The San Francisco Call. Newspaper, August 21, 1902, Page 3

THE FRANCISCO CALL, THURSDAY, AUGUST 21, 1902 WITNESS TESTIFIES THAT MRS. GAGE BOUGHT GOODS FOR SAN QUENTIN PRISON entered in the firm’s salesbook, the book of original entry. There was no quibbling about this gentlemaw's testimony, not the slightest hesitation. Edward Dreyfuss, the floorwalker in Levi Strauss & Co.’s house, also testified to knowing both Mrs. Gage and Mrs. Aguirre, He knew the ladies quite well, he said, and identified a bill of goods sold to them. in that case had been Mrs. A guirre. Mr. Dreyfuss also showed to the court where the bill of goods was posted in the firm’s original book of entries. SAYS THAT MRS. GAGE BOUGHT GOODS FOR SAN QUENTIN PRISON. OUIS BIEN, for many years general salesman in the employ of Levi Strauss & Co., upon the witness-stand yesterday swore that Mrs. Gage had bought goods for San Quentin prison. Mrs. Gage and Mrs. Aguirre, wife of the Warden's brother, were both known to him. He was shown a bill of goods charged to the prison at San Quentin and readily identified the purchaser of it as Mrs. Gage. He went further and showed where the goods had been His answers came clear and sharp and nothing could shake such testimony as his. The purchaser MR oOoLIVER Toox & REAR. ACCORD- ING TO* H1S ownN DID 5 KNOW tMMucH ES ¥ OCLINE R was NERwoLS 26 CouULR ity T SEE THROULGH EVvERY QuESTION OLIvVE®R FELT StMew Py -+ W/Iness Tells How Goods for San 0uentm‘ Were Purchased in San Francisco by Wife of Governor. OUIS BIEN of 2964 Steiner | the witness before proceeding further in regard to_the character is book. want to show them g—Do you want to offer the book | | | an with Li I—Not vet. I simply want to| | was the first for the items that | tn C 1 court convened in would be indi- testimony was “l:n:;”&‘)w;nt oOwWs District At- s testified that | | se wn knowledge this to be the | | Q { Stravss & Co. He is asked | | | Ye i3 Q to ask'a question that 1 | lon at this time, If you . | on. I ask the witness: | de—-..- & C | salesbook—is that the book-of orig- & of sales? A.—That is the book of - A el o S HANGMAN ABROGAST HELPS CLERK OLIVER CARRY RECORDS. A Mr. Preston—This fs the salesbook of Levi = m were those goods sold? A.— | Strauss & C kept {n the regular course of | s AN = ™ re s Gepartment people, under my | business as ts—that is admitted? eu Mr. Whiting—Yes - they sold? A.—These Campbell—That s the testimony. I have other things to think about. Mr Campbell—Was there ebony there? A.— —Did they make for you any bedsteads? Gage. I think they were | Mr Whiting—Did you make this actual sale | Q.—You knew the lumber had |I don't know. i o g i d £ & 4 ¥ ursewh A.—A portion of it. & been paid for? A.—VYes, sir. Q.—Was there oak? A.—There probably was. | Q.—Did they make for you a sideboard and v . Gage ani‘. rs. [v:\!;r’; x:‘re: rQ.’— ” at portion did you make? A.—Do- Q.—By whom? A.—Whom by? |1 can't remember. hatrack? A.—A_sideboard? ‘“-es‘ vntherp ere sold? I”(’ds;dc ep%r{mcm_ I nk. I am pretty S\:H"E Well, I d?n t know by whom. | Q.—You can’t. remember. Was there any Q ies? A.—No, slr. TIGRTE TS | e s, | Wy ABS the dther ssléemen wero busyi 1| QuRSir? AT dow't know by | ash or maple? A—I can't remember. Q—No'stactoard? g—What exhibit is that, Mr. Q.—You have a distinct recollection of this e Q.—Now, what else do yom re-| (Q_ i centertable? A.—Yes, sir. particular sale? A.—Yes, sir. | ~Q.—Now, then, if you knew the lumber had | member of having seen manufact- e phell—Exhibit No. 1. 