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4 CAMBETTA. Interview of a Herald Correspondent with the Great French Republican. NEW YORK HERALD, FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 27, 1872.—TRIPLE SHEET. strong enough to govern the country either with or without M. Thiers, STABILITY OF THE REPUBLIC. OoRnREsPONDENT—What will that majority be f M. Gamberra—I have no hesitation in saying tt will be three-fourths republican, The French rarely do things by halves, and although as a peo- ple they would submit to any régime when forced upon them, if lett to themselves thoy will undoubt- edly decide for the republic: frst, because they have found it to sult them better than any other BRIGHT SKIES FOR FRAN CE. form of government; second, because tt is the gov- The Weakness and Approaching Dissolution of the Na- tional Assembly. ee THIERS ITS ACT AY ~ el ac REPUBLICANS AS CONSERVATIVES, Monarchists in the Helpless Condition of Con- 1 spirators and Plotters of Insurrection. WILL THEY BUILD BARRICADES ? The Republicans Will Support M. Thiers While He Upholds the Republic. EDUCATION FOR THE PEOPLE. (a France To Be Revenged Upon Germany by Peace, Prosperity and Greatness, RECOVERY OF THE PROVINCES. Wait Till Germany is at War---Then Will Frazee Reconquer Alsace and Lorraine, Pants, Sept. 12, 1 I found Gambetta still living in the modest apart- mentsin the Rue de Montaigne. It is on the first floor above the entresol and consists of probably a suit of half a dozen small but comtortable rooms open- ing ona court on one side, on the quiet little Rue de Montaigne on the other. Upon entering you pass first through the library, or rather store room of books, for it is too small and ill-lighted to serve all the purposes of a library; thence into a small dining room, or what seems to be such, on the left of which is a small room serving as a waiting room and study, usually occupied by his secretary, a young Parisian lawyer and journalist. After a few minutes’ waiting I was shown by the latter into a neatly furnished parlor, whose principal ornament wasasmall group of statuary in bronze repre- senting a dying man, a wild-faced woman trying to shield him and a frightened child cronching and hidtng in her robes, upon the base of which was in- Beribed In French, QO ICON LPLELOTEELEELE ALLELE DETEFEDELELEDOPEDOEE IE 3 To Leon Gambetta, by the gr: of Alsace and Lorraine. Qrnnenneeceneee sere tese net taeet TPPEPE TE POLE TEED DOLE It would seem that the people of those province: at least, did not look nrieur for wishing to continue the unequal strug- gle, but that on the contrary they regarded him as the only real friend they had; almost the only man In France who did not act the cowardly part of abandoning them to their fate, after having made them bear for months the brunt of the war. It is all very well to talk about the impossibility of con- tinuing the contest, but had the rest of the French eful inhabitants 3 people been willing to undergo the privations and | horrors they condemned the people of these two provinces to suffer, the result of the struggle vould have been very different. Like Artemus Ward, they were willing to sacrifice their “poor relations” of Alsace and Lorraine as long as the war raged around Metz and Strasbourg, but when the scourge fApproached their own homes their patriotism changed its character, and the same men who had been most clamorous for war, whose cries of ‘A Berlin!” had been the loudest were now the very men to turn upon Gambetta and de- nounce him as a ‘fou furicux for refusing to abandon these provinces to their fate. The Al- fatians have apparently not forgotten this, if one Js to judge by the group in question. Thad just entered on a train of thought some- thing like this when Mr. Gambetta came in and cordially extended me his hand, “You seem to have triends in Germany, Mr. Gam- betta,” I remarked, pointing to the statuary in question. “Yes,” he replied, regarding {t rather sadly, “I have, I believe, as warm friends there as in France, and I know I have fewer enemies.” CORRESPONDENT—I should judge, however, that the Republic, and consequently you, whose name /s 80 intimately connected with it, have fewer enemics than you had this time last year. M. Gamserra—That is very true; the situation within the last year has greatly changed for the better. This time a year ago, we had not en- tirely recovered from the astonishment in which we had been thrown by the fearful astrophe of the Commune, which many confounded with the Republic; everything was in confusion and dis- order; no one knew what