The New York Herald Newspaper, April 7, 1875, Page 6

LOOKING FOR VERDICT Sixty-Third Day of the Great Sean- dal Case. BEECHER’S SAYINGS AND DOINGS He is Advised to Let the Til- ton Family Alone. “KISSING ALL ROUND.’ “I Didn’t Burst Into Tears for That.” THE JUDGE CAUTIONS THE WITNESS. Mortification of the Defendant at the Reproof. HOW THE BIRD SUNG. ‘The number of people present yesterday at the Tilton-Beecher trial did not show the slightest failing off from the attendance of the day before, When the rush for places was very great. It was the fourth day of Mr. Beecher’s direct testimony, Mr. Evarts took him through an explanation of Several of his letters tu Mrs. Tilton, and the great Preacher gave explanations which, no doubt, will ‘be regarded with satisfaction by those who, through good and evil report, look upon lim as one assailed, but able and willing to beat back the impautacions of his accusers by the use of skil- fully constructed pnrases and sentences. When Mr. Beecher is to be taken out of Mr. Evarts’ crucible is not positively known, Fullerton looks as if he would like to have an encounter in the way of cross-examination with Mr. Beecher right away; and, indeed, it would seem, from some words already dropped by the lawyer, that he intends to “go tor’? the divine. When he does get him in his hands the conflict will be an inter- esting exhibition of talent between two men well sed in the application of words. Toward the close of yesterday's proceedings Mr. Beecher was questioned in regard to his acquatnt- ance with Mrs, Woodall, and how it came about. By reference to the testimony it will be seen what he said on this subject. The substance, however, of it was tnat whis acquaintance was, a3 he suid, intruded on him, At this stage of the proceedings iu the great Brooklyn trial there is naturally an absorbing imterest. Mr. Beecher himself is on the stand, He is kn.wn to ali the world. His sermons have been o! that pandy, transmissible kind that, next to the works o! Dickens, have passed currence in every Obristian iand. Beecner's appearance on the stand was nothing Mngulir. swered with ease and deliberadion. When the question happened to be of a more than unusually exciting character he liited himself by nis arms a ew inches above his chair and projected his reply. Beecher’s present appearance persuntfied, as did that of every one eise among the audience, an anxious expectant of the verdict of the jury. Mr. Beecher was a reminder and an example. In bis looks and demeanor he presented an embodimer of twenty-five years of American history and of Brookiyn socie'y, and all of this the witness had the vanity to think was his work and authorsnt), Mr. Beecher as a witness fails below Tilton in Muency and scholarsmip. Neither Tilton nor Beecuer bas been educated in the sense o! those ten who go forth into the world from tne great Qmiversitres of Europe. THE JURY. The twelve good men and true who Occupy the Jury box, attract the attention of tne spectators. The people who are admitted to the court look at — them generally with a gaze of wonder. Men who are certain to pass down to posterity in tne columns of the daily press of the United States are Rot tobe met with every day. It is not at all times that youcan set your eye on a Beecuer, a Tilton, a Moulton, or a Beecher-case juryman. Yet there they are, twelve of them. They have re- teived che first instalmeut of their pay, and hope to live and draw more, and to give a verdict, That (s ail the casual visitor sees, kn. Ws, or cares. THE EVIDENCE. * Mr. Evarts—Reierring to your testimony yes- Yerday, on the occasion Wnén you received aa invitation trom Mrs. tiiton, when toe question of | Separation from ber husdund was ra PerloU—December—diu you, c tieman ot tne church or apply to any gi arenas pt church in this matter? A. 1 did; to Mr. A. iy bat tion did be at that time nold in the engren 7 bad ceen a faithfal member of the churcn, on Way or another, ersiuce 1can remember; Was then Superiniendent 0: the Betnel, was a Dear neignbor, a dear iriend, and one of my chief counseliors. @ Did ne take part in the conference with you? A. i wade a starement to bim ac the time o d, at that ju Fespect to Mrs. 111ton’s case, Which, under ireums: ances, appe aa Mf it might be submiited to toe deacons of the churen, in the proper exercise of (heir faa ‘tens, b@ persuaded Me ayainst .t, and be mM phaticaliy ‘hat it was a case for silence. Q@ And that wastheena’ A, That wus the end of it; I don’t mean to say he used toe word “silence,” but his counsel w. let it sione, at How eariy aiter tuexe first weeks o1 the year did @ny conversation occur between Moul- ton aua yourseil in respect to the use or applica- tion Of Muney iD convection with Tilton’s affairs ? 4. Among the eariiest conosellings was how standin. ground couid be got tor Tilton—ior nis bousea. that he could be at peace and go on ith his work, 80 that lis oousehold soould ve in an position; 1 recoilect one conversation po may early Within the frst two or \nree Weeks on ne subject Of & mortgage on Tiiton’s house, and Mouston said he tuougat that mortgage ougnt to be rewoved, and that he thongut ne couiad teen transfer ¢ rty to ais said When ever aby movemene of tnat kind was made 1 wished to be counted In to do my share. Q. Did be say anyibing shout tue amount of the Mortgage!’ A. i understood it to ve $7,000; he gever mentioned te matter to me again, but I @entioned it to him once or twice aiier, vutl san’t teil in what intervais; 1t Was at laier periods ; C believe L asked Mouitva on those occasions what was @ Matter or What was going to be done. a. Bow do you remember conversations you had Mouiton in reference to ony or payments 0 account o/ Bessie Turae: A.1 do recuilect the fact of one. Q. Avout what time was that, and bad it refer- yhce to any bili that was presented in connection Rito her? A. My impression 18 that it was om im the summer oj i871; he a to me one day that he Was expending A GOUD DRAL OF MONRY FOR TILTON, and nere Woes a bill, be said, that he thought it would be weil I snouid pay just t. help Titon— boat it would be @ great assistance to Tiiton, or something to that effect; ¢ 3 mo jormaiity rts Mens; ne presented it to me and I . 