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‘THE SCARED MORMONS: 1 Agitationvin the Church of the Latter Day Saints. UNSAINTLY APOSTOLIC DENUNCIATIONS. Mormon Denials of the Mobiliza- tion of the Legion. CRIMES. TO BE PUNISHED. “Idaho Bill,” one of the Captive Children, Tells His Tale. TWO STARTLING LETTERS. Wife Taught to the Boy She Protected. epee What Lee's (BY TELEGRAPH TO THE HERALD.] Sar LAKE, U. T., May 16, 1877. Resenting the publicity given iu the HeRaup to their rebellious plans and purposes, the Mormon oriesthood assembled here in conference are play- ng a tremendous game of bluff, Their newspapers ind speakers have been instructed to deny the fact now so notorious that the militia are arming and drilling, under orders trom their commatiders, allover Utah, In a pubic meeting in the Taber- nacle Erastus Snow, one of the twelve apostles, wandeloyated to express the wrath and disgust of the Church ut the utterances of the HERALD. PREPARING THE GROUND. ‘The mind of his audience had been prepared tor ihe Apostie’s energetic utterances by a character. atic address trom Brigham Young, usual when ae wishes to arouse the zeal and fanaticism of his seople, and which aptly fllustrate’ the religion of hate, in which, on this occasion, he prophesied the speedy destruction of their enemies and that unt- versal dominion which the Saints are destined to Utain. FRIGHTFUL DENUNCIATIONS. Snow pitilessly consigned those peoples and relig- tons who oppose them to eternal damnation, and then rolling his tierce eye around ina vain search for your secluded correspondent he shouted:— “Put that down, seribblers! Teil the world that Elder Snow has been preaching treason and com- Passing the overthrow of Presidents, governments, kings, emperors and all other earthly powers. Put down some more of your lies. hypocrites! Tell how the Damites'and destroying angels are about to glut their revenge upon the Gentiles in this city and their only safety lics in secking refuge in the camp. Now, you lying scribblers of the New Yorx HeRALD, publish that Elder Snow preaches Weason to the devil if you please, you lyin; rites! Write more lies about the Mor. tell the truth. I wish, if they can’t tell the truth, they would try and tell a little of it; but to tell the truth would affect them like Sey oGe from a galvanic battery.’? Elder Snow had by this time lashed himself into a perfect rage, and the rest of the apostles turned and regurded him with much approval. Again he burst forth, saying:— “Now, let one who would be your friend give you a piece of advice. ¥ou lying scribblers are falsity- lug for the purpose of destroying the Saints, but you will not succeed. Truth will prevail. TO BE DUMPED, “We will live to see the downfall of lying serib- blers and ali our enemies, and the New York HERALD establishment will yet be dumped into the sea."” A SMILE THAT WAS BLAND. Brigham Young, who is a little bit frightened just aow, and did not wish to make such dreadful threats himself, smiled blandly on Apostie Snow as | he resumed his seat. A DENIAL FROM GENERAL WELLS, Last eveving I addressed to Daniel H. Wells, lieutenant general of the old Nauvoo Legion, and second counsellor to Brigham Young, the following uote:— Deak Sin—Is the report true that members of the Charch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, | especially those belonging to the old Nauvoo Legion, have resumed their arms and military driii in various parts of Utah within the last few weeks? The order issued by Colonel Duine | shows that some companics at least huve been commanded to put themselves in martial order, I am told that similar directions have been dissemi- nated throughout the Territory. Are you aware of the purpose for which Colonel Dame's order was issuedy Do you know what is intended by wilitia drills in Utah at the present time? is there, in your judgment, any ground lor the report that President Young or any other member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints would attempt resistance in an extremity to the operations of United States laws’ Very re- spectfully yours, Correspondent of the New York Herat, AL, WELLS’ RESPONSE. General Wells respon DEAK Stk—No order has been given for a muster of the iezion. There ts no intention on the part of Brigham Young to resist the laws, nor does anybody intend resistance to them on his benall, We should ve only too glad to see the laws enforced. Colonel Dame some time age expressed his desire to be re- lieved, and may be getting his command ready for his successor. Rexpecttully, DANIEL Tl. WELLS. A passage in General Wells’ note, which is some- what scarred by erasures, deprecates the atlach- ment of any belligerent meaning to the prespnt wilitary manceuvres, GOVERNOR EMORY'S OPINTO Governor Emory is not of General Wells’ opinion, duce he asks the Secretary of War to replenish the Cuited States garrisons in Utah with additional iroops. The Mormons continue to arm and aril, wihough they are uncertain when they may be called on to secure the safety of their chief. Their ignorance in this respect must needs be shared by everybody. YOUNG'S POSITION, Brigham Young's dilemma is understood by few except himsel! and the United States District At- torney. Itis generally supposed that if he ts in- dicted and tried at all it will be soiciy as an acces- sory to the Mountain Meadows massacre. If this were true he would be in no immediate danger, The Grand Jury in- the jacictal, district where the massacre Was committed, which alone could judict 1 aud as they’vo got it in the newapavers—lived in | . papa Sy will not mect ati next September in pepeer ‘ity, where Lee was convicted. 