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ticipated—this plan was to guard two families of children from the consequences of this adultery, When Mr, Beecher wrote to me hia letter of con- trition, 11 was because he sought to placate me into forgiveness of is adultery. When he asked me to remember ‘‘all the other hearts that would ache,” it was because of the misery which two housenolas and their wide connections wonld suffer by the discovery of bis aduitery. When he wrote to Mrs. Tilton that Mr. Mouiton had “tied ap the storm which was ready to burst upon their heads,” it was because Mr. Moulton pad skilfully heid back Mr. Bowen's meditated roceedings against Mr. Beecher for adultery, hen Mr, Beecher wrote that it would “kill hin if Mr, Moulton were pot @ triend to Mrs, Tilton's honor,” he meant that this lady’s “honor,” like | every other ‘‘lady’s honor,” was her reputation for chastity, and he relied on Mr. Moulton to keep the world from knowing that this lady's pastor had soiled her “honor”? by adultery, When Mr. Beecher requested Mrs. Morse to’ call him her “gon,” whica she did, and when she begged him to come and see her, pledging herself not co vilude to her “daughter's secret,” it was because tus mother knew that this and daughter had | committed adultery. When this mother gave this | “gon” the troublesome iniormation that “twelve pemane! had been put in possession of this secret, jt was the guilty and periious secret of adultery. When Mr. Beecher shuddered at the likeit- hood that Mr. Bowen had communicated to Mr. Claflin “the bottom tacts,” it was because the chief fact, lying at the bottom of all was adultery. When Mr. Beecher said to Mr. Moulton, “Can’t we hit upon some pian to break the force of my letter to Tilton?” it Was oecause the letter whose force he wisned to break was his | letter of contrition for nis aduitery. When in his | despair he wrote :—‘Would to God Theodore, Eliza- | beth and | could be friends again—Tneodore would have the hardest task in such a case,’ 1t was be- cause this “nardest task” would consist of torgiv- ing a wife and her paramour for their adultery. When Mrs. Tilton wrote imploringiy beth to mr. Moulton and to Mr. Beecher that “the papers sbould be destroyed,” it was because these papers were records of adultery. When in orokenness uf gen Mrs, Tiiton wrote to ask her seducer’s for- 8 veness, it was because of her womanly distress at aving betrayed bim tor his adultery. When in one Of her clandestine notes to him she referred to her “nest hiding,” it was a means of more pleasantly reminding him of his own poetic ex- Pression tor their adultery. When. her destroyer wrote to Mr. Moulton, February 5, 1872, saying, “1 would not believe that any one could have passed through iny experience and be alive or sane,” he | confessed the agony of living on the verge of pub- llc punishment tor adultery, When he said to Mr. Moulton, “You are literally all my stay and comfort,” 1% was because this prave and tender friend was the barrier between the public and the knowledge ofa clergyman’s adultery. When Mr. Beecher, who was never tired of sending to this friend such love letters as a man seluom writes to & man, suid to him, +I would have falien on the Way but for the courage with which you inspired me,” it was his ever grateiul acknowledgment to one who was saving tim from the late which punishes clergymen for adultery, When he bewalled the “keen suspicions with which he was pressed,” these were the dangerous sus- icions of a congregation to Whom public ramor ad carried a& worrible bint of vheir pastors adultery. When he teared an “appeal to the | church, and then a council,” and prognosticated thereby a “conflagration,” 1t was because he jore- | saw how the public mind would be intiuenced by | the knowledge oj his adultery. Wheu ne por- trayed himsel: ay standing in daily dread of those ersonal iriends who were making a “ruinous de- fence” of him, it was Decause he feared that their clamorous statements o1 his innocence would | blunderingly 1 to THE DETECTION OF HIS ADULTERY, Wher. he cried out that he wus “sutlering the tor- | ments of the damued,” he was pouring out his heart’s anguish to the only man to whom he had liberty to unburden his remorse for his adultery. | When he satd that he could not carry this burden | to iis wile and children, if was be- | cause he was ashamed to acknowledge to | them his adultery. When he wrote to Moulton, saying, “Sacrifice me without hesitation uv you can clearly see your way to his (Mr. Tilton’s) satety and happiness thereby,” he ailaded to the Bacrifice of his good name in expiation of his Rauitery. When he said of himselt “I should be destroyed, but he (Mr. Tilton) would not be saved,” it was because all that was needed for his destruction was siinply that the world snouid be told of his adultery, When he said “Bizabeth and her children would have their iuture clouded,” he saw hanging over this ruined mother @nd her brood the biack and awiul cloud which hangs over every matron guilty of adultery, se if be wrote ‘Life would be pleasant if of # ld seq that rebuilt yuten is shattered,” he erred to the Moral impossibility of recon- structing @ home once broken by adultery, When he compared himself to “sau, who soid his birthright and jound no place tor repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears,” it was because the unpardonable crime which this min- ister had committed was adultery, When he oke in eulogy of Mr. Mouiton’s wife as reviving is waning faith in womanhood,” it was vecause his thoughts were then of another and weaker woman Whose moral nature he had overcome, and who aiterwards had betrayed him for his adul- tery. When the strong woman who thus restorea | “his waning faith in womanhood,” counselled nim | to make ‘a Irank and manly confession o1 his sin | i asking man’s jorgiveness ‘or it, as he expected God’s,”’ and when he aiterwaras wrote that ‘her clear trutiiulness laid him flat’—all this shows now HE QUAILED BEFORE A VIRTUOUS WOMAN'S REBUKE for nis adutter: ben he said of me tnat L “would have been a better man than hein such circumstances,” he meant that | would bave dis- dained to stoop to the crime of seducing the wile | of an intimate iriend, or of using the power of a clergyman to corrupt a trusting parishioner into. adultery. When he said of me that I had ‘“con- doned my wiie’s fult,”? pointing me to this con- donation as constituting on my part a pledge of | forgiveness toward him, he wrote ia that word “condone” the plainest possible conjession of his adultery. In like manner all Mr. Beecher’s letters, when read in view of the one sad and guilty fact which 1s the key-note to their tragic meaning, constitute a lour years’ history of a mind afflicted with “anxiery, remorse, lear and despair?