1In order to | Q—Had you had any previous acquaintance been paid for, ¥ho pald for it? A—I under. | ured there. You ::n;e ot at un.re,’ evidence correct in the recor With Thete loa? A-S 3% > hat my brother was going to pay for it. [ couch and a bed, a mahogan C O T 7 N 27 Bnd better reread this Ml | g oo indles? A-=Not'to any ‘extent, no, 1 wd it Al undersiood that my brother | bed. ' Didm't they nuanoeeny LCOUNLs ff hlflga Q.—How did you know it was Mrs. Gage and R @ payor 1% € same time with the mahogany o . bo under. | MFS. Aguirre? " A.—I had seen them in the | gotng 1o bau oeroiogd that your brother was|bed a mahogany bureau and chif- Made for Him by some ome who under- | Sior. Detore: I did mot watt en them at that | SOID6 10 Py for 17 Well, you are the cash- | fonier? "~ A.—I 'had some things ure better than I @o read | ¢yme a—bia ):s\:rnlfll'o(her e vl m-Qdc ;l-ere for myself. - Whiting—Wouldn't the wi N pion had no introduction to them? A.—| No.'sir; the State had Rothing to do with It | they manutactured’ the mohorine Convict Labor. C 1 er res 2. —Sir? A.—] S 4 8 e o b iench, "to% o | Q.—Now. have you any independent recollec- o A e the State vhad RagiiEg _‘:::'m';:lnythgzr:lfi manufacture a s tal amouncs alse? S RIS S R The State had nothing to o with 12 chiffonier of 'the Prpbrfiins e S Al Nolnw Rivl o100, e enusf —The whole bill? A s - .—Abso 3 andiof (he antne r what they manufacture for you ] : Q. —Have you any independant recollection of = ¢ s . material that the . 4 , 20.34—1 Pride of the West &4 bleached, | 41137510 "that 1a, indepsndent of the books of | A~ Tes s’ orufactured by convict labor? | bed way made oft A-—They manu-| gy S SNentns A-Clon Beve st £ ., $6 2 doz,_towels, $6.50, $13; | the firm. A —Oh yes. I can recollect the cir-| =Q—Now, then, if you understood your broth- f—they made n dresser. | fning-room chairs, a table, I 2 goylies, 80c each, ; No. 6 oz. | e bills, nderstand yo ; 5 an ice chest, safe—one of these 250 T 50;' 313 Damask, | S0 you—who paid these bills? A.—That I don't | With the bedsiead? "A~—1 don't know. Q- —Well, what do you call a dresser? A.— | COmmon _safes or safes with a BV Bi: T16—1 “peos |drow, sio. e o0 Q—Wharse A doi't dmow. Well, It is a kind of—I can't describe it. | screen—a couple of large chairs, yard, 3625, 5308y | QYo aid p the OUr | red Gh fyfiod know that that bedstead was | Q.—An old-fashioned chest of drawers with a | easy chairs; that is, they made the 0 a doz., $4 vzd_ 3845— Scd \'o:Aao'n'sxri( RUEE, AR APD el '1';7?.';‘ owney ? looking glass on top of 1t? A.—There was a | Wood work; the iron work was z , 15 87 50; total 31 Bl Gk Rupw: o b fiile was R T e T ok (Blass In it T know, and a kind of made there; the other material I . "Q.—Are you fam | pr —No. s TAS rawers. paid for. the = of Levi Straus & Co., as kept at | Q—You dor’t know who made it out? A.—I | No sir. Q—Now, didn't 'they also manufacture | = Q.—And where did this material what Y&L sir. idcn t know who m:de it out, mo, sir. MQE- ang:nsa‘:xeenfi; ’é::‘sé,‘,f“ :nixgl-celo_mi chairs? A.—Yes, sir, I had some chairs made | come from, from. the State? Yes, o look at this book which I Q.—Well, were the goods declivered to these * o 0, sir; for myself. that fis, e of it; some of never have. Q.—You say you understood that your broth- er was going to pay the State for this ma- terial? A.—No, sir—was going to pay for the material like it has been done for years and h is marked, ‘‘Sales, July, 1901, | ladies &t this time? A.—They were shipped. . | 170 of the book, and ask— | Q.—They were shipped; they were not de- whether or nay that e a | livered at this time; they were not delivered g the record of sales made | 8t the time of the sale? A.—They may have Q.