Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, April 27, 1875, Page 9

'TIIE TILTON-BXECHER TRIAL, —— Continned from Fanrth Page, ; Sl <L EE— shrelng that 1ivas; you don't kaow the effeot of any slugle ‘word that you drop; you don't knuw tho efiect of any -aingle aok of your llfo, what It §s golng to he npon nuy *othier buman soul, und therofora you nrw not responsible. Q. Yott don't bolluve In freo agency, thent A, Agonoy nnd freodom nre two swords that arc su tlumet tently ope 0nod 10 onchi othor that 1 canuot winderstnud that. they ‘bolong togothor at ull, by Q. Well, perhapa It s covored iy your anawer that you don’t boliove in porsonal responsibiiity for humsy ne- tion? A, No, 8ir; L donot. Q. That !, no mutter what n perron may do on this enrth, thero is no just reponslhility— A, Yes, Bir; thoro I8 Juat roaponsibility In this wises It any human sout bellaves in Gud, andt asks to ho protected from evll, wr rather undoveloped apirits, and Is jolned unto the Divine Bpitit of God, or, ratheras our Lord and Muster aald, “gratlod into o true vino, whinh 15 tho Eon of “@od,"” then no evil can appronch them. If any human mowl will ask Gol to protect them, throngh onr Lord utd Paator Josua Ohirlst, thon thoy whil Le protocted; and in “£hat wite thry aro responsiblo, Q. But you any thit every human sonul at ita birth Ia at onod under tho influence of this olreling hand of splritat +A. That God appoluta for thom ; yes, Bir. Q. And that thoso nfluences which nro hlessed In the Mreat inatanoo beeome Injictous only by the permission of itho Tordt A. I don't think thay ever hecome Injurious, “hoonuse when auybody’s spiritusl viston Is opened so +that thoy can soe, tey will sco that il evil fuouly n miannor of yrowth that the Lord permits overy kunnn noul to go into for thelr growth, nnd for tholr spiritunl »&n0d, soon or Iate. Q. That 1a, It nmon nota badly, it is n sort of Qodly als- raipline to maky him better? A, No, Biv; I dun'tsny ithat; that is your words, not mine. Q. Well, T only supposed that tohe the result of yonur principlo. A. No,8ir; [only wish to say that God sces "tho end of svory human bolng's lfe, and just exactly an o +Morist glves ovory lttlo flower Just exactly what It needs for Ita growth, nnd its bost growth, ae God, our Ieavenly } ¥athor, glves every humnn soul Just exoetly tho discle +pling, and the lifo, and the oxpetience, that that human +aoul toods, not to glorify God, but to devélop thit bunay aonl Into ity hikzhost and Lest und tobl.at petsibilitica, Q. Wall, you heltovo in forc-ordiontion? A, Not us the ~Church tencher it s no, 8lr, Q. No, [dun't supposo you hellevn o it s the Church tosohea it. A, T bellevein relucurnntics Q. Well, Lunderstand you that you are n mediam, as -you bollevy, through whom departed spirits communi- wnto Lo Lho visible, materlul world 1 A, Yes, Hir; Lam, Q: You hnve: 1o stoubt nbont that? A. bave no more oubl ubout {t than { huve that Uod lives, or that you w0 questioning mo now; it 1 not belief, It Is knossled, I not ouly know that they communieato with e, It 4ce thom plainly; I have oven scen . spirit by you whils Fouara tatking to mo; I seothemn and hear thew at tmes, Q. Well, 11 that ono of the good or bad ones? § would Like toknow. [Laughtor.] A, Ienunot tell you; only 1 should think it was o daugbter—a youn, i Q. Woll, 1 havo got ouo of that kind. Weli, madam, pass from that subject. A. I am pecfeetly willlug to 2inger on thut suljeot, for I win wote lotorested fn it shan Lam in auything clue, Q. Waoll, T huve no doubt of It, madumm, It In very inter. aating lslening to your ideas, It relleves us from a Kool sToal of rosponalbility hioro. When wu you diverced from Bir. Daniclat A, In tho month of Mareh, } Q 18741 A. Yus8ir. . And whon wna you married to Dr. Paimer? A, In a #£ow days altorward; no, I was o few weels atier, Q. O, it s unbmportant, A, It was a very short timo, Limovw. Havo you any sympathy with the soclllstic doctrines of thoe times, Mrs, Palmert A, Well, It you wiil tell e what you maoan by thot, then I will answer your ques- tion, Q. Well, T juigo from the fact of your obiaining n divorce and belng marrled to your presont husbund, that Fou ballevo fu the propristy and sanotlty of tho norriage kolationt A. Most certaluly, and alsways hinvo dono so, Q. Andyou hiave no sort of aympathy or countelance Yor what s called tho freclove doctrines! A, No, 8lr, -aud nover hind. Q. That i3, indiseriminate assoclation! A. The only aympathy that I ever had With tho doetrine of freelove s that T beliove thut men and women stiould itve Bbnppily gothor ; Lbnt ls, husbands and wives should do all thut In thelr power to wmako onch atticr happy, and to live appy fu thiv lifo, and after both luvo tried and dono ithelr boat, and It bocomea utterly impossible In the na- Rure of thingy for them to live togother linppily, then I lMove Ln thoir sepatnting legally, aud, It they clicose, eunite thomaclves with others, it thoy find auy one clae ‘whom thoy love woll enough to marry In tegnl bonds. Q. Yoa; you believe un lonest and o scrlous effort Atiould bo mado for u appy aasoclutlont A, Iwost cer- tafaly do. Q. Autif that oannot bo necomplished, it there Is in. vinolblo uncongenlulity botween tho husband und wife, Wly thou yuu bulicve 1o the proprlety of thelr epara- tlont A. € most certatnly do; their legal separation; sud Lbellove inno uthor -relation, wave the relation of Litand and wite, 1don't bolleve In nuy prowdscuity elthor In marrlugo or out of marringuy, Q. Well, tako bur own Btato for Instance, whero o dl- woros Iaonly nllowed—that o, an abolite dlverce—far NEW-YORK DAILY TRIBUNEK, TUESDAY, A A, Oh, 1 conld not o1l yon to savn my Nt T went there ones after that, with Mra, Woodball s Migs, Clafiln, Q. Can you not tell 1o somcthing nbout the appear- anco of tho place? A, Irecolloct gulg wp ono fight ot Atulra; thoy were rathor narrow atafras aund T recollect that thero wore two rovins, 1 don't recollect anything about the offico, tho firat timo £ went thcees I wus only Q. Wull, It was tho same place gou recognizod t was the samo placo, Q. That will o Just as wall, then, Well, ean yon plvo uAany further partleularst It waa up t narrow flight of Fluirs, anid two rooms? A, There was ono roem that opened out of tho other; hut whethor there was uny entrunce from thnt oflico T eon't tell, It seemed to ho Monlton's und Tilton's uflico tagethor; Mr. Monlton was thera the