The New York Herald Newspaper, February 7, 1879, Page 3

~~ PELTON'S. REVELARIONS How Uncle Sammy’s Nephew Strove to Capture the Presideney. ELECTORAL VOTES FOR SALE Efforts of the Politiclans to Purchase’ the Returning Boards. WHO.WAS TO SUPPLY THE MONEY? The Part the Wational Democratic tints Was Expected to Play. -—-——- THE OREGON REMITTANCE. Why Tilden Was Not Informed of the Projected. Bargain. t% Colonel Pelton appeared yesterday morning before the sub-comnmiittee on the cipher telegrams only a quarter of au hour late. He looked outwardly placid and his tceth seemed clinched with the firm ce- termination to go calmly through a decidedly trying ordeal. That no little mental excitement seemed to work in him could be easily yathered from the half nervous, halt suppressed air of stolidity with which he first shook hands with his republican foe and prospective bitter cross-examiner, Mr. Hiscock, as he passed the committee table to take his seat, and then quietly saluted the democratic members. Colone, Pelton first” looked grimly at the gallant host of about twenty reporters, whose lynx eyes were keenly watching every varying expression of bis counte- mance, and after a while his stiffly drawn features re- axed into a faint smile as he observed the double- * sharpened pencils swoop down with one accord upon the twenty note-books lying upon the long reporters’ table. There was a tedious pause of about ten min- utes before Mr. Reed, of Maine, arrived, ond during this wait Colonel Pelton kept twitching at his beard, which is quite a habit with him. Mr. Hiscock, of ‘New York, during the opening of the examination intended to indicate very clearly that he Gid not ‘consider tho preliminary formality of the slightest importance, for he kept a morning paper be- fore him. The members of the committee twitted each other on the personal descriptions given by the newspapers of their appearance yesterday. The wide publicity given by the morning jeurnals to tho in- vestigation and the prospect of hearing the version of the democratic can@date’s nephew of his connec- tion with the cipher despatches had attracted a throng of spectators and the room was densely crowded all day long. Yesterday ‘Secretary John Bigelow and Corporation Counsel Whit- Bey were among the early comers and Mr.. Watterson, of the Louisville Courier-Jour- nal, was also an interested looker-on. * Ex-Goy- _ @rnor Rice, of Massachusetts, and many other well known men dropped in during tlie course of the day. COLONEL PELTON’S TESTIMONY OUTLINED, Colonel Pelton’s testimony was given by him in + an apparently frank and straightforward manner, though he occasionally seemed perplexed, pondered and hesitated. He has aloud; hard and rather grat- ing voice, and delivered his answers with a quick, Jerky, nervous utterance, which often jumbled his words go as to render them partially inaudible. Colonel Pelton’s tone in replying to the questions propounded to him during his examination-in-chict ‘was loud and emphatic, as though he wanted all the . World to understand that he was perfootly ready to answer evtry query put by the committee, He sat easily, either throwing one leg over the other facing the chairman, or picking his teeth, or blinking his eyes herd—which is one of his peculiar habits—as he kept examining the photo-lithographed copies of the cipher telegrams and fhe 7ribune compilation before him. Sometimes Colonel Pelton’s blunt con- fessions were of such astounding frankness as to elicit an audible whisper and commotion—what the French call a “sensation’’—nmony the listeners, Colonel Pelton’s ‘loud voice sank very low, and his gasy, nonchalant attitude changed very perceptibly when Messrs. Reed and Hiscock, the republican mem, bers, took him in hand and subjected him to one of the most merciless cross-examinations ever heard in ® committee room. These two keen crose-question- ers evidently started out with the determined pur~ pose to tear Colone! Pelton’s testimony to picces, arti to literally not sleave a shred behind worthy of credibility. The respective “points”. scored by the republicans and the democratic members of the com- mittee elieited such loud applause on the part of the asuditorp as to turn, for a time, the cros#-examination into a regular theatrical exhibition. * THE BALL OPENED, Colonel Pelton stated his name; gave his age at sbout forty years, and bis residence as New York. He said, in reply to the chairman, that he had no strictly official connection with the cdmmittee, but had had charge of many matters with the acquies- cence of the committee. In reply,to further ques+ tions, he said he was a nephéw of the democratic candidate, ex-Governor Tilden; he had not Tetajned the ciphers agreed upon and did not recollect them; the few published despatches which he had seen and which had madean impression on his mind were “inaccurate” and “defective,” though, ‘as to “the substance of the matter involved,” they wero prob- avly “correct.” Q. What matter do you speak of ? A. The negotia- tions in referonce to tho returning boards in those Btates. @. Yor what purpose did these gontlenten, the vis- {ting statesmen, as they were called, go to South Car- olina and Florida? A. They went there to see that the returns from the precincts were properly made up and that the returning boards gave the certificates Yn accordance with tho votes of the people. Culonel Pelton said, in reply to further queries, that Mr. Smith Woed was one ot the geatlemen who ‘wont South; he yee ih Sos Corer some days; Sad'iboes for Mr. Pelton wore uldroneed to Me. these Havemoyer, but were not road by the latter, a» id not possess the key; they were sent by Mr. Have- Meyor to Mr. Pelton at the committees rvoms in the Everett House and thore translated. Colonel Pelton Suswered the telegrams that wero addressed to Mr, Lay teoee a Q jous followed relating to the translation of many of the Florida despatches, One ot them, by Coyle, asked for adratt of $500 for Manton Marble. Mr. Pelton being askod if he knew anything about it, aid “It may have been very possibly recetved, the pany, for travelling expenses down there,” tho Sdiivery or the words “very poesibly,’ Qvionel Pelton’s eyes blinked particularly hard, “NOT QUITE CkIreaIN Anour rt.” The chairman continued to ask aliout other Florida der) ‘hes addrersed to him, signed by Marble or ,» Without Py Ae, grey at all, and only olicited tho reply:--"Idon’t know anytlung about them.” The Dext despatch, sent by Coyle to Henry Havemoyer, “he also know nothing about,” although he remem- bderod that the request contained in it of sending one Lawrence P. Mayne down to ‘Tallahasseo was com- lied with. ‘The examination as to the next despatch Biicited inadvertont laughtor trom the same indis- apectators. Tho despatch referred to was dated w York, signed Deumark, and addressed to Manton Marble, fallanasseo, Bdvinod by Judyo Ashbel Green that you soe A. H. - Colo.” W. ‘no oat ee anything about 9 despatch Coionel Pelton replied in the tive, le was thon asked whether he was in tho habit of teleyrephing under the signature of “Denn ” He lerod in a visibly perplexed mannor pnd then uite certain about that,” at Bites Kemi “Tam Ke on which wore a few lot we. Hi Bs to wuethwe the despatch we tp hin handwriting, ; and said ho believed not— it seemed to be in the hand: EE rent rogsek rife! 1 Color in now poin' out some j; fu tho next translation of -w despatch, exclaimine, with a light touch of indignation, “This only shows Row inaccurate the translations are!” the repil Members protesting, at the xame time, that Fors wero only minprintss . Then came inore of Voyle’s Florida despatches ad- —- ed tusk ‘be, a nea eee: not ‘“s fymem! 