—No, o, T am talking about these ma- ¥ fmimjc T uais for hogany chairs at the same— AT don't now Q—Well—, a long time ago. Q.—Sir? A.—I think for the material for some of those chiffoniers I pald for—I won’t A.—I am telling you what 2 & Co.? A—It is. been delivered—. ; was manufactured for me the v & C Geliversd——. % o | vears. r me there, be sure. I ordered these things, and I in- 3 k you to state to the court Q.—(Interrupting) mean to these ladles; Q—Yes. Do you know where the material Q—I am not asking you now—we will—I | structed the carpenter to make a bill, and his—on this page of the sales- came from? A.—No, sir. am speaking about—at the, time they manufac- they were not delivered to them at that time? i when they were ready to present the bill, and d the same sales as read by you on | A.—No. Q.—Do you know whether 1t was o tured this mahogany bedstead that you say would be deductes y i The Court: Q—_They were not handed Per- | cnarged (o the. State A —Nor 1" weat B0 | your brother or somebody was Eoing. to pay | wes dome. i e o We object to the question upon | sonally to the ladies? A.—Oh no. | charged to the State. i the State for? A.—Yes, sir. Q.—When was it deducted from your ac- at it is incompetent, lmmlterllll V‘Mr. *Whilins—l think that is all with this Q.—What? A.—It was not charged to the Q.—Now, didn’t they manufacture there a | count? A.—When I took possession. ant, and ‘I would like -to examine " witness. State. dozen large dining-room chairs which were not | Q.—When was that? A.—Here last month, SRR h sttt Q.—How do you know, if you don't know | manufactured for you? A.—That were not| Q.—Last month? A.—Yes, when I moved b M ©® | where it came from and don't know who | manufactured for me? over to Berkeley. pald for 1t? A.—How do I know it was not Q.—Yes. A.—I don’t think so. Q.—Were they deducted from your account CONFESSION OF PRISON OVERSEER AGUIRRE|::E: o wivisl By @i G| agorodiony sortfus ptire | i it B 20 fy 305 member of seeing any report—the State had | Q-—Sir? A.—I am pretty positive because I | 19027 A.—They were deducted from my ac- nothing to do with it. Wwould have noticed them. I go up there once | count when I took charge of them. — Q—You do_not- remember of having seen | in @ while, but I don’t remember of seeing any. | Q- —Answer my question, kindly. A.—Wel, any report. Did you ever take, as the over- | Q.—Then If you Wero up there once in a | that answers it. Continued From Page 2, Column 6. Q—You have none. You were | seer of this penitentiary, did you ever take| While, about how many men vere working there | _The Court: Q.—Was that since the 2ith of ” the overseer of that—general over- | an inventory of the lumber that was in the | Manufacturing furniture? A.—Oh, we would | Ma¥? | i - _— have some two or three men Mr. Campbell—Was that since the 24th of scer at San Quentin—and you know | carpenter shop, hard woods? A.—We took an % that there was a mahogany bed- | Inventory. Mr. —. 1 forget his name now.| Q.—All the time? A.—Well, a good many | May? A.—Since the 24th of May. _you shipped to Mrs. Gage?| ytend manufactured there, and you | Q-—Haie? A.—No: the former aocountant | of them Wil only work when the spiri¢ meves | The Court: Q.—TLis bresent year? A.— he trimmings. don’t know what became of 1t?|that was there. Mr..Wadham and I took | them. A good many were sickly. It took one | Y8 that is when I took hold of if, when they Answer the question 1| 4._Not from my persomal kmowl- | that inventory of everything in the prison. | old fcllow there, a life-timer, probably five | Were turned over to me, I paid for'them. That material was it made? | edgze, I dom’t. Q.