1 will do that or anything that ip tue tamtly; iet me know any time, and I wiad to help.” as there t that time presented to band there, With a defin:te sum; wut whetner ¥ unt oF Bot I couls not say; i don’t think | saw agcount, but whether Isaw auy paper or not don’t know. Q. Before this introdaction of the matter to you im the form Oj contrioution bad you any knowlevge or had you heard apytuing of tne Bessie Jurner errapgemeat? A. Nothing wha art! shoud tor good or for bow loug; | @t schvol thi coi matier cane ap. Jou taken any part in providing for her volte oF (ag aDy arrangements Bovut ber? A. None Woatever. Teg. Ta to this Bessie Turner matter, after @t wutTuduction oi it co you. bow dia mations ou? A. [here wus sume arraugement made Hooat aod from time to time M:, Moulton woud give so mucn;” 1 Wuuld pay yy giving it ut once vr seuding mmquiry iurlaer aovur He sat at timesa little back and an- | i can’t say what position he beid; be | the | , and | Made the Inquiry What Had vetter be | rea to require Wise coun- | it than that I wnderstood it would be a relier to ‘Tiiton. ag any acconnt rendered of these expendl- dont recollect any t or memorandum tymerits tn tang on thy earth, e;tion in thls vation about Q. In connection with this cor money and abour the mortgage or otnerwise was said between you und Mouitum about ng to Wurope? ‘A. Oh, uotaing serious; | Lrememoer the subject spokea about among the mauy other subjecia relerrea to mm connection with whut he Was to do, Q. What did ‘ouiron say upon that subject? A, leun’trecall what he said except L do recollect the suvject coming up and being talked about, but What Was said made no impression upon my ming, Q. On the occasion of your vistt to Tilton’s house in Feoruary was tuere un occ a during tue in terview vetween yourself and Tilton aod Mrs, Til ton, au occasion on whica you expressed grief and misery, and you burst into tears? A. i can't ¥; L will no y I dtd not; 1 made NO RECORD OF MY TEARS 1n my memory; 1 certataly con't think the inter- view was a very hopelul or reassuring one; I don’t recollect the occurrence you reler to. Q. At the close of the interview Was there any such occurrence, just belore you leit the house at the close of the interview? A. Why, sir, the last thing We did on that oc:asion WAS TO KISS ALL THREE ROUND$ 1 didn’t burst into tears lor that. (Laugoter.) Judge Neilson intimated ro witness, througo his counsel, tvat tne answer called for by the ques- tion would be better given by tue simple yes or no witaouc interjecting other matter, aud would conduce to better order in the court. Q. You men’ioned in the course of yesterday's testimony that you nad one other interview at Til- ton’s house with Mrs, Ti ton, aud taat you were alone with her on that occasion, Dv» you recollect all the circumstances Of that interview ? A. Yea. Q. And, as you slaved, 1t Was a3 near as you could recoliegt in Lue latter part o1 the year 1871? A. That was my impression, q. Now, how did that tulerview take place? A. T can’t say positively irom my own knowledge; I have oniy an impression tuat 1 was sent fur, . Aud you Weat there and found her there? A. Yes; | found her alune. Q. Now, sir, What passed between you and her at that visit ? A LONG DISCUSSION here ensued between counsel and the Court on the question whether the occurrences in tne In- verview should be admitted. Mr. Evaris wauted to show what occurred in order to snow exculpa- tion, as the plaintiif had,shown accusation. It the evidence was suppressed it was a hardship for the defendant. Toe Court ruled that counsel for the defendant could not prove the acts of the parties to the interview without ad- muitting the conversation, He thought plainti? bad been alreaay quite liberal in the admission of testimony tor the defence. While the big bell tolled its peaceiul chime Beach spoke, and his eyes diated and hts voice gradually rose as step by step he went on with the argament that the declaration of an adverse party could not be given in evidence. “Should Beecher be allowed to manufacture ex- cusatory eviuence # Beecner looked askance at Beach as he spoke. Occasionally ne looked up at the clock, down at the stenographer and over at the foreman of the jury. Beach was very powerful in his plea, As plain a8 two and two make four, ne made clear the 1aw Oi evidence, showing that there were limitations on the law of evidence, and that private acts be- tween Mr. Beecher and Mrs. Tilton of wbicn they (tne plaintif!) had no knowledge could not ve ad- mitted under any rule of equity or law. Mr. | Beecher hung his head part ofthe ume, Beach continued speaking. THE COURT RULED, alter some further discussion, saying:—‘‘As intl mated at the eariler Stages Of this case, the cor- | respondence detweenu hasoand and Wile and the correspondence wii other persons are deemed admissible, They seem to be imtroduced by the pial to sbow the harmony oi bis housenoid | wud to indicate What he has iostiu the supposed disturbance. On the other hand, equally, the dee fendaut 1s at lverty to show by correspondence ana coaversation prior to (he supposed offence a | want of harmony and disturvance im the house. | hols, ail of whicn woes to tue question whether tne piainti? susierea much damave; and, as I | have oD Wore tha. une occasion intimated, that class Of questions goes to the question of damage; I understand that to be tne law and the correspondence and acts ition Of the houselvid the plain- tul alleges (o have been disturLed, But as toevents | ana couversations subsequent to the aileged otfence the and lor obvious reasons, But still. wuere the de- jendant is charged with tuproper coaauet alleged to aave taken p think be 18 at liberty, in reerence to any laterview wich this lady at any time, to state wnat occurred and to be inverrogated a8 fo What did Lot occur, and per- haps toe general statement Would cover it; but 4 CaNNOt see ‘hat the Couversation can be received. Taere is no ruie that 1 Kuow Of that would aamit it, AS for example when @ wile abandons her house and determi ies to live apart, her declara- ous at the time of leaving may be received as evidence in her favor to show way she leit; bot it 1s because it 18 part Of the act—pargpi the res westm. In this case the legal point pear.” The Judge made a very careful argument. His Words were listeaed to with profound attention. Moulton sat beside Tilton well back among the lawyers and almost directly lacing the witness. The contrast between these two men was very noticeable, Moulton is neituer young nor old. He ce in Uctover, I neither red por orown wor black noraavurn. It is woro as few other human beings wear their hair, EXAMINATION RESUMED. Q. Do you remewmoer what time of the aay the Inverview was! A. 1 dv pow Q. Was the occasion oO! taat interview suggested Wo you, Of sugyested by you? A. It was suggested to we. Q What was the occasion and what the sub- Ject then sagyested? Mr, Fuverion—loat comes within our objection and Your Hovor's raing. Mr. Evaris suid tuat the point we have in view is to show that (his interview nad only a bearing Upuen Occurrences Of tue moment. Ashall confine | Myself Lo tue exciusion of anyiuing im the way of iug of the kind occurred. 1 also ow that his iuterview Was In Go W. re: 1 of confidential ingmacy. 1 propose to S8U0W that this interview o ta sides was of tue utmost rese and apart from what tae piaintur sys to prove. Tue Judye said that he did not think that the conversa.ion Wus admissing as eviuence; but It might be snown bow long it was, Where it was, @ud You can aisu ask Whether tie Bature of the otervieW Was 10F Feluwious aavice. Mr. Beach said, Your Hon 1's advice we admire 8 4 (ine piece 01 legal perspicuity, Out Wuiortunate- it will burd.y eXciuae What toe devence are so anxious (Ogetin. We bave given ho eviience of this interview. Woar is the position ? We charge, that bon persons have coniessed their adultery, and now, a year later, they Come ont WACO & iaoricated jnterview Wich Laey claim to be Moai and piOvs in al) 18 mtenis, 18 there eny rule vi evideuce Walch justifies accused parties in getting Up ab Mmferview ber Ween themseives to answer Wwe charges wade against tiem? The law Tequires evidence of w certain coaracter, of & nature that shull leave toeaca the right to prove the ruth or saisity of tae alleged transaction. Tne jaw does not permit proof to be munutace tured. ; Beecher closed his eyes and bis head drooped Upon his bosom as Beach thungered along, asking, in the course of his argument, “Shall the labri- cated testimony Of this man and his mistress be adusttea?’ and a pause ensued and the biood mounted to the cutusel’s face and his eyes snot jorth a fire of more thaw provessioual earnestness, Mr. Evarts—We only desire to show the position and invent. Tue Juage—I think you are at liberty to prove What occurred at t.e luterview. Mr. kvacte—it¢ 18 opiy to show that nothing about previous or sabsequent macters occurred at thls interview, | | | | | | | not quite satisfied and made ane concluding Dy suggesting that ould be asked the simple question 1 ior the deiendant ciaime is all be gument, the Witness taat the cou wants to know. Mr. Eva going to answer, when the Judge said, “Ask what occurred at the interview.” Q. What toox place at the interview? A, went into the parlor, | sac down, | listened, I marked @ Daraage in tae Bible, 1 got ap and Went hom Q@ What was the passage iu the Bible you Marked? A. From toé fourth to the seventh verse of the (hirteen(h Corinthians, Q Did you read it? A, 1 did not read It, Q@ Will you read it now? Mr. Beacuh—I ovject. Alter consideruvie legal discuselon, Mr. Evarts Fequested fo have the Verses read, but the Judge Would nut admit them at present. Q That closed that interview ? BRGINNING AGAIN. When the lawyers hud deen disentangled Mr, Beeoner rejatea in a few words toe interview with Mra, Tilton, Be went imto tie perior, bowed and marked a passage in the Bid Wout passage?” asked (he Counse), Mr. Beecne: took a@ gilt clasped Cops Of the Bivie and Was avout io read it when the plant's coanse! ovjected and the ovjection ww susiained by (he Juage q Under what circams'a A. Yoo, air, ces have you met or been in the courpuny v1 us, Tilton auce 18707 A. i have the recouection of meetiug her vace at Mr. Moulton’. fuse jn Decemver 1874 aud I tet her once last summer, tu isT4 | & Mave you Met ver ob the s1rees oF at your the | osed Offence are to be received, | NEW YORK HERALD, WEDNESD own olureh? A. | have met her cwice on the | Mr. Beach--What letters are you alluding to ? | iaW makes the marked distinction, | | | DOt ap- | | has ahead of nair that defles description, It ts | | meaniny | siree!; 1 do not recollect any other meetings. Q. Do you remember the date Of tuese meet t { bave Only a remembrance of a eting. m ). How long were those meetings? A. In one case | think 1 walked avout a block with her and im the other case | walked With ber as far as ber house, but did not go in, \ in connecuion wita the Sunday school, do you recollect any meeting? A. I ao not recall | any. A Q. Did you meet her at any of your visita to the Sunday svnovl? A. I do not recail any. | fo q Atyour Friday evening meetinis? A, Ldo = recollect any interview, but I fancy { met er, Q. Did you speak? cept the ordinary greeting, ( On Sugday, at chureh? A, I may have met her, but | do not recoliect any conversation ex- cept, peraaps, passing & lew woras coming out of enurch, Q. Have you met her often at your house? A. I bave seen her at my house since the time you re- jer 10, but not to have auy long conversation. mr. Evacts then asked Judge Morris lor some documents, and as soon us he received them he gave oue to Mr. Beecher aud asked him it he re- aad it? A. Idon’tremember, but I suppose I id. Q. Was thar tetter from Mr. Tilton preceded by any Communication oa your party Ihave no recollection of anything. q Doyou remember any suggestion? A. I re- member no suggestion, but I rememoer @ habit of mine. Q. Waat habit do you allude to? A, 1 carried to Mr, Moniton ail lecters taat 1 taought proper, as [ thougut it was right be should know everything beariug on the case. Mr. Evacts—Piease read that letter through; do you remember receiving it? A. [do, Q Was this letier from Mrs, Tilton? A. Yes, sir. Q. Was that preceded by any communication t A. I do not recoilect any. Mr. Evarts—I will read this letter, MORE NEST-HIDING. The document Was the tauous “nest hiding’? letter, Woere Mrs. Tilton speaks of her weapous of love, Gntiring generosity aud nestmdiog. Alter Mr. Evarts had read the letter tn his measured method of elocunon, he dived into the heart of the matter by asking if the come pound word was oi Mr. Beecher’s invention. “No, sir; 1t iS not my word in aay sense or Way,” said the witness, In a positive tone, ‘Then came an- other Jeading question, “What did you under- stand oy that word when you received this? Mr, Beach objected twice, but the Court admitted the answer, which Was that Mr. Beecher under. stood !¢ Lo be simply hiding her domestic troubles. ‘This endea the moruing session, and the Court rose for recess, AFTER RECESS. the same large audience came together. Ex- Speaker Binine sat beside the Judge, and looked out on the audience and on the counsel with a curious interest, He hada good opportunity to pick out the best mau for Attorney General of the United States when he becomes President, as an argument happened to be going on atthe time between the three great counsel—Evarts, Beach and Fullerton, Here tne Judge gave a decision such as might be expected from Solomon. The point in dispute was the construction of a letter from Mrs. Tilton to Mr. Beecher. The counsel Jor tue plaintiff pro- tested against the witness giving his construction of the letter. The Judge said, in effect, that Mr. Evarts was a competent judge of the English lane guage, and that he could construe a simple ques- tion of words as well as the witness, MORE LETTERS. Q. Did you receive tuat ietter and make a mem- ordadam of the date ou which you received 1? A. Jt looks like my writing when I wrote very ourly; I thiak it is,aud thati made itat tuat ume. @ It has no date? A, No, sir. “THE BIRD HAS SUNG 1N MY HEART THESE FOUR WEES.” Wepwespay. My Dran Fetexp—Does your heart bound toward all as it used? So does mine! ‘Lam myself again. did not Gare to cell vou til: 1 Was sare; bat the bird has sung in my heart these ‘our weeks, and he has covenanted with mée never again tu leave. I thougni it ing has come."