aday might bring forth, and if at that time the monarchists had found among them a man bold enough to risk his head, and strike the blow, it would have been all over with the republic, Since then we have been gain” ing strength, however, slowly but surely, and the monarchists, who are at last beginning to perceive this fact, are in despair, to work steadily and quietly for the consolidation of the Republic in order to establish it upon a solid foundation. Our watchword now, is “Work and wait.” w AKNESS OF THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY. CoRRESPONDENT—So you think the present situa- tion can last long? M. Gamperra—I do not. The National Assembly {s fast losing all tne consideration it ever had in the country. Beaten, builied and humiliated by M. Thiers, it has allowed itself to become a simple register of his will, and it no more serves the pur- poses of real legislation than did the old Corps Légisiatif of M. Rouher. Instead of compelling M. ‘Thiers to do its will, {t is tyranized over by him and made to do his bidding, for the simple reason that itis composed of such incongruous elements that it cannot be united on any important matter except through the very pressure exercised by him, The result Is that its members do not even represent themselves, not to speak of the country; M. Thiers loos not represent either the country or the As- sembly, and the consequence is that between them the country is not represented at ail. THE DISSOLUTION OF THE ASSEMBLY. Cornesron DENT—How will it all end? M. GAMBETTA—Tho Assembly being now ad- journed for the summer vacation, the members re- turned to their constituents, See how unpopular they have become, how little sympathy or real support they have in the country; that the coun- try, in short, is against them, They will come back to Versailles discouraged and demoralized, and M, Thiers will browbeat them more than ever, When they shall once become convinced of their own uselessness, Incapacity and the absurdity of their position, as the country already is, some one will propose a dissolution of the Assembly to make way for @ constituent body; they will vote for the proposition out of sheer despair, A new Assem- bly will be elected which will possésd & majority {| upon Gambetta as a sou | At present we have only | ernment. There is and always has been a large conservative party in France, who, because they love above all things order and supported the gov- ernment de fatt, whatever that might happen to be, were supposed to be monarchists. It is a great mistake, and the proof ts that this very conserva- tive party is now one of the strongest supports of the Rene" They are possibly neither very ag nor very decided monarchists, ‘n supporting the government, at now to be a Republic. If the m they will vote for the Re- ‘eason that they voted “out” .« pwcotscite of the Empire—because -verthrow of the existing state of things can- not be accomplished without civil war. THR POWER OF M, THIERS. CORRESPONDENT—I suppose the Right would say the present government is not a Republic ? M. GamBgrTa—it is too late to say that, They have agreed to undertake the essat loyale of the Re- public; they have made M. Thiers President of the Republic, and they cannot now say that it is not the Republic, Iam willing to grant that they were foolish to make M, Thiers President of the Repub- lic when they did not want a Republic, and to agree to the essaé loyale when they did not mean it; but it is too late now, and the very fact of their having done so is @ convincing proof of their incapacity and unfitness to rule the country, There Is not cohesion enough among them to form a majority, They cannot even unite upon a leader; and although they are perfectly well aware that they do not represent the country, they cling to the semblance of authority by which M. Thiers amuses them with a stupid, unrea- soning obstinacy of which only a monarchist is ca- pable, They have neither the power to govern, nor the good sense to give place to @ new As- sembly, The consequence is that M. Thiers is as completely master of the situation as ever was Napoleon ll. in the palmiest days of the Empire, CORRESPONDENT—So you think there ts no danger of their replacing M. Thiers by somebody more congenial to their tastes ? M. Gamprrra—Not in the least. Propose whom they will, there will be found @ heavy majority against him, There is absolutely not one other man tn France who could get a majority, or even a plurality, of votes In this Assembly, No, the ouly course left open to them is to dissolve, CORRESPONDENT—In which