—all in consequence oO! a discovered adultery. IfLhave been thus explicit in reiterating Mr. Beecher’s crime, it is not ior the sake of proving it from his letters, for | have suMiciently proved it witnout help trom these, but only to show that [ did not garble these letters when 1 pointed to them as proois of adultery; and I repeat that, if Beecher’s letters have been (a8 he says) “wick- edly garbieo,” it 1s he who has garbled them— it is I who have restored them to their true meaning. Mr. Tilton gives his reasons for writing the Bacon letter, and reviews the subsequent proceedings, placing the blame of the scandal and iis woes vpon bis enemies. He then thus concludes :— Next, | have an equaily plain answer to those critics who condemn ime lor having committed, a3 | shey say, a blunder in CONDONING MY WIFE'S FAULT AT FIRST, And my answer 13:—1 am periectly wiiling to ac- cept this condemnation trom ali who ehoose to offer it—wnhether from 10es or friends, Before God Thold that I did right, and not wrong, in torgiving en erring Woman Who went astray through a pow- eriul temptation, No regret beclouds my mind for this iorgiveness of my wiue—which, I am sure, T shall look back to irom my dying bed | with pleasure, not with pain, I torgave | this gentle woman because I loved her; I tor- | ae her for her children’s sake; 1 forgave her cause I despise the pubitc sentiment which con- @ones such jaults in men, and then compels men to punish them in women; I forgave her because, even alter her grievous error, she still remained a woman loving right rather than wrong, and seek- (ng good rather than evil; I forgave her because I ynderly remembered that Christ himself forgave Similar fault in amore wicked Woman, and who was Ito scorn the law of His great exampie? No eriticism ui my forgiveness of Mrs. Tilton can prick me with any pang. Sf all the acis oi my life hed been as righteous as this good deed of charity— albeit toward a woman who bas since but poorly feqnited me for it—I would now be a better man than | am. 1 have oniy to add that I know no words of mea- | sured moderation in which to characterize fitly | Mr. Beecher’s recent treatment of this broken- hearted lady, whom HE HAS FLUNG egoinst the wall of Piymouth charch and dashed to piece. First he imstituted a public committee tw inquire into her adultery with him, whereas he vaght to lave procected her against this expos- are: then he beckoned her away irom her hus- « band’s house, making her very dight vear witness to her guilt; then he suboruea her to give talse testimony against ber husband, with a view to destroy iim before the world; then, with unparal- leiedt baseuess, he turnes upon the companion of his crime and accused her of having been the tempter rather than the tempted, declaring that she had “thrust her affections upon him un- sought;’’ then be variously indicted her for what he called “her neediess treachery to ner triend ‘and pastor,” expressing tis doubts whether to call her (as he says) “a saint or the chiei of sin- | ners,” arguing (as he $a) again) that she must | be either “corrupted to deceit or so broken in | mind as to be irresponsible,” debating with him- self (as he says still further) whether he should not “pour out his indignation upon her and hola her up to contempt;” and then, after making all these contemptuous reierences to her in_ his pub- lished statement, he prompted tis committee to render a verdict against her, in which they de- clare her conduct toward Mr. Beecher, even on their own tueory o1 her innocence, to be “utterly indefensible; and last of all he permitted his own journal, the Christian Union, to stigmatize her us @ “poor, Weak woman,’'whose testimony was of Mo Value either jor or against the man who had pst her to utter her jalsenoods in his own All this base and brutal conduct by Mr. Beecher toward Mrs. Tilton prompts me to speak of iim in flerce and buroing words. But I forbear. “Ven- genes is mine, I wiil repay, saith the Lord.” [ jave become so used to sorrows in my own life that I cannot wish for their mfiction upon another man, uot even on my worst enemy. 1 will not ask the public to visit ypon Mr. Beecher any greater condemuation for the desolation which he has brought Ky those who loved, trusted and served tim, than] have in past times seen him sater from his own self-inflicted tortures in contempla- tion of the very crime for whict’ he has now been exposed to the scorn arfd pity of the world, know well cnough how bis own thoughts have bowed him in agouy to the dust, aud this is enough. Wherefore, in contemplating my empty honse, my scattered children and my broken nome, t | neys. The other actors inthe great scandal re- thank heaven that my heart is spared whe pang of this man’s remorse for having wrought a ruin Which not even Almighty God can repair. THEODURE TILTON, BROOKLYx, September 16, 1874. MOULTON NOT TO BE ARRESTED, Mr. Moulton, not having returned to Brooklyn yesterday, the civil capias in the Iivel suit of Miss Edna Dean Proctor could not be servea. ‘Marshal Harlowe stated that Mr. Moulton would not be back for several days, and that even after his re- turn he would not be arrested, but merely re- quired to “file his appearance” through his attor- mained quiet yesterday, Mr. Tilton closely scanned his statementin the aiternoon papers; Mrs. Tilton glanced at it casualiy, and with @ throb of relief read the portions reierring to her stilias a good and pure woman; ana Mrs, Moul- ton, who will probably be one of the chief wit- heses for the prosecution im the case against Mr. Beecher, spent the afternoon also in reading the “statement.’? Miss Proctor’s counsel, Messrs. | Tracy, Catlin and Brodhead, are contident—und ex- press this confidence treciy—that they can mulct Mr. Moulton in heavy damages, PLYMOUTH CHURCH PRAYER MEETING, Fervent Prayers tor the the Rev. Henry Ward Beecher, There was but a very slim attendance of Mr. Beecher’s faithial fock at the Plymouth church prayer meeting last night, owing to the drizzling rain, which was quite sufficient to keep away the most ardent worshipper, The assistant pastor, Rev. Mr. Halliday, presided in Mr. Beecher’s ab- sence over the exercises, which opened, as usual, with the singing of a hymn. Mr, Halliday an- | nounced that the prayers this evening would be specially offered with a view ol obtaining that out pouring of the Holy Spirit upon the church which Was so fervently desired by them. ‘The first prayer was offered by Brother Garbet, invoking God’s blessings and presence with the meeting. Mr. Halliday then gave out hymn 887, which was’ sung with spirit. It contains some verses | which are of peculiar significance just now :— ‘There is a home tor weary souls, sin and sorrow driven; When tossed on life’s tempestuous shoal, Where storins arise and oceans roll, And all is drear—but heaven, ‘There fuith lifts up her cheerful eye, ‘To brighter prospec:s given, And views the tempest passing by, ‘The evening shadows quickly tly, And ail screne—in heaven, Brother Halliday then prayed, alluding in fer- vent terms to the pastor, He prayed God to be with him, to let His blessing res: upon him, to re- store him to health and strength and to grant that he