Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, April 27, 1875, Page 11

s o R THE TILTON-BEECHER TRIAL, —— FOUR WITNESSES IN TIIE CHAIR. SROTIMONY OF BAMUEL DWIGHT PARTRIDGE, EDWARD 2, WRIGHLS, MRS, ELIZADETIL LA PLERRE PALMER, AND BENJAMIN 1, TRAGY—TIHE MEMORANDUM AC- COMPASYING T CUECK TOR 7,000—Mn, TI1~ TON'S COMMENTS BOON AFTER THI WOODNULL PUDLICATION—IIE RELATIONS TO MU, WOOMIULL AT MER OFFICE AND AT TER JIOUSE—REMARIA- DLE TESTIMONY OF A CLAIRVOYANT—MIt. TRACY'S EARLY CONNECTION WITHI TIH: CASH. Tho cross-oxamination of Samuel Dilght Partridge wns finlshod yestorday, Tho defense then called o8 witneases Edward J, Wright, Mre, Llizaboth L Plerra Palmor, of Montmoreney, 8, C., and Benfamin F. Tracy. M, Palmer testified In roferonco fo Mr, Tittow's relutions with Mrs, Woodhull in 3871, and hio origin of tho Golden Age. Tha Court adjourned 10 minutes haforo the usual timo at tlo request of Bfe, Boach, who will not bo prosont to-day, Mr Beaoh satd that for personal reasons ho hiad intended to crosg-oxatnine Mr. T'racy, and L hoped some ar- rangoment could bomade to defer th oxamination, Mr. ‘I'racy’s cxamination will, however, Lo continued to-day, and tho eross-oxamination will be begnn ns soon as Mr, Becch returna, AUDIENCE, CASUIER, AND MEMORANDUM. ‘The nudicuco was small. yestordny. In the fore- noon thy court-room was not full, Tho ocenpants of tho gallery frequontly descrted their soats, which ero talen by now-comerd, and in ihis manuer tho clomonts of the audionce shifled during tho day. Aftor Mrs. Palnier liad taken tho stand, the news flow from mouth to mauth that a woman was testi- fying, and in the aftornoon (ho nnmber of spestators wan Jaurger than before recess. Thers wero many Iadies in the conrt-room; thero were threo rows of thom to the right of tho dofendants coun- sel, Mr. and Mrs, Beechor arrived in their earringo before 11 o’dlock und entered the court-honso by tho Livingstou-at. ontrance, Compuratively fow yorsons Und nssembled to stare ot them. Intho court-room Mr, Becchier sat in his nsual place, most of the time attending closely to the proceedingy, Mrs, Beeeher leang lier head on her hand and studied the countenances of these aronnd hor, Ifer usual ox- pression was that of great cainestness, but necagion- ally hor pale faco would light up with a smile at somo wity remurk of the lawyers, The afr waa closo and warm in the convt-coom, and during tho scssion one man fainted und wos carried vut, The croes-esawination of Mr. Partridge Ly Mr. Beach was opened with questions in reference to tho sollow slip of paper containtng the words: * Spoils from now friends for the enrichment of old,” which accompanied the Do cheek of deposit for $7,000 In 1872, Tho wiluess deseribed tha druwer in which ho hud placed tho choek and the slip of paper, o naid ho did not recolleet whethor the check und the slip of puper had como fustened together or not. Aftor tho paper had been in tho drawer for somn timoe Lo took it out, folded it, and pud it in his pocket-baok, withont telling any wember of tho fire about it An amusing seeno oceurred when Mr, Beach asked {be witneus to take out hls poclet-hook and re paperin it in tho compartment wldeh it ind'd after boing taken from tho drwwer. Mr, Partridgo did not recollect over telling any member of tho firm that sueh o paver hii accompanied the Nowen chock uutil two or thres wesks ngo, wheu ho told Jeromiah P. Robingon about it. 1fo had shown it to hiy wifo und children, and onn or two other persons, saon aftor tho publication of the atatements in rela- tion to tho seandal last Summor. Mr. Pactritdgo swua also qnestioned about. his atleged convorsntion with Mr, Moulton, When he first took tho stand in the morning, ho eald he desired to cor- veet tho statement which ho mado Jast Friday in regard to tho timo wlien tho conversation took placo, It was in 1871 Justend of 1672, Ko had had another eonversation with Mr, Moniton about the seandal about two yenrs Lefore he loft the firm of Wuodruf & Robinson, which was on Deo, 81, 1874, The witness could mot swear that Franklin - Woodruff was mob present at tho convorsntion in 1871, but that wus the ouly conversation with Mr, Moulton in which the num- Bor of Splritualists had been moutioned. On the ro-direct oxamination of Mr. Partridge r. Evarts drew from hiw the faot that lie had been educated for the law. Soou nftevwenrd lio asked the witneas a question to whick tho latter bogan to respond in his sustomnry wandering manner, “Will you stop, Sic!” oxolaimed Mr, Beaoh, and then added ironically, “you kuow youure s lawydr.? “ I ought not to bave brought that up vguives me,” roplied tho witness sniling, During tho conrso of hiu cross-examinution Mr. Partrldgo manifested a tondeucy in answering que tions to branch out into collateral matters, and Mr. Beack moro than onco asked Judgo Neileon to in~ struct the witness to confine s answers to the ques- tlons, ¢ ———— MR. TILTON'S REMARKS ON T1IE2 WOODHULL PUBLICATION, Edward J. Wrlght, & residentof Greenwich, Conn,, ‘Wi tho next witness for the defense, Buforo the ex- aminntlon was begun, Mr, Evarts offered in ovidenco alotter from Mr. Tilton to Mr, Davis, dated at tho offico of 2 Golden Age, Sopt. 18,1871, In thia lettor Mr. Tilton asked the reciplent and his wifo to read lis *“Lifo of Victoria Wooedhull,” and W give DIim thefr fnpression of it o wid that he had unmderatated rather than ovoratated tho facts in that boule. BMr, Wilght testifiod that ho Lind known Theodore Tilton Ty sight far eight yenrs, On Nov, 4, 1872, soon after {ho pub- dication of tho Woodhull articls, which ho had read, Lie Loolk a irain from Concord, N, 11, for New-York, Boon after leaving Concord, Mr. Tilton entered tho traln and sst down mear him., Another gontleman camo in and pat down by Mr. ‘iiton’s side. Thia gentloman naked Mr, Tilton nbout the ‘Woudhull seandal. The Latter roplied that ho had scen it in un Bastern papor, but suid that ho eared nothiug for it himselt, hut that Mrs, Tilton was I delicato health amd Lo feared for its efivet upon hor, Mr. Boach, in cross-examining this witnoss, eald that hounderstood tho conversation in the cars ro- forrod to was fn reforones to o speech made in Bos- ton by Mra. Woodlull about Mr, Beecher and Mrs, "Tilton, The wituees anlil ho dlatinelly recollected that Woodhull and Claftin’s Weekly was mentioned In that converaation, and that it rofurred to the Woud.' uull scandal, During the cross-oxamluation of BMr, Wright, Mr, Beach consulted with Mr, Tilton two or threo timea, Tho latter was busily writiug during o large part of the day, — & CLAIRVOYANT'S VIEWS OF LIFE AT MRS, WOODHULLS, ‘Thore was s marmur of ouriosity When a woman of very striking appearance waa conducted to the chairas tho noxt witnees for the defense, Bha wng of middle nge, and was apparently weaken, by dckaces, B0 wos drossed iu pri Bucque, aud wore a siraw bonne :;lumwl With long stroamers of a brilliang ml.