Governmont. Ho sald ho had ro- celved 1ifty doliars from tha'ferald for (ha ciphor matter publishiod Tab, 10, but donied that the informa- tiou was fuznishod for pay, or that he wade any bar- galn for it, TATCOCK HAYS IT'R A LIE, Qon. Babeock, Mr. Luckey, sad Mr, A. O, Dradley prosounced tho statement of Bell bo- fore the Commitice as beiug a tissue of falso- loods from begfnning to oud, They denouuco Iell a8 ntterly unworthy of beliof, and say thoy hayo bison aware for somo tima that Boll has been tryiug to disposo of this samo story to any ono who would begomo a purchasor. TUE ATTORNEY-OENEUAL'S FAMOUS LETTER. Mr. Lord, from the Committes on the Judicla~ 1y, to-day submitted s roport on the reeolution nl{zhl of the 14th ¥ebruary, I bad -a consultation with District-Attorney Dyer at his houss, and at which thero wore prosent Ar, Day, whom, 1 ballovo, I knaw i this city, and Mr. Eston, sasistant conusol, 1 sz. plained sll this matter to Col. Dyer as fully as I have explalned 1t to tho Committeo, and he understood what I was doing. e kuow a good dosl of what waa golng on, which it is not nocessary to state to the Committes, Q.~You wero employed on bolh aides, then? A— No, not at all, QI thought you saldl thst Col. Dyer know what you woro doing? A.—ifo know what I was dong. Thero was an, undorstanding, and whon Hogor M. Sherman came out from Az, Bliea' aflice in New York, Lo got Lo books and papers in Mz, Hoag's caagy and 1t 1a susceptibla of proof that they wers turned overto Gen, Babeock’s counsel, and ha furthermore at- templed to carry out in the District Allorney's offica the mission of which I was to have Leeu mcnt, Lut I haviog informed Col, Dyer of that misaion, Mr. Bher- ‘man's efforts did not suceced. Q.—What other persons wero employed by Dabenck, Bradley, and Luckoy in this samoservice? A—I do not know of any other. I wish ths Committee to draw ihe distinction, 1f they will, that ss long as I belle Babeock funooent I was wiling o help him, bus s s00n 881 belioved Lim gulity-— Q.—You throw up tho aponio 2 A.—Yes, G,—1iave they pald you any moro alncs you throw up tho sponga? A.—N0, air: T have never nol them since, 1 linve understood that they desired to sse ma sovoral timos, . YEELING FOR DRISTOW, Q.—DId you over have any communication st all witl: tho Sacretary of tha Treasury aboul this matter T A—No, nir s 1Lind souio with Bluford Wilson befars I weat to t, Louls, Q.—Wore you caroful ta conceal your moyoment from Bocretary Bristow 7 A.—At ttio timo of the lu- ceptian of the plau and untii it arrived at tho point I Lave atated, T was, Q.~DId you over seaany othior telegrams that passed woen Babcock and members of tho Whisky Ring Q.—Wers you appointed in the Attorney-General's office? A1 was not; but T was tobe appolutcd, | sayo thoss that wero given fu evidence against hiin? | reforrad to thas Committos in relation to tho and £ had s card from this Presidsnt to Attornsy-Gon= | & "7 liave novor read the cvidence fully, but I hink | Jeitas 5 eral Vlerropont afinilar 10 the onohad to Bocrelary [ ticre wers olhor tologramettat T saw tist wore latrow | 191i0F, gont by the Attoraey-Guuoral lo tho Chandler, 3 Q.—A card asking te hava you appoluted Bpacial Agont? A.—It didn’t eay #o, “1tsaid, * Thin {u the ‘man of whom I spoke far that sppolatment,” or somo- 1hing to that offect. Inted? A.—That was Q~—Why wero yau not ap about tha Dec, 15, And the Attorney-Uencral do- layed tio appolaundant from day to day, sad, faslly want off with the Congresslonal excuralon, and when 1is camo back ho was delayed, I reportod to the Pros- ident two or thres times, that the appointment had nok been wmads, snd I finally'founa out that tha Attorney- General wis {n consultation with Treasury ofcials, aud he sald that ho had ascertained that B, DYER WOULD NOT GONSENT to my working in_hla ofiicp any longer. 