might return and continue to work for Christ, Brotner Giles, in the course of a brief Speech, | related a conversation which he once had witn the pastor in relation to toe terrors of death, and that Mr. Beecher, with beaming eyes, declared how gladly he looked forward toward being one of the immortal throng. This was a lesson. Dtd every one present look forward toward vecoming | one Of that tnrong? Brother Giles added that ail | members of the Christtan world were one family, Ifa finger was punctured the whole trame thrilled, | and so if one member's soul was punctured the | shock communicated itself to the entire body of | tue Church ‘fhe emisaries of the devil would try | even to destroy Christ, Another member invoked the blessing of God | upon the paster. Might God give him yet greater evidence of His presence with tim; might He | bring him back here with even a greater sense ot | his power and responsivility, and might there yet. be gathered to the church thousands of souls through his noble instrumentality, | Brother Garbet dwelt in earnest terms on the necessity for unity in the church, as this was prob- ably the greatest crisis in its history. The charch needed God’s blessing as it never did before, and | if they were earnest they would obtain it, Other hymns and devotional remarks closed the | exercises. | THE UNITARIAN CONFERENCE. —— Election of OMecers for the Ensuing Year—Papers on Crime and the Punish- ment of Criminals—The Final Adjourn- ment, Sanatooa, N. Y., Sept. 18, 1874, After thé usnal hour of devotional exercises the Conference assembled in the Town, Hall and was called to order by Mr. Daniel L, Shorey, of Chicago, Vice President, Mr. Hoar having been callea home | by a telegram which he received. Prayer was of- | fered by Rev. Mr. Muzzey, when Mr. Warren, from the Committee on Credentials, reported that 203 | societies were represented and that 546 delegates | had presented theif credentiais, about 800 mem- | bers of the societies being present. The following officers were elected for the ensuing year:— OFFICERS ELECTED, | President, E. Rockwood Hoar. Vice Presidents, | George William Curtis, oi New Y Davia L. Shorey, of Chicago; George Partvidge, of “St. Louis; Joseph H, Choate, of New York; Seth Padeliord, of Providence; Onstow Stearns, of Con- cord, N. H. General Secretary, Rev. George Batchelor, of Salem, Mass, Treasurer, Henry P. Kidder, of Boston. Council—Rey. Mes:rs. J. H. Heywood, of Louis- ville, Ky.; R. R. Snippen, of Boston; C. G. Ames, Germantown, Pa; C. C, Everett, Cambridge, Mass. ; J. F. Morris, Greenfield, Mass, ; D, B. Eaton, lew Yor 3; ©. A. Stevens, Ware, Mass.; J. L, ittle, Boston; F. M., Sabine, Bangor, Me.; J. E. Williams, New York. Rev. Messrs. Ellis and Hale | and Hon. D. B. Eaton were appointed a committee | to attend the Congregational synod, A paper was read by Rev. Augustus Woodbury, of Providence, RK. [., on “fhe Causes of Crime,” He stated there are 100,000 persons in our land who defy the law, aud for whose control all the paraphernalia o! the criminal law 18 designed. | Crime was classed under two headings—habitnal and accidental, Medicul investigation justities the tbeory that crime isa disease o: the brain. Va- grancy and idleness are the great fountains of | crime, While its auxiliaries are iound in vile liter- ature, intemperance and vagrancy. Rey. J. F., Morris, of Greenfield, Mass., read a paper on “The Punishment of Criminais.” It was { an able address, and many excellent suggestions were made, The papers were discussed at considerable | length by General Oliver, of Salem, Mass.; Rev. J. M. . Babcock, 01 Graton, Mass.; Rev. 0. G. Shaw and others, A paper on the “Relations Between Religion and Modern Scientific Thought” was read by Key.S. R. Calthrap, 0! Syracuse, assenting to Darwin’s doc- brine of evolution, and Claiming that science de- velops theism and not atheism. In the AFTERNOON SESSION Rev. Mr. Clute opened the discussion on Sunday schools under the regular order of business, ‘The debate was participated in by Mrs, Coleman, of Syracuse; Rev. Mr. Calthrap, Kev. Mr. Purnam, EK. Cc. Towne, Rev. Mr. Barber, Rev. Dr. Bellows, ex-.| President Hill, of Harvard University; Rev. Mr. Mellen, of Albany, and others. A resolution was | adopted urging the teaching of Unitarian doc- trines in the Sunday schools, The Business Committee reported resolutions disapproving of the Executive pardoning power aud in favor of public education, Adopted. After the singing of a hymn and the pronouncing of the benediction by Dr. Bellows the Conference ad- Journed sine die. The next Conterence, two years hence, will be | held in Saratoga. THE STORM ALONG THE SOUND, Sailing Craft Seeking Cover—Steamers Delayed—Effects of the Wind. New Haven, Conn., Sept. 18, 1874, Wednesday inaugurated and Thursday and to- day have completed the rain work which the weather prophet seems to have had in hand, | During the whole of yesterday, all last night and | thus far to-day the wind has blown strong from the northeast, and on the Sound the weather has | ¢ | been heavy enough to make even conscienttous | | Skippers indulge in projanity. Vessels were DRIVEN TO SEEK HARBORS, and last night it is doubtful 1! any had courage enougk to venture on the turbulent waves, No sails were seen upon the Sound this morning, | but every river and cove between Sand’s Point and New London afforded sheiter to sailing craft. The steamer Continental, of the New York and | New Haven line, left her wharf in the latter city at eleven o’clock last night ior New York. Since that time she bas not been heard of, though tele- grams have been exchanged asking tor intellt- wence. Mayor Lewis, a large owner inthe line, thinks the steamer may have put into Cow Bay or Huntington harbor. The ©. H. Northam, of the | same line, has been subjected to hte The steam: ers of the Bridgeport live have also been delayed. THE BEFECTS OF THE STORM on land are observable. The wind has blown from | the trees immense quantities of apples, pears and peuches, and at this moment farmers are wonder- ing what they can do with the superfuity of fruit leit on their hands. COLLISION OF STATEN ISLAND FERRYBOATS, Early yesterday morning, on their first trip up, there was a collision between the opposition North Shore line steamer Thomas Collyer and the Castle- ton, of the old line, Shortly after the Collyer left her dock at Elm Park, and white making her dock at Port Richmond, which adjoins that of the old company, through some mismanagement, the wind and tide both being strong, she came tn collision with the Castieton, which was sull lying at her dock, teariug away the starboard side of the Coll- yer, breaking stanchions, carrying away a part of the wheelhouse and frames, and damaging the port side of the Castleton so much that it became necessary, alter making the first trip, to lay her up ior repairs. The Collyer, which sustained the most damage, was also towed up to the city for repairs, which on both boats will cost about $1,500 NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY, THE INDIANS. A “Big Talk” with Kicking Bird, a Kiowa Chief. General Survey of the In- dian Difficulties. HIS PEACEFUL PLANS ae The Red Chief’s Danger in the Recent War Council. A LETTER INDITED TO THE HERALD. Lopoe or KICKING Birp, ON CACHE CREEK, NEAR FORT SILL, Sept. 9, 1874, Isubjoin herewith the verbatim report of an in- terview held by your correspondent with the cele- brated chief Kicking Bird, of the Kiowa tribe of Indians, heretofore hostile, and one of the most warlike, dangerous and best fighting tribes of the Plains, I was the recipient of the hospitality of Kicking Bird, at his invitation extended to me through Mr, George W. Fox, one of the trader’s agents here, who has been among the Indians for | some six years past, language _pertectly, trading with them, speaking the Comanche which he has learned and through his acting | 48 interpreter I was enabled to obtain the full and suggestive interview below. In addition to it I also enclose a letter to the NEw YorK HERALD from Kicking Bird direct, with his signature ap- pended, made by him, his hand having been guided by Mr. Fox, and the same is witnessed by | him as to its truth and the accuracy of the state- ment made by this powerful and intelligent chief. By way of explanation as to what called it forth I will state that on the evening mentioned by Kicking sird I was in his company on the way to his camp to have a “big talk.” Having proceeded part of the way on our journey some volley firing was heard about two miles off in the direc- tion of the government agency - farm, fol- lowed by what seemed a return fire, and then some file firing, Although the wind was blowing strong the quick and practiced ear of this handsome Indian chief heard the sudden firing before your correspondent, and suddenly halting he listened attentively and seemed to be much concerned and startled by it. dark, and being somewhat disturbed and appre- hensive as to the cause of the unusual occurrence, | he suggested that we turn back in the direction of the sound made by the musketry. We acquiesced, passing on our return & messenger riding at full Speed, who had been sent by the Indian Agent to the post for troops to protect him, and to proceed where the volley was supposed to have been fired, carrying with it the conviction that a party of twenty soldiers who were down on the govern- ment farm had becn attacked and possibly mur- dered by A BAND OF RAIDING INDIANS, » This belief was at the time shared in by Kicking Bird. As the cavalry did not arrive speedily, af- ter waiting fitteen minutes, Kicking Bird and Mr. Fox agreed to proceed alone to the spot and find out the true state o: the case and facts, Your correspondent agreed to accompany them so as to share in the information, and so we started off to- gether, accompanied by a Mr. Farron, of the Agency, to make the scout through the suspected districc, he acting as guide. ‘The night was somewnat dark. Whipping up my Indian pony we started off at a trot, in Indian file, Kicking Bird riding just in front of your correspondent; and a splendid study he along majestically, his fine form almost rigidly erect, On we rode, through bypaths, deep ravines, guiches and Indian trails, where no road Was discernible amid the tall undergrowth and matted sunflower stalks, Making several detours It was about | was as he rode | and then plunging through fields, brush and | Tavines, we made a circuitous search for about a circie of three or four miles, and visiting the camp of the detachment in the cornfle!d, whom we found all right but ignorant of the firing, every object was scrutinized and every sign ex- amined, but no trail or evidence of an enemy being found nor anything to expiain the mysterious ‘usilade until we came to an Indian herder in an open fleld encircled by a belt of cottonwood trees, He explained the mat- ter by informing us that the relief guard on their way tothe camp had discharged their arms for | fun and to clean out their pieces, Somewhat re- lheved we dashed on back to the friendly Indian camp where Kicking Bird wrote his letter. AS we | puffed our cigarettes together cosily and went | over the proposing of the questions (which were already written out by me) and the inditing of the answers made by the Indian chief when trans- lated by Mr. George Fox, Kicking Bird really loomed up as a model of, symmetry and intelli- gence,preserving throughout, in dignified manners, graceful gestures and calm exterior (except when once or twice stirred by the cogency and direct- ness of the interrogatories), the perfect semblance of a gentieman by nature, an instinctive diplomat and courtier of the Piains, which is his acknowl edged characteristic both with the officers here and those who meet him casually asI have, KICKING BIRD'S PORTRAIT. Let me describe him briefly thus:—A fine form, about five feet ten inches in height, well knit, mus- cular, tawny arms, broad, deep chest, covered with sinews, that stand out drmly and rising in layers of clearly defined tissue welts; sloping shoulders, graceful but thickly velned neck; a remarkably fine face, with round, jull and firm set jaws, sur- mounting @ bandsomely chiseled mouth and pointed. clear cut chin, exquisitely regular, and pearly white teeth; eyes, the blended color of mountain gray and brown prairie, sharp and pene- trating, governed sometimes by a seemingly care- less but scrutinizing expression which does not appear to be occupied with the object they are | stealthily searching; broad forenead, Indian like, heavy, black glossy hair, neatly combed, streak of red paint ornamenting, according to their custom, the parting of it, with the scalp Jock carefully plaited. and an eagle claw and feathers ornamenting the end of it, This, with in- numerable silver rings hanging like a tringe on the outer lap of the ears, will form the true descriptive features of Kicking Bird's phystog- | nomy. And it must not be omitted to state that | | ts enough. SEPTEMBER 19, 1874.—TRIPLE SHEET. that you have done so. I am pleased with the op- | Then, when the government is throngh with tt, portunity to make my views known to some one | let it be a little lenient, and let them come in and who will not misrepresent them, and I rely upon | settle down, { don’t know what to say as to your doing woatis right in your great captain | Washington or Congress or the President and paper. I have confidence in you and you are the | nis Cabinet. 