The Bismarck Tribune Newspaper, September 14, 1934, Page 8

Coaches Drill Demon, NSMARCK ELEVENS LAUNCH FOOTBALL SCHEDULE TUESDAY ‘itty Candidates Working Out Daily At High School Un- der Demon Mentor .INE AVERAGES 150 POUNDS Neinhover Stresses Signal Drills and Running Game; Backfield Is Fast With only three drill sessions left efore the opening game on the fall ridiron schedule, Coaches Roy Mc- od and Ted Meinhover Thursday rove their charges at the Bismarck nd St. Mary’s schools in long sessions tressing signal drills and blocking nd tackling practice. ‘The two teams clash Tuesday night THE BISMARCK TRIBUNE, FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 1934 St. Mary’s Grid Squads for Opening G ame CIRCLING You FOR #5000, A a 1 the first game of the 1934 season nder the floodlights at Hughes Field. whe game will be called at 8 o'clock. McLeod had his linemen paired off 1 twos for blocking and tackling in- itructions most of Thursday afternoon while the backfield candidates took urns receiving and carrying the ball. At St. Mary's practice field, Mein- over devoted a good share of the pe- jod to signal drill, perfecting the unning game which will be used in he Saints’ attack. The big coach eemed well satisfied with the way his ackfield was responding to a week's mphasis on speed and ball handling. 50 Candidates rt From the 50 candidates reporting aily to McLeod, the Demon mentor “hursday picked two teams and sent hem charging up and down the field a signal practice toward the end of he workout. McLeod felt that the irst string selections in Tuesday's ame would probably give him about 50 pound average in the forward wall. Neff and Wilson, the former a half- ‘ack from last year and the latter a onverted center, have been working ut at the guard positions along with Jick Shafer and Brauer. Harris and 4ipp received the call at the center wsitions when the two teams were ined up. Tackles receiving most attention vere Slattery, Perry, Bailey and Voodland while at the end posts Da- is, Hedstrom, McGuiness and Shultz vere battling for first string posi- ions. In the backfield, George Shafer, Mlofson, Weiness and Beall were tak- ng the halfback berths with Kanz nd Ilchen at full. Sorsdahl and 5urckhart alternated calling signals. Tentative Schedule Given . Masy’s, Guthrie and McDon- turns passing the ball back snd flanking them were Welsh, Litt, Steiner and Pearcey, guards. Hurn- ng. Dolan and Kaiser worked in the ackle positions while at the ends were shultz., Hessinger and Eddie Reff. Behind the line Tommy Lee was jendling the fullback assignment with *isher at the quarterback position. our half-backs, Erickson, Hagen, Le- oy Reff, and Schneider, alternated \t carrying the ball. The tentative schedule of the St. Mary's team includes: Bismarck High School, Sept. 18. Dickinson, Sept. 22, there. Hazen, Sept. 28, there. Linton, Oct. 19, there. Beulah, date not set. Edgeley Coach Drills 1934 Grid Candidates Edgeley, N. D., Sept. 13.—(>)—Al- shough facing a heavy schedule with six southeastern conference contests, Joach C. A. Montagne of Edgeley high school is optimistic about the foot- 2all team’s prospects this season. “We should have as good a team as ‘ast season,” he said. “and may de- velope into a better team as the sea- 30n_ goes along.” Montagne has seven lettermen, six men with some experience, and a aumber of good prospects among new candidates. Lettermen are Charles Swankle, 157 pound halfback; Robert Hall, end; Rollin Gundson, Allan Ogren, tackle; Erland Bloomquist, center; Gordon Poppe, guard; and John Mead, quar- Among other experienced candidates available are Harold Jolin, Glenn Peterson, Myrtle Gunsdon, George Pierce, Kemer Nelson, Sigrud Bivertson. The schedule: Sept. 28, Monango, here; Oct. 5, Lisbon, there; Oct. 12, Ellendale, here; Oct. 19, Enderlin, there; Oct. 26, La Moure, here; Nov. 2, Oakes, here; Nov. 11, La Moure, | Fordham Needs Breaks To Win, Says Crowley New York, Sept. 14.