* Kecause a to Know this, and not to, troupie or embarrass you in auy way, I now write. Of course i should like to share with you my Joy; but can wail for the Beyond! When dear frank says I ma Plymouth 1 will chang the dear Fa Q. Now, Mir. Beecher, had any letter passed from you to Mrs, Tiiton except that letter of the Ttn of February irom her to your receiving this jetter? A. None that I know of, sir. Q. Doyou remember the letter of February 9 that was spoken of vesterday? A, ¥ . Tnis is the first letter, as far as you know, tbat you received irom her alter your letter of the 7th vevruary? A. Y2s, sit. Q. Woieh bas been given im evidence sent to her husbaod? A. Yes, sir. Q. Now, sir, 1s there anything in the expressiot of this letter, 18 there any reierence which you re- coguized toen or now, any speciai or covert meaniog? A. No, sire Q. What Was your understanding of that letter thea? ANOTHER ORJECTION. Mr. Beach expressed his aisogreement with the Jearncd cuuasel vi the otuer sice, in the proposl- tion that tais letter 18 evidence and 1s adimissio1e only from the manner in which it was received and understooa vy Mr, Beecner, That was not the question, Tne letter, to be sure, as the act of Mrs. ‘Tiiton, Was oniy made evidence by the circum. Atance that it Was communicated to Mr. Beecuer, adcressed to anu received oy him, but the mupor- tant point connected with the letter was Wuat were the sentiments of Mrs. Tilton os expressed and repeated in the iletier 48 com iuunicated, Lot as 4 Communication to Mr. Beecher; not bow he understvod it nor how he leit when ne received it, bat how Mrs. filton felt and what her feeiogs were at tue time as represented in the letier. Air, Beecher may state any uctof his at the tlme he received the tecter. te might give any expressions o1 approbation or dissent at the time he received the letter as apart ol the act Ci receiving If, UUt It is Dot Open to him | asa witness tu expr what he understood oy the language in tu ter, To give it his con. struction aud efect I suomit is simply inadmuissi- bie. The Judge—What act, if any, was connected | with the ietter ¥ Mr. Fullerton suggested that there was no need for this discussion, Taey nad lost signt of: tne jact that there was ao answer to Mrs. Tilton’s letter by Mr. Beecher, and this letter was in evi- agence. The interpretation of tha: letter was to 0e governed b, what Mr, Beecher wrove att e time, and not by apything that appeared in the letver now. Tne Court would remember that, after seal- ing that letter, tae witness repiied, and in that | reply there is $ach an intimate correspondence — between the two letters shows that one is the answer to toe otner. Mr. Evarts observed that he only contended for ») any covert or secret meaning in the sfon—The answer be made will show Beecher uuderstood and appreciated the jeter. Mr. Evaris—That answer has been put in evi- dence, Tnis we will daly show when tue rignt and proper time arrives, Mr. Fullettoa—you may produce that yourself, so as to arrive at the tact whut toe letter was. Mr. Evaris—They are in evidence, Eaca letter can, I suppose, be taken up by itself. The Judve—You can show by (nis witness what he said or cid on receipt o: the letter, Mr. Evaris—Weil, sir. I will say— Tae Judge—You can get at the tact in this way, Mr. Lyarts<I supnove 1 have arignt to get it in @ plain and straigntiorward manner, Mr. Fullerton—Ihat way has deen pointed out by me in tae wri'ten auswer 10 t letter. Mr. Evarte—Woat knowledge have you that itis @ “ritcen answer to the letter? it is notany part of my case. Mr. Fatierton—There ia something | know which ig not} ar’ cl your case. Mr. Evar s—You know, I suppose, what you have undertaken to say, and 1 am aware of what I am going 10 prove. Mr. Pullertou—I am well aware ot what I Rave proved. wr. Evarts—What you think or suppoxe you have prvveu, ual It 18 searcaed into vy some one eise, Mr. Failerton—Don’t grow too scriptura’ Mr. ris- I ask whether tne jecter com to Mr. Beecher any spevial or covert meaning growing out Of any previous relations exiting beiween fi usel! aad Mrs. Tilton, Mr. Beach—Weil, sir, 1 that letter had not been aiready answered 1 should object to it The Jadge—I think the question may be answered. Mr. Beecher—It conveyed to me a special but no covert meaning; it was a letter wiich— Mr. Beaca~—Only answer the question. Q (sy Mr. Evaria). Woat did you understand from (he €Xpressious ol tue vetter? ‘ Mr. Beuch—Taat 18 just Waa: we have ovjected 0. The Judge—in thia you come to a construction of tie Eogiish ianguage. Mr. Evarts—I do not ask him What a single word means, but I ask nim what the expressions Meant, looking to the situation of events between vhem. Beach—Establish the circumstances, d then he can teil wo the expres- e Judge—Ihe imputetion bas been denied by the witness, Mr, Evarts—An imputation ls made of @ mean- ng. ihe Judge—You can, then, ask him the meanti Mr. Evarte—No; Ihave asked Mr. Beecuer Wi the letter couveyed to bis mind, udge—He fas answered that it conveyed rhe No covert meaning. Mr. Bvar a—| tink such an imputation cannot be drawn irom ih ‘Tue Judve—i think, from the construction and meaoing of the Koglish language, tnat you are re to @ inielligence between your Tiltou? A, Luey Go. q Whicn are they? A, The whole lettor. A, The Words of the q What were those? Jotier. Mir, Beach—Walt a moment, G. Wout were those matyers? A. I do not recollect, ex- once again go to old | ther. give AY, APRIL 7, 1875—QUADRUPLE SHEET. | Mr. Evarts—This one, sir, | Mr, Beach—The only ana proper way is to show the circumstances ont of which this matter arose, and then ieave tae construction to be drawn by | the Court and jury—let them draw their owa conclusions, if tere is po special relation or efile teonnecred with the writing ol the letter, 16 is then with.o the province of the Gourt and jury to assign siguificance to the fact. The sudge allowed the question and the ste- nograpner read if as 10liow: Waa) are those matters mer effor's made by Moulion, t A, There had boen iilton and myse f to uring About a inore wholsome sta e of | leeliug in the honseuold of Mr. Ti.ton ; avout four | Weeks had elapsed when I received tnis letter Mr, Mouicon came back from the South | took nim to my library and taiked with him about thts | letter, showing the happy state o/ things existing as the resuit of his final clearing up effort; I don’y remember that [ made any auswer to this letter; 1 have the last clause of the letter beiore me, When Frank sas, “1 can once ugulp go to old Plymouth, and thank thee, dear Father,” wnat did you know or uoderstand between Frank and herselit A. Nothing about it; it was their own business, and I doa’t recollect that it came to me at all except from the letter; I saw there was something in it; tdon’t know what it was. Did Mr. Moulton peak to you concerning that clause of the letter? A, I don’t recollect. Mr. Beacn—lIs that the same memorandum? ir. kvarts—It 18 a new memorandum o1 dat It is the same which we have offered to sbow you. Mr, Beecher—I have likewise here the printed copy oi documents and letters, upon which I have Fre suggestivus, These are printed copies oi the jecers. Mr. Beach—Well, sir, a8 I had supposed, this turns out to oe sometning more than a Memoran- dum ot dates, There are subjeois classified and arranged so as to suggest tue suojec mat spoken of, under particular heads, 1 think tm incompetent, Mr, Evarts—How incompetent ? Mr. Beach—It ts not competens for & witness to reduce his testimony ib writing wholly or in part. Mr, Kvarts—Tbe paper 1 am referring to is tne paper spoken olat the outset; it was offered to you and you made no objection. Mr. Beach—I didn’t, but whef I thought there was in it sumething of substance, { made inquiries in regard to it. ‘The Judge—it may be @ too full memorandum. Mr, Beach—Cau Mr, Evarts use tc if 1 be a too full memoranda ui, The Juage—Yes. Q. Look at No. 13, which 1s one of your letters; look at Lhe passage, “1 am now at home here with my sister.’