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URS. TILTON'S TROUBLES. —— ordinary Confesston. i eeeeneeteereten raigned by His Wife. se meeimaanentemmemesens! CURIOUS PSYCHOLOGICAL Se eS INFLUENCES, Another Description of the Bedroom Scene. Saami A LETTER FROM THEODORE TILTON. ate ed ey The Case Scon To Be Presented to the Courts. MRS. TILTON'S CROSS-EXAMINA- TION. ‘The joliowing isa transcript from the ofMfctal stenographer’s notes o! the cross-examination of Mrs. Tilton, and transmitted to the press under the direction of the committee of investigation, Nawes of persuns mentioned by Mrs, Tiiton tiat have not been hitherto connected, publicly, In aay Way, with th eially omitted in tnis published transcript. the original :;— BRooxiyn, July 51. By Mr. Hul—You stated. I think, the date of 7, Marriage. in your turmer examination? a, believe s0—1855, Q. Did you begin your married life housekeeping A. Boarding with my mother, on or boarding? Livingston street. Q. About how long did you remain boarding with | her? A. My first housekeeping was in Ox:ord street; | think tuat was in tie spring of 1360. A. Nearly three years, 1 think, Q. And then where did you go? board with mother again, about three years, and then from there | went to my own house, in Liy- Mgston street, where J remained until within a Sew weeks. Q. Pigase stare to the committee what Mr. Til- | thing. ton’s conduct was toward you in the early part agement of my servants, and with | has HOME LIFE REVEALED. | | whtie 1 would have liked Theodore Tilton Again Ar- | | first really aisturbed Your peace or mind in your \tamhyy A, [think that Brat 1 was jeaious of bis | ! attention to tne ladies, | your conduc! | yes; ' everyone; persons tiuat | bore to taik wita L would be | would euterwain; that ws + Mr, Tilton, aud he said "1 yathered about me the | yegaru to your as story of the scandal, have been om- Tn all other respects the comipittee state that the Iol- jewing testimony 1s in every way a iaitniul copy of | terday;’ 1 would say, How jong did you remain in Uxiord street? | | 2did mean to teli you, bat Lt forgot it;” A. We went to Ment of the honsehoid watters geuerauiy. Q ou speak of bis res-rring to it harent: severely; how did he teat you in matters o! and that my manage- | pre husband any act en sows of impropriety with Beecher ? A. No. THR CATHERINE OAUNT STORY. Q Did you aduut to him any wrongs of criminal | description? A, Lfailgeneraly when Lattempt to intimacy with Mr. Beecher at other pluces? A. No, be severe, and therefore }do vot think 1 cau imt- tite rdescrine him; Dav i was very hard and | cruel; he would trequently Make some very impui- A Dramatic Story and an Extra- | | gare co my dealings there; but directiy after mak-" | ing a severe remark to me he would always apoio- | gize and say tuat he Was sorry, bur the apology | Was in privaie; iti @ Sorry story, indeed, sive remark; | rememoer his taking me to task and scolding me severely before the outcher in re- Q. Were bis demands extravagant y A. Very Much so; he was very purticular With regard to jet, and the taole tigen, and fs own apparel; and the giass and che must be very mice; Lub these things cost money, £0 that the expenses which we were subjected fo were largely increased, ry well to have had It diferent. | MUTUAL @BALOUSY, Q. Now, state to the comunitiee what it was that qQ. When were you first sensible of that? 4, I |} think not wut the WIMGEE OL Isdu, Q. Do you recall any eriticism of: Mr. Tilton upon il any r@apect prior to lsov? A, Ol my manner to everyoue was a trouble to vodore; A Unk that Was toe beginning o1 my trouble; | saw sometginy we Would find ita periect interested in, aud great anboyance to Tigst distressing Sore of pe pie,” and he irequent- | ly had to go @Way 3 MaDy persons that were pleas- | @ut tome were repulsive tu Dim, but all wuo came | —it muttered very litti@ to me who they Were—I Wok an interest 1a, uot trat | wanted such and such @ person, DU th@ hodse was Open, and [ really (eel (hat you showu grve me credit jor that ; One gilt Of mine (1 1b 1H A Rit), of seeing Something » in alinost everyone to 0@ interested in—the pocr | and rich und the miseradie—even those women | who have troubled me $0 much jatierly, Q, When did he vLegia to talk to yuu, if at all, in OCAGOR With and iriendsiip ior Mr. beecher 1 tiiak Anas DO personal visits from Mr. Beecher beiore 1s6; thats tue first taat T remember seeing bim. vecy tauca, THEODORE AND BEBCHER’S VISITS, Q. What was ine erihasm in regard to Mr. ‘ Beecoer and yourseli wav Mr. Tiltou made? A, 1 would like fo go bacK # litle here, lord think It Wil show you thy inkoter With Mr, Beecher; wien . Livedin Oxiord street that Was the first of this ( tamt with wich Mr =— fied my husvanu’s mind as eariy ws 16: begin to tlk to me abdut Mr. Beecher’s wrong- dotugs with ladies whieh he . Tilton) vad heard from Mr. —, ald night after migit, day aiver day, he talked @boat Mr, Beecher; he seemed to be worried On that subject, so that when Mr. Beecher came to see me air. Tilton im- mediately began to bave suspicions; but, in order that 1 might be pereetly (rauspareut to my ‘theouore then used 10 = husband with respect to my tnterviews with Mr. | Beecuer, whenever | waa alone with him 1 used to make a Memoranduig and charge my mind with all tue detuils of the copyersatiou that passed ve- tween us, that L might fepeat them to Mr. ‘Titon 5 it was so in regard to €@vory ,eatieman who came | to see me und with Whot 1 sat aluue; | was very | clos iy watched and questioned, but especially i regard to air, Beecher; 4 attributed those ériti- cisuis from Ibeodore to Mr. ‘8 crhucisms; I never had 2 visit trom Ms, Beccher that 1 Was not estioued; ‘Theodore Would question me till I taought f nad told fim ai that we tasked avout, | aud perbups & day or tWoalterwards | would tirow oul aremurk wuich Mr Beecher bad made, and ‘Inevodore wouid say, ju dian’t teil me that yer- jorgoc tt; “you lie,” he would say, “you didn’t Mean to tei me;” “On yes, for two or three years j tried ‘aitiiully to re;eat to my hus. baud everytaing that 1 gaia and aid, till 1 found it made nim more suspicious than ever. He be- J was conscious of never Meaningiy omitting any- 1 wanted Theedore to know everything that passed between us, I ofter said that il he Oi your married lite, so iar a3 personal attention | would only come home and be there, he would Was concerned, in sickness or in health, A, I Wish these gentiemen to understand tuat to a | very Jarge extent 1 take the blame upon myseli of the indifference that my husband has tw all my lie; at first 1 uu erstood Iwas not to have the attention that ve; I realized that his talent and genius must not be narrowed down to myself; that 1 made him anderstand also; to a very large extent 1 attrib- | ute to that the later sorrows of my life; I gave know all. TILTON’S BUSPICION: Q. You say that he would say, “You lie;” be kind envagh Wo expiain to the committee wuat hts nan- ner Was in doing that? A. lt Was passionate and hany Wives | angry; be had he coniidence in me; 10 those days J suftered a great deal; the last twe or three years T have not ielt 80 vadty, q. You say that tuese suspicions and criticisms | continued jor about three years? A. Tney nave ‘bim to understand that what migut be regarded | lasted up to the present day, I thiak. a8 negtect under other circumstances would not be regarded by we as newiect ia him, owing to hts business and to his desire to make # name btumsel! aud to rise belore the world. NEGLECT, | Q To what extent was that attention to outside Matters carved by him to the neglect of hisiamily? | ven J bad” A. atine wrth of the first echt very Severe and prowonged sicknesse: he saw me he never felt tuat I was s! on seeing him I aiwiys tried to seem we yut when by us many a@ time by my mother and “Wien my brother, fheodore or the doctor comes you are never sick; they said of me, “She has never a | genins tor being sick ?? Will you state just what attention your hus- your confinement or any other tiimesses, if you had them? A: Weii, I had no attention whatever, T may truthiuliy say, srom pin any more than a stranger would give; L do not think it was irom | meglec: so Inuch as (rom an inavility on tis part to | understand that J was sick anu suffering, though, $n jact, i was Very sertouniy tl. Q. Please give the committee some idea of the length and severity Of your illnesses in the turee instances, or in any One oi them? A. At tie birth oF my second little girl l was sick from the middle of Apr! until September, continea to my bed; Laat up for the first time in the middle ot September w little while. Q Who was your physician? A. Theodore, | can truthiully tell you, in that time never gaye me any sympathy at ail; he catled to see how I did in tne imoruing and in the evening, or late at night; at this periou he was absorbed in chess to such a degree that he would sometimes be up ull night; | dave known Lim to stand up at night, ready sor bed, engaged upon a problem in chess, and to be found ip thai same condition in the morning, Without haying gone to bed atail. Q. Was his conduct in that respect the subject ol remonsirance Oa the part of your mother and others? A. Frequently by my mother. Q kver in your presencer A. Yes, sir; and also by my nurse, who was a lattliul woman; she would giten speak to him and oy hin it nis pres- S ence 4s thougiiless and heurtiess; 1 bave kuown | her maby ties to speak harshiy of him. Q. How mu was he engrossed with actual busi- ness at this’ time? A. Not very mucn; | always thought that i Theodore had more ousiness he would have less tline for seutuuent and romance, Q How much time did ne spend iu actual busi | A. In the eariy years of Ms eJi- | ness us editor? torial tie } think he was ap etty hara worker; he never had his study at home then, aud never wrote much at home. Q Do you recollect any message? which came to youor to the family frow your doctor im regard to | he could not sleep; Jour condition, giving the reason Why your ilaesa | Was o1 such # lingering cuaracter? A. Yes, sit; 1 remember that Dr. rutnam said, ‘Lhere is care and trouble on that woman help it with meéicme.” He said that there something he could not reach by tne ordinary method, and that it was troubie. a Wiat was the trouble in point of {a Well, any one of you gentiemen, | think, would have cared tor my family as muct as i heodore did, tor piieliso desirous O1 his presence: It was charged upon me Dr. Morrill; | ‘ wrote io you in this particular ? {| with him then; | gard to social ttle ? mind, and i cannot p Was | ) always. wy A. | Q. When did Lis complamia against you change | fromethe jorm 01 criticibm to that of accusation, ur someting more than mere criticism! A. In the | lattes part el tue winter and in the early spring of 1869-70 he began to talk te me, assuming that I had done wren Q. In what A, With Mr. Beecher. QQ. Criminally . Yes; i have beeu with him days and niphts talking this matter over; vue t Would like to have you know that these conversa- tions jasted Jor years, wud that the change Of tis tuought from the “ld to the new,” as he calied it, was praduat; tv Ine were caused by lig hob being at rest in Lis own mind, § When he assumed that you had been guilty Q. “ | Ol criimioalmumacy With Mr. Beecher, how did you | band bestowed upon you in case of sickness daring | treat the subject + A. For a time I was very angry, ane expresged p iM as strongly as | Tposstbiy coud: | beudttt eon ‘and said 1 would not bu talked to mM that way. DENYING THE CRIMINAL INTIMACY. Q. State how you received it at different times, whether you received it silently or aemed ity A. I received it iu various Ways, according to manner in which ne introdu 1b; sometimes 1 would think it best to ne quiet; | have o ten taken the plausible mode of dealing with lim, and tried to iit his mind trom that sudject to some other; I pl aa accordiag to bis moods as fac as I could. Q. State whether or not you invariably denied you ever bad any criminal mtmacy with Mr. Beecher? A. 1 ¢ indeed; L remember that ne Pot only Chargcu ine with this Im my preseace, bat citen became so audacious as to write to me about it, and that seemed to me unpardonahie, Q When did he begin thac? A, In tne summer 01 1370, when 1 Was away. Q What was the ciaracter of that which he A. He some- times would write onite lengthily of Is own state of mind; bis social theores—what We cail free love docirines—were the one absoroing theme remember repiying to nin novthe letter, buc so far ast can recollect th have here allirmation, Q. What was your reason for adopting these various meihods in receiving tese accusations? A. Because | ict that be was ta a morbid stace of mind irom troubles of bis own; J was not quite Willing to treat the matter semousiy in regard to myseil until he began tu publisn it advvad, TILTON'S BREAK DOWN, Q. What di and quiet Mr, Tilton and relieve tis mind trom the impressions he had i regard to yourseil and in ree aloud; Lhave read to him nearly he never has sieeper lor years and years, Q@ Waat did you do par AeCUs..ion amiaust you thing but a it. Q Ind you alweys deny it? A. li the night; eek & GOO alarly in regard to his A. }never could do any- Oh yes, sir; y Please state what be said on the subject— how he introduced it, A. Weil, as 1 iook back upon it now, it seems Lo me that he woula be very ) glad to vring me isto sucn a state that I would i was ieit entirely with my servants, and they | acknowledge some wrong; all his influence in his ‘Were very poor servants, mother with me be to live with us on w Mr. ‘Tilton and hersei THEODORE'S BAD MOODS. aut of the disagreement of better ti your hushand ‘had been | making up is mi | avout to Q. You intimutea that you thought it wonid be | more fully oc- | ever { could hot have my | conversauon was exerted m that direction; he | se it was iinpossible tor her | woula talk of the Bible—ne read it and thought of it—and he was pmuing persuaded avd was 1 in regard to the lite ke was Jead; and he would ask me again aud again, “What do you think about thist—*Whoso- looketh upon &@ Woman,’ &c.; realiy, my cupied; Will you explain trther wnat you meatt | triends, he was morbid on that subject; fdo not by that remark? A. He xpenta great deal ol bis | disswtisfaction with the time at home in moods o' surroundings, yearning, and wanting other minis: trations; there was nothing im our home that | satisfied him. q. Why was that? A. It was on account of my domestic duties ; 1 think it was because L vould not | minister to him in the way ne Wanted me to—that | as, in reading; bis life was largely literary, and 1 could not meet hit there had three htile chile dren, al! of about the same axe, at thar time. q. Were his iriends pe:sous who were congenial to you at that early time’ A, Yes, sir; |) Was happy in the iriends that he brought to my house, and lelt as if they Were an addition to my ile, Q. Tell me Who your gnests were at ine time? A. ido not think Waen we boarded with wotuer tuat there were many cept the ehureh Jolks; when we leit moth and went tato Oxiord street literary peopie came to ihe house, and that they would sometimes cali apd whee he came home | would that So Rud so Naa been there lauguingiy te uring (he day, and he would ask, “What did you | have to say?) 1 wonld repiy, “Well, L Fate listener i{ they are goou taikers # good chatterer mysei.” Q. Did you understand that he said that as expression of doubt as to your abuity to entor a first, aunt people, A. Yes, sir; there is not tne shadow of a Aloubt of it; Laave jived under that al he was very crittcal about my language; ween under Theodore’s intiuence I do not wink ! ever saidany- thing Ireely or naturally. HOS? AND HORTEss, Please state what you aid ov tried to doin r ceiving these intends of bisy A. 1 tried to rece Ahem Kindly and