The evening world. Newspaper, May 19, 1914, Page 2

ES Dytstere sm had been eay- tee day. After we got We Went up town to For- wtreet and Sixth avenue, @Ot Off. Becker kept on up the automobile.” te Webber's poker rooms,” “There were two it was an } The clerk Ot into the street. I went out told Bim to look out for the and went into Forty-third INTHAL'S BODY AT 1S METROPOLE. | “Tte Gret man 1 met was Dave who worked for Bridgie I went to the Metropole there I saw a man I'd known twenty-@ve years lying there I stooped down over him and 3 ‘Merman, Herman; who did it? @oor of the Metropole Hotel was and after I atood around for ‘Beansey’ Rosenfeld, eee you‘see Becker in Forty- it any time? A. Not after ‘When to get rid of that bald- fellow,’ Bridgie said. ‘He and re bleeding me to death.’ 1 ‘ou don't have to give up , but he said it was all right. bim who the other two were he said: ‘Oh, & couple of Zelig’s gorillas,’ He gave me the Money next morning. bome rae iar eaten on July y Police you any anew main in the and then I West Bide intil Aug. 20. it me down to the indicted for mur- | SWEARS ROSE SAID WHITMAN “WANTEO” BECKER. ‘Whitman. I won't stand for it.” the lawyers come in then? tA. Mr. Marshall, Mr. Sullivan, Mr. one Abram J. Lev: . all said to m ? are you all it?” and I said: headed —— is trying to ‘and I won't stand for Reich then fest Side Pri “When I go! ie pesriget. how many tiers they id six, and I sald ha’ excited ‘ia bal: frame Beck: ae of his going to the at were there on other tiers. and the others came out and fl A ary ote! " a pribon. ‘If you want | te talk to me get me out of this cell.’ t gaid: ‘I'll get you out.’ WEBBER'S TALK OF GETTINGON BAND WAGON, “Why, ° 't cerreborate him me,” oon- the witeess ne freee, —— ——, weuld frame hand Becker Whitman, eaid, ‘would Gaynor or any- lid you say to Webber? vu ret, here before I do hie eee i dic in anita |.@ more ald to you? A. He got me said to me: ‘ou've got to do this.” 1 asked: ‘Do what? He sat that the Lobygow' place—yor w there with us | and fix it the day we say and then say you went down to headquarters the day after the murder to bo Setting $1,500 from Becker.’ id IT wouldn't do It. own lawyer and fen going to tail’ ‘ira 0 what's doin; ” “Webber later. feu me in @ oe "ve seen th have no price. 1 wouldn't de a wrong like that te a dog.’ ROSE PLEADED FOR STORY COR- ROBORATING HIM. Q. Did you talk with Rose that? A. Rose eaid to me: a don't you know you're liable to get ten years. You've to corroborat what I say.” I told him to aw: and let me alone or I'd attend to him oald 'd been him he'd been a | Backs when I got out. I told ll his life and I wouldn't my fri and grafting rat borate him in a million ‘This said, in presented to tne Grand: Jury rand Jury Justified that body in finding an in- ictment against him for the murder f Rosenthal. On the following day, Mr. Moss's letter went on, the Grand Jury would meet to consider further the evidence, adding: “I am possessed of the facts re- garding your relations with Becker,” the letter said, ‘and your collections from keepers of disorderly houses and of many other circumstances.” 4. “I told Rose about receiving this letter,” he testified, “and he asked me to show it to him. “nothing doing”—that I show it to my said to me: “What do you care about the Dutch ——- —-? He's a Dutch copper and you know that every one of them is a Jew-bater. We are all Jews and we ought to stick together.” Q. Did you go down to the Grand Jury room? A. Not into the jury ace waited outside. e . you eee any of them come out? A. Ross. H Wel ‘What do you think? Moss was in there poundi 8 on Roge to say that it was a fact that you were the one who went around from Webber's to the Metropole and back to 0. K. his (Rosenthal) And Rose said it was . Ho has sent for a doctor, he's I sal hb he gets out, I'l) Reich told of a talk he had with Webber after gol back to the rice about Rose's relations with thal. Rosenthal had resented Rose's demand for a fits, accord and jowenthal threw him out of the gam- Lait Sloecag