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4 him; | Ishowed him the money id if so, what was A. [remember we had some conversation fe terests to support owas a re "to be dteotod and he wanted me our people on the ($7,000), which I had f remarks, fugit: ited our towns to address cummery of hls Somphen oer re ie nestions of the day;in fact, he seemed to | 8 a lecti reat tion ? id he was. hen reais in the room; . co prapers Ly Jottings and recollephon. that the people had-wo-reason to desire to | about Clark at the drat interview with Pomeroy, | to be on the winning side ; that success would make @ money appeared to be in the origin When Mr. Crowther, the Secretary of the Senate, | now anything apdut them. Even at a State Fai | andalso at a subsequent interview, "| it oll right with” the ‘poople of my district, | bank paokages, and, Ttoink, upon all of those pack- | received the packages of bribe money he took a | which, in an agricultural community like ours, is At this time everything was going on lovely. | and that they would think I acted wisely in | ages ‘$i, was stamped or printed; there were . a great brent tie Senator could never condescend | Half of the committee and some of tie reporte! changing over in time to keep. my influence; I | six packages, each containing $1,000, ana 1 think Volume of statutes, and, standing the book on end | 14° nut in an’ appearance. or address the people. | were smoking, and York was le ning back in listened to aud talked with him about half an hour, | each package bore the date of thé month in fig. onthe desk, placed the money on the book in full | He geemed to ‘doaire to ‘ive inthe Fast ‘and to ‘use | chair with his hands clasped behind his nead and | I should think, in @ similar strain to that |have | ures; I ag bec yarrs Was on some ot view of the house and auditory. As York took bia } the West; andthe peorle, in my judgment, are now | his feet on the table. stated i I said to him that I fatied to take the samo poeytir H oy ion 7 Coy letter “B wan 4 leased that he has the privilege of remaining Witness—At the time I first refer to he spoke only | view of the matter that he did, and was satisfied | on all 0’ om 5 e. lay [I stated what * seat iaat as long as he chooses.” The people best ac- | in general terms oi Mr. Clark having come to 'fo- | that he would not get near as large a support ag | I had done and Lt yny 4 to do to-Mr. George The Greatest Political Expo- 4 DEAD HUSH nainted with the Senator here are the oMicors of | peka as Mr. Pomeroy's iriend, and generally in ref- | he expected, and that I saw no reason for my | 0. Crowther, Secretary of the Senate, and showed . OS Tested on the whole assemblage for perhapa & the great transcontinental linos of railways, and erence to the Ross letter; at the subsequent inter- | remaiming longer, that I had been informed that | him 4g ey oe Rae room as e Bowe . sure of the Age. HOW POMEROY WAS DEFEATED. A Narrative of Official Infamy All Around. Briber and Bribed Both Unmasked. York and Pomeroy’s Midnight Barter for Bribery. COQUETTING WITH THE ENEMY. The “Private Business Interview.” “Ten Thousand Dollars Was the Lowest Sum I Ought to Think of Taking.” A NECESSITY FOR VICTORY. “Thank God! Thank God! Thank God! We Can Now Redeem Our State.” —_—_ Pomeroy’s Opinion of How to “Make a Right Start.” eaeniser POLITICAL GRAVE-DIGGING. ie aeniecmeateak as How Kansas Suffers from Her Prominent Men. A New Social Scandal—Pomeroy and the Lady Clerk. HOW YORK LIFTED A LAND OFFICE. TOPEKA, Feb. 7, 1873. The political bombshell which was exploded in the Kansas Senate on Wednesday of last week,'and | demolished the temple of Samuel C. Pomeroy’s vir- | tue as a Senator of the United States and as a “Christian gentleman,” appears from present in- dications here to have been charged with Greek Ore, and has kindled a grand conflagration among the reputations of the whole constellation of legis- lators in the ‘“Jayhawker” State. Of course 1 do not mean to imply that Pomeroy’s plutocratic indu- ence was 80 potent that he succeeded in even con- cluding terms of bargain with each and every mem- ber o1 the joint legislative convention through whom he expected to be returned to the Senate for a fresh term of six years, But the scope of the resolution by which the joint committee of investi- gation of the Senate and House of Representatives was created 1s 80 vast that every member of the Kansas Legislature is or may be put upon his de- fence on the question of bribery and corruption. In order to make this letter historically succinct {t may be as weil to recapitulate briefy a few of the prominent facts of the grand expos? by stating that on Wednesday, January 29, both honses o, the Kansas Legislature assembled in joint conven, tion to elect a United States Senator to succeed Mr. Pomeroy for @ “long term,” commencing on the 4th of March next. At an informal separate ballot on the preceding day Pomeroy had de- Velopea @ strength which to all appearances INSURED HIS TRIUMPH on the first ballot on the succeeding day. Among other candidates brought forward were ex-Gover- nor Harvey, who received 24 votes; Congressman D. P. Low, 19; Dr. O. A. Logan, 13; Governor Osborn and J. J. Ingalis, the last named gentleman receiy- ing 1 vote. At the anti-Pomeroy caucus on that evening, which embraced the adherents of all other candidates, there Was a crystallization of united sentiment im favor of Ingalls, as being a man who presented nothing in his reputation which could render him in any degree assailable. An ad- ditional reason why he was selected as a standard bearer was that he was from Atchison, and his | local popularity there enabled him to divide the | Atchison delegation, which was looked upon as Pomeroy’s fortress. ‘When on the following day the joint convention Proceeded to nominations Senator A. M. York, of Montgomery county, who, up to afew days pre- | viously, was looked upon as one of the strongest | anti-Pomeroy membcrs, obtained the floor, as was | supposed, with the probable view of nominating | Pomeroy, The house was crowded to excess by spectators, including many ladies, the gallery be. ing literally jammed, York is @ man of some uncultured ability as an | orator and has 4 clear, ringing voice when tn warm or earnest debate. With slowly emphasized and clear-cutting words he then proceeded to make that extraordinary speech, which has been already published throughont the press and in which he detailed several interviews had by himself with Pomeroy in the rooms of the Jatter gentleman at a hotel in this city. He stated that he had agreed at those interviews to vote for Pomeroy in consid eration of the sum of $7,000 cash paid and $1,000 yet due. He then put his hand in his breast pocket, while yet speaking WORDS THAT WERE BLANCIING THE CHEEKS of lobbymen and legislators all around him, and Produced two packages containing the bribe money, which he handed into the custody of Lieu- tenant Governor Stover, President of the Senate, stating that that was the consideration paid him by Pomeroy tor his vote, and asking that it be counted, A similar spectacie has probably never been wit» nessed in the world, aud may never again be wit- nessed, There were men about the Speaker Just then, whose social and material existence de- pended upon the electton of senator Pomeroy, embracing probably not less than fve hundred men, who had been brought on here expressly to dobby in his interest. Some idea