The New York Herald Newspaper, March 31, 1873, Page 3

\ \ a « THR NEW YORK “CHARTER. ———— The Fight in the State Legislature. "The Custom House Leaders and the Weed and Morgan Interests. Democratic Monkeys and Re- publican Cats. How the Democracy Hopes to Pull Chestnuts Out of the Fire. Republican City Officers To Be Retained in the Charter. _ Governor Dix in Favor of Their Retention. A CUNNING ALDERMANIC RUSE. Look Out for a Secret Meeting of the Boards. THE CHARTER A PURELY PARTY QUESTION Will the Republicans Throw Away Party Power? ALBANY, March 29, 1873, THE CHARTER MUDDLE CONTINUED. The New York city charter has again been the prominent feature in legislation during the past week, although the work of the parties interested has been done mainly in caucus meetings and hotel parlors and not inside the chambers of the Capitol. We have had a large representation of the leaders of the several cliques and factions with us since Tuesday last, and they only took their fight from the elity yesterday after the two houses had ad- journed over until Monday evening. It is scarcely mecessary to mention the names of these inde- fatigable patriots, tor they are already familiar to the readers of the HERALD. The administration Yepublicans, or, a8 they are familiarly called, the “Custom House ring,” have been present in full force, including ex-United States Collector of Cus- toms Thomas Murphy, United States Commissioner Davenport, United States District Atterney Bliss, ex-United States Assessor Webster and their regular allies and followers. The Weed and Mor- gan interest has also been properly represented, ‘and while these two factions have been skilfully playing their cards against each other for the edd trick, the eld and new Tammany elements, the last felics of the Tweed régime still holding en to the Commissions of Police, Fire, Hmigration, &c., and the organization of the regenerated demecracy “ander Green, Tilden and Kelly, have been ‘@hrowdly Standing by on the lookout for an oppor- ~ tanity to steal the pool. HOW THE SEVERAL PARTY INTERESTS STAND. ‘While a great deal is written about the scramble over your city charter, few persons take the pains examine or to explain understandingly the * exact position of the several interests involved in the proposed fegisiation. When the charter elec- ‘ton took place in New York last November the ‘anion of the republican and “reform” parties and ‘the nommation of the ex-chairman of the Cemmit- tee of Seventy for the office of Mayor created the impression that the city offices would be partitioned ‘among the faithful adherents of republicanism and the disinterested patriots of that famous commit- tee. But as soon as it was ascertained that the Tepublicans had eleeted their whole State ticket by 2 large majority, and that they had control of both houses of the Legislature by ever a two-third ‘vote, it immediately became evident to the admin- istration republican leaders that by taking posses- sion of the enormous patronage of the New York city gevernment they could break down forever the old overshadowing democratic majorities in the city and insure the vete of the Empire State for the republican party on all future occasiens. They appealed to Mayor Havemeyer to co-operate with them in this partisan work; but the Mayor, al- though a reformer, was true to his democratic Principles, and was, moreover, bent upon advanc- ing the ambitious views of some of his associates qn the Committee of Seventy. Having taken counsel with Messrs. Green, Tilden and Kelly, he refused to lend himself to the republican scheme, boldly declared his intention to make independent selections for city officers and claimed the right to exercise the power of appointment himself as Chief Executive of the city. WHERE THE DEMOCRATIC INTEREST COMES IN. The plain, straightforward course of the new Mayer at once suggested to the democracy the idea of holdiag on to the power which, under their Waterloo defeat in the election, they had made up their minds to relinquish. Under the present aaty government they retain possession of the lion’s share of the municipal spoils. first, the Comptroller’s office, with Andrew H. Green at its head, with the twe Storrs, Lawrence, Sackett and almost the entire sta of Dick Con- Rolly under him. At the head of the several Dureaus in the Finance Department they have sterling democrats—Thomas Dunlap, an energetic and untiring Tammany politician and an eid Con- Holly officer, in the Bureau of City Revenue; Gen- eral McMahon, a useful and leading democrat, in the Bureau of the Collection of Taxes; A. S, Cady, a Connolly appointee, in the Bureau of Arrears; A. 'T. Earle, an independent democrat, in the Audit. ‘ing Bureau ; Morris Miller, an uncompromising dem- crat and a relative of Governor Seymour, in the Bureau of Arrears of Personal Taxes, and F. Devoe, Connolly democrat, in the Bureau of Markets. ‘They have next the Police Department, with Bos- Worth and Barr, democrats, and B, F. Manierre, Greeley republican, forming the majority of the Board, against one republican, Henry Smith. They have Nicholson and Frear, prominent Tammany democrats, and others, in the Department ef Public Charities .and Correction., They have Hitchman, Saye a. and Hennessey in the Fire Depart- mt. ey have Macgregor in the Department of zs val ae bree Laue Sn ocae ie par tune! . tree! aning and other im- OBJECT OF THE DEMOCRATS TO PREVENT PASSAGE OF ANY CHARTER, nae Now, it can readily be understood that if the democrats could prevent legislation this session they would win a it ey, triumph, and hence ‘the avidity with which they seized upon the first indication ofa breach between the new Mayer and republican organization to intrigue for its widening and to W pat & compromise or recon- Snobs hy > tos it oe of layor to change ai of these ic departments aad bureaus ithe esired to do 80, and the democracy would, there- fore, be as well off after defeat as they would have been had carried the election and made Abraham R. Wrence Mayor, for it would have ‘Deen as th Out of that gentleman's power to re- move Van Delafield Smitn, Stebbins and Heary Amitn as it weuld be for Mayor Havemeyer, pps . we anaes to toga d a and democrati of bureaus, and the demo- cratic Commissioners of Police, Fire, Charities and &o, democrats and Greeley re- fore set to work in the Legislature and in the to fan the flames kindled by Have- meyer's letters, and to make the fight a een the Mayor and the republicans, PROMISES OF BONES TO THE SENATE. ‘The Senate offered the best field for operations. It the Senate of 1872—the Semate that