6. MEEFING OF THE GRAND JURY. L But it ts true a Grand Jury will meet on the 21st of this month im Salt Lake City, Wnosé business it will be to inquire into the facts concermng many dread- ful murders and assassinations, whose perpcetra- tors, although known to be Mormons, could acver be convicted by Mormon juries. Brigham Young nd other head men of, the Church are accused as instigators of these crimes, aud Young himself muy yet have to answer for the bloody deeds of his agents done long years ago in States were there are no fanatics of his faith to hang a jury, and where murderers are punished ac- cording to their deserts. COMPOSITION OF THE JURY. A cloud of witnesses will assemble here, and the Grand Jury of fifteen, of whom twelve can present an indictment, has forthe second time in the judi- celal history ot Utan Ouly three Mormons on its list. It will resolutery endeavor to indict Brigham Young and others for the erumes of which they are accused, and for that purpose it will sit if necessary untill September, . EVIDENCB AGAINST. YOUNG. The evidence against the Prophet accumulates, and if means are provited to secure the attendance of important witnesses he will be sorely beset. EXPENSES OP FEDERAL CIVIL, OFFICEIS. In this connection an erroneous despatch toa contemporary says there is no deficiency in the ap- propriation for the contingent expenses of the United States civil oMcers in Utah It is of the utmost importance that the facts sMould be explained. The Poland Dill, 4o Called and passed in 1874, gave the United ‘States courts exclusive jurisdiction in Yerritorial criminal cases and in all clvii cases, except divorce cases, ip which the county probate courts have concurrent, jurisdiction. The first Legislature demurred strongly to this action and re- fused to appropriate money to run the courts. The next Legislature made appropriations tor, judges, ¢lerks, jurors aud witnesses, but refused any appropriation for the United States Attorney and ‘United States Marshal. Conse- quently Cougress, for the fiscal year ending June 2Q, 1876, diverted the appropriation of $23,400, which was to defray the expense of the legislative session, and applied the same to the payment of court expenses. In May, 1876, Congress made an appro- Priation of $6,000 to supply a deficiency for the same purpose and in 1877 appropriated for another de- ficiency of $20,000, A further sum of $20,000 was. appropriated at the last session of Congress for judicial purposes in this Territory under the terms of the Poland bill for the coming fiscal year com- mencing July 1. APPROPRIATIONS OF THE LEGISLATURE. Daring all this time the only appropriation the Territorial Legislature hax mide 1s $11,000 for 1876, and site sum for 1877, to pay jurors, witnesses and clerks of the courts. The Legislature has Persiatently refused to pay the cost of serving pro- cesses, conducting cases in courts, subsistence and guarding prisoners iu cases: arising under the law of the Territory as well as all other cases. Under tyese circumstances the appropriations made by Congress were never sufficient. The United States officers have alwayé been crippled, and at this tine the funds on all acofdnts.are entirely used up. The oanloines.. fhe_greatess, jee and some’ ago gave notice of the exhaustion of money available for Territorial pur- Poses—that is, for the prosecution of murders, thefta and crimes generally under territorial laws. In spite of all this the United States District Attor- ney and Marshal intend to find a way to get ahead, STARTLING REVELATIONS. BEMARKABLE EVIDENCE OBTAINED BY OUR SPECIAL SALT LAKE COMMISSIONER, Sar Lake City, May 8, 1877, The smoke of the sacrifice at Mountain Meadows, which has long bung like a pall over Southern Utah, 18 gatherimg about tho root of the Lion House at Salt Lake City. Written proof that Brigham Young directed the massacre to be contnitied is not soreadily obtained as testimony tbat he Was an accessory after the fact, The staiemerts which I transinit to you in this letter, new and starting as some of them ure, must be recoived with agreat many grains of allow- ance for tho fluepey and the reputation of the <wit- nesses, GAARULOUSNESS IN PRISON. Gilman, whose notoriety outside of Utah consists in his recent discredited affidavit against District Attor- ney Howard and Marshal Nelson, has again visited mo avd given the following version of what he alleges Lee reau {rom manuscript and said to him at the Utah | Penitontiary :- “Mr Dam said Lee, “had bis orders from | | Brigham Young to put ail the emigrants to death ex. cept tho small children, who wouldn't be abie to testify or do apytbing about it.’ Lee added that Dame told bim that if ever he should be pushed he would produce Brigham Young’s lotter, aud tha: Mrs. Haight had also assured him (Lee) that it ber husband should be arrested and brought to trial she would ex- | pose a paper in ber possession showing who ordered | the massacre. LOST PAPERS IMPLICATING BRIGHAM, I will say in this conuection—all I um permitted to say at present—that this statement treuches closo bpon sone fucts whtch nave lately come to the kuowl- edge of ihe federal authorities. “Why,” reads Lee's suppressed manuscript, accord. ing to Gilman, “why was sy favored by Brigium Young after tho massncree if he did not, as be assured | me he did, approve of 11? He assured ine solemnly that I had spilt no innocont blood, He gave me three wives, I sat with him in the pulpit, frequeutiy, av Beaver, and he continued to treat me affectionately, addressing me alwaysus ‘Brother Leo?’ He habit. ually stopped at my house. He mado,me Probate Judge of Washington county. He promised me during my trial that I should be saved. Se told Rachel at Beaver to arge me to ‘stand firm and uot a hair of my hoad should be barmed!’ He went so tar at one time as to say tbat if | wanted to | could be my own jailer, If 1 am todie now tt will be tor two reasons—first, becauso my papers, including some which directly implicate Brigham Young in the direc. | tion of the massacre, wero stolen from my piace at Lovely Dell forry (a remote habitation m Arizona at the junction of the Valireah aud Colurado rivers,—lv, Henan), and, next, because Brigham Young will, at the last moment, prove false to every promise he has made ne, He not only dictated the destruction of the Arkansas emigrant trai, but shared in the plunder, } Among other things 4 carriage belonging to (hat tran was taken to Salt Lake City, and was in lis possession | for years." 