of their numerical strength may be gleaned from the fact that the aggregate of Pomeroy's bills, presented to nim for the maintenance of his friends by the various hotels is nearly $15,000, Even the audience reeled | under the moral concussion which bad thus swept | away in an instant, as it were, the character aud | strength of the most powerful man in the State, Men turned to each other and asked, “What does this mean?” and the questioned individuals stood jn dumb as' jnment. The reporters, who are not nnused a@ @ rule to “sensations! and rather revel in the! rgot their ocoupation, and no lite- ral transcript-of York's speech was ever taken, front of noticed a8 coquetting with vedettes, and on two or three occasions appareatly fraternizing at their camp fires. But that coquetry and fraternization were only the outward see ming of the maa, who, though pate-faced and blue-eyed, Delahay, A DANGEROUS SORT OF JUDAS, | 220 the storn nerve of a lion and the dead'y vision sadge ¥6 i of a Medusa in minute, which was painful in tts oppressiveness. Vagabonds of lobbymen, who, by years of barter- ing for men's souls and consciences, were sup- Posed to have got beyond any possible susceptl- bility of nervous shock, covered thetr faces with their hands or gazed vacaatly about the hall with pale cheeks and suspended pulse. They were all in Pomeroy’s interest, had worked industriously for their master, and had confidently anticipated victory through the far-reaching range and vigt- lance of their labors, Fer days before they had covertly exulted even in their conquest of York, who, though he had come to the capital as the the opposition column, had been the enemy's THE DRAMA IN WIICH HB FIGURED 80 prominently and so recklessly—some think trat- torously. Senator Nathan Price, of Doniphan, was | amount of the draft, and it Ig alle; the first to BREAK THE STILLNESS. He 1s & six-footer, square-shouldered, blunt, a pio- neer Kansan, and as he rose from his seat he ad- vanced toward York, speaking, ashe approached, with great emphasis, With strong gesture he stretched his hand out close to York's face and said, “While I regret deeply the disgrace tnat has falien upon Mr. Pomeroy, and would not attempt to palliate his conduct, I can nover respect the man- ner in which his overthrow has been accomplished, and can never entertain feelings other than con- tempt for this man York—this wretch who has prostituted himself to such an occupation!” The e xcitement then burst forth, and Price was hissed, not, perbanec: 80 much that he had de- nounced York as at he had constructively mourned Pomeroy’s fate. The revolution against Pomeroy was as instantaneous as it was Irresisti- ble and complete. It was the DRAMATIO PLAY AND STAGE EFFECT of the production of the bribe money that had achieved it all. If York had merely gone into a re- hearsal of some bootless attempt to buy his vote, thereby proclaiming his own virtue, it would have Produced a laugh, probably; but it looked like a Teal, live Judas throwing back the thirty Fogel of silver, with the treason hurled back on the buyer instead of consummated against the friend. Blood money is not often exhibited publicly, but here it Was tangible and visible, and so loathsome as to be uncoveted, and is yet unclaimed. An hour was spent in excited motions and coun- ter motions, and the Convention about three o’clock concluded its labors by polling the votes of 115 out of 180 members in favor of Ingalls. No de- fence of Pomeroy was made, and no man in the House dared, in the face of the public sentiment that bristled around him, to vote for the betrayed Christian statesman, Shortly after the adjournment Samuel ©. Pome- Toy was arrested on a warrant issued upon an amMdavit out of the State Courts charging mim with bribery, The defeated and cuagrined Pomeroy men also obtained a warrant, a8 a counter-stroke, charging York with accepting a bribe while hold- ing & pubitc oMcial position. On the preliminar. eXamination Pomeroy appeared by counsel an waived an examination. He was then placed un- der bonds in $20,000 to appear for trial at the June term of the District Court. York was discharged from arrest, as it was found thet the law making it a crime to accept a bribe had been repealed two ‘ears ago, in order to bring ont witnesses in the Jaldweil bribery case who would otherwise have remained quiescent on the sabject of their testi- mony for fear of being themselves incriminated and prosecuted. SINCE POMEROY'S DEFEAT the Legislature has done little or nothing in the way of regular business, but the members have de- voted themselves to the debate, amendmeat and adoption or rejection of various resolutions on the subject. The result of the legislation so far reached bas been the organization of @ joint committee of investigation, composed of Senators Guerin, Mor- Tell and Martindale, and Representatives Hutch- ings, McDermott, Scofield, Nugent and Cross, At tiines tne debate became very excited, as, by the time the resolutions empowering the committee were completed, the committee was authorized to investigate both the charge of bribery against Pomeroy and the conduct of certain members who were alleged by Mr. York, in his denunciatory and bribe exposing address before the joint convention, to have also recolved moe, from Pomeroy for their votes, In his address York did not use their names, and it was deemed necessary to give the commit- tee great latitude in reterence to the summoning of-witnesses, This very naturally excited the op- position of many members who were conscien- tiously innocent, as they did not desire that their reputations should be contaminated even by the suspicion or rumors which might originate by their being summoned to appear at all before the com- mittee. There were some who advocated the widest possible range for the committee, and there were others who much more vigorously protested | against it. A two hours’ debate took place in the House yesterday en the Mg a of con- currence in the action of the Senate in reference to striking out of the resolu- tion the words “and that the accusers shall make their charges direct and specific.” Now Sen- | ator York is the chief accuser, and outside of the factsin his knowledge of Pomeroy’s attempt to bribe him he knows nothing against any mernber, | He claims, however, that Pomeroy gave him the Dames of certain members whom he (Pomeroy) as: serted had been weaned from their fealty to the SpRoeony but, as he said in the Senate on Wednesday, he decilnes to make direct charges against any man when he has ee to preve them beyond Pomeroy’s assertions. But he ex- pressed anxiety te testify, and said he would tes- tify as to ALL THAT POMEROY HAD TOLD AIM. The resolution originated in the House, and when it came back from the Senate with the above words eliminated there was @ very warm discussion oa the question of concurring with the Senate amend. ment of elimination. Among the most vigorous opponents of concur: rence was Representative Kalioch, who, it will be re- membered, was 2 clergymen, and figured con- sploupusly, ina ad sensation a few years ago at the Tremont Temple in Boston. He is @ man of | fine personal Pepeacace, and is, undoubdtedly, the ablest speaker in the House. Most of the members are somewhut rural in thelr manners, and quite scant in their knowledge of parliamentary usage or of the arta and culture of oratory. Neéverthe- | less, they are vigorous, as might very naturally be expected of men who formed THR ADVANCE GUARD of Western civilization, and made cites grow all | over the domain of the red man and the buffalo. Seme of their illustrations, too, are ag peculiar they are foreible, For example, yesterday a mem- ber of the House, who, in consequence of peculiari- ties of manner, is called ga ote,” wanted the House to get threugh with these interminable Senatorial excitements and get down to the real legislative business of the session. He said— “Mr. Speaker, it 1s purty well known that the rat with the shortest tall gets into the hole first. I would suggest to the gentiemen of the House that they dispose of this Senatorial fight at once, git through with the proper business of the session, and iet us all hunt our holes.”’ Strange to say not a solitary laugh greeted this rather Vigorous and characteristic addreas to a braueh of the Parliament of a vast Commonwealth, Everybody understood the application thoroughiy, and took it as sedately as though it had been a gem. from the classics. Most of the members are young men, and a large majority of them wear clothes of a Plain coarse faoric, such as farmers usually wear. Their hands are large, strong and horny, and some of them wear mud y boots, and nearly all of them slouch felt hats, It most of the members of the Senate feel it bent upon themselves to wear black silk st hats, albeit they are of a style and dingine: Tammany Assemblyman or Alderman would spurned with his highly polished boot. But Many cannot, and perhaps never did, boast so hardworking, industrious and honest a set of rep- resentatives, taking them as a body, as these 80NS OF THE PRAIRIES form. Their session lasts fifty days and they are Paid $3 @ day, and when the ‘session closes they do nut appear to be much richer than when it opened, and nine out of ten of them go back to hard work, humbie and honest, though aspiring men, ameng lowly aud labor-loving con- stituenctes, Pomercy has not np tothe present taken any | notice of the investigation by the Legisiature, | though Mr. Ennis presented himself and stated that he desired to appear as counsel for Pomeroy. Permission so to appear was accorded hum, bat he did not present himself, It is said that he made the application hoping that it might be denied, and that Pomeroy’s friends might use the fact'as a “ery out’’ against the honesty and fairness of the , investigation, PUBLIC SENTIMENT is onanimous, here and throughout the State, against Pomeroy; in fact it reaches tue degree of detestation. is the wth of years, however, | and became tallized and prominent only at the recent sensational climax, ople had begun to | look upon him as a man who held the State by the | throat through the potent clutch of gold-tipped fingers. They felt that they were being used by | Mr. Pomeroy instead of being represented by him. | Itis the general belief that he held and desired | again vo hold bis tion as United States Senator | Solely for the advancement of his own financial | Schemes in the East. And in other respects he | Was certainly devoid of both good taste and shrewd- | ness. The people say that he was @ myth to them, for, while he has a nominal residenee at Atchison, he seldom—perhaps once & year—visited Jt, an then setirenty ay! rivate business, He called the people his “con- is remarked, though, that | incum- | | | tat which ags beog printed being merely a full stitoents,”’ but el never saw him. AS& resident sald to me yesterday, “He never for a few days and on his own | Clark here, and of his ‘with ae if at any time you had any conversation EACH LINE SERMED MUTUALLY INTERESTED in him. They, Of course, run after power, and though Mr. Ingalls, the Senator eleot, owes is suc- ceas to no par! ” or clique, but solely to the or accident of the dramatic exposure of Pomeroy b: York, he, too, may be enabled to interest the rati- men a8 much as Pomeroy did, @ few months hence, if he so desires. Kansas 1s, indeed, in an unhappy condition, though ‘people think that a brighter day bag dawned for her since the 29th of January. SOANDALS OF FRAUD, BRIBERY AND CORRUPTION seem to exist against noarly all of her moat prom|- nent officers, embracing mnatora Caldwell and Pomeroy, Governor Osborn, United Statey Judge Delahay, United Statea District Attorney Horton and even Senator elect Ins alig, So far as the alie- gations Spainst Osborn, Ingalls and Delahay are concern they arise out of but one transaction, and are somewhat disputed as to the facts. It ta’ charged __ that io @ —oauis in which Ingalls appeared as counsel before Delahay, Ingalis ed to pay Osporn, at that time Lieutenant Governor and & son-in-law of 500 for his influence tn inducing the it to hear a motion for a continuance on is’ client in & suit in bankruptcy. The Judge sat and the motion was granted; but when Ingalls wanted his client to pay the $500 # draft which the client protested and return @ suit was threatened forthe collection ro the ged ry set up the Lied substantial defence of ‘the ili urpose for which the promise to pay was m: ‘his is @ matter of official record, and the cirs stance is being used or agitated somewhat rae Ingalls, vow that he is a successful candidate, Be- fore that time it affected only Judge Delallay and jovernor Osborn. One of the d CHIBF CAUSBS OF DISGUST in reference to tt pels all persons concerned seems to be the low price at which they sold thomselves—a small transaction. If it had been $50,000 the munificence of the job would have in- Spired some respect. In reference to District Attorney Horton (not the J. C, Horton mentioned elsewhere), the allega- tions are very general that if any money was used In @ promisodous way in Pomeroy’s interest Hor- ton acted ag paymaster in general. He certainly paid Pomeroy’s bill, amounting to about two thou- sand dollars, at the Fifth Avenue Hotel hore. Public impression has now settled down firm! on several points in reference to the whole sabject about as follows :—Evorybody outside of Pomerey’s circle of friends and colaborers is glad he is fin- ished up, 80 as Kansas politics are con- cerned, though h some sympathy, on account of the terrible manner in which over- throw was accomplished. Everybody looks upon York as a bold, reckless man, not wholly above suspicion himself, and an individual they would never make much of a confidant of. While they profit by his work, there are none amon; em who would care about achieving a similar fame b; the same means, and everybody is pretty weil convinced that the whole exposé was nothing short of conspiracy. This morning the committee of investigation set to work fairly, and tne following is the result of the day’s work, Senator Guerim acting ag chair- man:— SENATOR ALEX. M. YORE was called as the first wipe Deing sworn testified :—My name is Alex. M. York; I thirty- four years of age, and my residence is Independ- ence, Montgomery county, Kansag;I am State Sen- ator of the Twenty-third district ot Kansas; I was present at the late United States Senatorial con- test and election in the Kansag Legislature in Jan- uary and February of 1873. ‘the witness here rose and stated that last night he had made out a detailed wfitten statement, aud that he would present it under oath to the com- mittee if they so desired. Mr. Hutchings preierred that the witness give his testimony orally, so that the committee might judge of the witness’ manuer and emphasis In giv- ing his testimony of his motives, feelings and temper