The New York Herald Newspaper, October 21, 1873, Page 3

CITY POLITICS, The Tammany and Apollo Hall *‘ Breach Widening. War to the Knife, and the Knife ; to the Hilt. A People’s Party and How It Can Be Formed. Cuming Events Cast Their Shadows Before. The New.Slate for Sheriff and County Clerk. The Senatarial Ticket and Con- gressional Tickets. Last week was a very eventful one in the local politics of Gotham, The two parties that claim the allegiance and the votes of the great unterrifiea utterly failed in healing the dissensions and brilg- ing over the chasm that divides them and which can only result in the defeat of the democracy at the polls on the 4th of November next. Instead of the harmony that the uninitiated expected from the conferences held between Tammany and Apollo the breach has only widened, and it may be safely Baid that there is now no debatable ground be- tween them. The order of the day is, “War to the knife, and the kniie to the hilt.” The cartel that passed from Apollo Hall to Tammany was pur- posely drawn up to be objectionable, that its terms might not be accepted, or, if accepted, that it would be a virtual surrender of Tammany’s grand Position—that of being, as claimed, the only legally constituted and organized democratic party of the city. So the leaders gn either side, with Punic faitn, held their contfer- ences, and upon their own dissimulation based charges of political heresy against each other, while each claimed, to be the true orthodox party ef the city. There was no Quintus Curtius in the Tanks to fill the breach, and in coasequence the democratic party, that, in the lace of reverses Drought upon it in the past tew years by its then ‘eaders, should have endeavored by concentration ‘nd unity under new men to present a formid- able and united front, must (one branch of it at least) go into the camp of the enemy to make alli- ances, with the object of defeating the party. The sham conferences having fallen through, Tammany and Apollo divide the democratic party and ren- der nugatory the inherent strength that, under other circumstances, would insure union and: vic- tory. The Tammany slate is claimed by its friends to be the strongest that could have been pre- sented, while the opponents of Tammany reckon upon defeating the slate from its very inherent weakness. The outside organizations are looking for a combination that will defeat mere parties and frame a people’s ticket that will win on the 4th of November. It is evident, not- Withstanding the declarations and asseverations of the leaders, that Apollo Hall again will ally itself with the republicans upon conditions that the republican ticket will give a place to some Apollo Hall nominees. THE APOLLO HALL RATIFICATION MEETING, Saturday night last, was anything but a great success. Letuers were written and read, to be sure, but they were in the Talleyrand sense—in- tended to conceal the thoughts of the writers, Sudden indisposition seemed to have fallen upon some of the expected orators, and before their presence was required on the platform they quietly stole away, and their voices were not heard either in ratification of the State ticket or in denuncia- tion of the Tammany local ticket. Ben Wood re- pudiates all entangling alliance with the repubil- tans, but he will fail to convince his friends that he is either desirous or sincere until he can point $0 & prospect of success in some other way. As upon this very point, in fact, the main ques- dion turns as to what party is most likely to win in yhe coming fight, a HeRaLp reporter called upon an rst time old Wigwamite, a partisan ata time when the “Pewter Mug” tap furnished the libations with which the great “unwashed” used to sacrifice to the Tammany saint and drink discomfiture to: all Ynbelievers. Through this ancient oracle he tooked as “through a glass darkly’? perhaps at what the old Wigwam seer presented to his view ‘mj the shadowy shape of A PEOPLE'S PARTY, . which he prophesies will take the wind out of the gails of Tammany and Apollo and the Custom House party. REPORTER—What are the present indications as you read them from your scroll of coming events? WiawaM SEER—Zhe political horizon is at present more clouded than ever. The repub- jicans will not show their hands until Apolio has made out its ticket. Then the republicans will foid their convention and the sponge will be put in requisition to wipe names out here and there, ana the heads of the leaders will be exercised in framing a slate that will be acceptable to the hybrid party opposed to Tammany in the campaign. ASPIRANTS FOR OFFICE gre dreadfully excited in consequence of the mixed state of affairs. Those whom Tammany threw overboard are again on deck, claiming recognition for their high claims from Apoilo Hall, with the hope of the foreign endozsement. In this connec- tion it is confidently anticipated that, with the exception of a few names upon the Tammany slate, the ticket will be beaten. ‘The ticket FOR COUNTY CLERK AND SHERIFF is especially wanting in strength, and before that ticket snail be fairly presented to the people some Fevelations of the antecedents of the candidates will be made public, calculated to weaken it Btillmore. The Jemmy O’Brien and Tom Murphy constellations are, onthe other hand, nearing in dangerous proximity to each other, and their con- junction may prove dangerous to the joint slate. Apollo Hall discloses to my view leaders without followers, and, outside the administration patron- age which Tom Murphy commands, there is noth- ing to give strength to that party. The fact is that the republican party, as represented by the recog- nized leaders, is a8 much, if not more, divided than the democratic to-day. There exists a most iniluential body of republicans who are with the party per se on all national ques- tions, but who are opposed, tooth and nail, to the policy of that party on local questions, ‘This body consists principally of the merchants, bankers g@nd commercial men gencraily that gave the vic- tory to the so-called relorm party a couple of years ago, and who, though to-day without leaders and unorganized, will at any moment, and even at the last moment, throw their votes in favor of an inde- pendent ticket, Rerorter—Is this what you refer to as the nucleus of a people's party? And how is that party to be formed and made effective for the purposes of this campaign? WiaWam SkER—In the first place, as I said be- fore, Apolio Hall is weak in voting strength, and the Custom House Ring is ditto COMING EVENTS CAST THEIR SHADOWS BEFORF— and Tread that what Tammany refused to Apollo Hall—“biood of its blood and ‘fesh of its flesn’'— the republicans cannot yield. Here, then, is the ew diiicuity, and just the place where the people's party will come in. You know when “rogues fall out honest men come to their own,” Tammany is A one: power just now, and the policy of the one-man power has gone a great way to disgust even the life-time adherents of the ancient regime, Tammany was never 