Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, April 27, 1875, Page 12

4 my silenee, to nequiceen tn any reflection hafni east upon he witner: Juden NeBaon—T am not peflecting wpon hin Aon't know that any comparison i bren mada, exeept that made hy Mr. 8hcarmun, {n relutton to Me, ‘Titton, Mr, Evnsts—Dut gome e whnezst munmer of tostlfy e, Judgo Meltron—The only comment that [ made wos thot the witness, neatnat the ohjeetio uf connaol, bronght n cortnin statentent= of thnl pavties whioh cannot go st evldenve; nudoubiedly this wis not intontlonal en his vort. Mr, Brarte~T undoratand from your Honor that these Imperfeect 12 -patkanen not in evidence, AL Tean do b« to offor o prav by the wiiness whint has paased hetween Franklin Weodru@ and himeell on this sabjeat. WJuedgegNe tun—And that L rnto ont., Sorti=Wo offer 18 03 honrdng hoeeattee ipon any o of what was stld at this contersations And we exeept. Mr. each—-At the converantion of v hieh vou hnse just spoken Wit Mr. Frankiin Woodrall, wau Mr. Moplton Jwvaent? A, 7don't rocolloot that e vad, . —— A NEW LETTER PUT IN EVIDENCE, At this time n man in the hack pavt of the conrt room tiecamo 111, and waa reiwaved by tho officers 1n s fatnting condition. This guiaed somo confuston, nnd Judge Neilson asteed 1€ thera wan any uhyslean present. A physleian rosponded, and Judge Notlson teqaestod him toatepont - the corthlor and age wiiat was the wnatter with the mau, Mr. Evarts—It your Monor please, T naw offer lo ovi- denao a letter from Mr, ‘Tilton, [Tho letter was examtned by Mr. Reach and Mr. Morrls, and handed hactki to Mr. Bvarts, who veard it in evidonee, without ohjrtion, na tollows.]); il A0LHEN AGR, NEw-Yoric, Sept, 13, 1871, A1 Mot DAVISE 1yt yont and your wifa o oad naerative of the fife amd spititial experi- X und L e exuct me § o tefitsa’ to belleve vt tathor than over- 1 wern_ariginaily eommunleated to ‘el Mrs, Davis (w wrils more for e, nud o Pio nnie Your 5 ternally yours, TRrow s Tiaes, PIMONY OF EDWARD J. WRIGHT, 10, Wright was ealled arl sworn on i of 1 A I Groen- tinan—Whors do yon restde t wiet, Come, at I your buatnesal A oo fun Kew-York, Q. Of wlat ivm? A, AT, Blewart &, tong bave yoit been so engag A A, Thirtecn That of eashinr fu a ol hofeup-tawn o down-town house ! A On e en aliway il Cluaabrs st downs town—yhole Q. Aseyorr ta Iy shght with 3. Cheodose THe tonl A Ta [T v yom so known Mt A, Toannot way postils g uld sny upssavd of eIght Fenrs, Q. Mg zlod of the publication of witat Iy comun Filw, Q Do yoiie * Clufin W Q. Al T ihink en Hed the Woudliedl scandult A, A, Tdo. werl A, i u day or tine did you 1 of November, 1% o of fis g not hofore, Q. The 1 of November was on Suelag. A, Then it waa o the Saturday, Q. Well, did you, ently fn Nuvemher, tuke a vacation sl traved 1A Dmaden short teips T woa uway from hsizes - fwen days, I thinte, Q. Whlel days weve those 1 A On the &th ued Sthoof Novemher—Mondny and Tcadny. iy that paper, The Wondhu!l & Claflin Weekly, with youl d Q. Onwhat duy @t yon start to voturn to New-York ¢ A O + tho dth of November, Q1 L 1572 Q. Where ald you take the traly, and w! At Coneord, N, 1T, rotnrning by woy of Woreestor and New:Tav Q. Noww (il you see Mr. Theadore Tiron onter the ut what polut 1 1 saw him entor the it 13 not distinet us to the partlentas within u short distanco of Concord —hefore rashing Worcester—gmne thmg bef Q. 1s It your veeollectlon that it wa o renchilng tho howntlavy 1o of Massachusetts Ao Tt waa not long after we stazted from Costcord—within, I should sny, un honr, Q. Wall, dld yon observe 3ir Titton n conversation with any posson? As Tkl Q. Dil you hear anything sald to Mr. Tiltlon nnd by hiur on the & L of tho Woodlndl seamndal 2 A, T il Q. Wil y ot all you heand on that anbject thnt pusied bitweon blm awl $he gentleman wih whom he tulkod? A, The govtican with whom he was convers- ngg entered the tradn and took a sent with M. Titton, and ansleed hiim v 1th reforeneo to (he publications he stated that e bad seen it Q. How did the gonilemon e subllentiont of Itas the Weadlill & Clatiin pnbilicn- al; the exnel verbinge I cannot atatd; bo thea sahld that hie hwl seen it in the Eastern o T think in tho Boston papers, That 15, Fon mean Me, Thton so stated 8 A, Mr, TIl- ton s atated s weonversation then ensued I which ho was nekod wled o thought of 1t; or Tihini, Arst, what it amountend Lo salil ho know about ft; and when n ot was asked, which wis something to tho Lo thought of it, he salid that e cared oolbing fev it for hlmsell s that Mrs, Tilton wua In detl cato health and of a nervous tempernment, and he feared fur 116 Tesult ipois her—for it eiloet upon Ter, Q. Wan thnt olf the conversution you remember? A, Tt wan the substanco o it I don't nHeet just ut the wonsent any g more, ———— CROS: AMINATION OF MR, WRIGHT, 3. Beach—When did you leave New-York on it deb 1 A Tleft Now-York on Batuwslay evening, golng to my 1caldenco In Greenwleh on Sumlng o Q. That Wit on_the 20 of Novemher you left New- York1 A, Tha 2d of Novewher, Q. Yon . ft your resideneo in Gresusiivh on te 541 A, Ve, Bir; the thl, Q. And wintiv Q. Andon tie 1t Cuucord to Greenwich, Monday the 4th 1 A, That was ou Mons L NI orlk T A From Q. duy the {th, Q. What tinin was it—what partof the day 1 A. It was a tealn loaving Con=otl some ths after i o'clock, Had yout any peson Ju company with you—any feludt A, No, By, Q. What ent dil 3. Tilton oceupy, when he entered tho traln, witi reforence to yonl A, My reeollectlon s it o orenpled s nent on e right-huad ride of the ear, s then ehanged to tha Ifthand sl fe; this conversution ocvareed pfiing at the Jeft-hand alde of the ear, Q. Andwhero In teference to youl A. Lwas sitting af that tha~, ¥ think, two senta n fruut ot hiy Q. Twoncitahi fomt of biml A, Two eeats b front of Il bo hued the firat seut n frout of him tuvied, sl § waa st b the sent In front of that, T think, Q. Witl you deseribe, s near a9 you ean, the friend who entered aud tovk a seat bestde bim ! A, Ieannot give an accuruto deseriptions ho wae & gentleninn, T shonld judge, something abont 40 yeara of nge—from 45 to 4%; u gontlenianly appearhng man, and a man of medlny highty notitlig pactlenlar that striek nie as to hls peraon, Q. Wastie