—In the prison? Do you know where that mfln!hsfi 1 uuplx’ma, to r:nk, & chiffonfer, be- le g/ll:u And that of course was after the 24th # > , W] A i inventory 18?7 A.—I presume if - | cause he was sick at the hospital; 8 X shippea? A.—1 Gom't re-| Q. —Jhat do you mesn by thar not from | panioWhere it cughe to be.. - !0 ' SR8 | Gl 08y Mina" work' Whenever he, Telc Tk | pd ANd how much did you pay the State for give us the year? A.—Well, it | know. That I cannot swear to a thing 1| 7 Was It sent to Sacramento? A.—I think | Wrking, B carpenter presented. (Eive us the 5 O e et 2t a0 s0; 1 think the clerk sent it. s~ \hat was Dhls name? A.—His name is | “°Q""That does not answer the question. A.— o FeamT kL Waw b Q—Did your brother, Martin Aguirre, the EToO WAL place in Baftaimatote LI b RAE G e T ] Well, I don't remember. I think I pald, that was shipped to where? A.—I| Warden, tell you what became of that' bed- | Properly belongs in the Controller's office, Q ALY A.cSRI8 Hkme ly Patr, is, for the materfal that I used belonging to ed down there, but when it|Stead? 'A.—He did not. hat did the Controller have to do with | Q—Paff. And for whom did he make this | {pe State: I vaid, I think it was about $150, article? A.—For me. Q.—Now, then, what else did they make for you? A.—Well, they made some chiffonlers Q.—How many? A.—I thing three or tour. Q.—And of what materlal? A.—One was ruado of ozk and the other some dark luruber, an inventory of the property that was in San Quentin? A.—Well, I guess the Board of Examiners. Q.—Sir? A.—It might—it probably was sent to the Board of Examiners. I misunderstood the question. Q.—Did any one connected with the State's prison tell you what became of that bedstead? A.—1I don’t remember that they did. Q—Sir? A.—I don’t remember that they aid. Q.—Then as a matter of fact you say that kriow. e by convict labor? A.—Yes at is—made by convict labor. then, what else was shipped to Mrs. San Quentin that was made by | something like that. | Q—Now, do you know what they manu- | factured for you? A.—Yes, sir. .~—Now, what else besides this and this couch and this table it was sent to be t labor? A.—I told you I could not tell S : g hich you sent to Mr. Jomes did 2 A.—Those are the only—that {s|YOU know that there was a mahogany bed- Q.—Now then, If you took an Inventory, | I don’t know. | fact e oo Stead manufactured there, that you don't know | will you kindly state whether or not th Q.—Walnut? A.—No, 1 don't know whatthey manufacture there for any hipment that I can r ber hat & | et wiotas o LBt | Lt L. at | Derson? What else did they manue was on hand at the time you took that in- b §ia s | of it7 A.—That is right. vgntory a certaln amount of hard wood? A.—| Q.—You don’t know what kind of lu jiscturs for your Heothest' A-—Weil, S L ] R ono ever (014 you what became W oannot remember that, W A=, d mber? | (here were things that I saw that Q - ® | of it? A.—I don’t remember. can't recall Q.—Sir? A.—I cannot .—The third was made of what? | were ma % A—I t0ld you I could mot tell that; | tyoe anybody ever aid. things, Tmembe e | e calories at? A kind | Vg _Well, name wome of them i o G~ Cherry. Where did you buy the cherry? | Please. A.—Well, he had—he had | A—tables made, and he had a hats rack and things like that, and | other things like that. Q.—Sir? A.—And other things I ean’t recall. Q.—How many bedsteads of mahogany or { otherwise did your brother have made there, of State materfal? A.—I don't think we used anything belonging to the State, any material; he bought. his outright and paid for fit. Q.—Didn't you state a moment ago that the | mahogany he was going to pay for, that ma- hogany bedstead? A.