pleasantis, always, and 1 think there 38 not ane ot them ti to it; they were welcome; aesire to make my house hospitabie to ev that came into it; we nad @ litte picture of a sw e@hine house; the first year Theouore home, wud I suid, “Our houge wili always ve like anat.”” @ I want to ask you in.regard to ts attentions to domestic Wants—to the needs of the family, A. Ale did not know anything about them took charge of them myseli altogether: orten he owas critical abont it and T wouid say, “Well, alone J can do bo better; but with you if t do much better,” und he would say, “1 ao upon you to go io the office Lo do iny wor! yours; the other is mine,” , What was the charac They were very , Speak to we extravagance, aa he considered it; he Pry ak and must have the best of everythin but ree n't Peauiag the cost, Q you mean that he jound fault with your Aomesiic management? A. Yes, sir; with my ate OF call j ehis is Unreasonable, indeed; he would Was ve if not, tam | n | oh Will Hor bear witness | 1 always hada great | ery one | broaght if | | the time of his deat ail; 1) junk T cond | ' Of his criticisms? A. | A. Yes; be based an accu toink he ever taiked about anything else} 1 so relier irom it day and night, T assure yo would keep me awake till toree or four o'clock in the morning discussing of tis particular suoject; itcame ior bis giving up his reiigious taith altogetuer it was a break down, TILION'S MORBID JEALOUSY, Q. In making those offensive allegations what did he say’ A. As Often as any way he said, You will now deny that you have had erimimal’ inter- | coutse,”? aud he tricd to iriguten me by saying toat he bad seen certaiu things. Q. What things did he say member that ouce or ad seen ? twice be preended he saw cher’s lap a) home im the red the perior: Mm reply .o this t said, “You Ido not KooW What you gentiemen will thiek, but you cer ainly Can see that such @ cou- tinual talk, year im and year out, would have its nfuence tipon we; i Cale realy co ve quite inddi- lerent except im regard to my guxiety abou hint iG Was QSort of MorbiG jealousy that he had; | was worn out and sick With ii. A. I re- 4. Wis it only th respect to Mr. Beecher that be | Made these accusatious, Or ip ri spect to other | add to the stories that were already in cir- she people aiso? A. In respect io Mr. Beecver only at Wilai time; about 1870, L believe, he began to think ct had great adwirauon tor several peopie besides Mr. Beecher, Q Did he hositave sir, he did not. \. slow riany different persons did he mention ? A. i Wo ar (unde geutiemen acquaintances, . Did he ever m#ke to you any cusation even wih respect to Mi, Bee: ly definite time or piace of any On! uo, never, He never conuec with it. to mention names? A, No, her, naming minal wet? ed any ams, 4. Did he ever ¢ ot aity, BEDROOM SCENE tela to you that you had peen gu impropriety with Mr, Beecher at Ws Mr. Bevcher’s) house 4. No; he wondered why 1 went there on two or three occasions: I went on errands; Lattended Mr, Burgess a great deal at went to Mr. Beeche in regard to that man, y. Did you ever mect Mr, Beecher at other | S$ by appointment’ A, Never at all; not ounce. Y. Did Mr. Tilton ever hase any accusations agaist you Upon any admission whicu you had wg M de to him, eitiier with respect to an event at seecher’s or your huuse or any other Mr, Q In any conversation with you at any time did he accuse you oi any wrongdoing with Mr. Beecher nased gs gay. admission by you’ A, No, sir, f O, Jn it true thagin Juiy, 1810, vou contessed to | answer that question; the one Vhat was iuceresting in | | Mr. Hil—Q. You at | Beecner’ to think that his suspicions of | was a direct, not question exacdy, but | you do in endeavoring to soothe | A. Tread to him @ great deal | cluurge or ace | ume | | Yes; and it was a very singular thing for him to | (le Was & poor man), and {| two or tliree times to see him | ‘ house, wherein he states sir, Q. Now, please state what conversation occurred in the summer of = along abouy the month of duly, between you and your husband in relation to that subject? Q. Well, | suid in my statement not that I had made a couiession similar to that wuieh Ca‘herine Gaunt bad made av one time, but that I had said things in many Conversations out of which there might have been gatuered up just such @ sory as on reading Catherine Gaunt’s up to @ vertaim potut I ielt that she had told. Q You wrote a letter to your nuaband from ' Senonarie; had you at that time read che “Lile of Catherine Gaunt” through? A. No, | had not; | pad read the “Lie of Catherine ks point, and, betug toucied very stronely with it in | regard to tnysei!, 1 sat down and wrote this letter | to Pueodore, Mr. Winsiow—Had yoo at that time any refer- ence to adultery or thought of 10 A, No, sir, Q. What did you reer to? A. 1 will try to ugorbing feeling whole Iife has been Theodore Tiiton; Leither echer, I assure you, nor any oo mM) Mr. tor him; but { must say thal I telt very great heip- fulness In ny own soul from i Ship oi Mr. Beecher, and ase Of other people, as many Women as mer, SIN, Shat im the summer of 18% you mude confession in respect to catherine Gaunt, and tnat you Made i at noone time? A, No; 1 did nov; 1 think that Theodure gathered up from ail our tulks that sommer that | really jound in Mr. Bee ner what I did not fiud in him} he got ie what yon give dure $i fi find in Mr, Beecner.” “sins? what aid you an by that’ A. 'T dore’s nature bemg & proud ‘one, | tett on reading that book that 1 had done juin wrovg, that | ha harmed him im taking any one else in any way, altho} much tO my Buul | _ Q Taking any one else in wnat respect? A. Ido | mot think 1 1 hud known as mucA ast do now of I should ever have encouraged Mr. acquaintance: [ think [dia wroug ia doing it, Inasmuch as Whurt Tucodore; Ido not know a8 [can make myself understwod; but do you kuow What J mean whenl say ti lwas aroused in myseif—that I had a seli-assertion which 1 never knew before with Theodore? there Was giways & dumper between me and rheodore, but there never was between me an. Mr. Beecwer; with Mr, Beecher ‘Tuton what Mr. Beecher did, ad A WANT OF MARITAL SYMPATHY, F. ufted it up? with him. 1m. Mr. Winslow—Will you state In a few words what Was that sin which you spuke 01 in that letrer? A. Ido not think [lel that it was anytiing more than giving to another what was due to my hus- band—tbat which he did not bring out, however. 4. When you speak 0} what was due fo him, what do you refer to? A, Why the ail of my ture; 1do not think [feelany great sin about it now. , _ By Mr. Hill—Do you mean that you thought you | lec your afections or your regard or your respect } gO out jor Mr. Beecher unduly and so censured yourseli? A. No, sir; [do not think | ever feit that, because I did not think I karmed Theodore | 4 in that; { barmed nim in bis pride vy allowing any | Heved that | leit out many tangs purposely, wulie | one eise to enter into my lile at all; I think that was ain. | 2 When you speak of your sin you do not mean to be understovd as going jarther tnan that? A, | No; jet me tell you a littie more; Theodore, up to | tllat time, in his accusations, would oiten tusk to | me by the hour to suow me the effect that he said he knew 1 carmed about my personal presence | With gentlemen and | woula become nearly crazy | in my conscience; he would say that he knew there was Do one Who carried suzh an influence as I aid; I would say, “theodore, I de not think that ts a fact; if 1 did I would never speak to another man ip all my lite.” Q. Did he define that influence? ; hada | SENSUAL INFLUENCE; T used to become nopregnated witu this tdea of his | myself while under his imfuence, and | wondered | | 1716 Was 80, and would think tt over and over; he Would often talk to me in that way by the hour, | and try to persuade me that it was (ruc; and thea | when 1 used to get out irom under his imfuence |} Lwas perfectly sure that no man ever leit that >» Way toward me. | Mr. Sage—Was there, in the sin to which you re- ferred, anything tiat Was unjust, or that was giv- Ing io Mr. Beccher any affection that belonged | A. No, sir; I thiuk tuat the wifely ieeting which I gave to my hnsband was | a8 pure as anything that I couid give him; there Tespect which I gave to Mr. Beecher; and J teach my give to their husbands piven-to mine they will do enough; I have you gentiemen realize how | | very severe that was to me, because it has been | day alter day and week and alter week—the hear- to your husband? | Was nothing more than confidence ar | daughters tuat if they What 4 would like ing that that was tie effect of my presence upon | persons; it made me sick and caused me to dis- kept me in embarrassment; it was tress mysell; a hard tuing to live under, Mr. Cleveland—vid it make you feel that you were beneath hin and not bis equal’ A. Ob! cer- tainly; I will teli you A LITTLE INCIDENT | to explain this feeling in regard to my personal ap- | pearance (my presence was always mean, I knew) ; have often been thvited to go With him to meet | his friends, and very much against my will Ihave gone; I never could appear as a lady ot | course 1 never could dress as other ladies did; | that was not my taste; and when | huve been going at his own desire, | there with them, he has turned around to me and said, “I would give $500! you were not by my side,” meaning that | Was so insignificant tha: he was ‘ashamed of me; and I rememver perfectly, in two or three in- stances, ol going to hotels, where my being short Oo} stature Was a dreadful trial to him, aud he said, “I wish you would not keep near me;’ [ would ' not have gone ii I had not been invited by him, and Idid not go gave to accompan: very well; there was @ large company oi irienas at our house; they were all his iriends—a gather- | ing o women’s rights people—and he particularly | requested me not to come uear him that night; it ‘was very evident to me that he did not waut com- | parisons maue be: ween us; that seems very Mean | to state, but it hurt me very much to Know it. , his own assoctationsy A. Yes, sir, [ had. | Q. What was the character oi that conversation ? | A, He had always very treely opened his heart and | his thoughts to me in all these conversations, for 1 | think he never had a thonght without telling me; no matier how much it hurt he would tell it, and he made a great many disclosures to me of nis life tuat summer, A CONPESSION OF ADULTERY. nality with other ladies? A. Yes, sir, | A. Yes, sir, other way—irom him to you? ferred to on | eral. | Taind what to do in regard to living with a person of himself he would dott. | statement Ww! | him, and finding that he had anticipated you? A. | came irom me, and he said so; he declared that he insisted upon my correcting these impressions. mer of 18707 | whieh oc he: hat woman has been talking against me, | day T put on my tuings and made a call on her, | and said that (was surprised that she should | colation 5 | would have sake; and know wh, husband had told stories of yourset to such-and- such a person that came to me directly, and | was not gotug to allow ou accusation of tnat character to stand against you;” L found, wherever I went, that 1 should avoided she satd: have thought doing it for my ‘Mrs. Tilton, do has now pablished. Mr. Sage—He was charging you with Same crime that he was committing himseli? A. do; 1 would go back from these calls utterly | Speechtess; { could say no more to these people; | and I sald to him, “Theodore, what made you gen | me there ** he wouk! deny that he had éver sai | any such things as were attributed to him; were be no taiking witn him; he was very un: cason- able, THE IMPROPER CARESS AND THE BEDROOM STORY. Mr. Hill—I want to cali your attention to tue allegation made by your husband in his published statement with respect to a ecene in Mr. Beecher’s at you were lookin: engravings, and that there was an improper caress; Was there any truth im that? A. No, sit; {said in my statement that it Was not true; you place’ | must consider my publi tement » part of m; ation against mein his | testimony, vi bbore ” bed y “ public statement upon an toterview which L had arshiy aud severely about any little | With Mr. Beecher in my second story room, and 1 , deny it in my public statement. that? A. In Theodore’s statement. Mr. Hill—Let me call other charge—that be (Mr. Tilton) discovered yourself and Mr. Beecher jn the second story bed- room of your nouse’ A. That I also deny, @& De vou deny that it wasas he stated or Ag yon deny us of i human being ; | has ever tuken away irom that one fuct my love - having had the friend. | A. Not the siigiit common, seldoin closed, perhaps did make Tneodare suspt- Lous, Q ye, Mr. Beecher fushed when Theodore came iny A. “mt, know; } gave it ‘to him; bu I oiten said, ) ¢ waa ityou had given to @ von f Ks | to owners, L Vehouid find in you woacl | Q. In your Schoharie st you spoke of Jost | e0- ugh, On looking it over, I do uot taipk bat | that I should do it again, because It bas been so | J bad a sort of conscivusness of being more; he appreciated me us fueodore did not; 1 ieit Myseit another woman; I felt that he resvected te; I tink Tueodore never saw in me Sage—Do you meun to say that Theodore ie down ‘self-respect in you whule Mr. Beecher Yes, | never felt a bit of embar- rassment with Mr. Beecher, but to this day { never could sit down with Cheodore withuut peing self- couscous and feeling his sense ol my mequality A. He said I him, dear | Jriends; and I would have cut off my right arm to | have been five inches taller; he seemed unwilling | that Isnould be as the Lord made me; 1 do not know what else it was; one occasion I remember Mr. Hill--In July, 1870, had you any conversation with Mr. Tilton in regard to his own habits and | |. Q Did he make any confession to you of crimt- | Q ‘And did you say that was about July, 1870? i | ; You have noticed his statement in which he suys you contessed adultery to him about that | | thine, and you say that the confession was the | A. It was; ! do at his coniessiou at that time re | his talk with me reterred to sev- It was the time when I was making up my | who had reached such @ state, and in connection with these ideas which he had grown into; he said he wished me to understand that- when be was | away trom home on a lectaring tour or anywhere | visiting with iriends, if he desired the gratification Q. State what you refer to in your published ¢ You speak of your going to other | people to correct ympressions with reference to | | The world was filled with slanders about him; he did not seem to know it; he thought everything | Was the originator of all this talk about him, and | “tis not true, and what will Mr. q. Do you remember that that was in the sum- A. Yes; I will give you one instance urred with Elizabeth So-and-so; said and | Want you (o go around and see her and put an end to it; well, I immediately did; the next you I didn't? because the night before your Dot only tue accusation, but the details which he the -When did you first learn of our attention to ane | that he found you there? A, He found in our common sitting room, and he has rT Mr. Beecuer there; my writing desk was up there, and we sat there more often than tn the par.or, great deal; everybody else went up there; there were folding doors between the bedroom and the sitting room, and they Were almost aiways open, aud the door which Mr. Tiiton said was locked was generally locked, and We entered the room vy the other door, leading irom the hall into the sitting room. Q. Po you recoliect an occasion when Mr. Beecher Was m either ot these rooms and Mr. ‘Tilton came to tie hall entrance of the bedroom ¢ A. Yes, “becouse that has been the one thing that he has always taiked aoout to me, 4, Explain that occurrence. A, Well, I. think Theodore tad been wiih us for qmite a little season at