40 strong as when the late ring, composed of four able men, were at the helm. Private partialittes or personal prejudices for or against candidates were not per- Mitted to influence their councils when making out asiate for candidates. But what is the tact now? It stands out in bold reher that the present Tammany clef has ignorea the counsels of the trained and experienced men of the old party; has made out a ticket notoriously weak, because parti- #an—in one important instance the creation of his own brain, and another case in Which he wag in- fuenced by the . COUNSELS OF COMPTROLLER GREEN, Rerorter—What are these special cases to which you refer? TAMMANY SEER—The more important, perhaps, Is that of the county ticket, to which I Orst reserred Here John Kelly’s own individual hand appears, Then the judiciary ticket, Irom which the name of Judge Fancher, rumor states, was stricken at the behest oi Comptroller Green, who did not fancy the just and independent action of the great “in- function Judge’ in ruling im favor of the honest Claimants for services perfprmed for the city. Then it is further rumorea that he purposes the manipulating the Senatorial and Assembly nomi- dalons juare in the interea, of Compwoler Green and bis followers than for the well people at cess of the party and the interests of ec. RTER—Th4ge are serious ¢ TAMMANY ‘They are serio! entertained, however; #nd to come back to our startin, point—a “people's ticket.” There &re at presen the elements of a great party independent of ‘am- any and the Custom House organization, Apollo fait did yeoman service for the reform ticket in the late election, It has still a future of good be- fore it, A conference between it and the Custom House party will end in a rupture, as did the ctpollo-Fammnany conference, Apollo then stands alone, partisan afiliations, It will be the to draw to it the leading men of all_ the other at present chaotic political elements, and thus may be formed a people’s party to carry the city on the 4th of November next. ese elements com- prise the influential body of republicans associated with the late reform movement—the liberal repub- licans, the Democratic Union Association, the John Foley organization and THE LARGE BODY OF GERMAN VOTERS, who, having no desire for office themselves, and entertaining no special regard jor mere political office-seekers, will be glad to give their votes for the Licket whose success at the polls would secure them an honest and economical administration of the city government, REPORTER—THis 13 @ premoieibg poture you draw, no doubt; but Where are the leaders to come from that will be recognized as seeking no other object than the public welfare ? TAMMANY SEER—Oh, as for that, there will be no lack of leaders. The present dissensions of par- ties, the weakness 0! the Tammany ticket, the want of inherent strength in the Custom House or- ganization, and Apollo Hall left out in the cold, Waiting for a little time, no doubt, Micawber-like, for something to turn up, will present, opportunity enough, for immediate action. A day or two will decide all this, and then you.shall see what you shallsee, Anything more prophetic than this it assurance you could hardly expect, REPORTER—But I would like to hear something from you of things present. What about tue coming : ANTI-TAMMANY NOMINATIONS? TAMMANY SEER—On the county and Senatorial slates Apollo Hall promises to start well, should the republicans give up the Shrievalty to thenr In that case rumor hath it that MR. JOHN M’COOL will be the accepted and fully endorsed candidate of the anti-Tammanyites. Mr. McCool is admitted on all hands to be the very best selection that could be made from the Apollo ranks. His record is unstained as a public servant in past years, and during the years that he has been out of active public life he has made himseif exceedingly popular with the working classes of his fellow citizens. He isa tower of strength in Apollo Hall and much of the adhesive quality that has made that organization prominent and formidable to-day has been imparted to it by him. He is by no means a bitter political opponent of Tammany and would chastise it by beating its Shrievaity candidate “more in sorrow than in anger.” His rincipal opponent, from present appearances, 18 ir, Alderman Van Schaick, who 1s strongly urged for the place. FOR THE COUNTY CLERKSHIP two names are mentioned, Mr. Alexander V. Da- ‘vidson, Chief Clerk of the Marine Court, and ex- Postmaster Patrick H. Jones. There are reasons, however, why another choice than either of these very competent gentlemen should be had. Mr. McOool and Mr. Davidson both hall from Apollo Hall, and, of course, both offices could not be given to candidates of that ilk. Then ex-Postmaster Jones and Mr. McCool would, to an extent, repre- sent the Irish element—therefore objectionable. The ticket, 11 is supposed, will be made to read :— For Sheriff, Mr. Jonn McCool; for County Clerk, Mr, Andreas Willmann—a German, Mr. John Foley 18 also a candidate on his own hook to catch the Shrievalty, and seems as san- guine of it as he was when he had nothing todo a year ago but seize the Deputy Chamberiainship. THE SENATORIAL SLATE, In the Fourth district Mr. John Fox ts the favor ite. It may, however, turn out a tripartite fight. Timothy Campbell remains in the field, and a new man enters in the person of Judge Shandley. In the Fifth district Vincent King is said to stand achance of being nominated by both organiza- tions. The friends,of Sydney Nichols, however, claim that he will carry the standard of Tammany in the fight. Comptroller Green wants Tammany to nominate Mr, FODEHECR: the present Excise Commissioner, Voorhees having, as supposed, pleaged himself to support Green if elected to the Senate, Mr. Charles Blackey and James Booth are also in the race, Sheridan Shook supporting the lat- ter. Ex-Judge Dodge would be the favorite of Apollo should there be a fair deal, in the Sixth district Mr, Jacob Gross,a young German lawyer of considerable prominence at the Bar and full of the quality and spirit to qualify him ae the Senate, will receive the Tammany nomina- tion. untrammelled by party or THE SEVENTH DISTRICT. Things here are very much mixed, John Mor- Tissey controls the delegation from the Eleventh Assembly district, and his man for Senatorial honors would be General Spinola; but he may give way to the blandishments of Mayor Havemeyer and Comptroller Green, who are anxious to send Oliver Cuarlick to Albany as their friend in time of need. He is opposed, however, first, by Judson Jarvis, the well known “order Cf arrest” clerk of New York county, a popular you Jawyer, whose knowledge of municipal affairs an et jamiliarity with the workings and abuses *f tit. several de- artments of the city government eminently fit im fora seat inthe Senate. Judge Ledwith haa declared in favor of Mr. Joe Blumenthal. Then, as a sort of compromise man, ex-Commissioner Barr is spoken of, The Celtic element of the district is reatly