had de- feated prorata for Vanderbilt and Archer, that ‘had trembled before Tweed and that had done its Pye argh tion of last Winter scandal 3G reproach to the State, This had the sweets of struggling office Fetention of They have,’ lieved the of the democrats, and were anxious for a m1 in the hope of ny Ngee by those who were intriguing te preven’ e pas- sage of any charter during the present session. HOW THE MUDDLE WAS HELPED BY REPUBLICAN SQUABBLES, All this time, however, the republicaa leaders were deing their part to increase the diMculty u ‘heir own jealousies and cross purposes. The Weed and Morgan interests became jealous of the Murphy, Bliss and Davenport influence, or, as it 1s called, the influence of the Custom House Ring. Both factions were agreed on the wisdom and pro- priety of taking fu'l possession of the city govern- ment and placing all the offices in republican hands. What they differed about was the manner in which it should be done. The Weed and Mor- in side said, ‘We have already some licans in office in the city of New York. good repub- Here are Van Nort, Delafield Smith, Stebbins and Henry Smith, who we regard as good officers and useful party men; new let them be retained and only turn out old Tammany democrats and impractical. in- competent men, of whom the city eught tobe rid.” The new republican leaders, representing the federal administration, have not desired to ‘ee to this pregramme. They have professed a ess that the present republican officials shall be reappointed, but have insisted that all the city offices should be vacated and then filled again by whatever ap) neing power may be fini agreed upon, But the other side have argued, if xe, honestly intend to rece Messrs. Van Nert, tebbins and the two Smiths, why go through the farce of turning them out only to put them in again?” The truth is, the Oustom House leaders have been slightly suspected of a ne, to cheat at least some of these present oficeholde and the Weed and Morgan interest have resolve that it shall not be done. THE POWRR BEHIND THE SENATE. While, as I have said, certain hun, were quite willing thatthe charter shou obstruction on its way, in the hope of the pened tion of the profitable ventures of last session, it is also true that the power behind the Senate is to be found in some of your city departments which 1 have named. Unless Messrs, Van Nort and Smith are assured that they will not be cheated no charter can the Upper House. Méssrs. Woodin, Palmer, Madden and other streng men are willing that the city government should be republican, but they can see no reason why republicans, who have stood the brunt oi the battle thus far, should be thrown overboard, and they are not wile that the old party chiefs, such as Thur- Governor lorgan and the like, ignored at the bidding of new managers, however faithfal and competent as lead- ers. There are many sound republicans who do not object to working harmoniously and energetically with the Custom House party, but who are not pre- pared to place unlimited power in their hands and to suffer them te take entire charge of the eity pat- ronage, in addition to their present extensive fed- eral patronage. THE REPUBLICAN SQUABBLE ONLY ABOUT INDIVID- vals, Still the republican squabble fs, after all, only abeut individuals, and will no doubt be overcome without serious consequences in the end, The orig- inal hitch in the charter programme, in fact, arose through the intractableness of the New York Board of Aldermen, many of the members desiring to monepolize the city patronage for their own Grebe friends. Alderman Vance and some of is associates were ready to agree upon such ap- pointmen‘s as the republican organization might approve; but others were greedy and exacting. One modestly insisted upon naming the Chamberlain, another demanded the selection of a Pelice Commissioner, another wanted the Public Works, and so on through the list until the whole of the pl pesca) would have been partitioned among the persenal friends of the Aldermanic Board. This would have necessitated the halt of the Assembly billin the Senate committee under any circumstances, even if the personal greed of some of the Senators and the intrigues of the present democratic ofice-holders had not placed an obstruction in its way. THE NEW PLAN OF APPOINTMENT. The new plan of appointment agreed upon this week was partly the result of the grabbing spirit of the Aldermen and partly brought about through the efforts of the Weed and Morgan party. Still, the Custom House leaders are all in favor of it and have been laboring to make it @ success, The only point of disagreement between the two interests now is as to the reten- tion m the charter of Messrs. Van Nort, Delafield Smith, Stebbins and Henry Smith, or tue sweeping away of all the present officers. In the latter event these gentlemen would, of course, have to take their chances of begorernle by the Mayor and the Presidents of the Boards of Aldermen and Assistant Aldermen. To be sure, the Custom House leaders promise that they shall be restored to their several pesitions; but there 18 much perti- nency in the inquiry, If be J are te be reappointed why go through the farce of removing them at all? Their triendsfear that the pro leaders are not sincere, and a8 they wisdom of the old saying, “‘A bird in the hand is worth twein the bush,” itis not prebable that they will suffer them to be removed. te have the power to hold the Senate and they will do so, and the Custom House party will no doubt agree in the end to the retention programme. GOVERNOR DIX IN FAVOR OF THE WEED POLICY. The Weed and Morgan policy receives much strength irom the generally credited report that it is acceptable to Governor Dix. The Governor fully sympathizes with the sentiment that refuses to ignore the tame-honered leaders of the party, and has all along insisted that Messrs. Weed and Mor- gan should be consulted as to the shape in which the charter should be passed. The repert that the Governor will not approve any chagter that does not give the appointing pewer to the Mayor has no foundation in fact. He has all along declared his belief that the people, in electing so Jarge a major- ity of republican Assemblymen, have pronounced Le Longer nef in favor of a positive republican policy, and he will not interpose his veto on any personal grounds when a bill has received the support of the republican legislators as a party. measure. It was the wish that the ‘majority of the Legislature might vote solidly in favor of the charter that induced the desire on the part of the Governor that the