morning; he had gone our; Mr. Beecher Was sitting in the large chair and J had drawn up & small one; Mr. Beecher had tn ms hand a litte manuscript that he was going to reaa; ldo not remember what it was; tae door trom the bed- Toom to $he hall was shut, and Istut the door leading from the sitting room to the hall, whieh was ually open; { had no sooner done thas (whien I did to keep out the noise of the children that were playing tn the hail) and sat down by the side of ME. Beecher when Theodore came to the otnerdoor; not tive minutes had elapsed since he went out. Q. Wag there any hesitation imopening the door? Q. Were the ioiding doors closed? A. No, they were widé open. ‘The dour leading to the ball to the bedroom was locked; but that was not un- My closing the other door, which was jot ut all. At what time in the day did that occur? A, About eleven or tweive o'clock. Q. He was there and leit you, and retarned in five minutes or jess? A. Yes, Q Mr. cher was there, up stairs; Theodore Was there, and you were there; all ol you were itting tog back im Bye miuutes? a. Yes, it was uot more ler and Tneodore went out and came than that. | « _ UNCONSCIOUS WEITIN Q. Tell ug with regara to the paper which Mr. Tilton sa)8you wrote to him the latter part of Devemper, (1870, wuerein you stated that Mr, Beecher hag been guiity of improper approacues to your A. Well, the paper Which I wrote tien Was but & ebuple of lines, so far as | can remem- ber; it was writien, a3 J have (old you already, at @ time when { was presty nea ly out oF my mind; if ever I was worried it was by this stant talk- ing; but what Theodore made me write tell to scan iam conscious o: doing it on very many oceasjons; lam conscious of wriliug for Mr. Tilton many (hiugs under ‘us dictation or copying them off avd giving them to lum. Mr. Winaiow—i'nings that were false? A. Oh, yes; that iswhy Lexpect beiore you to appear ut- terly miserabie and weak and iorlorn. Q. What did he say to you to make you write them? A. He bad very great embarsassments in every Way, especially at that ume, when these BOCiAl Scandals were Upon him, Q What venetit did he tell you would come If you would Make these statements? A. He said this statement was to velp tim in the matter with Mr, Bowen; i did not understand how it was; but instcad 01 going to Mr. Bowen with it he went to Mr, Moultod, aod tua: quite started me, Mr, Hui—you say that the paper Was about two lines long’ A. Les, sir. Q. Can you tell us what was init? A. No, sir. Q. Ii there was anything in it which refiected on ‘Mr. Beecher, was it true or talse? A, False. Q. Did Mr. Beecher make any improper tion or request to your A. utterly false; 1 have dove many things \ike signing that paper. A- PSYCHOLOGICAL INFLUENCE. Q. How happened it that you did these many things—copying oif statements which Mr. Tiiton had prepared tor you and which you say were | jalsey What was the infuence that operated on your mind? A, 1 have always been unable to ac- count for ity I do not know why (did ii; there is @ certain power that Theodure has over me, espectally 11am sick, and be bardly ever caine to me wien I was in any ower condition to do anything of that so:t, and L_ very would say, “Well, 1t matters very little to me; T shan’t be here long any Way, and if you want me to do this 1 will do tt)” Mr, Winslow—Had gou arrived at a condition of mind on thig Occasion tn Which you could not ex- ercige your will? A. Yes, sir, Q. Was it nis will altogether that influenced you? A. Yer Q. Did yowsee! that your will was not acting? A. Laid; ou@ or two letters that Lsent West will bear witnes® to that—with regard to tus same matter; | wrote a letter to Mrs. m one ten mivutes, and iu the next ten minutes | wrote an- other Jetter to her with a statement just contrary | to that of tie firat; the first was written under Mr. Titon’s influence; after having written 1 to myseli, “Why, 1 have stabbed r. Beecher,” and L wrote in tive second letter, For God's sake don’t ste fo what said in the first.’? Q. Who siggested the words of that two-line letter in J870y A, Mr. Tilton; 1 had hardly any Mind or conseiousness in those days, Q. Did he write the words 10r you to copy or dia | A. He always wrote the letter aud Ucopted it; I never have written a letter of my own in regard to this matter, except one very | small letter, about which 1 desire to coniess; it | ard to my mother; [ do not know -Scen it or net; in that jetter 1 gave he suggest them? War witt whethers! her A VERY CRUEL STAB; | 1 wrote that, but the others were entirely of Mr. Tilton’s concocting. Mr. Sage—When Theodore desired you to write | which he dictated or wrote and you | copied, were you so much under the intuence of | his will that you bad no power of yourown? A. those lette: 1 never exertea my wiil when ne Was avout, Q. Had you any power ot will, or did his will so | dominate you that you were obiiged to act under | hist A. (have often thought whether] nad any | power or whether his Was a mesimneric condinon brought to bear upon me; | certainly was indiffer- ent to any act that! was doing, except todo as he wiled me to do. Mr. Hii—Was that statement prepared during | . your sickness at the time oi your miscarriage in As7or Yes, sir. 4. Then this over you to whic! your physical condition’ A. Yes; pected to see the hight azam, Mr. Winslow—Was that letter addressed to any- { body? A. It was a mere statement, Q. Did he say what he was going to do with it? Mr. Greeley and aimost © 1 cannot | sugges- | hy, no, sir; it was | Irequently | NEW YORK HERALD, WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 5, 1874.-TRIPLE SHEET. hie EE soul to ——? A. Nothing more than to tet] her what unjust accusations had been put upon me by I had been in considerabie my busvand. | DR. STORRS’ STUDY. Q. When was that? A. About @ week alter he called the Council; trouble about this letter of mine, and, kaowing that vr. Storrs had seeo it, | went one morning, without consultation with Theodore, alone, apd asked Dr, Storrs to hear me; he couid nov that morning, but he apported the next morning at nine o'clock for an tmterview; that was a little while beiore the session of the Council; | saw bim all aloue; I told jum I went to pis churcn the Sunday before, and that [ meant to ave seen him there apd asked an interview then, and he Said that be never saw any aue on Sunday after chureh; then I told him I bad been very little to cured lately, but that my daugater haa attended his church and eojoyed his services, and { thaaked hua for his kindness to her (be had introduced her into his Buaday schoo); f told bim tat 1 had called on purpose to say to him that there was @& Jetter in the statement which Mr, Tilton showed him, a8 | understood tnat ft had written, and that I wanted him to kuow that [had Kot composed that jetter and Was not the author of it tu any Way, that it was false, aud tuat it was added tw the ‘statement in order to have some word irom me; Dr, Storrs looked np at me and said, “1 wish — 1 had known that a week ago, because on tnat letter alone 1 beueved Mr. beecher tobe a guilty man,” | Nr, Winslow—Did he inquire how you came to copy Buch # letter? A, No. DK, STORKS IN A HURRY, Mr. Hilt—Did you explatu to nim? A. No; he wanted to Know if | knew ot the great sin that L had done; I said I did; he sald it was a tearful tuing; to which | eaid yes; I realized it; l had trequently done sueh things as that. Q. Did you explain to him the influence of Theo- dore upon your A. No, sir, Bot at length; le was in a hurry. Q. You went to see him for the single parpose of correcting that imoression? A. Yes, sir; he was then going to see Dr. Budington; and he sand that 1) | wauted to talk Jurcier he would like me to see ‘Dis Wile, Q. Have you had any conversation with Dr. Storrs since? A. No, sir. Q. Yo you Know Dr. Budington? A. No, sir; | never met bin. | |i Theodore that you were going to Q. Did you " A. No, sir; but he