second timo (hat Fwent thers ; and T went thero for tho purpose of heing intraduced to Mr, Monlton, Q. And how long was the eecond tie sfter tha first1 A, Only a few duya, Q. Then it was In Jonunry, 1871, prohably, that yon metMr, Moulton thero? A. February; § think 1t was Fehruary, Q. February, that you mot Mr, Bloulton thero? A, Tt waa; Ithink It way Febrry, Q. And waa thore Introduced to him1 A, Yez, Sir, Q. By Mr. Tiltont A. Yes, 8ir; went thoto to bo fu- (rotured to him, Q. Youwent there to Yo Infroduced toiim? &, Yes, Hir, Q. Who did yon go witht A, Mrs, Woodhull, and e, Tliton, and Miss Claflin, Q. You went with Mr, Tilton, Mrs, Woodlull, ani 3133 Claltin? A, Yos, Bir, Q. In Fobruary, 18711 A, T cannnt sy (hnt. jt.was Tehruary ; It might have been Marel; but T think it was Fehruary; it was cold weather, Q. Well, T underatowd yorto may It wasn fes dnyanfior the firat timo you went to that office? A, Yos,Sir, Q. And tho thrat tle you way was In Januery 1 A, Jun- uary or Pebruury, Q. 18711 A. Janwary or Fehraary, 1871, Q. Woll, Tunderatond you to suy January, and to have a0 on the direct oxamination, and elso on tha erosz, A TRk r you will look carofully that T aatd Junnary or Febrnary, Mr. Shearman—Tho Inst of Janudry or the firat part of Fehruary art3—Tho Inat part of January or the firat part of Fehruary, Mr. Boachi—Yes: T rememher that, The Witness—Well, thia that T hiavo just bean apenking of nkght have boen anto Httle time nftor: T conld ot tell the thae ;- 1t Is confused fn my mind: T eould not tell tha arcomd thme I went thoro; It might bave been weeks nfterwared, M. Heueh—Well, Mrs, Palmer, T nover hotd n vitn purtleularly to datea or times; whers @ yon first gt tiequuinted with Mr. Tilton? A, That s the Arst e T oser wusy him, the time that Twent to this ofll or suid to hie office, with Mrs, Wonrthull; that 13 the first time T eversav him in Now-Yorl, Q. Theg your pardon; T swas Inattentive to tho first part of your answer; waa it at his office that you first breame nequainted with Mr. Tlltent A, The firal thme T eaw Lfm s at Boston, st o teeturo whero Weudell Phit- Jips preaided., Q. The polnt {4, whore did ron firat become nequninted with Uim? A, The first time T heenma aequainted with hitn, ov spoko to hiuy, was in this oftlee when Mra, Wood- hutdl went with me to seo hin, Q. 8o T underatood; aud how roon after that intervlew at the ofico whoro you found Mr. Tillon Ud you sea him ut Mrs. Wondhull’a ofienl A, Oh, I think tha noxt Vext day; and from that time constautly on, nlmost daliy? A, Yea, Bir, Q. Well, you got to ho pretty well acquainted with bim, Ltake 61 A, No, 8ir, Tdld uots My, Tilton v g over had noythlug to asy to mo—scarvely notleed that T W presont, apparontly, Q. Well, ean you toll whethor this offiee whors you’ s Mr, Tilton lad tho appearance of an editarial suetum 1 A. T coulil not tell you suything nbout that, rave that T snwu tablo there with somo papers on it, and a desk tn an inner room whore Tsaw Mr, Mowton, nil there was o 1ttt marine pleturo hnnging on tho wall—a itlle—T ahould think it wos 0 water-color pleture, » Mitle sea view, hanglug on tho wall, and I was only tlicra n fow monents or s short thue; that Is the only recollection T bave of It; I haven't n very good memory for those things; 1nm very absentaninded; Lmight come into thia room and st hiere an hour, and 866 nothing that is here searcely—could not el you anything abont It, wnless something fixed it on my mind—sometbing detiulto flxed 1t on my mind, Q. Thut Ia when you are In ono of your medlumistie conditlons? A No, Blr, it f my constant habit, Q. DId yon havo n convorsation, on thik oceaston whon you wore introducod to Mr. Moulton, with Mr. Mouliond A. No, 8ir; diss Cinflin wont {here to ses hlin en soimo Jnw buaiuess that had nothing to do with the— Mr, Byvarts—That intorviow ia not ono that wo h opaned, Sir, und it 5 not ono that thoy huve a r) give, Mr. Beach—T haven't gona into It T will nslke that, though, it your Ioner pormits me—if alio called with Mra, or Mlug Claflin, and Mias Claflin wished to consuly M. Moulton on sumo Jaw husiness, Judae Nellson—Well. The Winess—Woll, you would havo to lot me telt the wholo story in ordor to got 1t. 3. Beach—L huve no ohjection, if my lenrued friends do not objoet. At va to adultery, low would you got your uncongentat apirits apart acconding tolawd A, Well, I don't know Low to nswor you, heenuss Idon't kmow tho question youare klug mu. - You aro supposing a question. [ don't want,| Mo suppose any questions, Iwant yon to ask mo Ppinin ngllab. 1 s willlng to nuawer auythlug you will esk o, Q. Whers Jdid you obtaln your divorcot A. Here, in &l Btato, 1 i_én tho ground of ndulteryt A, Yos, Sir, Q. Buppono o cuso of uncongenlnl assoclation of hna- t:ud and wife, whero it waa impossible for them to iive pplly together, and no pretepas of adultory wpon relther slde, have you any theory in regard to them what should bo the practice of the twa? A. Yes, Bir; I have. + Q. Well, whotisft1 A. My bollof is that thoy shonld EM"hl o the Logiulature and liave nn actpaased that hall onablo non and women to soparate decently, Just as oy somo tugother decently, without compelling efther s or tho othor to bocome & eriminal in order to be free. Q Woll, supposn the Loglslature would not grant rellct, hat would youdothent A, Twould getup a petition would go from Malna to Georgly, and get evory un- PPy an, or woman, or child to sign it, und compel the oglalator—the Loglstaturo~leglslutors to pass that act, Jpuch aa aot. + Q Woell, suppose, aftar nl], ths Tegislatnre would not; mvhint thon would you do? A, Iean't suppuse an mpog- Alblllyy, (Laughtor and applauso,] * Q. Dat you would gotrid of the nesoclation in some way? A. No,8lr; if there was no wny to get nwoy from nlognfly and righttully, I would stick by it und wk Gud Lelp wo to vudury i - —— THOE WITNESS'S INTRODUCTION TO MR, TILTON, Q. Well, that wonld be very honorable, I ndqratand you to eny thut you beeame acquninted with E{r. Thtou abont the Inst of Junuary or flist of Februury, 8711 Xcau't oall it an acqualntanc 1 Q Yousawhim? A. Yos, Blir, 5 Q Well, you wera introduced to him1 A, Yes, Eir, . Q. And couversed with him? A, Yes, 8ir, Q. Well, about that date you saw and conversed with ®im, both at The Golden Age office and L Mrs. WoodLull's fioo-~bunsineas oMoo—in Now-York! A, I don't lmow hothor it was The Golden 4geoflico; Mra. Woodhull sked mo to go with her to call upon Mr. Tilton. | Q. It i not proper for me to call for her eonveraation; E:fl only want to know the point or place where you Isaw Lhwm, W Mr, Tilton? A, I don’s know wheredt wan; it was uld to bo— Q. Yundorstood yon to say it was at his office ¥ A, Mrs, ‘oodhull sold 1t was; I dou't know anything about lt; I nan't moquainted with the clty; I dldu’t know anything b all about tho streets, aud I don’t know whers the otlice }wan, and could not tell you ta save my life. N . QI waa golng to ask—— A, It wou't do ury gocd, ough; I don’t imow where it is. | Q It was tha ofice of The Golden Age! A. 1don't Jmow, Bir, . 