grex atallt A, That T eannot recolloot, Q. Do you lisppru to vecolleot whether ho wure i beard o any part of fils faee 1 A, Not distluetly, Q. And you (idis't happon to hear hls nume meutioned 1 A. No,8lr; Ididnot. Q. Well, what was tho opening of tho canveraation ho- twocn tho twol A, First o general gveeting: then some romark from thia fricud of Mr. Tilton to dr, Tliton, ho openling tho subject. Q. Do yot recolleet what the remnrk was? A, Teannot remombor distinotly ua to the verblage, but it was i gub- stanoe whether he had seen this publication, Q. Waa that as near as yon can get to the lungutngo of tho remnrk 1 Tusk you, frankly telllng you my purpoco, tunt T underatand that tho conversation referred to o sposoh whlok was made by Mrs, Woodhnll in Boatan at that time, or Just Lufore that timo, nttucking Mrs, Tiiton and Mr, Beoclier; and now [ want yo:l, a8 you ako a gen. tleman ot iutclligencs and relfabiity—I appeal to you tn ba asacourato us can possibly ba tn the rocolleetion of tho languogo useid, I think that thors i evidentiy o mis. take, A, Thero was—us I uuderstood I, it was dis. tinct— Q. Walt ono moment, until you huve the polnt of the quuation to which [ ask your attention. Iwunt you now o toll me, fn the lungunge, 88 near ds you can, tho opens tug rewutk of either Mr. Yiiton or his friend, reforsing 1o tho publication uboit which the future conversation ao- curred. A. Lesn ouly glve wy hupresston of it—=not the wordlog ; it was asking him with referenca to that partice ular paper. . 12 Bo yun understood? A, 8o f understood, Q But tho neanuer in which reference was mado to the Puper you caunol now atated A, Nob tho wording. @ Cou sou by sulivlently ucowraly o reuteinber, Mr, ’ NEW-YORK DAILY TRIBUNE, TUESDAY, APRIL 27, 1875.~TRIPLE S0l A el L STl oy PO O GO L Wright, whaother tho term “Woolhull & Cladin® was used? A, Eknow that it woa, Q. Was ft “Woodhull & Claflin® or “ Woodhull1” A, That paper was reforred to—tho Woodhull & Clafiin paper: that T o disthiot abeut. Q. Wei, Tunidcrstand that yonr recolicotion fan't anf- ficienily acenrata to onable you to pive the langtingn of the conversation? A T could, sume of tho langungo of the canveraation—not all, W Well, enn yougive the Iangungo of the opening ra. markl 1 nnderatand you togay that youcannott A, Not more than that 1t was asking whethor he hul acon that puyper. Q. That was tho impresston yon derlved from tho re. mark; Ut yon aro not able to givoe tho terms of the re- marlel A, My rocollootion i distinct (unt o nalod him whether hio iad soen that paperg yot tho terun T ennnot 703 nud hia roply was that ho Lad scon it In the Esstern pers—I think the Boston, Mr. Beuoh—Esxaclly, oxactly! The Eastern papers. That fa all, Mr. Wright, RE-DIRECT EXAMINATION OF MR, WRIGIT, Mr. Shearman—Ind you over heard of nny Ieeture, Me. Wright, on tho suhject? A, T find not, Q. Wag nnyihing said tn this convorsntion about n Ire- tarel A, There was not, exeopt thot Mr, Tilton hnd de- ol o teeture the ovenlng provions, or rather a cam palen specch; that was the ouly lecturo, Q. Nothing nbunt uny lecturo or apeoch of Mra, Wood- hultt A, No. Q. Uavo yout sxamined nny memorandum in the books ot A T. Stewart & Co, to sutlafy yourself of tho preoise datol A, Ihave,and I havo nlso othor clrenmstances connected with i 10 show mo dofinitely the timo. Q. Havo you reon an ontry in the Looks of tho flrm showlnug when yot woro sbaontt A, Yes, 8ir. Mr. Beach—That is not nocessary; thero 13 uo question na to the time. —_—— RE-CROSS EXAMINATION OF MR, WRIGHT, © Mr. Beach—Do you recolleet tho conver- ion Ao acenrutely that you cnn swoar thut tho word “speech’™wasmot used in ft1 A, Iixeept it was lu refer- enco to n spocol o Mr. Tilton's, : Q. T usk It your recolloctlon fa s0 nccurate that you cangwenr that the term “speech was nol used in that conversation? A, Trocolleet thut Mr. Tilton said thot Tie Apoke (ho evening bufore. i Q. My quostion fs, whether your recollection s %0 ace cmeate thnt you will swear (he torm “apeech” was not et fn this conversation. A, I wiinot, Q. Wave the curs [n motfon Whan this conversalion was vrogrossing? A. It wis, 8ir. Q. Ang one sitting with yout A, No, 8ir. Q. Yo were not engaged In rending ot the timat A, 1 think not, Q Areyougureof thult A, Tam not, Q. How long were theso pot tles conversing hehind you ¢ A The conversntlon which I icutd lasted aboul ifteen or twenty minntes, Q. DIl they eonilnite tho conversntion not in your hear. ing? A My recollection Is that Uleft the car sovn after awd weut Into xnother enr, Q. DIU yon bear all tho conversation that passed batween {h luelng thoso fifteon or bwenty minutes 1 A, Tenn't sny that [ did, Mr. Bench—That 18 all, Bir. My, Sheanvan—Aro you not poeltive that it this word “apeeeh™ was used it was used in reference to Mr, Tllton's specelt? A, Tam positive with reference to that, Mr. Ruach~0D, let us seo uhout {hat! Are you o poal- tive In your recollcetlon thinl you will swear that the ward *gpeech,” In that conversation between these tles, was not nsed u auy other connectlond A. 1t was not, that T heard, Q. DU you mske o memorandum of the conversation? A. Tdid not, Q. Tt wayin 1872, over Lwo yors agol A, It waa in 174, Bl J Q. Aust when i1 you flrst communleato thut conversa- tlon to uny vnet A, I spoke of it on my return howe, noxt morning, Q. To whom?. A, My wife. Q. To whom clse dld you commmunleate it at any timet A, Tean't recolleet, unless withlu reeent perlod—sinee the commencement of this suit. Q. How cama you to eommnunieate it to any onot A, I communicnted It to Mr. I, Gk Combs, Q. Wholshel A. IMu Is connceled with the same placo of Lukiness, Q. Do youknow iow the defeudant’s eounsel hocame acquainted with your information on this subjectt A, I v not Xnow, of my own kuowledgo, Q. You supposo [t was through that communication ¥ 1 prestime 8n, Q. Whero dues Mr, Combs reslde? A, Tu Brooklyn, Mr. Beuch~That ls wil, Bir. I BETH LA PIERRE Fi 3 Elizabeth L Pierre Palmar was then called foy the dofonse, asvars, and exnuitaod. Mr. Shearmnn—-Mrs. Yulior, witero do ‘you rosidot A. In South Careling, Q. What I3 your post-uflico in Seuth Carolinat A. TESTIMONY OF Mr. Ehenrman—1f you ean. Aro you at preaont stop- Ing In Now-York? A, Iam, Q. Wit whom are you at presont stopping? A, Mrs. Jolin Keysur, Q. The wife of John IT. Keyser, A. Yee, Sir. Q. InSccond-nve.? A, You, SIr Q. Your henlth Is not very guod, I suppose? A. No, 3lr; Lo not quite wull, Q. BUll, try to speak loudor, Whero wera you horn and, brought upl A, T wus born. in Ticonderoga, on Lake Goorde. 