—Weil, he ordered the lumber, 1 think, told the carpenter to get the jumber, and the bill was presented to him, and A.=Well, some of that was tiere. | %l Won't say It was charry lumber how, oo " T Q.—Kind of cherry, call 1t? A~ Yes, sir, kicd of cherry. Q.—Yes? A.—Well, that was there. I had it charged up to my account. Q.—Where did you buy the kind of black material that you don't know what kind of lumber 1t waa? Was that there, too? A.— | es, sir. YQ.—'the other chiffonier was thers, too, was | it7 A.—Yes, sir; the lumber was there. Q.—Ot what material were the chalrs made that were manufactured for you? A.—Of oak. Q.—Of oak? A.—Yes, sir. —Do you know. as overseer. of bedstead having been carpenter shop, Lumber Paid For, But Aguirre Does Not | Memory Are Very I Gemh remember. T "o M Know by Whom. Conspicuous. Fire Couri—ie says he don’t re- : member. Q.—Then_did you, ms the general .—Can you remember Mr. Campbell: Q.—Do you Lnow | overseer of the prison, when you lngv A.—’l!hen was 80 ml';"?:?fi..‘."fi.'..'.‘:: what became of that bed? A.—Not|found, if you did find, that this | checked over there that—probably there was, from my personal knowledge. bedstead was gone, maie any in- Q.—S8Ir? A.—There probably wa Overseer’s Lapses of up there, yes. Q.—Did you see a letter “G» rved on the head of that bed? Q.—Sir? A.—Not from my per-| quiries as to what had become of | Q —There was mahogany, too, wasn't there? K % 3 sonal knowledge. ity ~No, sir, because I Lnew | A.—I don’ s 7 e B Q.—And how many? A.—A dozen. 1 guess he paid for it—I don't know. Q—Well, what knowledge, 1f | that the lumber had been paid for, |~ a3 AT corn® femqmember. @ What s calied dining-room chairs? A.— | Q—Didn't you state—— A (interrupting)— any, have you it, personal or |the State would not lose a cent b The Court—He says he don’t know; he can’t Fac ¥ That was not from State m::tflflr‘- Y eotherwise! A, ~~Nome at all. it, so I dispelled it from by mind. | remember. Q.—DId they make for you a dining-room | Q.—Sir? A.—That was table? A.—Yes, sir. ‘belonging to the Staté; I stated that. Salesbook of Lewi St;;zuss Tells the Tal of How the Ladies Bought Goods Which Were for Prison. DWARD DREYFUSS of 1019 Post street, general department manager and floor walker with Levi Strauss & Co., was called. He testifled as follows: —1 do. ?.;Do you know Mrs. Joseph Agulrre? A. —1 do. Q—Did you see them in the store of Levi Strauss & Co. on or about the 9th day of—the ith day of April, 10027 A.—I saw them in the store at that time. Q.—Yes, will you kindly take this book marked sales, April, 1902, L. S. & Co., and state to the court what book that is? ~Just | what Is the book first? A.—This is the eales. book—general salesbook of every da: month has a book for itself. Q.—Have you In that book a sale made to the California State Prison on or about the 7th day of April, 19027 A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Kindly turn to it? A.—Here it is, Q.—On what page Is (t? A.—Page 243. Q.—On the day these goods vrere sold, who, 1f ; each sir. any one, did you take around to the various | departments in the purchasing of them. Mrs, Gage and Mrs. Aguirre. Q. —Were those goods to your knowledge sold to Mrs. Gage and Mrs. Aguirre? A.—They were sold to Mrs Agulrre. Mrs. Gage was with her. Q.—And charged to whom? A.—To the Cal- ifornia State Prison, San Quentin. Q.—WI1ll you kindly read the items? A.