1 believe they have always first newspaper captain I met that I dked. come up to time im what they said. I CORRESPONDENT—What do you think of the dis- | know they love us, and if I was foolish arming of all Indians, except to be allowed to | enovgh to get mad with them bow long keep their bows and arrows; and could they not | would { last; they could wipe us out like even get along without them satisfactorily ? grass off the prairie, You are the frst white KICKING BIRD—I do not think It ts right, Fors& manI have ever sat down and had sucha long, Jong tume before they saw the white man they had | big talk with about our affairs, and J feel glad ang | happy at it. All we expect of Washington 1s to | their bows and arrows, Afterward they were taught by the white people whom they met outin | keep the treaties and act toward us as it does the Western country to carry a gun and pistol, | toward all other American citizens, treating us and they have become as dear to them as their | justly and giving us our rights, while keeping bad bows and arrows were long before they knew the | men from among us. I desire to see the Indian use ofa gun. They were issued. to them years ago | well treated according to his merits and good con- by their agents and by the Great Father’s order at | duct. { (or one, with all of my people whom I cau Wasbington, and the last few years they have | control, desire to see the Indian do well, be good been sold to them by their traders legitimately; | and to be encouraged by the Great Father, andl and now to take them away and leave them with- | wili continue to do all I can to deserve this. Fora out anything at all would cause an til-/eeling | long tame whatever has been done wrong by the among the Indians, Now they don’t come in with Cheyennes or Comanches and other tribes has been their arms, and Washington has placed these ra- | laid to the Kiowas. It is true the Kiowas are tions here for them and everything goes on right | not innocent, but then 1 don’t know the with the exception of this guard, That is one thing reason way it ig insisted upon to lay it on the which 1 do not think 1a right, We leave ourarms | Kiowas. 1 don’t know whether they have ever on the other side of the river, or at the place desig- | done anything to injure the white man any more nated by the agent, and come in without them, The women go up to draw their rations with fear. | look at these tuings and to see if there are any They draw their rations with fear, and do not , other chie’s who have done more to do right than come in a3 they used to when there was no guard, | I bave, The last four or five years I have been Our Great Father has laid out a road for us, and | right here and done just what my agent and the everything asked of us we are willing to do | Great Father told me to do—left off raiding, steal- and are doing. We do not intend to deviute, and | ing horses, and taught my children to look up to are going now to try. and do what our Great | the white man, and now I want to know tl this Father asks us to do, and to wait for bim todo | Uning will go any longer without investigation. something for us, When these lands were divided up to the Indians THE QUESTION OF THE RACES, each band of Indiaos was given its own lands, CORRESPONDENT—Does not the Indian really hate | and they belong to them exclusively. I want to the white man in his heart, and is not tnis so | know why all classes are allowed to come in the strongly born in him that as a general ruie it | country. It is all right so far as the soldiers here would be imp0ssible to secure for te white man are concerned; I would rather bave them here, the true and lasting friendship of the Indian ? | but I do not see why they should govern this Kickino Birp—For a long time that is exactly | country, which was given to us by Washington. the way we were and were taugnt to feel trom in- KICKING BIRD'S LETTER, fancy; but since we have been taken hoid of ‘by The foliowing 18 ‘Kicking Bira’s" jetter, which, tae white man that is not the feeling—it is extinct. | with tue reference in the early part of my letter, It is not impossivie to secure the true and lasting | wiil explain itself:— friendship of the Indian; that can be tanght as | INDIAN CAMP, NEAR Fort SIL, L. T., well as anything else, if the proper way is carried dale Les } out. Reierring to the scout made by me with Mr. CORRESPONDENT—What, if any, are hereditary | SR aS Oe YORE) feiss] pondeny - he PL crs which the Indian eels | beyond the cambsy L'wiah to cite the face that my KICKING Binp—A long time ago it was our way | that 1 Was anxious to know who did the tring, to be at war with the white man, and we roamed pas thoupa AP, BOE Re Blpmed, tor ing at will and had no one to take us by the hand and | own, 1 was, i we were met by a hostile force, teach us the way of the white man. This feeling , prepared to die right there with those gentiemen, was born in us, and here recently, since the gov- ily meODIn. Actinel imran ernment has taken hold ofus, sent theiragents or bemg identified with any outbreak, Thus we out to teach us the way of the white man, there should have all died together had what is right. We have met the white man and respectiully, KICKING BIRD, made war on him and he has on us, and we have | Chief of the Kiowas (iriendly). been brought up to feel a general disposition of | Witness, Gzonce W. Fox. antagonism to him. This is all. | CoRRESPONDENT—Cannot the Indian be made to \ change hs habits from those of a hunting, roving | disposition to a regular settled down system of Jarming and working, so as to support himself and make money like the white man ? Kickin Birp—To hunt the buffalo and deer and { To THe Eprror or THE HERALU The Probable Point for Fighting Sc- lected by the Hostile Banas. Fort SI.t, I. T., Sept. 8, 1874. The latest indications as to where the Indians Will be ound makes the impression general that they will concentrate on McClellan Creek, Miles to fish and follow up the wild lite we nave | 48 reported to have hada fight with them. Gen- always led has been our nature. It is only of late eral Buell bas arrived here from Fort Richardson With six companies, consisting o! four of cavalry years that our Great Father has taken us by the | i ae 8 2 hand, and he told us to come along slow and sure, | %4 tWo of infantry, with the Tonkowas, a splen- cid band of Indians, as enlisted scouts. General and learn little by little. Now we are on our way, | fi G al M vill bi and are willing to be taught and make corn, jive | Davison or General Miles will be most likely to | strike the Indians first between them, as they pro- in houses and settle down like a wiite man; nite would like to have money like the white man, ceed in Opposite and approaching directions. and to live and do with it just as we please. | General McKenzie, General Augur says, cannot CORRESPONDENT—Would not the wild Indians, if | 1@2V¢ Fort Concho before the 18th of this month thetr chiefs advised it, gradually settie down and | (°F Want of forage, He will probably catch the grow corn and other articies necessary for their | Indians if they escape from or ayoid the Davidson livin; d give up their habits of carrying mur- or Miles columns. Generai Buell thinks be willcatch derous weapons? | the families and ponies, as well as some few bands KICKING Brep—There are some of the Indians, | of fleeing Indians, and thinks also that they will the wild fellows, who listened to their chie!s, who \ ORMY, : Steer ee ue ng, Wes ees S pleaded tor peace, and