1 wus brought up lu Ellzabetitown, lu (bis State. 2 Q. Elizubethitown, Eseex County? A, Yer, Sir, Q. DId you aflerward remove to Massachuecttal A, 1 Aanl., Q Where dld you llve In Masachusetts? A, [lived in Cumbirldgo o part of tho tiwoe, Q. Abont how lougt? A, I was lu Cambridgo nearly five years, Q. After that whera did you live? A, Tn Boston, Q. About how long there? A, Throo or four. years, I think, Q. DI you nflorward rewovo to this Btalol A, rdia, Q. When did yont como bisek fo New-Yorl Btuto! A In hn Spring o 1871, Q. Whit wns your occupation at Cambrldge, Mrs, L Pilmer? . A, T was studylng as u landsospe painter—an artlat, Q. Alandseapo artist) A, Yea. . Q. Have you pursned that profession? A, I have, 8ir, Q. Did you niterward cnter Into uuy ofher businessd Ao Yes, Sle, Q. 8tuto whnt (it husiness waa, sud what led you to 1t1 A, Tiuvented n lndy's stocking suspender, and wont to Washington ind yateuted it, and ofterward manufac- twved H—-affersmd manatactnred 1% aud Jutroduced it ull through the counliy, Is your hushaud's nanis? A, Fredoriok Angus- Q. [fave you been marrled moro thun ousw? A. Yes, Bir; twico, Q. Whowasyour formerhushandt A, Herhert Danleln, Q. Tlow fa it thut you havoe been married againt A, I was divoreed from my tirst hushond, Q. Who obtalned thut divorcet A. George Hart of this eity, Q. Luenn na hetween you and your husband—did you o did ho oitaln it 1 A, T, G Yo ohtainod the divoree! A, Yew, Sir. Q. Aud when ald you marry your presout husband | A. Ontho 1l day of Maroh, 1874, Q. When did yon marry your furimer huebandt A, On hie 16th stay wf Mareh, 1908, mQ. You were marvled, then, about uix yearat A, Yes, r. Q. Now, Mes, Paliner, tlld you over form the aequaints anee of M. Victorla ¢, Woodhullt A, You, Bir. Q. WILyun stute about what thno you formod her ge- sunintaneat A, In May of 1870, Q. Under what elreumstancest A, T was here holding & convention in connectlon with Mr, Heywood and otliors. Q. Mr. B, IT, Hoywoud1 A, Yvs, Rir, Q. Ho Isa promincut Jabor reformer of Massnchusotta A, Yos, Sir, Q. Wero you (uterested jn the Labor Reform move- mentd A, Yes, 8ir, o Q. Goonund state whut occurred? A, I was on tho Estentlve Committes and one of the Vico-Presldents of that Awsoedution, aud 1invited, I conneetion with others, M« Woodlbull to speals at that convention, Q. Did who comof A, Eho did. Q. Feouy (hiat thme forwerd you had un acqualutance with herf A, Yo, v, Q. Btato whether you ever oceupled any portion of her ol Lau, Q. When dld that hegin? A, In the Spring of 1871, Q. Under what clremmstunees did yon come to share a Duitlon of her oflee ) A, Mrs, Woodhull gave mo, very Linddy, wertulsslon 1o take wy bustucss of sy stockluge suspender Into her ofifes, anit to work from there, Q. When did you beeotie, It over, acqualated with My, Theodore Tilton? A, In tho Spriug of 1871, Q. Aut where? A, At Mra. Woudhuli’s ofiico, Q. Now, att you £ the dats 50 far s to say whether 1t was before or alter tho et publicativn of IA¢ Galden Age that you hoeame acquainted with Mr. Tiiton at Mra, Woodhuil'a offica ? A, Tt was hefore. Mr, Bhoarman—That date, it Ia ngreed, was the dth of March. 1871, [To tho witness.] Abunt how lon biefore that dato do you foel at all positive that you saw Mr. Tiiton at thnt oflea? A, Eilther the Inst of January or thoflest of Fobruary, Q. That {4, you nican the first pact of Fobruary1 A. Yew, Rir; tho first part of the moath. Q. Not necossarily tho flst dngt A, Not tho day, 8le; I coulit not tell anything abunt the dny. Q. Can you recolloet anything of the elrcumstances under whioh yout firat saw Mr. ‘Vliton theret A, Yoa, 8ir, Q. Btnto what they wero. &, Mes. Wooldhull tolt mo ahe hiad Mr, Beaoh—Walt a momont, “THE QOLD! I TO SUPPORT TII SPIRITUALISTS, Mr, Shearmau—No; I mean the - civeum- atanced, sn far oy when Br, Tilton was prosont. A. [ enltod—T enlled at Mr. Thton's oflico w'sh Mrs, Woodiunt. Q. And dilhio eall gt Mrs, Woodhull's ofllee 1 A, Yes, 8l Q. What Lappened on that first lnterview at ra, Woodhull’s ofiicot A, T don't remember. Q. DId you hent any conversation batween Mr. Tilton and Mra, Wooiul! concerning the projected publlention of The Golden Age? A. 1 did, Blr, Q. Was thero any discussion nbout ita prospectust A, Yea, Blr, Q. Stato what that conversatlon was aa near as you Tenembior, glving tho words or the substauco of the wordst Icannot give tho words at all, but tho general torm— Q. Thio subatance? A, Tho general conversation, a niaber of thaea, wag—— 3r. Boach—No, no; not a number of times; (hat timo. Mr. Bhearman—Wetl | Mr, Beach—Let hier answor your guestion. BIr, Bickrman~1 want |lte convorsation about the pro- spectus or the pluna nbwut The Golden 4ge? Waa thero moro than ono couversatlon on thut subject A, Yos, Hie. Q. Are yon ablo to distingnish hetween the conversa- tions, ornot 1 A, Tdon't think thut T ean, definltely, Q. Thon you can stnto the subatanco of those couveran- tlona? A, Tuo aubatance was that Mr. Tilton stould start thla paper, and it posalblo they ahonld run the twe papers in connection with the Bpiritual ovement, Q. You sponk now of The Golden Age and of Woodhull & Otaftin’s Weekly1 A, Yea,Bir. Q. Wanannything sald about what kind of n papor The Golden Age was tobe—1 meun between 3Mrs. Woodhall and Mr, Tilton? A, You. Q. What waq snlid? A, It was fo he a radieal paper, taking up nll tho radical question« of the doy, Q. DIt Mr. Thton maXo any proposition to you in rel- tlon to The Golden Age? A. Yes, Sir, Q. What was that? A, Ifo wished mo to baeoae an agont for him, Q. Yon did not, hgwever? A, No, Rir; Tdid not, Q. Now, how froquontly, durlnz tho perlod of Fobrt- ary and Mareh, 1871, dil Yon seo Mr., Tilton at Mua, Woodhuil's officol A, Almost daily ; sometimes twleo o day—three Himes. Q. And during what period (id the frequetcy of Mr. Tilton's vialta to that ofilce continie 1 A, month—the Infter purt of the month ot Mareh, and of April, of 1871, Q. During the Summero? 