‘ er :lnrk Lair wag cut short, hor features wore firn, and lmnlbuwluuhm inexpresslon, aud she hadg m;'vuh musieal voico. Blo was examined by o5 ;:Sum Bhe gavelier namo s Elizaboth Ly ! Zfl mor, Bho had puraued tho profession of 5 An:n cnpnnllltnmlhm.lxuldulnnxontmnmlwl. L.C, a grhc:nt ll;lm Was staying with frionds in this vity, AL cen martled twice, Blo was divorced l;mlns 7'e‘r .;:rmur husband, Herbort Duniely, in 1868, i z Wa8 marriod to Ler presont husbaud, i l;‘mmus Paluwer, un ooluctio plysician 'e.hlul'. ork. Bhe hag - formerly, sho gaid, she mauufuc. tooking.suspenders of own invention, She ouuplcdxn {,’::-e‘ o!nlllrlx: Woodlull's office in the Bpring of 1871, . Bl :m Mr. Tilton in Fobruary, ]871. Sfo‘];xer:s M"'l ‘H‘ml Wood‘lmn and Mr, Tilton talk o * publoation of Tho Goldew NEW-YORK DAILY TRIBUNE, thal Mr., Tilton was to start The Golden .ige, and run [t together with Woodkall and Claftin's Weekly in connection with the Spiritualisnm movement, | was to bo n ridical paper, taking up all the radieal queations of tho duy. Mr. ‘Tilton had asked the witnees to bo an agent for his now paper, but sl Tind refused. She saw Mr. Tiiton ut Miw, Woodhull's ofiico two or fhreo times a day, during part of Fobruary und during March aud April, 1871, Sho saw Mr, THton go to lunch with Mg, Woodhall at lest six tines, Heverul timen sho heard Mes, Woodhinll say to lim, ** Cote, ‘Theodore, lebus go out to luneh” ) ealled eash anot “Pheadors” and-* Vickey.” Sl also sasw Mr. ‘Tilton taken into the hack parlor, which was not thrown open to ordinary guests, and foar times sho aaw him in Mrs. Woodhull's beds room, eitting at na desk, and either tolling or wiiting. Mr. Tilton treated Mes, Weoadlull very alfectionately, and it was his common hahit to put his ann around her, 8ho had heard Mrs, Woenl- hull talk of Mr, ‘Lilton's bocoming tho head of tha Spirftualists, Parhaps the wost veinarkablo portion of Mis, Pulmer’s testitnony wua In referencoon conversation which sho had hoard between Mrs, Woodhull and Mr. Tillon about the senwdal. On that ocension Mr., Tilton had told Mra, Woodkail that his wife wan as puro us snow, and that the scans dul wng ol true. The cross-examination of Mrs, Palmea was con- ductod by Mz Beach, who was somewliat taken aback when, having asked a question relative to lier husband's business, sho tutned to Judgn Netlson and appealed {0 tho Court, saying that (hat had no relation to this case, and unless the Court compelled her sho wonld rofuse to answer., “‘That is nok the first timie I huvo beon rofused by o ludy,” suid Mr, Boach, muiling, Sho was obliged (o go on, Tho ecross-oxamination doveloped tho fact that Mra, DPalmer was a medium, sud bad ns- alsted Jier hushand as o clairvoyant by making oxaminations of patlonts, Tho skillful lawyer Tod ber ou until ehio beenmo fnterested in telling about her powers, and the counsel, jurymen, and audience lstoned with lively intevest. Bhe suid she could, when in the proper condition, lo n great tent, read the seorets of uthery' lives—tho acte which they bad doue. She anunounced her Uelief that arvound overy human sonl thero was o band of guardiom apirits, ond that no evil influcnces ean reach that sonl, unless God opens the cordon of suarding &pirits. Sho helioved that 1o human sonl vwas rusponsibla for its acts, except that it would bo respousible if it did nat pray tor the Divino ussistanco thut conld be had for the asking, Mr, Boach smiled when the wilness aunounced that sho saw a splrit standing near bim, “I18 it o good or u bad one, fnn Ishould like to know 1” ho nsked. Bhe roplicd thut it was a young lady =his dnuehter, “Wall, Pvo had ono of thut kind,” replied the Iawyes, Lis faco redidening. M, Pulmer went on to give ber viows ahont mar- ridgo aud divoree, Sho said she was not o free lover, but belioved that when w masried wun and woman found that they wero tofally incompatible, and conldn’t posaibly live happily togetber they shotld bo divoreed. Tho witness proceeded ab great lenglh to explain ker peculiar ideas of spitilualism and religion, and talked! vo earnéstly that her auditors il closo atiention, Sho in- sisted ou tolling what alio knew kb herown way, and could not bo made te entenglo harsolf in eonlradic- tione. Bho yepeated In gubstuntlally tho _samo language what sbhe “had beforo” said sbout The Goldem dge, aud tho relations of Mr. Til- tan and Mrs, Woodhull. Sho adimitted that Mr ‘Tilton’s fumiliaritics with Mrs, Woodhull must iave Tieen seon Ly Col. Blood snd Stephien Yearl Androws, sinco they were neither open nor concealed. Sho said sho bedieved in tho God of the Christiens and in ths Lord Jesns Christ, although she hiclil somo po- culinr viewa ubout the relation of the kitter to the Fathor, Near tho closo of the session, Benjamin F. Tracy wns colled and sworn a8 a witness for the defenso, His exsuiuation, conducted by Mr, Evarts, had pro- ceeded only o littlo way, when tho Court adjourned until 11 o, m. to-ilay, ut the request of Mr. Beach, who will not ho present to-day, und who wished to conenlt with Mr. T'ullertou iu velation to the cross- oxaminntion of Nr, Truey, ——— THR PROOCEEDINGS—VIERBATINM, el ey SAMUBL D, PARTRIDGE RECALLED, The Court met at 11 . m., pwsnant to’ ad- fournment. Butnucl D, Partridge