there were some for war; | WY G#Ys, and make for the staked plains and and I already know the result every day. We are | Mexico unless intercepted. The general opinion working on the white man’s road, coming here to | prevailing is that the Indians will make a deter- answer roll-call and to be inspected by the agent, | and he has told us that is the way for us to learn the way of the white man and to maintain our- | selves, and that is the first step, That after we | have complied with that there would be some. thing clse given us to do, You can see by this enrolment what influence we chiefs have with the young men, wiich I regard as effective, and the young men who are in here with us are accus- | fmendly (%) Indians on the reservation, which they | wish were away, as they have no faith in the | friendly intentions of the Indians, Four com- tomed to lock up tousas the white man does to | Ae PU RSates i cle GER oa cloduece eembele Bi arent y Men op enero seh ovens; AO APUtND 60) here, and can defend the post again all comers, make the way for them, | é By CORRESPONDENT—Have you any complaints | agalust those who are appointed to assist you— first, in the ageucy, and, second, among the mill- tary? : Kiokine Birp—I know that our agent has done everything for the best. Whatever favor wehaye | Vatory Has Cost. asked of him he has always been willing to do, ang | The Board of Estimate and Apportionment met whenever we have done wrong or anything that | yesterday in the Comptrolier's oftice, Mayor Have- didn’t suit bim be has always told us; ana what- | Meyer in the chair and all the members present. ever the Great Father has told the agent to tellus | A resolution was adopted that the Comptroller he has always helped us todo, As far as we know | be authorized to create and issue from time to he has never deviated from what the Great Father | time, as may be required, an amount not exceed- has told us. Our agent has never been tired of , ing $1,090,000 of consolidated stock of the city of listening to us, or helping us todo right, and {| New York, “to provide the means to pay assess- want everybody to know as well as the Great | Ments which are now (June 13, 1873) outstanding Father that we love and respect him, | and due upon the real estate belonging to the city CoRRESPONDENT—Do you get enough to eat, ac- | Of New York, and also to provide for the amounts cording to what you understand you and your peo- | Charged to the city by reason of any deficiency on ple are entitled to? | any assessment,’? KICKING BinD—I do not think the present ration Comptroller GREEN offered a resolution provid. There are agreat many to feed, and | ing that $100,000 worth of bonds be issued to com- tne present ration is run out before the time comes | Plete the Art Gallery and the Museum of Natural round to get another. There is nota ration day | History in Central Park. comes but before 1 13 followed by the next we have Mr. VANCE offered a substitute calling upon the not enough to get round. The flour we get isnot naif ; Park Commissioners for a report of their expen- the time fit to eat, and (sarcastically) they expect | ditures on these buildings already; how the pre- us to eat the sack sometimes (and to the inter- | vious appropriations have been expended; how preter, “You know weil how this 1s’’). li Congress. will increase the ration we will have no desire to | What they would cost altogether when com- BOARD OF APPORTIONMENT. | More Bonds tor Paw Taper ute and Public Works—What the Park Obser- | go out and wrestle for ourselves, for we can then | pleted. | honest, manly way. | Har cough)—i have never seen the President, but | he has small, sinewy, graceful nands and small | feet, which are controlled by a studied graceful- ness and decorum. His gestures, even when in ordinary conversation, if imitated, woutd vastly improve many of the grotesque and clumsy ges- | Uiculations as set down in the school books tor declamation and-gesticulation for the guidance of incipient orators. To one who has mgde his acquaintance and to those in authority his manner is pleasing, affable and polite in a high degree when tn conversation, At other times he is as Teticent, reserved and dignified as my lord Conk- | ling of the Senate, I proceeded quietly with my questioning, to which he responded wita alacrity, but thouglit+ fully, a8 follow: INTERVIEW WITH KICKING BIRD. “You have heard of the eiforts of the HrRaLD to | threateued to take my life and kili my stock unless throw lignt on the Indian question, so as to secare | justice to the Indian and preserve tne frontier’s safe by a close observance of law; what co you think is the best way to obtain all these ends, so | that you and ail the gooa indians may jive in peace with the white man?” KICKING Brrp—It is very hard to say what should be done now with the good Indians in this regara, but we must go on doing all we can. lam very glad you came irom the great captain paper, get along as toeating. (General Sheridan favors | Mr. GREEN said he had no objection to calling the increase of ration.) | | | upon the Park Commissioners for that informa- A POSER FOR KICKING BIRD, CORRESPONDENT—You have the reputation of | separaie resolution. r. Green’s resolution was then adoptea. being a very brave, wise and honorable man. | Mr. Vance then offered his substitute asa sep- What do you wish to say through the HERALD to | arate resolution, and it was adopted. It reciies the President and Cabinet, members of Congress | that in 186%, $15,000 worth oO! stocx Was Issued tor and the American people as to wnat is requiree to | We TaaMENTiory datinnaein eta Ps make you happy? Please give me your idea in an | issued; in 1872, $750,000 worth, and in 1873, $1,000,000 worth, making in all $1,800,000, KICKING BIRD (thoughtfully and with bis peca- | 7){t; GEREN said men were clamoring for pay- ‘The reason there were so many judgments against the city was that the Board would not give tim money to pay the city’s debts. He then offerea a Tesolution providing Jor the issue of $100,000 worth of city Park Improvement fund stock. Mr. VANCE inquired what this sum was for. have received nis letters and shaken hanas with him through them since I have been trying to do whathe wants, Ihave a great desire to see him, | 80 as be can see Me, and we can look each other | in the eyes. Five years ago lhad that fight with | Captain McClellan (which ts famous as @ hard | of park officers and lavorers. The Department of fy Public Works, he said, could pay its salaries out of pb Sah Maer C3. snestry hes bags the issue of bonds, and he thought the Department. manly conflict), and since that time I have of public Parks sivuld have a right to do the same never made a raid nor done anything wrong. and not out of the appropriation. Always in council 1 was the first one to speak | The resolution peencaly erent. the t | A resolution was offered asking for the issne of for peace, and 1 have been blackguarded and ' g2oo,qg0 assessment bonds tor tue