in the matter. Mr. McDermott also expressed the same opinion, Representative Scofleld thought that there could be no objection to the witness reading tne state- ment in reply to @ general question as to what he knows regarding the contest and election, Senator Guerin was in favor of an oral examina- tion of the witness. Examination resumed—I arrived in Topeka on Jannary 11, to fa Piva ka at the assembling of the Legislature; J had rooms at the Tefft House; Lam acquainted with S.C. Pomeroy; after coming to Topeka [met Mr. Pomeroy, think for the first time, either on Monday or ‘Puesday morning after my arrival, in the hailatthe foot of the stairs on first floor of the Teftt House; we were passing each other; we exchanged salutations, si0ok hauds, and 1 remember he asked me to COMB AND SEE HIM. Q. State where an? when you next met Mr. Pom- eroy? A. I met him again during that week—I think it was that week; I went to his room, in compe with John Gilmore, late of Neodesha, Sansas. Q. What time in the week was this second meet- ing? A. I think it was toward the latter part of the week—Thursday or Friday. Q. Had you made previous arrangements with Mr. Pomeroy with regard to this second meeting ? A. I nad not. Q. State for what lhe coe you called on Mr, Pomeroy at that time? A. I called in the interest of Gilmore to solicit Pomeroy’s influence in getting him appointed as clerk on some committee. Q. State what was said and done at that time, if anything, between youand Mr, Pomeroy? A. Ithink | there was no reference made to anything else ex- cept the clerkship; Mr. Pomeroy said he would be | Sl) to help Mr. Gilmore and would speak to Mr, urdock about a clerkship o! his committee, Q. Was there anything sald at this time about Mr. Gilmore having been 4 supporter of Mr. Pome- roy, and, if 80, what? A. There was; l remarked to Mr. Pomeroy that Mr. Gilmore had been a sup- porter of Mr. Pomeroy while editing the Neodesha Citizen, and was still his supporter. The witness here stated that he did not desire to be understood as giving the precise language used, but as giving the substance of what was said, to the best of his recollection, and as he understood it in detailing conversations. Psd did this conversation take place ? «A, In Pomeroy’s front room, at the Teflt House, Q. Where and when did you next meet Mr. Pomeroy ? A. I next met him the following week— I think Wednesday or Thursday night—in his pri- Vate room, in rear of the room already referred to. Q. At whose request was this interview held ? | A. Iwas asked several times during that day by Mr. J. Q. Page, of Independence, to meet Mr. Pom I finally requested Mr. Page to ascertain if it would be agreeable to Mr. Pomeroy to see me in company with a friend; Mr. Page went to see Mr, Pomeroy and returned and informed me that Mr, Pomeroy would be giad to see me in company with as many friends as { chos Q, Was there any other person that asked you to call on Mr. Pomeroy except Mr. Page, and if so, who? <A. Yes, Mr. Asa Hairgo, of Independ- ence. Q. State if you consented to the interview as re- nested ¥* A. Tdid, after cousultation with W. A. ohnson and B. F. Simpson; I told them that Mr. Pomeroy wished to see me and consented to my Visiting him with a friend; they advised me to go and to take Captain George R. Peck. Q. Where was Captain Peck at tiat time? A. In Q. At what time of the day did this conversation with Simpson and Johnson occur? A. I think it was in the dusk of the evening, Q. Did you have this interview with Mr. Pomeroy in pursuance of the arrangement’ A. I did; I met him early that evening, in presence of Captain veck, John Q, Page and Representative Eldridge. Q. State, in your own language, what was SAID AND DONE AT THAT INTERVIEW. 9 A. We tirst had a general conversation regarding the Senatorial question; after a little lasked him (Pomeroy) if he wrote the Ross letter; before re- plying he took frem his pocket a letter from & Mr. Stewart, addressed, I think, to Thatcher, Lawrence, Kansas; one from a Mr, Stevens, | think, addressed to S. C. Pomeroy, and also one from Edward Clark, which letters, t believe, are the same that lave since been pub- lished ; alter reaching them to me he asked me if I believed he wrote that (the Ross) letter; | replied, “You have not told me whether you wrote it or not; he then said, “I did not write it; do you now believe I wrote it? Ireplied that i was pot prepared to say whether he wrote it or not, but would say that I regarde@ him as “the most in- famous villain that ever lived or the worst de- famed man that ever set foot en Kansas soil,” or words to that eifect; we then had some further conversation about his prospects for election; he expressed himself very sanguine, and I remember telling fim that Iwas confident that he would never be elected by this Legislature; he sald I was not rugning this campaign— Senator Guerin (sotto voce)—That's where he a, to have made a mistake, Witness continuing—And did not know as much as hedid; [told him I was helping to Tun the antl- Pomeroy side, and thought J knew more about their movements than he did; he said he knew all that took place tn our caucuses—that we had men who were selling us out; [asked him who was buying them; he satd he did not mean that they were selling for money, but would betray us; we had some further conversation and the interview oe tht f the 1 At this point one of the local reporters pre interrupted the testimony by asking, wee “HAVE I GOT TIME TO SHAR! A PENCIL?! Such is the entente cordiaie between press and politicians in Kansas, Do you recollect the uay of the month on which this conversation took place? A, L think it Was January 22 or 23, In the evening. Alter a brief discussion pro and con on the subject of admitting evidence concerning the Ross letter, the Chatrman put the question whether in the course of the witness’ conversation, heretofore referred to, Pomeroy said anything about having seen Mr. Clark in Pittsburg, Pa., with reference to TIUS ROSS LETTER, | and if so, what? A. 1 cannot state positively er at that conversation he spoke of meeting t Pittsburg; byt said that he had seen aving left. Pomeroy ia reference te this Rows letter, in which the name of Mr, Clark was mentioned, “T. D. | view he admitted having seen Mr. Clark at Pitis- burg, and that he there paid lim $100 as payment for expenses and time 1n meeting him at Pittsburg; on Sunday morning, I thi Mr, Clark expresse: his willingness to mak id of the facts to be given to the public; I dia not see Mr, Clark my- self until Monday evening; I then met him with Seuator Johason and Colonel Blood, of Lawrenee, at which time ho read to us the aMdavit he has sworn to and which has since been published; that was also before the canvass, but on the same night of my iast interview with Pomeroy, and tho conversation we there nad ited in the expo- sure of this Clark affair; Mr. Pomeroy denied bav- ing paid Mr. Clark the $2,000 said to have been pata im for claiming to have written that letter, The committee took a recess for dinner, AFTER RECESS the examination was continued as follows :— Now, Colonel, you may state when and where you had your next interview with Mr. Pomeroy, if any, A. I had my next interview with Mr. Bomeroy on Monday evening, January 27, tn bis private room. Q You will please proceed to state what you know of money or other corrupt means being used by Senator Pomeroy, or other parties in his be- half, to secure his re-clection