rt ‘rom that time on Reloh oa Webber told him Rese wan Rosenthal killed. Webber, irding te Reich, quoted Rese as way to stop him—that’ him croaked the first Did you talk about thi Assistant Diatrict-Attorn Smith, yen. Bev: . account of hie description of Rose to Smith was full of vile epi- thets but mo earnestly delivered that even Justice Seabury smiled at the tumultuous torrent of invectiv Q. What else did you say to Smith bout corroborating Rose? A. I sald int, you know I'm your fri Bu not in swearing a# life away. I wouldn't do that. You wouldn't be- Meve Rose yourself, would you?" He AL Si Reic Did you eee Wi I met him the next Sunda: and went with him to Fischmann's house at One paundred ee Fifteenth le y’ he had seen Steuer, and uer him that the affidavit of a confessed murderer was no The only thing was to get Bche! and have him tell the truth. I eaid I could get w would get Schepps in question him, He sald we could have dictagraph in the room ana we yuld get the truth from Schepps and everything would be all i. WHITMAN ON CROSI XAMIN- ATION ANGERS WITNESS. Mr. Whitman in cross-examina- tion sald to the witness: Q. Why didn’t you ask Rose who the gunmen were? A. I didn't know this | @ | Frank and Whitey Lewis with m Q. | at as truthful as the other things you've said. A. I'm telling you the truth, I've never told any- thing but the truth, Reich was white with anger at the District-Attorney's questions, but he held himself well in hand, He often angrily cross-examined Mr, Whitman "| instead of answering. Q. Did you talk with Rose in the) | Tombs about the gunmen after he came to the District-Attorney? A. | No, it was in the Weat Side prison. Therg were constant tilts between Mr. Whitman and Mr. Manton over the methods of the former. | . Don't you know the gunmen were not arrested until August? A. | I know Dago Frank was in with me jand I talked with him, Q. Don’t you know that you're lying you have said? A. Nothing but the truth. You know it's the truth. Q. How did you nm your living in 1907 and 1908? Did you live on women? A. You know I didn’t. You know I ain't the type of man that does that sort of thin You know better! By Justice voluntee! Reich—I'm he knows it! Seabury—You must not as clean as he is and (Reich was half out of his chair and shouting. Q. Weren't you the cadet on the east side? A joke COURT TRIES TO RESTRAIN THE WITNESS. Reich insisted upon elaborating his answora into long statements and ice Seabury had to move his closer to the witness to re strain him. But neither the Court nor the District-Attorney could ac- complish anything with Sullivan. The District Attorney asked Reich about having gone on the bond of a certain woman, Reich couldn't re- memter. Q. Don’t you know that I was the Magistrate who fined the woman in that case’ No. (Shouting). Did you see me there? ‘This caused an outburst of laugh- ter in the courtroom. Once more on a question regarding @ woman the witness rose and nolaily compared himself favorably to Mr, Whitman. Mr, Whitman pounded with his fist on the table, slamming home every word of a question at the top of his voice. Sullivan lifting himself on the arms of his chair with his own arms as springs and bobbed up and down glaring at Mr. Whitman in time with the pounding. Just before Court adjourned for re- ceas Justice Seabury addressed Reich, maying: “If you do not behave and conduct yourseu properly and obey the orders of the Court, I shall punish you for contempt.” Reich merely glowered. WITNES® SEEMS UNIMPRESSED BY THREATS. Sullivan came back from lune! with the fighting glint atill in his He seemed to be impelled firat by a desire to prove himself stronger of voice and intellect than the District- Attorney and second b; lution to show himself swear away a friend's life for any amount of money.” Furthermore he showed he had not been impressed by any threats of punishment for con- tempt of court. More persons were in the court- room after recess than at any time since the trial started. Justice Sea- bury directed that all persons not seated