case, of course, much will depend on the influence of M. Thiers, TUIERS EMULATES WASHINGTON. ConnesPonDENT—Do you think he really wishes to found the republic ? M. Gamberra—I do, In the first place he was born arepublican, In the second, he is too clear- leaded not to see that no other form of gover ment will now succeed in France, and he is too clever not to prefer playing the rdle of Washington to that of Monok. Besides, M. Thiers, whatever else may be sald of him, Is certainly a great patriot, and is now, I am sure, perfectly convinced that France can only be saved by the Republic, He will therefore, when it comes to that issue, support It with all the tenacity of which he is capable. MONARCHISTS AND REPUBLICANS HAVE OHANGED PLACES, CoRRESPONDENT—Do you think he would pe dis- | posed to put down any attempt to overthrow the | Republic with the strong hand? M. GaMBETTA—Certainly, And he would surely crush @ monarchical insurrection as lie did that of the Commune, and with the same right, The truth ® | Is, the monarchists are in a very awkward position, Hitherto having always had things thelr own way, they denounced the republicans ag plotters against | the government, disturbers of the public peace, | demagogues who were willing to create a civil war for the accomplishment of thelr mere partisan purposes. We were denounced as fuctiewx scrib- lers in the papers, men who did not kuow what | they wanted, and we were given all the hard names in the vocabulary, Well, now the tables are turned; we are the supporters of the government, we are the party of order and of moderation, we are the great conservative party of the country, | to whose standard all the honn?¢e gens are invited to rally, and the monarchista are obliged to play the role of PLOTTERS AND CONSPIRERS. They are the demagogues, the factieux, who are willing to sacrifice the country to thelr devotion toa dynasty or a man; and we shall probably sce them sooner or later going down into the streets, throwing up barricades and ratsing émeutes. They are Just now being paid back tn their own coin, and they do not like It. CORRESPONDENT—The republicans are disposed just now to heartily support M. Thiers, are they not ? M. GambeTTa—Yi that is, as far a3 he shows himself disposed to sustain the Republic, Taey do not believe in many of his ideas with regard to protection, education, finance, the reor, zation of the army, his foreign policy; in fact I may say | that on nearly all these subjects they | have entirely different views, but they re- | gard the establishment of the Republic as the first great object to be obtained, and they are reasonable enough to understand that everything | cannot be obtained at once. They are, therefore, | inclined to compromise in everything except the | Republic, believing that if it 1s once firmly estab- | lished everything else will follow. Now, M. Thiers | has shown himself decidedly in favor of matntain- | ing the Republic. They will, therefore, sink minor considerations and support bim, CORRESPONDENT—I should say that you and M. | Thiers working together would make a strong | team, M. GaMpeTTa—I think M. Thiers, with the assist- ance of the republican party, will, in view of the | weakness and division of his opponents, their want of cohesion and inability to choose a leader, be able to keep them in check until they are obliged to give | way to anew Assembly, after which we have no apprehensions as to the result, WAR WITH GERMANY. CORRESPONDENT—Do you not think France will soon be in a condition to recommence the war with | | Germany, and that the nation will demand it? M. GawbeTra (after some consideration) —1 undoubtedly think that France will soon haye in a great measure recovered from the effects of | the war, and that those who thought her prostrated for fifty years were very much mistaken, | the! , 1 do not think the nation will be at all dis- posed to attack Germany very soon upon the simple question of revenge. Certainly, if a good | occasion should oifer, if Germany should become | enguged in a war clsewhere, we would not hesitate & moment in recovering Alsa nd Lorraine. Still, | for iny part, | look upon France as being altogether out of the fame of European polities for the pres- ent, We are only lookers-on, Like the Emperors who lately met in Berlin, we want no war, While eneral peace lasts we will consolidate the », establish our finances on a good foo’ ns to recover our prosperity, en: courage commerce and agriculture; above all, we must educate the people, and it is pon education | move than anything else that [rely for the