dissatistied at all the nominees presented hem, and fear a republican triumph in the person of Commissioner Laimbeer. THE EIGHTH DISTRICT. Here the controlling political element is, as in the Seventh district, seen in the wirepulling of Comptroller Green. His man is Alderman Henry Clausen, who really does not want the nomina- tion; but Havemeyer and Green insist upon his running forit. The Seventeenth Assembly is held by Tommy Ryan, but he hasn’t yet declared his in- tention. In the Nineteenth district Dr. Mierson divides the honors with Clausen, while he controls the Twentieth solid for himself, The Twenty- first district is held by Mr. H. H. Moore, who has also announced himself a candidate, Then, on the Apollo side, Alderman Cafferty intends to run. The Comptroller is very anxious for success here, and in order to defeat him the voters are looking to Mr. Hosea B, Perkins, who has large interests in the district, and who knows the necessities for special legislation therefor per- haps better than any other man init. As to THE ASSEMBLY SLATE, affairs political in other quarters are yet too mixed up to attempt to evoke any order out of the Assem- bly chaos, One thing is certain, THAT COMPTROLLER GREEN is exercising an influence in Tammany councils with regard to the Senatorial and Assembly tickets that too plainly indicates that John Kelly’s head is not level jor the present or future success of Tam- many under his régime. THE TAMMANY CORONER TICKET would have been altogether unobjectionable, so far asthe candidates are personally concerned, but that it presents the names of two Germans, leav- ing, in fact, should it be elected, three Germans in thatofMice. Mr. Dick Croker has rendered the party yeoman service, and it is the smaliest guerdon the Chief and his friends could offer him. Mr. Henry Woitman has rendered the city and State some service at Albany and in the Aldermanic Board in this city. His election may be considered secured. Mr. Eickhoff is the third candidate. Apollo Hall will probably come out for Mr. Thomas S. Brennan, the popular Warden of Bellevue, and who, from his long training in that institution, possesses all the elements to constitute @ first class Coroner, The Assembly candidates will be put in the fleld this week, when the regular work of the canvass for all offices will commence. THE SIXTH CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. Ex-Congressman Samuel 8, Vox has received the Tammany and liberal republicans nomination for the vacancy in the Sixth—the late Mr. Brooks’ district. The Apollo Hall people will endorse his nomination, and here both branches of the dem- ocratic partyemeet on common ground, insuring Mr. ‘Cox’s return to his old field of labor in the National Legislature. He is likely, however, to be opposed on the republican side by Mr, Julius Wads- worth, who willbe pat supported by his party, and who has many friends in the district, THE JOINT CONVENTION, Conferences, But no Conference with Foley. The Joint Convention of the Council of Political Reform and of the German Reform organizations, recently organized for the purpose of influencing the nominating conventions of the several politi- cal parties in the interest of the cause of reform, with a view of conferring with the diferent or- ganizations, to insure the nomtnation of canai- dates, who are best suited for the offices for which they are proposed, held another meeting last night, In the absence of Projessor Dwyght, Oswald Otten- dorfer, the Vice President, occupied the chair, Reports of the several conference committees were received, detailing that several oueiete and con- ferences on the subject have been held, but a reso- lution was passed not to reply to a communication that had been received from Jotun Foley’s reform organization, asking for a conference; and it was further resolved that no conierence. with him should be held. Resolutions introduced by Mr, Therber, of the Cheap Transpartation Association, declaring that the next Legislature should be composed of men who understand the commercial requirements of this city, and that a board of railway commission- ers should be provided by the Legislature, as in Massachusetts, was subjected to @ debate and finally ruled out of order, A resolution was passed that a financial committee should be appointed by the Chair, Whose names are to be announced m a few days. The object of the committee is to raise some $20,000 or $25,000 to be expended on the elec- tion, THE DEMOORATIO STATE OENTRAL OOM. MITTEE. AuBany, N, Y., Oct, 20, 1873, The Argus of to-morrow morning will contain the announcement that a meeting of the Demo- cratic State Central Committee will be held at the Delavan House in this city on Thursday after. noon, to consider important business connegted | With the qanmnaien, + t GREEN'S “SKILLED TALENT.” Fugacious and Fiery Foley to the Front. Dexter A. Hawkins and Nelson J. Wat- erbury Severely Denounced. The Reform Candidate for Sheriff Rises to Explain. No, 2 Astor Hovse. To the Hon. WitiaM F, HavVeMEyYeR, Mayor o1 the city of New York :— Deak Srk—Allow me to remind you of your promise made to the deputation who waited upon you on the 8th inst., and presented to you specific charges against the present Comptroiler, Andrew H.Green. It is due to this deputation, to the Public and to the accused that the promised action on your part should no longer be delayed, WILL GREEN ANSWER THE CHARGES? So far as known to the public the Comptroller has made no answer to the charges of which he stands accused. Instead of meeting these charges manfally, if he was in a position to do -so, he has assumed the part of the virtuous indignant; but the guise is too thin—it will not avail him. Of this, he himself has apparently some suspicion, for he has prevailed upon the two recipients of his bent- ficence, Mr. Dexter A. Hawkins and the Hon. Nelson J, Waterbury, each to address a communication upon the subjectto you. Our venerable and some- what antiquated ex-Mayor and Senator, Tiemann, has been alse prevailed upon to follow suit, The Comptroller may delude himself that these several communications have been accepted by tye public 8 an answer to the charges of which he stands ac- cused; but pray, sir, do not let such a delusion pre- vail with you. The statements in these various communications are all exparte; they all emanate from the same source, and they are tue product of that paid talent upon which the Comptroller is known so much to lean for support. DID TIEMANN WRITE THE LETTER? The statement to which Mr, Tiemann has an- nexed his name I scarcely believe was read by him betore doing so. This stateman sets forth that “holders ol corrupt demands against the city,” which “Tweed, Sweeny, Connolly and Hall had aided in fastening upon the community,” had pre- sented themselves in force at Albany, with an army ol lobbyists and lawyers, to rob the treasury that no device of ingenuity or perseverance was leit untried to saddie New York with the schemes of these conspirators, and