The New York Herald Newspaper, August 22, 1873, Page 5

*“CESARISM. ‘A Western Editor Gives His Opinion, ‘THE PRESS AND THE PEOPLE T00 POWERFUL Monopolists the Great Dan- .° geor—Sherman a Would-Be Cesar, but Sheridan a True Soldier. ‘Mr. Joseph B. McCullagh, editor of the St. Louis Democrat, o powerful administration organ, and ‘Well known in the West and at Washington during former years a8 & newspaper correspondent, under ‘the nom de plume of “Mack,” is now stopping at the Astor House on his way home from Saratoga. 4& HERALD reporter sent hiscard to room 108, ‘and Mr. McCullagh at once sent word back by the » Waiter to show the Visitor up. ‘Mack’ is a small- closely-built gentleman, with a clean-shaven "" blonde complexion and the general appear- ance of a dean in holy orders or a missionary - bishop. Alter the reporter had taken a seat the conversation at once began. Rerorter—Mr. McCullagh, I came here to have a talk with you in regard to the possibilities of Onsarism, os 4 THE ROOTS OF CAESARISM. 1 T presume you have seen the HERALD articles on ‘the subject and the interviews with leading editors i ‘ana prominent citizens ? |’ Mr. McCuLLAaH—Yes, and I have noticed that the HzRa.p’s editorials have generally been more correct in their ideas than the interviews and letters of correspondence on the subject. The great mistake seems to le in assuming that _ General Grant wants to become Cwsar. Buckle, in * his “History of Civilization,” has the correct idea, Ithink, Neither Cesar nor Napoleon would have been able to destroy the liberties of the Roman or French nation had it not been for the fact that Public opinion in Italy and in France permitted— | May, demandefi—the elevation of a Cesar. Whether the public mind in this country is ready for Cwsarism yet remains to be seen. I don’t think / Mat it isin Grant’s mind or will personally to be- e & modern Cresar; but there are a great many men who want a third term and have a desire for a strong government. Grant has shown great ability in not doing things; he has let matters go along and taken them as they came.’ His administration, without having any very warm admirers or many special Points for admiration, has been, in the main, suc- cessful. Grant has suffered a good deal from fat- terers, who have told him that he is a second Wash- | ington; but he never believed it, and perhaps he | Would rather be a first Grant than a second Wash- “ington. “WHAT DO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WANT?” REPORTER—Do you believe there is any considera- ble number of the American people who desire a Cwsar? Mr. McOvLLaGH—T think there is, and I will give ‘one illustration, The railroad intérests of the West are afraid of the people. The Farmer’s granges have frightened them into a fear of Vommunism and made them believe that the government 1s not Strong enough, Every dollar of railroad stock in the States where granges exist represents the idea of its owners that the government is too weak, and Ss capitalists love their money better than their country or its institutions they look for somebody Mnat wil lay a strong hand on the people ana give them security that their property shall not be de- stroyed. This may mean empire or it may mean’ | Monarchy; but it means a stronger government than at present exists. I know a man who repre- sents several millions of dollars in two of the ‘wealthicst railroad corporations of the West, which are worth in the agarexate $50,000,000, and he says that every dollar in both of these companies is favor of what he calls “a strong government.” I once asked this gentleman what he meant by “a strong government’ and he replied, down the Com. : granges of ”) ols and the A’ meeting of Western oad magnates was held in New York city some time so. ¥d vo arrange the time-tables and tarifs. After those present had transacted their efficial business the subject of the farmers’ movement in the West was injormally discussed, and it was gen- erally ed that the people of the different States would prove ical to railroad property and that the railroads must look to the general government for protection. ‘ RaerorTeR—What action do you think the office- holders woula take were an attempt made to con- fer the purple upon Grant? THE RAILROAD CONSPIRATOR KINGS. Mr. McOuLLacH—I think the HERALD makes a mistake in attributing paramount intluence’to the office-holders in controlling American politics. I |) can name a single railroad that can control more vetes in the West and “set uj)? more conventions than any oOffice-holder west of the Alleghanies. Grant’s administration is not strong in its office- Rolders—in fact, its office-holders are, as a class, weak men. His Cabinet, with the exception of Senator Delano, is made up of men without political influence at their homes oreleewhere. They are all good men, but Delano is the only politician mong them. A railroad 100 miles long, running through any of the Western States, can bring to bear more influence in a State Convention than any Member of General Grant's Cabinet. INFLUENCE IN GETTING VOTES. REPorTER—W hat foundation have you for making this statement? Mr. MCCULLAGH—Why, because they spend more money and have more men in their employment, and they will use the money if necessary to protect themselves and their property. Take, for instance, the Ripe ee Alton Railroad, running from St. ,, Louis to Chicago in the best part of Mlinois, with ’ perhaps filty stations between these two points and employing a number of men vastly greater than allthe postmasters and revenue agents in Milinois, if not in the West. RePORTER—Do those men believe that the pro- tection of their property involves the destruction of American liberty Mr. McCuLLacH—They believe that any form of ypular government which allows farmers’ granges iS elect judges and State officers is not strong wh to. protect them in their rights, and they demand any form of government which will secure their dividends and Keep their stocks at par. REPORTER—Is there any other class of capitalists F q Whose moneyed interests would urge it to seek to aid in a subversion of the Republic Mr. MOCULLAGH (very cautiously) —I do not know that railroad men, or any other class of capitalists, desire the subversion of the Republic; but govera- ment bondholders must naturally be as timid on ‘his subject as the railroad stockholders, both classes living on incomes derived from invest- ments, and what affects the one will affect the other. When the railroad stockholders get scared the government bondholders will take the alarm end both will unite in the common cause. “GO WEST FOR NEWS.” REPorTER—Do you understand the interests of ,, the railroad stockholders and those of the far- b ranges to be undeniably in a lcCULLAGH—Whether rightfully or wrong- it 18 so understood by the farmers of the ‘West, and during the past year a feeling of hostility to railroads has als up in the States west of Indiana which needs only a first class leader to fan it into positive ession. A man cannot be elected constable the State of Illinois to-aay without first proving that he does not own a dollar of stock in @ railroad of any kind and that ho ts not im the employment