was reealled aud hly crosscxam. inatlun resnmed. Br. Boocli—Mr, Partrldge, on your examination tho othier duy you spokoof @ ¢check which was banded to you— The Witness [rialng]—Will yon excusomat I wishto ct & mistuke that I full Pito, as 1 understand, on Judge Netlson—Sit down, Mr, Partrldge. Make your correctlon, Bir, Tho Witneas—As I underatand, Iatated that I helleved thatlt was in 36725 Tahould bave aufd 1871, [don't know how—Lwust bavo misappreliended tho question, [ think, A Juror—We ean't tiear, Mr. Jeaoh—Tto aubstuuce ta: “As T winterstand, 1 stated on Friday that 16 wils In 1872 it wasin 1871, I must havo tafsunderntood ¢ho questlon.” Tho Witness—~Eho publication ot the blography was the attor, € think, Mr. Bhenrmun—Tho publieation of (ko “Life of Mrs, Woodhnl," — TIT, APPEARANCE OF TIE BOWEN CNECK, Mr, Beach—When you were esamined bofore, Mr, Partridge, yon spake of n chieck which was handod 10 you ng the casliler of tho lirm of Woodinff & Mublnaon } A. Yoo, Bir, Q. What was tho amount of that check? A, $7,000, 1t Trerollect rights Q. Who drew it1 A, It wan slhymed, I think, by 11, C. Bowen—Mrv, Bowen'a choek, 1 thluk, Q. Youkuew Mr, Bowen, didn't you?d T knew Wl by wight, 8lv; L hadu' any acquuintates with him, Q. You Lnew him very well by reputationd A, Yes, #lr, Q. Cun you recolleet the precise form of tho algnatured A, 1da not, Bir, Q. You think it was 1L C. Tlowen 1 A, Tt way iho samo chicek think was handed to 1o tho otber duy, und erodited to M, Iowen, Q. Idldu't ask youthat. A, T thiuk (hat was the chieck, Q. What? A, I don't vecolleet that L loled Jurtlens larly at the slgmature, Q. Credited, did you say, to My, Iemy ¢, Bowen? A, 1t wua oredited to Mr. Tilton, Q. You satd to Ienry ¢, Rowon a moment agot A, well, Imado p mistuko, ¢ : Q. Madonmlstuked And it was payable to My, Tilton, youray? A. Thutlsae I undorstuad it; yos, Sir, Q. Well, uro you quito Auts of that, or whother it was indorsed over to 3Ir Tilton? A, Mr. Tiiton wus un in- dorser on ft. Q. Well, wua bo the firzt indoracrt A, T would not bo sure, Sir, Q. Whatt A, [ won't Lo aure Jiow thut wadj 1 Adu't Jook attentively ot that pavt of 1t the othe) duy, It wlght huve heen druwn by someldy elso to the ordey of Mr. Bowen; T could not iy certatus 1 dow’t romeme bers £ Mr, Evarta—3r, Partrldge, T think yon wity find i, pere hiap, couvenlent 1o epruk u Il londer vihon you know thut tho Jury ennuot understund you. ‘Tho Witness—Yus, Bir. Mr, Denwh—Do you recgllect how the chock was Ju- dorsed? A. Iracollect thut Mr. Tlton wus an Indorser on it, and Woolruff & Robiuson word Indovsera on it; ag 10 uny othor—thers wny Luve boew uuo uthur, but § o't rowember who it was, Q Was 1t ludoraed by Wootu®d & Rabinzon whon it was preecnted to youl A Nu, wot when b waa presentod ‘llo moj it wus when Bwas presented (oo the other ay, Q. No,go; when it was origlually handed 10 yon, wos it ludorsed by Woodiuft& Robiuson 1 A, No, [thiuy - t. Did you seo that fudorscment put wponthoy .. | A Leouldu't teld you whether © did or ol ¢ 0 . Nt . Q. Wait a moment, i, When youanswee my q. - easostop, And you put thy cheek, { underating, . 1 v drawerl A, Tald. Q. Aud thers'wero two apartucnts in the diawer ! A, ‘There Welo more upartmenta (han Q. Well, thers wers twol A. The front Pavt of 41 ! cam 7 e e vaa not bacle part of it was not divided ; thero wero two In that sense. Q. And tha eheele, Tundarstand, you put In the front apurtment of the drawert A, Viw, Klr, THE SIAPE IN WHICH THE CHECIK AND YEL- LOW PAPER CAME, Q. And thisyellow paper You putin the haek noetlon of thadeawer? A, Inthe bace portion § that Ie, oeenrding to 1ny recolloction. Q. Wers the two papers, thie uttaehed fogethier in any fozn whs As Lidow't scealleet, Bir, whether they wesn of not, Q. Dui't recollect Ghether they were or not. Well, ean't you recallcot, Blr, whitler they csme to you an- nexed, and that you undertook to separato thent AT donot; [ know that th ‘4l to e at the camo time. Q. That ain't the question [ put to you. A, Aud by the Aamo hund. Q. Walt one mament, #ir, The grertlon T put to you woa whether you ean not recolleet whether or not these pa pors eamno to you aunvxed, and that you assumod Lo seps urats them 1 A, T dun't retaerolhor, Q. I chieek with a memorandum catas to you In your bustneas, did yon nssumo tho anthority to scparate then ! Ao Ddowt remember 1y W8 matter whether—anything how they catue, relutive to cuch other, cxeept thot thoy were handed ty me nt the same tiue, Q. You are not now, Blr, auswyering wy question, and Thee yeu to conflne your attention to the question [ pnt to yoi, T ask you whether, as the ceehier of o business firm, when n check como Into your hyuda with o memo- rundumn attached to §t, you, us cashilcr, would azaumne, without diree 10 sepurate thew and put them apart ‘A, Ddon'trecotiect, 8, Uil uny such occurrence over bappened. Q. Would yon eonsliler It tn the }ina of your duty to do Umtt A, shiould considor—It woulin't bo expectod if o thing eame rttnched to a eheek that T should deposlt that, nnlesa it wan a part of the ehncl, Bir. Beach [toths Cunrt] =1 don't know, Elr, a9 to this witnees, whetlier e pucposely avalls answering my question, and answers matters which are not pertinent or responslve, but I assume, If your Honor please, that T Lve & right to axit lustractions fxom your Ionor to him, that be aliould answer the question I put to him, Judge Nollson —Mr. Pactrhize, the duty af the witness s toattend to the very questfou put, sad wnawer it ag elosely amd directly as pout cun. The Witness—I will do w, your Monor. Judgo Nallsou~When you cannot auswer it, eay you cannot, Mr, Beach—~Please attend, theu, to (hiks question, The Witness~T will, Sir. Q. When you, us the eashierol that firm, recetved & eheck with s memotanduin sunexed to it, wouid you con- vetveitinthe Han ot your duty to separato thoro two papers und plaes th apart? A, Well, 8ir, fan't It proper fov me to say that I lave no seeollection that any such oceurrencs ever happsnwd, uad Low cun 3 tell how 1 shiould net | Q. You eannot tell how you should act? A, It no such