to the United States Senate during the late Senatorial contest. . I ask that you so extend that ueation toinguire of me what led me first to lieve that Mr. Pomeroy was using moncy cor- Tuptly ? fie committee so extended the scope of the question, and the witness proceeded, A. Until Saturday night, January 25, 1 had ob- served nothing to induce me to believe that Mr. Pomeroy was pare money in buying votes, aud had frequently before that time remarked to Mr. Simpson and others that [ did not believe Mr. Pom- eroy would hazard the risk of s0 using money in the face of the Caldwell investigation, which was claiming so much public attention; that night I was couvinced thi MR. POMEROY HAD DRTERMINED TO USE MONEY from three circumstances, ‘The first was, l observed that Mr, Pomeroy’s headquarters were nearly de- serted during that evening, whercas before they had been thronged with his friends; the second circumstance was that I was told that Repre- sentatives T. B, Eldridge and I. 8S. Kalloch had each been seen to have @ $1,000 drait that they said was given to them to bet with on the result, and the third circumstance was that late in the ev Theard Mr. Billings, a member of the House, in barroom of the Tet House, declare himself very emphatically in favor of Mr, Pomeroy, and assert peer that Mr. Pomeroy’s money had not bought him; I immediately went to B. F. Simpson's room, and, after locking the door, told him that I was convinced that we had now to fight greenbocks; he asked me why I thought so, and 1 stated to lim my reasons, as already iven, and that I could not account for ir. Pomeroy’s headquarters being compara- tively deserted, at a time when the con- test was the hottest, apom any other hypothesis than that it was done so as to afford a better opportunity tor members visiting his rooms unnoticed ; that the tact, if true, of Major Eldridge and I, S Kalloch having each @ $1,000 draft, and their saying it had beem furnished them for the purpose of betting, I thought, could bear but one true interpretation—first, that it had been given them for their support by Mr. Pomeroy, which I deemed improbable, believing that if Mr. Pomeroy was using money in that way he would not give draits, but currency, amd that and more reasonable interpretation was that they were showing those draita to demoralize the Legislature by way of intimation that money was to be had; and, third, that ordinarily a man would not defend him- self until he had been charged with some oifence unless he was consciously guilty; Mr. Simpson, aiter he had listened to my reasons, said, ‘york, you are right; WE HAVE GOT GREENBACKS TO FIGHT from this time forward;” that night was the first time that I believed that Mr. Pomeroy would an- dertake to buy votes with money ; it had frequently been spoken of in our private meetings, and I think previous to that time some one—i be- lieve Mr. J.C. Horton, of Lawrence—had suggested testing Mr. Pomeroy, and, if it was true that he was buying votes, expose him; but until that might it had never been se- riously considered by the anti-Pomeroy men, to my knowledge; that night I was for the first ‘time really discouraged, and Mr, Simpson and I both thought if our conjectures were true there was no hope of defeating Mr. Pomeroy unless we could detect and expose him; I had that night been re- quested by Mr. Asa Hairgrove to have a private interview with him (Hairgrove) on the next day un ee: and, from that and the invitations I had previously had to visit Mr. Pomeroy, both Mr. Simp- son and myself believed Mr. Pomeroy was anxious to obtain my support, and, if he was | paying money to any one, might seek to gain my support in that manner; We talked about the propriety of my availing myself of such an oppor- tunity, if oifered, to expose him, but did not arrive at any definite concipsion; I did not have the ; Private interview +h Mr, Hairgrove the next day; on Monday I received from Mr. Pomero; throngh My. Huirgrove, an invitation to have rivate business interview with Mr. Pomeroy; I immediately went to Mr. Simpson and requested him to get Senator Johnson and J. C. Horton in his room as soon as possible, as Ihad something to communicate; Mr. Horton was at supper at that time, and I should suy it was about seven o'clock ; alter Mr, Horton came from supper we all came into Mr. Simpson's room in the ‘Tefft House, and, | aiter locking the door, I told them I had just been invited to hold A PRIVATE BUSINESS INTERVIEW with Mr. Pomeroy that night; we all placed the same interpretation on it—that if accepted I shouid be offered money for my vote; it was unanimously decided that 1 should make the venture, and, if offered money by Mr. Pomeroy, take it and’ expose him upon the floor of the joint convention; that it was the ony way toexpose him and prevent his election; they examined my person at that time and ascertained that I had $40 in currency and a certificate of deposit for $60 on the Kansas Valley National Bank of Topeka, which was all the the other money I had in my possession; I think there was no hour fixed when I should visit Mr. Pomeroy, bus some time that night; after I had left Mr. Simpson's room Senator Moonlight or Mr. Horton, I cannot say positively which one, told me that Colonel Blood wanted me to go at once to @ house nearly oppo- site the Fifth Avenue Hotel and see Mr. Edward Clark, and that Senator Johnson had already gone there; I went immediately, and met Mr. Clark, Colonel Blood and Senator Johnson, at which time he (Clark) read to us the affidavit that has since been published in the Daily Commonwealth and exhibited seventeen $100 bills and an express receipt for, [ think, $200 sent away by him, alleged by him to have been received from Mr. Pomeroy for signing that letter that he (Mr. Pomeroy) nad read to me, and said that he (Clark) would go before THE ANTI-POMEROY CaUCus that night and make the same statement there which he did; before he (Clark) had finished read- | ing his statement in the caucus Iasked Senator Jolson if it would not be beat for me to go and | see what Mr. rake Gane had to say before he re- ceived intelligence of Mr. Clark's disclosures, aud he thought best that I should do 80; I accordingly left the caucus and went direct to Mr. Pomeroy’s rooms; remember seeing Mr. Shimmonds, of the Lawrence 7ritmene, in the hall near Mr. Pomeroy’s rooms, and requested him to ascertain whether Mr. Pomeroy was at liberty; he went into Mr. Pomeroy’s room while I remained the door tn the hall; be came out and told me Mr. Pomeroy would be at liberty very soon, and that Colonel Martin (of the Atchison Champion) would “wink” to me when to enter; presently Colonel Martim came to tue door and nodded for me to come in; I passed through the first room into the room im rear of the same—Mr. Pomeroy's ie fe room; I should say that was somewhere between half-past eight and halfpast ten o’cloch at night; Mr. Pomeroy wasn the room, and we had considerable talk of @ general nature about the Senatorial question; we were fre- quently interrupted by parties wishing to see | him; 1 think he was called out once by Judge Hor- ton, and it was determined to postpone our inter- view until . TWELVE O'CLOCK THA? NIGHT; Mr. Pomeroy told me I could come through the parlor instead of through the other room, through which I had entered tnat time; at that interview Ido not think there was any proposition talked of, The interview was quite brief; at twelve o'ciock T returned