1 Q As you underatood A, The Gulden Age worn't ‘atarted then. Q. Woll, it was athisoffioad A, I don't know. ' Q It was said to bo his ofco? A, Mrs, Woodbull ‘Sald 1§ was his office—or—1 don't kuow that sho zald it ‘“was his oftice; T would not awear fo that; sho asled we R0 go with hor to sce M. Tilton. Q. You have aworn to-day on the direct examination, wod you havo now—— A, 1awore ihat § went with Mre, ‘oodhull. Q Tohisofficet A. Ysupposed it was hin office. Q. Well, you wers told it waa Lis oflice, you eay, by Birs, Woodhullt A, Wel, I sbould have to makoa oo Feotlon thero; I could mot awear thut she sald it was hils Bfloa; I don't know; my jmpresslon 1s that she eaid 1t !was bis offlce; I supposed 16 wos Wis ofice; 1 went there “with hor, and that was the lmpression on iny mind It was s offico; 1t might 10§ Lave been bis ufites; 1 could not U you . ' Q Now, can you not, by tasking your recollectlon, rive M. Bvarts—Tt hias nothing to do with this business, PRII 27, I8i5.—TRIPLE Mra, Woodhul's somo 1ittln time heforn the Inthnacy ccayed hofween Mr, Fllton aad 3ra, Woodhnll, Q. Well, the question was whether Mr, Androwa wny not aut fnmato of Mrs. Woodholl's honse fu tho early part of 1671, when gon flist vielted thered A, Yoo, £l Q. Now, do you say that ho Jeft bis recidence by that Diotise durlug thut year? A, T (hink that ho did, Q. During 18701 A, Tthink thit Lie did, Qo And whant time . Ay Teonld not tal; § don’l rememe hier, t Q. And for how longl A, feunuot teneguber; he left Itentirely, Q. What? A, Ite daft thereenthiely ;s mused nwoy from thrro, €. You are nof cortahy that lielet before the enrly part of 187! aniary, 1872, ure youl A, N 'y sl Teould notewear fhut he 1ot at nll; it 13 only iy hapresalon, Q. Well, theao visits of Mr. THIon (o the howge of Mes. Waondhitl, and famblfacities these, of whieh yon have Apakon, were during the yenr 15711 A, Yoo, i, Q. Aud up o what thao did you obuove them? A, Durtog at that year, T think, Q. During o1l the year 18711 A, T thint: an, Q- Well, il yan plense refloct, s (it son ean apenk withgomo certainte upon (hat suldet A, 1 think ao— i1t of co Tthiak that it cont. rse hegan [e Samiary—hesan bn tho Winters e up to (he th L heforn the Bleluway Wall meeting: Tkuow that jt ks ufterthat [ don't know anything whont i, Q. Affer that yondon't know 1 Inow anything shout It, Q. And the Bteinway ITall wacting yon nndorstand (o have heen In the Full of 18711 A, Yer, 1970 o025 T don't know—T dan't remember whon the $tolnway Tl it s pequaintance vay it mecting, st heforo the Ktelnwuy Tall mweiting, T under ftoodl A, Yem Bir, Well, (1 vt up to i timo of e Stelnway Iallmeeting, not before 1 bt il ended, 5o fae as Tknew anything about i, with that meeting, Q. Wis Mr. Bloud dw what yon edi-d (hy bedraons of Mra, Woodhnll when you sasw M. Tiftoy eret A Yow, Br. Q. My Palmor, you aay antlon or consaltution bt Woudhull, at the oflice of Mrs, Wo pravpectun of The Golden Ayet A, Ve e Q WHILy om 51vo mo the duts of et contr, nes, «e near it A TE was, Tk, i e monti of 1 1 Enow that it was, Q. The wonth of Folnmary, 19—.1 3 4 Juat efoio the Q. Well, wa whll soe abont (hat, B ehlingthent A, 1 was residlng nt my frieid; avene—i9 Parleave; Towas theie for a number of i 3: during il that peciot. Q. In what part of the ofllee wie the conf. A. Somiottues In the front offiec wad o baek offiea s it was spoken of u il Q. Mr. Blood present 1 A, Yoo, Q. Particlpato In the discisslont Q. And ony one elee headilea you Waooditlt und Kiss Clafln, amd 36 In the conversation at el 3 T don't understand that you dil: you were preaent and Beard 1 A, Leamot Leli o there was #o many coming ond golng i the ofidee, und this thing WiH Bpoken of openly Sclween M, Tilion und Srs. Wooll bull awd Mr, Blood, Q. Mudam, youaro not answerfug ny qaestions—nn- COnsClOusly, probably, T want yot o sqoakt of any pare tlealar ocenston, ng 1dil inderstand you tran the direet extmination, when there was w confer-ucs b twwoen Mrs, Woodhull nud Me, Tilton coneerning the prospectus of The tiokden Lye. A, Woll, T ean tell you o'y one defluite o thoro ware o ninuber of ey, T ean only il you one, awl that [ ean't glve you thn kinzioge of, Q. Ol o, A. Lean only give you the id- Q. Well, that s the one ot which yon sy Mrs, Wood- Tl and Miss Claflin, Mr. Blood, and yoursclift— A, I :t; 1 would not swear that Miss Clatln was present: T wounld not T that anybody was prosent bt M. Titon uud Mrd, Woodhull at the une wiich L kave In my mind now, which — Q. But you sald 2r. Blood war present st (hat 1 A, Ho Wi present ot o number of thom—at n muaher of these confercnees, Q. Why not at thisonet A, This I3 the enly ouo that Teun ewear to unything definite, Q. Why do you got him out of the way now t A, Ldon't with to got liim out of the way at nll, Q. Weshe there T A, IIe was not (here, Q. Which raom was it inf A. In the back room ; T have nodeslre to get rid of peopleat all, in any of theso con- ferene A At that T don't f A convor- and Mra, necening the anee Tield 1 Yos, fir. A1 A L did not el yout gny there wero a number of these con- fons 1 A, Yes, Rie; it 0 eonenon thing, Q. At which B, Biood was present frequently t A, Yo, Rir, Q. Well, how ara you able to ¢ the rest 8o a3 lo eay Mr, Dlowd was not there 8 A, I was probubly the tlest one; it might bave been aud {t might not huve bieen. Ldon't know how Tam nble to dalt; I oniy recollect tha Fitet, hut Teatinot 121t how I do M. Q. What1 A, T say I eaunot teil yon how Tdo It; T only know that T am spealing of o fuct without telling youhow ITdo It Q. Well, do yon ay now that ou hiave n present. recols lectlon that Mr, 0k Was 1ot present at the conversa- tiun Lo which you now ultudo In tho buck toumt A, Yos, Sir, for there woro a mmnber at which lo was not ent--nof only this oug, hut