Department of called an old Woman time and time again bythe Public W V Orks, a hed atin c c Mr. GREEN strongly opposed this resolution and card: ae hs eee t Baile pee said that departwmeut was expending millions an- getting up to speak for peace, I want to tell you jualiy on useless or premature improvement. a littie about the dynt now getting up. When the and he ae wholesale issue of bonds shoud Kiowas had their medicine dance last spring be Stopped. ‘ne reso . over, a . there was a big war council called, and ali she The resolution was, howev: ulopted, duferent tribes were represented and I was the first to get up ana speak for peace, At frst they A communication was received trom Colonel Emmons Chirk reciting the facts in regard to tue root of the Seventh regiment Armory, aad asking the Board for relief in the matter, A resolution Was adopted appropriating $30,000 sO than others; but now I want the President to | | accompanying them was intended to demonstrate | there been | mined fight at first in full numbers, and then, if Not successiul, defend ,their position until their families can get away, When they will “ligt out.” | Great apprehension is felt among the ladies at the camp here on account of the leaving of the | troops and the presence of a large body of | much it would cost now to complete them, and | tion, but he thought the substitute should bea | ment, and unless the Board alowed lim to issue | bonds he could not pay contracts and salaries, — Mr. GREBN said it was to pay salaries and wages | THE HAVEMEYER-KELLY DISCLOSURES, What Nelson J, Waterbury Knows About the Tammany Chieftain, His Anxiety to Save the Democratic Party from Injury. In view of the recent interesting disclosures by Mayor Havemeyer tn connection with the admine istration of city affairs, in which it is needless to State ail good cttizens are profoundly engrossed, the anuexed letter from Mr, Nelson J, Waterbury will, [tis apprenended, add fuel to the kindling wood. A bright fre will doubtless be blown into existence ita day or two, Wiseacres afirm that the Mayor's letter to Mr. Kelly, if allowed to go unanswered, will prove a damaging document, but it was generally reported that Mr, Kelly would, on his return from Syracuse, take legal measures for the vindication of his character. Mr. Waterbury, however, throws in the following chip to “keep the bail rolling:”— * EW York N To THE Ep1ToR oF THE HeRALD A statement in your paper to. sept. 18, 1874. signed John ‘ay, Keily, seems to require this reply, My part in the raudé preparation of the Mayor's exposure ot hi was not volunteered. Although I was an supporter of Judge Lawrence at the last election for Mayor, and have been neither a@ solicitor o patronage from the Mayor nor among tne ad- Visers Of nis Official acts, yet in past years le hag extended to me many Kindnesses, and 1 trust neither he nor any other person willever find me ungrateiul. Therefore, when, three or tour weeks since, ] received a note from him, requesting ine at my leisure to call at bis oMce, Toveyed his summons, as I had done on two previous oc- casious. HE KNEW THE MAN. The Mayor informed me that when the Governor should disgose of the charges against him he pro- posed to answer a letter to him by Kelly, which he had puolished in the newspapers, and requested any assistance I could give to him. I answered, “If you do you had better send over to the Com) troller’s ofice and get the bills paid to Kelly while Sherul.” 1 knew nothing about Kelly’s bills, but J Kbew the man. When the Mayor obtained the bills I saw upon oa them over that the figures were very large, I therefore prepared re- guests for him (0 send to Various officers aid in- stitutions for returns that would elicit the correct figures. Such returns were made. As the searches: in two offices (secretary of State and Commissioner of Jurors) would involve considerable labor, which the officers could not be expected to take, E suggestea to the Mayor to sena some one from nis oMce to make the examination, and I would supervise it, This was done, I Know that every statement contained in the Mayor's letter is true ayd that Kelly is the public roober the Mayor has. picted him to be, ‘Tue friends of Kelly are seek- ing to ald him by rallying to his support the ene- mies of Comptrolier Green. The iatter had not only nO part in the Mayor's exposé, but did nos KnOW Of 1b aatil just as 1t was about being made. Kelly has attempted in advance to break the torce of the Mayor’s exposure by an assault upon me, in order to divert the public mind from his own misconduct, ie suggests that the Mayor should ascertain rtain things in regard to me, and promi to give his own at- tention to the same matters at the “earliest practicable moment. AS he cane not possibly break tue force of the proofs against liunselt there 1s no reason why tre should delay iis assault upon me. He or any other person that will take the trouble is welcome to make any ex- amination or statement im respect to me that he may desire. My only regret would arise irom the jact that | am of no importance tothe general public, consequently suflicient attention would not be given to the matter for the public to realize how well my course would staod any such investi- gation. Kelly, however, by his own audacity and the timidity of otters, bas been possessed of a power that lias enavied him to put men into judge- ships aud other important offices merely of lus | own will, He secks a continuance of that power, | and therelore tis conduct fs of importance to the community, In the belief that while he is oa Uial atiention may be given to his charges against me that might afterwards be withheld, | beg leave to trouble you with an answer to ali his implica- tons against me. | THE ANSWER. { 1, Neither the Mayor nor Kelly will find that any money Was paid to me irom the pubiic treas- ury for or on account of the Broadway opening, jor any purpose whatever. My only connecuion with the public treasury in reference to that im- provement was the payment of the assessment upon my own house. 2. I was never paid a doHar by the old Ring, nor, while they were im power, for “lobbying” at Al- bany, nor tor any other service for them, there or elsewhere. ‘The idea that with the power they had at Albany they would employ me to ‘“iobby’? for them 1s simply absurd, 3, I was never connected with a “job” of any kind in my life, and nave never aided in nor pro- cured any “unprofitable legislation for the city.?? Every law proposed or passed, that I have ever drawn or aided, will bear the severest scratiny, 4. No moncy was paid to me oy Comptroller Con- noliy that was not fully earned; and in mauy cases the payment was for litigation adverse to the Ring, I invite the most rigid consideration of every payment to me. His predecessor paid me noting. These two terms comprise the whole period of the old “Ring” rule. 5. Laid not return any money to the Finance Department in prosecutions or dctions of any kind against liquor dealers, for the reason that | never | received as District Attorney or otherwise @ dol- lar in or on account of any such prosecetion or | action irom any person or for any purpose. When J was District Atiorney there was a law in force by which I received every week from the Police Department a large number _ of | complaints against liquor dealers. They accu- | mulated In enormous quantities and rendered my position very embarrassing. On the one nand iI prosecuted the compiaints, uniess the number of my assistants had been increased largely aud the time of all the civil courts in the city had been given tothe cases, the prosecution would have been of no public benefit. An occasional success, | even 11 the penalty had been imposed, would have had no effect upon the trafic. But the prosecu- Uons Were Certain to invoive large public expense. On the other hand [ was liable to assault for omit- Ung to carry out the lawif [did not prosecute. 