1 saked the Atiorney-Gensral how ho kuew that. i told 1me that b liad had & conversatlon with (sa ‘g expressed 1) Digh official that bo met frequently, he bad aisclosed my namo (o that oficia), and sald to hitn that, If 1 was out thers, and the Districi-Attarney was inimiical to my mission, I would fiud It oub my- sslf, Mo aad that he had casually mentioned {t: that this oficial had come ta his houss, and they had had this conversation, He sald ko had my inatructions all written out fo send 0 me to Bt. Louls, and he ssked mo if T wished to go thers under the circumstances—it ¥ thought I oould b of any use now {lat my misston wus known, I aafd I didu's think I could, 1 reported st to the President, a0d 1t was decided that T would not be any use under the aircumatances 1f 1 was appolnted io the Attorney- Genoral's oftica, United Biaten Atrornoys at St. Louls, Chicago, and MUwaukes, After an exhaustive reviow of the entire subjact, the Committes rocommondsd the adoption of the followlng resolution : Resolved, That, in the Judgment of this Lonso, tha long-ustabllaliod rnls relating to tha totimony of ac- comptices {n criminal actions is necearary lo provent combinatious for eriminal purposes, and” greatly iy in_ (e disclosure of couspiracies 1o commit that tho laiter of tho Atforney- Geperl to the Distmct-Attorneys of the Unitod Btates Tealding in Bt , Chicago, aud Ailwaukeo, dated Jan, 27, 1870, atating tha dotor- minstlon of the’ Attorney-General that no person cone fening himuolf guilty should escape punisiment, is {a contravention of such ruls, and that the Atornoy- Gonersl abould immodiately rovoke the Instructions covered and implicd by the sudouncemont of such detarmination, duced fn the cato, I saw them in Col, Dyer's oftice. Ithink there wero olher telegrams, from tho fact that befors Bradley left t, Louls it was desired that Ishould be particular to gof hold of any telegrams ‘sigmed * B. ¥inch " or * Bulizch.” 1 nover maw thom, bub o X got Liore G, Tabcock told ma that when'ho cama to think of It ho thought thers never eat {0 that quarter, Q~What was 4 hat hs used In that quarter? A~ Bab” sud somotimen ¢ Byiph” 1 Hovor daw by olher siganture than B71ph * a0d ATabn Q.—Why were they not given fn evidonce? A~ cannot say, ¥rom what I lieard in B, Loutu I (funk an attempt was made to {ntroduce thou, but thoy ware fought out by tho defeuse. Q.—Was Jt this pipher that 'you published In the erald on Feb, 10 which_enablod Alr, 1) to deciphor the dispatolica? A.—T dont know that they did not give the key 1o tho clphor in that article, buttt was declarsd two daya aftorwards in a para~ graph. It14a double cipher, Tho words ars mis- spelt and placed fu s certain ordur, sud it would be very difticult to doctphor them withdut a key, 'Q.—Wax any othor member of thin Fresident’s house- hold implicated save Qet, Uabcock? A.—Gen, Bab- cock and Col, Luckey, Idon't think Luckey had any- {hing to do with tho Srhisky. matter, 1 naver saw the aliglitest evidence of it. g Goihem, ua Y undeitand you, Nabeock, Lradiey, and Luckey wero [arica 10 tho schiome 1 =Ai—Yet, airs Q.—And theonly parties? A.—The only parties, 1 WIAT MT, STORRS KNOWS OF DELY. I ordor to obtain somo information condorn- ing tho My, O. 8. Boll who figures in tho fore- golng dispatches, s TrieNE commissioper last ovening callsd on E. A. Btorrs, who, {t will bo romombored, was Babcock’s connsol at the time of Lis tria! in Bt. Louis, Afters few minutes’ informat conversation on’locsl whisky tapics, doi conslder his counsel 21 partiey, Hi xeponter sominrkedy ; Q.