thing aver Lappened—— €. You could not You have no scnso of bLuslness propriety and duty, then? A, if L— Q. Tam uaklng you, 8ir, whether, ns o bustness man, aud trusted easliler of o ficm, whena clieek came to you With a mesmoramlnm antiesed 101t from & partnor of the flem, yon would cousiler it yowr provines to separute thoge Lve papers und gut e apart ] A, Well, T don't know, 8ir, Q. Yundon't know whethet you would conglder it your dutyornoll A, §don't Luoy Q. Dld you dn that on this veension, with this eheck and memorandmin 1 A, Tdon't tessber whother they came planed togethor—fastoncd tegeibier, ovuot 3 ¥ dou't remembier, Q. Well, Mr, Paritlidge, refre<ling yonr recoltection by your senss of dity and your practice, cannot you say whether or not they were attachied when they cane to your bandgl A, Leannot, Blr; §den'y remeuber, « Q. Well, 8ir, gon put the check in the frout apartment of tho drawer, uril the memorandum in the back part of, thodenwerd A, Yes, 8ir; they wern aeparate then. Q. Whit? A, They were separato then, ut that tme. Q. Well, L sliould supposn a0, 8lr. {Taughier.) Tt lsnot reesdnry that son shanld swear to it How long Al the muin where you plitced it in the fove part of tho wert A, Well, Tahink that Ldeposited that the same day, Bir, Q. Yom think you deposited tLat tho samo day? A. T think Fald, Q. Cannot you tell by referenve to your hooks? AT cnn ba pretty well aatistied. Q. From un exatolvatlon of tho hanks3 A, From on oxamination of the bauk buok, and see It T deposited the #7,000 clieck that day. Iils not Hiely I hnd moro thau sw papor and the check, on recelved thent ona, 3. Wall, 15 thero nny memorandum upon your hooka by which you ean tell upen what doy you veceived tho chenkl A, Yes, Kir, Q. What1 A, [enn, Q. Have youexamined thom? A. T have; I looked. Q. Whati A, Tdid. Q. Can you toli, then, from thal examination of the en- tries upon the hook Whea you recelved 11 A, On the 3th day of Apri}, I £ recolleet right, Q. On the Gl thay of Apsity A, 1872, 1 think, Q. Dothe buoks eo declured A, 1 thiuk so, Q. You think so, A, It has heen somo tima—— Q. fluve you any Mection whethor or not you aid dopostt 1t on the d4y you recelvnd §t; have you now any preseut recollectiun of (hat clreumstanced A, Without referenca to the book T caunot tell you, 8ir, Q. You vould not tali No, Sir, A TMISTORY OF THE YELLOW PAPER, Q. How long did this picea of yellow paper romalu tn the baels apartentof the drawer before you tagk It and gt it In your pocket-buok 1 A, It §5 fnnpasst- W10 for mo to Aoy exactly, List Tshould think not o great white, Q. Well, two ar threo days oru week, How longt A, Wall, Ienunot tell, Q Elrl A, According to>-the Impression that I havo In— Q. Just answer my queation. A, T will. 3Mr, Evarts—ilo s, Mr, Beachi—No, ho 13 not answorlng, M. Evarts—According to his lmpression, Iin says, Mr. Beaeh—Yos, According to yonr reeollection now wany duys—wiat length of timo dlit this paper remuln in the back apurtwent hofore you ook it out and put it in your pocket-hook? A, ¥ aloull thiuk not s great while; but I enunot b expliclt as to that, Q Accordiug to tha est of your recallectlan how long As According to the hest of wy recollection T hod that o wy pocket, Tslionld (hink, two or throo years. Q. Wolly that Is very pertiaent to sometldug T may ask youhy uwl by, A, Well, Loannot say, Q. Do you unvlerstand my questlon, Sied A, It Tunder- atand your question, you wish 100 to say how muny dayn, or perctsely how long that lay fn e bacl part of the drawer before 1 pnt ¢ futo my poeket § Q. Yew, 8lt, Fald nat suy “precisels,” hat T eald ac- cordlng to the best o your recolleetlon. A, Well, T dou't recolleot. Q. Now, yau seem to nnderstand the questlon; wiil you answer it A, 1 den't recollect, Q. Tell o, acconding to the beat of your fmpression, A, Tho Liest of my rocolleotion 14-the best ot my hupres- slon Ia thut Teanttot (oll oxuotly wlat thue it was, Q. Idiadu't aek you to tell wo vxnelly, A, T eaunot tell you; Ihave na eriterlon by whieh | ean recalleet, Q. Aecording to the hest of your recollection, a1 1t remain In the back drawer s week betoro you took it out i A, T eould pot fell yon, Bir. Q. Whati A Tcoull not say certaluly ; Tahould think 1t did, however, Q Well, two weelkat &, Teould not tell you, Blr, how long; it did not-remuin a great while, Q. Well, yon havo safd you showld think longer than a week? A, Yes, 8ir, Q How with vegurd to two weeal A, X could not tell !l , what do you think about It} A, Y have no tlon nbont it, , you think It remaincd tharo longor thau & wedks how mueh longer than & weels, should you thiok | A, eould nat toll you, 8ir, Q. Why, It you think it vomained there longer than a weok, y0U ikint Bnve somo fmprsslon ubous 11 A, The only Impeossion that I have about it is tuat it aid not remtaln there u great while, Q. Then you took it out, folded it up, and put it {n your pocket-houkd A, T put it In my pocket; yes, 8ir, Q. Do yon wmember how muny thues you folded it ¢ AuNo, 8ir; [do not; T don't remember, It i folded; I don't rerember uuything about that matter, Q What? A, 118 folded now; It was folded when I Pt it in y pocket-houl, [ aveslght good enough to see whether the Dol 0. e vook aud the paper correspond, pluclug those ps s boles tocether T A, T eun’t sea tho pla oles, Q. CaJisee o ofnbolest A, No, Bir, Co il et ocket-book In whilch you kept (61 A, Slng his pocket-book]—There, if T Lept I thut compartuicnt, W o kept it thore; dow't tear it Wit s WLy tave the buduess to fold ft; I o, 'UESDAY, APRIL 27, 1875—~TRIPLE SHEE' [Folding paper and hawding It to witness, who trlod 1n pulitin the pocket-hook.] Well, that fa enoughs you needn't put it e, Then yon fotded it twiced A, T don't recolleet, Q. What! A, T don't recollect angthing about it; t dan't, recallect, Q. Well, you must have folded It thieo Umes, There 1t 145 younco it, dont you s A, Folded 1t 80 1t would goln there, 11, you folded 1t three times, d1d you not? A, Do peet T ogecollcet foom that thmo notl now how tnuarg thnes T folded that pleco of paper, 08 though £ had uothing elas to think oty . Q. Well, there 1n i pueket-hook, there 1a the paper. Yon £ how It 13 fulded to go 4o there, and Fon ren it won't go in without foliing, don't yon 1 Mr. Evarta—~Tnat [s reasoning; not memory, Mr. Beach—I ask Bfin to look at h1s paper and tel me :m\‘;'lmu Umies e folded 16 1o putit Into this porket- houk. The Witne-s~T ean’t to]l you nnything ahaut it Q- No; but toking at tho prper and your g ant making the nxperluont, you ean tell enn tell— Q. Canyontall) Fi-ant tn getlton the record, A, You can get it on the record aa s00n fa you pleas put It intomy packet-took, Q. Vou tako thnt paper with your pocket-hook and tell o Mow muny times gon folded it to get it Into yonr pocketlool ! A, Well, it requires the folding that ¢ hus BOW 10 et b thera, EIQA Tirat 18 threo fuldtugs, Ian't it1 A, Well, I can't see, r. Q. Lokt It—yes, you con seo that; Iknaw hetter) A. That 1 one—= Q- That 1a ane, a4 that two, and that three—that makes three, docen't 1t A, Well, T don't sce throe—unleen two, three, ong, aln't It, to fold WL this way1 A, Ob, yes, hank, A, We'l, jou il that another, Q. How long dld you earry 1t In Four packet-hook 1 A Well, £ the tiwe 1 gt 16 16t0 3t unth the other duy, 10wy pocketbynk, = another, aud that s anotlerY A, Thatls i TO WHOM TS YELLOW PAPER WAS STIOWN, i Q. Dl you have it oub at any timed A, I ave. Q. How wany times? A. T could not toll you how many times, Q. When did you firat have it out? A. Idon't recole Ieet ot ever showlng thint— Q. Walt nnoment; when did yon first bava 1t out ne- cording to your recolluetion A can't tell you, Eir, only— Lcan el you that eince a particular timi Mr. Lvarts. That Is, taking it out, showlng it. wh1:dvn't ask bim zbout showlug 1t to any- ¢ Withess ~Oh | I lavo no recollnction of ever taling That out untii £ ool it ot to s it 1o someboily. Q Wetl, when dld you tiest take it out to shiow to somes body,thent A, 1t was eince~I havn no recollection of ever thawing that to any vne wuli) sinco theso stato- ents, Q fince whit atutements? A. Well, ftatements that laat Sanumer, I think, Q. Thatls tho first timethat you tockit ontt A, 1 fon of taking it out— Q. T whotu did you first show it A. Tconld not tell 1. Q. Whals the first parson fhat you reocllect that you alio ittot A, Tehonld thin® thut the fiest persons 1 showed it to wers fudividaals in onr own family, Q Wull, whot A In our own fawmlly~in my own tamily, QW whot Whot A. My wife, or my ehlidren, or hoth, periaps, ut tho aanie tno; 1 don't know— Well, I wnndto know whom you recolleet ilrst to fttol AL T den’t recolleet who I did flrat liave sh Bhow 1t to, Q. Well, wha do yon reenllot of evershowing it toy A, Lreeollect of showliyzs it In my family ; I recolleet of slhow ng it t & gentieninn by 1he vame of Clark. Q. Where decs e reefdo? A, IHe reeldes in Northe vupton, Q. What fe Uts fall nnrwo 1 A, His fall nawe i1 think 1t 14 Jostal, Sir, Q When wasthat 1 A, That was last Winter, Q. Well, who el<o do you remeniber showlng it fo1 A, T remendier stawing it to Mr. Albert Woodruff, Q. Aliert Weudmitft Ay Yes, i, Q- Whois tinl A, e ds Mr. Alhert WoodmifT; ho was formesly 4 mewher o1 the flrm of A, Woodruff & Rohin- 0D, Q. Warlie & memhnr al the thina you showed the paper tahim T A, Nu, SIr; he wis not, Q Whiraw e when you showed 1t to bim? A T was nt hls e, Slr, Q. Whore A, Tn Stater Q I klaciiy ) A, Yeu Q. When wiy that do you thik b A, 1 should think that woxnui more than 10 days ago, of a fortuight, per- kaps; that twun recently ) ———e THE YOLLOW PAPER KEPT AS A CURIOSITY, Q. Now, in the month of April, 1872; were you porsonslly aequainied with Me. Titont A. Ibad seent hlin sepentnlly; I never had auy ncquaintauce With AMr. Tilton; [ Lnow llm well by sight, Q. Well, st that tine did you kuow nnything about the ditleulties betwveen Mr. filton and Mr. Bowen? A, 1 Xnew, previous to this, that Me. Moulton, wod 1 think M. Tilton was with him, camo to 6 ane day— Q. No,no; L am not asklag about that. A, Tam tell- Ing all 1 know about. 17, I that I what you want. Q. Well, Ldou't want It all 3 it would be & busden to mo tocarry It I am ssking you 1f, at tho tins thls check was Waded to you, you were acquainted with the din culties hetween Mr. dtonlton and Me, Tliton—Mr., Tilton and Mr. Bawen, T meant A, AU that T knew—that I recollect that 1 knew ot the timo that Treecived this elieck, was thit I Iad been Informed tlue Mr. Tilton, on Lfs way to seo Mr. Bowen, had sowmo paper printed in typo; that Lo was golizs to heo My, Bowen and stiow it to him and 1ell Dtin that o minst sottle with him, or pay him some money or somcthing or other, or ke should publish that; that s all that I knew ubuit it up to that e, Q. And that yon hnd heard from ofher particsy A, Thut [ hud beard from othes parties; yes, Br, Q. Atiho thne you 100k out this yellow paper and put It In your pocket-book, had you heard anything wore abant it1 1 bud not heavd anything more. Q. Hudu't heard anything mored A, Thatls all that — Q. Now, when dld you firat communteate to any person that you had this puper 1 A, Well, € told you ! did not re- wember when—— Q. What! A, Since—Tdon't (hiuk Tever mentioned it toany wno untll slnen—— Q. Thoze Statements Ilast Summer? Yes, Rir, thosa atatements; Labink it was, us I wentioned, sluce those statements, Q. Were there any other checks In that drawer ot the timo you put thess papers in it1 A, I presume thero were, hut that by & mero matter of guessing; Idon't ro- memhier avything about i thers generally wus checks there, Q. You dil not attach those papers together with a pind A [uever did—not to my reeollection I hiave ne recolloetion af_ever avythlug abuut plus or plunivg in connection with it. Q. Ifavo you no fdea how thoso pin-boles got 1o there ) A. Nog not the lenst in the warld, Sir, Q. Laast In tho world§ A, Dou't know anything ubout ft; §don’t recollect auything about it, Q. DId you communicato to any member of that firm thut you hud taken this puper from their deawer und put it fu your pockethook 1 A. Not at that time that I kuow of; no, Lncver did, Q Youneverdid? A, Yprosume I nover did. Q. Noj did you think