Weed and Morgan interest should be studied and satisfied in the bill. Indeed, it is said, that Governor Dix has expressed the opinion that while Mayor Havemeyer might be fully trusted to appoint none but honest, compe- tent and faithful men to office, the policy of giving uncontrolled power of appointment to the Mayor of New York would be exceedingly dangerous in view of the great power of the democracy and the chances of a union of the party that might elect a strong partisan as chief executive officer of New York at a net far distant day. THE DIFFICULTIES IN THE WAY OF THE NEW PLAN OF APPOINTMENTS. There are, however, some difficulties in the way of the new pian of appointment decided upon by the republican leaders and agreed in by the Senate cancus. That plan Rati that the heads of the city departments shall be elected by the Mayor, tne President of the Board of Aldermen and the President of the Board of Assistant Aidermen by a majority vote. Mr. Vance is at present the presid- ing officer of the former Board and Mr. Wade of the latter Board. Neither can command a majority of the Board, and either may be displaced at any moment, it has been the intention of the two Boards, as soon as the charter shall have been passed by the Legisiature and sent to the Gov- ernor, to change their presiding oMfcers. The law dates from the time the Governor affixes his Senaters meet an sew of the new the Signature, and when he ed it the Presi- dents would not be essrs, Vance and Wade, but two other Aldermen. If the charter, should seek to guard against this danger by providing that the “present’’ Presidents should be the men, that would only mean the Presidents in office when the law was signed and not when it was passed. If it designated as the eee power the two Presidents elected when the boards were first organized no such officers would be in existence when the charter became a law, and hence the provision would be a nullity and the present city oMfcers weuld remain in office under the common law until their successors should be appointed. If, however, it should be decided that the present officers were absolutely turned out, then the existing Fgh gig of the charter, not being repealed, weuld ne in force, and the Mayor would appoint, HOW IT I8 PROPOSED TO AVOID THE DIFFICULTY. The leaders, however, propose to avert this at by taking precaution that the Gevernor shall be duly advised by telegraph the moment he signs tre bill, whether the revolutionary ruse has really been resorted to by both or either of the Aldermanic Boards. If any change of Presi- dent has been made, then the charter will be re- called by the Legisiature and further action taken upon it. The threatened danger is, however a strong reason why the republican officers desired to be retained should not be turned out by the charter. The Board of Assistant Aldermen, which has @ good democratic and liberal majority, and which is not over scrupulous in its manner of doing business, may spring @ trap upon the re- ublican leaders ahd the Governor, despite all heir precautions. A secret preeting atany hour of the day er night, held with a quorum present, and without the notification or attend- ance of any of the members not in the plot, might change the presiding officer, and Mr. Wade himself might be left in ignorance of his removal until after the charter became a law. All these ers are Still in the Way of the republican mnanagers, and hence it can readily be seen that they have trouble enough without quarrelling among themselves, THE CHARTER A PURELY PARTY QUESTION. Thave no doubt that when the charter is again up in the Senate next Tuesday, all the regular re- eee will be found in favor of retaining Mesrrs. van Nort, Stebbins, Delafield Smith and Henry Smith, and ‘img the appointin, ower to the Mayor and thee ‘0 Aldermanic Presidente, The truth is, the charter is a purely party question, and it is no jonger possible for the republican mem: bers te evade party responsibility in their action = the bill, With the city patronage, the police, the Courts, and, above all, the District Attorney's office in thetr hands, the repubitcans can hold the city and carry the State for their candjdates for twenty years ¢o come, besides helping elections elsewhere. If they throw ny the chance now it ip Rot likely they (will eyer get again, If they do | fortune that fell so unexpectedly into their hands at the last election. A PLAUSIBLE PLEA FOR A PARTISAN LAW. ry measure. making the charter a part, ‘They have the responsibility for the good government of the city, and nothing can save them trom it, whatever course they may pursue. If they put democrats 12 office or help to put them there they will be ac- countable for their good conduct just as much as if ieex pee republicans in office. They have the power in the State Legislature to do as they please, and hence the democracy cannot be held teany respon- sibility. In like manner, if they make a division of the offices and a mixed government, they will be eq responsible as ey had put none but republicans on ard, ‘The re- ublican leaders argue that the city of lew York has tried a democratic government and has been shamefully swindled and plundered ; that it has tried a so-called non-partisan or mixed gov- ernment and has seen all its great public works at @ standstill; all its department: zed or demoralized ; all its honest cre eann isguated and its meney squandered in needless litigation. It has not yet tried a republican government, pure and simple, and this they now propese to test. As to pietnes before election, direct responsibility and all similar bosh, they care nothing what may be said. They claim that no reform has ever been accomphshed except through the republican party, and as they now have the opportunity of securing reform, patronage. power, plunder and votes all at one and the same moment, they are not likely to neglect it, TURNER HALL. PRPS ARLE EPR EN The Necessity of Political Organization en the Part of the Working Classes— An Appeal to the Laberers—Down With the Monopolists=The Labor Question To Be Setticd by the Ballot—Discourse by Mr. L. Thompson, At the Cosmopolitan Oonference, held in Turner Hall, 66 East Fourth street, yesterday afternoon, Mr. L. Thompson delivered an address on the sub- ject, “The Necessity of Political Organization on the Part of the Working Classes,” Alter alluding to the importance of the subject and the necessity for great fertility of thonght and power of argu- ment—in which he was lacking—in order to do it justice, he propounded the inquiry—“‘Who compose the industrial classes ?” He considered that in- dustry is a principle inherent in man’s nature. The millionaires of the city were among the most industrious of all, though their labors were devoted to amassing wealth filched from the poor seamstresses and from laborers in general. The stock gamblers work hard to obtain other people’s money, and the burglars and thieves equally 80. The lawyers, too, are an industrious class, whether laboring to put the halter around the neck of some poor wretch who, in a moment of frenzy, has killed a fellow man, or to allow these who have robbed the city of millions to go scot free, The beggars, too, are industrious, and the poor woman, with her sickly child, who has passed the day in alms-asking, goes to her wretched abode weary from her labors. So it is that under our false system of social life the inherent tendency to industry has taken the wrong direction. He pro- posed, however, to address only that class whose labors tend to good; that, in the past, has been isolated and is now suffering from a want of co- operation on the part of its members. He first referred to the manuai laborer, whom he considered the most important member of society ; though the humblest; and next the artisan, the Mechanic, the teacher as necessary parts of our civilization. What has been the condition of those who represent the arms and feet of social lite? They have been called serfs, vassals, plebians, slaves. ‘Those who have caused the earth to bloom with fertility have been set down as slaves, while those who denounce them as such have assumed to themselves the title of ‘nooility.” He then showed that though the condition of those had been modified they were not yet free. Hedepicted the effect of the subjugation ef the working classes, attributing to it the 200,000 of the pauper ciass in London and a corresponding number in this cit, while crime and misery are rampant everywhere. CHURCH AND STATE. There are, he said, two institutions who have trampled en the masses tn all ages—the Church and State. The efforts of the priesthood had always been deleterious to the laborer, and the religious wars brought about by them had caused thousands of deaths. We make war against it, and shall con- tinue to untilit is overthrown. The power of the government has been exercised rather to eppress than to proteet the working Class, and only through the power of political organization has it en successfully opposed. The methods whieh have been used. are. One of these is reyo- lution, now adopted by the straggilmg vittums of tyranny in the Isle of Cuba, and the hour of their redemption seems near at hand. This our forefathers used, with what success we Know. The second method referred te was the “strikes,? These he represented as costing too much, It was, in fact, but a contest between the Jaborer’s hungry stomach and the rich man’s long purse, They were demeralizing, breeding strife and dissension, The thiru method, and the one he thought to be right, was in the PRINCIPLE OF ©0-OPERATION. This, properly applied, will accomplish all that is desired, He ridiculed and denounced the fear of emigration, Which some workingmen entertained, and regretted the action of the trades uniens on the subject. He would open wide the gates heathen, to the priest-ridden Catho- to ail. We want, e said, to place ballot in their hands that they may assist us in overthrowing the great monopolies. 1 know we have the power to break @ the present system of finance. We can knock the bottom out of Wall street. It is of no use petitioning our rep- resentatives; they are thoroughly corrupt. I pro- pose to call a convention, amd at once. We have four years before us, and let us adopt our platiorm of principles, and send out our representatives all over the country. We can nominate our candi- dates at any time. Meanwhile we must labor to piace our Tepresentatives in the municipal and State legislature, so, when the centenary arrives, our candidate will be in the White House. We no longer want to pay millions for the privilege ofa currency. THE POWER OF THE BALLOT is omnipotent, and we must go to politics for a so- lution of the labor question, to crush monopolies and shut up the gambling shops. Referring to edu- cation he said the colleges and schools have here- tofore been for the benefit of your oppressors. You can inaugurate a system which shall throw the doors of them open-to your children. By the ballot youcan break up class legislation, which favors such men as Tom Scott in Pennsylvania, Jim Fisk in his daf¥ here and Oakes Ames in Congress. He argued at Jength that nething could be expected of those now in power, and, as the workingman is in the numerical majority, he should assume contro! of the government itself; that there should be no such thing in the community as a workingman begging for toil. included in the i whl of principles that the gov- ernment should give remauerative employment to the people, and not leave them tn the hands of the monopolists, who pay the least for the most labor. Our progress depends upen you, and if yon have the will and the heart it can be accomplished, TALMAGE AND THAT ACADEMY MARRIAGE. He Defends It and Says It Was Not a Mock Ceremony. The Rev. T. De Witt Talmage, previous to his sermon last evening, took occasion to thank the papers which had given favorable notices of the fair held at the Brooklyn Academy in aid of the new church, and also the papers which had criti- cised the marriage ceremony last Thursday night adversely, as it was the best advertisement they could have. He said:—“We had a wedding here last Thursday. It was not @ mock wedding, as some people have thought; it was a legal weduing, solemnized in the usual ferm and in our usual piace of worship, It is generally supposed tobe appropriate that a marriage ceremony shall be formed in the regular place of worshtp, and sure We had ne other place to go to. It was in costume of Revolutionary times, which I think is a great Improvement upon the costume of the pres- ent day. (Laughter.) I will just say, notwithstand- ing all that has been said, if there are any two p sons who cannot live alone say longer and there be any night this week when the Acad- emy is not occupied, in the same way and in the same ier I will put them out of their misery. «Laughter and applause.) AN ABKANSAS QUARREL. A Saloon Keeper Shot and Killed by a , Printer. LrtrLe Rock, Ark., March 30, 1873, At half-past twelve o'clock on Friday night Alfred Stilwefl, a printer, shot and mortally wounded Edward O’Connell, @ saloon keeper, on the corper of Main and Market streets, Both are noted