1871 was ko nlso a frequent visitor at thooficot A, Yes, Bir. Q. Ditl yourr ever sco Mr. Tliton take lnnch at Mrs. Woodhuil's ofiice? A, Yes, 8ir, Q. Did yoit seo that frequently? A, Leannotstato that 1t waa frequently; but Iaww ko lunch there s niwber of times, Q. Iow mang tlmea do yon focl sure that yon sasw hit take funch thero T A, T wonkd not=I eould not gwenr to baving scon him talie luneh ther more (bun six thnes; T don't thilak, Q. But ean you swear to having scen him oftener in tho office, unil at ahout tho period of lunch time? A. Yes, Sir, Q. Did yout tuko lunch with Mrs, Woodhull on thons oo castonst A, Inever toclk lunek with Mrs, Woedhull aud. Mr, Tliton. Q. You dilt sometimes with Mrs, Woorlhull when Mr, Tilton was nut therst A, Sovernt thnes, Q. Did yon ovor hoar auy conversation lotween Mr, Thiton and Mra, Woodhull on the snbject of going out to funcil A, Thave never henrd sy conversation butween them, but T havo heard Mra, Woodhull say, “ Come, Theo- dore, let us go oub to luneh.” Q. Have you hoard that more than once? A, Yes, Sir. “AMILIARITIES BETWEEN MR. TILTON AND MRS, WOODHULT. Q. Now, did you over sco, during the Spritlg und Bummor of 1871, Mr. Tiltont ut the house of Mrs, Woudhull? A, Yes, Bir, €. How often do you supposo yout saw him thero? A, Aluost evory eventug, durlng tho semo perlods thut I have apolcen of eelng hiu ut tho office, Q. What was Mr. Tilton’s hubit scith rogard to the room 110 vrould occupy when he camo fo that howse? A. Ho usually romained & fow momenta In tho parlor—in tho frout parlor—anid afterwurd retired to the buck parlor with Mrs, Woudhall, and porhapa Bliss Clallin, or with Colonel Blod, or sotothnes alono with hers or up atalra tw the rvom ocenpled by Bira. Woodhull aud Colonel Blood, Q. Tntin back purlor of which you speak, were the other guosta mal or waa it kepl acparate from tho front partort A, It was kept separato from the front partor, ns o gencoud Aing; It was varely over threwn open o goncral o cosnal guests, Q. And whers did the general guests alt1 &, In tho front paclor, Q. Did you ovor fee My, Tlilon in Mea, Waoodlnil's bod- ronm? A, Vs, Bir, Q. o often did you sce him thered A, I contd not swear to baving scen hlm thers more than four times, Q. But Ia it your linproasion thit you saw Lini oftener— your bost improssiont A, Not (et I saw him oftener; but that I knew he was thore. Mr, Benoh—Well I—but It was no mattor. Thatmust ba from Intormation, Taupposo) Mr, Bhearinau~1 suppogg §0; or sho might have heard bim spente. Mr. Boach—Well, I don't kuow. though, Bir. hearman—You say you knew that hoe waa theros {lo you mean that you kuow from some ouc clsw's Infor- miatlon, or from hesfug him apeak—bls volead A, From somo ono €110 Aaylng thiat o had gone there., Mr. Henoh—Walt one moniont. Dow't stute what was sald to you, Imove to atriko thut out, your Honor, Judge Nellson—Yes, that lust clause. 3r, Sheprmun~I want to ascertain the character of hor information, It showa that tho otlier wattor wus not— (To witness.] Wuere waathis hedroom of Mrs, Woodhnll ~—an which ioor! A, Upono flight from ghe parlor—the batk room. Q. Up ono Night of stnlrs ! A, Yos, 8Ir. Q. Wora papers or writing naterlals kepl In ¢hat room § A, Yea, 8ir; thoro wus a desk there, and Colonel Blood dld moat of tho writhig thern In thu! roont In the avening, Q. What waa Br. Tilton dolug an thoro ecensions when you anw hilm thero ¥ Al Io was sitting at the deals, cithor tuiking or wrlting. * Q. DI you, on uny othior occasloy, sec Mr. Tilton on his wuy up stolra? A, Yon, SIr, Q. With whom was ho when lie was golug up atairs on thoas ocenaional A, With Mrs, Woodtull, Q. About what time of «ay wunit! A, In the evening, Q. Late In tho evemmng or carly?! A, About 9 or 10 w'eluolr, Q. What wero you dolng on those occasions to which youreferl A, Iwasubout leaving the Louse. Q. Wore you bldding them goodby1 A, Yos, Bir. Q. Blatoe Just what thelr position wos. What position aid Mra. Woodhull and Mr. Tilton occupy on those ocon~ slons to which you rofor when thoy woro golng up atalrs and you wora blddlog them goodby! About how far up the stuirs were thoy 1 A, Sometimes, or soveral times, I anw them Just atartiug to go up, and other timea ¥ have soon themn at the houd of tho atalrs, and other times balt Wway up the stalra; it was not always whon I was golng out; sometimes Iwas golnginto the back parlor, back aud forth, und saw thom go up. Q. Cau you recollect whether an soma of thoso ooea- slona you hade them * good night” us thoy were golng up- stufra! A Yea, 8lr, Q. About how many times do yon vecolleet thatt A, T don't kuow thut I can swear to bidding them ¢ good night" moroe than once on the staira, Q. To blitding thom “good night” more thun onco? A. Not bldding them “ good nlght,” fr, Benoh—1ua that whien she was going outt Tho Witucss—When I wus golug out, . Bhourman—Tiut how mauy tluea can you swear to seclig themn golng up tho etairs, or startiug up the stalrs, together? A, Four or tive thg Q. Desldea this onet A. Yes, Sir, Q. Nuw, you suy that yousaw Mr, Tilton, you are pretty positive, four timosin Mra, Woodlnll's bedroom up stairag oan you state whother on any ono ot these occustong Mra, Woodhull was taking Mr. Tllton urousd on a tour of fu apectiont A, N, 8lv, never, Y Q. That Iy to say——A. Not In wy presence, Q. 5ho nover was dolng it when you saw herd A, No, 8ir, Q. Wag o atanding or scated! A, Beatod, I owill get ot It, Q. Evers timet A, Yos, Sir, Q. tme of the four thneat A, Ves, 8ir. Q. Then ure You uble to b poslttve 1yl that o wan ot engaid i ooklng over tho teoms tosos whether they weve furnishied or capty 1 AL He was not, at the time I anw b, Q. What was Me. Tilton's manuer toward Mra, Wood- hull; what degree of familiarity existed between them during thet perfed t AL Thele manuer was nlwnys very affectlenste towned ench other, Q. How dill they wddress ench utherl A, * Vieky™ and “Theatore"” Q. State what, (£ ang, familiacltles existed between them to yonr observation—famillarities of manner, DIA they kisscach otber? A, T conld-not swear $o seclng them Miss ench oflier but onees but T havo freguently acen Me. ‘Tiltow aitting with his avm oronnd