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URING the coming week the voters of San D Francisco will be called upon to take part in two special elections. The first is to be held on Tuesday, December 2, upon the proposed acquisi- tion of the Geary street railroad. The second upon December 4, upon eight questions involving amend- ments to the city charter. It is to be hoped that all citizens will feel sufficient interest in the elections to take part in them, so that the result, whatever it be, will represent the will of a clear majority of the voters of the community. The proposed acquisition of the Geary street rail- way is not only an important issue in itself, since it involves the issue of bonds to the amount of $700,000, | but has an added importance from the fact that it will if carried be the beginning of a movement that will certainly tend to further ownership and operation of public wtilities by the municipal government. It is therefore an issue of ‘far-reaching consequences, and it is the duty of voters to give it a careful considera- tion. No citizen can afford to be indifferent to it; for it affects the welfare of all. The charter amendments that are to be submitted | at the second special election are for the most part | matters of detail of municipal administration, and are designed to rid the charter of certain defects that have been made dpparent by practical operation. | Amendment No. 1 is designed to make clear and | simplify the provisions of the charter relating to the | acquisition of public utilities. Under the existing law | the city is required to obtain every two years estimates of the cost of constructing various public utili- ties, including railways, light, power and water plants. To obtain such estimates the expenditure of a large sum of money is required, and the expense is an utter waste of money in most cases, since no use is made of the estimates when obtained. The amendment pro- vides that estimates shall be obtained “whenever the | Board of Supervisors shall determine that public in- terest or necessity demands the acquisition, construc- | tion or completion of any public utility.” The amend- ment also provides that a vote of the people in favor | of the acquirement of 2 public utility shall not relieve the Supervisors from advertising a resolution of in- tention. Amendment No. 2 aims at diminishing the num- ber of special elections hereafter by providing that several propositions may be voted for at the same time. Furthermore, it includes the purchase of lands among the things for which bonds may be issued, | Amendment No. 3 relates to the regulation of street railways and permits two or more linies of street rail- ways operated under different managements to use the same street for a distance not exceeding ten con- | secutive blocks. The object is to give the city as- | sured control over its streets and to prevent existing I lines from barring competing lines from access to the ferry depot. Amendment No. 4 relates to conmtracts entered into by the Board of Public Works. It re- quires that all contracts on the part of the board shall be signed by two members thereof instead of three, as at present, and provides that the Supervisors may by ordinance authorize “progressive payments” for | work instead of requiring the completion of the con- tract before payment. Amendment No. 5 deals with street work and street improvement, and prevides that application for doing such work mtust in the first instance be made in writ- ing “by an owner or owners of property liable to be assessed for the $ame, or by their agents or by the Board of Health for sanitary reasons, or by the.Su- pervisors, expressed by resolution.”. The amendment further relieves the charter of certain ambiguities re- garding street work, and is designed to facilitate the | ter, has a capital of two hundred millions, F THE SAN FRANCISCO, CALL, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 1902 VICE AND THE CHURCHES, MAJOR MOSS, formerly Police Commissioner of New York City, has recently described the* vices of the tenderloin, the district which has selected Mr. Hearst to represent it in Congress, and has shown why such a hideous person as Devery rules that district, nominates its Congressman and treats it as a personal estate. The story is the story of Tammany. Devery, through Tammany, loots everything in the form of sin and vice that will bear a levy and uses the proceeds in taking a sort of pa- ternal care of the people. He bails criminals, and pays for their defense. If there is sickness in a fam- ily he provides a doctor. He secures the pardon of criminals, finds places in public or private employment for those who need it, and sees to it that the poor do not go to bed hungry. That is the benevolent side of it. On the malevolent side the picture is quite different. ' The same Devery and the same Tammany do 2ll this to control the vote of the people in order to secure the power to locate vice as a business plant, that' they may make it pay for police protection and permission to do business, The extent of the levy on vice and crime may be