? }Joes this passage reier to the period when Mrs. Perkins was your housekeeper in your wie’s absence? A. Yes sir; this letter was writ- ten during that period; that was the pertod at which Mrs, Perkins Was at My house; she was with me in the winter season; tue winter and spring seasons of 1872 and 1873. Mr. Evarts—One of them 1872 and 1873, and was the otner in 1871 and 1872? A. If 1 recollect right Ske was there with me in the spring o! 1872 and 1873, Q. But not in the spring of 1871? A, That is my impression; 1 think she Was not, Q. Well, 1t 18 in evideuce. The evidence is exact as to the time. A. Weil, that must be the evi+ dence of somebouy else. Q. Well, during this period of the interviews that took place in the eariy winter of 1871, between you Mr. Moulvon aud Mr, filton, was your sister then your hvusekeeper? A. No, air, Q. This letter you have in your hand must have been wiitten i 1872 or 1873? A, 1872, Q. Has this ietier woich L have here any relation to the letter of Mrs, Tilton to you o: March 8, 1871? A. No, sir; none, Q. It 1s not, then, an answer to your letter? A. It is nut. Mr. Evarts read the letter, as follow: The blessing of God rest upon you! Every spark of light and warith in your own house will be # star and ty dwelling. Your note broke like spring upon ud gave me an inward rebound toward lie. Noon Lever kuow—none bur God—torough what A dreary Wilderness < hive wandered. There was Mt. Sinai, there was the barren sand, there was the alterna. tion of hope and despair that marked the pilerimaye of old. If onty it wight 1ead to the promised land, or, like Moses, shail [ die on the borer? Your hope aud courage are like medicine. Should God inspire you to restore | and rebui'd at home, and while doing it to cheer and sustain outside of it ‘another who sore.¥ needs belp in heart and spir.t, 10 will prov and, in another world, the emancipated ort to you now and then to send | me a le ter of true inwardiiess—tie outcome of your Lam now at home here sister, and itis permitted to you and will be an jog refreshinent to me, for Your heart expori- | Inner hte—It would be saie, fur with a} je are oiten like bread irom heaven to the hungr | God has enriched your moral nature. May not others | pariuke? Q. To what relation or situation between youre seli and Mrs. Tilton does that letter relate? Obdjected to, Overruled, Mr. Beecher Went on to say tnat this letter re- lated to the condition Of Mr, Tilton’s iamily, in regard to which hiwiself, Mr. Tilton and Mr. Moul- ton were engaged in attempting to harmonize and restore confidence between husband end wit thought he hid seen ao improvemout woen he labored sedulously to restore peace to the hous hold, ana he encouraged Mrs, Tilton, a8 her pastor and ‘ber friend, to use every meaus withio the compass Of her power, to remove tue sorrow that surroanded her. Q. The latver part of the letter, Mr. Beecher, | contains these words, ucderscored:—"Send me a | letter of true inwardness.”” Was tnere any spec jai or conventional meaning in the words? A. N only whether she coud write to me of her re- ligious seeings, as distinguished from ber exter- | nal sentimenis. Q. There is another ptrase in the letter— It would be sae, for I am at home with inv | sister.” Was there any specta: or covert meaning it? ‘oO; out that by agreement taere ¥ hindrance to our social rela that was in Fevruary, 1871. Q. Do you remember whether this letter w: written subsequent to @n luterview which hi been spoken of in the testimony of Mr. Tilioa— an luterview yoo had with bim in the cars at Springfleia? A, 1 do not Know that I can;l remem. | ber tuat 1 had an interview Witu him ia the cars | at Springteid, | @ Can you eay that letter was written tn 1872, subsequent to your interview with air, Tilten in tae cais? A. I caauot recail anything avout It. ¥. Do you know now eariy in the winter of 1872 your wiie Jet your house 10 travel ior her health ? A. She eit iv at duferent times and at different seasous. | Le ‘er banded to witness. He said, ‘I have It is dated 20tn re etter. January, 1872, ana addressed to Mrs. Tliton. in this letter Mr. Beecher says he Is standing on the ecige Of another ule; that he snail be a next | Week giving a course of lecture hat bts wie had taken tue boat for Floriaa; that ue bad cared on Mrs. Tilton on Weduesday, out found sne was Out; and that le hoped tuat she was now growing stronger ana happier, Mr. Beecher suid that letter must have been written woeu te Was a home with bis sister. | _Q Now, sir, here isa strip of paper pat 1m evi- | dence? A, That paper is io my handwriting. | Can you Cunvect that slip or memorandam | with any otner letier, or can yon say tt was in- | Closed 10 any other ietter? A. | cau’t remember. Q. Does it connect itaelf in your mina or mem- ory with any otner letter? A. No, sir, State on what occasion ti ter Was writ- | teu—tue same one I read iastto tne jury? a. Why, | don’t understana What you mean exactly, | sir, ‘Do you mean that— | Q What event or circumstance occurred in the family oi Mr. Tilon? A, fue deata ot Mr. Tiiton’s mother occurred about that time; 1 didn’t atcend the faneral. Mr, Beach—Was this letter written with respect | to that c.reunrstance ? i Wituess—No, it was daring that period, | Mr Beach—L cumstance gave Cause to the lerter. i By Mr. EVarts—iaat event bad just happened in the housenold of Mr. itltony A, It was near tat time, Q Weil, within what time? A, [can’t say, st Q Was it very near, iudeed? A. Yes, it w near, Q. Within a few days? A. Well, I should say Wituin a week or a fortnight. q Now, im looking at that letter, do you recall any special circamstance to whieh that re- Jerred or Woicd led 10 the writing Oi that quota. tion and tue residue of the lever. A. Weil, it was | a letter written, as mear as 1 can recoliect, sir, 10 | fartoerance Of tue sume line ot efforts, toat I nave spoken Of again and aguin and again, to keep heart ana courage in Mrs. Tilton, aud irom time to time co let her know that 1 thougnt of her and prayed for her ani Was looking to see the good | Irut ct her own endeavor, This was wri on | Saturday, and I was going to ve gone w € | Week, rignct straiynt along, and 1 wrote to tel her | that I baa called to see ber. Mr. Beach—Ii submit, sir, that— | Mit. Bvarte—You did teil her you had called | tosee her? A. Yes, in tne letter, Q So stated in tne letter? A. Yes, in the letter, Q. Well, that speacs for tteelf, of courae, Did | you Know at the time of writing’ this letter of the care or attention that Mra. Tuton ha: given tot Dursivg of Mr. Tiltoa’s brother? A. Taid, Q You bau been iniormed of that? A. I nad, Now how had you learoed of inet? A. load learned it rom Mra. Morse, | thing, peregens § Q Bur you had heard of it? A, I naa neara of te Q Was it a projonged iilness and nursing? A. I can’t say about that very definitely; ou