Mes, Wood- hall, on the #ofa, 31 was the common hublt when he sat down by er to pit bls arm neonmd he Q. When they wete standing, did y Nigarm aronnd her ! A, Yes, Sir, Q. DIt that happen teequently ¥ A, Yes, 8ir, Q DIt that amonnt to n habltoruoet? A, It was a hahit. Q. DIl you ever lear any converaatlon hetween Mr, Tliton and Mrs, Wooidlnll on tho suhject of onp or the other of them becoming the head of the pliritnalists of the United Btates? A, That wna frequently the talle between Mrs, Woodhnll nud Theoioro Tilton at this thno that I havo spoleen of—their first acqualntance, Q. Well, which of them was it thal— A, Mra, Wood- Iull—that w4 thoe conversation on the part of Mra, Wood- Tl ot tho thue that Lealled at hils ofilee with her, the first time that T saw hiue, Q. Well, was anything over aall about Mr. Tilton tiecoming the hend or lewder of the Spivituallsts 1 A, By Mes. Woolhult—yes, Q Tollml A, Yes, Sir, TILTON DENIES MRS, CHARGES, Q. Do you recolleet any conversation hetween My, Wooithall amid Mr, Thton on the subject of a seandal nibont Mr. liceeher, prior to the publieation of tho curd of Muy £, 19701 AL 1 dontunderstamd your questlon. Q. Youremewber there was a card published by Mrs. Woodhull on the Q. Did you not sen (hnt eard? A, Mra, Woodhull read the card to me hetoro it was published. Q Defore it was published 1 A, Yes, Sir, Q. Now, can you reenlicct whethier hefore she rend the enrd to you In that way there waa ang converantion ho- tween M Tilton wnd Mrs, Woodlnil on the sulject of the charge agnlust My, Beecher and Mrs, Tllton? A, Yea, 8ir, once in the bael ofiles, Mis, Woodhull was speaking of this chargo wgzalust Mr, Becehor and Mra, Thton, and M. Titton otarted np, hs face fuahad, and says: * Vieky, hat 13 not trie, My wife Is a3 pivo 03 suow, amt 1o sucl retatlon ever existed between Mr. Becehor and my wite, It In false Q. Did ho suy anyiling nbont never having told her s01 A, He sald, [ have nevor told youso, You mny have inferred It from what T have sl These—thls nay ot bo tho exact words (hut I have just glven you, Dut It I3 the ldoa, Q. The eubstanco? A, The last thut T hnvo given you 1s the fdea; the tirat gt of it wero tho exnct worda, Q. What wna Mrs. Woudlnll's reply to hfm1 A, Mrs, Woodhull stepped up to Wl and Inld both of hier hunds ou bfs ehonlders, faclng Wi, aud eald, * Now, Theodore, Theodore, yout know It I+ nut In the uature of {hings that n man and woman should ho thrown together ns Mr. Beeeher and Mrs. Tlton were and nothing of thut Klnd take pleco belween thems aud e soon lefl tho i ever see him put MR, WOODIULL'S room—tho vilice. —_—— " PROOFS OF TITE SCANDAL SIIOWN TIIE WITNLESS, Q. Do you rceollect an occurrence in the carly pmt of 1872, a conslderablo time prioe to the pub- licatlon ot what is known as tho * Woothill Beandul,” whon any proofs were oxhibited to youl A, Yes, Sir. Q. Who was present ou the oceuslon1 A, Mrs, Wood- Nl and Theodore THton; there might have somebody else [n tho room, but T don't remember, Q. Now, will youstate what occucred on that oceaston, a8 far 03 s, Woodlnll and Mr, Tilton were coneerned ! A, Mrs. Woodlmil and My, Tilton eamo in hustily to the private ollico, where [ was engnged on my stooking-sus- peuders, and Mrd. Woodhull says, I hnve something to show you, Danic! and sbe commenced reading what I afterward heard ealled, and heard at tho timo culled, tho Woodhuil SBeundnl; rend o portlon of It; Mr. Tliton only stopped for o moment, or u few muments, and went out Tumodltely, Q. Woll, abont what time In the year was this, Mra, Palmort A. This was somo liitlc timo beforo I went Into my bouso In ‘Iventy-soventhest., which waa induy; It waa somo weeld Lofore this—somo four or slx weeks boforo this, I thinlk, Q. Bomo four or olx weeks heforo tho 1st of Mayt A, Yeos, 8ir; tn 1872, Q. 18721 A. Yos, Bir. Q. Well, afier Mr, Tilton went ont did Mra. Woodhult give you thess proofst A, 8ho did, Q. Pl you vewd themd A, Yew, Sir, Tdid, Q. What wero the contents of those proofa, the aub- stance of (L1 A. It was substantinlly the snme that 1 aaw publishod stiorwnril In The Weekly, an *'Tho Great Woodhull Bontudal”~*Heecher-Tilton Beandal,” Q. Yousald you had heard §6 ealied “Tho Wosdhuil Beandal.” Do you mean to gy that st that tiae 1L was ealled “Tho Woodhull Seandal,” or “Tho Beeeher Boan- dalt” A. It was called ““flie Wonlhull Becelor-Tiiton Bennl,” alwuys. 2 Q. Yea. Now, dit you make any somark on the sub- Jeetof this proposed publivatlon, in the presenve of 3ir, ‘Ciltont A, Yey, 8lr, * Q. What did you say? A. I anid, “Mres, Woodhul, it you publish that scsndal or auy othor scnalal In your puper concorning—or pulilish anything concerning, tho privato lves of any porsons whatbver—I will have noth- Ing mors to o with you. I will never work with you egaln, and [ will havo nothing to do with you if you meddio with tho private llvea of any persons, It will be your deatlehlaw It youdo that ; it wilt bo your death- o, md 1wl bo Be. Tiltou's deathi-blow, 1f you do it Q. What did Bira, Woeodhull sny 1 A, Idun't remember what ehe sald, x . Q. Dldsbo Gy anyilingi A. 1 dait know that sho mado fny roply; I don't remember. . Dldn’t Mr. Tilton suy auything! A, No, Sir, Mr, TI[GR loft tumodintely. Q. But Lo heurd you say thist A, Ilo mwust have Teard; e wag in the voow. Q. 1o was prosent in tho roowm, atleast A, Yes, Sir, Q. DIl you ovor hear nuy eouversatlon botween Mrs, ‘Woodhmll and Mr, Tlton coneorning 3ir, Tltow's biogra- phy of Afra, Woodliuh § Mr, Bvarts—That Is a new suljeet, anid it 13 1 o’clock, The Cuurt then took tho usual recess untll £ o'clock, —_— THE AFTERNOON SESSION. The Cowt met at 3 p. m,, pursuant to ad- Journment, Etizubuth La Plerro Palmor was recalled and the dircet exumination resumed, 3. Bleurinan—3rs, Palmer, 1 was osking you bofore tho receas as to any Interview which took plico between Mr.Tifon and Mrs, Woodhull concerutng the “Lifeof Mra, Woodhall 1 ask you now whothor you were presont ut ony Interviow betweon thom on thut subjoct? A, Not until aftor it was publishod, Q. After it wae published, T mean, A. Afler it was published § Yes, Sir. Q. Wero you present at any interview when anything Wi dono fu rogurd to seudlug out the buokt A. Yes, Bir, Q. Blate what passed between Mr. Tilton and Mra, Woodhullon that subjost? A. Mr, Tliton looked over tho llat of numca whero the *Lifo" was to be sent,and on one oceaslon ho brought fn some tractsof The Golden Ago, or tracts that belonged to him, which he wished sont. to partioular individuala with the * Life”—with somo of ho books of the “ Lifo"~a fow of them. Ilcscemed to auperintend the sending away., My, Beach—Nevor mind, madam} Mr, Buonrman~That lsuot quito the proper shape in Which to put 1t; you st {ell what octs ho did, Bre, Palmer, and not what he scomed to do; any acts that ho did, or any worda that he said, or tho substance of the wonds, §¢ there is anything fusther. A, I think I Lave told you oll T remembor, Q. Now, madam, do you recoliect the Sundoy on which ;l‘m fawous Comwuny procession took place? A. Yes, . Q. Can you tall how you spent that day yourseltd A, I spent tho day with wy friends in Madison-ave.