very soon 1ound see Dr. Svorrsy it out, Mi, Hili—I want to call your attention to the letter Which was published by your husband in his stavement, dated Biooklyn, February 7, 1871, ap- nuy irom Mr. Beecher to you; did yon ever See ity A. No, sir; 1 mever séw it until it was printed there, NO CORDIALITY WITH MOULTON. Q. Did youever hear aboutit? A, Ll was never willing to have anything to do with Mr. Moulton, although Mr, Tiiton was; 1 have never beeu & cordial visitor at tis house; I never had anything to do with tum; Mr, ‘Tilton early told me that | whatever communication | had on these matters | lo regard to Mir, Beecher and Mrs, Woodauil must | } shall | over these trowbleswith her, so that she Was coIn- very possessed of his ideus ubout them? A, | come through Mr, Moulton; but 1 said, have pothing to do with any third party—I spall be trusted a8 I bave been nitnerto, and it Mr. | Beecher or any one eise has anything to say to me, | it snail not come through Mr. leiters which purported to come irom Mr. | Beecher, but i did not ijook at them, because they came through Mr. Mouitou; I did not care any- | thing about them; this one, one day when I was | sitting im the parior, Mr, Mouiton brought to me and said it Was a verv important letter; 1 refused to receive any letter from lum in that way, and Le | said, “Let me read it to you,” and he did read | something, but 16 went in one ear and out of the other, 30 much go that I do not remember what ‘Was 1n1'; | kuow there must pave been a letter, but I did not see the handwriting or anything about it; I did not take it in my hands; after read- | ing it he carried it away. MKS. TILTON’S SICK BED LETTER. Q. Can you recall anything in the letter that he Tead wuich makes you think that this is the one? | A. Iremember something about bis urging me to | that impressed itsell upon my mind was that Mr, | Beecher desired me to accept Frank Mouiton in against which { rebelled, in the letter which Mr. Mvulton read to me, | @. Do you recollect a letter beginning, “My Dear | Said me | Husbund—I desire to leave with you before going | lum,!” or sometning like tat; cised that remark of lowed me into the parlor and said to me that 1 must aischarge that girl immeatately ; at tre piano at the time; I frequently went there | and touched a lew notes when I was .b trouble, as ' a sort of relief; Mi and violently, aid —— heard it and came in and ) Said to him, “You are not going t | on m | asked | proached her, &c., rather boastingly; and she re- | plied to him, “Yer, | did’? at that he took bola | against the wall; aiter (nat scone Mr, ' to hed a statement that Mr. Henry Ward Beecher | calied upon me this evening and asked me it I Would deiend him against any accusation in a | council of ministers,” and ending, *Affectionately, | A. Yes, sir; but that 18 not my let- | | Elizapeth?” ter.’” | Q. How was it written? A. In the same way as those which I have already explained; | have no otuer explanation for any of them; that was write ten in bed; Mr. Tilton wrote it first and I sat up ia my sick bed and copied it. Mr. Cieveland—Is that true of all the letters that have that significance? A. Yes, sir, 80 far as my authorsmip of them is concerned. | Mr. Winslow—Was he excited? A, He was al- ) Ways very much excited about his own public dif- | | fleuities, i |. Q, thad he been out that evemmg? A. Yes; he had been Lo Frank Mouiton’s, ‘was very sicK and my nerves were greatly dis tarbea, Q. When he fi do not remember. Mr. Winsiow—What led to came in what did he say? this act? when Mr. Be of twelve times within five or six weexs, a8 Mr, Tilto1 alleges in he called as ofven as tnat; | do not think he leit to go West? A, Pheodore’s constant talkiugs; witli your ousvand in regard tv —— aud nis ment of her ? out in whom he bad been; cee licited her she utterly rejused u jound it sO With other women ; listen to that; | always had to bear it, and to hear | ai sorts oF unpgs. | Ve tay conve i ioe with Mr. Tiltoa in respect o; her? A. Yes; and she told me it was & thought ot telling me berore she ieft home, bat that she .cared it Would add to my buruens; toat she ined to think Mr. Tilton was a fatner to her and did hot mean anything wrong, aud ali that, and that she concluded not to teli me, A. Yes} Mrs, —— an to whether — 8 and lt thought she could be agreat nelp to me im Iny siate of J expected | iv was aitowether different off my servants; mother sad ste would remain tere came to me two or three times papers and | | tabie, grieved by what this person did in your presence ¢ A. Yes; he sat at the table, sne at the head, und { opposite, and Theodere and —— oo one side; | Miss ——, Who was upstairs, had not come down; | L was full of jeeling and coud eat nothing; pres- ent) head) crazy ;’? aod Mr. ‘filton think Mrs. Tilton is getting demeuted t” “No,” | have Mr. Moulton a8 a confidant; the only thing | some way, asin him we had a common ground; [ — | have a@ recollection of some such statement, | Mr. Hilli—What time did he get home? A. My nurse had gone to bed and he found me in bed; I | + She never came to stay there aiterwards; Al 3 Q Did you in each instance with her and with Miss Anthony take the troubie to say that these accusations are faise? A. No; it never occurred to me to do it; | took them to be 1 easonable per- sous, and I never thought oi their even wondering Lt It Was 80, Q I want to call your attention to an important statement of your husband that you Dave written out a confession or an admission Of your guilt with Mr. through your stepfather to the A. Oh, dear, no; 1 never heard of tout belore. er, and that you tutended to send it Bee “ buren ; is that sot MKS. TILTON GORS WES?. Q. How frequent were Mr. Beecher’s calla upon geod A. There was no regularity in them at all; think hever oltener than once in three or four weeks, Qa 8 there over a time, so (ar as you know, cher called upoa you 80 olten his sta A I do not think cement ? can have called more than once tn two or turee. i the circumstances under which you (went to get rested irom 1 Was worn out D: Q. Expl them; I went to Mrs, ——'s, in Onio, 1D the f of ki and jound —~ ter she vad been there ful some time. * * * ‘e you went West bad you a conversation treat- A. Yes. Q. What Was the substance ol it? A. This came his talks with me rvout persons with be spoke in tng way:— ‘o ocecasions when T g0- and | had not he made me Q.. Bete On one ort A MIDDLE-AGED MAIDEN LADY, When you went West and saw —, did you Sation With her about your mver- Q she said she often Q. You and —— returned together to New York? ltalked tie matter over as ld stay with her or myself, health, #0 she returned with me; to find my house as 1 ieft it, but my husband had sent aud Oversee matters while 1 Was away; she did for a few days, and then left; ue Wok tute the house @ midd ged maiden lady, aod she had eu- tre possession, Q. What was her name? A. ——. Q. Did you tind that iheouore had been talking es, Sir; and I have every reason to velueve that Moulton;” well, | 8he limistered to him in every way. TURNED OUT OF HER HUME. Mr. Hili—Do you mean ina criminal way? A. Yes, 1 do; I was ucterly turned out of house and home; when Igot there, there seemed to be no place for me; they had not expected my return 80 soon; ter; { taking my her up in all this; imever could have a word to say; she followed me wuerever I went; if | went into the china closet or anywhere ese, she was behind me, looking over wy shoulder to see whav Twas about; this weut oo until finally 1 was per- Snaded that sbe bad been told to tuke possession of the house and occupy tt they thought I was to remain West all win- jound her at tue head of the tavle and lace entirely, and Mr. Titton backed Q. Do you recollect au interview at the breakfast releired 7) by ——. at wich you were 1 leit the table, and ——~ (the person at the said, “Well, { think Lizabeth is petting xaid, “—, don’t you —— indignantly, “but it is