—No. 1401, 2 dozen towsls at $5 a dozen, $10; 117, 3 dozen at $2 50, $7 50; 1403, 1 dozen towel e $: 50; 1399, 3 dozen at $3 50. $10 50; 1403, 1 dozen at $8; 1146, 2 dozen doylles, $1 37% $2 75; 108, 2 dozen glass cloths, $2,25, $4 50 3255, 3 pleces dlaper, 75c, $2 25; 3050, 3 dozen napkins, §3 50, $10 50; 3615, 3 dozen at $3 50 $10 50; 6709, 1 piece of Swiss, 20 yards, 30c, $6; 4675, 1 piece lawn, 24 yards, 25c, $6; ; pair 11-4 President blankets, $1 25, $3 pair 6-1b, Californla scarlet, $4 80: $9 60; W. P. 9, 1-3 dozen comforters, $30 dozen, $10: 1 pair Saxonville blankets, $2 50: 2 pleces piquot. 7-4 bleached 18c, §16 02; 71, £ dozen bed cov- ers, $13 50, $27; total, $154 AT. Q.—WEat is this Swiss and lawn; can you tell what was the character of it, from the bili? A.—Swiss s a thin fabric used for many different thing: Q.—And lawn? A.—The same thing. Q.—1s lawn used for dresses? A.—It can be used for that, yes, sir. It can be used for curtains. - It can bé used for many things. Q.—I wish you would turn to the salesbook of April 13, 1801. A.—That s it, Q.—Now, I ask you to look at the sales of the California State ——, charged to the Cali- fornia State Prison, on the 13th day of April, 19017 A.—I have it here. Q.—Please read it? A.—Page 450. 3053, § Doz. Napkins, $3.50, $17.50. 3016, 2 Doz Doylies, .85, $1.70. No. 44, 1 Doz. Gowns, $15.00. there anything else connected with that? A.—That is all. Q—Do you know Mrs. Henry T. Gage? A.| | _Q—WIill you kindly turn to the salesbook | of December, the month of December, 1901. Is that the book of original entry containing the sales of Levi Strauss & Co.. for the month of | December, 19017 A.—No, sir; this is the sales- | book for January of 1902. All sales of the last day of the last year are put in as January fol- | lowing. You understand? Q.—Does that contain an entry of the sales made on the 3lst day of December, 19017 A.— Yes, sir. Q.—And s the book kept in the regular course of the business containing all the sales made? A.—Yes, sir. | 'R—Now, will you kindly read from that book what sales were made to the California State Prison at San_Quentin on_the date of December 31?7 A.—No. 630, 3 Doz. Towels, $7.50. 8078, 1 Doz. Cloths, $3.00. Towels, .90, $1.80. 3614, 6 Doz. a Doz., $16.50. 4589, 8 Quilts at $3.25 each, $26.00. H. H. 9, 2-3 Doz. Com- forters, $24.00, $16.00. 434 lbs. 2 California White Blankets at $4.05, $5.10. 1 Plece Piquot -4 Bleached, 41.3 yds. .17, $7.10. Q.—Total §86.007 A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Do you know to.whom those goods were | s0ld or who was present when they were sold? | A—I could not. The names of the salesmen are here—Gray, Hoyer, O'Brien and George— four different salesmen. Mr. Campbell—That is all. CROSS-EXAMINATION. By Mr. Whiting: Q.—You say you are a general salesman, Mr. Dreyfuss? A.—I said § | Napkins, §: was a general department man, and—Iilke a floorwalker would be. Q.—You did not make any of these sales yourself, did you? A.—No, sir. Q.—Did you see them made? A.—Well, not altogether. 1 would go and introduce custom- ers to the salesmen and tell them to wait on them and see that they are properly attended to. Q.—You aid not see any sales made your self? A.—I might have stood there awhile. Q—Have you a recollection of it Dow—see- ing it? A.—What? Q.—Have you a recollection of it now? A.— No, sir, I could not—— Q. (interrupting)—Then you base your testi- mony on the salesbook, do you—that the sale was made at that time? A.—No, I base It that the goods were charged and delivered oo that bock—base it on that. Q.—Have you any other entries of sales to San Quentin—are there other entries in that book of sales to San Quentin? A.—To the California State Prison? Q.—Yes, sir. A.—Not that I know of. There A.—1 don’t know. might _be "some. Q.