measured by the fortunes of Croker, Devery and the gang who have organized vice and protected crime as a source of power and pelf. Not only have the big chiefs grown rich in that way, but the spoil is so large that the underlings flourish in it. It was the source of the quarter of a million in money, securities and jewels found on a Tammany police captain -last month when he died suddenly with the evidence of his criminal thrift upon him. From thg head of Tammany to the tail the whole organization flourishes on the vice and crime of the great city and daes it by using part of its tax on yice to control votes by benevolence. The criminal who is bailed and finally freed by, judicious jury fixing is not particular as to where Devery got the money to do it. True, lknowing himself guilty and deserving of conviction, his scant respect for the law becomes less ‘when he escapes punishment, but his vote goes to whomsoever Devery nominates. The sick woman doctored back to health by Devery’s money is equally indifferent to its source, as are all the recipients of his bounty. After describing the processes by which the Dev- erys rise and flourish, Major Moss turns upon the churches of New York as really responsible for the whole vile system. He says, and we believe truly, that the churches combined could go into the slums of the tenderloin and the East Side and do there all of the benevolent work done by Devery and take the people away from him. Instead of doing this they are dividing over the discusion of dogmatic theology or wasting their energy in forms and ceremonies. If they concentrated their resources, divided the city into districts, knew the circumstances of every family in each, secured places for those that want work, doctored the sick and buried the dead of the very needy they would destroy Tammany in a year. The influence of that organization is of purely mer- cenary origin. Devery has no sentimental regard for the people whot he helps. He plays Lord Bountiful with money levied from vice only to get votes which will give him power to levy more money on vice. If his benevolence did not get votes the sick might die, the criminal stay in jail, the dead go unburied. His motive is purely mercenary. The churches could do the same work, carry the same relief, with charity as_their motive and humanity as their duty. If they did this work Devery could not do it; its recipients would be under no obligation to him; he would not control their votes; he would lose the power to protect vice and crime for a consideration; they | would be punished and eradicated, and the long and dark chapter in the history of New York would come to a close. It is useless to say that the combined churches of New York could not do this. They have the re- sources. Trinity parish, administered by Bishop Pot- Other Episcopal and Catholic and Dutch Reformed churches have great resources. In addition to what they have the people who give for charity would gladly give to the churches when to do so meant not only the administering of a charity, but also the working of a political and moral reform. Tt would bring the church to the people, who know it now only as a ghing far off, which they must pay for any service that it renders. Let the churches get to the people by Tammany methods without Tammany mo- tives, and the Deverys will Tose their hold on politics. — Some days ago The Call noted that the Albany Ar- gus had denounced David B. Hill as a “Democratic Jonah,” but now it has been announced that the ar- ticle of denunciation was inserted in that paper laté at night, without the knowledge or approval of its re- sponsible editors, but at the instigation of one with- out authority. We give the Argus and Mr. Hill the benefit of the correction, but after all the article was | true enough. e i AN AMERICAN MOTHER, ROM Chicago comes a story of love and hope of a nature so true to American ideals that it will be found interesting to every one who has sympathy with, the aspirations of American mothers or with the future of American boys. It is a story which reveals much ignorance of cértain superficial things of life, but a sure knowledge of the deeper truths. The mother was a widow with but one child, For vears she was a helpless invalid, and was supported by her son, a “breaker boy” in the coal mines of Pennsylvania. A short time ago she died, but on her deathbed she told her son that by careful hoarding for years she had saved up thie sum of $20, which she designed to use in procuring him an education at Chicago University. She further instructed him to get 2 good suit of clothes, and immediately after her funeral set out for the university, where he could get an education that would “ake him a leader of men.” v \ Such instruction discloses a complete ignorance of the ways and means of entering a university, The good woman doubtless supposed the institution to work of the board. Amendment No. 6 provides for increasing the salary of the Assessor to $8000 a year, “which shall b2 full compensatioh for all his ser- vices.” . Amendment No. 7 relates to cleaning and sprinkling streets and authorizes the