should leave the court-room, ost notorious ‘A. Humph! Up Husband and Insists * He Testify in His Own Defense A number were obliged to get out. Mr. Whitman continuing his cross- examination, began by asking Reich - |i he had gone on bail bonds for any Women arrested for soliciting in the streets. The witness testified that he could not remember having done so save in one case, The names of various women were given to him by the District-Attorney, but Reich failed to remember them. Q. Didn't you live on the proceeds of the street life of one Blanche Brown? A. Certainly not! Reich said he owned a building on East Tenth street bought with News- boys' Home donations, Q. Didn't you give that house on bonds? A. Yes. Q. Yet it was the Newsboys’ Hore? . Yea. Q. And you swore it was yours? A. Nothing of the kind, . Is that your signature? A, Yes, e witness identified his signature on a ball bond.) Reich said he knew Jacob and Rosle Herts, notorious East Side charac- ters. He knew they owned one disor- derly house, Q. State your conversation with Jack Rose in the Tombs? A. He was sitting on a chair with his hands on his head, I said: ‘What's the mat- ter?” That was the day Becker w indicted. He said: ‘My head is bu ing. I said: ‘What's the matter?’ Rose said: ‘That lawyer of mine— Sullivan— s Whitman has got a rope on my neck. The District- Attorney doesn't care anything about that. He wants Recker. The gunmen are going to squeal, We are nothing and I'm going to give away Becker.’ Q. Thdn't you have any curiosity as to who had killed Herman Rosenthal? A. Yes, | wanted to know, Q. And you didn't ask Jack Rose who the gunmen were? A, I-did-not (a pause for emphasis between the words). Mr, Whitman here put on the rec- ord bis adtyission that he had been in error to-day in trying to show that Reich was tying in his teatl- mony this morning when he said he now? A. No—I tt saw Dago Frank in the Tombs. The tions—was wrong, Mr. Whitman sald, and Frank and Reich were in the Tombs at the same time. Q. How long have you known Becker? A. About seven years and Q. How many times did you spe to him on the evening of July A. In Hart's office, at the fight, when we rode down to The World, to see Ike White. Q. You mean to say that this Lieut. of Police, to whom you'd only spoken once a year for sev years, asked you that night to ride down town in hia car? A. Yes, that's certainly true. Q. You say vou went into Bridgie Webber's at ten minutes before 2 o'- clock just before Rosenthal was killed? A. Yor, sir, Q. Did you see the tuunderers then? A. No, Q. Didn't you see Webber, Whitey Lewis or Lefty Louie? A. No. J did not. Why did you go to the side of em ogee ‘ x ay: .E, MAY $11,000 (Continued from First Page.) make me President of the New Haven.” ‘As President of the New Haven what were your relations with Mr. Morgan?” “That is difficult to answer.” “Were you Morgan's man?” “I have been called his office boy in the press,” Mr. Mellen laughing- ly replied. “What ‘would you say as to the relations?” “1 wae proud ef his confidence and Proud te be called hie man. | theught @ great deal of Mr. Morgan.” ASKEDAND MORGAN 9,3 ono?” witness stand. Commissioner Mc- Chord, who presided, ruled that Mr. Mellen should answer the and the witness then said: “I told Mr. Morgan that the mat: was not in the shape It should be. “Do you think you know more about how it ought to begirawn than proportion had bFen 1 do?’ Mr. Morgan sald. “I allowed I didn’t and dropped “An amount approximating $9 000 was paid for the W a beginning,” suggested Mr. for?” Mr. Mellen explained that the Fi- nance Committee of the directors re- ported in S@vor of the transaction, which, he thought, involved about $11,008,000, “"oMeHY ALL THE DIRECTORS “DUCKED,” SAYS MELLEN. “Did you carry out his policies?” “I do not know that be had any particular policies.” “What was the relative importance of the directors as related to Mor- gan?” “That ie giving an opinion. regarded experience and ease in which he way?” “Now,” suggested Mr. Folk, “how did you happen to get the 