it perfectly proper to take & paper of that kind and uppropriute it to your private use) A, T had s right, Bir, to Infor that that paper came futo my possession t0 Le taken care of, aud I did take caro of it. Q. And thut wus— A, Inmy oustody—- Q. Aud that was the ubject of putting it In your pockot- booki A, My olject— . ' Q. Wasthat your ulject? A, I have no recolicetion— Q. Waa ttat your objeot T A, Whatt % Q. You suy thut you presumed when this paper came 1nto-your poasesslon {t wus your duty to tuke careof itf A, Tl not gy 805 T sald thut I had o right to Infer, Q. Well, you had a xight to infer; did you jufer thatt A, Ldon't recotloct that T dity I don't yecollect thut 1 aeted nt nll from that motive; Irecolloct only ono thing thut induced o to do it. Q. Youdidn't tuko it, thon, to preserve it} A, Whati Q. Youdut not tuke it then fur tho purposs of tuliug caro of it, or preservivg It A, Tdo not think I hud that 1wy wlud nt ull; it wos u sort of ourlosity, I thought, eonnecied with that transactiou; I never attuched wuch courequenco to it at tho thae, thut I recollect, Q. You did not attach wuch consequenco to It at the tnol A, Thut Lrecollect; Tdon't recollect that [ looked at 1t hu uny other Ught thun us o sort of curlosity, Q. Don't recollect that you looked at 1t ju uny other Nht (hun as o sort of curlosity T A, At that time. Q. At that timoe? A, At that thue—~uand thero wus only ouu word that utlracted my attention then, particululy. Q. Tuat wus “spolls,” 1 supposo! A. That wus spolls.” z Brooliyn, new friends ;" the “new " In underscored, you Dpereelyed A Yo, Kir, Q. Did yon know to wham that referredd A Taid not. 4 “For the emtelment old;” tha *old" js under. reotud alen, A, L did not unidarscoro it, Ng.ET;vln W not underatund what that referred tol A. Q- Yo were eurlons about 1t1 A, T was carlous ; all th curloslty I tind wna withh the “spollay” tho word *'Epulia feemed to retur to the chieck, Q. Well, did you evar tatg any menns o satisfy yonr cnrdadlty exeept to hald on to the paper! A, Noj I did notears pacticularls atont it, Q Bit yudt wero etirione, and & enrlons person dons care about the obect! A, Awna mny have neuriosity s poreeenlon and not ealubit it all the tuno—not every day, Q. Well, 2 yon aver make any effn HELS curlosity? A, Not the Jeast. 4 0 Batheis 70 Q. And you never adiicssed any nerson conneeted with the eetalllalunent of Woodsewff & Robluson to Bscertain what this paper seantt A, 1 told une of the rin— Q. DI you ever aliow this paper, or consule efther of tho persons! A, I hnve no recolicetion of ever dulug 1, Q. No reenltection that yon ever did1 Mr. Porter~TLe Jury wagt to know what e s34 lnat, Mr. Beac—{fo sl hio naver did—nover conaulted any member of the Orm ahont It The Witness~That { rocoflect, Q. Bo faraa yon Liuow, dkin't the firm know that that paper existed) A, 1tol2onun? thein that such a paper as that eatna with that chack, Q- Who was that! A, Jeremiah P, Roblnson; It 1t ::M at a very cowpatalively recent duto; mot 6t that wme. Q. At what timo was that) A, Well, I should thigk 1t w18 two or threw week ago, Q. Abaut two ar thize weeks nca—did you ahow it tn lll'llu thent A, Cdon't recolleet thut 1dd, Eir; Itbink I did not, — THE COSYERSATION ABOUT TILYON AND YIRITUALISTS, Q. Norw, on Friduy, Sir, when the Court ad- Jouraed, wo wers 67 aklog of & couverantivn sou hud Moultou; you now change the thioe of that tUon flom 1572 to 15711 A, Tu tho Fall of 1871; yem, Sir, Q. Have yon canverzed with any one upon the sulject of when it wna since Fou wero upws the stund, Lridoy ) A T knnw— Q. Muve you converted with any ond the time, Kince you wers on the stund lust »tated at our tahlc— y Q. Havo you conteraed with any ono; will you anawer mel A, Yes, 8ir, T huyo. Q. Whomt A, Witk my tamily, Q. Withanybody vlse I A. Idon'trecollect that T have. Q. Well, try and recolleet; T gness you will rempember sumo onnelze, A, T spoke with Dr. Bacon tuls wornlng about it In regard to Tlay i AT eony Al Yes U kpoke a with anyons rles alwutity A, golng away—in gulag out from the court that day I paaned ulong with Mr, Hille—— Q. Anl A, [Continung]—ond sumething was tald avont the 1572, Q. Yes, A, But it was in conneetion with—— YOI oV anniwersd mes now stop, Now, you Ml In scgard to your al thiues, baven's youd Al Ldon't recol- Tect that T have, Sir, Q. What,EIel A, Tdon't rocollect that Thave, 8ir, Q. Defore you were first up upon the etand, hudn't you been In consultation with him1 A. T don't recollect of having any consultation with Mr. Hill but once, and then not at—I don’t kuow that I ever saw Mg, Il until Friday momning, Q Well, which of th., connsel consulted with yon fn rogand to Four tastineny hefoze Yot ware put upon the stand ! A, I talleed with Mr, ehearman, Q. With Mr, Bleunmunt A. My Slearman and—and with 3r, Eliearnun’s purtuer, i ious to talking with Mr. Shearman, Q. Well, 8ir, we have g: that canversatiat now Inea in the Fall 0F 18713 Suu ure now eertatm of the time ain't youl A, Tuuderstand—I have mnleratood— Q. No,no; Ldon't want that 1 A. Welt, I am saliated 1010y awn sind that that 14 the thue; yes, Sir, Q. Yee, you nre eatisfieil In your uwen mlin, 50 that yon are veasonably certaln of the tbuel A, I uw savistied in 1wy own mind, Q. DIl you evir have mare than nne convrraation with M. Moulton In regnrd to the Woodbuil pibliention, or tu reganl to Mr. Titon? A, Tdo not recollecy of ita over occupylng auy atientlon between us, except on that thine, . On thut one vecaslon; and that Is the ualy timo you converred upon this subject—~this general subject—at all with hfiot A, What general subjoct do you mean t Q. Lhe g it sulecs of the Woodnd publieation and of this senndal and ditdeulty ) A, Of that publieation [ do not recolleet wver baving any conversativn with ki but one, Q. Well, do you recolloct of having any eonversation with him, exeept upon that ocearfon, with referenco to this Aulendty, general seawcdal, aud 1t so, when vhere was 1t1 A, Well, now, you will uxeuso e fur Q. Haven't orstaud whis you would have e suswer, W Sieaninn=T eannot hear what you ni