—And the object of your goifiy was o1 04 LOVEr Be® aiy viler person in the Have you soon thoso telograma in the Jour- TO OET I(OLL OF TESTIMONY ? Proaident’s bouse with refercuce to this watter, save | nal this altornoon, in relstion to the statements A.~—It was L0 ses what was guing on. Ibad no intene | Qen, Babcock snd Alr, Luckey 1 dou't thiuk I mado in Washlogton by one Q. B, Bali?' *Yes, 1 read them." “ Do you know Ar, Boll 2" 4 VWell, 1 anould rather think I did.* “Who ls ke ?" * A deadbeat dotactive.” “Did he make any proposition to you con- cerning the Babcook cnse ?* “ Yes, ho camo to me at Waehingion and said that the ‘fromsury Departmont bad smployed bim to utoal cortalt papers in the cases of Avery and Baboook." + What did you toll him 2" »1 told bim that he was weloomo®to all the papers be could & from us, sud if he got any tey couldn's do him any good.” *“Wist did hi 10 that 2" * He ati)l inslated that ho had been -n:lml by tho Tressury Dopartment to do as he Biate * What further did you tell him " *1told him if ho could prodace any written contract to $hat effect, I would talk business with i, * What did e say then 7" “ Lo eaid Lo would koe and let me know (o s day or two.” #Did you weo him sgain 7" “Yes, he caine back and atated that he conldn't get a writton contract from tho “Tressory ofii- cwnlsg but be produced an affidavit written by hunsolt Implmum&mulmd Wilson, Dyer, Bris- tow, sod other Treasury ofiicials 10, such & scheme.” * What did you do about it 7" . »1 crogs-oxsmined biin protly closely, and found out that Le was a lnurfi ready to aell out soybody for » &5 bill if he couldn's” get moze, 4ad I bounded bim.* =Did you maks any propositicnste him so tion of taking tho testimony, .~I8 thia cipher in Luckey's handwritlng? Ao Mowt of it, ~Did.you ever communicate witn Luckey by ueans of this ciphier? A.—I did pot; because 1 was not sppalnted by the Attorney-General (o ga out thore, Q—~lfow didyou communicate the information 1 ??z'ml'?m‘"m that you belloved that Dabcock was 24 avor spoke ta Babeock sbaut it {n tlie Fresdent's taan- son. 1 gensrally met bt at Lis restilonce, or at his room on Fenusylvaniaaventie, 1 wont thero openly, TUE PIEDIEPONT LYTTER. Q.~Da you know anyihing about thu putlication of Atio Attortioy Qeueral's fustruciions to District Attor- noys? . A.—Nothiug whatovor. 1 Lind mothlng o do wilh the Attornoy Uenaral’s olico after about the Gret of e year. Q.—You never saw the written fnstructions that the Aticrnoy-General Lad projared for you, when you wore L0 go 10 8k Louis T A— did not; I kuow noth- ing about thotn § ouly What he uisted lo e, that be bad prepared them. That was athta reatdouce on Vers moul avenue, I bt him thiera unce or twico, Q.—tlow did you hapxd o be at 8. Lonls when Luickey caue out thore? A.—T Nvad thiore tempors A—~Twont three thnes and triad Lo bave an uterviow with him, and falied, sad then 1 put the Ahing in & abiapa that T could QET IT 70 UIN, T got 1t o him through a newspaper, T pul it in that Way Lecause I did not caze to trust anyiing in writ- 1ug fu tho Lands of any oas thore (o 4o Lo the Prosi- deat, o b my wmind (Bat the case was I 4 Tcould da notbing further 1a 4, .18 what newspaper did you mske that publics- 'realdent, und e u‘“‘ 3 reachad B, b 1hsve resson to be- —1D your conversation with Babcock AL Tustiar, 1 you 84y 0 Rifm that pon b’ St o bis guilt? A.—No, sir. I t0ld b what evidence was there, “Other evidouce caws in juay Leforo I left thore, and I tld bitn what the ovidenro wae 8o fa1 as Tiuele., Ho ropestadly wild o mo (ot (here ‘wers papers aiditelograms of bis which, if the prosscution Dok Eicid oI, would. be almost i poaeibre. for wots o sxplan, . [ saw bim frequenily for » pariod of per Bape thres wocks. .