there wera a number ut, which he was not present;; It wis o frequent thing for— stingzalal this one trom Mr, Beacli—Vory well, you can tell o the charucter of that luw bmsinoss if you plensut Mr, Eivarta—No, that is golng Into i, Mr, Beacb—I want to kuow what the lnw businees wns abont. BIr, Evnrta—Woll, that Ia golng into it; we ohject, Judgo Nellson—1 think wo won't adinit It. Mr, Boneh—Conault Iilm na n lnwyer. The Witness—Are you waiting for mo to answer ! THE FREEDOM BDETWEEN THFE WOODHULLS AND MR, TILTON. Mr, Beach—No, madam, it is my own dull- ness. Iow oarly after your scqualutance with Mr, Til- ton and Intercourso with him at Mra, Woodhull's, did ho address ler as “ Viek,” or “Vieky, aud she Lhim pa “Theodore!” A. Within a woek; wHLin a very fow days; Idon't know but within two days; wishin u weck, cortatn, Q. Well, Inm trying to learn from you, madam) A, Withina week, oertulnly; b was fmwmediato; thelr ac- quaintaucs riponed vory ruplily. Q Riponcdrapltly 1 A, Yens, 8lr, Q. Then It riponad after your acquaintanes with themn § A. Inoverisd much acquaintauco with Mr. Tilton, Q. Wall, what nequalntance you did Lave—you had an Introduction to him, and I understsnd you that this fa- millarity riponed ofter your acquaintance with Mra, Woodhull and My, Tilton begant A, Yes, Slr; I'waa nc- qualuted with Mra, Woodhull—well nogualnted—before that, Q. And you observed the progress of its—— A, Yos, 8ir, Q. [Continuing]—oulmination and growth, and I nnder- etund you that it was the habit—it became in a very short imo tho babit of thewo two persona to uddross cach other in the way you hove spoken, aud for Mr. Tilten to fudulge in theso fawiliaritioat A, Yes, 8lr, Q. They were not concoaled at tlie office, were they 1 A, Thoy were ndt vory open. w Q What1 A. They were unolther concealed nor open 1t wus certainly not In the— . Q. Well, you had not become very Intimately ac- quainted, I think you suld, with Mr. Tlton, A, You wmust undoratand— Q. 1t was practiced npenly bofore you, wnen't 1t A. Yes, Bir; I'wna nttending toiny own business in tho tn- ner oflice, and was frequeully there when no ous elio was there, 5 Q. Certainly, no doudbt of it, and you seem to have been attending a little to others, Waa Col. Blood about the offieg? A. Yes, Sir, aluiost alway Q. Almost always ; well, theso famillarities must have ‘boen obaerved by im then 1 A. Bloat certalnly. Q. Certaluly they woret A, dost certainly, Q. To your knowledge practiced n hiy prescncel A, Boat certalnly, Q. Do you know Mr, Btephen Pearl Andrewa ! A, Yes, 8lr, 1 kmow Mr, Stephen Pearl Androws. Q. Waa ho very conslderably about the oflcel A, No, #lr, Q. What? A, Ko, Sir; not much, Q. Well, a1d you ever obscrve thia famillar jatimacy ot lutereourso to uppoar bufore Mr. Androwal A. Yes, Eir. . Then ho wust bave kuown it1 A. Yew, Sir, Q. Well, you knpw Mr. Audrowa to buve boen an inmate of Mra. Woodhull's houso! A. Yes, Bir; part of the tiwe, Q. During what time ! A. Durlug tbls period of time that I bave spoken of, Q. Covering the futimucy and nesoclation between Mr. ‘Titton and Mrs. Woodbull? A, No, 8ir; no, £ir, Q. Well, durlug what thue, thent A, During the cavly partof It Q. Well, what yenr—18711 A, 1571, Q. And from the eonmencement of your fnterconrse at Mra Wordhull's bouse, Mr. Audiows was these, w het A.No, Blr; I think Mr. Andrews loft there somo HEHE (e Ditime= ~ambesd Diorgan I Thi *yeclot theet Q. Well, bt this conversatlon wns of the samo eharae- ter andta the samo effect ni tho othors, yoit say 1 A, Yer, Sle; Lut this ono kappened to Az 1sel€ on my mind, Q. Aud somo of them wers fn the buck room, T aupe poset A, Yea, Hir, T precume thoy wero; I don't re- metaber, Q. Now, T ask what elrcmmnstanco or incident there is Whieh onables you to eay thiat at this particulze one of whleh you speak Mr, Nood wos not prosent? A, At thiy particular one of which I am speaking now—what fixes it In my own mind—I waa 01ling nn order forstocking-sus- penders, und wus putting them up Ja the boxes aind mark- g them, when Mra, Woudhull and e, ‘Tilton entue into tho rooni, Q. Now, walt onn moment. Wus that an unusual evont for you ta de, to il un ovdor Y A, No, Bir, Q. Well, {hat docs not zeem to bo a elrcumstanco which shonld ennlle yon to romemhor that Mr. Blood was not present? A, Yes, 8ir; becauso {6 wi an unususl thing for mo to renuin and continue my business whon Mr, Tliton cumio Into the efllco—tnto the hack oflice; there was alwaya aslgn thut Mrs. Woodhull gave me if she wiahed to be nlone—If anyons camo in; nnd I was In tho back uleo, and anyone camo In, T would stinply givo her o look to know, und how my hend to her, or soime sign I'would give hor, to ‘know whother sho wished mo to leuve her olons, Q. ‘Bhat happened very often, Tauppose? A, Well, that Tean't sny, whethier it was often or not; it is too long ago, and too many things Intervening ; T cun't tell you, Q. It dous pot seon to e sitels un eapeein clreumstance a8 should enable you to soy that AMr. Blood wasnot theral A, Idou't know tho question thut you are ueking me. . Q. Tany that It docs not scem to be a circumstanoe of #o much importanco na to enablo you, by it, to say that 3r. Blood was uot present In tho room ut the theet A, Well, Mr, Dlood wuen't presont, Q. Woll, thut Is u wutter of shinple recolectiont A, Yos, 8ir. Now, will you tell me what that conversation wa A, 'The conversutlon was concornlug—— —_—— TIHE TALK ABOUT MAKRING MR, TILTON'S PAPER RADICAL, Q. No; 1 want to know the conversalion— Low It appened and low it progreased A, Well, Iden't Kuow how you want e to auswer yoi Q. I want you to give mae the hmgnage usod by tho sponkers us NEAT 08 yOu calt, A, T told you it Wus inpos- aiblo; you yuust lot tue give It to you it 1y own way, or clso ¥ con't tell you at all, * Q. Bost cortaluly; but T do not want yon to tell me thoy were convorstug ubaut a certain thing; I want you to tell ma vhat was suld, us nour us you canlt A, 1t you will let me huve my way, I will try to give it to you, Q. Woll, I have alwnys foind that 1 had to let a lady -lave hor way, uud Twill let you. A. Thankyow. I was at work fllllug thls order fur stocking susponders, and Bir. Tilton und 3w, Woodhull oumo futo ths reom and dlidn’t seom to pay suy attention to me—my belng thero or not bolug thero; tho door was opeu; thoy seewed to b continulug u conversation which they hud begun— Q. Well, really, madum, won't you pormit ne to