a wonder to that sie bas uot been in the lunatic asy- Miss —— criti- ‘theodore — tol- 1 was ‘Tilton spoke tome defiantly ‘oid Mrs. Tilton account !"" he was very angry with her and her if [bad.said that he had guiltily ap- , Bu’, you did, aud you know you of her and threw her sarpenter came to ask me about it, he baving beard of it; Theodore Was present, aud be said to me, “1 wish you to make toat straight with Mr, Carpenter’? and Limmediately denied it, Q. —— leit the house within a day or two, aid she? A, Yes, she went to my motuer’s. Q. How lung was she absent irom the house? A. some- limes she wonld come and stop with me over ) might, A. Fis | STOPPING A GIRL'S TA bringing me.penandauk and paper; he bad-the i ary She stutes-that you had an Inerriew with hee letter already writren, Mr. Hijli—What did he say aboutit? A, Really, | I positively tell you 1 cannot remember; | felt | olten at that time utterly despairing and miserable, | and it mattered to me ont little what I did. riage? A. Yes. Q Vo you recollect Mr, evening’ A, Yes. : Q. Wien? that lever. | THE RIVALS, | Q. Do you remember writing some paper for Mr. | stitution for young adic; Beecher? A. Yes. A. He said he was going to use it if he wanted it; | against him, he gave me to understaud thatit referred to bis difficuities with Mr. Buwen, Q. Dia you write that le'ter from your sick ned? {had pen, ink and paper brought to | A. Yes, sir; nie. | a Q. Were you lying down or sitting up? A. Lying own. q. Was it in the day time or in the evening? A, Jn the night. this letter? matter of indifierence to me whether f not. THE LETTER TO DR. STORRS. ; _ Q. Is it true that he said anything to you about a A. Ldo not reinember every- thing about it; [ have tried very hard, dear | going to Irienda, to get into my mind those scenes, but | council ol ministers? | they are utterly gone out of my brain. | Q Did you not teil Miss Anthony that you had | committed adultery or other wrong with Mr. Beecuer, or anything to that effect? A. No, sir. Q. Did you ever tell any human being that | Mr. Beecher calling that | geainst him, and he said’ something A. But a few hours before I wrote | bronght into the Q. Can you remember that interview with Mr. | Beecher?’ A. It was @ very similar one to the , other; | was hal! unconscious and was very fil | | prepared to see either of them; my room was all larkened and the nurse had gone to her’s; she pened the door and said that Mr. Beecher wanted | to see me; 1 certainly do not know what to tell eculiar influence of Mr. Tilton | YOU about that either, you refer was aggravated by never ex- | $500 or $600 a year; i satd, a | said you | sent her away because of iny own case; Q. How long did Mr. Tliton {mportune you for | had been guilty of wrong-doing with Mr. Beecher? A. Abovt five minutes; it was a | A. I never voluntarily did s0; once my husband gave itor | took me in Mrs, ——’s carriage to the house of a hich you said that she migatyo away to schoo), end that her expenses would te paid; do you recollect that? A. Yes, str. Q. Please state what interview you had with your husband or any one else about —-—'s going Q. Was it when you were sick from a miscar- | away? A. He came hoine from a visit with Mr. i | —— at Mr. Mouiton’s house; te learned there that had this — story and was using tt wust be done to stop that girl's talk; mutuer bad been matter in some way, and he wanted me to write something and give it to — | to copy and sgn; Jsatd, “If you wilt write it I wilt take it to her;” she was then at Mrs, —’s, ip ——street, as Seamstress | he would not ailow her to stay. in our house; he said if sbe would sign such a paper as he wanted he would promrse her “You had better not lo that, butif any good can come out oi all this trouble, let it be to educate her; he said, “Yes, 1 will send her to Mr. in—, who has an in- I thought at last | there Was an opportunity for her gertn, an Q. Can you recall the contents of that paper? | pt y gerting | A, No, Leannot; 1 think it was to do someting | for him, because Theodore had done something | education; I am sure she did not know what she was doing any more than I did; ane was very pet peat A T handed the paper to her and , “Justcopy that and sign your name to it," avd sbe did, right away; IT do not think sho thought anything about it; her ming was on shoul, aud all that [the paper thus ) Signed was a retraction of the stories told about ‘Tilton’s behaviour] ; afterwards, when she Was away at school, Theodore threatened me a great many times and said, “You don’t think I it was because of the story 1 told her about you; I said I thought very differeatly of we matter and that L would not allow It te stand so; he represented that he sent her away because of some secret that | Jady to whom he had been telling stories about | ne had given her about me, whereas it was di- | me‘and Mr. Beecher; [ went against my will, and Mr. Hui—A letter was written, as we under- | when we got tuere he said, “I have brought Kliza- stand, by you to Dr. Storrs, or for use before Dr, Storrs, Will you describe the circumstance un- der which tt was written, and tell what was sata to you at the time? A. Theodore had been three or four months writing what he called “atrue | of this; rag not know whether statement; it was written on foolscap, and it | but nang i | beth to Speak for hersell, whether I have sian: dered her,” and I did not deny fim; it was tne | which Theodore had prepared, and | am reminded t was treachery, fines he has said, made a roll two or three of more inches in diame- | Dr. Storrs’, and now he knows that you are ter; he came tome one morning after, breakiast in the parlor, in the presence of Mr. Carpenter, who had staid at our house over night, and said | guilty; ne’ found out that 1 nad been to Dr. piorrs’, and he was very angry. | @ What did he gay? A. Lado not know, out he that in about fifteen minutes he wanted to meet | was very algry, as you may well suppose he would Dr. Storrs by appointment, and that he tad a let- ver on which would binge this wuole story, aud that he wanted to sow it, and that he wanted me to copy and sign it; I never would allow nim to read that story lo me except in little fragments, | low state of nealth, when talking to people about | because I did not believe in it, por would | allow the children to hear it; he wanted Florence to bear it oiten and often, and before he had this letter he asked Annie ‘Tilton and Fiorrie to | go down into the parlor and listen to tt; they said | no; they did not care to read the story; he said it was iny influence that made them refuse; well, this morning be had the letter written; it flus one | side of @ note sheet of my Writing, as 1 copied it; | said he, “I want you to copy that, because it is the hinge of the whole matter,’ meaning the woole or “trae statemeat;” (think the first line ol it was, “Mr. Beecher desired me to be hts wife, with all (hat that implies; Laid, “can't write that; satd he, “1 must have something a great deal better than I can write;” said 1, “I cannot write 1; “Well, he, “that ts not anything aiter all;’ said 1, Beecher say *"’ there stood Frank Carpenter mht by my side; there was the writing desk im the parlor, and be said that { had but diteen minutes, and I sat down and wroie it, THE WOODUULL TROUBLR. Mr. Winslow ~What use was he going to make olit? A. He was going to take it to Dr, Storrs, Q Why did he want to show it to Dr, Storrs? A. Idon’t thtak he gave any reason, except that he | had made 4 Appotnement with him; he said the Whole story Was aj] righc, with the exception that | he wanted sometning from me, ¥ Js it true, aS Mr. Titton says, and as he said vetore this committee, that you wanted to make a stronger statement than ne made? A, It is abso- lutely ialse; Tthougnt it was dreadtully wicked, strong as it was; U knew there was trouvle, and 1 | thought tt would in some way serve Theodore and bring peace to his