REI RATION OF FR We will, in short, Never. | ablish a republic so great, so howerul, so benign in tts Influence, that it will’ by ‘he mere foree of example, without having re- | se to arms or striking a blow, sweep the rotten | German Empire from the face of the earth. And iis shall be our revenge—a better ong, I think, than can be had Ina resort to arma, M2 ak | _ CORRESPONDENT—But, as a matter of economy, would it not be cheaper, M. Gambetta, Instead of paying the last instalments of the didemuliy to tell the Germans to come and take them ? M. GaMBerra—Perhaps it woukl; but the honor | of the country is engaged, and we must pay the | debtin full, We ougit uever to have given our we ought never to lave taken upon our shoul. ich a debt. T opposed it then, and am pro- founaly conviaced that it would have been cheaper to continue the war than submit to such exactions vhat in a year more we could have driven the Ger- mans froin the country; but it is too late now. The | honor of the nation is pledged, and we must pay | the debt in full, In any case we can only watt Tie present situation of Europe cannot last very long, in spite of the wishes of Imperial couferences. if anything should occur which we can turn to advan. | tage we shall certuinly do 80; but as to recom mencing the war (or revenge, the Preach people do | not think of th | | State—and the theme of their | prominently Andrew Jobnson and, in a secondary | friend how: | might TENNESSEE'S TRIO. Andy Johnson, Cheatham and Maynard Speak. The Triangular Square Fight Continued. Johnson’s Address to a Half Radical, Half Rebel Audience. es Eloquent Appeal Flat. Fis Falls He Contrasts Crant with Washington. INTERVIEW WITH THE EX-PRESIDENT. ayes He Defends His Action in the Case of Mrs. Surratt. JonEsBORO, Tonn., Sept. 23, 1972, This is the oldest town in Tennessee and the capltal of Washington county, Founded over a hundred years ago by tired, footsoore pioneers from Virginia, it grew in the lapse of several decades to be a quiet somaiferous little village, and thus it has remained ever since, It was shaken violently out of its sleep by the rebellion, but when that unhappy event ceased to be of tnterest Jonesboro returned to iis sluibers, And yet strangely exciting events have happened all around the region of which this is the centre. The fiercest aspects of civil war might have been wit- nessed from the old-fashioned station house where Tam writing this letter, Rebel and Unionist have alternately won the upperhand, the victor retaliat- ing on the conquered with fendish barbarity, The atmosphere of this now peaceful place once upon a time breathed nothing but MAN'S INILUMANITY TO MAN, of dally homicides and assassinations, of shootings, hangings, midalght whtppings and all manner of shocking excesses, All this, too, among men of the same blood, language and religion. These high, bine, wavy hills to the left, this billowy orchard and corn country to the right, were given up to the fierce guerillas, to-day belonging to the Union and to-morrow to the rebel side. For quite a stretch of time the reign of the rebels prevailed over East ‘Tennessee, and unhappy was the lot of the Union herey Delonel Leadbetter was of the Crom- wellian breed, and woe to the unfortunate Untonist who avowed ils sentiinents before him. The houso yonder at the shady side of the little street of Jonesboro sheltered @ Union family; — th! opposite one roofed in a household of the strong secession type, Tho united farailies numbered twenty-three persons, out of which large circle but one is above the carth to-day—an old woman, gray, weak and worn and fast tottering to the grave. Every man of both housenaolds was killed in the rible vendetta, and the women ail but one perished of broken hearts. I mention these things to show you that political feeling in a coun- try which passed through so strange and bloody an experience a3 Tennessee must have a different color and expression than ordinarily. Three such men as Cheatham, Johnson and Maynard passing through a region like East Tennessee and speaking with bitter partisanship to the people awaken all the dark and sanguinary memories of tho past. The rebel youth who lost his father in the flerce Unton foray, or the Union father who lost his son to the wanton vengeanco of the Southern bushwhackers, cannot be expected to listen to these men with calm indimference, And the candidates themselves know this, They know that he who poppers the highest—who caters to the awakened prejudices of the past—will have the oudost applause, even though he fati to have ti largest