board to have the work dome in whole or in part by contract. It also authorizes the board, with the consent of the Supervisors, to purchase appliances for doing the work. Amendment No: 8 permits the Board of Su- puvirn to “allow not to exceed the nm\?f $5000 2 year or&erefidohgad.indigmzndinfirmempt firemen who served in the Volunteer Fire Department between the years 1850 and 1866.” Such are the questions ‘the people are called upon to decide. Tt is now to be seen how many citizens take enough interest in municipal administration to study the issues-involved and go ko the polls and’ vote 2 € <+ loutandverified. Then it was prove be something in the nature of a magnified public school, open to any one of school age. She had read of the university in the papers, and it had impressel'l her imagination so that she looked upon ‘it as some- thing bigger than the local schools, something pos- sessinig a magic power of making leaders of men, and that was enough for her. Without further inquiry she set about saving the ‘money necessary to get the good suit of clothes that she thought her boy should have when he went to the great seat of learning. The boy was as ignorant as his mother. He obeyed her dying instructions, and a short time ago he ap- peared at the university with the good suit of clothes and the remnants of the $20, asking for admission. His utter ignorance of matriculation examinations and of the requirements in the way of fees led to an 9 while ignorant of many things about universities, had a right knowledge of America, for the faculty ob- tained employment for the ‘boy, provided a means to give him ihs(mcfion’\m the evenings and prepared a clear way for him to enter the university in due time. Surely ‘that is a good story for American Thanks- giving time. It is worth while remembering that we live in a land where the most ignorant of mothers can-cherish such ambitions, where the poorest boys of the fields, the streets or the mines can be stimu- lated by such mothers, and where the most powerful of institutions are so ready to give every rightful aid | to the aspiring. America has a right to expect much of that breaker boy of the coal mines, and the proba- bilities are the expectations will be realized. —— . The mining schemers who ‘are accused of having moved the southern boundary line of the United States into Mexico that they may egjoy the more liberal mining laws of Uncle Sam may find that Fed- eral Jaws are equally Tiberal in penalties for thieves. - ——— ELIOT ON PUBLIC SCHOOLS, ‘O much has been said by yellow journals, and S by some journals not yellow, in condemnation of President Eliot’s recent address on the fail- ures of our public school system that it will be worth while to point out just what President Eliot said, and wherein his critics have misrepresented him for the purpose of making a point against the culture he stands for and illustrates. 'The address when read as |a whole is emphatically a plea for better public schools and not a denunciation of those we have. The- failures of popular education were pointed out | solely for the purpose of maintaining the argument | that we ought to have a better system of common | school instruction. The ‘address opened with a clear statement of the purpose of the speaker. He said: “My object is to urge that the expenditure per pupil in.the common schools is altogether. insufficient,” and went on to say that the average expenditure per pupil for the whole school year in the United States in 1900-190T was $21 41 The ‘e:ipe{ldi;ure varies with the different States from an outlay of $41 68 in New York to $4 65 in North Carolina, but even in the case of-the highest amdunt the expenditure per pupil in*public schools falls far short of that of private or endowed schools. Dr. Eliot said: “A public school which has a teacher for every forty pupils is unusually fortu- nate; .the private and endowed schools not -infre- quently provide a teacher for every eight or ten pu- pils. Moreover, they employ a more expensive kind of teacher.” Starting from those facts the argument went on to the effect that the American people cannot afford to persist in the presentow expenditure per pupil and year, because while the, successes of public education have been great, they Have not been sufficient to the needs of the republic. Then followed-a review of the points in which public education has fallen below the standard of expectation. These, as stated by Presi- dent Eliot, are that we have not educated the people out of drunkenness, gambling and crimes of violence; we-have not raised them above a fondness for low reading and low theatrical entertainments; we have not raised them above credulity with respect to quack medicines or charlatans of any kind; we have not so informed the public mind as to be able to set- tle labor problems without strikes, nor to carry on city, State or national governmental affairs without resort to the spoils system of politics. Finally we have not provided in our education for a continual mental growth, so that: “For millions of American children systematic education stops far too soon, and