—()—‘Sleepy Jim” Crowley, Fordham university's hard-working football cvach, says the success or failure of his 1934 model is in the lap of the gods. . “If we get the breaks—and we'll meed plenty of. them with St. Mary’s Southern Methodist, Tennessee, West shoulders. % Crowley has a. team he is willing to Provided his first string ean go through the season f a bern, Methodist Nov. 3, Tennes- ste; 10, West Virginia; Purdue; 29, ‘New York University. ; ASS A) veTERAN BEFORE THE BARS GF re 1S LEVELING ON THAT LAWSUIT AGAINST You I-—~SAID HE HAS A LAWYER, AN’ THEYRE TOMAHAWKS FOR#IOE 000 DAMAGES /-—~THEY MIGHT GRAZE TH’ SCALP NEIGHBOR CAN YOU BORROW Ma) YOU WERE SELLING BUT WHAT FEW ONIONS AND TH’ L CHEWED SomE FW J PEANUTS AN . A CLOGGED UP®SAKES HARMONICA, BY TELLING HIM GOLD MINE WITHOUT EVEN A VASE OF GOLDENROD | OUR BOARDING HOUSE By Ahern (4p) LET HIM SUE, EGAD, I KNOW MY BLACKSTONE, CROSS-)__t STUDIED SUING HIM FOR § For Five YOU A ) YEARS To BE A BARRISTER, AND THEN THE BOER WAR CALLED ME TO THE tai i HITS IN 12 INNINGS Cubs Equal St. Louis Gain With 4-2 Triumph Over Brook- lyn Dodgers ROWE WINS 23RD GAME Lefty Gomez Limits Red Men to Three Hits as Yanks De- feat Indians (By the Associated Press) ‘The well-known ablity of the Dean brothers to beat the New York Giants had been demonstrated again Friday and the Cardinals were only 4% games Ross Betting Odds) FARGO-MOORHEAD TWINS DOWN DwindleWithDelay Champion Is 6 to 5 Favorite in Thrice Postponed Cham- pionship Fight New York, Sept. 14—(7)—A sharp op in the betting odds Friday found Barney Ross a narrow 6 to 5 favorite over Jimmy McLarnin for their thrice-postponed 15-round welterweight championship match, to be held, its sponsors most sincerely hope, in Madison Square Garden bow] Saturday night. & Ross was a 9 to 5 favorite a week ago Thursday night when the fight originally was to have been held but these odds have been hammered Clarnin’s flashy gymnasium work- ovts. It was not that Ross appeared to have lost any of his razor-edge condi- tion by the 10-day delay, caused by heavy rains the latter part of last week, but rather that Jimmy seemed | tu have benefitted the more by it. Gophers Favored to Take Big Ten Title Chicago, Sept. 14.—(#)—Five hun- dred or more young men who hope to play @ part in the Big Ten's 1934 foot- hall campaign, will drop whatever they have been doing for the opening day of pre-season practice Saturday. At the same time, Notre Dame's squad of huskies will start out with Elmer Layden on the task of trying to regain the gridiron glory that has been missing for the past two years. To hear a Big Ten coach tell it, the other nine teams look best. When pinned down Thursday at the annual pre-season rules meeting, the other seven coaches decided that Minnesota, Michigan and Towa belonged in a group as favorites for the champion- ship. Dissenting votes were cast by Bernie Bierman of Minnesota, Harry Kipke, coach of Michigan's defending champions, and Ossie Solem of Iowa. Minnesota was the choice of the ex- perts. Bierman will start with 17 let- termen, headed by Francis (Pug) Lund, All-America halfback. Michi- gan, however, has a close second choice, with Iowa not far behind in | down for a week as a result of Mc-|: | Log-Burler King To Defend Title Champion log hurler of Michi- gan, Whitney Alberts is shown here, fit and ready to defend his title at the coming Eden- ville, Mich., lumberjack festi- val, the greatest event of its kind in the country, attended by more than 20,000 in 1933 Alberts. a full-blooded Chip- pewa Indian, will compete with, et least 20 experts in seeking another victory. British manufacturers are produc- ing what is claimed to be the smallest radio tube in the world. It measures only two inches in height, has a range the rating. Wisconsin