1 now come to the statemont made at the Peniten- | tlary yesterday afternoon by @ convict called ‘idaho | Bill,” who is reputed to be as freakish and slippery a Scamp a8 thero is in all this Western region, Tho | claim that be was ono of the seventeen juvenile sur- vivors of the Mountain Meadows Massacre has beon re- | peatedly disputed and impeached, yet he sticks to it | ‘with oxtraordinary pertivacity; and his story to me, which Ihave submitted to the United States District Attorney and one or two others who havo kept some | acvount ot Idaho Bill’s career is much longer, more speonic and contaius a greater number of froward alie- gations than any ho ever told before. A RBASD PROM THE BURNING, In prison attire and anshaven Idaho bili conducted me, by permission of United States Marshal Nejson, into aprivate room, and thus began his narrativo:— “T was one of the children saved from the Mountain Meadows Massacre. My father and mother, named Thatehor—not Fancher nor Francher, as Leo got it $ the Missouri River trom Kansas So did the snd the Burroaghs family, who belonged the tram. The rest; of the. families who made up the train were mostly from Arkansas, They left there in 1856, camo’ to Kausas and stayed uutil 1857, when the train was litted out apd started for the West. The permanent outfits of all the families were bought in Kansas, at Fort Leavenworth, Lawrence, Topeka and one or two other places, and, 1 believe, the animals, wagons And other necessaries for tho train were mostly pur- chused in Kansas, too. I was then aboy of frum seven to seven and a half years, 1 don’t recollect much, except a lew unimportant incidents, about the journey to Utab, but my recollection of the massacre—wbat occurred just before it and for a long while afterward—is us clear asa bell, for several reasons. We were all ina tight for a good many days before the killing, and attor it was over U hoard it talked ubout, time and aguin, as 1 will explain to you.” ae Kansas City, Mo, just MURDEROLE Size. I suggested here to Iuaho Bill that he begin at the time of the first attack on the train at Mountain Mea- dows and describe everything which ocourred tben und afterward, carefully and without exaggeration, “Very well,” suid be. “When the Indians under Joho D, Lee begun to attack father’s train he ordered the wagons to be made into a haped corral, From this corral the emigrants defended themselves, Two days ufter the attack began I (my name was Ubaricy Thatcher, you must remember) and another little boy named Huff were sent out to seo Lee and ask him to get the Tudians to draw oll, We were among the young- est children, but we were both considered pretty bright, and {ether took the risk of sending us because no thought we would deliver the message correctly and that even th wages would not kill such litle fellows as we were, We saw Lee, Ho told us to go back, suy- ing ‘the Indians were mad and he could do nothing with them.’ The next night was the third since we bad gone into the corral. A young Kentuckian numed Aden, about twenty-two years old, and a Ger- man named Hull (a big brother of the little boy that 1 went out with) started after dark for Cedar City Ww procure assistance, Aden was killea— by Joseph White and Stowart, as it after- wird turned oat—and the German, Hull, was wounded by anotber white man, but got back into the corral carly next day. When the tifth day camo we hoisted a flag of truce; 1 was stuck upon a Knoll and stood there two days afterward, Nobody outside paid any attention to it at Grat, they kept shooting at usalithe time, On the seventh duy, however, a flag of truce camo toward the corral; it was carried by a man named Bateman, although Jobu D. Lee (whom neither father nor anybody else side the corral knew upto that time by bis real name) walked in advance and was evidently the spokesman. Father went toward Leo and met him, and Lee sat down on a wagon tougue end began totalk. Leesaid, ‘l want you to rurrender up yourarms and pile them and your children into some wagons | have here, then wo’ll have some chanco of seeing you safo to Cedar City, ‘This is the only way we can handie the Indians.’ Father said, ‘It’s hurd to trust you. Why did you kill my man Aden and wound Huffy It seems as if you want to kill us all.’ “Leo answered, ‘That was done by some outlaws or others, with tho Indians. 1¢ wasn't authorized; I didu’t Know anything about it, MEART-RENDING MEMORIES. “After somo farther talk father submitted and sur- Tendered, The oext ew minutes were about the sad- dost I ever knew. We were just then burying a wo- man who bad died from a gunshot wound inside the corral, By father’s direction some of the men got all the rifles together and put them into one wagon. Into that same wagon the five wounded mon that were with us were also lifted, The women wero going around collecting the children, in the meantime the assassins outside got impations, and a mua came into the corral from Higbee, crying out, ‘Hurry up, Brother. Lee, hurry! The Indisns sre mad and wo ts Haight.’ Finally all us children were got together, I was standing close to my mother when father turned to Lee and said ‘Let me kiss my wile and my littie chil- dren.’ A MOTHRR’S APPRAL. “Lee answered, ‘Be quick, then.” Father kissed grandmother first, them mother, then me, then my little sister Mary. ACtee that mother said to Leo, ‘For heayen’s suke, Mister, Wioevér’ You are—I don’t know your nune—save my reutidren, for 1 know we seowl gomp-te be-tetiled.) “Lee was very much flastered at this, but he told mother, as we wero going out to get Into tho wagon, ‘The children shall be saved if Idie. Butl tell you honestly that as to the rest it’s doubtful,’ THE SLACGHTEM, “We children now got into the second wagon, be- hind the one which contained tho arms and wounded, and were immediately driven away. Leo walked on foot in front of us, behind the first wagon. Anotnor white man named Joel White, and another named Jacob Hambiiu, walked along near tho two wagons, The driver of the front wagon was numod McKnight or Knight; the driver of our wagon was a man named MoMurdy, We gota little over # hundred yards {rom the corral when the firing commenced. 