support. Tue latter he secures in the loag run, BROWNLOW'S REIGN IN TENNESSEE. Though during the war st Tennessee was a perfect hell upon earth, yet it seems {tt was little better of during all Brownlow’s carecr as Governor, from 1865 to 1863. Brownlow inaugurated a reign of terror. He employed the lowest scuin of the population pretending to be Union people. to carry on the local overnment. These wretches determined on he extermination of the old familles, With the urge and the rife they drove thousands from tueir homes across the border into West Virginia, Then none but those outbawling themselves as Unionists were permitted to vote or hold eiice. The refugees who took shelter in Virginia, forced by violence to relinquish their old lands and home- steads, could hardly be expected to cherish a spirit of Christian forgiveness for thelr remorseless per- secutors, Finally the reign of Brownlow ceased, Senter, the anti-proscriptioa candidate, trlumphed, and all men were declared free and equal before the law. Many of the refugees returned; some to find thelr rooi-trees in ashes, others to discover strangers occupying thelr old familiar homes, The eneficent rule that superseded the tyrannical, arbitrary and plun ug era of Brownlow told Kindly on the relations between tho classes of soclety in East 'Yennessce heretofore so bitterly exasperated against each other. Conservatives and radicals became more and more reconciled and the scars of the past entered on a process of healing. Yet, still one or two generations must pass away before the ties of traternity knit perma- neatly together, All this revivitication of THE HEARTBURNINGS OF THE REBELLION only tend to postpone the happy consummation. Instances abound, however, that demonstrate how nothing that has hitherto happened can repress a mutual disposition to forgive and forget. Last Tuesday « once notorious character fn these parts, named Colonel Fry, met his death by falling b tween @ moving train and a station plat. form. He was one of the most active Union- ists in the war, and did much to frustra$ well-latd rebel plans, tearing up rails, burning down bridges, giving information in every direction tothe federal armies and using his best and worst efforts against rebels, civil and military. Returning to his home after the war his former foes and himself shook hands over the bloody chasm, and tiie re- mainder of his life was given to the cultivation of that spirit of which Horace Greeley is now 30 prom- inent a champton, SOUTHERN DISCUSSION OF JOMNSON. Thave just been Ilste1 ng to a party of belated Southerners, who mis: the train—men of prom- inence in Sullivan and Washington counties, of this discussion was Way, national politics. One who appeared to obtain a more respectful hearing and have more to say than the rest said he voted on every occasion against Johnson up to the time of his becoming President, but now he wanted @ chance to record a vyote in his favor—wanted the opportunity above all things, for he belleved him a great, manly and Ye te statesman—greatest In America to-c Judging from the talk and appearance of the pi I “reckon” (for they all “reckoned") that they re- presented the average and a little more of the in- velligence of the State. koi and professional men, and out of the party of thirteen there were two decicedly opposed to Johnson, eight In his favor and the balance for Cheatham. Those in opposition to Johnson main- tained he did more harm than good to the Sou h by his policy while President, and that if he had only “gone in? with Congress ‘carpet scarce and Southern men pio! favor contended that Johnson fought party whose creed was hatred of the § for this they would never forget him. they sald, we suifered ail the sam 1 he may have e . JOUNSON'S ABSORPTION OF POPULARITY, Colonel Carter, democratic, is running against Roderick Random Butler for Congress in this dis trict. I find comparatively Little contest. Who Is running for G nobody in these parts can tell, nt and Greeley are mentioned casually, but the great centre of in- terest and popularity 18 Andy Johnson. [He throws all (he others in the shade and dwaris the Presl- dential issue to ridiculous proportions. There are many reasons for this, Andy's home—Greenvillo— is here in the heart of that part of Tenne nsfers ky the right to be ¢ dark and bloody ground.” There is a tree near lis house on which three or four score men were hanged during the war, and Andy himself have swung from its ample branches lous period ifhe had not retired, But od a lion's heart in the ertsis of Tennes- see, and the Tennesseeans, revels