—Who pald you for the od ut there? A~ rocuved % YEIY l-fl'";: PAY. l:l’l".‘ln‘.” e thaps $200, 1t was ta me by Bradlcy and Bal ok Pihion, 1 went away frot BL Louir | uad givea p e case but whem [ recetved ubls commuuication from Bradloy 1 gave up a poailion that was paying me about §200 & mnfnlh w?;cmp-uon bero, and then, aflar & delay of sbout Bve weeks, I rucalved, this appoinimeny in tho Interior Departwént, snd, thres days sfter, | communicated this (aformation to the President i re. calved twy conge, - . 5 Q;—ers you fo be emplayed |n. tae Dtelct Mtor. DoY's office at Bi, Lowia by Bradley, Luckey, and Bsb~ Gock for any othey purposs than L sttexpi Lo preveat Tily, J:—Did you go ta scs Luckey or did bo come ta o8 007 A.—I went 10 weo Avary, and Luckey was thero, kuow Lt proviously, Q.—How did thoss negotiations commencs betwesn you snd Luckey 7 A,—On account of my negotiations sod interview with Avery, Avery had been » good friend of rmine i the Dopartment, aud at that time 1 Dbeliovod kim 1o be innacent, and | always beliaved s0 Gutil Lis tad teinent 10 we st the Lindell Hotel Jusl befory convicted. .—Wae theru any bargolu betwoen you end Luckey 81 W what you were Lo recctve Incase you goi that evidence 1 A.—No, alr, 1 made & bergaina with ten whutever, Q.~Did be ever make you any promies sa o whal could pay 7 A= did not before b tert . . _Llewad thatof conrse § woukl bu very liverally vaid. " T told Lam T dudn't care for taat, "D Babeack mak. you any promia MR A~Not thers, ile did here, 3 ea! Wverally yald it 1got the evtdence atf, Dalch that { wav working n bl rYices Wiat you reudes- It waa uot a0 s interest as that d vee garded tlie wliolo watter v s political miove ab thap e, aud 1 deaired to acrve oy old cammander if I coulll, 1hiad very little scqualitenco with Gen, Babe cocx, and L had 00 spactal {Dtorest or aympathy with r Q.—Do you think tast If Ocn, Baboock had beesi innocant tan be would nnm:unquuflin: olandostinely corral any documenta belonging to the prosccution in tho Baboock cans 2" “Buch an idea novar entorod my head, and I nevar mado any proposition to him whataver, axcept Lo get tlint contract batweon imaelt nad tho Treasury Dopartment which bLe bosated of liaving made." liora 1s that aMdavit now? ™ that lnvnnllfillln Committoo at Washington." * DId Luckey, the Prostdont's Heoretary, have anything to do with blm " » 1 beliova lie did somo little work for him, o and Luckey ueed & c}ghnr telegram, and Boll 8old it to the New York Ilerald for 860." **\an Do!l & partner of that Dotactive Porier who {8 now In thia city ?"* #1 bollove not, butthoy are birds of a feather, —hath deadboats.' This torminated the [nterviaw, and the re- portsr withdrew. —— SPRINGFIELD. BMITH, MABPKH'S OLERX. Bpectal Disvalch to The Chvcagn Tribune Benixaricip, 1L, Darch 81.—There is this much fartbor than was telographod last night concerning Al Smilb's laying down, and Tus Tninuwe correspondont gots it direot from ono who was counsst for Al Bmith and John Harpoer’ boforo and aftor the dofalcation in tho lattar's offico, and knowa oxactly whoreof ho affirms. In somo proper mannet tha Boorotary of the Troae- ury was ndvised that Bmith could toll somewhat of intorost corinectod with tho dofaleation, if as- surcd of sacquittal on tho criminal charges againgt him in connection with tho Pokin eraok~ odness, Bmith waa assurod of conaldoration It he wonld make o clean broast of It What tho Goverumont oficors, It seoms, most dealred waa Information na to what had become of tho monoy. Thig information Bmith gave, and it wan to tho offoct that Iarpor got moat of tha monoy and apont it recklossly and foolishly, rathor than for any corrupt purposs. Homo wont {nlo grain specnlation, Bmith, your eor- respondont iy assured, afirms that, whilo pers sonsliy Harper contributod liborally for political purposes and ospoaially for hia porsonal friends when they were running, yot thoro is no ovi- dence of corrupt contribulion for campaign porposcd. 