fuskst that you ghould not tell mowkat they scemed to be dolug or scemd to bo thinking; dow't know but you are mix- ing up your elaltvoyaut memory with your actual per aonal memory, and I want you to telt mo as near us yon can. 1do ot usk for (he vory words, Lut tho substunee, a% near as you can, of what wus safdl A, 12 you get my clalevoyant recollection you wil bo qulte us apt 10 get thie correet verslon ne you ure now, Q. Tum not throwlug any refiecetlon on your elulevoy- unt or splritual powers, mudam; I pereelve they meo very great, but wo caunol tiko them fn tl:o yelutlons in which wo atainl to cach other now, und yon will plesso Ive mo 3our revolleetion 1y u Witnass of the langnage that v useld Ly the partles upon thut oceastond A. 1 bt Rine Tan 11 st R Q. Couldn’t ¥on give o subatanca of the languago—the Aubstunea of ohat they aatll A, I will try; [will do 2 Well? K. The substanee of the tangunge was that Br Tilton wus whout starting w pnper, and that whon he Bud started this papar he shoutl o this paper in tho in- tereat af wnew Loy, which shonld thke In or embrace oll of the Yplritunlists, of which Mra, Woudhull was the Bendy nnd theey would natte the two papera nud use (hem both $o exprens the radieal slewn of what 1l rppoaed to e the grenter part of the commntnity ut argos und 1 don't knnw whether it wad ot thal thne or #otut uther iz they kpolio pfe— Q. Well, F want (o confinag it to that thar; ot ue get nll of thnt thne A, Woll, ab that tiae have given yon nil the iea ol substnnee of it—that they were ta unlte the L0 papare and fo s them an tho organe of n new paety, Which should take In tho Spirltimliste, or the Epliltnatl<ty wWere to b the; Jeaders in It § there wus no bopc In the ofber favticn of dubtng any 1ing, Q. Nohope for the country? A, T don't know whethior St v for the cuuntry, or for (ho Jeadira, Q. O, or the pollticlans A, The pollticima, Q. Now, wast't there sowothing sald ubout the nome No.str, 3 ' Were to found a now party? A, Nu, Sir; notling sid about the pariy, about founding o party, OF AhuIt s hane fr o prrty. Q. Well, then was something asld abont founding n Hew party 1 A. No. 6ie; not fornding s new party, hut that this shiould he the argan of & new party—I wna about to tell yon that they wers: contlnutng apprently—— Q. 1 o't want puything ahout that, A, 1 sm talling alont this: they were apporently continulng s conyorsn. tion which they badt begun bn the front oflier, which T gil not hear, Q. W h=Well, mudam, T don't wauy your judgment ~That I her obsurention. Mr. Beaw 0, 4ir, The Witness—I sm not endeavoring to thing; T want togive yon the a0 As Tur ea T know ft, Q. 0% Tdow't doult you cover up any. exact truth as | kuow how, a. Cau yol give maang. thiinee shich s wld sihlel ded yon t the Tzadon that tnning a conversation ¢2Zmenced ehstsvin » Ste; L conldnot; it ts ondy my tin- perssion, A Yourimpession? A, Not a clairoyant impreasion, cithor, Q. Woll, didlu't they indicate in sowme form the party desdgnation that was to he nasumed t A, No, Sir, Q. There waa to by party formed? A, Y 8ir, Q. A you understond | A, 1had wnderatood It before ; It haadd heen {aited of woele, Q. 1 am not asking you for any- LIBHE} ~Lu asklng for this; 15 this the con- Temation that yon related to Mr, Blwarman on your direet ex: an? A T don't remember; 1 Jraseto hoow what my dicort cxatnination wus; iy e niieh of §Lthat 1 cannot 1erasinber, Q. Thern was nob go meh of 583 he called Four attan- tien toa ¢ riatlon lu whilel this question of the satab. Heliment of The Golden Age wasspoienofe A, If T un- dertood 3. BYestnn's quostion, 1t wasi't of any ono parthesler e s Tauppasced it wan sevetaltiTerent timed ; T was it conselnns that e wus asking me for ooy ons vartientsr time, 2. You hav, slven ws what oceurres? at that cone verantlong do yon reen anything you bad heard from thein upon the subject hofore that conversationt A, T don't temenl hethec It was before or aftor thia par. tenlar tme s T eanant tall, Q. Do yor recofleet nnything elac that waa sald, cithor Defors ar atterwend, upon tiat suljee.? A, Y unve fulkea 3o lonz that T have forgotto what the suljeet wog YUR Weere apealting of. Q. Tt wasthe sublect of the eatablishment of The Golden Age nnd the tormatlon of o party that waa to Fupplant afl tho other pariles of the conutry b A, It wua Lavdly the forming of w news arty s 5t wis really Gekang up or gathe erlng np all the heat clements of hoth parties, Q.A consoltiation of all the acattered clemonts of par- ties. A. Yes, and especlally of tho Bphritualista. Q. Uniler the lead of tho Spirituali-ta? A, Yes, Sir. Q. WIth Mra. Woosthull a3 the leadert A, Mry, Wood- hult und Mr. Tilton the lendera, Q. They wero to uulto nsleaders? A, Yon, they wore to ho unlted, Q.. Aud they were to combino their paporst A, Yes, 8lr, Q. Wern they to amalummate them? A, T thinlk not; T Mink one wis (0 admivo the other, sud the othor to admirn the ane, Q. Asort of mutual ndmiration aoclety 1 A, T think ao —they wero mutunliy to sustain cach other, Q. How loug lud The Womdhull & Claglin Weekly boen establlabed theut A, 1 don't know anythiug ubout that. Q. Had you read it before? Ad Yes, 6lr, Q. Low loug had yon been in the habit of reading it1 ST lud not been (i the bubit of reading it very muoh; I was not a habit, Q. Ouly nn veeasional fuspection of ItY A, Yes, Air, « Tilton wanted you to become an ngent of this terprizol A, Yew, Sir. Q. What business wero you engaged in thent A, My stocking-aupondors, r Q. You decllued that employmentt A, Yes, Sir, Fdit; T lind enough business of my own to attendt to. 1was In need uf ugent myself. Q. Bofore tho establishment of this Go’den Age I under- stoul you that ther 013 conversatlon ahout thy Droot, of you eay Proaf of 17 Wendbnll nrtlclo na it was published I A, Before thy « bl hinent of The Gul- den dAge? No, Sir, Q. Whenwvng b A, It was befars (he publishment of the card; nat o proof of itatall; it wna not the proofs Atrr, Woodlmll 1 to we the card which eppeared {n The New Yorks World, Q. That was the Max card? A, Yes, Sir, Q. Muy of vhut yeur waa It1 A, May of 1871, [anp- whenever the eard came ot I cantot toll the year; whenever the yeat wis—1871, withont any doubt, Q. Tunderstood you to say that sho showed you the proof of the s At A, Yes, Blr; but thnt waas lnter. Q When was that! A, That was ubout two montha béfore T went [nto my house in Twenty-seventhests 1 went fn thoro on the 