04 oaburseunente mada by isn, a, treasurer of the National Commifgee, and called at- tention to the tact the auc asked for in the ci des) es (which were small, ran; trom: ~ to $: evi Deen furni 5 the despatch the Word ‘Moves’ occurs (transisted “Manton Marble’ nd General Hunton, the chair- man, asked dryly:—“Do you know who Mowes is?” Eaaphtee) * ‘ Colonel Pelton-—No, sir. (Laughter.) Colonel Pelton recognized another of the de- tches from the two words “Parris” and “relia- ” Parris was one of the gentlemen sent South and was a reliable man. Other despatches were rec- ognized by him on examining the photo-lithographed copies as being tn Mr. Marble's handwriting ; another was identitied by him by the expression, “Children of Israel;"’ two others were signed Woolley in the translation; one was recognized by the witners as being in Woolley’s handwriting, but the other, Colonel Pelton said, was not Woolley’s. Mr. Reed seaieiaed that they were both in the same hand- writing. “My opinion, of course, is no better than anybody else's,” said Colonel Pelton nonchalantly, ‘in regard to the handwriting; I don't think they ere in the same handwriting, myself.” MARDLE'S TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLAB PROPOSI- TION. ‘The chairman called Colonel Pelton’s attention to one of the most striking Tallahasseo despatches, signed in the translation Marble, and translated as follows:—‘Colonel Pelton, 15 Gramegey Park :—Have just received a proposition to hand over at any hour required Tilden decision of Board and certificate of Governor for 200,000, Marble.” Colenel Pelton said he remembered that such # proposition had been received, but whether in the precise words of the despatch or not he could not say; there was a despateh stating that amount; he understood at the time that Marblo had transmitted the proposition. Q. ‘Lo this despatch, it appéars, you rent a reply :— “Proposition tqo high?” A. I only remember that I declined the proposition; I don’t know whether in those words or not, Q. Exactly what answer did you make to that do- spatch? A. I don’t know whether a despatch in those words was sent him or not, but I did send a ‘despatch declining tho proposition immediately. Q. Do you recollect anything else? A. I think I said it was too much, too high, or sometiiing of that kind. . Mr. #pringer—Mr. Pelton, you received this de- sputch irom Mr. Marble, and before transmitting the answer did you communicate the fact of the receipt of the despatch and its contents to any person, and, if so, to whom? A. No, sir; to no one; LI acted en- tirely on my own responsibility about it. ‘Mr. Huriton—When you were acting on your own responsibility was it as an olficer of the democratic party or in any other official capacity? A. Not in any official capacity; 1 had no power to bind the com- mittee. Mr. Springer—After you sent the despatch declin- ing this proposition did you at any time commmni- cate the fact of the receipt of the despatch or its con- os is to any person? A. I don’t remember any; no, sir. A YRANK CONFESSION. * In reference to the next Tallahassee despatch with- out a signature, saying that the “plan” ‘must be sted on immediately,” and the succeeding one, by ,” reducing the amount of the proposed bribe to $50,000, Colonel Pelton said that he understood “the certificate could be had for $50,000." “Fox,”” he understood, was Woolley. The reply from New York Telegram received. . Wil deposit dpllars agreed. You cannot, however, draw before vote member received,” and Colonel Pelton suid frankly, “A despatch was sent by me of this import; whetner it was in these words or not I cannot remember.” Q. (after a whispered constiltation between the Chairman aft Mr, Springer). Mr. Pelton, did you consult dnybody before you made this reply? A. No, sir. Q. Did you make it upon your own individual re- sponsibility? A, Upon wy own individual responsi- bility. (his was said in é tone of marked fearless- ness.) Q. Did you inform rg kena of having received such a proposition or of haying rejected it? A. No, sit; nobody. Q. No one knew anything about it ?_ A. No one. Q. Had yon made any arrangements by which the $50,000 was to be raised ? A. No, sir; I had made no arrangements whatever. Q. You then relied entirely on arrangements to be made? A. Yes, sir. Mr. Sp: pr—Was the amount $50,000? A. That was the aifount of the proposition I undgrstood hud been made. . Colonel Pelton remembered that Woolley had sent some telegram requesting him to select some agent in whom he had more confidence than himself. Tho inaccuracies of the originals and the translations of the cipher despatches as published by the Tribune here became very apparent. In w single despatch (No. 57) there wore ngjlexs than three mistakes. A photo-lithgraphic copy of the original showed that the date had erroncoualy’ beon printed December 3 instead of 4, the word “State” instead of States, and the word ‘tone’ omitted. The translation now corrected read ag follows Froposition received either giving vote pne republican of board or his coneurrence in evurt action preventin elector's vote from being east for hulf hundred best Unit Btates documents. MARBLE. For 830,000 United States bonds, The writing was identified by the witness us. being Mr. Marble’s, and Colonel Pelton admitted that there was a despatch received from him transmitting such legram New York that a member of the.Florida board would ive the democrats one vote. “That being the case," fe said, “of course it was not necessary to use any money.” ; Colonel Pelton also remembered that somebody sent the following despatch, but he eonld not tell whether it was sent A Seige or any body else:— “Manton Marble; Tall: . Proposition accepted it done only at once; better consult with Woolley and act in concert; you ‘can trust him; time very importunt and there should be no divided councils;”” he made the same reply in reference to several succeeding despatches, reiter- ating frankly that the assent to the bribery proposl- tion was given here by telegraph. Colonel Pelton now said he desired to add something explaining why he received and acted on these propositions. What follows he uttered abruptly and jerkingly, while pull- ing out a piece of elastic, and in the middle ot the ‘ion he rier ee fo mething that seemed to nd halt a = before the National Democratic Committee, and let it take what action it thought proper; that was my only intention about it, aud in the meantime my intention was to thoroughly commit these men (after pause, and with that peculiar sigh); then 1 had an- other ‘idea, that although I sent the answer to them in decisive terins, even if not carried ont, there might be chances in our favor; sirable; I took the view thi terest of the party to do it, and I did it without con- sultation with any party and without the advice of any one.” ‘This painful statement was listened to in profound silence, THE SOUTH CAROLINA DESPATCHES, ‘The chairman having now disposed of the Florida telegrams turned to the South Carolina despatches, the substantial authenticity of which Coloriel Pelton frankly admitted in the same general way. His reply as to the very first telegram from Weed, asking “if @ few dollars can be placed in Returning Board to be sure, what say you?” was the key to his subsequent answers as to all these despatches genorally—namety, that while he could not remember the wording, yet he recollected that there were several despatches re- ceived by him from Weed and replied to by him in reference to propositions of the turning Board to sell out the electoral vote of Florida. ‘The