—~the greater part of the duy, In tho latter part of tho after- moon I went 10 to Mry, Woodhull's, aud wae there for @ while, Q. Where did your frlends livo! What friends wero sou stopplug With? A. Willtwin B. Hatel's, No. 210 Madison-ave, Q. How long dil you stay theret A. ¥ was there about six mouths, 2 Q. DI yon fee hor como Int A, 1dld, Q. Btate nnder what elrcamstances you aaw hor comn in, and who was with her, A, T wossianding nt the win. ow and Tooking out, when a earriage deovo up, aml Mr. Tilton nnd Men, Woodhwiland Mics Claflin got out of the enrringe and eatne fnto the roon, . Bhenyman—11nt 19 1L, Mr. Honch. CROSS-EXAMINATION OF MBS, PALMIRR, Mr. Bench—>Madum, what year was it you slated you van mnrtlel W M, Dantols, A, 1863, Q. 18081 A, 187 Q. What1 A, 1 Q. 18081 A, Yog, Bir, Q. Whero did the mazriago tokio place § Mr. 8argzent's, on Boacon THIL, tplaco, madamt A, At the Rev. Mr, Bar- £ent’s, on Teavon 111, I Toston, Q. Tu Boslon. Theg pardon, T am not famndlinr with Boston. And whero did you thon resido nfter the mur- rlnget A, Wo went lomedlately to Iive In womo tootas which iy hnsband Lad furnished In n bank whleh ho wus carrylng on. Q. Tu lostom, Taupposat A, Yes, 8ir., Q. Mow tong Md you remnin thern? A, Rewatned thero nbout slx montha, T think, fu tat hulldiug, Q Tdow't mean that partieular hullding, but i the Clty of Bostunt A, Renulued thoru until the Bpring of 1871, Q. Until the Apring of 1871 A, Yes, Bir. Q. Aud whera then dil you roulove tot &, To Now- ol Q. You and your husbandq A. Yes, 8lt. No, BIr, T camo Liero without my bushand. Q. Youtcamo withont your hushand, What time in the Spring of 18711 A, Leawo hor In tho last weok of Jun- uary of 1871, i Q. Tho lns weok of January of 18711 A, T don't mean tho Inat weok; I mean tho week after tho holidays of Jun- unry, Toamo the week aftor Now-Yon's, Q. That wonld be ths second weok of Januaryt A, T don't know whother the sccond weols; ft was the weok affer Now-Yenr's. Q. Well, whera did you tako up your resldence then at that thuo, Iu Now-York? A. AL A, B, Hateh's, in 49 Tark-nve. Q. Wihint huslness was your husbnnd engaged in in Ros- A, At the Rev, ton when yon lett in Janunry, 18711 A, Ifo wna mann- fucturing my stocking-susponders, and sonding them on to 1o In Now-York ag fuat na I orderod them. Q. Aud lio conthuied up to what tlmel A, Up to 1872, the Mny of 1872, when lie mnoved here. Q. When what1 A, When he moved to Now-York, Q. Yo moved to Now-Yorlkt A, Yos, Sir, Q. Intho8pring of 18721 A, Yo, 8 : €. And you contlnned to restdo at Pasleave,d A, Twad there uniil nhout the 18t of May. Q. 0118721 A. Yey, Bir; no, 8Ir; of 1871, Q. Ot18711 A, OL1871, Q. Whero then did you go1 A. Then T wont bnelk fo Boston und stoyed durlng tho month of May, and made proparations Lo go West, Q. Yot returied to your liband's honse fn Boston 1 AL Yes, Sir, ¥ Q. Aud remained thare about how long? A. During the month of Muy, and perhops tuto the flrst of Juune; T couldn't tell exactly ; It wua {n the month ef Juno that I returned here—the early part of June that I returnal Tiere, Q. June, 18711 A, Yea, Sir. Q. You returned again to Now-York 1 A, Yes, fir, Q. Whero thendid you takoup your reeldence! A.J went to the Cosmopolitan Iotel, Q. As a bourder? A, Yes, 8lr, I dua't know as a vouriler ; Tatopped theres Q. IMow long iid you remaln theret A, I was thers perhaps two weeks, or threo weeks, or four weeka; I cunnot tell exectly. I gota severo coll and went back again to Boston, nud stayed o fow weeks, Q. When did yon return agaln to New-Yorlk? A. Lo turned In ahout two or threo weeks' timo. Q. Bomo thno tu July followlng? A, I think it wasin July; T couldw’t tell exnctly; it was throo or four weeks, Q. Whero then dld you take up your rosidence fn Now- York? A. Ther I went to Madlsou-ave. with my filonds, Q. Tho snme name that you have mentioneds A, Yes, Bir; nhrothier of A, &, Iateh, the bankor, Q. And how long Ald you remain there? A. X remalned there ubont six mon(ly, Q. Well, what change did yout then mako fn your rest- deneol Al Then I weont to tho liotel, the Westmmoreland Hotol, and was thers perhaps thieo weeks—Lwo or threo weoka; oud from thero I fook o bouso in Twenty-sove- cnth-st, Q. Any ono with youat the Wesimoreland Hotelt A, No, 8ir; X was alone. Q. Yon then tovk n house where? A, At tho Weatmore- Jand Hotol. Q. From there you sny you took nhougot A, Yes, Blr, on Twents-soventhest, Q. Twenly-seventhat, 1 city. Q. Of Now-York! A. Ycs, Sir, Q. For how long id you lcuso that house? A, Two yeurs, Q. DI you occupy it for that timet A, Yes, Sir. Q. Waa your hushand, Mr, Danlels, with yout A, Ie was there & puvt of tho flute. 