8,000 shares of New Haven stock which was to be exchanged for Westchester stock?” “Mr. Byrnes, former Police Inspec- tor of New York, asked that the shares be placed in my hands, so that he might not have to deal with a cor- poration. That was natural.” “As to the hay Pa of this stock,” continued Mr. Mellen, “an impres- sion is abroad concerning the due bills I gave that is erroneous. I think I gave due bills aggregating about $20,- 000, totalling about two dozen due bills." ‘ere these due bills presented sub- sequently by persons whom you did not know?” “Yes,” replied Mr. Mellen. “Some of them were; while others were pre- sented through Inspector Byrnes. Some of them never have been pre eented. | don’t think any cash was paid in the Westchester transaction except for such due bills as | gave. We man of ability, ity, | recall ne id not have hie a. the murdered Rosenthal? A. I wanted to see if I could help him, Qa. senth: A. Mendelsohn told me. Q. Didn't you know who it was without Mendelsohn, Webber's man, telling you? A. No. Q. You went there from Webber's. A. Yes, Q. You were a few feet away when Rosenthal was shot? A. About a hundred feet. HE DIDN'T KNOW ROSENTHAL WAS TO BE KILLED, Q. And didn't you know be was to be killed? A. No, Q. Didn't Becker tell you? A. No. Q. Didn't you help plot his death? A. No. Reich was half standing, yelling in- to the District-Attorney’s face. Q. Aren't you under indictment for that murder now? A. You let me out. Th was ae tang! f counsel. Mr. Marshall shouted that the question was improper unless Mr. Whitman explained why he let Reich go free. In redirect examination Mr. Manton brought out from the witness that he waa the founder of the Newsboys’ Home Club, that the lease of the prop- erty was in his name and the furniture for it had been purchased in his name. Also Reich testified that Rosenthal had been best man at his wedding. Isidor Fischmann, a friend of long standing of Bridgie Webber, Vallon, Rosenthal and Rose, was the next wit- ness, Q. Did you have a talk with Web- ber, Rose or Vallon at the West Bide Prison about the Rosenthal murder? A. Yes, with Webber, All three were there—Vallon over in the corner with his wife. Q. What was the first you heard connecting Becker with the murder? A. Webber didn't talk about it until he got out of jail. Q. Did you ‘see Webber at a law- yer's office? A. Yes. Q. What did he say? A. Webber, Kellner and IT met at Mr, Beecher’s office. Jack Sullivan came in. Web- ber hung his pead down and Bulll- van said to hifm: ‘You —— ——, you ought to be six feet under ground!" Webber said to him: “You oughtn’t to be sore with me; I saved yor wouldn't you,” ‘The witness said the talk after that was all about getting an affidavit to save Recker. Did you go with Webber to Max Steuer and etay until he came out? MIS Riad did you know it was Ro- corroborate Rose against hat did he say? A. He sald Steuer said his affidavit was of no value. The only thing was, to get Schepps to make an afMdavit. Ho came to my house Sunday and Jack Sullivan was there, Webber told Jack the same thing. “One time I was at the prison,” said the witness. “Rose and Webber had some words. Rose said: ‘If it wasn't for you [ wouldn't be here,’ | and Webber replied: ‘If it wasn't for | nu I wouldn't be here.’ They had ome words about thelr wives, too.” Miachmann corroborated Reich in| relating a prison conversation in which Kose is alleged to have said he'd “give up Becker” as the only one Whitmen wanted Q. Did you meet Schepps on River- ride Drive? A. Yer and I told him what Hridgie wanted. Mr. Whitman on cross-examina- tion asked; Q, Didn't you try to get Bridgie Webber to invest money in your leather buaineas In May, 1918, when you were going into bankruptey? No, sir, ‘The witness admitted he had been living with a woman not his wife. Q. Where is your real wife? A. 1 don't know. Q. Tell the jury who she is? A. She ina bigamist, Q. You lived on her earnings? A. No, never Q. You mean that? (To Mr. Groeh) —Bring her in.) A. Yer. Mrs, Fischmann was brought in