1st of May; no, It was the 15th of April; Tdlin't go into my Louse fn May; [ went in on ho 25th of April, and It was some weeks beforo thils that Mre. Woudbull not only showed it to me, but 1 saw It twa or threo different tiues, Q.Tho proof of tha seandal aa It was afterward nob- Mslied ! A, Tt might not bo oxuctly ns it wns published, Q. But tho subalance of the thing? A, Tho subatanco of tho Woadhull-Beoohar-Tilton seandal. Q. You nican n printed oflea proott A. I'menn print- ing like newspoper proofs—like a newapupor Yriuted on— Q. That must have been whent A It was In 1872, Q. The enrly part of March, 18721 A. Isupposa It waa ahout two montha before I went to my bouso; I think two mouths, or perhupa alx weuke, Q. February or March, 18721 A, Yew, Bir; T think so. Q. Andthe substanco of tho articls which afterward @ppeared In Tho WoodAull & Claftin Weekly was what you read In theso prooful A, Yes, Bir, Q. They wero shuwn to you us the proof from the Wood- Lull & Clufiin oftico? A. I'don’t kmow where they wore from; she didu’t tell mo whete thoy wero from. Q. Where werothey first showny A, Tho firat 1 over suw of them was fu tho huck oflico, as X gnve it this norn ing lu my direot examinution, Q. Theas proofa were publle in the offcet A, Not nt all; they were kept very secret, Q. Wlo was presnt when thoy were shown to youst A, No ono but Mr, Tilfon tho first time that I ever suw them; thuy were never shown publicly—not to e, . Mr. Dlood is o Aadifud of thia office’ A, Yes, Bir. Q. Didhisscothew? A. T den't kuow whether he did ornut; ho dldn’t aes thom Intny prosence; not at thut time; b did afterwand, atter they movoed foto the Twenty-thirdat. Louso; ho waa takon sick, and Mrs. ‘Wuadliull sent for in6 (o 00rao ovor, and aguln thera she slowed them to me. Q Whon was that! A, Abont Leen fn hior bouse a good doal, Q May or Juno, 16721 A. Yes, Slr. Q. That s not the o6 shown to Mr, Tiltont A, 1bnd scen thom with her ub that tlme—~tho proof of dhe * Tit for Tail” article, Q. Well, dldun’t Mr. Andrews alsosco thom at that timet A, Idon’t know, Fiv, Q. The “Tit for 'tutt I don't kuow anytbiug about that, The Witness—At the sawe time—~— = My, Evarta—At the sumo Hiuwe sbe was shown the “ Iy for Tnt” article, v, Beach~Well, T move to striko that out. Judge Nullsou—~Yea, Blr, Q. DId you cver learn who was the author of that article! A. No, Bir; Inever asked, Mr, Evarts—which oue Mr, Beach—Tlio 0o we are talking of—the Woodhull scundul "T‘h‘u '{\'um‘cu—l never kuew who was the suthor of uny of thesu urticles thut wero wristen, B —_—— THE EXHIBITION MADE OF TIE PROOF- BUEETS. Q. You may restate, 1f you please, the scene whieh you obierved betwoeon Me. Titan—what passed between Me. Tiliun and Mrg. Woodhull, What dld you May or June, after ¥ bud SIS, . During the intorvins yon gave toMr. Alicorman? A, Mr. Tilton aud Mea, Waooidhuil eama In frons tho bnek foom and #at down on theaofa. lrs Woodlull says : “nmlelat— Q Fald what! A, e culteid 100 Danlels, Instend of wdving me iy fall noine: o Haniatg, theie Is sumetiiing I want luahow gou' Tean't remeintier It [ made any ros Py, Bhor T turned to hor undgald : v \fea, Woodhulty If yon 3 wndiah that seandal, or i acandal conceralng sny ather indivianal o1, In rhort, Stsont have nnything ta do with the private Hves of ang Indlviduals whatever, Twill have nothing mige to dn with you, and £ witl not work with yon awatn, yon | 1o vleht 1o Loueh the pidvade ifo of nny ones yon o Work a3 n rofarmer, anyhody,” T do Q Was that the whole of that Interview | (hink not, bt 11 48 ull that £ enn rememdor, . T« the same one that you gave fo Mr, S A. Yeas nral now 1o not pretend, and T ald not g then, to glve the exact Tangunge: thees mheht e o progo- Fitlor, or w conjunetion, or some word pnt . or felt owt. Q. But yon Tnve given on tils crossesamination alf thut you now veeall 1 A, Yea, 8, Q. thuaaht you gatd som an iusta to Mo, Tilton 1 A, altogether, Q. Whitt T A, That was avother affalr altogethar. Q. No, it wan In this conversation 1 A, 1 think you sifl i, If yont look bisele, that you are mistaken, Q. Then It weas not {n this convereation? A, t(hink not 3 It should not have been i1 it was, Q. Tthtnle gon put it i this consersation t A, Tt 3koulil 0ot bave been there, Q. Where ought it to e 1 A, Tt ateht 1 havo heen an- otlier ulair and wnnther thino s and 1 du ot recall Uy thing but tho olrcatustanees; 1 do not kuow how It came whout, ony thut Mrs, Woodlhull was tallilng very engeily to sume one who cune Into the offico, Q. Thern were no proofa preseat thent A, No, Sics nothing to do with proofs ot this fimes 3tre. Woodhull wad speaking of the sear it hiad heen brufted abont concernins Mra, Titton an 3x, Beocher. Tiltan cama Int A, Mr. Tlton =T dan't rhe came In, or whether he waa there ;. hut Mr. Tiitou'a taco flushed eloar to hla halv, and ho saye: * Vieky, that f«not fruno; my wife Is us puce ni snov and no awelt relation ever exluted batween Sr. Ieccher aml my wifo.” Q. T undorstood you to givo that In the other fnterview on yuir direel eumbation 1 A, Did Mr, Sicarmon un- derstund e jn that way 1 Mr. Bhiearmnn—T¢ b all right; Tthing pog t you do. now. Mr. Brash—Never miad, The Witn-as—1f [ salil 0, 1t wns wrong, Q. When waa this It conversatlon you have spoken of 1 A. Tt was Jongbefore these proots were sver bronght out; this wam i 1871, Q. How long hefore ! A, Tt was Inthe first acquaintones of Mrn, Wondtull and My, Tt t i betore the card oI ot ut ull, Q Wers tho proofs shown after the A. The preofs did net cotc oat untit 327 carin ont I 1871, Q. And thiy conversatlon Fou nww epeaic of——l A Was 1 fore the eard came ont Q. Ttmust have heen In Jamuary or Felgmary, 19711 A. chor April or May—T cunnet tell; along there wHere; 16 wua biefore the eard cutn our, Q. How fung waa it that yon saw tha proofs thers he. fore you weat into your howset A, Ithink two nontha or <% weeka; [t possibly might huve bheoi only o tnonth, BUL I e probubly 4wo months, Q. When il you understand this scandal was pub- Tialied 1 Ao In the Fult of 15723 1t was 0 coramon thing; 11 was Tnowat by n great many botors it was published ut Al s Lt b, I8 was elrenluted privately, Mr.1 —1 movo to strilie ont ull the answer from the rils, 16 was & commion thing." Judgo Nellaon—Yes, Q. Andut the time that 3rs. Woodhull nddreased yon i ikdn way, sayiug, “ Danlels, ¥ havo sometblng T want to show you,” or to that efiset, dir. Tilton was the only