for millions of adults the mode of earning a livelihood affords so little mental training and becomes so au- tomatic that mental growth is seriously hindered if not arrested.” Having stated the failures of the public schools the speaker went on to_enumerate the difficulties under which the schools do their work. We are trying to prepare all American boys and girls for a life of un- precederted freedom; our schools undertake to in- struct pupils of every gfade 'and degree of talent, home training, social position and opportunity in one school; they are educating children of the most di- verse races along the same lines; are trying to prepare their -pupils for life in a world that has been shifting and changing with unprece- dented rapidity. i In conclusion President Eliot said: “These con- siderations may be accepted as reasonable explana- tions of the shortcomings of American * education, but they do not alter the facts that the disappoint- ments of its friends have been many and deep and that immense difficulties beset its path. What should be the effect to-day on our minds of these disappoint- ments and of these unsurmounted difficulties? Surely a new and hearty resolution to do what we can to make the schools better and more effective to all righteous ends.” Such is the substance of the much discussed ad- dress. There may b differences of opinion concern- ing the reasonableness of expecting school education to put an end to drunkennéss, gambling, charlatanry and political corruption, but no one can justly de- nounce the address as being inimical to the public schools. It is, in fact, a strong plea on their be- half, and neans no more than that our children should have more teachers and better teachers, and that the teachers themselves should have more pay and less routine work. Two men who were convicted in' Massachusetts of robbery and sent.to prison have, after six_years of confinement, been released upon satisfactory evidence that they were wrongfully convicted and are innocent of the offense. The miscarriage of justice has dis- turbed the State a little bit, but the stern moralists of Boston console themsglves in the thought that if the sufferers had avoided bad company they would never have got into the sctape, and they are inclined to look upon the mistake of the law as something providential. ) e e S Russia has built at Dalny a magnificent city, ex- pending millions i parks, great buildings and su- perb adornments. But the city has no people. It seems strange that a commodity so cheap as people in Russia should have been overlooked by the Czar. American capitalists‘are giving the English serious concern by buying several of the most important rail- roads in England. If this sort of thing continties we may purchase the whole island and attach it to our international museum. oy . Tt it s One of the desperate highwaymen who murdered a police officer in this city and was sentenced a few days ago to be hanged sneered at’the dread prospect of death. He may rest assured that the rest of us share his opinion of his fate. ; — - King Oscar has decided in favor of the Germans in inquiry concerning him, so his story was brought | the Samoan controversy. - This is one of those cases n that the mother, ,vwhere the losers perhaps win most ., g i | 3 and finally, they | ENGINEERS APPROVE FOR MILE RO M e HE United States Board of Light- house Engineers at a recent ses- sion approved the design of Lieu- tenant Colonel Thomas H. Ham- bury, in charge of the Pacific De- partment, for a lighthouse and fog signal station on Mile Rock, San Francisco har- bor. The undertaking is by far the most difficult of any similar work on the Cali- fornia coast, and the design is the fruit of careful observation of conditions ex- isting at this exposed station. In a communication received yesterday Colonel Hanbury was instructed to pro- ceed at once wth such preliminaries as ‘were required. Mile Rock is located at the entrance to the Bay of San Francisco, two-fifths of a mile from shore and about one mile north of Seal Rocks. The obstruction consists of a larger and smaller rock, about sixty yards apart, with a deep channel be- tween. The larger has an elevation of 2% feet above mean low water, and the smaller 21 feet. The tides at this point run with great violence, and with short intervals of slack water between. The waves at all times dash over the crest of the rocks and in storms from the west have been known to reach an altitude of 55 feet. The erection of a lighthouse at this point involved time and difficulty. The structure will rank in the difficulties of its construction with those at Tilla- mook and Georges Reef. The marine interests of the coast have long urged Congress to make an appro- priation to build a lighthouse at this point, and with final success, as at the last session $100,000 was appropriated Yor this purpose. Mile Rock has a superficies of 175 square feet, of which 1379 square feet are available. The tides average an inch short of seven feet. The rock is meta- morphic shale, full of cleavages and very hard. There being no fresh water at hand compressed