1 saw Leo with a smoking pistol, but don’t know who he bit. 1 jaw Joel White strike a man in the front wagon, and he and Jacob Hamblin went in and murdered the wounded. Whiie this was going on the Indians came up to our wagon, the children’s wagon, and began hauling us out, Ono get ime by the nnir of the bend and drew me across the edge of the box so that it cut a big piece out of my chin; you cup sce the scar hero yet. “And now I must say that Leo saved us little folks ag he promised to; be came up and ordered the Ludians off, and stood in front of us, 80 that pone of us were badly burt, only bruised and cuta little, But the wounded in the front wagon had been done for in about half a mivute, and the white men and Indians started back toward the emigrants, | t) where there was # good deal of svooting going on. couldu’t see much of that, ana I ouly recollect ore | thing—I saw my father on a knoll, with bis hat of, running up toward our wagoes, | suppose that wis just before he was killed, for tho teams weut on, ard when I looked around again I didn’t see bim,’” THE MURDBRERS. “Was that all you saw of the massacre ?"? “That is all I recoliect about what bappened at tio Meadows, We were driven on until we got to Ham hin's ranch, where we stuyod that night. There wasilt much spare room, and during the uight preity neary all the white men who arvicipated io the massuce dropped ih. Among’ these Were’ old Billy Young aw Williatn H. Dame. L badn’t seen Dame uncil that nigh, bat t believe he had just come from the ground whee the butchery took place’? [Idaho Bills recollection is here probably at faut Although tho chargo that Dame was one of tio chief, if not the chief, Mormon Chureb dignitaris | in southera Utah who authorized the destruction ¢ the emigrauts is strongly supporte J, no direct proof bs | been adduced that he wus present at the butebery.- | HexKawo.) 4 DAUGHTER OF PHARAOH. | ‘Next day the children were taken to Cedar Git) | They were distributed trom thero around in varios places, {stayed there one day aod was sent byw Billy Young to Jolin D. Lee's house at Harmoit. There I was ieft with Caroline, Lee's second wile, wo took a great liking bo me; and, indeed, se was ont the kindest women lever knew, From the time whn L arrived at the house she treated meas she migt have treated her own son, and took the utmost cite lest L should ay somothing whied might cadanger ty life, She bad me sleep with ber siways, except whit Lee came to the house alter having taken bis ten with his other wives, thea I used to sleep in a lid bed on the floor, When I was with hor alone Mre, bo | used to charge mo, ‘Now, Charlio, remember to alwys | say the Indians killed your toiks, Say this whencer you are asked by anybody and everyvody. Don’t cor | speak of wutte people—don’t ever tell that any wito | men did the snooting, Remember this, Charlie, icif | ever you let on that It was white folks, they will ili | you.’ } “Sho used to dram this into my ears so thal | learned it, as I learned many other thinws that jo told ino, by heart, Avout six, weeks aftor I went to fe | with Mrs, the two drivers, Knight and McMury, came to Lee's house, They called him out of io | door and talked ty him @ little woile, and by andy | on? of them came so ¢he door aad called for m. McKnight of McMurdy, I forget which, comment at mo and wanted me to tell bim who kid | the emigrants, Ot course L told them the Indi4s | did, just as Mrs, Loe bad taught me to say. Tls | | | | didn’t seem to suit them; they told Lee he ought! to keop me; that Iwas older than ho thought 1 Wwf, and that I knew altogether tov much. One iA said that ‘there ought to be something done wit! . 1 don't know what would have happened if Mra,jl. who was inside the door tnd got wind of wha ti | ip the Legisiature. Were saying, hadn't come out and told them 1t was all flonsense; that I was young, ana dida’t know any- thing they thougnt I knew. #rom ail that I have learned of the Mormons since Lam perfectly certai that her tatercession at that moment saved my life, A SAINTLY QUAKKEL. About tWo months alterward another set of visitors camoto Leo's house, There were three of them ths time—Siewart, Haight aud Higbee, Leo and Stewart quurrelled; (hoy both pulled their six-shooters and Wore going to kill euch other It was all about the division of the Mountain Meadows cattle, The Womeb—Carolinc and Rachel (Lee's wives) and Mrs, Stewart, who was thero at the time—stopped It and made them put up their pistols, AN EMISSATRY FROM DRIGHAM, “Iwill tell you vow,” said Idaho Bill, or Charley Thateber, “why know more about what { suppose you want te find ont than John D, Los himself. Ove of the twelve uposties, Ainasa Lyinan, who apostatized several yours ago, and who, I have heard, was never very Strovg in the faith, came on a strange errand to the house about a month botore 1 Jeft it in the spring of 1558. It wus about eleven o'clock in the forenoon when bo walked through the front door into the room Where John D. Loe wus itting, Mra Lee andl were in the next room—ihe bedroom—and the door was opea between, Apostio Lyman said—'Brother Leo, I've been sent to you to see wat papers you have got 10 regard to this Mountain Meadows alfur, I've been Sent to look into them and counsel with you, and 1 willadvise you (uv do nothing but what le rigat.’ “Lee at iirst stood him off, but after they talked awhile he went and pot some papers and banded them foLymau, Alltuis time Mrs. Leo had been listening and fizeting. When she saw Lee haud the letters to {yman he patied me up tober and said, 10 a whisper, ‘Charley, now you slip out there ansl be a-fooling around Mr Low; bang on to his ley, or keep close to him some way, and find out every word that’s in them letters and come and tell me.’ THE DEATH WARRANT. “Protiy soon Lee und Lyman went out of the door and sat down on 4 cune-bottomod seat on the stoop. 1 did a@@ dirs, Lee told me, and hupg sround Lee ana Leard Bim while he read a letter, ‘There were two !et- ters, one of which Lee read aloud; the other he handed ulterward to Lymav, who read it to biinself, und quietly passed it back after he had faished it 1 give you from memory the letter that Lee read aloud; but L-don’t want you to suppose that I recollect it wholly trom bearing it at that time. Ob, nol ve Rot A Copy of the letter, which was afterward written out by Curvliue Lee, and long ago learned tt by boart:— Sart Lake City, August 15, 1857, emigrants whatever to pass you or | through the country, aud aliow no one around your rmon (Ibis tx a word which neither Brigham Young vor auy other Mormon would bo-likely to use.