8mith's confosslon docs not show that any politician profitod by tho defaloation in the sonso of boing party to it. ON THE CONTRATY, ths mattoer, according to Bmith, had no political connection other than this: Bonatora Logan, Ogleaby, Gov. Deveridge, tho Ion, 8. A, Qul- Tom, an all the politicians of State_raputaiion in this district, wurg intimato scquaintancos of Harper, whose offiod waa a political haadquartors Just prior to and long bofora tho defaloation, but thore ia no evidonce to Justify a belief that they know hio waan't straight, or to bellove that Bona~ tor Oglesby recommondod Al Bmith for Oollac- tor, koowlog Lim for years to bo rivyy to tho _dofsleation, "or that Gov. avoridge and BMr. Cullom held long and inti- mate acquaintance with s defaulter, and woro privy to it, or that all the leading politicians of the district and the Governmont dopositories wero in the samo Doat ; swhoresa tho strongest allogation 1n that thore wore toclmical irrogu- lanitics by tho Government dopositories and othor banks in roceiving and gnylng monoy on Harpor's acconnt irmgn arly, It is not nllcfid to what oxtent Bmith lay down on tho Pekin distillors, but he probably told all ho knowabont hia former pals in the orookednosa of tho Pekin Alcohiol Manufacturing Compauy, nnd thoy may fool called upon to rotaliate, and Harpor to fall into line also, to donounce Smith's confession, gt MISCELLANEOUS. MILWAUREE. Special Dispaleh o The Chicaae Tribuna, Mivwavgze, March 81.—The Nuanemaochor os8q took up & whola day, and, from prosent ap- poarances, will last woll into noxt woel. - The Rindskopt case was continuod 1l nfonday, A motion to dlsmies tho complaint on scconut of the inanfciency of tho ovidonce was takon un~ der advisement, 810UX CITY, 1A Sperfal Dirnatch to The Chicano Tribune, Broux Qity, [a., March 81.—William Lirch, & saloon-keopor, waa finod $500 nod costs by Judge Lowis Iu tho Distriot Gourt Lioro to-day for aell- iug liquor contrary to the statute. Thero were sovoral others indlcted, who, #8 soon a3 thoy heard of Lirch's fluo, ploadod gullty and were fined abans %60 aud costs each. BITTINGER GETS OFF IS HIGH HORSE. 81, Louts, Maroh 31.—J, L, Bittiogor, of 8t, Josoph, against whom an indictmont for con- spiracy to detraud tho Unitod States Rovenue waa found at Jofforson City, two or throo wooks 8go, and {o which ho ploaded not guilty, ap- pesred bafors the Unitod States Court at Jolfor- #on Uity to-day and withdrew lus pleao? not guilty and snterod a plea of guilty, ———— RAILROADS, THE GRAND TRUNK. The following from tha Now York Triduns shows that tho Crand Trunk ia etill ongaged in fts good work in kesping down the rates be- twoen this city and the East: Difforences among the grest fraight lines fo the ‘West are 30 frequent that rumors of war are the rule rather than tho exception, Witliu a fow daya thera hiave buen roports of tmpending diftcuitles, m regard :: which statementa to the following effoct wnn“mn:la oo & Zridune reporter at tha oflk the largo companies: Frolght rates have nover beon firmer than mnce the inntng of tho resent year, though among railroad companles thero are always suspicions, very Aifficult to verlfy, that soms of the roads sre J;nnuly 4 cutting ratos," and carrying freight below the tarlf prices. Any cufting st z:u\ml 1s in Esst-bound Fates, which sre regulated {n tho Weat, thoro bolng no troudle in the West-bound retes, which are seitled fn Now York. The cutling of rates by tho Grand Trunk Rallway affects Now York busincss mon by draw- ing morchiauta to Boston, where, aftor buying goods, thy can save on the traurportation to the Weat. ‘Il origin of the present rumors is the genaral reduction Ly the leading roads in_the rates from Olicago esst ward, for faurth-class freight, which includes grain flour, and meat In bulk, Thia reduction, which wen| into affoct March 23, was brought about by & eutiin dowh of rates for that oluss of frelght by the Gran Trunk Railway, to which tho otbar roads pulled to conform, ST. PAUL & PACIFIC, Special Dunateh to The Chisago Tribune, Br. Pavr, Minn,, Maroh 81.—The new man- agoment of the 8t. Paul & Pagjfic Raitroad com- ploted oporating arrangements to-day by new appolntments, Hupt. Bowall resigne. Gonersl Manager Farloy, also Recolver of tho oxtonsion linoy, will take the Buporintendont’s duties, The treo-plantiug deparimont is sbolished, Ian- dall, * Asaistant Treasurer, s uuccseded by Nichols, of New York. Tuo Assistant Buper- intondont, Purolissing Agent, and Right-of-Way Agent are disponsed w! Hermana Trott ro- mofos Land Cdmmissionor, but {4 succoeded as Troasuror by J. Botstord, President Darnoa loso managsment, and the expenals re teaus for improvement of the roadway sud rolllng-uloak. The Btato Forestry Association, through Hodge, ex-Superintondent of Tree-Planting for the mr:ny. is presented with 8,000,000 “of cuttin ithe Company's nurseries. PASSENGER RATES, The new possenger tariff of the Ohieago, Mijwaukos & 8t. Panl and the Ohicago & Northe western Raitrosds goea lnto offecs to-dsy. Tho Companies roturn to the 4 conta per mile,—the rata of 1872,—on local business, and will lssus yound trip tickets from snd to all stations in° Wiaconain at § conts per mile in accordance with tho law passed by the Legislature. A naw froight tari? will alao be lusued by those roads in a day or two. ‘Lo Wisconsin Central Rallrosd will aleo re- tura to tho 4-centa-per-mile rato on local tickota on tho Milwaukes Division, but will make no change on it8 lino woat of blonasha. This Com- rmy has #otd ronnd trip ticketa at s large reduo- lon for two years paat, and will contioue the practice betweon all fta atations, Li willalso woll 500-mile tickets on each divialon. THEU. P, Tho managers of tho Union Pacifio Raliroad were in the city yestorday and held a confor- euce with the manag of the Chioago, Bur- lington & Quincy; Chicsgo, Rock Island & Pa- cifio; and Chicago & Northwestern Ratlroads regarding tho location of the eastorn termings of the Union Pacific at Councll Bluffs. CENTENNIAL PASSENGERS, - The goneral tickel and passengor sgents of the railroads leading from this city Esat bave madearrangements that the rate for sransferring Clnlunnhlgpunngn!l through Chicago be ro- duoed {n proportion with tho tickets, TRICHINAE. Epectal Dispste to The CAtcaos Tridune, INplaNAvoLls, Ind., March 81,—A German family named Isufmsn, in this city, have all beon slck with trinchine splrelos, snd one mom- Lo, = young Iady, Las dled, Tha motber's can- ditton is consldored beyond recavery, The other member will ges well, it s thought., Quiten number of casea of this kind are auppossd to be 'l: “-‘x-uunu bars, but physiclans do 804 seposs 1t ia in eafo hands, and will be exbibited to | ry went with tho dam. vostige romaing of two tonoment-housea just bolow =nd to tho right of Dottomiy's salinet mill, - WORCESTER'S FOLLY, A Visit to the Ruifs Loft by That Mighty Rush of Waters, List of Losses Resultiug from (hy . Bursting of the Dam. 