afr will be used for operating the signals. Oil will be the fuel. Pro- vision will be made for storage of water caught during the rainy season in a cis- tern in the lower story. JIn cases of shortage supplies will be procured from the shore. The base will be of concrete, faced with granite blocks extending to 24 feet above low water piane. Above will be the tower, having a base diameter of 36 feet, extend- ing to a height of 74 feet 5 inches, sur- mounted by a standard third order lan- tern. The local plane of the light will be 80 feet 5 inches in height, and out of reach of ordinary waves. In clear wea- ther the light will be visible for. ten miles. » The base part of the structure is to be made of granite headers. and stretchers five by two feet in dimensions ih two-foot courses. The finish will be close quarry face with joints and planes perfectly true and pointed with lead strips. The gran- ite wall will be backed by concrete. In the base provision is made for stor- ing 7000. gallons of fresh water caught during the rainy season or delivered, by boats; also a pump room for cooling the vapor engines, located\in the second story, ‘which furnish the compressed air. The floor room of the tower has a di- @ rivlivielielielieeieie e @ PERSONAL MENTION. C. R. Tillson, an attorney of Modesto, is at the Lick. ‘W. A. Veith, a raisin grower of Fresno, is at the Grand. L. Pelz 6f Nome is at the Lick, accom- panied by his wife. ‘W. D. Noble, a well-known resident of Fresno, is at the California. The Rev. William ZLucas of Ben Lo- mond is a guest at the Occidental. Don J. Zan, a prominent resident of Portiand, Or., is at the Occidentai. C. A. Canfield, a well-known oil man of Los Angeles, registered at the Palace yesterday. Colonel R. T. Gentry, the well-known circus man of 8t. Louis, is at the Palace, accompanied by his wife. M. M. McQuigg, secretary of the Sa- Inas Water and Power Company, and J. M. Gardner, treasurer of the same cor- poration, are at the Grand. Dr. R. C. Meyers, who has been lying dangerously ill with pleuro-pneumonia at the Lane Hospital for some time, is now mending rapidly and will be out in a few days. tis a wonderful s ap that takes hold quick and does no harm. No harm! It leaves the. skin soft like a baby’s; no alkali in it, nothing but soap. The harm is done by alkali. Still mote harm is’ done by not washing. $o, bad soap is better than none. What is bad soap? Im- perfectly made; the fat and alkali not well bal- ariced or not combined. What is good soap? e Pears’, | Soldall overtheworld, DESIGN p CK LIGHTHOUSE s i G o+ SUBSTANTIAL LIGHTHOUSE WHICH WILL BE ERECTED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON MILE ROCK, DRAWN FROM PLANS OF THE ENGINEER, AND SKETCH SHOWING ITS LOCATION. & 3 ameter of twenty feet. In it will be kept oil for engines and lamps. A small hoist- ing engine for use in emergencies will be located here. The second story of the tower will be occupied by duplicate engines for com- pressing air and hoisting engines. The third and fourth floors will be used for kitchen ard living room of the keep- ers., \ The fog signals will be ten-inch | whistles, located on the balcony of the | secend story and on the sea side of the | tower. Three keepers will be required. | The upper floor will be used as a watch | room and for working repairs. ’ The light will probably be fixed red. The exterior of the tower will be painted white, forming a conspicuous day mark and observable in times of fog. Two windows in each story will afford light to the tower. In tempestuous weather these openings will he closed by iron shutters. The preparation of the rock for the tuilding of the superstructure and the copstruction of the first two or three storieg will be a matter of serious con- sideration. The stormy location of the new lighthouse, with the heavy fogs and currents usually encountered at this point’| is likely to add seriously to the cost of erection. A detailed survey of the rock is yet to be made and, with plans, will be returned to Washington for final adoption. This will be a matter of some weeks' delay, after which the advertising for bjds will be in order. It is not believed that actual work can begin before the cessation of winter storms. By another year it is ex- pected that Mile Rock lighthouse and sig- nel station will be an accomplished fact and that such wrecks as that of the Rio de Janeiro, which is believed to have oc-* cuired at this spot, willj in the future be prevented. . The superintendent of construction of the new station will be'A. Ballantyne, who made a national reputation for him- self at Tillamook and Georges Reef, where ligthouses were built under his supervision. —_——— Another carload of Call preminm Atlases left Chicago, via Chicago Northwestern road, Saturday, No- vember 22, and are due in this city about December 5, at which time all Call readers who desire this pre- mium will please place their order. ——————— Prunes stuffed with apricots Townsend’s.* —_—— Townsend’s California glace fruit and candies, 50c a pound, in artistic fire-etched boxes. 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