—Ep. Henan), for troubie 1s expected, A plenty of emigrants ure cum ng. Feed oune ind sell wothing. It they cannot live on th hey have got we can, BRIGHAM Yous NG “Lyman, ulter he got through with the two letters, bet still a moment and said, as nearly as I can recol- » ‘Brother Lee, I think I wont’t do as I’ve been lave by President Young. It’s a bad affair that has “happened to the Church; it’s bad for you, and some day Lexpect you'll have to answer for it even though Brigham Young is at tho root of all the evil. I'll not take these letters; you had botter save them. Some day they inuy help you out, At present, Brother Lee, Brigham Young is trying to screen himself.’ ? Idaho Bili hero ssemed disposed to rest from his Darrative, Ho gradually adopted the demeanor of a |, turtlo anxious to witndraw iigel’ into it’s shell, To ‘Various interrogatories be responded in monosyliaples, regarding tho ceiling with an unsteady eye, I was for some Moments at fault, but at last wroused him with a question which shot howe. “Haven't you got avything more valuable to say, BAll, thaw all this fol-de-rol #”” , The convict Liushed to bis hair and responded, in- digauntly, “i’ve treated you well, sir; told you the story you asked mo toteli, and every word of it, ad far as 1 can recollect, 1s God's truth.’? Very wall. But ts it possible that such a smart you were and such a man as you bave been in this €erritory for 4 good many years past, never got hold of goything more important in the shape ot docu. snipr. e¥ideuce than what you have desoribed?’? 8 tome,” rephed Idaho Bil, wriggling in te it, “that “that Teter ifom "Srighaty pretty d—d importaut.’” jot atall, It is only a copy. Have you got the original 2”? “Well, no; that’s so,’ answored Bill, gruesom: 7. A STARTLIN} BEVELATION, “Has Mrs. Lee got ib?” ‘1 don’t beliovo sho bas. But,” said Idaho Bill, after @ paase, siretching out his hand stained with stove blucking, and laying it impressively upon my knee, ‘there’s another Jotter (hut I have never shown to any living man.” With some difficulty I drew from thts strange in- formant a disclosure which on ite faco appears totally apoclryphul, buy which if founded in truth would ehango the destiny of the Terriiory of Utah within a very brict spac “Caroline Lee,” he testified, gave me on the nightI | left her house to go Kast, this letter from Brigham | Young to John . Lee, It was received by Lee late in | tue fall, or carly 1m the winter after tho massacre, | about a month after Leo returned from hin visit to Salt Luke Vity, where he went to report tho ciroumstances | | to Brigbam Young, When Mrs, Lee gave mo this letier | | sho spoke to me in th’s way. Said she, ‘Chariey, here’sanother letier L’ve got fur you to keep, Thisis the most important of all, When you get older you'll | know inore about the meaniug of it, Ittelis you who | were the meu who killed your folks, Some time it ay | be of great use to you, Hang on to it, Charite; never Jet avy bouy take it uway irom you, oot even when you undress yourseit,’ and so ou.” | THE PROPUET’S FEAR, Here ig the letter: — SALT Lake City, (Date not, recollected exactly, but us intimated above), Brother Jons D. 1 Thave written to Washingtoa aod got my answer, Jtis favorable, Now other Lee, shoulder nove of this on ome. Ail “the orders I buve given you aud my COouBse: AboUL the massvcres that have been dove and will be done, keep to your- sel forever, And the writen letters ~ you | Have from me, destroy thom Mf you have uot already dove so, Li is uccersury (hateverything shall comy on to your own suouiders, for Haight aud Dame and Higbee and Bishop Smito nave no uerve. You willthus inerita Ligh position iq the Churc and a colestiul crown | im tho next world, and you shali have them, Fetch as many Wives #8 You Waut ana | wil! seal them to you. | Ali the laws, Brother Lee, tia exist between heaven and bell can wid sbail never toucu you il my name ix kept ip the background sv tnat Leau work jor you. 1 repeat What Yume, Haight, Higbee, Siewurt and Smith have not tue nerve to stand by anythin have found out positively. Joseph Smith always s you were the ouly iru OL the lot. Do. ay L toll you, brother Lee, L hear that next winter you will be BRIGHAM YOUNG. Waiving comment on this letter for a moment, I re- quested Idaho Bul to go on and tell what he know about himself and the other children after he jeft Har. mony and started Kust. PNODUS OF TINE CAPTIVE CHILDREN, “] left Caroline Lee's house,” said be, “in the spring of 1858 with, L think, about four or five other ebildren, As we proceeded little squads of children joined us from time to time, 1 don’t know where they cume from. Ue, Forney was in charge, otall, The only other mon I recollect who was with us was Damed Phomas Willis, who piloted us after we leit Spanish Fork, We moved out from there into the Uintub Valley, toward tho cast, The first place we stopped twas Lu Porte, on tho cache Lx Poudro, iu Colorado, There was no town thero then—only a traa- ing post’? “Do you recullect what children were with you | then #”? “1 don’t remember all of them. [ was so young, and it was such along Une ago; but I cau tell you tho names of some, Whon we got to L three sick children, two aamed Huff, daughtors of widow Huff, who bad ber turoat cus at Mountain Meadows, and one nated Morton. and 1 tell you, sir, that, as little us L was thon, I’ve always sinco had the notion that abe was jn pretty @ child o# ever stood in shoes. Tho children's bames I recollect wore these :-— “Mary E. Thacober, my sister, threeand o half yoars. “The Haff children, a boy of tour and a gitl of about two and a halt yoare, “Charles Burroughs, Johnson county, Kan, “Willan Morgan, two and a half years, Kansas City. Villiam Cooper, one and a half years, and “Joseph Cooper, about three years, Lawrence, Kan, FERKING VENGEANCE IN UTAM “There wore plenty of othors that I didn’t get ac. guaivied with, It was @ protiy hard kind of # irip, threo yoars, from Olathe, Porto wo had | The prettiest Hult | | girl ts now living in Oseuwotamie, Miami county, K THURSDAY, MAY My, 1877.