subse- quent stages of the South Carolina — negotia- | tions, as revealed in Weed's telegrams ask- | ing ‘for a deposit of $10,000 to buy, up the Keturnin, rd, inquiring if the amount miybt be rai: to. $50,000, were all corroborated by Colonel Pelton, and he admitied that Lis reply, “You can go to fifty if necessary,” was substantially cor- Pot, Colonel Eoltoy wont oa Spy Re ‘eed's turther despatch ising the amount ot the pro- posed bribery to bo ax well as fo the precaution to be used in order that the Board should not be paid before its yote was insured. The entire story ot the South Carolina bribery was substantially condrmed by Colonel Pelton, and then the matter of the Balti- more meeting between Pelton and Weed and the breaking up of the transaction through Governor Tilden’s and Mr. Cooper's refusals was entered into by General Hunton. ‘Colonel Pelton waid that he went to Baltimore, but took no money with him except his travelling ex- penses; hoe met Mr. Weett at Baltimore; before goin, the only communication he had was with Mr. Coope: when he met him inthe hall of Governor Tien “house; he told Mr. Cooper about the correspondence with Mr. Weed, and said he was going down there to seo what there was in the matter. VERNOL TILDEN'S VETO. Q. What did $ou say to Mr. Weod about the propo- sition that had teen transmitted? A. [told him it cond not be carried out; that the money could not be raised; before seeing him [ received two telegrams, one from Mr, Cooper and one trom somebody that I understood to represent Mr. Tilden-—I do not think it was signed by him--saying that the thing must stop, and that I must return home at once, Q. That was from Governor Tilden? A. Yes, sir. Q. What did Mr. Cooper say ? A, His telegram Was that the money could not be raixed; I found out afterward that ho talked to Governor Tilden about it in the morning; I batt tokf Me. Cooper, before going. of the propositions Mr, Weed had transmitted; { juontioned the amount, and said that I might need some money; after receiving the two tclograms in Baltimore 1 tuld Mr, Weed that the matter was all up, pms bang Mr. Weed aud I camo back to New York tu» gether. * Q. Did you discuss the matter afterward with Gov- ernor Tilden? A, Not to any extent; he expressed hitmself to me the morning alter I yot back in very emphatic language, condemning the attempt to as sont to such oy sy 8; he mado one or two em- hatic remarks to®he extent that it was something had no business to do, . Mr. Hiscock—Did he make the emphatic remark that you had no business to doit? A, Well, Tcan’t repeat the wordy; I never had told him about it, but I knew he disapproved of what I did just as well before I did itas afterward; he knew nothing moro about it than you do; he did not know even, 1 think, that I was ont of town until the next morning. General Hunton—Now, Mr. Pelton, we will go across to the Jaci Have you not testified before the Oregon commission? A. Yes, sit; there is noth. ing that [ testified to thon that Icannot repeat now vo tr as Loan remerabor, MUCH APO ADOUT NOTING, Q. 1 believe you stated before the Senate commit. ton that you wore secretary of the National Demo- cratic Committes, while a little while bas said that you did not cooupy that position ? that I the position of acting eperery ie fe National but really I was not acting as 4 ‘Mr. Pelton wae here asked to look at his testimony given before the Senate comm-‘tee, when Mr. ringer suggested that it was useless to take up the ine of the committee in questioning Mr. Pelton on the same subjects which he had testified before the Senate committee, as it was very voluminous apd evidently covered the entire ground. He therefore eres that the committee incorporate the printed mony of Mr. Pelton with its report. - Mr. Reed replied that it might be well to give Mr. Pelton the benetit of his sent recollection in regard to the. seeming contradiction aboye alluded to as to his being Secretary of the onal Committee. The witness intimated that if Mr? Reed wanted to interro- gate him on the subject he would seo that his expla- nation of his connection with the national party was perfectly consistent with. the facts, At the reyuest of Mr. Hunton the witness read an extract from his testimony before the Senate committee, which set forth, in substance, that he was the de facto Secretary of the National Democratic Committee, but not act- ing officially in that capacity. Colonel Pelton was now examined abont the Oregon cipher telegrams, but nothing new was elicited, so that Mr. Springer bag suggested that it was unnecessary to examjne ir, Pelton as to the mutters he had already testified to beiore the Senate commitiec, but Mr. Reed ex- pressed his belief that the examination should pro- ceed, saying that there were some things which the witness did not know when he was before the Senate committee which he appeare:l now to remember. TRE OREGON CIPHER DEXTROYED. General. Hunton ‘requested the witness to look at copies uf several Oregon cipher despatches, and asked whether he recognized them. The wituess re- plied that it was probable that despatches of the same Gregon ciphers had been destroyed he’ could not Pan ad these shown or even sho substance of hem, General Hunton—Look at the telegram to J. K. 8 proposition. Another despatch, addressed to the Hon. Manton Marble, was in the “translation” erroneously nd-- dressed to CW. ‘woley. Pelton recollected that such a teley deen sent. It was rumored in Kelly, without a signature; do you‘ recognize who sent it? A. No, sir, Q. It has been attributed to you; do you recognize it as your telegram? A. No, sir, Edo not. Q. There were a great many telegrams addressed to you to No, 15 Gramercy Park; did you receive them all there? A. No, sir; I received nearly all of them at the committee rooms in the Everett House, where I was spending the most of my time. + Q. Was Mr. Tilden ccgnizant of your negotidtions in regard to the Returning Boards? A, No, acteu without the authority of Governor Tild the national committee in attempting to purchase | the Returning Boards. ‘This ended the direct examination of Colonel Pel- ton, and, having by this tims yot somewhat used to the ordeal, he turned round, with a smile, to Mr. Reed, who opened avery searching and merciless cross-exumination, id THE CROSS-EXAMINATION. In reply to Mr. Reed's first queries Colonel Pelton replied that during this telegraphic correspondence he ssid that he resided in Governor Tilden’s bouso 15 Gramercy Park; he had no regular business im his attention, and devoted, at the time, all his attention to election matters. Q. Prior to this political engagement of yours what was yor business? A. For two years previous to that I was at Albany with the Governor, Q. You were a man ot small means in your own ‘A. (after # pause of perplexity). That depends upon what you call small means. (Laughter.) ‘Objection was made by Mr. Springer to this line of questioning as to the witness’ means, and Mr. Reed stated that his object was to show that Colonel Pel- ton himself had no means to carry out his bargains as to such large sums of money as $40,000. “I can save. you trouble entirely about that,”* Colonel Pelton jerkily exclaimed. “Excuse me,” retorted Mr. Reed, “I don’t want to save trouble. I want you to answer my questions,” “I will simply say.”’ returned Colonel Pelton, “that I did not have sufficient means to carry out cither one of these transactions.” Q. And that was well known among your corre- spondents? A, Yes, sir. 