of a railroad company; and if the present spirit prevails until next Fall lected west of Indiana, exclud: will have to pledge himself in ad- the 44 okay cppealuon against the great failroad in- “THE LORDS AND COMMONS,” REPORTER—If this be so, Mr. McCullagh, of what + interest would it then be for the railroad men to al to the general government ? a McCULLaGH—Because their idea of ‘a strong government” means a permanent President and 1 janent Senate. They want the Crown and the louse of Lords, and they don’t care what is done in the House ¥ Semmes, REPORTER—Yo0u have spoken abont the feeling 11 the West, and now I wish to ails if you ryt think that there ts a ground-swell of Casarism in the Eastern States ? Mr. McOULLAGH—OCmsarism in the Eastern States comes in the main from @ number of wealthy shod- dyites, and is in opposition to what is known as “eight-hour movement,” which manifests itself in repeated strikes and demands for higher wages for ineghanical labor. “NO BIGGER THAN A MAN'S ITAND,? During the session of the Philadeiphia Conven- tion I happened to be a one afternoon with a friend—a noted politician of the West—in front ofa len fron foundry in Philadelphia at a timt when the men were going home irom work. We had been talking on this very same subjecet More than one hundred mechanics with their tin dinner buckets filed by ys, and I gaid to tay friend, ‘There is the source of future trouble for this country. When these men begin to think that they are working for twenty-five dellars a week, while their ‘boss,’ Who was ne better than ‘they teD years ago, because he has been able to . oe palate. the politicians, ia making $50,000 a 5 ear, theD benny i become uneasy, and the col Hict between the ‘boss’ and the mechante becomes qnevitable.”” You will see that in the Kast, as well as in the Wes}, the struggle Is between capital and NEW YORK HERALD. FRIDAY, AUGUST 22, 1873—TRIPLE SHEET. Yapor. Capital is always looking for and ii cam uly find Ir under whate Cwesarism. REPORTaR—You remarked that when the farmers’ found a leader enough the confiict she raulroad capitalists, begin between them and t Does such a leader exist? . McCULLAGH—I think capital will be the ag- gressor and ‘that the grangere will wait to assume L; Sena ve I name twenty leaders in the rotection, calls john A. Logan would more likely to come vo the front in’an emergency. WILL LOGAN BB A BRUTUS ? RgrorreR—Is General McClernand still alive ? Mr. MCCULLAGH—Yes, he is alive and strugglin; for political honor, but in a contest like the o: referred to the people would need a leader man factured on a acale of more inches to the mile than McCiernand, They weuld demand some man who represented victory and enthusiasm in the last war, and they would follow Logan, because in a battle he always put his hat on the point of his sword and told the boys to ‘come on,” instead of inna Seem to “goon,” as most of the other gen- erals RTER—Row does Logan, stand in regard to REPO: Cwesarism and the grangers’ movement ? Mr. MOCULLAGH—I have not seen Logan since the contest began, but I know enough of him to say that he will be epposed to Cmsarism unless he can play. Cesar, He is not in love with Grant, he dis- pie paula ed and he hatea Sherman with a cordial REVORTER—How do Sherman and Sheridan stand on the question of Casarism * SHERMAN’S HATRED OF FREE SPEECH. Mr. McCuLLagu—As to Sherman, I only know his generai views, often expressed and never con- cealed, that a military government is the only pos- rible one of long duration. I have heard him sayin Washington, for stance, that newspapers had no Tight to discuss any question of general politics and that there should be a censorship of the press, under which no article should appear in any news- Ra r until it had been approved at headquarters. ‘nis Was aiter the war and under tne administra- tion of Andrew Johnson, A number of gentlemen, were discussing the financial policy—whether the issue of greenbacks should be enlarged or con- tracted. The New York papers had arrived that evening in Was! mn, having different views on the subject. General Sherman, replying to a num- ber of suggestions, said that ‘newspapers had no right to express any opinion on the subject, and that the men who wrote for newspapers knew nothing of what they talked about. Congresamen were elected to determine upon the question, and that the d—d bohemian interlopers shduld be sup- pressed by 1aw or force.” : ABE SHERMAN AND GRANT FRIENDS ? REroRTER—Are the President and General Sher- man on friendly terms’ Mr. MoCuLLagu—I do not think they are on terms of more than formal friemdship, and have not been since General Rollins, as Secretary of War, rejused to allow General Sherman to run the War Department. Sherman is essentially an egotist, and believes himself to be the hero of the rebellion, while every friend of General Grant knows that it took all his military genius to cover up Sherman’s blunders. There was some family trouble between Sherman and Fred Grant on the visit to Europe together, which resulted in the latter parting com- pany with the former before the journey was half over, and the two great generals have never been on terms of cordial intimacy since, I suppose you know that Mrs. Grant had to e? to Sheridan to get a staif appointment for Fred. Jt would have looked better nad Sherman given the appointment un- asked; but I am doubtfal if General Sherman would sae granted that 1avor to the wife of the Presi- lent. REPORTER—Do you think Sherman would like to enact the Ove of Cxsar himself? Mr. McCULLAGH—I think he would; but he would have no chance unless after a long struggle, in which he would come out head of the army, It not likely for the reason that should along sti le ensue between this country and the people Sher- man would not be at the head of the aay In fact, Sherman without Grant’s backing would play a small part in any revolution. REPORTER—What part would Sheridan take in conflict for empire? Mr. McoCULLAGH—Sheridan would support the powers that be. He would obey every ones given to him and would do his best for those who beld authority to direct him. Sheridan hag no political ambition and would be only desirous to make the best showing for the torce under his command. He is a mere soldier and nothing else, believing in the power of the sword and the virtue of blood and iron, REPORTER—What would the rank and file of the army do if the time was auspicious for a Cesar to seize the government ? Mr. McCULLAGH—'lhe rank and file of tne regular army would obey orders; but a man going through two counties of the State of Iinois with an old battle flag and a fife and drum would, im twenty-four hours, recruit men enough to sweep West Point and the regular army out of existence. Logan, with the battie flags of Fort Donaldson, would have an army large enough to demand the unconditional surren- der of the Army Register and everything else be- longing to Caesar. REPoRTER—Do you think that any large number of the efficers of highrank in the regular have ever deliberately considered this project of assist- ing the Executive to the geat of Caesar? CAESAR’S PRETORIAN BAND. Mr. McCULLAGH—The regular army seldom thinks of anything beyond the pay and rations which it draws. In the event of @ struggle its officers would obey orders from their Commander-in-Chiet of the army; bat the diMficulty would be to obtain recruits. The fighting torce of the regular army 1s very small, and for every man who enlisted for Cesarism a hundred woulc enlist under the sym- bol of @ republican people and to save their threatened liberties, so that the reguiar army would not amount toa dropin the bucket. There is not a county in any State west of the Allegha- nies that could not furnish good fighting men enough to whip the regular army out of its boots, * “4 MILLION FOR A DUKEDOM.”