porson present besidea yours2123 A, Ho waas she camn In and shut the daor. Q: Andshe showed youtho proofsi A, No,ehe rend it: eho nhowod it tamnc after Mr. Tilton hud gons out; sho put it fu dny hands afterMr. Tton hind gone out. Q. Amd nothing waswald oxorpt what you sald t her inregard to tho proprlety of publabing tho private lfe of individuulst A, Yes, thern wns moro rakd. Q. Nothing that you recollect! A. Nothing that T reeallect. Q. An whon alin aald that she he? somethiog to show Font, how much did she read of the prooft A, Teaw't tell you. beennso §saw it threo or four different timess {read it myself, and L eaw't tell which timo 18 was that sy the whola of is, Q. Huve yon any Idea of how much she read now! A. T think she re.d tho whole of it, Q. You think she read tho whole ofc #t, do yont A, I think she read the wholo that sluply coucerned Mr, Beeolier undd Mra, THton, A. The whole of the paport A Not the paper; It was slips or procts, Q. 8o farusit retated to Mr. Beecher and Mrs, Tilton § A 1 think dog 1R, T would not swear she rend the whole of It thew, hecanse U saw it several thnes, and T eaunot awear which thoe It was that T eaw tho wholo of it Q. Wns there any doenments fucorporatod in the proo? shereadt A. I think not. Q: No Jetiert A, No, 8ir, there wae do letter; o brought & In ber hand, Q. IMave you now any diatinet recollection of any part ahe read, 50 thut you ean repeat it, or the anbstancol A, Ao, £y Twonld not undertako to repeat the substunce, beeause it was abaclutely the same thing 6o published. Q. Wait ono mument! 1 underatand you to aay that you wonld 1ot wsdurtuke to repoat tho aubatuncs of {t now— any purtof 1t1 A, T would not, for ulthough I kavo read the wholo of 1§ afterward, I would not undertako to re- peat it now. Mr. Lienuh {to Mr. Morrial—I don’t think T want to nak any more. Is thero nnything elsot Mr. Mortis—No, T think not. Mr, Beac—That {s all, madam, e RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION OF MRS, PALMER, Mr. Shearman—~Was Mrs, Woodbull what is commonly known as o Bpirtuntist 1 Mr. Benoh—I object to that Mr, Shearman—This Indy bus been asked o gooil denl about her own bellef fo this examination. I slwply pro- Dose to show tlus whole clrcle was one. Judgo Nollson—That was under tho Ucense of cross-ox- smination. No. : Q. T sk whother you bolleve In fhie Gud of the Clrlse thunal 2. Most certuinly I do, Q. Do you belleve iu tho Lord Jesus Ghrist) A, Most certaluly I du. Mr, Shearman—That fa all, Judgy Nellsou—1lot 13 ull, Mrs, Pulmer, ——— RE-CROSS-EXAMINATION OF MRS, PALMER. Mr. Bencli—Do you Uelieve in Cluiast us God § A, No, Hir, Q. You do not belleve in the divinity of Chriat? A. Moz certatnly Idu; 1 betleve that your son Is nut you, but he s your son; and I heliove thas the Lord and Mas- ter Jesus Chrlst £3 tho Quly Begotton Son of the Eves- Liziug God. Q. You bulleve In the Godhead? A, Ye¢s, Bir. Q. Inthe Trinityt A. Yea, Bir. Q. Why not botlove in Clirist's Qivinity? A. 1 do be- Hovo In bis Aivinity, most certainly, Q. 1t yuu bollove in his Godliead, three persons Jolned 1n ane—tho Trinity—how do you separate the ldeutity of tho Fatlier and tho Son? A, Just the suwo as I wonld sopnrute your &ou from you; uud yot you belong 10 vue family. Q. Thon you don't belleve fhey are ldentical? A. I don't belluve they aro one porson ; I beliove that God is Futher, and tho Ioly Glost 18 Mother, und thal Jusus Cliist s tho Bon. They are one fawily, Q. You belleve that God tho Father i the parent and tho Holy Ghost Is the wouther 1 A. Yes, Slr, Q. Aud Curlst ls thoBon 1 A. Yos, Bir; Ils 1s tho God of this plunot, not tho God of the wholo universe ; but 1 bellove that Jeaus Clurist s the Utersl Gud of thix plunct on which wolive, Q. That is, Ilis soverelgnty Is conflned 1o this carth { A. Yos, Bir; Tlo s the lleral King sud Lord, the dlaster and Ruter and God of this plavet; e cieated M, sad rules over it und relgus over it Q. Thut you suppose must be by deputation from God the Futhor ! A. No, Bir; I bellavo thls is Lils falicritaneey; Lbelleve this is J1s birthright, Q. Whomn does Iio tnbicrit it from 1 A. From ITls Fatber, God ; uot by doputation, but because it 1 Els lulieiitango, glven unte Him becsuse Ho is of nge. Q. ‘Then you do not supposs that the Eon hias the same extent of soverelgnty and power o8 tho Father! A, Most cetlaiuly not; ouly ou thli plunet; cnly on this planct hs soverelguly ol the Son L sujarior to that of the Father, Q. On this planat ITis soverelyury Is superivs to that of tho Putber ! A. Yes, Sir, Q. Aud that 1 hus nosseve boundarics of this carth, Q. Soverolgn power? A. Yes, soverelgn power; but got 1o 145, 0 Mr. Rl artnnn abant hat was nnather i A i oas njpeared T nnd the card power beyond e 9 —— Q. Boverelgn, and yet Sulject to God the Fathort A Yo, beeaiso Ihelievo (liorg 270 @ great uany planots, aid 1F0 may have vue, or twn, or 00TC planta Lesldoa thie one, over vehicls He tulea wia, Q. Tdon't undecatand you o elieve, thow, that tha fom 1A the sune hreadth ani oxteal of sovorolynly as the Futlier? A, S, Sir, Q. Only over thozs pastientar planota whioh o hafdne herited from the Luther, waleh wro suljoct to THis oo m{n l’ A Tiat Iy what £ mean, Sir, % Do gon ot hebleve the Soriptusal wae i Dlrth of the Savionr? A, Y, alr.l enR Q. Now, thea, do you wmks the Holy Ghost the mother T A, Tn tils ways Tdow't heileve thnt Godl evor ahregated wny of HisLiwas and I beli Bl to send de s Christ, s ouly hégy S planiet, i e forim of m man of Gl b onr—J belisve tial 1 ovorshndowed tha floly Ghoat overnhmd. t Juseph and Mary wors viriier, whorn neithier of 18 1t (hnn a dond hoily, * amd then, dna perfeetly nntural mnnner, an b 1ot KMars, by the overalindorw. Apivits, il Uit o wivs o Divino, boly i the Godhead, . Hir, st eerlainty. i, M, Beach. st Hinor. Dunier, Mo intea decp, de i w., tty veiites matd 1 | oy TUATISONY 03 B PRACY. i Ty 4 then called and e, Todz o v 0wt e e memier of the B AT was admitled in this Btaty in Q. Amt how Joug have you pracuve. thtw ey A, Fu thls ity aboot iz and over, O And I Nuw-rork € X City at et A fn year. ing etel A Priorto that Bt petiod weie You e United Sl biss AL Urom Oclobser, 16, Uho partios of Gis it ] A, 1 do. Q. From what thnz: it i what desect buve you had neanaintance with Mr, Tilton? A, 1 have known Me. Fitan by repiiation fur ju; years; I hoew him pers I, When e wise cilitos of The Union, In sineo thit dine 1 have