~TRIPLE SHEET, and I, for one, was giaa to get through with it. At sax City *Dr. Forucy apprenticed me at Lirst to @ mun bamed Sloin, Chere, avout six months afters ward, | was heard of and taken churge of by my unele, Mr. Whitting r, IT stayed with bin trom the winter of 1859 to the spring of 1811. [wont into the serviee In the latter year under un old friend of my fatuer, who is wow in Congr Ho was sent to | Washington from the porth partef lodiana, As lor me, I stuyed in the army through three enlistments. I was dschurged in 1s In tuat year IT came west to Uiah, enticed by promises of some $5,000 to $10,000 which Robert Hawiey, of Kausas City, told ine 1 could get to establish my- seit im business in Salt Lake City, 1 was given to understand that this money would ve lurnished by the Mormons as a kind of set-off for tne murder of my people. 1 got pothing irom the Mormons, of course, and had to leave the country mighty quick to suve my life, They thought, 1 suppose, that I knew tov much, If weut to Moutana ia the spring of 1366, and cerned some money that year, Lp the spring of 1867 I rewurned to Utah for reveoge, That | bas been my object in Uteh ever since, aud people down in Southern Utuh kuow it,” “You mean by revenge, [ suppose, that you Wanted to punish tho meu who killed your people “Phavs exactly it, First L uated Lee up at Otd Haztavpy; | was old enough then to look him in the eyes without getting ap on a footstool, Hv aceom- | panied ine to Panguitch, where 1 met Stewart, | Huwht, Higbee and a stranger, Lappliod to them—t was present— | that rigbtiully belonged t the Utne the mas | or its equivalent, 1 wanted, | tldu?t get the least satislaction, and for four yours 1 tried to yet even with them im another way, 1 worked part of tho imo and hunted thom the rest ot the time, Ouve | got very neartuem {found their camp ip the mountains where they Were scouung and keoping away from the oitiver turee or tour hours alter they had lett. Bat I never could get a fair Sight of the ‘This lasted until IST1, when L went to Montana, worked (he whole summer there and came back again to southern Utah, 1 leit Utan again in 1s72, for Idabo; returned ia the winter of 1872-3, and | spent nearly the whole of that winter huuuing alter those Mouutaiu Mewsows tends [ mot Lee voward Spring, and was stood off oy a promise from bia that iC I would stay out of the Territory, muke-no fass and Bay nothing I should havi 000, whica they would | raise and pay over to me at certain times during the next yeur, Of course I uever gota ceut; they vever fulfilled any of their promises 1 was out of meuey and bad to let them rest until a year ugo last New Yeur’s, "1876, Then I started atter ihem again, ana gov into this trouble xbout ibe treasure-box on tho stage,” | [Tbe “trouble” which Idaho Bill s0 modestly al- | ludes to was the result of the robbery of u stage sta- | tion, of Wich he was convicted at the same teri of the court with Jobu D, Lee, und tor wuich he was sen- tenced to ten years?’ imprisonment.—Ep, Hun aLb.) CONFIRMATION BY OATH. I now reverted to tue story which Idaho Bill had | told me in regard to the extraordimary letters from Brigham Young, and gave bim, one after the other, the fullowing nuts to crack:—*(1) Will you | sweur that you heard Amusa Lyman read tho letter dated August 15, 1857, and that you have a correct copy of itso fur as tue sense and meaning of it go? (2) Will you swed& to what you have told me in regard to Mrs. Leo's giving you the origi letter from Brigham Young to Lee written after ihe massacre? (3) Wall you sWeur to the stutement you have made in regard to your preservation of that letier from your childhood? (4) Are you able to swear that you hayo given mo trom memory an accurate transcript of that letter? (5) Cun you swear that the letter is actually Jo Brigham Young’s handwriting? (6) Do you swear that you know the present whereabouts of the letter? (7) Cae you preduce the letter? and (8) willyou produce {tto me or to Mr. Howard, United States District Attoruey if, on its proos to be genuine, you obtain the promise of your liberty?” To these questions Id sho Bill gave prompt and defi. nite unswers, taking bis soleima oath in the aftirma- tive, except when ho qualified i by saying that “perhaps be hada’t got every word in the Jets ters exactly straight, but the meaning abd almost every sentence be was sure would remember it was on a day when Dame tor to etek my and and father which money of | | | \ qwhich read over to him were compdéréd with the originals,” Whea Ll calied his attention snew tothe Mnprobable tule that Brigham Young bad so commit- ted himeelf in writing that Caroline, Lee’s wite, had intrustud him, a mere child, with a document which common sense must have assured nor might be veces- sary for the protection of her husband's life, and that she, who was on good terms with her husband up to the time of his execution, omitiod to come forward and cite such a letter in bis bebalf, Whoo l called to his attention these discrepancies and also the fact that netther Leo himseli nor his invorite wife, Rachel, who | was With him to the last aud who must hive been ins | formed by Lee of such letters if they were ever writ. | | ten, offered to produce copies of them or asserted tuem | in tis wetence [dabo Bili squared himse f aud entered upon this explanation: — FAITH IN BK “Don’t you seo,” he said, ‘that Lee had lost these | letters and had no show? Don’t you see tat Curoline | Lee had parted with the principal letier written by | Brigham Young to me, and could not produce it; and | dou’t you eve, further, that Rachel probably aever | saw the letter, and that it she did her statement about | | it wouldn't have been worth anything in court? What | would have been the use of Lee or Racoel | | or Caroline or anybody else going into court | and swearing to such letters if they couian’t show | them? Lee suppoted that these letters