? REPORTER—Do you think there is any large ele- ment in society, East or West, in favor ofa monarchy or desirous of acquiring titles? Mr. MoCULLAGH—I think there is a small element, large in its moneyed influence, and principally con- fined to the East, in favor of a strong government, with power to conier tities of nobility. - REPORTER—Can you give any satisiactory reason for that belief? Mr. McCULLaGH—I have no specific foundation, and nothing but my own reasoning from afew facts. I reason from one well-known fact, that nine-tentns of the young women o1 wealth who go abroad from America and whose fathers have ac- quired large wealth, in an honest or a doubtfut way, embrace the first Ng pode to marry an empty ttle, and many of them would rather be the wife of a bankrupt Count in France or Italy, or in some petty German State, than to have some honest American merchant or business man for a husband. Of course,I preciude all possibility of them: marrying a mechanic. We need not go abroad for this spirit, for we can find it at any fash- fonable watering place in America to-day. I was 5 standing in the ballroom of one of the Most fashionable hotels at Saratoga a few evenings’ since; I held a copy of the HERALD in hand, and had just been pondering upon one of its articles upon Cwsarism. There were several hundreds of what would be called the sweetest and prettiest of American girls present. 1 touched a friend on the shoulder and said to him, “What a_ splendid chance there would be here to auction off titles of nobility among all these silks and diamonds and periumes |!’ ¥“& SHODDY EMPIRE AND A PETROLEUM CAESAR.’’ 1 asked him what he thought ‘‘adukedom would -bring,” and he answered, pointing toa fat old army contractor, whose daughter stood near with about $20,000 worth of jewelry aie her person, “That damned fool would gtve a million for a duke- dom,"’ and, on @ careful survey of the @eld, we concluded that an empire could start there and then with a cash capital of $100,000,000, the under- standing being that nota cent of revenue should accrue to the holders of the titles for the purchase money. “po YOU SEB THAT STONE WALL? THAT WALL IS FREE PRESS.” REPorTER—What course do you suppose the American press would take in case Cesarism was attempted in a practical fashion ? Mr. MCCULLAGH—All of that portion of the press that cannot be Cf rac by military power will take the side of the people against Cesarism. But it is dificult to say What the provost marshals may be abie todo. If aah can repeat the programme il muzzle every newspaper or in the land who does not endorse Caxsarism. ReporTrR—In the event of such a struggle which would win finally, the press and the people united or the military chieftains ? Mr. McCULLAGH—The press and the people will beat all the forces that can be brought against them, and united they wil! killlforty-nine out of the fifty men who may have the ambition to enact the role of Cesar. It is an interesting rdle, 1 know, to play that of Cesar; but the press and the people will Kill the would-be Owsars not only mo: but physically. Assassination will be put at a pre- mium and the man who kills the largest number of Cesars will fill the niche of the greatest hero in American history. PRESS OPINIONS. [From the St. John (N. B.) Tribune, August 18.) The New York HERALD is provoking the derision of the crowd and exciting the serious attention of many thoughtfal people by discussing the prospects and possibilities of @ despotism in the United States, The rapidity with which authority has been centralized, the ease with which the constitution has been warped or changed to suit the emergen- cies that rendered a strong government necessary, and the suspicion that Generai Grant is to be placed in office for a third term, bave rendered this discussion possible. The very fact that such a | Subject will bear discussion is one of great aignif- icance. It1s, at least, as sensible as the discussion of the prospect of the establishment of @ republic in Great Britain or the annexation of Canada to the United States, The HERALD should not be ridiculed by these who gravely discuss either of these sub- jects. In the United States there ts a cravin, Utular distinctiens hardly surpassed in Ge ‘a This feeling weuld weicome a title-conferring raler. Wealth is concentrating itself daily, ana a com- paratively small number of men how contro! a Gyo of the active wealth of the country, Id World customs and social distinctions, are rapidly supplanting republicag simplicity. Is it snaicror then, to discuss the possibility of change in the machinery of government analogous to the change in the usages of society? We don’t believe it ae to turn the Repul into a des- pete: in this generation, nor do we belleve that neral Grant would consent to be the despot. We don’t believe that his elevation to office for a third term would make him desirous of overthrowing the Republic. but that there is a feeling in favor of monarchy and that there is a wi read ead lem- ference on the subject the HERALD has c! d by nses its articles have evoked = pe Myre ee eker viewers “ohne ni ‘might expected, fee! favor of @ change is asrongent, na [From the St. Paul’s Dispatch, August 16.) A good muny papers are affecting to scorn and ridicule the recent series of articles in the New York HERALD upon Cesarism, but it is noticeable that all of these, without an exception, are either edited by office-holders or by violent parusans. The idea of Cxsarism ts simply an old idea under anew guise. It is exactly the tendency which the wisest patriots of the country have foreseen and been pre- dicting for three years or more. The Cincinnati Convention was an outgrowth ofthe popular feel- ing that the teudency was towarés centralization and finally usurpation, The disastrous defeat of that movement was a grea! stride towards des- Potism, and the people who rent the air with shouts over their political victory were rejoicing over their own prospective bondage. The work of centralization has been and still is steadily progressing. It ig but a few days since it was officially announced that the Postmaster Gen- eral had agents abroad collecting statements to be used tn again pressing the subject of postal tele-+ graphy. lt seems scarcely possible that so gigan- tica stepas the government taking hold of the telegraph lines of the country can be accomplished, but when we see what has been done there is no apparent limit to be fixed. An administration wielding the immense patronage of the country and