'Q. Did you see Weed before you went down to Bal- timore? A. I had an interview with bim. Q. Did you have any conversation with him ? A. Isaid Thad an interview. Was not that a conver- sation ? . . (petulantly). Don’t let's have any quibbling; let's have a plain, straightforward answer? A, (stol- idly). Yes, sr. ‘ Mr. Springer objected to this method of examina-. tion, applying the word “counsel” to Mr, Reed. “If you are occupying such a position,” retorted Mr, Reed, “don’t attribute it to us, please. No, sir; we are all gentlemen bere, engaged’ in searching for the trath and justice and all that sort of thing. (fhis was said with a mock seriousness that clicited laughter.) At any rate let us keep up the talk about it as if it wero su, all the same, you know. It don’t fool anybody, yon know, but, it’s just as well to do 80.” ST he Q. Was there anything said by you to Mr. Weed about a cipher? A. Oh, yes. ‘TRIPLE PRECAUTIONS. Q. Why did you have the despatches sent toMr. Henry Havemeyer? A. (openly). To imsure greater rivacy. both ‘You took the precaution of domble ciphers, a substitution and a transposition cipher, and the third procaution of having sent the telegrams to Mr. Havemeyer’s hose? A. Oh, well, the two ciphers were the saine thing. Q. (unctuously). You intended to correspond with ‘r, Weed’ on something you wanted to keep very secret? A. No more then any other. ‘This reply did not pleago Mr. Ieed,, and he reiter- ated it three times, but with no better result. @. Give us the language you used when “you gave Mr. Weed the cipher? “A: I don’t remember what ‘was said, Q. Who got up the cipher? A. I don’t remember; I think it was gotten up that day or the day before: Idon’t know who was present when We got 1t up at the Everott- House; b.can't tell whether 1 or he got it up; can’t tell exactly when it wes gotten up. Q. You did not got it up before the elegtion? A. I suppose not. ‘ Q., Then Mr. Weed must have been mistaken when he daid it was used before election? A. I may be mistaken about my impression about it. Q. (drily). Had you had any experience before in the inanutacture of ciphers? (Laughter.) A. I think I have invented some before; Idon't know whose suggestion the transposition or the substitu- tion cipher was; I had an understanding with Weed of what “U.S. best documents’ should mean; we had words for “dollars” and for all the numerals; I can’t remember in whose handwriting the cipher was, whether in mine or in Mr. Weed’s or in that of any clerk; Mr. King, one of the clerks, might have copied it. Q. Have you not examined the translations of these cipners to see whether they were correct or not? A. (lightly). L don't mean to’ say that they were cor- rectly translated; I havo examined the translations, but can’t tell whether the keys to the Florida and South Carolina ciphers were the same. AN IMMORAL TRANSACTION. Mr. Reed—Here is a traneaction over which moral- ists are considerably exercised. Hore is a publica- tion which has been before the world tor four months, and you mean to say you have not carefully examined it? : Colonel Pelton (stumblingly)—Well, I don’t see how—— (Laughter.) Mr. Reed—Well, Governor Tilden gave you a rating for it, Mr. Cooper has expressed his state of feclings about it, the community has had something to say about it; now do you mean to say that under these circumstances when these dexpatches were published to the world you did not caretully examine them to see how tar the extent of your guilt, it you were guilty, had been discovered ? Colonel Pelton's face reddened slightly, but ho re- mained unmoved under the stings of Mr. Reed's re- sarcasm, and insisted that he did not believe to the Florida and South Carolina ciphers were the same. There was much wi ling about this point, but with no better result. Colonel Pelton was closely questioned as to how ho gave the ciphers té Marble, Coyle, Wooley and to the other democratic agents, but said he did not remember, Mr. Reed—You are not concealing anything fro: us, Colonel Pelton? A. Oh, no. (Langhter.) 4. You are telling us the entire truth? A, You don’t think I'd tell you anything ele? (Langhter.) Q. Lonty want to know if it's 60, Yott will seo the reason why I put the question by and by. Colonel Pelton only siniled in reply. Mr. Reed now wanted to know how Colonel Pelton understood Weed's telegram saying, “If a few dol- lars can be placed in Returning Board to ineure, what say you?” and he replied that he took it “as a notii- cation that the Board was purchasable.”” Hero, #8 well as. all through the crose-examtn- ation, ‘the witness was sharpiy attacked by laMr. ‘Reed and scalously protected tho Chairman, General Hunton, and Mr, Springer. The Chairman reproved Mr. Reea several times for putting replies improporly into the mouth of the witness, interrupting Lim in the middle of his an- awers, imputing to him what ho did not say or moan, Mr. Reod’s attitude toward Colonel Pelton and his manner of cross-questioning was ono of intense irony. The crovs-cxamination was also interspersed with sarcastic flings between Messrs. Roed and Springer, the republican member trom Maine, charg- ing “Brother Springer,” as he sarcastically called bits, with trying to prevent the truth from coming out. Mr. Reed—I have given up all hope of convincing you that any of the evidenco wo are trying to bring out is of any importance. (Slight applause.) Mr. Springen—Lam sure nobody but the gentleman from Maine would remember exactly the words of a cipher telegram two years after he had received it. it, Reod—I am sure if Thad been ony: in such stransaction I should have recollected something besides what has already been publishod in the Triune. (Foot taps of applause.) aid gay | “YOUR UNC Q. (with mock serioumes*)—Now this tel m contaiuing this suggestion of a transaction ot Dearabic wickedness, from your ie it view, asking “if @ few dollars can placed wi this shown by you to your unele (the word “uncle” rononnced with satirical wnetion)? A, (curtly)--I Pave tostified before that it wasn't. Q. You only testitied generaily about not showing your uncle (pronomnced in the same satirical way, telegrams containing suggestions about these wicked transactions; but Lask you now about this particu- Jar one. You did not show him this because it was about a transaction about which you feared that he would ropudiate it and you? “Laughter.) A. 1 did not show it to him, Q. You did not communicate to your uncle the fact that you were engaged in this ‘telegrapltic corre- spondence on the subject of unbearable wickedness? A. No, sit. ‘ 'Q. Have you ever tried to resuscitate this cipher from the people you gave it to? A. 1 have not, sir. Q. You felt it was not worth while after such & camel to strain at @ few gnats? ter.) A. i the olphers dia’ ‘aot oe to Those who made out ‘Mr. Hoed™-Oh, no; they got along very well with- need any assistance. import miht have been received by him, but as the | out that. Here there was another wrangle, and Mr, Reed said, sarcastically : amination, you Bee, Wo want to get at the little of truth that had been forgotten in the search for truth on the other side. We want to get together the disjecta membra of the virgin truth.” The words “The expense of what you do will be met” in one of the telegrams were referred to by Mr, steed in one of his questions aa immoral. Colonel Pelton evaded the question as to whether he thought this was immoral. * decline to commit yourself to the term said Mr. Reed, triumphantly; “that’s right.” CONSULTING HIS UNCLE. Q. Yon did not show that despatch to your uncle? A. No, sir. Q. That was on account of those wicked words, You felt that you could go on and buy a State cr two without consulting him? A. I felt that I could go or by myself Q. You consulted your uncle