will depend on new ma- terial, of which Coach Clarence W. Spears has numbers, at least. OUT OUR WAY THAT'S A WE: WHUT'RE YO CLOSE AT ‘WHY, ANYBODY WOULD KNOW FEELIN’ AROUND, AN' LOOKIN’ SO 'T, of 100 miles, and amplifies speech 15 times. At least 100,000 of our relatively close stars outshine the sun. ED! SuRE Te] SUPERIOR, 8-4, TO EVEN SERIES Score All Runs in Last Three Innings of Second Title Play-Off Game Superior, Wis. Sept. 14—()— Charles Suche twirled four hit ball here Thursday and held the Super- ior Blues to four runs while his Far- g0-Moorhead mates were pounding out @ 16-hit attack to even the North- ern League title series with an 8-4 score. After being shut out, the twins be- gan to find the range in the seventh to make a whirlwind eight-run finish in the last three frames. Charles Suche hit a home run over the right field wall in the seventh for the Twins’ first tally. In the eighth, Jerry Kopko started @ rally with a two-base hit that was followed by Koch's circuit clout over the left field wall to count two runs. Davis was relieved by Garletz after he allowed a hit and a walk and the contenders continued their assault with four hits on the Blue's big right hander and forced him to retire in favor of Walter Maslowsi after pitch- ing to four men. Maslowski took the mound with the bases loaded and retired the side without another run. In the ninth Shilling homered over | POs!Pon the left field wall to drive in Cromp- ton ahead of him after the Fargo- yreaabiaaaa catcher had singled. Fights Last Night | SANG: clinch an eV (By The Associated Press) Paris—Obie Walker, 211, Bos- Philadelphia—Lew Massey, 136, Philadelphia, stopped Frankie Marchese, 133, New York, (7). Memphis—Willard Brown, 144, Indianapolis, _outpoint ited = Tiger N. D—Emie Knauf knocked out the latte! Abe Hofer, 145, Lisbon, N. Calif.—Young 136, Los Angeles, knocked out Manuel Pancho Vil- la, 136, Los Angeles, (3). “By Williams | 1 WAS Jus’ MAKIN’ IT WAS'N YOU, DISGUISED AS A_HONEYSUCKLE, TRYNA GET A CLOSE-UP LOOK AT e. HUMMIN' Tw tiams, Tunccusmaron gay behind the National League leaders as the rival clubs entered the’ second game of their series. The younger of the Cards’ pitching pair, Paul, elbowed through 12 inn- ings Thursday to win the series opener 2 to 0, gain his fifth triumph over the world’s champions against a single de- feat and the 10th in 12 games for the femily Dean. The younger Dean recorded one of the season's pitching masterpieces as he granted six hits over the Mara- thon route in a duel with Fat Freddy Fitzsimmons. For 11 innings hits were scarce on both sides and all rallies were flagged down before they got under way. Then in the 12th Joe Medwick went to third on Jim Collins’. base blow and scored the winnng run on Bill DeLancey’s fly to Mel Ott. Ott’s wild heave to the plate allowed Collins to take third and he scored from there on Leo Durocher's single. Bill Walker for the Cards and Hal Schumacher for the Giants were the probable pitching selections Friday. Cubs Beat The Cubs, only other club which has a chance to overhaul the Giants, equalled the St. Louis gain with a 4 to 2 victory over the Brooklyn Dodgers. Guy Bush limited Brooklyn to five hits, losing a shutout tnrough Linus Frey's triple in the ninth. Seven timely blows off Van Mungo Produced the Chicago tallies. The status of the American League race in which the Tigers lead the Yankees by 3% games, remained un- changed as each won after a close call. Lynn Rowe pitched the Tigers to a 2 to 0 decision over Washington, win- ning his 23rd victory with a seven- hit job. Detroit couldn't score off Wally Stewart until the eighth when hits by White, Cochrane and Geh- ringer, with Rowe's sacrifice, did the trick. Lefty Gomez had to limit the In- dians to three hits to give the Yanks @ 3 to 1 victory and incidentally win his 25th triumph. A homer by George Selkirk in the sixth won the ball game. The Athietics-Browns game was tponed. NATIONAL LEAGUE Cubs Down igi Chicago .. 