directing it to a single object can force almost any measure through Congress. ‘he consolidation of wealthy and gigantic rail- road corporations, the immense capital concen- trated in national banks and the wealth of the country generally are tending to centralization (with its legitimate fruit—usurpation) upon the theory that a more fixed form of government than one which is liable to be changed every four years will give a mure stable value to property. Itis idle to say there is no danger from these sources, It was the money of these corporations and the plunder taken from the national Treasury which gave Grant his second term, and which can ive him a third. Ifan army of telegraph men can e added to the army. of other officials, and a sys- tem of espionage established over tel: hic mat- ter, a3 there now is over the mails, the people will be well nigh bound, hand and foot, The Seces still have the remedy in their hands if they will use 1t betere it is too late, The post- masters and partisans cry ‘Fudge !” and belittle the matter. They have thus far been remarkably suc- cessful in hoodwinking the public. They will leave no effort untried to continue their success, We are not sanguine of their defeat, and this is the alarming feature. The independent preas of the country can do mucn to avert Cesarism, and having dom what they can, if the people, desire to transform the Sphinx of the White House into a Cwsar the blood will be upon their own heads, IMPROVING THE WATER FRONT, The New Piers of the Pennsylvania Railroad Company—An Bxample Worth Copying. Two splendid new plers are now approaching completion on the sites of the old rickety wharves | formerly designated piers Nos. 4and 5 North River. The new piers are for the occupancy of the Penn- sylvania Railroad Kast Freight line, and built in Tshape, the top of the letter adjoining the road- way of West street. That part which is parallel with the street is 454 feet in length by 178 feet in width, The piers are eighty feet wide and each 600 feet in lengto. The piles are of oak and spruce, the timbers of the very best white Susquehanna pine and the planking of three-inch yellow pine, over-covered with two-inch spruce planking. The whole will be surmounted ya handsome shed with fine ornamental front. This roof will be slanting and twenty feet high from the pier to the eaves. The whole structure covers an area of five acres of dock room. The company have caused them to be bullt as they found their present pier accommodations insufii- cient for their increasing business. The pier will cost upwards of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and the entire structure $400,000. Messrs. Bernard Kelly & Son are the contractors, and are under bonds to have these noble whafves com- pleted by September 15. This erecting of new and handsome docks to sup- ply the place of the miserable, worm-eaten, rickety piers which disi the water front of this city is & move in the right direction. COMMISSIONER VAN NORT ‘COURTING,” The courts of justice seem to be the refuge or everybody who wants a slice of public pap or pub- lic plunder. Yesterday Commissioner Van Nort was served with an order, issued by the Supreme Court, requiring bim to show cause on the first Monday in September why a writ of peremptory mandamus should not issue compelling him to pay for 5,750 Navarro patent water meters, at the rate of $70 each. The bill is over four hundred thousand dollars. The Commissioner refuses to acknowledge the claim specifically, because the contract was not made in good faith, and generally because the whole aifur is the next thing toa fraud. He will fight it through. THE DOCK COMMISSIONERS. The weekly meeting of the Board took place yes- terday afternoon at two o'clock. There were present Commissioners Westerveit and Budd, It was re- solved, at the request of Commissioner Van Nort, of the Board of Public Works, that the pier and bulk- head at Twenty-fourth and Twenty-filtn streets, East River, be repaired for the use of the Commis- sion. Also that the pier foot of Twenty-sixth street, East River, and dumping ground foot of Laight street, North River, be repaired. Also that logs interfering with shipping be removed’ from pier 37, Fast River, Also permitting Marsh, White & Co. to drive piles at pier 62, East River. Also permit- ting Joseph H, Goiding toerect a fi and one-and- a-half story boathouse at 12Ist street, Harlem River. Several reports were received from super- intendents, but were unimportant. The Board then adjourned. THE PARK COMMISSIONERS, Another Meeting Yesterday and Discus- sion as to Appointment of President No Conclusion—Centract Awards. The Park Commissioners met at half-past three yesterday afternoon and ramained in session until past ten. There were present Henry G. Stebbins, 8. H. Wales, Philip Dissinger, D, B. Williamson and Samuel Hall. The contract for furnishing 550 tons of coal to the Department was awarded to Henry Sherwin, who agreed to furnish it at prices running from $6 10 to $6 20 per ton. Fifteen thousand dollars was then appropriated, as required by law, for the maintenance of the Gallery of Art in the Park. After this the Board went into @ discussion as to the election of President. No conclusion was arrived at, and as the meeting was private no knowledge of vhe discussion could be obtained, The Board of Parks is the only one which holds its meetings with closed doors. It is certain that squabble over this office of President as nly salaried one in the Board. The rules ylaws of the Board were also discussed and the question of President again taken up, but the meeting adjourned without action. BROOKLYN BOARD OF HEALTH, The Brooklyn Board of Health met yesterday afternoon and dfrected the District Attorney to prosecute Edward Ciark, the offal contractor, for non-fulfilment of the terms of his contract with the city. Complaints were received that numerous jaities residing in the Fourteenth ward have been in the habit of throwing garbage in the streets. A resolntion was adopted requesting the police to arrest and prosecute the offenders. THE ALGONQUIN NUISANCE, The Boat Still On the Jersey Shore and the Health Roard Nonpiussed. A HERALD reporter called-at Police Headquarters yesterday afternoon to learn what action the Health Commissioners intended to take with ref- erence to the boat Algonquin, which, some weeks since, was declared a nuisance, and whose removal had been ordered by Inspector Gridley. The boat’ at that time, in pursuance of this order, was quietly dropped across the river, in the neighborhood of Weehawken, about one mile from Hoboken. A rumor that the Algonquin was lying at the foot of Vesey street and that ie had been there visited by Dr. Jaynes, was said to be entirely un- founded. Commissioner Ohandler and Dr. Jaynes visited the dumping grounds at the foot of Vesey street on Wednesday, and hence the mistake, The Algonquin, as the health authorities believ: till lying aground near Hoboken, itis sad at the office of the Board of Health that the only qoeenen which the Health Commissioners have to ecide is whether the Algonquin is now in New York waters. If she be, the old order stands good ; if not, then itis