to his private room, through the parlor; Mr. Pomcroy came to the door and said there were a number of gentiemen there, and requested me to return again at one o'clock; | remember seeing Senator Murdock in the room at that time; at one o’cloek I returned again throngh the parlor , and that time had a private interview with Mr. Pome- roy; to the best o! my opinion I was alone with him in that room at that time and @ hall to two hours; almost thing he did was to show me a list of the men he expected to vote for him on the first vote aud a list of those he expected to vote for him on the second vote; those lists were printed Senate and House rolls; those whom he said were certain to support him were marked with acircle onthe left haud side of the name, and those whom he regarded doubt(ul were marked with a character soulewhat resembling a herizon- tal S on the right hand side oi the name; to the best Of my recollection he claimed as certain thir- teen in tee Senate and forty-seven or forty-eight | in the House on the first yote, and what he Wanted particularly was to get enough togive hima ma- the first cided then; on the second vote he claimed a great | know tt Was largely over a majority; he expressed hivuself Very anxious that I should suppert him on ‘Tuesday; that he could control tne House, but HE NSEDED FOUR MORE SENATORS, and if I wonld come over he thought I could get enough more to support nim to give him a majorit in the Senate; after looking over his lists L told him I thonght he was mistaken it his estimate of the first vote; that 1 did not think he would get over forty-five in the Senate and House, and posai- bly only Hi a eg he Wanted me to tell lilm in whom I thought he was mistaken; I told him that ‘Was something could not do—to betray the secret councils of the men I had been working with; he from one | | Jotity ineach House on Tuesday and have it de- | increase, but I cannot remember tle number; T | he desired to have a private business interview with me and asked him if I was correct; he said I was correct, but until I would say I would vote for him it would not do for him to offer me money; be said that he was 100 OLD A POLITIOIAN to bribe votes (it f@ my opinion that the word “bribe” was the word used by him), but tf I would say I would vote for him I would then be Mr. J. oon, and while there counted the money; also Senator Johnson, but not ther; the wrappings around the packages remained the same from the time Mr. Pomeroy handed them to me untill passed them into the hands of the Secretary of the Senate in joint convention on Wednesday; at one of these interviews I had with Mr. Simpsoh it was suggested that the money ($7,000) should be given one of hia friends, and said he had a perfect right to help me the same as he would any of his friends; I told him I could not under any circumstances say I would vote for him on Tue: nH that I must vote for Mr. Lowe then, even jf.I should decide to vote for him (Pomeroy) on Weanesday ; he said, “Welt Bay you will vote for me on Wednesday,” I think were his exact words; I reflected a moment and then said, “I will vote for you on Wednesday, with the privilege of reconsideration; he then asked me what I wanted; I told him tt was not for me to say; he then said, “I will give fin $5,000; I told hin it was evident to me that he didn’t place a very high estimate on my services. Representative Scoficid (sotto voce)—They were wretchedly ineficicnt services to him for even that Price. lear tladdl Witness—' seemed to astonish him, and he replied, “Why, $5, fy sum—it ip alinost a fortune think those were the precise words; I said that under some cena tances it was @ large sum, but we might wel LOOK THIS MATTER SQUARELY IN TIB FAC! and call things by right names—that if I took the money and voted for him it was a bargain and ssie, and it was useless to try and make anything else out of it; that he was asking me to risk every- thing—reputation, honor, character, the confidence of my friends, and $5,000 was a small amount for what he asked; he then asked me what I thought T ought to have; I said that $10,000 was certainly the lowest sum i ought to think of taking; he said he would nct think of paying any such amount if it was not that he knew I bore a good reputation at home and was regarded as @ man of truth, and if he paid me that amount he would do it only ino consideration of the services I could render him in joint convention; that when I got Bp to explain my vote in joint convention and should say I had investigated the charges against him and found them Jalse and malicious calumnies, that it would be belfeved by a great many, and would throw the opposition into confusion; he represented that it Was @ matter of absolute necessity that he should win; that, let it cost what it might, he must go through, and that he would give me $10,000, but wanted binety days’ time on half of it; I told him if I made any arrangement it had potter be a cash transaction; that it wasa delicate matter and I nd prefer to have the cash; he answered me a HIS WORD WAS AS GOOD AS GOLD and that he would surely pay it; I asked himifhe had not @ had similar transaction with Milton Reynolds ‘a few years ago, and pleaded want of consideration When sued; he represented that that was to hel to build up the party, and “Milt.” had not serve the party as he agreed; he then agreed to give me $8,000, but could not let me have it all then, as he had been paying out agreat deal, but would pay me $1,000 then, $5,000 the next day (Tuesday) and $2,000 the day following; that he had sent to At- chison for more funds and would get them to- morrow (Tuesday); he then went to a trank and took out a By of $1,000 and laid it on the table; told him he had better make it $2,000 the! $4,000 «next be (Tues- day, and $2,000 the day after; he said very well, and took a pocketbook from his side pocket, and counted out $1,000 In $100 and $50 bills, and placed it with the other $1,000, which I then took and put in my inside vest pocket; Mr. Pome- roy then told me who were acting as spies in our (the amti-Pomeroy) camp. THE PRESS PRESSED OUT. - At this stage Messrs. Hutchings dnd Scofleld ad- dressed the committee, urging that the room be cleared, as the developments about to be made might be in the end proved wholly unfounded, and that it would be inexpedient, asit was also unjust, tomake public the names of persons implicated Hs Mr. Pomeroy. lt was not diMcult to carry the motion tor exclusion, and the reporters, the only unofficial pereers privileged to be present at any part of the proceedings, went out and lounged about the House and Senate Chamber. A few of phen climbed to the roof of the Capitol building and took in a magnificent view of the prairies that stretch away, undulating and brown, to the horizon on every hand, Before the reporters leit Mr. York expressed his fullest confidence that none of the gentlemen im- plicated by Mr. Pomeroy as spies in the opposition camp had been actually corrupted by him. (In the joint convention Mr. York declared in effect that he knew members who had Pomeroy’s money in their pockets, and called “high heaven’ at the close of his speech to witness the truth of all he had declared at that time.) After the lapse of halfan hour the doors of the room Were again opened and the Witness resamed—And that he haa THE SUPPORT OF EVERY RAILROAD inthe State; that he had forced the Lawrence, Leavenworth and Guif Railroad to help