Mr. Deach—Hu wanited 16 tu oxctise I for asking mo 10 ho wore preclse; bu cowdd not understand, [To tho wituesw] Well, soit understand the general nature of this diieully between Mr, Luton and Mi, Beecher s A, Q Nuw, do yon recolicet ot having any oftier conversa- tlon than tho vue yor epoke of with Mr. Moalton, either alon or In Proeetco of uny other party, whon the ex- pressiun was uade uso of that tho Spirltunlists wery wore numerous than tho Covgregntivuaiiats of tho conntry 1 A, Lhave not, Q. Don't recoltect bue thia one occaslont Al Irecall hat I had beard thut oxpresston—— Q. No,uo. A (Contiouing.] A short tinte boforo that, Q. Won't o stop when Ltk you,Sir. Do kind enoug] Ttreat you courteotely and 1 bope you will me. A, Ex- cuse e, Judge Nellson—You must listen to the aquestlon and augwer tho question, It you cannot rememier, say yon don't remember, and let that be the ead of cach questlon. The Witneas—Well, B, Mr, Beach~Now, iny question to you, Sir, is whether you receolteet of any conversation besidos the one you have wentioned, with Mr, Moulton, o 1n the presenco of any person, between you aud Mr. Moultou, when thnt oxpreesion, or aubstantlally (hat expresslon, wos used, that the Eplittuulists wero Wwore numerous than the Con- gregailonntists of tho conutry I A, You usk we If Tun- derstand=1f T had any conversation, or heard nnything from Mr, Monlton ar e any other oue ! Q. No,no; from Moulten, A, Frow Moulton; that is tho ouly thwe thut 1 recollect, Q. That Is the only timel Now, will you swear that Afr, Frauklin Woodr il was not present st the conversds Uon to which you allude when that very oxpression wus used 1 Ao Franklin Woodrft told o n— Q. Walt ono moment. Will you awear that Franklin Woodmtt' waa not present at that conversativn batween you und Moulton to which you ailude, whon that ox- 3 N 4 Q. Ta yonr reqnltection sufficlent to ennhla {hnt there was no other conversation 1 A, uf?:ufi?m?n’r 0 eay (hut T don'y, reeollent any mare, Q Yol den't angwer iy question. A, 1o, 8ir, to 1he st that [ posibly oan nnswer it, s ; Q. Bon't you recogniza tho difforeneo elween roco?- "l:.rll‘"uvwlml ® converrption was and recollueting that u 0 W8 A conversation, na & scnsiblo twm § A, Twas 10t a%aTe that you bad sonin thns dintinetlon, luwwover, flfl{ ave mado tho distiantion, Birr I asked you rethier your teeniteetlon was auiliclently necurate in ye- £ard to they conversation to enable yon to swear that DOthing more vaa gl than vhat you have repeated § Ao AT that T ean aay gy pop) i f e Tuply Lo thut ds that I don't recole Q. Well, that w0l g, Sir, That 19 1), n0w 1o recolleotion thar, Ar, that conversation? A, Woolmift told no—— _ Q- Wit one moutnt, Blr, wait ono moment—and npon that subject, or upon any Lindied =uljoct connected with thia iithgntion nod scanda), yon taso 1o rocottretion of uving converesd with Ms, Moutean nt uny other Umo ¢ :. H )In\'n.nn recolleetion of ever havitig conversed with 4“ lcrfll.‘:;‘l! ton on the euljuct of this seandal, exeept on ona Q Thlsone accastont A, No, not that ono aceuston : that D nothing to do withs this scpnda), ’ Q. Well, then, you had annther conve atlon with Mr, Moulton npon annthar oceaston Al 1 did, Q When was that 1 A. T ahiould think timt was ahons two seacn before J lett the oflice. Q. Well, when did yon leava the oMcot A, 1 1ot the oMo the 31st day of lust Decembor, € Well, then, that was In 13721 A, Woll, 1 shauld }‘I:Irl:lkn:,!“luul.luu)mr i Teould not give you the partlou- @ Well, that 1 not the conversation yon wlhnded ta; when this expresstan of Mout the Eptritaallsts aud the Congregationaliats wus nsed? A, No, §ir, A, Didyon ke uny weworandum of that convérss- tion t A, No, ir, Mr. Evarta—\What eonvermation 1 . Beach—~Why, the one fu avi dence, of vauren; it 1a ho ouly one [ have hieen luy abont. When did you :lnt Tepeat that conversation? L. T could not tel) you, Elr. Q. When o you first tecolleet of repeatingiry A, wen, Ldon't recollect when Tdld first rpeat it Q. Well, you st recollect the time when yan fimt recollectitt A, 1havorepeated ita great miny Utiee, and I could not tell yon whew I repeatod It flrst; T have repantod 1t goveral thinea, Q. Tha flrst thnt you recollect, T ask yous A. wu, 1 could not tell you, Q. Why, you can fell mo the first (hut you mealiact, can't yon! Al I caunot ut thla moment tal you any thue, exeept when T repeuted It ta oounscl, but I huve ro- peated it a good many thnes hefors that. Q Well, I want to know 34 nsar na you ean e, when Fou first reprated it A, T conld nat teil, but shyee— it must have been slace theso statements 1nul Biummer, Q. On1 eluce those statements last Bummer ; that wilt do, Bir; that £y the Mzt time you repeated 161 A, § don's recalloct Q- Towkom ‘2 gou ropeat 11 A, Ieowd not foll you. Q. Can you mention saxo ono person? A. Ieandd unt mention any o that fee Q. Laaked you, £ir, to name to me one nerkon to swhom yourrpeated this conversation) A, Well, T think, 8ir, Istatod §s to that enmo gentleman in Northampton, r. Clark, and T think one other gentloman in Northampton, Mr. Hubbard, and [— Q. And do you reeolleet any others—recoltect any one In this vieinlty or ncigbborhoont A. & think 144 to Afr, Allert Woodzull, Q. And that was within two or threo weeks! A. Thut was with!n a short tinie ; yes, Sir. Q. Well, you have Ko dovhe about that, have you—yar tuve nn duht ahont hoviag repented It to 3r, Albert Woultutf, have yout &, Idon't think that 1 nced donlt ft— Q. Well, have raut [ doa't know whethor son need uave or ng youuny doubt about 161 A, ¥ would not say eertuiniy whother T did or not 3 T bk T il Q Well, uan ono in this viclnlty to whom yon wre certafl that yuu repeated it before you Al (o connsed upon this toall A I sepeated 1 recollcet, to 2i0yes, 1 Womdzofl' & Robintoi's olilee—Capt. Nuyen, Q. Capt. 31 A, Yoo, 91, Q. A single quertion, dir, dy ull that T Foutorthior. When this cheek and yethor was landed to you, were any ins by e porsan who give then to not r2eullvet wny partientnr langige wa Do you reewlleet ang lustiuetlons fn regaed to them SHven Lo sou by uny petzon conuceted