or otherwise, feel a secret pride tn the fact to-day. Then the extra- It is true, but le was 0 interest in ti vernor pro and con t iron he showed make another item tn ity. 1 find people here who wonld make of forty miles in a springless wagon to ie great Commoner,” as (hey gall bin You They were farmers, store- | | his old friend, Grant, and asked if a man who | called the second Washington ¢ have got to come down to this region to find out what a wonderful orator ts Andy. If a prophet he notiew in his own country & stump speaker is something tn his own State. SKETOH OF HORACE MAYNARD, My friend Horace Maynard also looms up gney, as arival of Demosthenes. Some people iM ge, who follow Maynard’s teachings as implicitly ‘a tender follows & locomotive, think that 108 thenes is an imitator of |. These are the same people who cenfouns hnson with Andrew Jackson. Horace ts just as ati it and almost aa fat as@ramrod. Being of Indiat descent his com- lexion is dark, somewhat the color of a cake of lecayed honey soap, and his long blaok hair falling htness over his shoulders, united to harles the Second mustache and imperial, give him the appearance of a full-length, animated portrait of the Mfteenth century walking out of its picture frame in a furniture store, Maynard Spends little of his income on the vanities oF this life, jo is o frugal liver, and 80 wedded to philosophy and abstemiousness that a corncob and a solitary dried herring has been known to soiace his great spirit for a day. His dress corresponds with his character in many respects, It is not made like carpet-bag constitu- tions, to satisfy present needs, but rather like the reat instrament Bealemed by the Fathers and con- ded to Andrew Johnson, to last for all time. When Horace had his present garments designed and Sonniruciad. is conjecture to the present gene- ration—Is, in fact, lost in the mists of antiquity. They are as fearfully and wonderfully made as the wearer, and would, undoubtedly, perish from off the face of the earth if submitted to the coarse at- tentions of my Ethiopian clothes’ brusher, But they have remained in the ase8- sion of Horace intact to the present day, defying alike the stealth and —crumblin; hand of time and the searching storms of ad- versity. Horace ta a great favorite with the ladies, ‘They fike the Indian-looking expression of his face, and the Day & Martin polish of his hair. Then his abstemious mode of life, his contempt for porter- house steaks and his strict adherence to making one course out of three meals give him a spiritual, poetical, seraphical PEDeere nse: Ladies, as a rule, are much impressed: by what is venerable. ‘They find much venerate in Maynard's medimval clothes, of no color whatever, as there were no colors Known at the time they were made lustrous along the seams from endiess brushing with the world and the weather, and a marvel altogether of sartorial archwology. The ladics will help him in this campaign, The Three Candidates at the Jonesboro Court House—Andy’s Speech Coldly Re- celved=What He Says About Grant and Washington—Gift Taking a High Crime—Convontions Should Be Dis- wensed With and a Prosident Directly Elected By the Pcopic=Speeches by Maynard and Cheatham. JONESBORO, Tenn, Sept. 25, 1872, As Ihave already told you, this is the centre of the dark and bloody ground of Tennessee, where in days not long gone by the political passions of men burned at furnace heat, The town is about equally divided between democrats of the Union-conserva- tive sirlpe and republicans of the bitter, unbending, rebel-proscription order, There has been a taming down since the close of the war. The mur- derous antagonism of former years has given way to peaceful though at times acri- montous controversy. Looking down the main strect of the town this morning in a heavy shower ofrain, Iwas amazed to see a long cavalcade of horsemen riding upwards toward the Court House, where the Immortal trio—Johnson, Cheatham and Maynard—were to speak at the hour of eleven. A great number of them wore suits of blue jeans, which, I am told, is an infallible indicatton that they served in the federal army. THOUGH SLOUCHY AND COARSR in expression, it was easy to sco that, under a rude exterior, their feelings were earnestly and actively engaged in the pending discussion and the issues involved. Around the Court House, in a very brief time, a whole regiment of horses was packed, and atall the corners of the streets groups of men, standing in the rain, discussed the prospects of the candidates. The candidates arrived {n the night from Bristol and