characters. An old grudge existed between thém on account of Stilwell having left his wife and O'Connell's family taking her part. They were both intoxicated, and on meeting had some words, and O'Connell struck Stilwell over the head with a cane, knocking him down and inflicting a severe wound, Stilwell then drew a Derringer and shot O'Connell in the abdomen. O'Connell died last night. Stilwell was bailed in $2,000, NAVAL INTELLIGENCE, A telegram from Gibraltar, under date of the 30th instant, reports:—‘The United States ship Supply, Commander Babcock, hag arrived here, Allon board are well. ‘ He would have | ' YORK HERALD, MONDAY, MARCH 31, 1873—TRIPLE SHEET, LIGHT AT LAST. Interviews with District Attorney Britton and Chief of Police Campbell on — the Goodrich Murder, UNRAVELLING A DARK DEED. Mrs. Myers, alias Armstrong, Tells Her Three Stories. WAS ROSCOE THE MURDERER ? The Three Women Connected with the Case and What They Did. As the Goodrich murder case becomes older it thickens im interest, and as each day passes sup- plying some link to the terrible story, the popular appetite is whetted such as it has not been since the Nathan murder, some years ago. The two cases are parallel in one point—the mystery which surrounds them. The detectives are working hard, and to some extent have been successful, for now it proves that the woman Myers will turn outa most important witmess, The aim at present is to arrest weman No. 1, one of whose aliases is Kate Stoddard, and who lived in the same block with Gootrich for two months, The connection of the man Roscoe with the murder is not clear. It would = seem that ke had some rela- tions with Goodrich, and had one or two altercations with him. It is va- riously stated that the woman Myers does and does not know who murdered Geodrich, It is pretty safe to assume, from the information gathered, she does not. Roscoe may er may not be the man whom she met at Goodrich’s house on February 20, when one of the altercations took place. Mrs. Myers has not cencealed anything she knew of the case, though ner stories seem to differ very materially, She was with Goodrich until nine o'clock on the night of the murder, and then leit him. She never saw him again. This important | point has been established, as well as the identity of the three women who are mixed up in the case— woman No. 1, Kate Stoddard, who appears to have been a lady of multifarous amnities; woman No. 2, Mrs. Myers, alias Armstrong; woman No. 3, the one to whom Goodrich was engaged and who as- sisted at the funeral. Of these only the first re- mains undiscovered. In the interviews given below will pe found a great deal of matter of interest, and they do much to throw light on the occurreace, mysterious as it is. What between the reporters and the detectives, who are showing no small amount of rivalry in working up the case, it seems not quite improba- ble that a definite idea will be reached as to who the murderer is, though very likely it will be a matter of much greater difficulty to catch him when his individuality is ascertained beyond cavil. The time 1s passed for theories of the murder; the public is thoroughly sick of these, for among the many not one has proved cerrect, and it almest seems as if the corpse of poor Goodrich would rise up in protest against some of the absurd accounts of the manner im which he was slain. Until the murderer himself is caught there can be ne true account ef the dreadful scene which toek place in that fated room of the Degraw street house. INTERVIEW WITH DISTRICT ATTORNEY BRITTON. Areporter of the HERALD interviewed District Attorney Britton in Breekiyn yesterday, and suc- ceeded in getting a better analysis of the case than has yet been published. The gentleman | alluded to gave his word that all that was said was perfectly genuine and entirely new. He himse'f has been more or less brought into the case, and from having been 80 constantly misrepresented has cause to have a perfect dread ef being inter- viewed on the subject, “Tam willing,” s@id the gentleman, “‘to tell you all 'know, and I # the more inclined to do it as I think it is better the truth should be tela than that constant misstatements sheuld be going the round of the press and deceiving and frighten- ing people who appear to think that injustice is | practised in an attempt to further justice. [am not aware that any injustice has been practised towards any one as yet, nor will there be.” “The information which the HERALD more par, ticularly desires just at present is, of course, mainly as to who committed the murder, But as | the authorities, I presume, know no more about | that than any one else, it is useless to ask it.” | AN ADVENTURE WITH A REPORTER. | “You are right,” said the District Attorney ; “the murderer has not been discovered amd the authori- | ties are quite willing to confess that, A certain | paper did start out with a wonderful stery that the | murderer was known, and | was routed out of my | bed at twelve o’clock on Saturday night to answer & reporter's questions. I was represeuted neXt morning a8 saying that | knew the murdefer, and that the story of one Roscoe being the mur- | derer Was true. I never said anything of the kind, | and the statement that 1 did say so is a lie. In fact, the whole story published the next day Is a fle- tion. The reporter toid me that he had information | of the murderer and I answered, ‘If you know all about it, what do you come to me for?’ and that was the sum and substance ef the interview. The story published makes out that the murderer was discevered; that he had fled to another @ty; that the woman Lucette Myers was his mistress; that she had made a coniession of having seen the crime committed by this suddenly-discovered indi- vidual whose name was given as Roscoe, aud that it was committed through the motive power of jealousy; this Roscee having been stated as being the lover of Luceite Myers, Whom she abandoned for Goodrich. MRS, MYERS NOT CONCERNED IN THE MURDER. “For all this story. there is not the slightest particle of evidence, and I can tell you this much, that the gir Myers, or Armstrong, as she is vari- ously termed, not only was not a participant or assistant rather at the murder, but really knew nothing of the murderer, and does not to this day.” “Then why is she held?” asked the reporter. “She is held asa witness in the not as a murderess—and she is quite willing to stay. She is naturally guarded rather closely, for one does not Know what influences might be brought to bear upon her, but we are perfectly convinced of her in- nocence.” “But if she does not know of the murderer, what is she kept for?” “Her testimony will prove to be very valuable.” “Will you tell me in what way?” The gentleman hesitated a few moments and thought. He then said:—‘‘Well, I can see no ob- jection, for, at any rate, it will come out on Tues- day at the inquest, and will prove to be the main testimony taken unless in the meantime anybody else should be captured. But. in itself it is very im- portant to the case, and, no doubt, aiferds a clue which will lead to the discovery of the murderer.” WHEN MRS. MYERS LAST SAW GOODRICH. “What are the important points?’ “They are two, First, we know from Lucette Myers, and frem other sources, are satisfied that the account is true in itself that on Thursday night— that ig the last evening on which Goodrich was seen ae eee she, Lucette Myers, was with Geodrfth until nine o'clock in the evening. He called at her house in Rivington street and invited her to go out with him, she pled, and they went to take a car ride together. After remain- in be hae some time they returned. He leit her at her house, saying he was going home. He did 80, ving her at nine o'clock, for a conductor on the Atlantic avenue cai saw him get on the car and get off at Degraw street. ‘This is the last time be Was seen alive, and no doubt he went im- mediately to his own house, where the murder took place. This destroys the theory that she went to his house with him or that she had any- the | | thing to do with the murder. They parted on the mos' amicable terms, and never saw each other more.’ “This statement also bears out that of the mother be! se pit, who says she was at home on Thursday “Yes, there is ne doubt on that point, and none of us for one moment suspect or ever did suspect her of committing the murder.” “What do you think were ner relations with Goodrich? They were intimate, were they not?’ “There can be but little doubt of that. The girl only gatped $3 4 p Week, AND OD It bad to suDRert | know anything at | up to about March 1; that Goodrich was a | Baltimore. He 1s the man who killed | inal would Hot ‘have gr 7 Let her who is i we given wi r wi im a land who would be under such trials cast “And new as to the second pein in Lucette Myers? testimony?” . sii “That is }» under the saya traly” that jn y—that she was once at the house of Goourich, that on — She had gone meets on if'he said he did. When re she says Goodrich and another man had an altercation and it grew into a fight. She went in between the cont its and separated them. The other then leit the house.” That has not t cphearea. Bot it may be, and aps ts the Hose haps is the oe Who has been mentioned, jut as to his having been identified with the mur- der there is no ground on whieh to base an opinien. What the cause oi the altercation on the occasion mentioned was dees not even appear. It was ofsome private nature, and one Mre. Myers was a atranger ; it certainly was not jealeusy. This is all the light the girl can throw on the case; but It is of such importance as to very probably ultimately lead to the discovery of the real murderer. In the meantime, while we are obliged to keep the girl in confinement, she is well treated and with all proper courtesy, not a8 a prisoner arrested on & criminal charge.” KATE STODDARD'S CONNECTION WITH THE MURDER, “And now to another matter,” said the reperter, “who is the girl who has been called Kate Stod- dard, and who has been named as having had some connection with the affair ?? “The name of this girl was let out in spite ofa promise of secresy which all who knew it had made. Kate Stoddard is one of many aliases which the girl had assumed, She is the same one who has already been mentioned as having lived sows _ ich, months in the same row of houses as Gor been deseribed by Profeasor Boyle as having a Diana-like appearance, and who sat with Goodrich en the stoop of his house. As yet we have not the slightest clew to her whereabouts, and she is the woman we want. She is, in fact, woman No. 1, and all we know about her is that she isa blonde of tall and commanding appearance. She, of course, is in nowise identiged with the other blonde who was stated to hdve been en- gaged in marriage to Goodrich, and who called the day after the murder at the house. This last can be found at any time, and her name has not been published out of regard to her feelings.” “Of these three women is any one of them sus- pees of having any connection with the mur- der “There are strong suspicions against woman No. 1, and the finding of her would be a strong point in the case. ‘Thus far she has eluded the search of the detectives, bat will probably be found ultimately, There is no question that she would be able to throw a great deal of light on the affair.” THR SEVERAL THEORIES. “What do you think of the theories which have been advanced thus fart” “It is hard to say what to think of the case, but no theory advanced has been so absurd as that of a Sunday paper, which professes to give the facts of the case, but the story talls to pieces in Cig 4 way. The jack-knife with which the Spaniard, Roscoe, is said to have opened the basement win- dow with is an old one, which it has been proved belonged to the house, Ther the statement about the bed in connection with Goodrich and Mrs. Myers is preved untrue, for the hed was only ruffled on one side, where, Spacey, @ very light body had lain. The other side was undisturbed and the pillow had been untouched. As to Roscoe following Mrs. Myers and traversing the vacant lots, entering the place by the basement, they are purely imaginative, for who could possibly have given the information except the murderer him- self, If Mrs. Myers was in the front room up stairs she could not have seen these things. Then, again, it is evident that SHE COULD NOT HAVE DRESSED GOODRICH after his death. The things he had on bore the im- press of having been worn a long time, and he cer- tainly had not been undressed after the murder was committed, But the whole story is so ab- surd and devoid of truth—in fact, so infamous that it hardly deserves derying. Semebody said there was &@ Roscoe cennected with the case, and trom this undoubtedly the tissue of falsehoods was made up. ‘The interview here closed. INTERVIEW WITH CHIEF CAMPBELL. The HERALD reporter then visited Chief Camp- bell. He was courteously received by the Chief at his residence, 60 Herkimer street. After stating the object of his mission and expressing a desire to understand the exact charges upon which the bee Mrs, Myers was detained the reporter sald :— “Public opinion is now wavering between sym- pathy