yet to be seen what action tue Board of Health will take in the matter, It is claimed that New York waters extend beyond low water mark in New Jersey. Dr. Jaynes does not intend’to make any report to-day, MUSICAL AND THEATRICAL, Di Marske and M. Faure. Two of the members of the Maretzck Opera Com- pany are well known in this country by name. ‘These are Mile, ima di Murska and M. Faure; but, beyond their names, little is known of them. The former is @ Hungarian by birth, and made her first appearance on the lyric stage in 1865 as Lucia. Her voice is said to have an exceptionally Ingh range, and it is almost entirely as@ bravura singer that she became known. The parts in which she made her greatest successes were Dinorah, the Prineess, im “Roberto;’’ the Queen, in ‘‘Les Huguenots;” the Queen of Night, in Mozart's “Die Zauberfote” (Il Flauto Magico”), and in the character of Senta, in Mentone Dannato,” the Italian version of Wag- ner’s “Der Fiiegende Hollander.” Mile, Di Murska has lately been singing in Vienna M. Faure ig amuch older singer, though not yet an old man. He was born in Moulines, in France, in 1830, and graduated from the Conserva- toire of Paris in 1852, making his début the same year at the Opéra Comique. Among his earliest ccesses in grand | were bis Mephistopheles, in “Faust,” and his Casper, in Der Freischtitz.” ‘Bis latest triumph was his performance of Hamlet, in M. Thomas’ opera, in Paris, in 1868, when he sung the part of Mme. Nilsson’s Ophelia. Amon; the merits claimed for M. Faure is Versatility, bot! as a musical and dramatic artist, Mr. Neuwenderff’s Enterprises. Mr. A. Neuendorff for his efforts to provide for the aramatic and operatic tastes of the German part of our population should be heartily commended. He was extremely successiul last season at the Ger- mania Theatre, and he has been urged by the pleas- ing result of his management there also to under- take the conduct of performances, thrice per week during the coming season, at the handsome Terrace Garden Theatre in Fifty-ninth street, He wil shortly reopen the Germania Theatre, which during the summer has been in a measure renovated. The interior has been changed somewhat, instead of one there are now two entrances, and both are hand- somely frescoed. The stage has also been refitted and lengthened by one-half of its original depth. ‘The former company has been kept by Mr. Neuen- dorff and strengthened by the addition of Miles. Rinoldi, from the theatre in Cologne; Wolff, from the theatre in Amsterdam, and Heynold, from the theatre in Koenigsberg; and Messrs. Otto Meyer, irom the Royal Theatre in Munich; Kraely, trom the Wilhelm Theatre in Hamburg, who-wiil Be bass buffo, and Schultz, from the same theatre, as tenor buffo. The troupe now number twenty-tiree members, and there is also engaged a chorus of twenty singers. Beside the performances at the Terrace Garden Theatre part of Mr. Neuendorf’s company will appear at the Brooklyn Lyceum on every Thursday evening of the season, Mr. M. Raden will be the business manager, Torriani—Sketch of the Young Prima Donna. Among the distinguished artists to be introduced this coming season to the American public by the Messrs. Strakosch may be mentioned Mlle. Ostava Torriani, who has of late attracted considerable attention at Her Majesty’s Opera House, London. As this lady seems destined to a leading position in her profession, a,brief sketch of her career thus far may prove interesting to our readers. She is the daughter of M. Tornquist, Swedish Consul at Hamburg, and was born in that city. She was educated as a pianist in Hamburg and in Dresden— in the latter city at the early age of ten. Mile. Torriani gave @ concert, assisted by Mme. Krebs. At the age of sixteen Mile. Torriani terminated her studies ior the piano and came to Paris, with letters of introduction to Meyerbeer and to Rossini. She was advised to cultivate her voice, and took Jessons from the celebrated Professor Wartel; also from Signor Delle Sedie. Under their able tuition she developed rare vocal gifts, being endowed with @ remarkable musical organization. The great maestro Rossini took a deep interest in the young artist, and by his urgent advice she went to Italy and finished her musical education under the supervision of Maestro Lamperti. She made her début in opera at tne Scala, in Milan, in “Rigo- letto,”” and was remarkably successiul. She re- ceived marked appreciation from the critical au- diences of that city, who were charmed by her well cultivated and sympathetic voice, and King Victor Emmanuel took great pleasure in her performances eS ead several costly gifts to the youn; arti Mile. Torriani also sang with marke success in Turin, Rome, Venice, Genoa, Bar- celona, Madrid, Seville, Grenada, Cadiz, Paris, and lastly in London, where she achieved a triumph as Susanna,in the “Nozze di Figaro.” The London 7imes pronounces her “one of the most ooensenie and promising of Mr. Mapleson’s new acquisitions,” ‘Her acting,” it says, ‘is sprightly, natural and full of intelligence. She sings remarkably well.” The Morning Post says that “the part in the performance demanding the most attention was that of Susanna, as presented by Mile. Torriani. She is gifted with an expressive face,a graceful ure, @ beautiful voice, an ele- gant method, and has a lively sympathy with the music and character, thus rendering the part especially interesting.” The Datly Telegraph speaks of the zoune artiste in equally eulogistic terms. In fact, Mile. Terriani has given ample proof of talent and rare distinction, and her début atthe Academy of Music cannot fall to be a very interesting event. The Salvini Dramatic Troupe. At the Academy of Music on the 16th September acompany of Italian players, with Signor Tommaso Salvini at their head, will commence a series of performances in tne Italian language, under the management of Mr. Maurice Grau. While the promises are profuse that the high scheol of tragedy will be placed on the stage with a most. careful regard to the details of scenery, costumes and minor characters, the success of the scason is evidently staked on that of Signor Salvini. The great performances of Madame Ristori are fresh in the minds of New Yorkers, and, indeed, will se re- main for those who were at any time fortunate enough to have witnessed the efforts of the tragédienne in her great parts. Dating from her performances we are'cer- tain, then, that Italian plays can be made profita- ble to a manager if only he fuifils the necessary conditions—namely, supplying @ style of art that will compensate the American public in sitting out & play whose language they do not understand. All this is promised in the person of Signor Sal- vini. His European reputation is of the highest, and the stray pieces of comment on his acting and inspiration which have reached this country ahead of the manager’s prospectus enlarge upon his merits. As a sign of the growing respectability of the theatrical profession it may be worthy of note that prominent artists have their biographies written now with details altogether outside of their art career, So Signor Salvini is duly heralded to us, The early years of his life on the stage