—You don't know? Mr. Whiting—Now, I the court please, I ob- Ject to this testimony upon the previous ground —that is, as stated before—that unless it is shown that these goods went into the posses- | slon of Governor Gage or his family, it will be incompetent. _Of course, that matter is re- served—your Honor reserves your decision on that. The Court—It comes In subject to the gen- eral objection. It will go in subject to the same motion. Mr. Whiting—Subject to the motion to strike out? The Court—T¢ | | if it is not connected. L i o o o o e Y Q.—As you stated a few moments ago that some person paid the Stats for it, and that you did not pay any attention to it after that? A.-—How is that? Question read by reporter. A.—Not paid the State—the State had noth- ing to do with it. I didn't state anything of the kind. Mr. Whiting—] understood that that was your testimony, Mr. Aguirre. The Witness—It I stated that I was labor- ing under a misconception: I told you that the State had absolutely nothing to do with it because the material did not belong to the State. Q.—Well, now, you got what they manu- factured there, a portion of it, for you, what they manufactured, a portion of it, for your brother. Did they manufacture anything for any one else? were made there. — His Memory Plays an Amusing Game of Hide and Seek. Q.—Do you know Mr. McDougal? A.—Yes, sir. Q. —What relative, if any, is he to Governor Gage or his family? A.—Well, that is—do You want me to give you hearsay testimony? sir? A.—I have understood he is a cousin. Q.—Cousin of Mrs. Gage? A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Did you ever know him_when he lived in Los Angeles County? A.—Yes, sir. 'Q.—Where did he work In Los County? A.—1 don't know. Q.—Didn’t you know him when he was fore- man_or had the charge of the Gage ranch? A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Is it not a fact that he was the foreman of the Gage ranch immediately before he came to San Quentin? A.—I have heard it sald; I don’t know. QDo you know Domingo Mendiaz? A.— . sir. Angeles A.—Well, there were things that | Q.—DId you ever hear of him? A.—I think S0; yes, sir. Q—Do you know who is foreman of the Gage ranch now? A.—Not from my own knowledge. ‘QA—Do you know from hearsay? A.—TYes, sir. Q.—And don't you know that this man Men- dlaz 1s the foreman of the Gage raneh? A.— Well, I have heard it sald. Q.—Whom did you hear say so? A.—I think I read it in The Call. Q.—Well. now, who told you that he was? A.=T don't remember. Q.—But you know, as a matter of fact, that he' fs? A—Yes, 1 heard it said that he is. That Is, I don’t know that he is the foreman, but he le employed there. Q.—Hs Is employed there. Do you kmow, | as”a matter of tact, that there have been | numerous shipments of furniture made in San | Quentin to him—don't you? A.—No, sir; I don't really. Q.—Sir? A.—I doa't really know. Q—Do you know of any? A.—No, sir. Q—Do you know of anything belng— A. (Interrupting)—I never go down there to the water front, except that I would go down with the bags once in a_ while; I would go down to the water front where those shipments were made of bags, once in a while, but I dom & remember seeing any furniture shipped down there. There may have been, but I don't know. There may have beem, but you don’t kmow. Don’t you know, Mr. Aguirre, that this bedstead, this mahogany bedstead, was | shipped to Govermor Gage's ranch from your brother to the Govermor —‘dol'l you Lkmnow that? A.—No, | mir. Q.—Do you persont? A.—No, sir. Q.—-And you haven't to-day the remotest idea of whatever became of it? A.—A4 atr: it appear to you, it that I do not know. Q.—~You don’t know? A.—No. Continued on Page Four, Column One.