forthe arrested weman and condemnation of the action of the police authorities im detaining her without any positive evidence. It is the desire of the HERALD to clear this question up.” Y —I have for several days submitted with the best possible grace to all that has been said against me, and naw I feel justified in giving an explanation of our course, which I am very sure will set the Police Department right before the pub- lic, I will gladly tell you the grounds upon which the woman was arrested. Rerosrae—WHat clews did you have to begin upon TS uiRe—It will be unnecessary and unimportant at this time to state the means by which we were at once put upon the track of this woman. Suffice it to say that she was not arrested until we had established beyond a doubt that she had been seen in company with Mr. Goodrich, and that corres- pondence had passed between them ef the most intimate nature. We now come to the arrest and her subsequemt conveyance te Brooklyn pens headquarters. The evidence already published of her actions at our first interview should be sufficient to convince the public that the pelice pursued the only course open to them in detain- ing her until the arrival of superior autherities. She stated, without explaining at that time that she had been twice married, that MYERS WAS AN ASSUMED NAME. She expressed the greatest astenisament that we had possessed ourselves of the place at which she worked, because, she said, “I theught there was no one in New York or Brooklyn who knew where Twas employed. My mether did not know.” She desired to send word to her mother, bat was at first very reticent nL the address, and finally gave the men whom I sent with the mes- sage a false address, She directed them to 86 instead of 46 Rivington street. She was very par- ticular, when sie finally gave the mght address, to ask the officers to avoid informing her mether that she was in Brookiyn. Whyin Brooklyn? She be- gan by replying te my questions that she did not ut Mr. Goodrich further than rasions. She could not re- had been in his cempany meeting him on rare o member how often lately. When is if she had been to his house in Degraw street she finally ad- mitted that she had »n there three times. She could not remember any important facts regarding her whereabouts during the week in which the murder was committed, but declared that she remembered to have been at his house last on February 20. These facts were sufficient to Justity us in detaining her as a witness. RerorreR—But you certainly had many ethers, CuieF—We knew that she had kept A BOARDING HOUSE IN STANTON STREET. visitor at her house, and that he had frequently taken tea with her there. Ihaa begun my inter- view with Mrs. Myers by telling her that if she was in any way directly connected with this murder I did not want her to answer any questions which would criminate herself. I intimated, however, that y information which it was in her power to give ane would be very acceptable. Armed with the knowledge of her intimacy with Mr. Goodrich when in the Stanton street boarding house I ascertained that an altercation had occurred there one night between two men and Mr. Goodrtec! She said This action of hers convinced me that she room. Was at that time a good friend to the murdered —Did she give you the names of these she did, other is not. RerorreR—Do you know his name and where he is? One of them isin Europe; the SHE NAMES THE MURDERER. CuieF—She said:—"I know the murderer, name is Roscoe. He is a spaniard. His has fled to Sharley Good- rich.’ She said she coutd and she did give me a detailed description of the man. 1 was, of course, somewhat surprised, but I teld her I did not want to send out this description to the police of the country unless she would affirm that, to the best of her kuowiledge and belief, this man was the murderer, she readily consented, and that very night @ messenger took the despatch to the generai office of the Western Union Telegraph Company in New York. Will the public say that I was not justified in keeping the woman when they know these facts? Iam sure they will not. RerorTeR—Has this man been arrested ? Cuter—We have not received any information of the iact. But he disappeared on the day on which the murder was discovered. He wae A LOVER OF MRS, MYERS, probenility. She g@ve some additional facts y important, but which I must withhold for ‘To return, however, to our conversa- tion on that night. She declined to tell me where she had lived before going to Stanton street. She said that she kad known Charles Goodrich only two months. She then uttered the first words, which appeared to be these of a woman personally inno- cent of the crime, for had she been an accessory to the murder, cunning as she is she never would have told what she then did, When did you meet Goodrich last?” I asked, ‘On Tharsday night, THE EVENIRG BEFORE THE MURDER; We stood in frontof my house, on Rivington street,’ she answered. “About what time?’ asked 1. “Abour nine o'clock, 1 believed that it was about that time from hearing a bell ring in the vicinity,” she replied. Where did yon meet him, and how long did you dy’? T asked. met him on the corner (it is presumed she meant the Bowery), and we 8 ond talked for about peste, minutes,’ sald 3! 1 say here that the interval which elapsed hetween twenty minutes past gine and the time when Mr. Goodrich was seen the car, near his a ye a just barely sufficieat to have al- lowed him, 6 traverse the distance to the ferry, feet oa HM bows 0d take the car on which he was wane nm re, very important equal the present. Onrar—She farther told me that she had met “AN ENEMY OF CHARLEY’S” on the Saturday after the murder, but she that any reference had been made to the case. did everything I could to make her comfortable. coniess: t Ttried to suppress her name on the first night, because I was anxious to save ber repu- tatien if she was innecent. It searcely need be said that I feit myself justified im holding the wo- until some higher authority arrived. Since the Coroner and the District Attorney have taker the case of course all my power to release or com- mit has ceased. But you can see, | hope, and E feel sure that the public will see, that | did what spemes, to be my duty in arresting this womag. lere she was, A MISTRESS OF THE MURDERED MAN, believed to be and since both admitted and proved to have been a visitor at his house in 4 street, Unlike the ether woman who a pe a hove Whe.day pod the murder, es one acte a a sed Manner—refused to say anything; des fared that Mrs. Myers was an assumed neues gave & wrong