I re- memper his being @ feeble person, and | had seen pim there jor years belore, trum time to the, and | Knew him to be @ very deiicate and feeole person. I beard o: bis pelog in the hospital, or in ihe “ Retreat,” and 1 'd Of his death, and | heara also of Mra. Tilton’s a Q Now, you had culled upon her, had you, when | g lever was written? A, Yes; cailed at ner ou | _@ And aidn’t her? A. I didn’t see her; she Was out. | Q she was out? A, So they said, | _ Q You satd yon liad to leave town for a consider. | able absence? A, it would be an absence that | Would run to spring, taking out Loe nears o: tue Woek. Q, It waa & prolonged occupation of certain days of the week? A. I bad tweive lectures to deliver in Now Now, there wi o's leave ing for Havana t ay Special OCOamson OF purpose for wen unin) Mr. Beaci—i object to that, Bir, MY, Kvarte—it¢ proper subject of injoran: tion bere toas were Was & speviai Cocasiou und puro aay json—You might state the iact tliat she J | wy to Gave, ‘ sthess—s00 Was to leave, stdting the chunge thay bad taken place; When | a lite so noble as few are | ne | Understood him (o ask what cir- | varts—The Imputatio’ mas been, if Your That Chis Wis sLISEMENT TO MRS, TILTON inat it wonld be $a@ for her (¢ make visits to b1a house because ois wife Was tbe gone. That the lengin and breadtn of the imparation made, and 1 ask him one distinct question whether that | | Slatemeut was made With wuy special purpose or wutent. Mr, Beach—And that 1s objected to, because that is 10 be derived om tie langage of the letter. . | Mr, Hvares—[ chink not. | Mr, Beaco—Well, sir, take th¢extreme instance, that Mr. Beecher wad write ta note ia direct terms to Mra, Tilton Inviting Het Lo visit Nis house, for the reason that it would ve late, bis wile being absent. « gnuge of the letier py saying Wiat bis purpose or Intent Was? Are We bot (o derive it from fis acts | aud irom lis declarations made at the time, and Lot trom any interpretation Le nay chuose to place IL pow? f Evar's—Why, if your H¢uor please, tf this Janguage has auy possible signiicance other than ifs OWn forms, and When it 18 imputed that in a | letter irom a gentleman to a lady a statement of a domestic Jaci—that Mrs. Beecizr wus to leave at Acertain time—1s brought tn fr the purpose of making an imputation that 11 was advance Ip- formation to cover an assignatbn, and the party that wrote it is on tie stand—why, theo, itis competent, by every rule of evidence, to show he had no suco meanl I ask your Hunor’s avien- tion to the case of Mickey vs. burlington Insure ance Company. (Here the counsel quoted the decision of the Supreme Court o1fowa in this case, which, he argned, sustained nim in his right to @3k the question.) ae Fs hati question reacies much further an that. Maa, Evarts—All I ever claimed, as { understand Q. Now, Mr, Beecher, in this annonncement of the fact of che proposed diy of your wile’s leaving was rere any inteat or purpose mm respect of any vislis of Mrs, Piiton? A, Nowe whatsvever. Q. And, asa matter of tact, was she ab your house thereatter ? A, No, sir; she was not, Q. (Showlug paper.) t litte note refers to your seeing Mra. Tilton ‘next Friday” if you don’t see her to-morrow, “if I don’t see you to. morrow I will see you next Friday.” A, ‘lt I do..’tsee you to-morrow night [ will next Friday.’? Q. Now can you trom that memorandum recall any circumstance or date or day of the week on Woich that was written? A. 1 can’t fix it ag to time definitely; 1 recollect the circumstance; L know Mrs, Titon wissed to see me about her mother, and I dropped this hasty uote to say if I ana see her Friday nigot [ would the next Fri- ay nigo. Q. Yes: well, the frst Friday night was a future prayer meetmg? A, Was to-morrow, Q. So that your view 1s that note was writte: on fhurday ¥ A, On Tharsday; | know there ws suco an occurrence, and I suppose tis to be note reerring (0 it. Q. Where on iriday night wonld you have her? A. In the lectare room, or aiter the lee: Q. Is tbat the reference to Friday nigat That's what Luncerstand it, sir. Q. At that time, as now, Friday night wi regular lecture and prayer meeiing? A, I has ooen any otner—tine regular prayer night; and it is the might of errands, i and s0 Ob af the close. | Q Well, now, what 1s the habit at th changes vetween you @9 pastor and tho congregation Who present themselves; any privagy abont them’ A, No, sir take place in the front; in the eluster oj Q. Yes; in the public room? A. Alwa Q And in the presence of suchas A. Yes, sit; they stop irom twenty to fifty, one hundred sometiines, aud generally tnere are irom ittle errands or engagemenis, or aiaily sk wha day tney can come and see me; there are persons to know 1 L | Can attend to Daptisms aud some persons want to | Know if Lhave rec.ived a note or wt 1 will col | and take tea with them and a thousand tictie | things of that kind; | am out of town so much If 13 DIFFICULT TO GET af MI | Q. (Showiny Witne-s a paper) Please look at | nfs levrer (letter from Mrs, Morse, Uctober 21, 171). Say 1f you remember receiving It and deliv. | ering 1. to Mr, Moulcop? A. 1s it in 1871? | Q Oetover 21, 1871, If seems ro oe dated, A. It | 18 hér handwriting; li you wil allow me (0 read it In print, it 18 80 Maen easier, Q. Yes, you can turn to it. be fixed in some way The date seems to vtistactory ro all of ua, Ob, | teisdated October 24; it has aiways been printed | as Octover 21. [don’t know as it is—whetoer it | 1s the 2ist or 2th. Well, tt is at the close of the | ssage, have you foundit? A. Yes, sir; Ihave it in prints Q Well, sir, at the other end of it—“Do you know i thivk it 48 Strange you shoald ask me to cali you soa.’ What Goes that reler to? A, A conversation Ihad with her at a wedaing; she Was uncer @ great deal of feeling uod felt sne | Was—— Mr. Beach—I, l—— nh he come torware and deay the lan | y aid he give you @ sir. ; Ward Beecher and your wife | harrative of that kind A, | . Or resemoling it? A, No, str. | .Q, Did ne say to you that waen she said that te nim this announcement filled tim (Mr. Tilton with astonisament, and “that Mrs, Woodnnil sat to me, ‘1 read, sir. by the expression on your 1ac@ that my charge is irae; A, de never stated any! bing of that Kind to ma. ©, Dia be then ay to you tis or Its equ valent, “4 told lim that I could not remember in what worde Lhad met and endeavored to throw oF her accuse sation; that she imstautiy lollowed tc ‘with a reek tal in vehement ferns, 1 most excites manner, of a dozen or twenty particulars, extravagant on violent, all of which, or a portion of tf, sne alter. ward gathered tose her in the card of November 2, 1s72”? A, No, sir; he went inro no suca detailé with me, Mr. Eyarts—Mr, Tilton said that last statement of course Was not @ statement then m: but waa a description of what sie had told him, Of course itis proper to qualliy my question, Yo witness—Now did Mr. Titon on that occa. sion give you this narative as having been told him by Mrs, Woodnuil, **Phe,substance of the story waich aoe told me Was that there had been a crim: ane relationship between Mr. Beecher and Mra iton