and concealed, back of the witness stand. Q. Haven't you been in hiding from record of the testi ¥ went to the of Appeaie—trom ‘which. Mr, been taking bis ques- the bankruptcy trustees for three months? A. No. Q. Don't you know you will, be I| bury could see her, but the jury and In auch circumstances, | k the stock. Then | be- came quite a stockholder.” Probing diligently into Westchester road scandals, Mr. Folk tried vainly to develop names of the politicians and [eo through the late Inspector yrnes. Mellen could not recall names or identity of the mysterious individuals who presented Weatches- ter etock or due bills and received cash without question. AMOUNT IN BYRN' TO $1,700,000. It developed that the original | amount of $1,200,000 stated by Mellen ae his expenditures later bo 8 incenenet 0 o oo He 0, an 700,000. not for $1,584,012 Was’ produced as being the sum involved the it DEAL RAN in 1909 and e account is atill open. Mr. Mellen further said he, as presi- dent of the New Haven, named Messrs, Morgan, Rockefeller and Mil- ler as the committee. He himself was! a member ex-officio. Mr. Mellen said that when the committee repor' about a year later that the sum of $11,155,000 had been expended. he found fault with the report, as not being sufficiently in detail. HE ASKED MORGAN TO GIVE DETAILS. “I saw Mr. Morgan,” he said, “and told him that all details of the mat- ter should have been set down, and that the report should have told how each separate sum was spent. I told him I might want some time to look up some of these items, Mr. Morgan was very abrupt in his answer to me. He was disturbed at that time, as it was during the panic, and I left hie office feeling much humiliated.” “What did Mr. Morgan say?” ‘Mr. Mellen objected to telling this, declaring that the conversation was rsonal, and as Mr. Morrin was dead he a8 not see any reason for ating it. "hte 1] that the conversation was humiliating to him and he did not care to repeat the interview on the locked up if you step into his pres- ence? A. No. Mrs. Fischman was moved out where the witness and Justice Sea- spectators could not. Then Mr. Whit- man, pointing at her dramatically, went on: Q. Didn't you beat your wife's face almost beyond recognition because she wouldn't bring in more money from the streets? A. No, never. The woman was emuggied out with- out being seen by any of the others in_the court room. Morris Beecher, the attorney who was visited by Tischmanno, Kellner and Sullivan, succeeded Tischmann on the stand, LAWYER CORROBORAT ER'S WITNESSE! Becker testified as to this conference, corroborating what Tiachmann and Reich had said as to Webber's statement in Beecher’s office that Becker had had no hand in the killing of Rosenthal, and did not know anything about it. He further testified that he had gone to the Weat Side Prison and had talked with Webber and Rose, Q. Did you visit the West Side Prison often while Rose, Schepps and Webber and the othera were there? A. I went up one morning. Rose was being shaved. Vallon and Webber and JJack Sullivan were there. Webber said to me: “Why don't you get Jack to come around and corroborate Rose and say the name thing we're going to say? 1 he does he can go out to-morro' I replied: “Jack will have to use own judgment, I cant advise him.” Mr. Whitman took thie last state- ment as the basis of his croas-ex- amination Q. You knew you were lying when you said you couldn't advise him, BECK- Mr. “The proposition,” said Mr. Mellen, “was submitted by the committee, headed by Mr. Morgan, and it was adopted by the directors. “1 thought,” continued Mr, Mellen, “that I was entitled to know more about the transaction than I know, I thought I was entitled to know why we were paying $11,000,000 for a big etful of stuff that we did not know the value “I never did know what the real motive for the deal was. I tried to find out and failed. I do not mean to convey the idea that anybody got away with money he was not en- titled to. The committee presented its report and it was ratified. That was all