that to oppose and defeat these schemes Mr. Tiemann urged upon the Comptroller, a8 a matter of public necessity, to send some one to Albany to aid him in the fignt, who could meet the array of counsel belore the committees and explain the measures necessary to protect the treasury; that it was in cousequence of this request that the vomptroller sent Mr. Hawkins, who, Mr. Tiemann asserts, did the duty persistently, taithiully and eflectually. If you, sir, will turn to the bill of items of Mr. Hawkins, 5 0u will find that that gentleman made his appearance at Albany (if Mr. Tiemann is to be be- lieved at his earnest solicitation) about the 26th of February, and continued trom that date till the close of the Legislature in the pay of the Comp- troller, at the rate of $100 per day besides his ex- penses, to be paid out of the city treasury. Will you request Mr. Tiemaun to inform you what bill or bills were beiore the Legislature when Mr. Hawkins thus appeared, at his request, on the scene at Albany, tue object or purpose of which was to fasten on the community a claim agaiust the city incurred under the ‘Tweed, Sweeny, Connolly and Hall administration,” which he (Mr, Tiemann) was Opp pang, as nefarious, but which was supported by an array of counsel? | under- take to pay to Mr. Tiemann $500 ior each counsel he can prove to have been af Albany supporting @ bill of the character he describes when Mr. Hawkins is sent by the Comptrolier to his as- sistance. Nay, more, I undertake further to pay to Mr. Tiemann a sum of $1,000 for each bill be can specity of the character described that was not at one stage or another of its progress supported y him in his place in the Senate. MR. DEXTER 4 HAWKINS, The most prominent of all such bills introduced during the session, judging trom Mr. Hawkins’ representations, was the Newspaper Claims bill. The amount invoived Mr. Hawkins states to be $1,600,0U0, Has Mr. ‘liemann forgotten that this bill ‘Was supported by him in the committee and that he rose in his place m the Senate, made a speech 1n its favor and voted for it upon its final passage? ae PE Oe WT We eT Se Ta In the knowledge of such facts, every one of which I shall prove out of the mouth of Mr. Tie- mann himself if the opportunity is given to place him upon the witness stand, I am justified in main- taining that the statements contained 1m his letter are unworthy of the slightest credit. The same I undertake to show as to the state- ments contained in the respective communications of Mr, Hawkins and the Hon. Mr. Waterbury. FOLEY ON HIS ACCENT. Ishall prove py every Senator present during the Legislature and by * * * tat the unquall- fied endorsement by Mr. Tiemann of the Comp- trolier and his counsel is, under the circumstances, exceedingly suspicious, But Mr. Tiemann has a strong motive in.thus upholding the Comptroller, ‘The latter nas been and is a sturdy friend to the Senator, and his iemnerty is displayed in a way which has a very practical effect. The public ought to know that in the opening of 127th stree@ and for the Riverside Park various lands belonging to Senator Tiemann were taken by the city. Upon these lands were situated Mr, ‘Tiemann’s factory and all the houses and buildings connected therewith, and also his dwelling house, or the greater part of it. While other claimants had to walt knocking at the treasury door senator Tie- mann found a ready entrance and was paid by his friend Comptroller Green the full amounts of his awards for the land taken and the buiidings there- on, These awards amounted to upwards of $100,000, which sums Mr. Tiemann received while he was Senator. Since this payment was made by the Comptroller, Mr. Tiemann has occupied his dwell- ing house, factory and buildings and the land ad- joining thereto rent free.. The Comptroller has not even asked him ior any rent and his name is not on the Comptrolier’s books as debtor to the cit; therefor. Mr. Tiemann is also relieved from all taxes upon this property. Certainly the Comp- troller 1s Mr. Tiemann’s friend, as he claims, bat this friendship has manifested itself upon both sides in @ manner which reflects credit upon neither, Others, whose duty required their attendance in the Senate Chamber, say that during the entire period the bill known as the New York Charter was beiore that body Mr. Haw- kins was in attendance morning, noon and night; that from beginning to the end of this attendance he had but one duty to perform, and that was to attend to the interest of the Comptroller, Mr. Green; that he advocated, lobbied for and persist- ently urged upon Senators the retention of Mr. Green in ofice, and did everything in his power to create @ prejudice against and to have the offices of Commissioner of Public Works aud Counsel to the Corporation declared vacant. HOW IT WAS LOBBIED. He schemed and lobbied for increased pow- ers in the charter to the Comptroller and dimin- ished powers to the Commissioners of Public Works. It was with this view that he, in conjunc-. tion with the Comptroller, prepared the resolution which Senator Tiemann introduced into the Senate requiring information as to the parties recom- mending the employés in the Department of Pub- lic Works, and also the various resolutions which Senator Tiemann also introduced calling upon the Comptrolier for information on those specific mat. ters which they considered reflected somewhat to his credit. Each and every day Hawkins was thus employed is embraced in the period for which he has charged and for which the Comptroller has paid him out of the city treasury $100 a day. The various matters before the Legislature, which Mr. Hawkins represents he attended to at the re- quest of the Comptroller, did not ‘occupy his time in Albany as many bours as he has charged days for. Several of those matters which he states that he promoted were opposed by no person and did not require the attendance of skilied talent to secure their passage; they could be attended to by any member of the Legisiature as success- fully as by Mr. Hawkins; but it admirably suited the purpose which the Comptroller and Mr. Hawkins had in view to connect the latter with those matters as a cover while he was performing the real work assigned to him of lobbying to retain the Comptroller in office at an expense to the city Me $100 a day in addition to his railroad and hotel TES HOW DO YOU FEEL, MR. WATERBURY ? 1 am not at present going to enter minutely tnto the legal question which those eminent lawyers, Mr. Hawkins and the Hon. Mr. Waterbury, have presented 1n their respective commanications for your consideration, Lach of those gentlemen were the. paid counsel of the Comptroller, and the least they could do was to write, when reques a favorable opinion upon the legal question gested by them. Thou & little experiencce in the charters of 1870 and 1873, The sections in each of those charters which the learned lawyers referred to have quoted refer to the “law business olthe Corporation,”’ Each section declares that the Law Department should have the charge and cohduct of this business. The section in the charter Of 1870 makes an exception in favor of “any de- partment which should nave or employ a separate counsel, and for whom there is an appropriation,” while the section in the charter of 1873 expressly prohibits any department from her tae | separate counsel, The question bc rt .these sections, in so far as i applies to the matter in hand, is what is covered by the words “law business of the Corporation.’ The two eminent representasiyes of skilled talent, Messrs, Hawkins and Waterbury, declare that law business of necessity includes lobbying at Albany as to all measures beiore the Legislature which affect the \ Ww York, Jahail venture to say that thera is not another lawyer in this city who has any re- gard for his reputation who would endorse this opmion of the Comptroller’s skilled jurists. You are not a lawyer, but I am sure that you are not prepared to adopt the opinion referred to as , that the charter, in addition to the onerous an numerous @uties which, taken in connection with the litigious action of the Comptrolier, it lumposes iy present head of the Law Depart holds him at the me time re- for all the legislation affecting e city manufactured at Albany. If Messrs. Hawkins and Waterbury are ‘to be relied upon such is the legal effect of the provision in the charter, @ conclusion which neither you nor any other ofiicial dare publicly advocate and Sup- ort, and if you cannot do so you condemn the fegal teaching of the skilled jurists referred to, aud in this condemnation you include the action of the Comptroller jn presuining to saddle upon the city, on the authority of such @ miserable subteriuge, the moneys he has paid into the pocke's of the lob- byists retained by him in his own Interest, The Hon. r, fiyferbury has evidently forgotten (but the ublic have not) the action which was taken in he House after the oi the charter and at the time his skili 6 Conveniently turned up in Al- bany, to have the office of Comptroller made elec- tive, and providing for a spring election to Mill the sam This action was the outgrowth of a strong lecling, Widely manifested, and which Mr, Water- jury 80 Beemutly experienced in his “two weeks’ sojourn at Albany.’ WHERE DO THE PUBLIC MONEYS GO? ‘This important matter in reference to tie action of the ae pcalier paying illegally moneys out of the public Treasury cannot be passed over upon such’ miserable productions as you have received from Messrs, Hawkins, Waterbury and Tiemann. The New York Times may delude itseli that Mr. Hawkins’ communication is a complete answer to the accusations; but this assurance, eminent as it ig, will not relieve you from acting in the matter. You have @ duty mien upon you under ‘our official oath, and no assurance of the imes will relieve you from pertorming it. Iam aware of the relutions which exist between you and the Comptroller. 1 am fuily intormed as to the influence which he has exercised in your adminis- tration, but those relations or this influence can- , not defeat the inquiry which is now demanded. Awaiting your early action, I am respectfully, &c., RewYous Oct. 10,160 SOhy FoLeY.” DEAD? OR NOT DEAD? The Kelsey Inquest Further Adjourned and the Tar Party Promising to Produce the .Live Original ---Where Will the End Bet + IS “CARTHALO” ALIVE IN CALIFORNIA? OysTER Bay, L. L., Oct. 20, 1873, ‘Yhe inquest in the Kelsey case was not resumed here to-day according to agreement, but instead thereof Coroner Baylis assembled the jurors in the ballroom of the Nassau Hotel, where the proceed- ings have been hitherto held, and treated them to chapter of “Great Expectations,” ana promised to raise the dickens with the case when he resumes it. He excluded the public from the room while this conference with the jury was in progress, but as 1t was raining heavily during the time he had not much of a crowd to keep out. Upon stating to the jury his intention of adjourn- {ng the proceedings to the end of the week he said he hoped to be able to close the matter and give it into their hands for a verdict the next time they met. Severalof the jurors expressed a desire to go on at once and finish up the matter, Coroner Baylis, however, explained to them that he was acting in good taith in the matter and hoped to put before them important and ENTIRELY NEW TESTIMONY on Friday next, to which time he adjourned the case, Afterwards Coroner Baylis informed me that he Would finish the case on Friday next, and that he expected to be able to produce five or six witnesses, that they would put an entirely new face on the whole matter, and that as soon as this testimony was in the public would find a swarm of twenty peo- ple all willing and anxious to give their testimony. It is generally inferred from this that some one means to turn State’s evidence, and that their evidence will frighten others who are involved into the desire to testify also. The Coroner says he expects to be able to do ali he has outlined, and will be very much disappointed if he fatis, In any event he will close the case on Friday. From all I can learn the evidence he expects to produce is that of a party in Philadelphia, whom he has communicated witi only by letter, and who may be hoaxing him, and very likely is doing 80, and the evidence of some party ox parties in New York as to the placing of the body of Kelsey in Cold Spring Harbor. Ihave no idea that when Friday comes and has passed away anything new will be shown, although I may be doing the Coro- ner great injustice in saying so. He appears to be conscientious in what he is doing; but he has little energy and no tact, A NEW Guost. The tar and feather party in Huntington seem to have raised a new ghost in the case lately. They assert now that Kelsey is alive, and will be pro- duced by them inside of three or four weeks at the turthest. It seems that something like twenty or twenty-five years ago George Kelsey, the oldest of the Kelsey brothers, went tv California and never returned. It was the general opinion, how- ever, that he was dead. Now it is as. serted in letters received from California that @ man, purporting and _ representing himself to be George Kelsey, 1s going the rounds inthe Gold State and especially in the haunts fre- quented by tne long absent brother. It is claimed by many that George Kelsey, who has thus singu- larly reappeared in California, is no other than Charles G. Kelsey, the tar and feather victim of last November. It will be recalled that Charles was thirty-eight years of age at the time of his dis- appearance, and might, possibly, as is claimed, be able to personate his brother through a strong facial resemblance to him, and to the fact that he is to a large extent familiar, through cor- respondence received years ago from George, with his various places of residence, his acquaintance and personal history in California. So far as ican understand, the tar or implicated party have put a detective ON THE TRAIL OF THIS CALIFORNIA