about innocent mat- ters, did you? A, Yes, sir. Q. You’ consulted him’ about everyting except what the world calls immoral? A. It was very sel- dom that Governor Tilden saw these cipher telegrams at all, or their traneactions, but often thecontents of despatches were conumunicated to him, Q. He never happened to cal! for any of thone wicked ones? There was no answer to this. Q. Did he ever ask you, “What is the latest from Marblo?” A. He certainly did, and he got informa- tion on general subjects, but not on any of these subjects. Q. Did you receive a despatch saying, “If Return- ing Board can be procured absolutely will you de- sit $30,0002" A, Yes, sir; L received a despatch of that character. Q. Did you show that to your uncle? A. No, sir. Q. Was not this rather important, that a State could be got for $30,000? You had never been in the business of buying ‘States before, hod you? A. Noy sir; I have not dono'it now, either. (Laughter.) ‘hat was the first offer yon had received of a State, was it not? A. I suppose it was, Q. Now, did notsuch a tact as that make an im- pression on your mind? (Langhter.) A. It made an impression, otherwiso I would ‘not remember it now. 9. You kept that entirely within your own breast and never communicate! it to any living soul? A. (after pondering long). No, sir; Ididn’t consult any one about these things. Q. Do you remember receiving a despatch contain- ing the words, ‘Shall I increase to $50,000 if re- ‘quired to make sure?” A, Of that churacter—yes, sir, Q. Did you take psins to keep, that from your uncle? A. Yer, sir. Q. Wh: particular paing id you take? A, I kept it out of sight; I retained these despatches for a little while and then destroyed them, MR. COOPER'S PARTICIPATION. Q. Did you tell Mr. Cooper when you went to Bal- timore that yon wanted $0,000? “A. I made the statement that I might want money. Q. Did you think he would send it? A. I was sat- isfled that he might do it; Icould not tell; it woull depend altogether upon circumstances. Q. What was thore im his’ reply to give you that impression? A. I don’t remember anything about it. * @. Well, now, come: you didn’t take it for granted that Edward Cooper was going to furnish you with $30,000 withont some words that he was going to satisty you? A. Idid not ask him tor an answer; I simply said that I might need money. Q When you informed Mr. Cooper of the pla, Mr. Cooper divapproved of it, said it was bad, and, besides, could nut be done? A, Yes, sir. Q. State what words of indignation Mr. Cooper used when he objected to the plan ‘after he found it could not be done. A. I don't remember. Q. After receiving a pointed relmke trom your uncle in regard to South Carolia, he allowed you to have the same charge over these matters as before, didn't he? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did Mr. Cooper consider it an immoral transac- tion? xf Mr. Stenger—You want the witness to get into Mr. Cooper's breast and find out what he thought about it. Mr. Reed—Well, I rather think it would scatter Mr. Cooper; if he did that. (Laughter.) Q. Did Mr. Cooper object to the transaction because it was an immoral one or an unfeasible ne? A. I should say on account of both branches of it: he didn’t think it ought to be done; don’t recollect that he put in any stronger language. Q. You knew that your uncle objected to it on moral grounds, and that Mr. Cooper objected to it on moral grounds? A. Yes, sir, Q. Where, thep, did you expect to obtain the money for the Florida business? A. I expected when the matters culmimated to call the National Com mittee'to- gether, orus many of the members as I could suthmon, and lay the matter before them; I did not intend tw teil Governor. Tilden about it, but to tuke the respon- sibility of procuring the money myself; there was no necessity, however, for my calling the committee together, as a despatch came. from Florida statin, that it was too late; I cannot tell what time elap between the sending of my Florida proposition and the arrival of the telegram stating that it was too late; did not deposit the “dollar” as directed by a despatch sent December 4 on account of my roceiving the one saying it was too late. Q. “Russia” stood for Mr. Tilden in the cipher telegroms, did it not? A. (After some hesitation) Yes; I guess that was so. Q. One of these telegrams asks you to tell ““Russis’”’ to waddle “Blackstone the man who sent this thought everything was all right, I suppose? (Laugh- ter.) A. L cannot tell w! pag thought. t % BAe tell Mr. Til to je “Blackstone ?"* A. Tdon't know, 'Q. Then you don’t know whether he addled bim ornot? A. No, sir, 1do not; I don’t know what the words meant; don't think it has been discovered yet what they meant. Q. Didn’t you consult your uncle in regard to the nf ‘the despatch? A. I did not. Q. Was it on account of “Bolivia Lausa” that you 4id not show it to him? A. I never knew anything about “Bolivia Leura.”’ Q. Was anything around the premises named “Blackstone” that could be saddled? A. Yes, sir; Governor Tilden had a horse of that name. WHO BACKED PELTON? Q. And did the despatch mevn that Mr. Tilden was to take exercise on’ Blackstone? (Great laughter.) A. It might have been; I do not know; while these things were going on I did not give those people in Florida to wuderstand that I had someone to back ime; can’t say they so understood when they were talking about such large sums as $65,000 and $30,000; cannot say what they thought; they appeared to have confidence in my ability to carry out anything I might promise; don’t pretend to account for their thinking that I wae acting on my own responsibility ; don’t know that I_ gave Mr. Weed to understand that I was going to Bultimore with money in “three packs,” 6 suggested in his despatch; I telegraphed to him that 1 was going to Baltimore, but did not say that 1 would bring the money with me. Q. You say that you did not call the National Com- mittee together in regard to raising the Florida money? A. Yes, sir. Q. You only ealled Mr. Cooper together 7 (Langh- ter.) Did you go to Mr. Cooper's place of business to tindhim? A. No, sir; it wason a Sunday, and Mr. Cooper does not attend his place of business on Sunday. RUYING “WHOLESALE” AND “*RETAIL.”* Q. And did’ you consult Mr. Cooper about this transaction on a Sunday? (Laughter.) A. I did; did not carry out my intention of calling the committee ther about the $8,000, as the matter fell through 1 the next day; did not yet a letter from Mr. Weed about buying a colored elector in South Carolina; don’t know that I make any distinction between buying a returning board wholesale and buying only one elector at retail (laughter); do not think that I tried to conceal anything from Governor Morton when I was before the Senate Committee on Priv- iloges and Elections-in January, 1877. Q. When you were asked before that committee whether you had any knowledge of s despatch from a inan in South Carolina asking you if he wt lib- erty to pay $30,000 for an electoral vote What was youranswor? A. [think Isaid that Thad no jection of the cireumstance. Q. Doesn't that question accurately describe the peupoeis of Mr. ‘Weed made to you? A {Heattat- ingly) 1 don’t think. 