him, and the railroad printing from T. D. Thatcher, and that he (Pomeroy) had demanded that Solon Thatcher be discharged as the attorney of that road; that the first thing after his election he would com- mence on our Representatives in Congress at Washington; that he would see to it that the: should not have any influence or standing in poiiti- cal circles, and also that he would svt the machinery | to work to DEFEAT EVERY ONE OF THEM | in two years from now; that they would learn that it would not do to combine against him; he also | Tepresented to me that it had all been arranged that if I went with them (the Pomeroy men) I was to be the next Representative in Congress from Southern Kansas; that they had to have some men at Independence to work with them; that I was vhe man they wanted; that Independence was onc of ne Ponce centres of the State, and that 1 was located just right to go to Congress two years from now; he assured me that 1 had made the right start that ae Canghiter) tant from that time forward I would find it easy ; tl he was @ true friend to those that stood by hima, and had mone; and influence to help his friends, and whenever wanted money to let him know; at that interview Mr. Pomeroy informed me that he had paid the had not bought any votes; APTER LEAVING HIS ROOM I met Senator crichton o1 the stairs j he asked me What I was up to, and I made & Jesting Teply to “Never mind,” and he replied ina similar strain that he knew what I was at; I think I came out at the parlor door; I know I entered both the last times at that door; he (Crichton) passed on up | stairs and I went to Mr. Simpson's room, on first Noor, Tedt House; he (Simpson) was silil up; I shouid say it was nearly three o'clock in the morn- ings some one was in Simpson's bed, apparently asleep, PD. By Mr. McDermott sotto voce)—Did that person | have long hair? (Laughter.) A. No; it was some | friend of Simpson's. Mr. Hatchings—I think wea | sex of the person in bed is setti by the witness’ | Statement that Simpson was still “pitting up.’ (Laughter.) Witness, resuming—Mr. Simpson and I went to the rear end of the room, and ceived $2,000 from Mr, Pomeroy ; he then threw back his han nd head and saidins whisper, “Thank God! thank God!! thank God!!! we can ‘now re- deem our State!” he seized me by the hand in the most intense sxcitement and said, “York, I never ‘Was more grateful ior spying je my life;” I re- mained with him nearly am hour conversing in | whispers in @ very low tone; [ showed him the money ($2,000) by ‘unbuttoning my vest, but did | hot take it out of my pocket because of thg bed | being occupied; I don’t know the name of THE MAN IN THE BED; he was a friend of Siinpson’s; that morning before breaktast J informed Senator Johnson of the result of my interview with Mr, Pomeroy, and had him count the $2,000; after leaving Mr. Simpson's room J went to room 110 (Tefft House) and passed through a communicating room to room 112, and found my bed yen ae by Captain Peck and some other gen- tlemen; | then went down to the barroom, Hf 7 down @ short time by the stove; several ot! were there; I remember seeing and talking ex-Senator E. G. Ross; presently [laid down the counter, and remained there, I should until between six and seven o'clock that morn: estion as to the j that morping I had my | eo removed from the Tefft House fo the residence af Mr. Ross. At this time a recess was taken for supper. On the reassembling of the committee at half. past seven o'clock the | | Witness resnmed—I kept my room most of that da Xcept While in the Senate; some time duriug tue afternoon [ called at Representative i. B. Eldridge’s room and requested him to learn at what time Mr. Pomeroy desired to see me; when | Mr. Eldridge returned he said Mr. Pomeroy would see me at four P.M. in one of Eldridge’s rooms; | | at five minutes to four I went to tie room and Mr, | Pomeroy as came in; when he came a brother of Mr. Bldri ‘was in the room with me; | Mr, Pomeroy aid he thought Eldridge was there, | | Dut said it Was no matter; Mr. Eldridge lett the room almost immediately :; Pomeroy and [ then took seats, and he took from his pocket a package done up in brown paper, Wed With twine, aud banded 1 to me, saying, | “THERE 18 FIVE THOUSAND DOLLANS,” { and at the same time took from his pocket a pocketbook and opened it; 1 saw that it contained currency; [asked him tf he had concinded to pay me $5,000 instead of $4,000 as agreed; he then said he would like to take $1,000 out of: that package; I | replied that he had better leave it as it was, and | he said “Very weil,” and put bis pocketbook back in his pocket; he said he would pay me the other } $1,000 next day; I put the gockage in the inside | pocket of my overcoat; Mr. Pomeroy said he would like tohave ine come into the caucus that | | evening; I told him that I was up nearly all night Aud was all worn out, and thought I had better go | to my room and get a good night's rest to prepare myself for the morrow, as T intended DO MY MOST RFFECTIVE WORK on the floor of the Joint convention; here our in- | terview ended, and I have not seen Mr. Pomeroy poe, Captain George KR. Peck stayed with me on Tuesd th oe. and on that Mee: | 1 told him What I had doue aad proposed to de the next day; that Mr. Kalloch had an order in his pocket to take | campaign expenses of some of the members, but | told him J nad re- \ si) State schvol fund, but it was subsequent! though best to give it into the hands a the Legislature to defray the expense of investi- gat the charges against Mr. Pomeroy; I desire _ tion—that the allege . S. and Mt $1,000 draft were imparted to me by John M. Price, of Atchison. closed for the present the direct ex: tion of the witness, ana The Uhairman (Senator Guerin) then opened THE CROSS-EXAMIN ATION. Q. Did Mr. Pomeroy ever pay or cause to be pala the $1,000 which he was to pay on the Wednesday f A. He did not. and Mr. yey each havin Lf Q In consideration of the $7,000 paid to you by Mr. Pomeroy, did you or did you not agree to give to him in recurn consideration than the prom- tl ise to vote for him United States Senator? A. Q. Does Mr. Pomeroy, to. your knowledge, hold your note for any sum orsums of money whatever? A. He does not. Q. Was the $7,000 patd upon the sole considera- tion that you should vote for and support him for the United States Senate? A, There was no other consideration than tixt already stated, By Mr. Morrell—Have you at any time, by letter or otherwise, applied to Mr. Pomeroy for a loan of money? A. {have not. id John J. Ingalls, Senator elect, know any- thing of the transaction so far as your knowledge extends? A. He did net. Q. By Mr. Hutchings—Were you acquaintea with Mr. Pomeroy belore you met him at the Tefft House? A. I was, Q. How lohg had you known him? a.I think I formed his acquaintance in the Fall of 1871, Q. Have you ever visited him at his house in Washington? A. I have—in January, 1872, aud not since; I did not at that time BORROW ANY MONEY OF HIM, nor arrange to get money of himin the future; } did not av that time pay Mr. Pomeroy any money; I think I never spoke to him but on seven diferent occasions, Did you not, on the afternoon of January 27, 1873, call at the door of the parlor leading to the parlor of the Tefit House to Mr. Poweroy’s room and request an interview with him? A. I have no recollection of doing 80; 1 do not remem- ber doing so, a3 has been stated to parties by Mr. D, M. Adums; I cannot say