001 003 000— 4 Brooklyn.. 000 000 0022-2 5 3 Bush and O'Farrell; Mungo, Munns and Lopez, Berres. Cards Blank Giants R St. Louis 000 000 000 002— 2 .9 New York 000 000 000 000—0 6 P. Dean and Delancey; Fit and Mancuso. \ (Only games) AMERICAN LEAGUE Yankees Defeat Indians 1 1 Gothez and Jorgens; Hildebrand and and Cochrane. Philadelphia at St. Louis, postpon- ed, rain. (Only games.) wig (By The Associated Press) (Including yesterday's games) AMERICAN LEAGUE Batting — Gehrig, Yankees, 362; Manush, Senators, and Gehringer, Runs—Gehringer, Tigers, 122; Web- ber, Red Sox, 121. Hits—Gehringer, Tigers, 194; Geh- rig, Yankees, 192. Home runs — Gehrig, Yankees, 45; Foxx, Athletics, 41. Pitching —.Gomez, Yankees, 25-4; Rowe, Tigers, 23-6. NATIONAL LEAGUE Terry, Giants, 351. Runs—Ott, Giants;'110; P. Waner, Pirates, 107. Hits—P. Waner, Pirates, 195; Terry. Giants, 1 Home runs—Ott, Giants, —_—_—_—_—_ (By The Associated Press) Charley Gehringer, Tigers — Made ithree hits and drove in second run in 2-0 victory over Senators. Paul Dean, Cardinals — Limited Giants to six hits in 12 innings, fan- ning seven. Lefty Gomez and George Selkirk, Yankees — Gomez held Indians to three hits; Selkirk hit homer for win- ning runs. Guy Bush, Cubs—Held Dodgers to five hits, blanking them until ninth inning. PAUL DEAN DEFEATS GIANTS AGAIN, 2-0; LEAD DWINDLES |Little’s Sub-Par C tofT bit 4 Established Him a Renton she r Favorite N. D. HIGH SCHOOLS WILL PLAY _|2n. smts on smavon UNDER INTERSCHOLASTIC RULES Millers Beat Saints, 6-3; Enter Playoff Blues Take Starch Out of Brew- ers’ Sails With Victory in Doubleheader Chicago, Sept. 14.—()—With Min- neapolis and Columbus formally qualified to meet in the championship playoff, the American Association Friday set about tieing up a few loose ends. Although Milwaukee was out of the running for the western lead, follow- ing two defeats by Kansas City Thurs- day, combined with a Minneapolis vic- tory over St. Paul, the Brewers still had a faint outside chance of overtak- ing Columbus for second place in the general standing and gaining a bigger share of the bonus money. Indianapolis and Louisville, tied for fourth place, opened a series Thurs- day to decide undisputed possession of the berth. Toledo, St. Paul and Kansas City, all out of the bonus money, had a bat- tle over the last three places to settle. Started again by one of Buzz Ar- lett’s homers, Minneapolis defeated ‘St. Paul, 6 to 3, for the victory needed to clinch the leadership of the west- ern section. Joe Shaute outpitched Claset, Erickson and Fette, scattering ten Saint hits. The homer was Ar- lett’s 41st of the season, and left him seven ahead of Lin Storti of Milwaukee for the season, Kansas City took a reef in Milwau- kee’s hopes for second place by win- ning, 2 to 1, and 7 to 6. Millers Dub Saints Score by innings— RH St. Paul. 010 000 110— 3 10 0 Minneapolis . Claset, Erickson, Fette and Fenner; Shaute and Hargrave. Milwaukee Stiles and Crandall; Braxton and Susce. (Second Game) Score by innings— Kansas City..210 000 030 01— 7 Milwaukee ...020 000 400 00— 6 7 2 (11 innings) Beard, Jones and Breese; Stine and Rensa, N. D. High Schools Open Grid Season Jamestown-Carrington Engage- ment Takes Spotlight Among Week-End Games (By The Associated Press) A number of “warm-up” games marking the opening of‘the 1934 high school season in North Dakota are scheduled Friday. Prefaced by a period of condition- ing and preliminary drills in funda- mentals and light scrimmaging after instructions in various plays and signals, games Friday apply the first test to those teams inaugurating ‘competitive play. Four of the games will beckon the watchful eyes of football fans and Players. They are those calling teams representing Jamestown, Grand Forks, Valley City, and Devils Lake into action. Jamestown’s engagement with Car- rington js the first of a series of eight night games to be played by the Blue Jay crew, unofficial champions last year. Lisbon at Valley City. Langdon at Devils Lake. Saturday Minot vs. College High he Crandings st. Chicago Boston sy 80 6 - 6 50 50 48 LEAG! w Detroit 1" 70 62 61 87 “e AMERICAN ABROCIATION Minneapolis. Columbus Milwaukee . Indianapolis Saezeees.S sess8se essusse® 4,,caterpillar has four times as;cut your hair and nails before the, jmany muscles as a human being. 