with tie iy A, Well, 1t {3 unt proper for mioto ay thet 1 Luven't any Anil yon bava Woretaft participated in ob o that conversation s Mr, Opasn to aak motandum Klven to you oL on--1 e donbt but what £ veas told fo excdit 1t to M1, Tilton, . No, [don't sk yon that 5 Task w Ther uny instines tlons wero given to youi A, Vuless 2073 mich it pure tions au tLat, Q. Do you recnllect any instruetions ghen toyouy A, Not poeitvely, Q. Do you revoilect at all nuy nstructions ghyen to you at the thne tho papers wore handed youl A, 1 coubd not say that L ean recolleet nuspthlng thut Mr. Woudraf? ankl £t the tme, Ay Beash =Vell, that wilkcover i, T think, RE-DIRL EXAMINATION OF TRIDGE, Mr. Evarts—You are a gentlemun of lilerad MEL Palte cduenttand A, Fam o _sudiate. Q Of A} 8, Yew, Slr, Q. Aud he Been cdueated o the profussion of the Jaw ) A, Yes, S) Q. Now, 14 10 M. Albert Woodrnfl, w0 was hey A, Ho was the senior partaer of the fiem of A, Waadruff & Robinsons T think b went out of the Hrn not far fros the year 1356, hnt § will ot wey positively when, Q. HTu wita an nlder membes of the v thun the Measts, Rablucon who atill ceiuaint A, Yes, Sir, Q. Taho the fallicr of Mr. Franklin Woodentf 1 Blr; be ds s distant conuection—a conshin, Q. You have eald that you think My Twf waa not present at tho conversal Moulten and yoursell, which you have 1o »as not, Q. Do youremember an oceasion In which yun bad & conversatlon with Mr, Fiunklin Woolenitd A, Bhartly before Thad thiy vonversuilen with die. Moulion, Mr, Wondruff told ine— Mr. Beach=N mind, Tho Witness—Tie tolid me—— Mr. Heach—WHL yon stop, Sirt lawyer, The Witness—I omehit uot to bave that brought vp sgatnstie, [Lavghter,) Mr. Evarta~You hud a converastion, Now, in thas convemation with Mr, Franklln Woodratl, which you now recall, was tho subject of Ar. Tilton writlng this Life or tho subject of tho comparutivo numbee of Bpirit- uallata and Congregationallats tn the ¢ountry apuken of § A, Ho sall—— Q Nonmtter what ho aall, Please to aniwer yesor no; was vno of thcse the subjeet of couversation? A, A, N, ranktin Wool- m hutween Mr, ent Al dthink You know; youare s presslon, or substantlully that— A, T don't think he Wis—— Q Rearmy question? A, Well, T have answored it, Q. You say you don't thiuk ho wast A, 1dou't think ho wus. Q. Will yon swear positivoly thatho was nott A, T will not awear positively ; 1 could not tell you what Mr, Woodrafl hus told me u regard to that same thing us coming from Mr. Tilton; he used tho suiue exprosslon cxactly, Q. Oh, wel), now, will you stop, Blrl atopped. Q. What {8 your oljcct In forcing declorations of that kind upon mo) A, Ihuve no particulur olject In forolng the declaration upon you, Slr, 3 Q. Huve you over boon aworn as a wituess befored A, I have not for n great lnuay years. Q. TTave you ever been sworn ns o witnoss beforet A, I have been; not in Now-York, however, Q. Where do you suy this converdation with Mr, Moul- tou was; what part of the storod A, In tho oftico, Q. Now relato the wholo of that conversation? A. T aaid substautlally to My, Moultont %I thiuk Mr. Titon haa done a foollsh thing in wrlting that blogrupby.” Bir. Moultou sald : “* Ho wroto that In order to get tholeadar- sbipof tho Bplritunlista” Isald: “Idid notsuppose they wero &l lontly numorous to mako it an ubject."” Hesalds * Thero arp wore Splritualiste In tuo country than thero sro Congregationullsty,” Q. Well, Is thatull of It 1 A, That 18 tho wholo convor- sution, so fur us I reullect, Q. Now, wusn't 46 Alr, Woodruff that used the expres- A. T have “ston that Mr. Tilten wrote that biogrpby for tho purpose of taking ur oltalutng tho leadership of tho Bpirituatlsts ¢ A. Nu, 8irs Mr, Woodruff—T buyo no—be did not toll we 20 then ; 1 buvo uo rocolloction of his telling mo— Q. Tuw not tulking ubout nny otbor timo, 8ir, How Tonz waa that conversation 1 A, How long ¥ Q. Yos, Blew A, Just us long us I have been speuking. Q. Just long coviagh to utter thoso wordsi A, Nut longer thun that, Q. Not longer than thut—there was no otherespression used b that conversation 1 A, Not that § recollect. Q. Wull, do you recollect suftlcently to say that there . A (g Ono of them wan, Q. Which was thaty A, The compurulive number ot Hpiritualiaty and Congregationatiats. Q. What did Mr, Woodruif any ou that auljcet? Ar, Beach—T devive to lect, Mr, Bvarts~It this ls objected to, T suphuse we ure nos entitled to show thnt, Mr, Shearmun—It was partly culled out on thelr exame Ination, BMr, Tieach—No, 8ir; you are not cozrect, AMr, Evarts—Tdow’t know thot they have prosed any part of thut couversation. Judge Nellson—No, thoy Lave not. Mr, Evarta=Tho witnoas got 50 fur as tosny that he told him something. Afr, Bhearmuu—1f the stonographor will read the exame- tuntion, your 1tonor will flud that Afr, Purtrldge gave s partof that conversation, Judgo Nellson—~It he did 80, 1t waa without the conaent of couuscl, who porsiatently objected, Mr, Bhearman—1f your Honor pleaso, it was just the suwmo us when Mr. Tilton and AMr. Moulton were on the staud; thoy mwade cortaln statementa towhivh Mr, Evarts objectod, but #s ko Ald not move to havo thom stricken from tho record, the atatements were Leld (o be uvidence in tho case. * Judgo Nellson—T do not sco any nsceasity for explaine 1ng any former ruling, but It 1a clear that 1ho counsel was very perslatent in trylug to stop this witncss, Mr, Bhenrmau~It waa precisely the sumo experience ‘with Mr, Evarts, when exawlalng Mz, Tilton; ho was try. ing tostop hiu:, and yet cortaln atatements wers made, ‘which woro allowed to remain becauso there was 1o mo- tlon o atriko them out at tho time. 5 Judge Neltsou—1 do not think that thcse vemarks are called for, ' Ay, Beach~1t your Tonor pleass, 1t 13 an entire mis- statement, unconsclously mads, I have uo doubt, by the connsel; but it is a misropresentation, Judgo Nellson—Tho observations are uncalled for, vefers rlog to any former ruling, which bas no application here, Mr, Beaoh was unusually eager (n stopping this witaess, who, doubtlosy withous any tntentlon, was contioually wandetiog from the question,