1 therelore commenced prosecutions upon the complaints of a single week. For those prosecu- tious Kelly obtainea by “WAYS THAT WERE DARK” | though not by “tricks that were vain,” ‘yyer | | $20,000 from the public treasury. If 1 had, com- menced suits on the complaints for 166 werggs his. harvest, ac the rate he was paid for or,e week,. would have been rich indeed. Although, the pros- ecutions were during my term of o.dce and my | relations with Kelly were apparently friendly and | Teally so On my part, he never #0"ught my aid to obtain the money that he recgived. Could he have paid a higher complimen, to my integrity? Although Kelly obtained overt-$20,000 on account of the prosecutions all thg tabor was in my office, Inevei asked, expectea hor received any com- pensation Whatever Gh account of them; all my service Was rendered as a part of my oficial duty. 6. 1 did not pay in aay, money on account of forfettea recognigances. Not only ts no money due on that account, but there ts a balance due to me. Besides, as my successor had been counsel against the people, | was appointed, after my term had expired, Special District Attorney in two cases in which the prisoners had been convictea of murder im the first degree. 1 therefore continued to have the entire Management of those two cases on the Part of the people, and argued each in the Supreme | Court and in the Court of Appeals, and one of them I argued twice in the latter Court. UNREQUITED SERVICES, For this service | have never been paid a dollar. Belore it was finished the hostility of the Ring to me became so exceedingly bitter that it would have been foliy ior me to have submitted my ac- counts to its action, Subsequently the Legisiature | authorized Charles O’Conor, Henry B. Davies and Samuel J. Tilden to adjust my accounts, and those gentlemen consented to serve. I sent a written request to the Board of Supervisors to take action accordingly, but tue King would not permit such action to betaken. I hope to find some way of obtaining payment of the oeere due to me. My only anxiety im respect to Kelly’s exposure im view of the position of leadership into which he has forced himself has been to save the demo- cratic party from injury. THE FINAL THRUST, 1 therefore wrote last Saturday to the Secretary of the Democratic State Committee (the chairman being a candidate) that such an exposure would | be made. As the exposure was not made as early as Was intended | telegraphed to him Wednesday more explicitly, I hoped that Kelly would have been wise enough to retire until the public had passed upon the accusations against him, He in- Sists, however, that the party shalicarry him with all bis frauds upon his head, Jf it attempts to do 80 1t can neither expect nor deserve success, I see it stated in despatches from Syracase that Keliy threatens to arrest me. Illeave the city to morrow morning, to bring my family irom the country, but I shull be here next Tuesday pre- I went of with them, and told them to go anead, I was going to try and reach the agency, and | also tola them then that if they wenton tue warpath this summer that the Great Father would do what he had for along time threatened, that ne would make war on them and kill them all; but they laughed at me and would not listen to (it, Lone Wolf struck out witn the Kiowas that wanted to go with him, and I want you to spread out to the whole people | our views and the demands of the Indians, A great many paper captains have come here to write, but they have gone about taking to one person and another and then they have gone away and told a Whole lot of lies, I want you to tell the truth in Yous great paper and send it to me. 80 I can Kee and all the other Indians that wanted to go off with him started. Ian. not lying to you, and I could not teh you how many went without telling youalie. I, and what few Kiowas and Comanches who wanted to come in, came in, and tried to get in all the Kiowas and Comanches I couid bevore war was declared, but they would not listen, and now they see the result, And now, since war is declared, let Washington carry it on vigorously until the Indians on the warnach cet enough of it, ne hg to ve taken from the Couungency unds. A resolution transferring $5,000 from the appro- | priation ior the Commissioners of Records to the fund tor the maintenance of Harlem Bridze was adopted, | Mr. GaEEN offered a resolution to authorize the Issue Of $10,000 of New County Court House stock pared to respond to any action Kelly may desi to take. NELSON J WATER nye” ANOTHER POLICE OUTRAGE IN BROOKLYN. Patrolman Morrissey, a stalwart OfMfcer of the Gowanus district police, has got into trouble be- at Maa a ee Ne of the Court House Commission- cause of nis pugnacious propensities, He was ers. Laid over. 0 A resolution was offered, and also laid over, | taken into custody by Captain McKellar yesterday calling for the issue of $60,000 for the new Jeier- son Market Court House, | Commissioner WHEELER submitted a communi: | cation from the Department of Public Works giv- ing the nawes of ail persons employed in the de- partment and the amount Oo! their salaries. The COMPTROLLER te ee eae sought ie the production of this list was to ascertain who | ing him. He invited th Were paid Irom bonds, and he saw that there were | drink, and when on ‘he tase * assaulted. him, ; About 600 names of persons paid from revenue | striking Dim with nis club and firing a shot at him: derived jrom bonds, wii Suiaries varied irom | Burline considered this treatment “neither meet on the charge of having assaultea Peter Burline, # butcher, dotng business on Twenty-Orst street, near Fifth avenue. it seems that the officer had had some troubie concerning the non-payment of meat bills and went to Buriiter hop on Wedues+ day alternoon for the ostensible purpose of pay. $6,000 per year to $2 50 per day. } ROF just,” and mr warrant from Justice ‘The communication was placed on the minutes. | Deinar for the omcerts arrest, The will be i The Board alterwards adiourned examined before the Justice named next week, j ce