3 ir) jon ot Mr. Weel rotated to an Senay dierent itter; when I paid I didn’t recollect I was not intentionally dodging the question of Governor Morton. Q. Then yon knew that the Governor wanted to find out whether you had been trying to bay a ro- turning board, and you mado # distinction between Dnying an cleetor and buying a returning board? (Laughter.) A. Ldou't know that I did. Mr. Reed now relented, and gavo the witness to his republican colleague, Mr. Hiscock. OCOLONRL PRUTON'S RRLATIONS TO GOVERNORS TILDIN. Q. How long have you lived with your uncle? A. About ten years. Q. When did you cease living with him? A. About tho middle of last 4Augnet, Q. In what capacity did you servo him? A. When ho became Governor I became his . Q. Before, that did you transact any business for him, or were you mefoly an inmate of his family? A. Oh, I transacted somo business for him. Q. Did you not occupy to him the relation of a A. Not quite that. Q. Very close to it? A. Well, not quite that. Q. It was everywhere understood when you were in Albany that you were the confidential and acercd- ited agent of Governor Tilden’ A. Yes, sir. Q. So much so that the general public understood that communications addressed to you were just like being addressed to the Governor? A. Yes, sir. Q. When you acted on the part of the National Jommittes was it not understood by them that you ted as the confidential agent of Governor Tildch? A. [suppose they thought so. Q. When you saw Marble and Weed about going South, did they not understand that you were seeing them in your character as the confidential agont of Governor Tildea? A. They know my relations to Governor Tilden, 9 ance requested them to go it was substan- =“. regarded ax 4 request from Governor Tilden? A, Woll, I had my own personal relations with Weed. Q. Do you suppose Mr. Weed would have gone South at your request if he had not understood your confidential relations to Governor Tilden? A. Per- haps not. WHAT WEED'S MISSION WAS, Q. What was Weed sent to South Carolina for? A. To watch matters generally and soo that the count was more, carried on. Q. Did not Governor Hampton and his friends suf- ficw for that purpose—could they not be trnsted to do that alone? A. Perhaps Governor Hampton could, but some of bis friends might not. Q. Give us their names? A. I don't remember them. Q. What! you don’t remember democratic states- men of note who were actually suspected of treason to their ? A. Thoy were local men only; it was feared t might gacrifico the national for the Btate ticket, _ Q Gternly and yohomently}—Colonel Pelton, was NEW YORK HERALD, FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 1879:~TRIPLE SHEET. 3 ed it not understood that Mr, Weed was to use money in influencing the couut in South Carolina? A. No, sir. You mean to swear to that? A, Yes, sir. if that was not hisamission why did you have ciphers for thousands? A. All the ciphers had words for thousands, Q. Would there have been necd for any cipher if that money was oply to bé used for legitimate ex- peuses? A. Yeo, air. Mr. Hiscocks alter much qnestioning as to who, outside of the witness and Mr. Weed, knew of the her, drew ont the fact that Mr. King, a clerk, was mly person. Mr. Hiscock expressed much in- ipher which was studiously secreted Mr. Hewitt and all the bers ot i 2 confided but the witness said there yfor having some persou th credulity that from Mr. Coope the National “4 existed a positive necessit to translate the ciphers. HIs GOOD FAITH TOWARD WRXD. Q. Did it occur to you that the National Committee might repudiate the bargain made by you and Weel? A. Ohi, yes, sir. jot carry it out? A. I took m mittes would approve my auction or net; 1 don’t think I was guilty of any bad faith, and I don’t think he thought so, Q. How did you expect this money to be raised? A. I thought it might be raised by the committee like the rest—by contribution. Q. Did you believe that prominent capitalists here would lend the money? A. I supposed that there were men who would be willing to do it, TUR MAN MOST INTERESTUD. Q. Did you not know that that money would have to be raised by the man most interested in it putting bis hand in bis pocket and taking the money out? A. No, sir, "Q. You had this interview with Mr. Cooper in the hall of your uncie's house? A. Yes, sir. Q. Your uncle and Mr, Cooper were on confidential terms? A. Yes, sir. Q, Did you caution Mr. Copper not to tell your uncle of it? A. I think I did. Q. Why did you tell him not to tell your uncle? A. Because I did not want my uncle to know it. Q. Did it occur to you that there was anything im- moral or dishonest in the transaction? A, No, sir; 1 didn’t think of that. Q. Wny didn’t you: want him to tell your uncle? A. Becausy I thought he would try to stop it. Q. Why? A. Because he niight think it was weong. Q. It never occurred to you how Mr. Cooper would look at i A, I did not consider that. Q. Mr. Pelton, when did it tirst oceur to you, with reference to your uncle's business and your patron’s business, to take such responsibilities? A. When Mr. Weed transmitted the first proposition. Q. You had always been dependent upon the Gov- ernor? Mr. Springer—Oh, Mr. Hiscock, don’t press that. Mr. Hiscock—I propose to show the relationship between this man and Governor Tilden, and thatit is absolutely absurd that his stéry can be true. I pro- pose to show that by his confessions before I get through. Q. Did it ever occur to you that you had no right to involve this gentleman in a transaction of this kind, involving a high crime and the rising of money to perpetrate it, without consulting him? A. [didn’t take that view of it, sir. Q. And when these propositions were presented to you it never oceurred to you that you were taking a grave responsibility acting on these despatches with no one in the world kuowing of it except youn; King, and committing your uncle's reputation anc his position by such an act as that? A. No, sir; I know I was taking a rather large responsibility. Q. Did you feel you were warranted in doing it? A, [think I was warranted in carrying it along as far as I did. - Q. Dia it occur to you that these large sums of money conld not be raised without Governor Tilden’s knowing it eventually? A. That never occurred to me; 1 don't see why it should. . Q. Did you think that there were patriotic demo- crats enough in this city to have raised these sums of money and to Reep it secret from the Governor ? A. I never said that they would raise it, but I took my —. Q. Did you expect when you went:to Baltimore that upon your despatch the money would come ? A Tisbouehe it possibly might; I didn’t expect it at all. ‘ Q. Do you mean to tell this committee that you went over to Baitimore, sent all these despatches, got Smith Weed there and got his man Solomon there upon 8 fool's errand, not expecting that Mr. Cooper would furnish that money? A, I took my chances on that. Q. What were the chances—one in ten? A, ThatI can’t tell. Q. Did you think Mr. Cooper would keep this mat- ter from Mr. Tilden when you asked him to? A. I thought he would. do you mean to say that you would have ‘0 yout that transaction, but would not have been willing to tell Samuel J. Tilden? A. Yep, sir. WAS NOT TALKED OVER WITH TILDEN. Q. Was not this matter fully talked of between you and your uncle, and was it not arranged that he shouid seem to have no personal knowledge of it, and it was thought best that you should take the responsibility of acting in the matter without com- municating with Mr. ‘THden, trusting to chances for the future? A. No, sir. Q. Here was a young man thst had gone to Balti- more expecting ‘there to consummate an arrange- ment by the paying over of almost a fortune for the oy of purchasing a Canvassing Board, and who flad'been ordered home in disgrace and was coming house again, again to'sit at his table and enjoy his patronage. (Laughter and cries of “‘Sermonizing!” from the democratic side. ‘Mr. Reed—It does seem mal-a-propos to deliver a moral lecture on this subject. (Laughter. ) Mr. Hiscock (coutinuing)}—Now, do you