suggest strorgly that his story forms the groundwork for Outda’s novel, “Pascarel.” Like a new artist in the oper- atic line, he has been a fighter on the liberal side. He was not one of “the thousand of Marsala,”’ bat his nitro-sulphurows epoch lies in the days when Garibaldi, the leader at Marsala, was defend- ing Rome against the French under Oudinot. Salvini fled to Genoa and studied, while Garibaldi came to America and made soap on Staten Island. We may conclude the political part of his career by noticing that he Was much persecuted by the Aus- trians in Venetia and the little Italian dukes of the period, and that this made .him all the more popu- lar with the people. Florence was the scene of his greatest stage triumph in his own land, where his mame is much beloved. He was born at Milan in 1833. His parents both belonged to the theatrical profession, and, in proof of the stage feverin the family, we may say that his brother A. Salvini, is relied onin the coming company for comedy and character-acting* Tom- maso was sent to school at Florence, and at an early age evinced his taste by impersonations in the school performances of his time. At fourteen years of age his career commenced with a regular engagement, aud the following year he set himself to study under the Italian actor, Gustavo Modena. He appeared at Naples tn 1848 and was greeted with applause, and afterwards travelied with Ristor. ‘Thus, attached to what is known as the Roman company, he came across his musketry experi- ences. His political persecutions wrought him some good, for he studied hard and ever after- wards he rose, lik fairy’s favorite, in public esteem until hé reached the zenith of his fame as. the “prince of actors” in Italy. He is now | years old and in full possession of his best facui- ties, possessing @ splendid presence and @ full, finely-modilated voice. le has received the’ player’s laurels in Paris, in Spain and South America, and now comes to New York to give us “@ taste of his qualtty.” His impersonations will cover the le Darts in “Othello,” “Hamlet,” ‘Merchant of Venice,” b; Shakspeare; “Samson,” “Saul,” by D'Aste; “! Figiio del Seive” (“Ingomar”) aud “Tne ' Gla- diator,” by Hahn; “Suilivan” and “Monte Cristo,” by Dumas; ‘“Zaira,”” by Voltaire; “Michaei An- gelo,” “La Marte Civile” and “sophocles, ” by Gia- cometti; ‘Orestes,’ “Spartacus,” ‘“Torquate .”? “David Rizzo,” “Colpa Vendica la Coipa,”’ josue 1! Guarda Costa,” by Alera,” and other pieces. We cannot, of course, now pronounce upon his art; but it 1s reported to be of the high- est quality and marked by creative genius, The company Will be led on the female side by Signora Isolna ping 1 @ young and handsome lady, who {is regarded as the legitimate successor, of Ristori by her admirers, which is saying | agreat deal. The company in full will censist of the following artists:—Signors T. Salvini, A. Sal- vini, L. Picininini, G. Pesaro, L, Carraciolo, A. Pia monti, G. Mancini. G. Casali. P, Bongini. A, Fabbri, A. Colonelio, G. Baracchi, E. Defla Seta, Btefant i Signoras Jaolina Pamonti, &. Sabracasn a , carani, ‘agall, Gianmartini, Julia Bovini. bt es “fhe Black Crook”—A Young Lady’s Op’ To THE EDITOR OF THE HERaLD:— In your issue of to-day I noticed a criticism on the “Black Crook,”’ which I think a very unfair one in two or three diferent respeets. First, your in- terpretation of Miss Sudiow’s “coarse bebavior and impudent grimaces to the audience” is a mis- take; the lady in question merely acted the ditfer- ent parts @f her solo as she sung. I watched the lady attegtively during the entire performance and could agt detect any improper actions or any- thing “insuit to an intelligent audience.” I uess your critic forgot that “evil he who evil thinketh,” and then he says the “allegorical pic- tures were a beautiful substitute for the cunvemary transformation scene. Now, “any gentleman wit) self-respect who would take bis wile or daughter” to see such an outrageously lewd picture as Mr. Morgan’s third one (representing woman) does not deserve to hold a piace in society above that of @ low strect loaier; aud, in fact, I doubt if even a loaler would escort a lady to witness such an exhi- bition. Yet your reporter calls it a beautiful sub- stitute for a transformation scene, and character- izes Miss Sudlow’s conduct as coarse and impu- dent. I trust you will give this a piace ip your valuable journal, and you will find that not a few ladies in the audience agree with the above senti- ments. Very tri yours, Miss M. GREY. MoRRISANLA, N. Y., August 19, 1873, Musical and Dramatic Notes. Mr. Predigam shows extreme bad taste in play. ing bouge music in the entr’actes of the “Midsummer Night’s Dream" at the Grand Opera House. Signor Muzio, the musical director of the Stra- kesch Italian Opera, will arrive py the Russia next week to prepare for the production of Verdi’s “Alda,” Miss Adelaide Phillips is spending the month of August in the Pyrences. Her sister, Miss Matilda Phillips, algo a contralto, made a decided success in Italy last Winter. It is very funny to hear young fellows bewailing the absence of the “unctuousness"” of Burton and Blake in Mr, Fox’s Bottom. Fox is only “droll” in the eyes of these young people. Miss Annie Louise Cary, who is in Paris, studying her part in “Aida” preparatory to its production atthe Academy of Music, sung at the American Chapel the other Sunday. The Register says that while her voice has preserved its beauty of tone, it has increased in compass and sympathetic timbre, thus manifesting evidences of careful culture ‘and progress. ART MATTERS. ows Departure of Gencral di Cesnola for Cyprus. General L, T. di Cesnola, the American Consu! to Cyprus, and the discoverer of the remarkable an- tiquities which, during the last few months, have been exhibited at the branch of the Metropolitan Art Museum, No, 128 West Fourteenth street, sails from this port to-morrow morning for Havre, thence to proceed immediately to Cyprus, where he expects to remain for two yeurs. It is not quite seven months since General di Cesnola arrived in this city, and during that time a vast amount of work has been done by him, to which the present condition ot the branch of the Museum in Fourteenth street will bear witness, The spacious Douglas mansion has been transformed into a handsome and systematic depository; every apartment has been appropriately identified and furnished with shelves, cabinets and cases; each article in the collection—and there are nearly ten thousand in ail—has been numbered, and a catalogue giving accurate information is now in the printer’s hands and will shortly be ready for use. The conserva- tory and coach house of the former mansion have been changed into art galleries, a magnificent loan collection has been added to that of Cesnola, and the wide hall in which the visitor finds himself on entering the building has been so lined with heads and statues as to form a strikingly appropriate in- troduction to the apartments opening on either hand and to the generous stairway. All this work has been designed and carried forward by General di Cesnola, and now that he is about to leave us to continue a work that has already