5 Q. Durfng what part of the timet A. Fo was thero durlng the year of 1872 and a part of the yonr 1873, Q. Durlng tho wholo yeor 18721 A, Yos, Slr, Q. ITow! A, Yea,8Ir, ¥ E - Q. And durlog what part of the yeor 18731 A, The oarly part of the yoar; T couldu’t tetl Just the month. He was comlug and golng always; sometimes ho would be thoro for tiiveo nud four weels together; and then he would ho away for n mooth, or a weelr, or turee or four doya, or perhaps alx weeka at o timo, Q. Who were the inmates of that houso during tho ttme Tweuly-sevonll-st, of thls youocenpled it1 A. My Inmates wero varylug, changlog; Tlet part of myg roomus, Q. To whom did you let them? A, Tlet the firat floor— the partor floor—to a dvetor—TFred, A, Palwer, niy preacnt Tushand. Q. Froderlok A, whot A, Palmety €. Whan 3R 5T et thomn to hls? A, Tho 1st of May, when I fivst went Into tho bouse. Q. DId ho remaln In the oceupancy of hom durlng the lenso? A, Yes, Sir, during the cntire time, Q. What portlon of the house dld you occupy ) ocoupled tho sccond floor, Q. DI yot lot mnybther patt of the housed A. Yos, Blr; Tlet tho hack raom of the floor thut T was on moat of the time, and tho upper floor, all of It, with the oxception of a smull room for my servants, Q. To whom dld youlet the backroom? A. Up atuirs, ou tho floor that I wusi Q. Yea. A, It was to pationts of my husband. Q. Dr. Polmer? A. Yes, 8ir. | Q. To whom dld you rent tho upper floor! A, To pa. tlonts a purt of thio time, and an artist o part of the time, | Q Whut artlst? A. deorgo Allen, u portsait painter, Q. Well, then, during most of the time tho portlon of tho house not ocenplest by your present husbaud and yourself was oceupled by patients under his treatment? A, Yea, Sir, Q. What aciunl of penctice does Jio botong to? A, Mag- netlo phyatelan, Q. A magnetlo physlelant A, Yos, Bir, Q. Woll, will you give us somo general kien of his mode of treatmwent ) % Mr. Blicarman—~One moment, Mr, Noach—Doea he upply eleetrleity t Mr, Bhosrman=Ono moment, Wo oblect to that, if your Houor please. Wa ilo not see that thisfa fn any way materinl, what {he moile or tho school of practice wos, homopathte, allopathie, eleetrle, Thompaonlan, or mag netle, or what 1t was, Judgo Nullson—Isupposo the counsel only nsks for u general viow, , Mr, Deach—That s all, Br. I om ot trying tolearn thoaccrets, BIr. (Foughter,) Juilge Nellson—No, Tho Witneas—It the gentleman whl nllow me, T onght properly to have suf that bis prastice Is electrie rather thun magnetie, Q. 'That Is, Le sdopits tho best part of all schoolst A, Yes, 8ir,, Q. Well, ts he an electrielan? A, Teould uot answor that question, Q. Wall, how does he apply magnetiym Mr. Shearman—I take 1t this s golug (nto the detalls; it whil open an endlves Inquiry as to the difercut schools, Mr, Beach~On! 6 wiil not be very long, 8ir. Iam croes-cxamining, 8ir, nud foquiring futo the history a little, (To tho witnces.] Will you apewer me, madam, how he upplica hia wagnetio treatment? A, Ithink that Tabmllappeal ta the Conrt, thut my hnsband’a busiucas 80 Physlclan bue nothing to do with this case whatover, and shall, unicas the Court compels e, rofuse 1o answer the queation. N Q. Well, 1t s not the firat thae T bave been refused by o [ lady. [Laughter.], DId you particlpato in bis practice : A, No,Bir, Q. Notutalti A, Not to participate in the practice. Q. Ifow? A, Not to purticipato In tho treatment of his Al Q. About what thuo of tho day dId you go down to Mua. (|- Patlents Woodhull's? A. Iu tho afternoon, . Q. Did you that afternoon—— Oh! ono moment, DYl Fou yourself take auy part fu the Commune proceaslpiat A. No, Sir, Q: Whou you went Woodbultat®™ a1 4 * wn to 3rs, Woodlull's ¥'a3/dirs. et : Q. DIA you atd him In the practlce? A. No, 8ir, psatid il v TIE WITNESS A CLAIRVOYANT. Q. Well, you seemed to quulify your answer to wy queation, DIA you act us o medium u tho dis- Q. You are o apieltunl medinm, thon—profoss 1o hoy A. That dependy cutlrely upon what yon mesn by o spire ftunt medhon, Q. Well, what yomeant A, I am uot calted upon to o the tevy Q. O, yes, yon certatly ace ealted upon. T oul upon yoit. A Lunt not vory good at deseription, and alisil not T able to give yon nvy desoription. ; Q- Modum, §difer with youin regard to your capnoity to doxerity thonght your deacriptive fucully wan very escelfents A1 you whil fell me whal you moanhy a Apirituatl medion, then T whil answer your queation to the very bestof my abitity, T don't understand you, Q. Dow't yutunderatand what the form monus In come mon phicascology . A, T undomtiond i good many meaa- n v tho woud “aplelitint modinm,” G Well, lwamy of Hta uionninga do you profess tods ouat A, Yes, By, Q. And yon wns enlted upon fn that capacity to atd T hnahanid in deteettng the disonses of patienta thay phod fo him ¢ A. 1 was enlied upon at thuea to inake elalrvoyunt examinntlons of the pationts of my husband. Q When dit yon say you was married 1o Dr, Balinor A« On the 10th day of March of 1874, Q. Thut wins just bofors the toermination of your loaso® A Yés, Htr, Q. And this praciles of aiding him you bad pursucd bo foro you became hiawife! A. You, Bir; not of aiding N, bt of exumtntng patierits datrvopantly. Q. That wus done for compensation! A, Yos, Blr, Q. DId you havo nny stated pact of tho proooeds of the businesst A, No, 8ie, Q. Pald by tho Job1 A, Twan pald for whatover I did. Q. Well, pald for the partloulnr sorvice you rendared t A It Imado a olpirvoyant oxumluntion of a putiont T Wns Pl so much for that examination; tho potlont un- dorstood thls and pald mo, Q Undoubtedly, madam. A, Handod tho pay Lo mo, not ns o part of the bustness, hut as clnirvoyant. Q. When you muda theso oxnminutions wore you in what {a termed o stato of traneo! A. Loannot (ol you, Hir, Q. Iow1 A. Teannot tell yon, Q. Youcannot fell mot A, T don't Imow, Q DIl you have o porfeet self-consolonanoss at ths time 1 A, No, 8tr, [dld not. Q. Then you aupponed yoursolf to bofn n condition of trnco, did you mot? A, I had cntiro confidenco In the persons who told me that;T was In n trance. Q. I have no doubt of (hat, madam? A, That s oll the knowledgo Thavo of it. Q. Bu that when youmade theso oxaminations you wons intu s stute of persouul unconsoiousncsst A, Tsuppose a0, Q. Well, yott ¥now you was not conseious of your con ditlon and the rovelnttons you maids nt the tiiwe, was you A. Twun not comiclous of gaying anything or doing any- thing. Q. Iave you heard {ho term “trance medium® usod ever! A, Yes, Hir, a gront mony (imos, Q. 18 that tho descrivtion of the condl{lon or faculty whivh you posseased 1 - A. Idon’t think it ls, not tu the commaon peeepfation of the word. Q. Well, wherein did you supposo the differenco to vxe Int, Birs. Pulmor? A, I eonld not sxplain tho difforenco, only 1 Lnow Uit there Is u difforenco, Q. And yours wus u higher stuto or splritual condition v A, Tcannot