'j!ixe Aggrogato Will Foot Up More than One Million Dollars, Hill Hon and Bailroad ‘Authorities Already Preparing Their Claims Against the City. Three Persons Missing and Supposed to Havo Boon Bwopt away. A 100R AT TIE RUINS, Bpeciol Dispated to The Chicago Tribune, Wonogaten, Mass, BMarch 91.—"To {hy rulus,” was tho logoud which ovory atage-coach, horso-car, aud omnibus boro to-day, and yot the road waas linod all day Jong with pedontrisns g whom tho 4-milo tramp woa ms nothing com- pared fo thoe sight at the ond of thio pilgrimags, Probably 8,000 or 10,000 visited tho scone during tho day. Thoy found ovidences of the flood along the whola valley, although tho foroe was evidontly spent within the firat 5 or G miles. The gap at tho dam was abont 60 foot wide and 40 dosp. Half a mile bolow, whoero once way & boautiful mesdow, was & confusod Lioap of groat bowlders, trocs, and eéand 50 or GO feot In hoight, and splinters of housos and barns, The first mill gteack, that of J. A, Salth & Co., hag its chimnoy dtanding, but almost all tho machine. Loss, 875,000. Not a Loss about §20,000. A corner of Ash. worth & Jonos' mill, ono of the finedt o tho country, wont next, and with it the boiller and piccos of mmachine. fy from eanh floor. 'Thoy manufaotured Union beavors. It will take throe montha lo ropair, and cost thom 870,000, TALEZ ‘A DOZRN BOANDS sroall that romaln of thelr tyo dams. J. A, Hunt'a satinet mill, employing twenty-five hands, has logt ita dye-boude, boller-houss, and ‘wheol-house, and s small pile of rocks and ssnd marke the site, Thoe dam of Darliog's mill also want, with tho whaol of bis tronch, At James- willo tho freight depot waa left standing like an onsls fn the dosert, Four tracks piled ono on top of tho othor sbow how it was domo, A targe forco was rapidly putting fo trostles on which to run a gravel train to- flil in a wash-ont 400 foot long. Just abovo tho road two more long déms washed away, Dolow was a loug coal-shed, and tho hundred tona which ft con- talnod aro In tho bottom ‘of tho chnnnel or scat torod over tho flelds, ThoJamen Mill I3 a<kroe- story briok mill, ovor 200 foot loug and 20 foot abovo tho rivar, and yot it was ISOLATED DY TIE WATER FOR BEVERAL MINUTTS, and, had not tho dam yloldad, the wholo struc- ture must havo gono. _As it was, tho end was carriod away, nlso o large storchouse full of macbinery and supplios. ~ T.oss svout $50,000, At Btoneviilo thodam has gone, The tape mill i badly damagod and tho bridgos have gone down. At Leesvillotho dam and new bridge aro gono. At liopovilla the Trowbridgevilie mill wont, and Just below, ac Now Worcoater, Curtis & Marble's machine-shap and Ourtis’ woolsu-mill wero badly damagoed. Loss abont $15,000. Thoond af tho machino-shop weny down and BTRUCK TUE STONE BIIDIT under the Doston & Albauy Iload, carrying it sway. Bolow heto aron fow small bridgos, but the loas is nominal, The loss o tho Boston & Albany fs about 875,000, for 400 foot of om- bsokmont washed away, 1,000 foot of track waanod out of placs, and two double-arch stone bridgos. Trains will be running Tucsday. One question of the most serlous imnort to the city, which has improesod iteolf on thominds of all tax~payers, is TIK EXTENT OF TIE CITY'S NESTONBINILITY forthe work of last wnight. The miil-owners havo but oue mind. Thufl Eay that tho city hiad warning. They know that ‘thero was alnak under the dam at the gato, and tho gunge which had been put in showed that its capacily was variable. Then, too, tho mill-owmers nad wam- od tho city that thicy did not think tho embank- mont socaro, _Thoy now oxpect that the Boston & Albany Company, as grestost” losor, will bogin smt, and they will foin, so that all suite may follow the {ssuo of the first. IFow lawyora sosm to