Mr. Morris—Objected to. Mr. Tilton didn’t tes: tify he told that to Mr, Beecher, and tuat line o questioning is improper. Mr. Evarts—I will read it: “I told him thats had read it with a shudder and that as soon as} had fiuisned the reading of it aud iaid down the aper, She turned upon me and asked: now ‘Do you sir, to whom refer in that card?) “E Beecher [ haa leit Mrs, Woodhull to go ta rons: ge Netilson—lt 13 not the intention to take any evidence oi conversation between Mr, Tiltom and Mrs, Woodhull—that is ao independent cone versation. Mr. Evarts—That is very plain, Weil I think J am entitled to ask fim w iether be did say that Judge Neiisvn—Well, you may asx him that. Did, then, Mr. T1iton repeat to you, as of am interview, or the interview he had aad with Mrs, Woodhull, this or anytiiug like it, “Lhe substance of THE STORY WHICH SHE TOLD MB was that there had been a criminal relationship between Mr. Beecher and Mrs, Tilton; that Mrs, Tlton had coniéssed it on her door steps, I bes lieve, to’ Mrs. Davis, of Providence, and to other persons, and that when I had received the intelit+ gence from her I tad used some Violence upon her; that 1 had taken her down to Greenwood Cemetery, and in tie presence of the graves ot her chi/drea stripped her hand of the wedding ring which 1 had once put there, and had tram- ed it with my heel into tue sod of the grave ot ohne Of her children; that 1 had become a drunk ard iM consequeuce of that calamity and haa on numerous occastons struck my wile; that I had Kicked her during pregnancy; that 1 had in everg way vilifed und aonsed her; that I vrougot this crime to ube atcention of Mr. Beecher through Mr, Moulton, and thut be had gone do wo—» Moulton, had gone down—to Mr. Beecuer, With & pistol pomced ar Ms head or breast had demanded back some papers at the peril ol his lie. She wene on in thatstraip. f wilt ao undertake to give ail the particnlars; bul, as said before, 1 may repeat that | saw them alter. ward gavnered together in the article oj November 2, 1s72."7 Now, 1u bis account of the interview with Mrs. Woudhuli did ne give you apy narrative ortnat kind ? A, He did nor. Mr. Morris—Doos Mr, Tilton say he stated that to Mr. Beecher? Mr. Evaits—£ don’t say it does, We get it in the idea he was saying it. Mr. Morris—We Onject to it. Mr. Evarrs—lhere was no other polat of view in which you had a right to introduce it. Mr, Morris—My recoliection on the subject is that Mr. Tilton related no suca interview to Mr. Beecher as as been repeated by Mr. Evarts now. Mr, Evarts—Well, Mr. Beecner’s recoliection will tell him. Witness—That 1s my recollection. Mr, Moriis—Oae monent, one moment. My point is that Mr, Tilton did 29¢ so state, Judge Neison—If tuat 1s 80 It would be a good ovjection. r. Morris—Ob, now it 13 a matter to be settled now. Judge Netison—I don’t know how it came on the minutes. Mr. Morris—We deny that Mr. Titon testified that he toid tnat to Mr, Beecher, Mr, varts—It 1s rigatin the beily of the general narrative, preceded by What he stuted, and loliowed by what he stated, a3 ananswWer to @ general question, “What occurred oa that ocow sion?” Mr. Falierton—It has ng more business there than Jonan nad, Mr. Evarts (to witness)—Please state what oc curred oN that Occasion; that 13 your 1oterview With irs, Woodhdi—euy interview with Mra. Mouiton—Mrs, Woodnuil? (Laugnter.) Judge Netlson—I am very Clear that we can’t re- ceive evidenve Of wny Couversation between Mr. rf Padawan to you about her did, | ok it 18 quite competent for us | what Rud passed between him and Mrs, | £ to sow orse whica led to that expression Of hers—tnat she tuctght it strange be sould ask her to cail | nim son | | Judge Netlson—If the witness answers it was | | an interview between nim and Mra, Morse which | led to this, Wouid if L@ necessary to enter into conversation ? Mr. Lvarte—We imtrodaced the letter for notuing eis9 but tals, Luat it was the imbroglio of | the family thay gave rise to ths; now I want to | know what that Was—w at passed between Lim and Mrs, Morse, | Yo witness—Now, what arose between you | and Mrs. Morse ? A. Weil, tt Was, simply, she had | Ho CouuSsEL; NO One she Conld go to; Hue Could Not o to her daugnter, und | said to her, “fake coua- sel of me. 981i 1 were your sou;” It was a com- | jimentary and courteous statement, made off | 4D i, WiUOUL ANY particular Considerations, but | ¢ seized upon itagdaiter—— | | on (to the witness) You understand | _ that to be the Meaning Oo: theeXpression, A. Yes, | sir, that was. } by Mr. Evarts—What wedding wastnis? A. I! don’t kuow. Dv you remember whether it was Miss Brad- shaw's wedding! i thiuk not, sir; it may nave been that weduing. Q. It may have been Miss Bradshaw's? A. Yes, | air; but Leau't adiem it ac preseut, | Q You say sue spoke'o! trouble and of having | no counselor. Wat troubie was it she reierred | to? What trouble Was it sae relerred to ta reier- ence to this? A. Troavle in the tamtiy of her daayhter, anu ber own (roables came up also, Were they matters o! pecuniary consideration thatsue reerred to? A. It was ouiy in part that, | sir; it Was— | Air, Keacn—Oue moment, | Mr. Evarig—Lhat gave che orlgia to the phrase | used by her, conceruing wuich 843 Writes you? | Mr. Palerton—I object to Ite Jadge Nelisoa (0 witae-s)—s0 far as you know? Mr. b Ss you know? know Well the letter speaka of it; her phra Is. strau@e thas you should ask me to ‘aid you @t any time ever ask cover Way than you & now } . ke counsel with you? A. No, sir. Q Beeche , do you remember ion May. 1871, or thereavouts, auy thing arising in reference tu & card of Mrs. Wood ull that appeared in some of tue New York papers’ A. Lao, TILTON'S ACCOUNT OF HI3 VISIT TO MRS. WooD- HULL. Q. How was that brow to your notins and by | Whom? A, 1 doa’t know, sir; I saw it im the | paper. | | Q You saw ityourselr? A. Yes, sir. | @ inthe paper? A. Yes, sir. | Q. About tae time it appeared? A, Witnio a | day or two. } Q. When did it become a matter of conversation between sir. Moultvn and you aud Mr, Titten ana you? A. Ichink it was Witoin a day or two; Lhave ihe tmpression tie aay followiag, butt can’t say | quite cercainiy, Q. Now What occurred between you aud Mr. Tilton and Mr. Moulton, or beta, then consequent Upon the Appearance of this card? a. The only thing 1 recollect Was an interview With Mr. Tioa alter; @day of two alterward, ta waieh ave Me aD account of His Visit 10 Woodaall, Q. Weil Just state bow he ceserioed that inter- view? A, Weil, Sif, he sald tnar as S000 as he saw that card he Was sstiefied that it bad reference to him aud his housenvid, and that determined ne would gO right dowa himsell personally, aud i poxsivie put a stop to that matter that tt por- tended; be said tuat he prepared himself, that he | Might see her at his best; he gave me an account, thereiore, of | HOW RE GOT HIMSELY UP, and went down ana met Mra, Woodaall; asked if 16 Was Airs, Woouiul; ne sata it was; told her Who we Wai ine roceeded to say that he had seen a Card in (he morning papers, and wished to ask Whether that card revered to tim and ais jamily, ANd that soe said it did; and