KELSEY, and expect to show up the whole affair shortly. In the face of all this there exists the very re- markable contrasting fact that letters of adminis- tration were granted by Surrogate John R. Reed on Thursday, in favor of Henry F. Kelsey on the estate of his deceased brother Charles. Truly, Kelsey's is an extraordinary history, even to the fact that its most eventful portion is pos- thumous—a period when most people cease to have any history. An inquest is being held bere upon human remains supposed to be his, letters of ad- ministration have been issued on his estate, his brothers offer @ reward of $500 for his body, dead oralive; the town Board last Aprii offered $750 for him dead and $250 for him alive, which re- wards are still standing; and last week the Super- visors of Suffolk county authorized a reward of $1,000, cash, for evidence leading to the conviction of his murderers. # THE JEROME PARK HURDLE RACE. Letter from Mr. Bannatyne, the Owner of Bibakiba, New York, Oct, 19, 1873, To THe EpiToR OF Toe HERALD:— In your comments upon and report of the hurdle race run, upon Saturday, at Jerome Park, you do me, doubtless unwittingly, an injustice. Ido not question the decision of the stewards in expelling Murphy, the rider of Bibakiba, from the course. His orders were not to force the pace, but to lay behind from six to ten length—to be, if possibie, upon even terms with Lochiel and Revenge at the head of the stretch and torun home under whip and spur. When I bought Bibakiba he was a green colt that had never been in training and could not gallop properly. He has had only six weeks’ training, and ran his first race, @ steeple-chase, on last Wednesday. The hur- die race ought to have been run in about 3m. 20s. instead of 3m. ¥45s., and jt was because I expected it would be a very fast race, and doubted if Biba- .kiba had condition to stay the distance if run very fast, | gave Murphy orders to ride a waiting race. I have never started a horse without intending him to win if he could, and I never bet on races or have an interest in pools, Of course Murphy, after this, will neither train nor ride my horses. In the circumstances, it seems reasonable to ask ou to relieve me, publicly, from the false position have been placed i, bare: a en NEW YORK HERALD, TUESDAY, OCTOBER 21, 1873—TRIPLE SHEET STOKES THIRD TRIAL. Continuation of the Testimony for the Defence. More of the Thrice-Told Tales of Former Witnesses. THREE NEW WITNESSES EXAMINED. The Pistol Pocket in Fisk’s Pants. A HARD STORY ON THE HALL BOYS, Say What Stokes Did Not After the Shooting. Another Chapter on Fisk’s Character. SEVENTH DAY'S PROCEEDINGS. The beginning of the second week and: the seventh day of the Stokes trial witnessed the same large and eager crowd in attendance. The pris- oner, who was promptly brought into court at half-past ten o’clock yesterday morning, now that the testimony in his behalf has begun to develop the strong potnts of his defence, begins to weara much more hopeful look than in the early days of the trial. His father, mother and brother Horace were present as usual, but his sister, for the first time since the trial began, was absent. Tne jury took their seats in good season, but, notwithstand- ing their Sunday's respite, it is evident that they are beginning to tire of the wearying monotony of the scene. Judge Davis, if bored—as of course he must be—does not show it. As for Mr. Tremain, the leading counsel of Stokes, he looks as fresh and full of fight as when the trial began, as also do his assgciates, Mr. Dos Passos and Mr. Brainerd. The prosecuting counsel, Mr. Phelps, the District Attorney, and his assistant, Mr. Russell, taxed as their powers of endurance have been, show no signs of flagging, but entered on their yesterday’s work with all their accus- tomed earnest vigor. Most of the witnesses ex- amined yesterday were those who had given their testimony at the previous trial, and what they had to say of course was emphatically a “thrice-told tale.” A good deal of time was occupied reading the evidence of those examined heteofore, the evidence thus read having reference solely to the character of Colonel Fisk. During the day, however, three new witnesses were placed on the witness stand. One was Colonel Fisk’s tailor, who testified to putting a “pistol pocket’? in the pantaloons worn by Fisk when he was shot, in compliance with the latter's special orders. The other witness was Patrick Dolan, who testified to Redmond, one or the hall boys of the Grand Central Hotel, telling him that he and the two other hall boys were to be paid $1,000 each for their testimony. The third witness swore that he was close by Stokes irom the time the latter came down stairs, alter the shooting, till his arrest, and that he never made the remark attributed to him by witnesses for the prosecu- tion—that he had just come into the hotel and knew nothing about the shooting. Yesterday’s Proceedings. ‘The first witness called was Daniel P. Ingraham, Jr., son of Judge Ingraham. This gentleman testi- fied on both the previous trials and repeated, word for word, the same story as given on those occa- sions, He knew the accused intimately and met him at the saloon of Chamberlain & Dodge, on Broadway, near Amity street. He asked him to take a walk with him up town, but Stokes de- clined on the plea that ne had some business down town. Witness then left nim and took a stroil up Broadway; when at about Astor place he observed the carriage of Fisk coming down, and it passed him. Nothing of importance was elicited on nis cross-examination. TESTIMONY OF MR. COTTRELL: George W. Cottrell, a lawyer, who happened to be in the Hoffman House at twenty minutes after three on the same afternoon, testified to having overheard Stokes inquiring about the boat to Long ranch fer that evening; he spoke to Stokes, and the latter concluded he was toa late for the boat that day, and would telegraph; he saw Stokes take up @ blank despatch. . MORE ABOUT THAT RACING MATTER, David Smith, of No. 30 John street, on the day of the shoting recollected seeing the prisoner at Chamberlain & Dodge’s; he spoke to Stokes about @ horse race which had taken place and in which he was interested; Stokes was anxious to find a man named Ferris, and witness directed him where to go and find him. STOKES AND THE LADY AT THE WINDOW OF THE GRAND GENTRAL. Mr. George W. Bailey testified that he saw Stokes on the east side of “egret 4 near Amity street, and got out of a stage to join him; they walked on down; he talked to Stokes about his brother and jutting him in business; Stokes told him he was jooking tor Ferris, and asked if he knew where he could pe found; Stokes said he was going to Niblo’s to get tickets; they walked on, and assing the Grand Central Stokes touched fis hat and said something about a- lady that he wanted to see; they walked on—Stokes inviting him togo in—to the corner, and then walked back till opposite the door, when Stokes took hold of his coat and again asked him to