mean to say that under those circumstances you cannot re- peat the first conversation that you had with your ‘uncle on the subject? A. I cannot give the words; I can-only say that ho was very violent and con- demned the whole matter. Q. How soon after that was it that you telegraphed Mr. Marble that le might use money? A. Within fifteen days. Q. You telegraphed him that he could contract payment of « large sum of money—$50,000—in Flor- ida to debauch that Returning Board? A, I tele- graphed to him assenting to it; I expected to lay the whole matter before the committee. Q. How was that money to be raised? A: I ex- pected it wonld be raised by the committee. Q. Now, did you not know that there was just one person in the world that could raise the money, and that was the person who was interested in being President of the United States and that he couid oly raise it by paying it himself? A. I did not know t Q. After baving been rebuked once you yndertook to commit him to the purchase of a Returning Board in the State of Florida? A. I did it. Objection was made to the word “commit” in the last question, Mr. Reed—Oh, don’t let's have anything in calcu- lated to commit Mr. Tilden! ny way; let’s have that out. Q. You undertook the purchase of the Presidency for your uncle khowing that it was a thing which ho ‘was unwilling to have done? Objections from the democratic side. Mr. Springer—We understand that somebody has stolen the Presidency already. (Applaitse.) Mr. Hiseock—This investigation started ow origi- nally to try to prove that somebody stole the Presi- dency; now we are finding out that somebody at tempted to steal it and failed. (Applause.) ‘The applause by the audience was about equal on each side, and was very general. ‘The Chairman threatened to clear the room if it were repeated. Mr. Reed—Mr. Springer’s words sound like a sepul- chralecho. Lhave not heard that grand cry since tho investigation began. Q. You had s correspondence with somo. people in Oregon; how was the cipher established between you and Oregon? A. I think it was brought ti committee rooms here by a man named Day money sent to Oregon to my crelit came back again; the amount was $7,300; the object in sending it out there was to defray legal expenses that might be in- curred in preventing a fraudulent count of the State election; do not remember who it was sent to; my recollection of the matter is not good. Colonel Pelton had soveral times exwayed to con- sult the pages of the volume containing his printed testimony before the Senate committee, while Mr. Urscock had vainly tried to dixsuude him from so doing, at the same time appealing to him to answer his questions from memory. At length the patience of Mr. Hiscock became exhausted at the hesitating man- ner in which his questions were being answered, and he took the printed report out of the hand ot Colonel Pelton and laid it at one side out ot the latter’s reach. Mr. Hiscock then returned to the charge, with the pointed interrogatory—Did_ you procure that money to be sent to Oregon? A. 1 had some conversation with Mr. Jordan about it; the money was sent after a conference with him; I did not tell my wnele it bad been sent, becouse I thought he would not approve of it. “A DISHONEST PROCKEDING.”” Q. Did you not decline to tell your uncle becanse’ you thought it was a dishonest proceeding? A. I don't think Tam obliged to answer that question. At this point a brief discussion arose as to the ad- missibility of the last question, Mr, Springer claim- ing that it was unfair, It was, finally decided by the Chairman that the witness should answer the ques- tion, ‘The witness—I would rather say it in thi Mr. Hiscock: it answered yes of no. ‘The witness—I don’t think a man onght to be odliged to auswer the question in that torm; my reason for not telling my unclo was because T thought ho*would not consider it a proper thing to ay— do. Q. You thought he wouldn't think it honest? A. That may be a question of opinion; a thing may be improper and still be honest. &. Did you think he would consider it honest in you to have sent that mot ‘oF the purpose for which it waa intended? A, 1 don’t think it is a fair question; I refused to tell him, because it was not @ proper transaction. Q. Do you want to go upon the record as giving that us your only answer? A. 1 do; [understood that the money sent was intended to secure Gover- nor Tilden’s clection; did not understand that ail the talk about detraying legal expenses in Uregon was a subterfuge and mere fraud and humbug. Q. You didn’t suppose the money was to cover legal expenses, for, tt you did so, you might, per. haps, have told Mr. Tilden ot it? A. 1 might ‘have tokt him, Q. And becwuse you considered that it was being sent tor an illegitimate purpose you didn’t tell him; is that the reason? A. (After some deliberation}— Well, I thought he might not consider it a legiti- transaction. mate {. do that we have you hero e third time attompt- Be TE ing to contro! and purchase the Prosidency in the face of what you knew Mr. Tilden would disapprove ot? A. Yes, sir; I did not cousider my judgment ip the matter superior to that of Governor Tilden, but on the other. hand I did not consu!t him; I did not consider my judgment superion to that of Mr. Cooper or Mer. Hewitt or any other leading democrat; notwithstanding this L acted in these matters without consulting any one of them; expected the $8,000 advanced by Mx, Jordan tor Oregon to be raised by the members of the com- mittee; did not have the money myself to make it &! ordan advanced this money simply beeanse I was Governor Tilden’s nephew; do not know that Mr. Jorjan swore before the Senate comumittee that he adyanced this money to my credit; had an idea that I would afterward get the money from Mr. W. L. Scott. NOME HANSEL WORDS, Q. Will you swear that you were willing to get this money from :Mr. Jordan without knowing of any mewuns whereby you could pay it back, aud in that way attempt io swindle him? The word “swindle” evidently nettled Colonel Pel- ton, who drew himself stiffly up im hix chair and, looking fiercely at Mr. Hiscoek, replied, “You have no right to say that.” Mr. springer here came to the assistance of the witness by intimating that the ex- pression was a harsh one, Q. Didn’t you expect to get that $8,000 from your l*uncle? A. No, sir: Lexpected to pay it back through the sid of Mr, Scott; considered it likely that “Mr. Scott would raise the mouey and pay it himself. Q. Doesn't it look to you that, having no means of paying this money back when you induced Jordap to advance it, you were acting in a reprehensible and unjust manner? Mr. Springer here again interposed, saying that @ witness ought not to veasked to pass judgment on his own acts. This gave rise to a tilt between mem- bers ot the committce, atter which, the hour, beng now six o’clock and the session having already lasted over seven hours, en adjournment was taken until eight o'clock. , * THE RVENING SESSION. The evening session attracted quite a crowded house, and the doorkeeper, finding the applicants for admission too numerous for the capacity of the room, had to close the doors to all except the mem- bers of the press some minutes betore business commenced, Fully one hundred aud fifty spectators were crowded into the parlor, among whom were many active politicians, Attifteen minutes after the hour fixed (eight o'clock) tor the begiuning ot the evening session, Mr. Springer and Mr. Stenyer were Doth absent, but they entered together, and Mr, resumed his cross-exarination. Q. L understand you to say, Colonel Pelton, that you proposed to raixe this money