made him cele- brated, it seems peculiarly appropriate to refer to lus tireless ‘industry, his unfailing judgment and his genius for invention and eoraktet On Wednesday evening General di Cesnola was entertained at the Union League Club by Mr. W. T. Blodgett, and, in answer to a toast, made a perti- nent speech, of which the appended reminiscence will be read with interest :-— “The results of my archwological discovertes, when placed in easy reach of the scientific word, brought to me my chief remuneration in the tnor- ough appreciation ot the first men of learning in the Old World. My dream ever was, since the poverty of my native country prevented it from securing the Cesnola collection, that the land of my adoption should possess it. But that dream scemed to fade away when one morning a tall, elegant man, with sympathetic and intelligent eyes, made his appearance at my house in London, and, with his quick perception of the importance of securing the collection tor New York, changed the fading dream soon afterward into a reality. We all recognize in him the brilliant host of this evening, Mr. W. T. Blodgett. Let it not be said, gentlemen, that we have put our hands to the Plough and then looked back. The beginning of our Art Museum is looked at across the Atlantic with mingled interest and incredulity ; a smile of de- rision at first met the announcement that a private American citizen had snatched from Europe the Cyprus collection in order to adorn his own native land and for the benefit of the American student. They said, where is the American student? What do the Americans know about art? Who are their archeologists? Is it possible that we will be obliged hereafter to cross the Atlantic in order to feed ourselves~ with knowledge from American treasures? Let us hope, gentlemen, that there will be in store jor tke European student much more seasickness (to use an expression from the Pall Mali Gazete) than ed sMagine at the present moment; but for pity’s sake do not tet the institu- tion fall, through indifference, and with time and custom, ‘It would render us and our claim to im- ortance in the scientific world a melancholy Fatture. You are men who have all met with suc- cess in life. Your names, your reputations are bound up in the triumph of this institution, and I have no tear on the subject.’’ Last evening General di Cesnola entertained at Deimonico’s the following gentlemen :—Mr. John Taylor Johnston, Mr. W, T. Bloigett, Chevalier de Luca, Consul General of Italy; Mr. Theodore Koose- velt, Mr. Augustus Johnson, United States Consul General; Professor Vincenzo Botta, Mr. Russell Sturgis, Mr, Robert Hoe, Jr.; Mr. Clarence Cook, Chevalier Bajnotti, Mr. Henry a baer Major P. di Cesnola and Mr. Hiram Hitchcock. General Mc- Clellan and Mr. Cyrus W. Field were expected, but sent their regrets at alate hour. General di Ces- nola sails at six to-morrow morning for Havre in the Pereire. He intends to resume his diggings in Cyprus immediately, and expects to disentomb antiquities quite as unique and valuable as any of those in the possession of the Art Museum. following is a general tabular statement of those now on hand :— The Museum will reopen in September. \ has yet been appointed to succeed General di Ces- nola in its management, and we do not feel au- thorized as yet to name the gentleman te whom circumstances point. * Foreign Art Notes. We are happy to be able to contradict the news- paper assertions that the widow of Charles Lucy, historical painter, has been left tn poor circum- stances. Mra. Lucy is amply provided for. ‘The landscapes of the late Mr. William Davis, of Liverpool, lately on private view at the studio of Mr. Ford Madox Brown, Fitzroy square, are to be exhibited publicly, for the benefit of his widow and family. Mr. Foley's equestrian statue of General Outram, erected temporarily in Waterioo place, is said to surpass even his celebrated Lord Hardinge statue. Mr. Foley’s model of the statue of the late Prince Consort, destined for the canopy of the great Albert memorial in Hyde Park, is also now finshed. The subject of Gustave Doré’s latest picture is the night of the crucifixion, and the scene shows us the city of Jerusalem, .with the three crosses upon Mount Calvary standing out clearly against the lurid lightning that darts out irom murk: clonds. The ple are in affright, crowde: cenmfusedly under the shadow of the heuses, and shrinking from the open street, where the wild light plays with fantastic vividness. On an old man, has ventured out from the crowd, an his weird form is reflected in bright, sudden shadow upen the ground. The com tien has the characteristic fauits apd merits ofthe painter's work. The skilful massing of light and shade is or the most effective kind. Brightness and gloom alternate in violent contrast, and in thus seeking for the more obvious triumphs of his art it is to be expected that all the more subtle qualities of form and color sbould be abandoned. ‘The drawing of the figures is undeterminate and even ragged in outline, and the gencrai harmony of the tones of a broad agd simple kjnd, The | / however, but was soon sent to grass. PRIZE FIGHT ON LONG ISLAND. A Battling Mill Between John Paul, of Phileas delphia, and Ike Smith, of Morrisania, for $200 « Side — The Quaker City Wins. Yesterday morning, just before cock-crow, Johm Paul, of Philadelphia, and Ike Smith, of Morrisania, N. Y., met in a roped arena ina wooded meadow two miles tothe westward of Riverhead, L. 1, adjust “diMculties,” whatever they were. Peal has appeared on two former occasions in the prize ring, doing his fights on the banks of the Schuyl- kill, whipping his men handsomely and in short order. Smith, who at present hails from Morrisania, 4a, it is believed, a native of Swansea, Wales, and ‘Was at one time employed in one of the numerous copper manufactories which abound in that seaport town. He has figured four or five times as a prize- fighter, his last appearance being tn March, 1870, at Redwood, adjoining bis birtnptace, in which he defeated Irish Mike Mallory, a horse-shoe nail- maker, for £10 a side. THE GLADIATORS READY. Notwithstanding the inclement state of the Weather there was an attendance of about one hundred and fifty, among whom were noticed Fred Clark, W. Donnelly and Moss Aaron, of Boston, At half-past five the men stepped into the ring. Paw Wore buckskin breeches. with white stockings, and shoes with wogdeu soles thereon, Smith had a pair of red flannel drawers on, with white stock- Ings ,and heavy leather shoes. Skid Harris and Barney Fold were the seconds te Paul, while Mike Courcey and fen Carno done the “handsome” for Smith, Jimmie Cook, @ London lad of recent importation, held the liquors, and a mild, genteel old personage, Who gave his name as George Jackson, of London, was chosen as referce. When “time” was called both men advanced to the cen- tre and commenced THE FIGHT. Rovnp 1.—Caution on both sides at every move- ment; then a femmt at a right-hander from Smith, which was avoided by Paul, and followed by a stinger on the left “peeper” by the latter. A rally and clinch, and both down. Time five minutes, RouND 2.