then ne said be never in iis ike brouyht to bear on any naman being such an amouut of per had Upon her; Ge Was devermined that be would carry her wih him by his inflwence, and that alter some considerable conversation he suc. ceeded, and when he leit it was with the ander- standing that Ail proceedings 1a that dyrection, that were offensive to vim of that Kiad spoula oe adjourned or termiuated, | aon’t Know exacty Which; that Was (he suvsiamce of the stavement he made tome. Q. Did he mention any argument or induce- Meat 10 regard to lus owa position iu relereace to her views (hut he had asea with ner? A. He did; he told me that he reproacued her Jor atteiapung to make War on hima, inasmuch as he, like her, Was a safere. irom prociamming substantially (he same Lieus Of Social Paliosopiy aNd Of divorce ag she did; ldid foc wuderstand him to say the sume jull theories ol social reorganization, but the sane sUval initia! theories of tue verty of the fadividual and of divorce, q Did Mr. lilton ever give you any other ac. count Of «uy laterview or visit to Mis, Woodtuil On Wiis 80OTe, On tuls subject, than thal you have now fiven? 4. Do you meaa relating (0 that care Relating to that curd, or to an interview he had wit" Mrs. Woouhas 1 reference to that card? A. Tdou't recall any other. @ oa @ apy time that when he pdhuil Of the sa ject of the cara that #he turned to fun alter he bed read the paoer and asked hun, “bo you kooW, ate, to whom i reier tu that cara?” isu toe im taut I repiied in @ cavaver way, ‘ow can Lted to Whom you Fever iu # bind curs ike this fT told Lim thot she | Bad When said, 4b Teer, wr, FO Khe Kev, Meury | not o Tilt-o aua Mrs. Woodhull. I dou’t recoiect this as Naving occurred, though it may have been tu: ho said ne told Mr. Reecuer, Mr. Evaits—We uaderstand that it is all J under this question, “Pea! state whet occarred ou that occasion?’ which was an interview be. tween Mr. Tilton and Mr. Beecher in the presence of Mr. Muuiton, Judge Netlson—We Will take the answer suject to correction. wit Evarte—Yes, 1 suppose that is the proper aye Jadge Netlson—And it will be stricken out if we find it 1s wrpng. Mr. Evarts (reading from Titton’s testimony)— “L told Mr. Bgectter tuat I hud te.t Mrs. Woodhull te go to Mr. Moulton; that I hid iniormed wir, Mouk ton briety and hurriediy of that strange inter View; that Mr. Moaiton had instanrly said the | Woman must be crazy; she must be dealt witn: J wust see Ler; L told Mr. Beecaer tuat in purs® ance oj that determination by Mr. Moultoa he and 1 wok a carriage Lbeneve tuet very Light, at all events @ night or two aiterward, but very near that time, and we vrove to Mrs, Woodnuil’s house; I told Mr, Beecuer that we there—we, tuatis Moulton and 1—nad had aa ine terview Wiill Mrs. Woodaull; toat durigg this ine tervieW she occupied ot attention Bot with tne. Story, eXcept iu very silgut part, ou» mainly wito an eXtravagant account of her views of Spiritual ism); that sne had siood in the midsie v1 & floor aud had ouilt a Kind of laduer with ver o between the earth anu the Neavens, on whten s sid the eng ascended and descended.” (1¢ wituess)—Did he you .nat narrative? A. NO, Inever beard it dati 1 heara it nere. Mr. xvarte (readtog) that there Was com: manication between tae tWo Worlds; tMAt she had relerred sugaotiy to my interview and to scaadal, and that Mr. Mogitoa tad said to that it was Wrong for @uyoudy to be vindictive, wroug jor any Woman to speak ill of another, and ie mv. that she had only w go to Brookiyn to see Tit»O and ane Woula flaad in her delicate gentic M.nners aud jue aa any such cruel stury f’ A. Mr, Tilton never told me any sacb thi Q@ d in this interview between you and Mr Tilton aoout this interc urse—this laterview De tween Mr. ode nuli—aid ae toid Mr. Beecher that Mr, coming aWay that night, haa discassed ip to Car riaue NOW We should getaiong with Mrs. Woods wali; that Mr, Moulton expressed on that eccasiog his full conviction (iat the woman Was ima her. right mind, mast be dealt wita as a person and by kindaess, and I That it he had any su gestions in the matier as 'o how we showd meet this new danger—conirom! this new egemy, f wanted to hear \Aem ?” ‘To Witness—Do you remember suything of that kind occurring? A. Ailow ine to ask you whetuer lam answering a8 tu tne reality Of taose meenogs between Mr. Titon, Mr, souiion and Mrs. Wood. buil, or only to tue repetition 01 them to me, Q. Oniy the repetitivn wo you? A, Nothing of the kind was ever tod me, Q. Now, Mr. Tilton Ww tive, asked this questio: pa You rook and also What suggestions Mr. Beecher Made irom time to time witn regard to THAT APPREHENDR DANGRH? I suppose those sieps which Mr. Beecver didn’t Kuow We wili dispense with.” Now the witness answers, “‘fuere w no steps in the business With whieo Mr. Beecher was not much nected as eitner Mr. Moulton or mysel from ve gioulog to end.” Now Mr. Beecaer, waat conned ndid youtm fact have Witn any steps oF PTO ceedings taceu by Mr, Tiiton or Mr. M both, with your knowledge, in Mrs. Woodhull? A, None whatever; nothing to do with that woman except sv jar as she intraded herseii upon me, and so far as concerned me to listen to ner euiogt haods of Mr. Moulton and Mr. filtoa; in any Way Whacever by my counsel was broug! Into this matter, nur did | in any Way whatever Propose any counsel, method, mode, macainery OF anything else, tor the use ot her. and did be say and him :—"Mr, Mouiton said tuat Wis method wi —1i8 proposition was—to treat her with Kindness, do some service for her, put uer under sone ovlk gation to us; Mr, Beecher said he would ry co-operate im that and he thougn' best aud the only pian; be asked me v I would co-operate, L said | would, aud We agre a8 part of the methou bY Which we suouid v Wilh Mrs. Wovdanil, that we would become personaly acqauiated wita herr” A. No Sir; toat 18 @ faise explanation of thelr conduct; they told me that ter tnougas tuwet the Way to deal with ner was to lay her ud. der obiigations to them, aud (hey did ask me on one occaston If Leould not co-opera’ dd a solutely relased to have anything to do with Q Now at t interview did anything 0} kiud veour, “Chat oe Was & Woman We Could pul ber under the rant of Womanly a quamtancesuip; in other words that she should make Mrs. Tiiton’s acqgaintauce ana Mrs, Mou ton’s? Mr, Beecher said it Was impossioie jor lum to do anytoing im that ard with Mra, Beecne: that sue Would Lever Make Any alliance With him towny such end: soe was @ bard Woman to get along With and she Must ve leit ont of that count?’ Did amy such consultation about yor respective wives No} tue only consaltation 1 that i troe if any degree was the fact that alter some consider ave Hime Mt. Mouton aod Mr, Titon tod me tual they regarded her a8 une o: the must extraorab | nary women they had ever mel, did that, san rounded a& aS vy bad infocuces, sue acted trom tue lower plane Of her uatare; thatit ane could be pul 1M CoMMUnICAlion With whe himaer Influences Of ile wud her novler nature appealed to they thougatene wonid lead a revo the Himes in WH s or | soled Ker aasouetion Wild Bisavork Luton mae