were stolen with the rest of his papers years ago from Mis house at | Lonaly Dei! Ferry, Why, J suppose Lee told me tity | tmes while we were in prisou at Beaver togethor that if he could ouly geu bold of a letter that Brigham | Young wrote him ho could soap his tugers at iher all, | | Just to tantaize him TL told him a Hite about tae | Brigham Young lettor tuat 1 have ia my possession, 1 | | didu’t teil wim exactly that L bad the letter, T just told him evough of it to let bin Know that lL understoud what itwas. He suid tome, “Bill, you Kuow a good deat | more than I thought you did,’? and from tuat time be commenced to make up to me aud tried to Oud out all | Iknew, He promised tuatit would assist him when | he wanted me to with my testimony he would see that T got out of prison all safe, But l never gave my tull confidence to Joba D, Lee; dann bim, f wanted lim | todie, Notwithstanding lis beet that he would get | off 1 never took any stock init 1 was convinead AM. thas be was a dead man, sure. He thought to the very Jast that Brigham Young would | suve him. Just here les the final aaswer to your question why these letters T have got were | uot alluded to by Lee or bis wives im bis deieucs, and | | why Lee viin’t call on me to belp him by testifying to | what I knew about Brigham Young. He bad given op | all hope thorough everybody but Brigham Young. | Brigham Young, you remember (or, if you don’t, L can | tell you), had sent him word, some yeurs before no | was arrested, to keep quict and he would protect him, | Ho hod also said to Rachel, ia Beaver, “that itJobn | would stand firm not a hair of bis head should be | | harmed.’ The very moraing when be left the Peni tepuary here and started toward the place of his oxecu- tien be said to me, ‘Bill, Vl be a free man in less than | | twenty days, They're making 4 big thong of it; they're going to bave quitea show. They're going to take me | through a narrow passige, and then they're going to | make mo sit down on my colin, IV be @ big scure, BIL, but at tho iast inynute Wil be our way,? | | Why,” exclaimed Idaho Bill atresh, “Lee expected Brighain Youug would save bin, even after the hand. kerchiel wus put over bis cyes, He bad said to mo | moro than once that Brigham would put up $100,000, or oven $290,000 to prevent his death, If Lee had raised the handkereluet from his eyes at the last moment and seon the muzzles of those guns he'd have equawked, by God! Even Kachel, who left here tbe morning after Leo did, Was as confident | ws ho was, asked her, just as T was saying goodby | to ber, whether she believed that the bead men of the Chureb would stick by him, and she replied, Yes, | Bull, they will When I was downtown, day beforo | yesterday, Bishop Hunter said to me, “Sister Rachel, keep your own counsel and tell Brother Lee to keep | hie, No harm shall come to tim’? 9 “SACKED” CONFIDENCE, | “Til go on now,’ continued Btil, ‘to tall you why T hover tade use of this lettor you think so much of, for my own sake, In the first place yoa can believe | itor not—I got that letier under such citenmstanves, | and I’vo carried it #0 many years, that I?ve held it | kind 0° sac I never thought of using it unt the | time of my trial, when my counsel down at Beaver asked me one day ti I vad any papors relating to any | ORM eee RR Se Fe ee, ee ee ee ee Lee eae rT a | wnytuing from it | of | —, that knows any | killwg. | Caroline. of the Mormons in connection with Mountaia Meadows massacre? | told him I bad. He didn’t ask me the particulars about thein; ho only said, You'd better save them up aud take good care not to. lose them’ Next, as I've told you, I didn’t de the jeter ip connection with Lee because | didn’t. believe ho; could do me any 004, as he promised to, and because I knew he was puilty and ought to be execuied.” “But why have you never spoken to Mr, Howard or Marshal Nelsoo aboat it Yo tell you the truth, | atdn’t have much of on opinion of Howard for a good long while. This wasn’t | forthe reason that be Lelped to get me into this scrape, although I'm as innocent as you are of what they sent me here jor; it was because f thought he was dealing too gently with Joho D. Lee. Leo had all sorts of privileges here; ho could yo down town with- out irons, while! w s taken out in bandends, and for two weeks they kept me back hore in a enge. No, sir, I didn’t go mach on Howard aut! I beard that Jobo D. Leo was shot. Then I got a new opimon of nim and Nelson, Siill, he never scemed to take much ine terest in inquiring about what I knew or whether [ koew anything or not, Idiot send bim a short written statement ouve about the sucre, but I never heard and suppose be audn't think it was It didn't have e:ther of the letters you. You aro the onty man, Mr, hing about this fast fetter that £ got in Brigham Young’s own vandwriting,” WHEKE 18 THE LETTER? “Where is that letter, Bill? is it within reach, where I can be permitted to gee it and satisfy myself that youare no: mistaken and that {t is not a fore account, in that I have give have “Itis i» Southern Utah, Of course you won't ask m>tosay exactly where it is autd [can understand what good it willdo me. I’m in here for ten years, and thal letter is the cnly thing, by God! that I’ve got to belp me in ail this world. [ve got to take eare of mysell, and | ain't sure wiieh side I mignt do thé ber with? Just before I bade adien to Idiho Bull he said: —" 1 tell you wnotber litte thing that you can pat into the paper it you want to, A year or two woeo I wag down South, I used to run about New Year's with one of Haight's doaguters named Ella, She was about sixteen or seveatecn years old, Once, when we got ta talking ubout Mountain Meadows, sue suid io mo, ‘Bul, if ever pu gets snubbed theyll See some lovers | that he’s got that’ show up Brigham Young miguiy quick.?” auc ’$ WRITTEN RTORY. The following is a copy of Ifaho Bill's written state- mentto which bo refers above and which he sent to District Auorney Howurd last February, 1 need not add that Mr. Howard, to whom I have exlibited comes! of the letters alleged by Bill to be tn his possession, Will lose no Lime in testing his veracity :— Fenrvary 