known Lim shghily s £ ceancad to Lomw Wi uitich, T think, after he crased (o he mtil after the publication of the Woorbuld seamin), In 1% then Eaet i agat, Qo Al with M, Beacher, from what (e anid In whng deeree tive you had qunintutieo £ A, U hinve ute tonded Mr. Teeeher's churel vinee 18675 .1 have knowsr Mr. Beeehier slightly from sone {ime in 1868 oy 1860, until ftor tho publication of the Woodhuil seawdul ; sluce that 1 bava knewn hint utors Intin :fove. Q. And what pequaintance, and though swhib perlod, bave you had with Me. Moulton? A, I was $utrodused to Mr. Moulton fn, I'should eny, the month of November, 1872 sinee which twmd Thuve known Mr. Moulton quite intimatsty. Q. And with the other mamhers of the firm of Woodrutf & Robinson, what ncquaintunco hove you had, and durlnge what pertod? A, [ mode the acquaintance of kol Pu Robinson when | owis In the Legisiaturo in 164 Lrenowed my nequaintunes with bim on comtng to Brooklyn fn 1465, I reslded In Brooklyn when K eime ty practice uw in New York, und I have known it by ocenalonally meoting him, from that time to the present thae, T bhoeame acquninted with Frankiin Woodrull in the Fuil of 1578 1 shotld think It wia=-¥ think It wasiu the Fali of 1871 that T know him irst, and knew b very well from the year 18715 from that time on to the present tine § beve kuown bim very well Q. Was tuls acquaintance with Mr, Frunklin Woodrnf® & Lialuess nequaintanee or o personsl acquointancet A. Tt wae o personad sequainiates i the beghnning, Q. Now, 8ir, In the mouth of November or December, 1572, did you eome Into any wesaciation or conferonoes® Wil elther Mr, Franklin Woodrufl, or with Ar, Moulion, or Mr. Tiltont A. T did with all of them, Q. 1Tow woon after the publicatton of tho Woodhalk Beanda) did tle fact of the publication como to your owledgol A, Well, Bir, it that wus published—if the - CHth doy of Octoher wad the day tht that wis circulnted, in (he oveniug—that paper—1 probobly learned of it on the 20th of Octobur; but it was either on the 20th or the - 30th of Ortober, Q. Now, when firat did you have any convorsation with - 3r. Franklin Woodruff, or Mr. Moniton, or Mr. Tilton, on the subject, and with which firatd A, I irst convorsod with Mr, WoodrnfT on the subjoot. Q. And huw did that ardsol A, A casunl eonversation fu tho stret, when the subject of the Woudhull publica- tlon was alluded to—T cannot sny deflnitely how.soom after the publication, but It was somo days ufter, Q. And you met in (he stroot, or wero you standing in the street when ho cawe wlong? A, T don't romombor definitely; it wan In front of my oftice in Montagne-st.3 but whother I waa comiug along and met him, or I was Atandlag thero and he camo nlong and mot wo, I don's remeniher—1 don't remewmber that, Q. Who Intruduced the converaation? A, Woll, as » mattor of memory, T cauuot aay positivoly, My fmpres- cion s that [did. Q. And how! A. Dy referring to the fact that M Monlton—that I hndn't observed any denlsl on tho part of Mr, Monlton of the Woodhull Beandal, . Q. Woll, whint uesed hetwoon yon aud Mr, Woodruff as that thnat A, Well, thoro was u gencral convorsition on that aubject, and— % Q. What was the snbatancs of it—not In detallt Mr. Beach—I don't understaud that this conversatios - haa heen mentloved. Tho Witngss—Thut conversation has not been alluded to. Ar. Evarts—Thls 1a moroly introductory., Mr, Beach—Walt ano monient. Judgo Nollsun—1e might mentton tho suhject of the- convoraation. 4 The Witnoss—It wns the subject of Br. Moulton's rola tion to that scandal. Ay, Bvarta—Aund uny proper or probablo A. Yo, Bir. Mr. leach—Waltt . Thoe Witness—Yea, Well, T undorstand It s oljuoted te. Mr. Evarts {to Mr. Doach]—Do you otject ¥ Mr. Beaeh—No. Tako ft. Mr, Evarts—Well, thut conversation producod no ape poiutment, il it1 A, No, Bir, Q. Now, wheu after tha A Well, It wos conalde ernble timoatier that. 1 can't aay definltely, BMr, Woode Tull e to wa vne day uud asked mo— Q. At your ufilce, wos this? A, I ocannot any thas elthier, whethor it was ut my offies or in the stroot. § know Bo paked o it T woitld cbusent ta be consulted— ——— “TROUBLE ABQUT WHO SWALL CROSS-EX- AMINE MR, TRACY, Mr, Beach [to Mz, Tilton]—Now, you sco ho. 18 ou the stund, und I cannot be hiero to-moirow, [T Mr, Erarta.] Cuu't yon eall somo other witnessi A whirpered conference here took pluce between the counsel.} Mr, ¥oach—The difientty, your Monor, that T have sugs gratod to ny leurned friendy is this, and 1t hus just thio. moment occurred to me—T o ohliged to be at court over the river, in New-York, to-morrow, nnd must bo abséng from this trial. Upon the conlingency of Mr, Traoy bo- coming o witness, his cross-oxnmtuution, for personal roas sone, lind been axsigned to me, and T eannot possibly bo here in tho morniug to conduct it, and I suggeatod to nye learned fricnds whether they conld uot supply other wite neascs, Tf 1t was ordlnury busiucss, BIr, I deslre to stato I certatuly should not be absent from this trial. . Judge Nellson—I havo no doubt yourlearned opponcata will accommodate you if they can, Mr. Deach—Mr, Kernan {8 to be down from Utlea for the purpose ofurguing o motlan of sume Impurtance with mo, and be hza telograpbed, und I cannot weglect the armmgenicnt, 2Mr. Evarta |after conferring with Mr, Blcaruuaul—We cannot, if your Houor pleuso, arruuge otherwise than to g0 an with Mr, Trucy; but we shall leave it quite at our frionde’® dlsposa), when wo comu to the ndfournment, whothen they will adjowrn untll Wednesdsy moralng, Mr. Boack—Oh, no, Bir, I not golug to sk auuther ndjournment over the day, Somo other gettleman wusky tuke the cross-examination. Mr. Bvarts—Very woll, wo are quitc wiling to accsns modato io Any woy we can. Mr, Beach—Well, I would not ask an adjournmcat, Mr. Evarta—They way take an adjomnwout, 8tr, Ywa w1l very frecly mdjourn, It does uot wake any (#,conce 0 un ; zrumn’uluyny uso tho day. Ab uuy tutey <o wil o unything that wo ean, it your Ilogor pledse—, Tl Nelteoit ~That § At sure of. arta=—5till, Wo cunnut vory well & pge to call M Morelel=1 conuop Fuferton should not take » 3 e Evawy, 3" Evarts—1 wunt totelleva g ts y L usk Ot Fiouor the favor thot we miay Jose theso ton minutes r il HE fURor, that we Loy of aajonsninent, abd 02 guen now, s that Mr, Fale Liton, who will ko the Gogeessiniiatfon of the wiv L, iy be v V.o divect eximiuitlon, denful of ity 800 uDy reason CTUss-0XULIDI. T abiuk wo bed