through the wid of the Democratic Committee? A. Yes, that is what I proposed. A A Q. Then you intended to act in this mafter en- tirely independent of Mr. Tilden; in fact, you in- tended to make these purchases on your own re- sponsibility? A. Yes, so far as it lay in my power. Q. You did not intend to fool your friends in the | South? A. I intended to send the money if Icould raise it. Q. You proposed to raixe the money through some gentlemen weil known in the party? “A. Yes, through some geutlemen interested with the party. Q. Had you selected any particular gentlemen? A. Not specially. ‘i @. Lo whom would you have applied? A. Any one who happened to be there. Q. Name them? A. ‘Lo Mr. Cooper. IN SPITE OF HIS SCRUPLES, Q. What! after the South Carolina matter to which Mr. Cooper so strongly objected? A. Yes; even after that. 7, Q. How long do you expect it would have taken you to raise the money through the committee? A, Not very long? Q. How long? A. A day or two. Q. How long would they take to raise the money? A. Ido not know. Q. Do you think it would take a couple of days? A. Very likely. Q. That would be a day or two to get the commit- tee and then a day or two to get the money? aA. That is mere supposition on your part. Q. You were keeping close watch of aftairs in the South then? A. Yes, 1 watched them. Q. You ure modest, Colonel. Did you not watch them closely? A. Probably I did. Q. Then, of course, you knew that the Board would deciare the result on the Sth of December? A. I suppose I knew that fact. Q. You telegraphed acceptance to Marble on the 4th of December? A. Yes, I believe I did. -Q. How, then, were you going to get the money in such ashort time? A. I had no reason to doubt my ability to get it. : Q. Did you. not know it would take two’ days to raise it? A. No; that was your supposition. Q. You recollect that you sent the acceptance to Mr, Marble on the morning of the 4th of December? A. Ido not.recollect that; I only said that I believe I did. Q. Then was not the decision of the Board,to be on the 5th?" A. Yes. Q. How is it you reckon it at two days? A. Well, it would be the best part of two days. * Q. At what time in the day, having tel hed in the morning accepting the proposal, did you find out that the whole thing iad gone up? A. Ican’t say. Q. Was it in the morning? A. I can’t say. Q. Was it in the afternoon? A. I can’t Q. Between sending your acceptance and yqur finding out the futility of the arrangement, whos did you invite to the meeting at which you say you intended to arrange about the money? A. No one, NO EFFORT TO RAISE THE MONEY. Q. Did ycu, make no effort, then, to raise the money? A. None. Q. Do you expect us to—(here Mr. Reed paused ag if to select a word)—think that you were going to get this money for the committee? A. That is for you to ry: : Q. Do you say so? Notwithstanding the circum- stances which show that you had no adequate time— that you had spoken to no one abput the matter—yet you expected to raise this sum of money in this time? ‘A. It might not have been necessary to have & meeting of the committeo. , “That's what I thought, id Mr. Reed, trium- phantly, “That's exactly what I was trying to get at.” (Laughter.) “Well, I thought,” said the witness, ‘that perhaps the matter might be arranged by the members whe were here.” Q. Who were they? A. I have named them. Q. Name them again. A. There was Mr. Cooper. Q. Who else? A. Mr. Scott. Q. What reason had you for Lge vor that Mr. Scott would co-operate in # plot which your uncle had repudiated? A. None, Q. You didn’t know but that Mr. Scott was as good and pure a manas your uncle? A. I don’t want to make any comparison, (Laughter.)+ Q. Idon’t want you to make any comparisons in a general way; but in regard to this particular thing ou had no reason to suppose that your uncle was a tter man than he? A. No, sir. Q. What reason had you to suppose that Mr. Cooper would raise $50,000 to use in bribit a Ke- turning Board after he had virtuously repelled tue idea of doing it in another State? A. I had no good reason to think he would. * Q. What circumstance in his life led you to think he would do such a thing? A. None. ALL IN GOOD FAITH—NO WINKS. Q: Now I understand that the conversation you had with Mr. Cooper on the subject of the proposed action in South Carolina in which he reprobated it, was all in good faith. There was no wink or signifi: cant gesture passing between you? Ag didn't see any. Q. It was not understood that these words were to be spoken while exactly the opposite was intended? It was all in good faith, was it? A. It was, Q. Yet you accepted Mr. Marble’s proposition with the idea, you say, that you were to apply to Mr. Cooper to raise the money? A. 1 was going to lay the matter before him. Q. You had no other grounds for supposing ke would act in the matter than those you have stated? A. None. Q. Why did'nt you go to Mr. Cooper at once? A, I was waiting for further information, Q. What further information could you expect? You didn’ttelegraph for any, did you? A. I did. Q. What did you telegraph? A. I can't say now. Mr. Stenger then resumed his examination. To him the witacss said that at the time he telegraphed to Mr. Marble he did not suppose Mr. Tilden would furnish the money; he felt confident that bh ould not; there was no circumstance in Mr. Tilden's lite which woukl jead him to suppose that he would fare nish the money; there’were rumors afloat, about the time of the examination before Mr. Morton's com- mittee into the Oregon matter, that eflorts were | being made in South Carolina to purchase an elector, independently of the efforts to. purchase the Returning Board; the sending to South Carolina of Mr. Weed and the other gentlemen who went wasdone on account of the going to that State of certain gen-- tlemen on the other side, who were said to have . been requested by President Grant to go there; they (the democrats) were not sent there with any pur pose or idea of purchasing the Returning Board; Witness had no thought of anything of the kind until he learned that the other side was trying to buy it up, and that the Board was making overtures to sell out. TAR VICTIM OF TEMPTATION, “Then you were the victim of temptation, were you?” said Mr. Reed, and the spectators laughed loudly. Colonel Pelton laughed too, but a little Mepcees and he stroked his beard in silence, evidently think- ing Mr. Reed was not expecting an answer. Mr. Heed saw and evidently enjoyed his dixcomiiture, for he pressed the question, repeating it twico, until the wituess had to answer, “Well, the proposition was made to me and I enter- tained it,” suid Colonel Peiton at length. “I have no objection to your calling it being a victim of tempts tion if yon want to.” “Well,” said Mr. Reed, drawing a long breath, “I thought it might be a good word.” And again the crowd laughed ga? Mr. then finished the cross¢xamination, ag follows :— Q. ‘These men that you sent to the different States— Mr. Weed and the rest—were as good men as you had to send, were they? A. Yes, we sent the best menu we had in order to compare tw ly with the men who were sent on the other sid Q. They were the most reputadle men you had, then? (Laughter, amid which the witness’ reply was lost.) Q. Was it not a source of grief to you that so many gentlemen were falling into temptation? A. I object to that, Q. To find some gentlemen from all the States suc. cumbing to the temptation of the moment? A. 1? could uot prevent that, Q. Did you not remonstrate by telegraph ? A. No, sir. ‘@ It was tho dxpense, probably, that restrained you? A. It must have been, then stated that he had no further vues.