16, 1877. “The train spit up at Union Fort, eleven miles south of Salt Lake City. Father took charge of the tran and sturted to move on to Calitorna, ‘Che first camp was Lehi; second, Provo; third, Spribgville—camped there one or two days; fourth, Pondtown; fifth, Salt’ Creek; sixth, Leva’ event, Sevier—there camped a day or two—eighih, Kound Valley; ninth, Cedar Springs; tenth,+ Filimore; eleventh, Cora Creek; twellth, Dry Camp in Dog Valley; thirteenth, Cove Creck; fourteenth, Pine Creck; fifteenth, Indian Creck; sixieenth, Beaver; soventeenth, Buckhorn Springs; eighteenth, Parowan; nineteenth, Cedar City, and bought tour; twentieth, Iron Springs; twenty-first, Antelope springs; twenty-second, Dry Camp; twenty-third, Mountain Meadows; camped about @ hundred yards southeast of tue Springs—were driven into camp by the Indians, “Camped there stx or goveu days. Tho (Indians and the Mormons were killing the stock and wounding tha emigrants. Tue flax of truce came and futher sur- renderod, giviag up the arms, and thes Jobu D. Lee camo in and sat down, Father wis burying a woman that was shot The next that came wad Higbee, He told Lee that Haight suid berry up, That the Indians were mad and was he, Then father bad tho arms put iuto a wagoh, and four wounded mou and a voy and girl were pat ino the saino Wagon and the children all into another wagon. Then father had the families all fall into ranks, whew Highos ordered tho wasons ty inove out of the corral und the families to follow. When wo ail got out of the corral (he teams went one way aud tho faunittos wont Wane right wnd we ty the lett Jot I Lee followed behind our wazon, and when we got over alittle mdge wo beard the tring of guns, aad, a fow minutes afterward, tho Indians and a tow Mormons came around us and took the wounded out of the wagon and Killed them, but Joun D. Lee did not kilt anybody, He begged them to sparo our lives, Jake Hamblin, McMurdy aud MeKnight took a hand in the Leo cried, saying, ‘For God’s sake, spare (he ren.? Then they took us children to Hamblio’s ranche and Stopped all night. They took us to Cedar the next day, and then Groves took inv to Lee's. Caroline Loe took care of me. 1 was there 81x months when Hainb- lin came and took ine out and asked mo if I knew who killed the whites, 1 told him that ‘the Indiams did 1t,? Jor Mrs. Lve said for me to tell them so or they woutd kul mo, “The next who came was Amasa Lyman, He wanted to know of mo who killed the emigrants, [told Lim that the Indians d He asked Jobo D, Lee ta sce some letters thut he had and Lee showed them to him, Lyman read them and handed them back to Leo, telling him to save them, as soine day they woala do him some good. Mrs. Lee then called me away, and told me to go back und listen to every word that they said, and to come and tell ber, 1 did so, and heard Lyuian say to Lee that some day he and all the rest would bave to answer for what they had done; that Brigbam was to blame A. Smith; that he (Lyman) was sorry tor it, abd that it would hurt the Church, Then I weut to Mrs. Lee and told hor what they said. She wld my every diy that the More tons killed my father aud mother, but L must not tell any one or the Mortnovs would kill me, If any of tna murderers cume around she Would tell me who they were. Stewart caine and quarreied with Lee, and she told me be helped to kill (he emigrants, “Now Lwantume to siraighton myself out, for out- siders will say that it is a play to get out of prison; but itis net so, I am telling the truth. Thave got the worst of it ever sives I have been ar- rested, I have had no show to build myseit up. Ihey have told Colouel Nelson a thousand Les while I bave only tola bim two. One of them was lust spring, at Beaver, aid the other was last fail, It was about Fenn when you celegrapbed to to know if ——— had been seen down that way, “The Mormons were glad to hear that L was arrested. Now, [ want Ue to prove up what f say, Lam alove here—without iriends, with the exception of ono sister. Ihave not told you half that I can about the Mountain Meadows massacre, Mrs, Lee drilled me to recoliecteverythiug, L think | have givea you the wpe righh [ have travelled them often since tor the purpose of catching Higbee, for ho ts the une who killed my Incher, 1 tried to get out iast fall to got him, but no one would believe me, 1 will close and trust to you, boping that you will vot be like the rest. Yours, truly, CHAKLES JHATCHER, LEE pS IDatlo BI Just as Lom closing this ‘otter @ paper comes inte my bands which lends additional interest toi, The paper contains a statement im ju regard to Idato Mi by Joun D. Lee just before bis execution, It curiously corrovoretes, in some respects, What Idaho Bill bas said, and while it should be borne ia mind by tue reader that Lee aud Idaho bill may have ‘cooked up,” while they were in prison together, a! story tor * their mutaal venedit, the two siorics as here published do not on their faces entirely justity such a conclusion, “This man, kuowa as Idaho Bull, 1 most positively believe is one of the children WhO Were saved at tha Mountain Meadows mass aod that he ts the son of Captain C, Faucher, of the Arkansas company of emt- grunts, He was about nyne or ten years old when T rescucd bim, The tacts are these; —The Indians attacked the Wagon ‘bot contained the eliildrea at the Meadows; oue of them seized this lad by the hair of the bead, jerked him down ana cut his ebin on the wagon box, 1 took him home; he iy with my wives Rachel and Caroline, aba often slept at the foot of the ted with This she induiged him in because he was so frightened about the Indians that be would scream oat iu his sleep, While Lving wiih her he cut the big too of nis left foot near the second joint, He was of rather dark complexion, with keen bla@k eyes and bla rather dark brown hair, which was as coarse and straight as anladian’s, Ove day Jacob Hamblin came and took bins out of the door to talk with him. Ttwas ju the evening, and before be Went oatl told bim to nothing to Hambiin, not to speek of tis own father and not to mention toe names of any of the company, for if be did somobody would kill him, Tye so chi