direetion, and findlly admitted that she had been with Goedrich on the night of the murder, She twice refused to see her sister, an@ it was net until she had been twice urged that she consented. She acted in a very strange manner: when they were together. It has from the first bee ev t jt there was a woman in the case. ‘Tne fact that Mr. Goodrich’s other “lady friend’? was @ poer needie-woman Was already knewn to us. He a red to have taken « fancy to such women. To you it doubtless seems tiapossibie that @ man, ostensibly the owner of a row of browm stene houses, should have such @ woman for hig mistress, but we knew better. MRS. MYERS’ LAST STORY. Last night at the Brooklyn Police Headquarters it was said by a responsible party that Mrs. Myera admitted she was passing through Grand s' ten Saturday night when she met Roscoe. He ap roached her in @ familiar manner, when she re- 1d to notice him, and that was the last she saw efhim. She does not Know that he had anythi whatever to do with tne murder, and asserts t! she is in possession of no informatien that will be of any value to the authorities. THR LADY FIRST SEEN AT THE DEGRAW STARE HOUSE, A Miss Clem, and not Mrs, Allen, id to havet been the name of the lady to whom Mr. Goodrich is said to have been engaged to be married. This lady is, in the estimation of the authorities, who have made themselves familiar vrish her antece~ dents and business dd private relationship, & person of excellent deportment and unimpeachable character. She it was who visited the house of death, 731 Degraw street, on the Saturday follow< ing the murder, the 22d inst., attracted. there by reading the accounts of the awful occurrence the newspapers. She exhibited sincere grief, ant entered inte conversation with the Chief ef Police and brother of deceased. On Sunday, the 23d inst.» she attended tfie funeral serviees at the residence of Mr. W. W. Goodrich. Since then she has several, times visited the Chief of Police, amd can be found should she be wanted, which is not likely. RAILROAD SLAUGHTER. Three Cars Thrown Down am Embankment. —— TWO PERSONS KILLED AND TEN WOUNDED, Terrible Plunge of the Engine and Train. The Sinking of the Track the Cause— Names of the Killed and Wound- ed—Another Victim. CAMBRIDGE, N. Y., March 30, 1873, A dreadful accident oceurred last night at a point three miles north of this place on the Rutland and Washington division of the Rennselaer and Saratoga Railroad, by which whe con- ductor and fireman of the train were in~ stantly killed and ten passengers injured. The’ train was the “Montreal sleeping train,” which left; New York about five o’clock yesterday afternoon, and passed this village at about twelve o'clock at+ night. The point at which the accident teok place is: about three miles nerth of this village, a few rods! beyond what is known as Moore’s Crossing. CAUSE OF THE DISASTER. The accident was caused by the roadbed being undermined by the heavy rain of yesterday and the, settling of the track on the west side, Just at the point at which the track was undermined is ahigh: embankment on the side, beyond which is a deep gorge. The train consisted ofan engine, baggage car, passenger car and sleeping coach. The engine passed over the bad spot in safety, but the baggage: car ran off on the west side, the other cars follow- ing. The coupling between the engine and the baggage car not giving way, the weight and force: of the train must have caused the engine to veer to the east, and thus it went over that side! breaking the couplings. Four persons were om: the engine—the engineer and fireman, and an en- gineer and conductor of another train—two of whom were instantly killed and another .very! seriously, if not fatally, injured. Belng a Saturday’ night train, only about twenty-five passengers were aboard, most of whom: were more or less injurede The following is a LIST OF THE KILLED AND WOUNDED. Fred Downs, Salem, N. Y., conductor on the en~ gine, neck broken; leaves @ wife. Patrick Manahan, Rutland, Vt., fireman on en- gine; leaves a wife and two ehildren, INJURED. Dr. S. 8S. Fiteh, New York city, passenger; se verely injured on head and back. His case is con~ sidered doubtiul. Henry Conner, Rutland, Vt., engineer of train; four ribs broken and otherwise injured, Case very doubtful. Robert Wallace, baggage man; head and hand, Will recover. Marinus Fairchilds, Salem, N. Y., passenger; very bad cut on head and otherwise bruised. G. D. Germon, Lafayette, Ind., passenger; foot. and face hurt. Not serious, G. U. Gates, Saratoga, N, Y., passenger; pad cut on head. Joseph Houston, No. 1 King street, New York, porter on sleeping coach; severe cut on head. L. A. Haines, Poultney, Vt., passenger; very bad cut on head, Philly Lafabore, Plattsburg, N. Y., head and feet hurt. Not serious, John W. Jurden, Saratoga, passenger; head se- verely injured. John Ryan, who was on the engine, miracuiousiy escaped with little injary. A PEARPUL LEAP. The engine went dewn about fifty feet, tarning over two or three times in its course, and is a totai wreck, The cars, though they went down nearly” as steep an embamkment on the opposite side, are not in a very bad conaition. When Conductor Downs was found he was lying in the water and mud under the casing of the dome of the locomotive, with his neck broken. Fireman Manahan was found in the mud under the front of the locomotive, and it was necessary to dig some little time before his body could be got out, Man aban was out oiling the valves when the accident occurred. Immediately after the accident a messenger was despatched to this village, and station agent ©. FL Hawley, Corener Kennedy and a corps of physicians and assistants weat up. THE WOUNDED CARED FoR. The wounded were all removed toa house near by and their wounds properly dressed. Construc~ tion trains were soon after on the spot, and the track was repaired, so that the sleeping train due here from Montreal at four e’clock passed down at twelve o'clock, Most of the wounded have since proceeded on their way. Mr. Fairchilds and the engineer, Conner, were conveyed to Salem fer bet- ter accommouations, and Dr. S. 8. Fitch, at his request, brought to this village, ANOTHER VICTIM, One more will possibly be added to the list of killed, a8 a missing passenger is supposed to be under the train, Several bags of mail caught fre passenger >. from the stove in the baggage car and were destroyed, - . THE NEWARK SUICIDE, The remains of Brewster, who cut his tiffoat @ razor on night, in Newark, under the shocking circymatances related in yesterday's Sh SSN Seamed ey Dr, an thavess pevesaary