—More ready this time, Considerable sparring by Smith, who received an ugly cut om the upper lip. First blood claimed for Paul and wllewet: The round ended by both men going own. ROUND 3—Smith came up with a dubious smile and sent out his “sinister? mawley, which was avoided by Paul, who danced aside as freely and easily as if taking part in A QUADRILLE. ° Rowunp 4.—Both men ready and Willing, and pos sessed @ great deal of “intent” to hit. Paullooked rather sour and vexed, but Smith managed to tap him on the os /rondis, which sent him to grass, Rounps 5, 6 and 7.—A good deal of fibbing; then some of a more gladiatorial description, after which both went down. Rovunp 8,—A long round, in which nothing effect ive was done. Paul looked confident and mis- chievous, and Ike bP peat though he felt no inclination to surrender as yet. Both down, their wrestling abilities being about equal, RounDs 9, 10 and 11.—A good deal of sparring; during which Smith seemed to incline to butting. For this Paul was quite prepared, and taking Ike by the neck, spun him to “Mother Earth,” Betting two to one on Paul, RouNDSs 12 AND 13.—Some pretty play by the hands of the two men; a feint at left by Smith and a Knockdown trom Paul. Round 14.—Both up to mischief, and busine’s soon commenced. A “hug’ terminated by Ike’s receiving two discolored optics. Three to one tm the bettimg on Paul, ROUND 15,—Smith rather groggy; ready to time, Betting lively. Rocnps 15, 16 AnD 17.—The homily of ‘variety is charming” was beautifully exemplified in these rounds, during which Paul maintained his way, while Ike looked distressed and palpitated like & grampus, BELLOWS TO MEND was in order. RouNDs 18 and 19.—In the first Paul executed but lite preluminary ceremony, when he grappled Smith, a compliment which was handsomely re- turned in the latter round, ROUND 20.—It was evident that both men were getting “winded” and desired to briug matters to acrisis; there was @ great deal of “rushing” on both sides and a great deal of trouble taken to “damage the top-lights" of each. During this round Paul was almost forced out of his “equilib- tium,” but Ike had to go to grass. Four te one on Paul A GENEROUS VICTOR. Roenp 21 AND Last.—Staggering and shaky, both, at the call of “time,” with a faint smile on both faces, showing a little more confidence in that of Paul, who, putting out his dexter mawley, hit Ike on the chin and sending him among the “but- tercups.” Smith received a slight contusion on the back of the head in his fall, which rendered him senseless, 80 that he was unable to respond to the call of “time.” So, amid hearty cheers, the victory was awarded to Paul, who immetiately af- terwards went about, with an open box in his hand, and collected $35 for Smith. Paul contrib- uted $16, making the total proceeds $60, which ig to be handed to the defeated man. " The men fenght at catch weight; Paul was, ap- parently, about one hundred and forty-six pounds, while Smith was 4 few pounds tighter. The fight was conducted in a right good manner, there being a total absenee of valgar remarks, common to such assemblages, and profane lauguage was “nowheres.” All returned to the city poorer, wiser and wetter men (for it rained incessantly) than when they started to make a feast on that advertised clambake. THE DROWNED JOURNALISTS, How Each Came to His Watery Grave— The Story Given by an Eye-Wit- ness—Rowe Sacrificed His Own Life te Rescue His Brother=—The Bodies Not Yet Recovered. The following story of the drowning of the two young journaliste—Messrs. Rowe and Keiller—is told by an eye-witness :— On Tuesday morning early a party of five gentle. men, who were stopping at Terry’s Hotel, Centre Moriches, went to cross the great South Bay for the purpose of bathing. There were included in the party Mr. George T. Ketller, Mr. George P. Rowe and Mr. Rowe's brother, with two other young gentlemen, whose names have not been ascertained, The whole party arrived earlier at the place of bathing than the boats irom other hotels, and entered the er almost immediately after their arrival on the beach. The northeastern wind had produced a new storm and an unusually bigh surf. The whole rty went into the water together, and clang tast by the ropes for some time. Mr. George Rowe's brother Was the first who was swept from the line, and the others, with the ex- ception of one, were carried off almost imme- diately afterwards. Mr. Keilier was taken out by an exceedingly large wave and swept out of signt before the lifeboat could render any assistance. Mr. George '’. Keiller, the party drowned, reached the shore in salety after his first struggle with the breakers, but, seeing his brother in danger of being lost, went into the surf again. The brother, how- ever, Was thrown in on the beach in an exhausted condition by a circular eddie, while Geo: Te. Keilier was scarcely three minutes tn the surf the second time when he threw up bis arms and was swept out of sight. The uther two men were saved, one mainly by the assistance of Mr. David Blair, of Albany. At noon the United States officers, under Svmmes De Harem, Grageea the surf for the bodies, but without suCcess. In the course of draggin; the leg of Mr. Gilman Terry was well nigh severe: from his body by coming in contact with a rope. The bodies have not yet been recovered, nor is it probable that they will. The search for them will termimate to-day. DROWNED, The body of an unknown man, about thirty years of age, was yesterday morning found foating in the Bay off the Battery by Captain William H. Wil- liams, of 61 South street, and towed in to pier 16 East River, where Officer Quinn, of the First pre- cinct, took charge of it. The body was sent to the Morgue and Coroner Kessler was notified. Yesterday morning Coroner Kessler was called to 265 Ninto avenue to hold an inquest on the body of Charles Gasgeil, a lad seven years of age, who was accidentally drowned while bathing in the dock foot of Twenty-fitth street, North River. William Burton, a man twenty-four years of ago, was drowned im the dock at © 22 North River on Wednesday aiternoon. body was sub- ee recovered and an inquest will be held on On Sunday evening last Ferdinand Dautsch, a youth of twenty years, and two or three other ‘oung men, went out on the North River in a row- it a oreas ride, but while eff Forty-fifth street the boat upsct, and Dautsch, being unable to swim, was.irowned. His companions were res- cued. The body was subsequently found foating in the BS hy and oe gg OA ceased identified it at the Mo 5 lived" near the foot of Twenty-sixth street, Nerti: River. BROOKLYN DEATH BECORD. ‘The Brooklyn Board of Health yesterday iseued their mortality report of last week. It appeared from this that there were 259 deaths last week, being 36 less than the previous week and 66 lesa the two corresponding weeks of last year. There were no deaths trom smallpox, while during the corresponding week of last year that fell di. claimed 29 victims. The principal causes of h last week were: ra infantum, 73) oon , 21; indammation‘of the bowels, 1; dys pn a marasmus, 16; convuistons, 12; disease of heart, 7; inflammation of lungs, 50. Of these who died 43 were men. 41 women. 105 bays and 74 gira,