01 020 O2x— 6 12 114, Change From National Coll giate Football Code Voted by State Board Fargo, N. D., Sept. 13.—()}—Ofticial it-terscholastic football rules of the National Federation of State High School Athletic associations will gov- e1n North Dakota high schools teams this season. ~ Until this season, North Dakota high schools played under the national collegiate football code. The board of control of the state high school league voted to join the national federation, whose member- ship includes Minnesota. and South Dakota, among other states, it was announced Thursday by B. C. B. Tighe of Fargo, board president. Many of the differences between the collegiate and federation rules are in wording only and minor in character. The average spectator watching games: Played under the two sets of rules would notice little difference except that in the high school game @ back- field man may pass from any spot be- hind the line of scrimmage. Principal differences follow: 1, Under the national federation code a player may be allowed to with- Graw from the contest to correct dangerous or confusing equipment and return in any subsequent quarter. 2, Accenter, guard or tackle may be shifted to the backfield or end posi- tion and return to his original posi- tion during any subsequent quarter. Such procedures ‘are not allowed un- Ger the collegiate code. 3. Under federation rules the two inbound lines are 15 yards from and Parallel to the sidelines instead of 10 yards as under the collegiste rules. 4. While the collegiate rules allow only % inch between maximum and E/ minimum sizes of the circumference ball, the federation rules allow erence. federation penalty for de- of @ game is 15 yards, :th 25 yards to the college team. are no 25-yard penalties under he federation code. 6. Under federation rules a ball that goes out of bounds which is touched simultaneously by opposing Players belongs to the opponents of the opponents of the team which put the ball in play. 1.. Federation rules are the same for all free kicks: kickoff, kick after safety or kick after fair catch. The The collegiate rules have one set of provisions for the kickoff and a slight- {lv different set for other types of [free kick. A few minor differences result. 8. Federation rules provide that a ball which has been kicked remains @ kicked ball (free ball) until it has been in a players possession. Collegi- ate rules say it remains a free ball until end of a down. 9. Principal outward difference be- tween the high school and college games results from the federation rule that says the passer need only be behind the line of scrimmage when the ball leaves his hand, while the collegiate code says he must be at at least 5 yards behind the line: of scrimmage. ‘The high school federation first published its rules in 1932, when ‘Wisconsin, Illinois and Iowa were the only states to adopt them. This sea- gon, besides North Dakota, federation membership has engulfed Minnesota, South Dakota and Alabama. Joined in 1933. m YOU'RE TELLING ME Navin Field will seat 33,000, and the Detroit management is making alterations to handle 5,000 more, which won't be half enough when— and if—baseball-mad Michigan starts for the turnstiles at a world series ming. ... This is the American ’s turn to start the series ... the Giants having the honor in 1933. Those Chicago Bears will be even tougher to beat in the National pro Jeague this year... and the is that gosh-awful tackle who All-America ball for Duke last Hy ze $100,000 stake at Santa Anita prob- ably will be tops... . Northwestern has & bright gridiron outlook for 1935 ae 34 of the 60 players on this roster- are sophomores. Perry Ranks First In Tennis ‘Big Ten’ Paris, Sept. 14.