tell, Q. Well, did you concelve ft tobe sot T don’t aupnoas youcould tell, A, T hud 510 thought on the subject nt ull until you have askod mo to think on It. Q. Well, wheu n that condition you could doteot the conditlon of the physlcul system of a patlent 1 A. Edon't kuow, Elv ; I could not. Q. Well, tho spirlt, tho foree, tho power which you supposed operated wilbin you, ennbied you to commuui. enta to Dr, Palmer, or whoover elso wus troatlng tha puticent, tha condition of the pationtt A, I was told whon I would nwaken that such was tho fuot. Q. Well, you had no doubt about 1t ; you bolloved fa the possesslon of that epititual power or ngency, did you notY A, Yes, Blr, T bolloved dnit; but botiof and knowl. odgo aro two differcnt things. Q. Certalnly; I am awaro of that, madam, Did you upon other oceaslons act as n modium of that charncter, ‘Vosldea for your prescent busband, Me, Palmer? A, Well, what do you mean, 8irt I will auswer your question If [ can underatnnd what you waat, Q. What T want to know, madam, 18 whether tpon other occaslons yon acted 03 & medium—sapleltunl mediumt A Yes, Bir; a groat many tlmes, Q. And for varlons purposes and ohjeets, or was it cu. tlrely confined to the prootice of medleinet A, It was uot conflncd to the practico of modietna, — STRANGE REVELATIONS ABOUT A CLAIR. VOYANT’S GIF18, Q. Did you supposo this spiritunl poser en- ablod yon to dotoet other socreta or Invialble conditions than thoso In tho human frame! A, Yea, 8ir; cvon when Iam in my normal, orscom to-he in my normal atate—~ that I can answer to aa huving kuowledgo concerning. 18 13 moro than beliot, Q. That is, when you are in what yon consider a per- feotly natural, normal condition, you can 8o Aecrots, cone ditions, invislble to other peraons who havo not the par- tlcular faculty which yon possesst? A. Yes, 8r, wjon £ am in tho poculiar apiritual or magnetlo state, and yet T nm porfootly unconsclous. It enables me to read the sccrota of poople to a vory great degreo. Q. Thatls, youoan read thé secrcts of their mindr, or tho oporations of tholr minds or lioarts? A, U don't think 1t 1a the oporation of thelr mind, but Tam cnnbied to sea tho acta of peoplo, that they huve commitiod during their lite, beonusa they are all photographied upon the sonl of tho man or the woman,and in this clairvoyant atato ‘where I am perfeotly consclous, apparontly, T am enabled to rond as clearly what 1a written on the soul of a mun or ‘woman, all their past acts, os you aro cnubled to rewdt the pagaof a written bovk. [Sensution.] Q. Yes. Iow doeathla mysteriowns power supervens, Mra, Palmor? TTow do you fool the cummunication, the 2pproféh of thls clalrvoyant condition A, I feel, In tha firat placo, o strango seusatiou in wy oyes and hoag, pr{{ my visfon scoms to bo turuod within, ao to spefl, and ¥ seom £0 800 DQY With my eyes, but from the forehond rather than the eyes. 1 don't hardly know low to answer your question. Iam perfectly willing to nnswor your quostion, Q. On, T havono douht, mindnm. A, Bt T don't hardly know what you want; I don't hardly understand your question, - Q. Well, tho purpose of my quostion—It wna perhapa olisourely conveyed—wus to learn whothor this olalrvoy. ant conditlon was voluntarily, or whothor it camo luson- aibly and unconsclongly ¥ A. It comea without any voli tlon on ny purt; LLovo uothlug whntever to do with {6 any more thou you have, I Laye no powoer to compel It to come to me, no powor of énforlog Into auck o state. Whon thls power ocowes to me, and tokos posscssion of mio, or overcomos mie, or aflects e, It comea without any consclousness on my part, For jnatanco, I mny bo thrown Into a pooullar, half-conacious state, and loso tho consclonancas of att persous uround me, andl yet Lo perfeetly consclous of thny which i8 right before me, n8 you are now, Porhaps my hand will bo tuken and nffocted, then tho hnud and the arm, and a peom written througl my hund, or somn re- wurkablo rovolution of prophevy, or somothing of that kind written through my band; and again Iam thrown {uto u stato whero I beoume totally unconsclous—that is, Tam told that I am—nnd through my lps are poured hymue, and rovelutions, and poms, . from tho old posta, and mien and women, who lived longago, glving unmla. taknhloovidonen that thoy still ltve, that thoy aro not dend, and that they wiill live, giving namistaksblo ovi dence of thelr presence ; but T have no power ta aslk thens to como tomw, If that i3 what you waut to know, Q. No. A, Thoy como of thelr own treo will, whenever the wiser power that 1s gulillog ail that iy, or the band thnt surrounds o sees flt to open tho door, because arouud e, und around you, and srouud every othor lnwman being, {s o baud of apirits that tako up tuelr abode around them when tho ohild 1s born, and that band pro- teet the chlld, or the man, or the woman wherover they 80, und 1o other spirit hing any power or any right to ap- proach you, or to approach me, or to upproach anybody clse, only as the baud opens and allowa them to come in for somie wise purposo,- which God Himselt govorns and controls and admits, Q. Well, you supposo this band of spirits which sur- rounds overy humun soul at ite birth into the world ia » band of benlgunut aud good splrits, don’t you? A. Al woys, U Q. Then no human soul ean bo assailed with impropor influences and teinptations unloss God opens the olrelo or spiritual (ntluence for the ovil spirit to enter? A. Most certainly not. No human soul fs over loft to tho wercy of agood spirit or o bad spirit, God Himselt controls every human soul, man or womnay, and not only permite all of thelr uota, but hmpels thelr ucts for & wiso purpose, which will bo seen soou or lato, Q. Do you consider the human soul responaible for the actson corth? A, Yeannd no, Q. Woll, we havo Lnd that auswer here bofore, [Laugh- ter,] It Lus bothered us vory greatly, A. Well, I will auswer you then withont tho *yes*”—ny, 8irj no buman soul 13 respousible for Its acts, becauss no human soul fe respousible for its birth ; no huwmnu soul 18 responaiblo fos any act, beeauso 1 you llft your hand in that mopnee Miustrating), you dow’t kiow thia effect it1s golng to buve upon dlaplacing tho i, und upon every othor human —_—