doubt that thoy have a clsim, The Uity Bolicitor, though not conceding it, doos not de= ny tho fact, A prominent member of the Loge islaturo, who was on tho Committea on tho il River Flood, and one of the boat lawyers in the Btates, dooa not hesitate to say that thoy HAVE A STRONG CLALY, - from tho fact that the chenges suggostod by the engineer woro not mado, and that tho city had not nnpged tho loak which, was Lnown ta exlat. If the clalin {8 pronouncod legal, all the mill. owners will recover for loss of machinery, stock, and interest, an woll a5 proapective profits, while the rallroad will demand a large sum_for intors ruption of froight and passongor traflic, aa well 38 the cost of Tobulldiug two utone bridges and the long embankment. Add to thls the vatuo of tho water lost, $100,000, snd tho oost of the daw, §110,000, and it will bo soon that the total fsa iuzo amount, (70 the Ausociated Iress.) n ADDITIONAL FACTH, ‘Woncenren, Mnea, March $1.—Tho flood by the dam dissater did no material dsmago below Houth Worcestor, Tho Blackstons River vnlls( was uot harmed. Tho lossos, in part, are estl- mated 25 follows; City of Worcostor, dam and resorvolr, 125,000, bosidos tho summer's supply of wator, £5,000; Georgo W. Olney's houso and , 100,000 'J. A. Bmith & Co., ou mill snd tenoments, and tho mill ownsd by Wright Botherly, and occupled by A, E. Bmith, from £15,000 to £20,000; mwill, olo, €7,000; J. A Hunt, satinet mill, $6,000; tho Boston & Alhany Radlr two bridpen washed out; Ourtla s Marbie, oo mill, £2,000: the Wicks Manufactor- ing Company, $350,000. Tho City of Worcoater »l50 logos largely, perisps 15,000 I:!y damago to h!gh\u{?. bosidos damage by the falling of the milla, Nearly avery dam fs destroyoa, One man and o boys are missing, and ard supposed to have boen drowned. 'he city ia alroady building » dam on Parson's Lrook to éocuro o supply of water, Nowators famines 18 apprebonded. Providenco souds two firo-stesmors until the water-supply ia accurod. HAILBOAD DAMAGE, Boaton, Mass., March31.—A ummlah recolved atthe oflice of the Bosion & Albany Lailrosd thiy mornlog, from their Evginoor, says thats! tho first double-arch tho pler is gouo, Tho abut mont is Jett, Thore is & bholo about GO feot decy ab the noxs arch, The stono work is half gont aod ruined. ‘bo north balf of the arch will be blown out. There ts a bole 100 {uutu:fi and 40 foot doop at tho frat crossing. Hoyo the arch there ia a hole foot loug and 20 foot decp, ¥rom thero to Janeavillo tht traok I ruined. At Janesville the arch culvor! 18 gane and 800 feet of the opoaing, about foot deep. This brosk {n tho track shuts oft s conpection with Worcester by thowmain ling, sud strains, which aro decreased in oumber, HOW rtoach that city over branch rosds by making & detour of 45 miles, It ia impossible to form any definite estimato of the damago eustsine by sho Boston & Albany corparstion, sud it rondbed cannot be repaired aud track pub working order until Monday at tho very earlié « —— e OBITUARY. OLD JOHN HAMLIN, PEORIA. Bpeeial Lispalch to The Chkauo Tribund, Pronua, 111, March 81.—Last night John Hame ln, who eamo to Peoris in 1631, and bas lved hore aver since, died at tho advanced ago of 70 Mr, Hamlig was born in Wilbrabam, Mass., 10 1800, sod emigratod West i 1819. In 1831 Le reached what was then known sa ¥t. Clark; but is now Pooris, and established s trading-post with the Iudlans. Ho was widely kuown throoghout the West, sud has held mauy oftices in this county and State. In 1825 ho built the firut {rame Liouse ever ereoled {u Peorls, aud 1828 bought and run_tho firsb keel-boat in the e i o B o, o 0 0 setiler, probably, in 103 Fuaarad 1a aaadusced for Suadsy afiasseos