whether Mr. Horton or Mr, Crichton was in the parlor or not when i via- ited Pomeroy and obtained the $3,000, Q. When did you first form the intention of ex- posing Senator Pomeroy in the manner testified to? A. The first time I considered the matter se- riously was on the Saturday night previous, but I did not fully determine to do so until Mondaye ven- ing, January 27, Q. Did you form this plan, or was it suggested to ou by J. U, Horton or any other persons? A, While Lhad heard it mentioned pee ouaLy, I never considered it seriously until as already stated, and cannot say whether the project originated in my own mind or at the suggestion of others, Q. When the plan was matured how many per- sons were privy to it and what are their names? A. When the plan was determined upon on Mon- day night the only pergous privy to were B, F. Simpson, ‘ Q, Hortsii, Senator Johnson and yon self, and the only persors I ever communicated it 40 Were George Peck and Secretary George 0, Crowther, % Q. When you made your statement in the joint convention did you not understand that Lientenant Governor Stover had been iaformed of the matter? A. Ldid not, but want vo make explanation that Mr. Crowther said that morning he wouid give Mr. Stover to understand that WHEN I AROSE 10 SPRAK it was allright; whenI came over to the Senate Chamber for the first time that day, at forty-five minutes past eleven A. M., I asked Mr. Crowther tf he had spoken to Mr, Stover of it, and understood that he had not, Q. Did you know that the parties, or some of those who were privy to the arrangement, had previously solicited Senator Walker to act the part you took, and that he refased? A, I never did. Q. Was not your only object in going to Mr. Pomeroy’s room that night to get him to offer you money and then expose him? A. It was my object to take monuy trom him if he offered it, and ex- pore a inthe manner I did; 1 had no other ‘object. Q. That was your only object. Why did you exact more than $5,000 when he offered you that? A. Well, it was with the object of seeing how much he would pay tor votes. Q. Could you not have exposed him with $5,000 just as well as with more? A. I think I could. Q. Was it not a part of your arrangement that you were to get as much as possible, and, if you | could defeat him without it, not to expose matterst A. It Was not, in anything I ever had knowledge of | or anything todo with; such a thing was never | breathed to me by a living mortal. | _ Q. Did it not suggest itseii to you after you got $2,000 that you might force Pomeroy to ithdraw without taking the other $5,000? A. It did not. Q. Was there any understanding at the time the pian was matured what would be done with the oney, and if 80, what? A, I think there was, and - hat Was that it should be donated to the State scion] fund, and I had no other purpose until either Tuesday night or Wednesday morning, and I sug- Beacon to either Captain Peck or J, O, Horton or ote pia shouid be disposed of in the manner adopted, | _Q The first time you went to Mr. Pomeroy’s room you asked him to LEND YOU HIS INVLUENCE | to assist Mr. Gilmore, did you not? A. Yes. | _. Do you think Mr. Pomeroy would have offered | you money if you had not indicated to him that you Would sell your vote ? A. I do. Q. At th had bee! time you arose to go and said that you jniormed that he wanted @ “business interview” with you had Pomeroy said anything about paying you money? A. [think not. Q. Did you not by that remark intend to convey | that you would accept money? A, I did. Q. Then, do you not consider that you placed the temptation before Mr, Pomeroy yourself? A. Mr. Fomerey had already determined to bay my vote tI would sell, and had indicated the same to me | by the invitation sent to me to hoid a private busi- | hess interview with him, and I contributed to | his beliet that I would sell, and in that manner may | have strengthened his purpose. ’ 9. Had Mr. Pomeroy ever asked you to see him before you solicited a favor for Gilmore? A. Yes. Q. When? A, At the time | met him at the foot | of the stairs. | Q What did he say? A. [cannot remember his | @Xact words, but when we snook hands he said in | Substance that he had expected to see me before | that, and requested me to call on him. Q. De you think, considering the former relations between you and Mr. Pomeroy, that social oonsid- erations would juStity such a request? A, lam in- clined to think they would, Q. Had you not before that time business trans- | actions with Mr. Pomeroy c moerning. the interests of your city? A. I went to Washington as the agent of my city to secure the removal of the Land Ontice there, and SOLICITED MR, POMEROY'S INFLUENCE. Q. Was net B. F. Simpson a candidate for United States Senator? A. I kaow that he was not and had refused 1t; my name was never presented as a candidate, to ony Q. Did you not say, om the floor of the joint con- vention, in substance, that you knew the names of members ef the House who hada Pomeroy’s money in their pockets, and that at the proper time you would expose them? A.J cannot say what expres- sions I may have made, but have no recollection of saying anything that could be construed to convey that meaning; 1 never intended to apply any im- utations to members of the Legislature; in tho ginning ¥, the §) Safed calm and spoke de- ‘ate’ as as I pre ae 1 BECAME BXCITRD and perhaps made some extravagant expressions, Q In your examination you have stated that Mr. Pomeroy only mentioned three names. Do you de- sire to be understood that your imputations on the floor of the convention extended only to those three persons? A. I don’t think | had the name of any eee ee erwant Be m: mine . Do youknow, either directly or indirectly, or from the statements of Mr. Pomeroy to von, that any member of the Legislature received any money or other consideration to influence his vote in the Senatorial eicctiont A. Nothing farther than § have stated, By Mr. Scofleld—Do = know, or have you any reason to believe, that John J, Ingalis had Ehouege of the transaction between yourself aud Mr, Pomeroy, prior to your declaration of them in the convention’ I do not, Q. Had you, or, to your knowledge, the persons associated with you in this transaction, any inten- tion of supporting Mr. Ingalls for Senator prior to his nomination by the anti-i’omeroy caucus at a late hour of Tuesday night, and subsequent to the payment to you of the money mentioned in your testimony? A. T aid not; I have never seen Mr, Ingalls to Know him to this day; Unever received or sent any communication from or to him on any matter whatever, By Mr. McDermott—Is Mr. Benjamin F. Simpson a meinber of this Legisiature? A. He is not. Q Why, then, did yeu confer with him, as you have stated f A. Becausel believed him to be @ true man and honestly working to overthrow the rule of corruption in our State, Q. Can you give the exact words of the invitation to visit Mr. Pomeroy extended to you through Mr, Hairgrove? A, [sien't think T ean. r” in the igterview with Mr. Pomeroy, when he paid you $2,000, was anything suid by either you or tim about rity oil YOUR PonsER INTERCOURSE in the matter of the removal of the Humbo! c Oftice {As [do not think tere Was — By Mr. Cross—Did you ever have any corrupt dealings with Mr. Pomeroy tn reference to the re Mmoval of the Land Oitice from Humboldt to Inde pendence ¥ ‘The witness here rose and said that thigxquestion Opened up another subject aad that he-desired