come over, saying he would not keep him more than a minute; Stokes ran over, and witness walked up, crossed over at Amity street, and a few minutes later met Horace Stokes and turned pack with him, when they reached the hotel and discovered the shooting; they went to the station house, where witness was denied access to Stokes; a few minutes later Redmond was brought in, looking very excited; Redmond told him he knew Very little about the shooting; he thought there were three or four shots, but when the first shot was fired he was scare and jumped through the door; the boy appealed to him whether he wouldn’t have done the same. Mr. Bailey was examined at some length as to the reason why, when his direct route home was by Twenty-third streepand he had gone up there, he returned down Broadway, but he had no special reason to give; he did not remember very clearly whether, when he met Stokes, the latter was standing or moving slowly on. To the last ques- tion he smilingly replied, however, that Stokes was no Broadway statue. ARRIVAL OF COLONEL FISK’S CARRIAGE. » Robert S. Stobo, No. 53 Maiden lane, testified that ‘a few minutes betore the shooting he was nearly in iront of the Grand Central Hotel, at the west side, and saw the prisoner and Mr. Bailey walking to- gether at the east side, and notjced the prisoner saluting some one at the hotel, and crossing the street immediately after; Stokes then entered the hotel, and in about four minutes alter, Fisk’s car- Tiage came down; the* street was very full of car- Tiages, and Fisk's carriage came aiong slowly. In his opinion, Fisk's carriagg must have been about five blocks off when Stokes entered the hotel. On cross-examination the witness was asked whether, during the time he and Stokes were mem- bers of the Eclectic Club together, Stokes was known as a gymnast? He replied that he knew very little about him, having only attended the club three times altogether. ALY TOO QUICK FOR ME. John More, connected with the carriage depart- ment of the Grand Central, was the next witness. He testified that he was standing at the large lamp in front of the hotel when Fisk’s carriage drove up and he got out; about ten seconds alter Fisk had entered he heard a sort of dum sound, and next Redmond came out in an excited state and shouted that Fisk was shot; witness then went in and saw Fisk leaning on the bannisters on the left nand side, Wit- ness explained his meaning on the diagram atter which he said he put his Iyind on his shoulder and asked if he was hurt; Fisk did not reply at first, but apon being asked a second time made the remark, ‘‘He was a little too quick for me this time.’ Witness helped him up and left him on the parlor floor; subsequent to this, witness saw the boy Redmond and asked him what he saw of the occurrence, and he replied that he had seen none of it. To the District Attorney—I have not received a cent out of this case. A SURVEYOR ON THE STAND, John Crofton, surveyor, gave measurements of distances on the second floor of the hotel and on the private stairs, At the conciusion of Crafton’s evidence the Court took a recess. COLONEL FISK’S TAILOR, On the reassembling of the Court the first wit- ness called was James W. Beil, a new witness, who gave his vocation as that of “artist tatior.” He testified that he made for Fisk the pants he wore on the morning of the homicide; he jo testified that he never made pa pockets unless they were ordered; that Fisk always personally ordered his clothes, and that the pants now produced have @ pistol pocket. On cross-examination witness said he identified the trowsers as iis work by lis name on them and by certain peculiarities; not one in six of his cus- tomers order such pockets, and he does not have such pockets himseil. ANOTHER NEW AND DECIDEDLY ORIGINAL WITNESS. Patuick Loran. also 4 new Witness, Was Dost 2 called to the stand. He testified Court officer at the first trial ot stokees toe ah J. day the two Harts and Redmond, the vants, were taven to Court, but not examined; he took of Redmond on the back to th louse of Detention; Redmor said, “I’m glad I wasn’t put on the stand to-day, or would be puzzled; “How is that?) sald witness, “Because,” mond, “I didn’t study what I have to say; I didn’t read it; witness asked whether he meant that he had his testimony written down ? and Red- mond said “Yes; witness asked him whether he wrote it himself, and he replied “No, but it was written for them,’ and the two Harts also had copies, and that Thomas Hart was smarter than “Patchy” Hart, and had his copy so well com- mitted to memory that if he repeated ita hundred times he would not miss a word; “I suppose, ? said witness to him, “youare well treated ?? Redmond answered that at first they were treated LY; but Mr, Powers, proprietor of the hotel, ordered, them a separate table, and they were well treated since; witness asked whether they were to be paid for their trouble, and Redmond said they were to get $1,000 each; “1 then pondered,” said witness, wre Lought to pursue the conversation fur- “You what?” asked Mr. Phelps. Witness—I pondered, but I concluded to get all the information I could. The witness went on to relate, amid roars of laughter, how next day he was in ‘charge of Red- mond, going back to tne House of Detention alter Redmond had been sworn. OfMcer O’Don- nell had charge of the Harts, It appeared * that they called into numerous drinking saloons, 86 every one of which the witness objected, but they all insisted. The conversation during the drinks was very ludicrous. At last they came to one drinking place; drinks were proposed; “I ob- eae said witness, but it was no use; while all ands were drinking, Redmond asked, “How do you like my testimony?’ Witness said he got on a well. “Oh,” said Redmond, “I studied it we! Mr, Tremain asked the witness whether he drank anything. To which he replied that he has been a temperance man for twenty years and drinks nothing but soda water and sarsaparilla, >. The witness then related how on the way to the House of Detention Thomas Hart told him he ex- Fee besides the $1,000 from Mr. Powers, Mrs. ‘isk would pay him. Cross-examined by District Attorney Phelps— Did you communicate this to any one? A. Yes, to John McKeon, but though he is one of the keenest lawyers in New York, he failed to take the hint. Q Any one else? A. Yes, to Mr. Desbrosses. (Roars ‘of laughter—the witness meant Dos Pas- 508,) When did you reduce it to writing? A. The Q. 4th of this month, Q. From whaty A. From the tablets of my A memory. Q. From the tablets? Let us hear it again. Oh, I will look you straight in the face and answer. In January, 1872, I was an officer in the Court of Oyer and Terminer and had charge of Connolly to Ludlow Street Jail. “What Connolly,” asked Mr. Phelps, “Richard B, Connolly, sir.” (Laughter.) “This was When you Were a deputy sheriff?” “Yea, sir.” . “What were you before that ?? “A policeman.” “and you were discharged from the police, were rou not? f “Yes, I was; and I regard it as one of the proudest laurels of my lite, for | saved an old and sick man’s life from a brutal policeman.” “Were you not discharged because you refused to do your duty?” “Mr. District, 1 want to explain it to you, sir.’