th was to it at the direc- tors’ meeting.” Mr. Mellen explained that in effort to obtain from Mr. Morgai information about the report he wi subjected to further humiliation. Mr. Morgan, he intimated, treated him brusquely and refused to give him any more information than the re- port contained. “I felt,” said Mr. Mellen, “that in disagreeing with Mr. Morgan I would be wrong nine times out of ten.” “Were you afraid of Mr. Morgan?” asked Mr. Polk. “Perhaps there was some measure of cowardice about my feeling. You can put it that way. I stood in great f Mr. Morgan, greater than of jan J ever met.” xplained that after the meeting the board, at which ¢! report had been adopted, 8. C. Her @ director, entered his office : ‘We're flying high here, spending $11,000,000. I'd like to know something about it’ “Holy Caesarina Philip!” Mr, Skin- ner shouted. “What have you nm doing here with $11,000,000 of New Haven money?” “‘T'll appoint you a committee of one to find out,’ I suggested. “*Not on your life!’ said Mr. Skin- ner. “There was enough said by Messrs. Hemingway and Skinner to satisfy the other directors,” said Mr. Mellen, grimly. “What was the value of the West- chester at the time of its purchase by the New Haven,” asked Mr. Polk. “I think,” replied Mr, Mellen, “that work amounting to about one million dollars had been done upon it and \that there was about four million dollars in real ate, The original theory upon wh! the purchase was made was that it should stand the New Haven about five million dol- Jars.” “Whose fault was It that you spent more than five millions “That sum was expected to be a sufficient basis for the, financing of the road. We were ight in the ted panic of 1907 and little by little put much more money Into the transac- tion.” Mr. Folk offered in evidence a letter which had been written by Mr. Mel- len saying he was sick and disgusted over the Westchester transaction and he feared thet many reputations might be damaged on account of it. He sald also that he expected that he would be the “goat of the entire business.” NOBODY PROUD OF TRANSAC- TION, HE SAYS. “Did you write that letter?” a: Mr, Folk. “{ suppose I did,” replied Mr. Mel- Jen; “it represented my sentiments then and it represents them now. 1 am not proud of that transaction and I don’t know anybody that ts.” “What did you mean by reputations would be dam that you would be made the ‘goat of the transaction?” Mr. Folk inquired. “When trouble befalle any enterprise,” inded Mr. Mellen, “gomebody must bear the burden. with? A. Nobody asked me to, Q. Ia that the best you can say? A. Yea. Q. Are you related to Jack Sulli- van? <A. Yea, we are cousins. You did not present this infor- mation when the case me on ap- peal? 4. No, Q. Isn't it the truth that none of these things occurred? A. No. In_closing the cross-examination Mr, Whitman asked Mr. Beecher if all given about the conversations in his office and in the West Side Prison were absolutely false. ‘No, they are the truth,” the lawyer replied. + Roslyn D. Whytock, a newspaper reporter for The Evening World, was then called to the witness chair. Mr. Whytock had an interview with Web- ber when the gambler returned from Cuba. Whytock swore that Webber told him that Becker was not con- cerned in Rosenthal's murder and that the gunmen were hired only to scare Rosenthal, but got drunk and exceed- ed their instructio For cleaning clothes beautifully —without rub or injury—Van’s No.ub has no equal, Get @ package to-day, At dealers, . & 10. Be gure you see this tied on Whe package. FREE—It not obtatmable wile tor didn't you? A. No. He was a very unruly man. Q. But you could have advised him? A. No, there was a reason why I could not. Q. You were a sworn officer of the court, You did not inform the Court that evidence was 6 SHOOED HM OUT pi question had to be bought by the foot. low was that payment provided | 4 | Others may | g- tdomaet el y and fight W out. it locke ae i | wae when | wrote thet, letter.’ j “What was the total pald by the! New Hi for th stchester | 8 “Thirty-five rs. How many miles? A. About 26 Making it aif a mile? track road and @ million and a it’ uch of th cost A. Weill, Mellen stated that he had talked over the Westchester d Morgan and Roc while both admitted the W very costly, more contident tiey would eve: in which Thorne ty Thorne, 5 “1 have had several interviews with oa “How were they to be ‘taken care of?” demanded Folk. GOING TO TAKE THE SALVA. TION ARMY. “Wel might have meant that he was going to take the Salvation Army there to pray for them,” snapped Mellen, apparently disgusted with the did | Seemingly unnecessary question. Com- missioner McChord rebuked Mellen for his filppancy, and Mellen said he thought Folk could answer the ques- tion himself. equally as well. “What do you understand by the ee on Fourteenth street?” asked ‘olk. “Fourteenth street is a broad street in New York with a building on it known as Tammany Hall,” was the bland reply. Folk tried hard to get Mellen to ad- mit that Tammany was “holding wu Thorne. Mellen refused to say so. He insisted this was contracts be. nm and Thorne for the original stock purchases, de- veloped Interstate Commerce ‘ommission gation at Be recently. Thorne received 7% r cent. on all money paid out, and Mel- eked by Mr. Folk concerning the connection of Mr. Rockefeller with the purchase of the Westchoster property, Mr. Me : M Rockefeller was in vestment in the Westchester but was rather staggered at the amount of the cos' was more than anybody thought it might be.” hat did Mr. Rockefeller say to you as to the Westchester deal?’ “Nothing, except that he believed it would be a valuable property,” Mr. Mi replied, ‘as Morgan's faith justified In view of Thorne’ double commission?” “This matter was discussed and I think It was held that the papers showed he might bo justified in this, but I reported against it HE ACCEPTED THE STETSON. Q. You accepted the word of Mr. Francis Lynde Stet- ter, A. Yes, I had faith in him. If he said anything was all right, I knew it w Q. Yet at the time you took his advice as the New Haven's counsel he was counsel for Thorne? Is it to represent ra of this kind? Weatchester — transaction was different from any other I have been in. Q. Why did you not consult some other attorney? A. I did not want any better man than Mr. Stetson. Q. Was Judge Morgan J. O'Brien acting as attorney for Thorne? A. He came in the case in the matter of the $275,000 payment. Thorne and Perry brought their claim in 1907 and O'Brien became Thorne’s attorney. He talked with Stetaon and the $276,- 000 payment was agreed upon and later made. Q. How was the money drawn out? A. I don’t kno It was drawn out by J. P. Morgan & Co. Q. Why did you not investigate these payments? A. It was none of my business. J. P. Morgan w the principal director in the New Haven. He could be trusted to expend this not surprised over the nt eleven million dol- irprised only that I never received a proper report of how it was spent or who got It. The money all went to Thorne and Perry. Mellen said the New Haven wai Yorrowing money all of the time. Much of it came from the Shawmut and the First National Banka of Boston, secured by five-year notes. He was asked whether he gave con- in Thorn taking WORD OF with. Q. Who did you negotiate with? A. No one, I want to say thi I aia Peak had done much Pialad Terminal satt (President of the Pe said their work was satis they got the contract $2,250,000, Q@. Why did you give them th egntract? A. 1 thought through va rious ramificationa they could do the work best. Q. By ramifications you mean holdups? inquired Mr, Folk. A. Not exactly. Gaffney and Murphy seemed able to do the work to better ad- age than anybody else. I never met either Gaffney or Murphy in my Ute. Q. Was it a fact that their bid wa: $400,000 higher than any other bid A. I can’t recall, but our engineerins department recommended the firm of Gaffney & Murphy. I desired the work to be done expeditiously and | felt they could do it with less fric- ybody else. 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