—(#)—Fred Perry of England is rated the world’s best ten- nis player with plenty to spare in a world’s “first ten” compiled Friday by Pierre Gillou, president of the Inter- national Tennis federation. Behind Perry, Gillou ranked these inorder: Jack Crawford of Australia; Pet.|Gottfried von Cramm, Germany; H. 514 ‘SAT 530 | States; ‘$10|skvakia; Frank Shiclds, United 307 ‘430! and Giorgio de Stefani, Italy. 440 ——____—_ W Austin, Fngland; Wilmer Allison, United States; Sidney Wood, United Roderick Menzel, Czecho- States; Christian Boussus. France; It ts still a popular superstition in many districts that it is unlucky to moon is past full. d/iong way to eliminate that Enter Semi-Final Round of National Tourney Brookline, Mass. Sept. 14—(7)— The national amateur golf champion- ship was a four-man show Friday with William Lawson Little, Jr, the competitively hard-boiled shotmaker from the Pacific coast, cast in the leading role. The supporting players comprised a pair of Texas tyros, David (Specs) Goldman, a metal lath tradesman, ne Led Smith, an oil salesman, il Don Armstrong of Chicago, & post-repeal whiskey vendor. Little, the lone nationally known contender for the untenanted throne, drew the stellar role on the strength of his record-smashing triumph in the British amateur ‘championship last May, and on the merits of his sub- Par conquest of Wee Willie Turnesa, who uncrowned Champion George Dunlap and paved the way for.a new deal in golf. Only two players in the years gone by—Bobby Jones and Harold Hilton of England—have ever won the British and American crowns in the same year. Little's immediate obstacle is Arm- strong. They will play 36 holes in one of the two semi-finals. Goldman and Smith meet in the other final. Referee Kayoes Ace of Spades Johnny Knauf Awards Fight to Hetherington After Dropping Colored Fighter Grand Forks, N. Sept. 14—(P)— Johnny Knauf, time welter- weight fighter and now a Grand Forks dentist, had one good fight left in his system and he did what Ernie ‘Hetherington of Winnipeg failed to do in the main bout of @ boxing card here Thursday night. ‘Knauf knocked out Ace of Spades in the fifth round when the Omaha Negro attacked him. Knauf was re- fereeing the bout and had constantly warned the colored boxer for stall- ing. Ace came off the ropes when he had been absorbing a beating and drove at Johnny. He missed his first two swings, but continued his attack. Knauf circled the colored fighter, drove him to the ropes, then drop- ped him with @ two-fisted attack to the head. After the referee had knocked Ace out he raised Hetherington’s hand, declaring him the winner. In the meantime, Hetherington had scored some kind of a victory over young Jack Thompson, another Minneap- olis negro, who jumped into the ring during the melee. Hetherington floored him with a right to jaw and Thompson scrambled out of the ring. The referee also decided the semi- windup when he stopped a bout be- tween Abe Hofer of Lisbon and Thompson calling it “no contest.” Knauf stopped the bout in the sixth round as the boxers stalled and re- fused to break at his command. Clayton Ness, Grand Forks light- weight, shaded Eddie Dyer of Min- neapolis in another six rounder and Young Dannos of Minneapolis beat Elroy Bushaw of Grand Forks on a foul in the third round. Ralph Baker of Grand Forks stop- ped Eddie Merino of Minneapolis in the first round of the curtain-raiser. 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