houschold; he said that was the best way he could fixit; it was some scheme to get nim out of tre Woodhull trouble, Q, Did ne say Mhatit would get him out of the Woodhull troubler the whole statement would; but whether he said #0 that morning or not I don't know, FRANK CARPENTER’S ACTION, Q. Whar part did Mr, Carpenter take in this? A. No part; he stood by the fire and jooked on; he did not advise tue one Way or the other. Q Mr. Carpenter says you left the room and | readily aasenteu to tt; did you leave the rooms A. No, sit; there ave three parlors; he stood tn | we back parlor by the fire, and I went to the desk in the middie room, . Was Theodore with you any of the time? A. | pati of the time, write that letter; was that conversation belore you went to the desk? A, It wasin the middle room, bevore I took my seat at the desk. Q. Could Mr. Carpenter hear your conversation or your objection to writing the jetter when you made it? A, No; it was @ conversation in a low tone of Foice, Q Have you seen Dr. Storrs within ayear? A. I want to see bim at his study, now, come Elizabeth,” said | A. He said that the writing of | be; he was violent in manner. | .Q Was he ever profane? | always left his presence when he began to swear. | Mr. Cleveland—Do you think it possible in your | your troubles, that you might have left the impres- | Ston upon their minds that there was something criminally wrong withoutintending todo so? A. 1) Q | lent? | he always bore down upon me heavily tn the way of accusation, donot think | ever did; 1 understand that Miss An- thony and another lady have both reported that I | made confidants of them, and it came in this way: | I Nave, full of anguish of soul, many times talked stayed ull night with me, and I talked to her, THE INTERVIEW WITH SUSAN B, ANTHONY, Mr. Hili—How did that interview with Miss | Anthony come about? A. In this way :—She came Mrs. Stanton and my husband went first, early in the afternoon, and we understood that Theodore was coming back to bring Susan nd myself there; I was not going, however, The evening came and | Miws Anthony was very much annoyed to think | that Theodore didn’t come, and spe filed my | Mind all that evening with stories about Theo- ; dore’s infideliues; he came home about eleven oe Mrs. Stanton remained at Mrs, Buliatd’s nt; when Theodore came in Susan be- | gan in a very angry way to chide him for not coming after her, and charged nim with what she had been telling me he grew very angry at Susan—so much so that sne | Tan upstairs and locked berseif up in the front room; I foliowed, and he said tome, “You have done this thing; you have been talking and put- | ting tt into her mind; “No, { said, “i never wi the one to talk against Theodore in that manner; ; he Was so angr, | crazy; for the excited that I was alarmed; 1 thought | wouid sleep with him and apply water to his head and not safe, aud that [ should not stay with him, so 1 | went into her room and went to bed with ier, pnt during | how he was; he did not restless; that night I told Susan of my alarm for ‘Tueodore; § told her 1 never saw tus brother such a state when tt seemed to me that he | more crazy than Theodore oiten was, and I went on iurther to tell her how he was, she having seeu this exhivition of his—of his bein | his striking; I told her also in the conversation “that he had charged me with infidelities with one | and auother, and with Mr. Beecher particuiarty, | and that when he sat at bis taple many times he had said that he did not know who his chiidren ‘ | belonged to;’? on & similar occasion I spoke o1 it | . You say you told Mr, Tilton you contd not | w —-; 1 was aroused to ib by Mrs. Woodhuli’s | betng there and by being very much outraged by a visit irom Mrs, Claf_in and the two sisters of Mrs, | Woodhall, whom I calied the police to take awa) | — sat with me, and I poured out my sout to her. | POLICE CALLED, same thing as when I copied aid signed letters | You have gone to | | kept me socked up all day iong many a time; % | A. Very alten, and t) ning obtain complete dominion over yours, 80 that you lost your own willy A. Ltnink it did; 1 suffered a good deal. a week, freely to them, and on one occasion Susan Anihony | ¥ really did. | With Mrs, Stanton one atterneon to our house, and | they proposed going to Mrs, Bullard’s tu dinner; | difficulites towards toe end of 1870, about the time of Mr. Tilton” cent, one or two days before your sickness? A. Yes, str. with Mr. Beecher with regard to diMiculties at home; be almost instant: about ladies, and | that I feared ne would be really | rst time he threatened to strike | | me; be went into his own room, and was so much | to youwas? A. 1 the night I went trequently to sve | angry and of | rectly the contrary, Mr. Cleveland—Where did the moner come from? A. | thipk Mr. Moulton Juruisued it, but [ do not know. MOULTON FCRNISHING MONEY, Mr. Hil—What was the character of your private discussions with Mr. Tilton’ A He would take ue into w room and lock the door; this he las done days and days; | think the reason lie locked the door was to keep the children from me; te has nis innumerable times; tt was this has occurred | Which wearied my life, Mr. Sage—While he liad you locked up did Ins Mr. Hill—How numerous were these interviews? A. They sometimes took place two or three times Was his manner mild and conciliatory or vio- A. It varied according to iis moods, But Mr. Cleveiand—Did you ever feel in those jews that his mind migit be unsettled? inter- AL MRS. BRECHPI AS A COUNSELLOR. Mr. Hill—Do you recollect having an tnterview ‘our domestic valedictory in the /ndepen- Q. Please state what occurred at that interview. A. ttold him | wanted to talk with hum about my when he saw the character of my message, sat Well, 1 will send Mrs. Beecher to you; she will bea mother to you; tell her ail tuat you woutd like to say 3’? he did not seem to bave day advice to give par- Ucularly; he preferred that Mrs, Beecoer should be the adviser, so he brought Mrs. Beecher to me, at mother’s house, and mtrodaced me to her, and after a few moments he leit us; she asked me to tell her the story of my troubies, and inquired why it Was that | thought of a separanon. Q. Did you go over ail your troubles to her? A. Yes, in'a degree; I told her & good deal of the same sort of ting that i have tod you bere to- night, & Do you recollect what Mrs, Beecher’s advice think {do, pretty well; spe looked at the matter very differently irom what 1 did; [was vaciiiating im my mind what li shoula leet, but Susan would not let me; she said tt was | do; sie sald, did she know that her husband nad been faulty in that manner sce would not live with bimaday; she said she nad aiways known Theodore’s tenderness; 1 seit a tittle unvomforta- sleep—he was | bie In talking to Mrs, Beecher, because I knew slie was very much prejudiced against Theodore; I was not very greatly helped in my mind by that interview with Mrs. Beecher; | only saw her twice; I thought Lied better make my mind y for myseif; andl finally concluded to hve wit him, thinking it was a morbid stace that he was in, and that he would soon get out of it; my talks with Mrs, Beecher were long aud paivful, and I Cagnot recall all that was sald. Q Do you recollect whether you went back home In consequence of the fact that Mr. Tuvon had sent tor the children? cuildren and he had taken the baby, and then ( A. He had sent for che ‘went back aiter that. Q. State what you did in your anxiety and trouble with reference to this Miss ———, and the position which you louud her occupying sn your house? A. I think she hurt me more than any one Mr. Winslow—You called tho police to take the | tn the worid; she was more severe and treated me Claflins away? A. Yes, and they secing it, went ; with greater contempt than anybody of. | | Mz. Mil—You say that vom ananed oni vant and to such an extent that | could uot apeal my i as he er took any 6100; BOF