? ver mind,” said Mr. Phelps. ‘ou shall have a chance to explain by and by,” interrupted Mr. Tremain. “All right, sir,’? exclaimed the witness, and then, in answer to further interrogations put by the District Attorney, he went on to state how he told a Mr. Conroy what the Redmond boy had told him; how a gentleman called on him and asked him to go to the Coleman House and see Mr. Dow Passos, which he did, and at the same time saw Mr. Brainard; how he told them the story; how he afterwards met Mr. Conroy and rebuked him for telling him what he had told him, “Why,” asked the District Attorney in this con- nection, “did you not tell this at the other trial.” “Idid not want to be mixed up in the case” answered the witness, “but I should have made my conscience all right in the matter.” “How 80?” “Before I would have let Stokes be hung, I should have gone to Albany and called on Governor Dix and told him to swear me, and then I should have told the whole story.” “What is your business now?” asked the District Attorney. “Selling boots and shoes.’? . ny did you give up your place as court omMicer?”” “Because Comptroller Green wouldn’t pay me anything; and I guess if tne Comptroller did not pay you anything, you would give up your place too.” (Laughter.) Witness, having got;the best, as he thought, of the District Attorney, Was again taken in hand by Mr. Tremain. He explained all about his dis- charge from the police. It was on July 12, the day of the riots; he was no coward; he had his club tn his hand anid stood ready ifhe saw any breaking the peace to break nis club on his head, whether the peace-breaker was an Irishman, a German, @ Frenchman or an Italian; he saw drunkes policeman beating an old man standing at the en- trance of a dispensary and he wrenched the club from the officer’s hands; a sergeant who on that day never said, “Foliow me,” but kept in the van, preferred charges against him and he was dis- charged. WHAT STOKES DID NOT SAY AFTER THE SHOOTING. A third new witness was next called—Mr, Milton D. Bligh, of Rome, Oneida county. He testified that, just before the shooting, he entered tne Grand Central, and, atter registering nis name, stepped to the foot of the stairs, waiting for @ porter to take mis baggage up to his room, He did not hear any shot, but as he stood there a man, who afterwards proved to be Stokes, came down the stairs; he had a wild look and appeared excited, and came hurrying down the steps; some one at the head of the stairs cried out, “Stop that man!’’ He kept his eyes on Stokes up to the moment of his arrest, and was within a few feet of him all the time. Q. Did you hear Stokes say, “I know nothing of the shooting—I just came into the hotel.” A, No, sir; he said nothing of the kind; I should have heard him if he did, The cross-examination of this witness developed no new fact. THE CHARACTER OF FISK. After the close of the last witness’ examination Mr. Brainerd read the evidence of various wit- nesses at the previous trials as to the character of Fisk. The evidence read was that of Nathan Groesbeck, Andrew S. Divine, Joseph H. Ramsay, Commodore Vanderbilt and Horace F. Clark. There were also read portions of the testimony at the Coroner's inquest of the hall boys, Redmond and Thomas Hart. This occapied the time of the Court till five minutes to five o’clock, when an adjourn. ment took place till the usual hour this morning. THE WOMAN WITNESS IN STOKES? CASE. —_-+—__—— Some Facts About the Family of Mil- dred Benton, Alias Shotwell. {From the Maysville (Ky.) Republican.] Mr. Caleb White, the father of Mildred Benton, the mysterious witness in the Stokes case, now an object of much curious interest throughout the United States, was for many years a citizen of Maysville, and will be remembered by many of our old inhabitants. He was the son of old Jacob White, who for many years prosecuted a suit against the city of Cincinnati for a large portion ot the property in front of said city, known as the City Grade, and in which suit he was successful in the lower courts. After this recovery he was thought to be very rich; but the case being taken to the United States Supreme Court was reversed, and the indefatigable old litigant lost a fortune which for @ time he thonght almost within his grasp, and died some years afterwards, in reduced circumstances, It was while this suit was pending, and the son, Caleb, was thought to be the heir of a large fortune that he married .the beautiful Miss Catlett, con- nected with some of the best Virginia families, and who is the motuer of the famous Mrs, Benton. Mr. Caleb White, the father of Mildred, employed himself chiefly, while residing in this place, in Bee claims against the government for revoiutionary and other pensions, In this, tor some time he was quite successful. While he was a man of great vanity and pretensions, he had many estimable qualities, and ranked asa good citizen. He was for some time a member of the City Council, and took great pride tn a faithiul dis- charge of tus public duties. Among his peculiari- ties was & ropensity for the use of big words, without much regard to their aan or relations. An instance of his morbid fondness for display in this respect may be here given, While Bridge street was in course of improvement he was appointed chairman of the committee having the work in charge. He felt ove of his position and took much interest in he job as it progressed, and superintended it with fidelity. At one of the regular meetings of the Cound, at which the late General Richard Collins was presiding, Mr. Frank McClanahan, a member from the First ward, having a keen relish for any- thing ludicrous and full of dry humor, thought to relieve the tedium of a dull session by drawing Mr. White to the floor tor @ speech. Accordingly he arose, and, addressing the President, said:— “Ma, Puesipent, the Council would be glad to hear trom the chairman of the committee upon ‘Bridge street. as to the progress ot that improvement.” General Collins, the President, who knew the fondness of White for display, and catching in- stantly the purpose of Mr. McClanahan, biandly remarked that “the Council would no doubt be much gratified to hear from the indefatigable and faithful, chairman of the committee on Bridge street.’ Whereupon Mr. White rose with great di ty and, ravine. himself to his loftiest height, ai dressed the Chair in the following brief but grand. Joquent manue! Mr, Presipest=I am pappy Inform the honorable i the work on Brid, gentleman from the First wa: street Is progressing annually—every day some—under in @ few days. my supervision, and will be dom What Mr. McClanahan had designed was accom. [pap oe the erve ge Bh a were convulsed by a roar of laughter, in which the usually dignified President boisterously participated, %