stopped at a hotel owned by a Mr, Sevier, the grandson of the first Governor of Tennessee. Horace Maynard concluded to part company with the other two and acQspt the hospitality of Mr, Grisham, the genial editor of the bitterest radical journalin all Tennessee. Johnson, though meet- ing with many friends, and only twenty-five miles away from his home, found himself in the the midst of @ strong. uncongenial element—radi- calized whigs of former days, “{ tell you what it Is,’ I overheard one man say to another on a street corner, “this fight is be- tween Cheatham and Maynard, so they think here pretty generally.”” THE OLD UNION Srrrit flames out when the rebels raise their heads, To- day Andrew Johnson, in his speech, which was de- livered with a force and emphasis that would have carried away an adverse audience almost any- where else, asked, in the sweeping torrent of his address, “You know that 1 have forgiven much, can you not forgive me a little too?’ Yet not a trace responsive of emotion could be detected among his audience, half rebel, half radical, and both detesting Johnson, ‘And when in his most pathetic tones he exclatmed, “Heaven looks down in mercy on the unconscious and hopeless erring—it washes away tn the flood- gates of its mercy the sons of frail and feeble hu- manity—shall we be less charitable than Heaven ? Shall we not cry, ‘Brotiers, let us be reconciled; let us forgive and forget, and let amnesty for ali, recon- ciliation for all, be our policy forevermore # " NOY A SOLITARY ECHO of the sentiment could be heard in that audience of stolid and unrelenting Unionists and equally stoic and unytelding rebels, A big bell rang out at | eleven o'clock as the signal for the meeting to as- semble, Then there was a rush of embrowned and rugged men up the steps of the Court House, and soon all the space except the area devoted to the fraternity of the law was jammed. The speakers were promptly on hand—Maynard in the best of temper, for this 13 bis especial oppor- tunity, and Johnson is poison to the radi- cals and equally poison to the ultra rebels. The same ‘arrangement as was made at Bristol prevailed here, except that Joinson led oi, Few men of a sensitive nature would have coveted Johnson's position, Not a round of ca plause broke the long two hours’ stretch of his declamation, and he looked into the faces of men, | many of whom would hang him if the conditions | were favorable, It is not to be presumed that few public speakers are original every time they ad- dres3 an audience. Inthe nature of things they must repeat themselves. Mr. Jolinson cannot be supposed to have a fresh speech for every one of the thousand and ten audiences he must address before this campaign ts ended, Consequently I cannot give you much new material from his ¢lo- quent lips in his speech to-day, which ended with but a feeble effort at applause. He covered much | of the old ground, What he principally said was that he was NOT THE NOMINEE OF A CONVENTIONS he was the candidate of the people. They had nothing to do with that Convention, and such was the alssatisiaction of the people with it that they seemed to move away from it by instinct. After this Convention adjourned there wasa spontancous gathering of the people at Nashville, 15,000 in num- ber, at which was prepared a preamble and resolutions per 6 in accord with the principles of the gemogratic — party, ang ju one of those resolution’ he was invited to batonié thelr candidate for Congressman at Large, Mr, Johnson alluded, as before, to the action of the Nashville gathering and the packing of the Convention that noimtnated Cheatham. le then went over many things you have already published, and proceeded to pay his attentions to [sham G, Harris, former Governor of Tennessee, He said Harris, ry the little tyrant and despot, carried the Legislature | and passed an ordinance taking the State out of the Union, They also organized a military league, and haaded over the people of Tennessee BOUND HAND AND Foot to the Southern Confederacy, He asked where he had heen all the time? and answered himself py at ie had remained steadfastly at his within the lines of the Union, “ Yet he atraitor; but he would leave it to the common sense and intelligence of his hearers to say if thore was any proof or reason to sustain such acharge. Having alluded to his course as Presi- nt in the matter of ge ee the Southern ates, he next devoted a share of his remarks to assuines such immense responsibilities with such unheard-of confidence and coolness deserved to be Ifhe accepted the office with the timidity with which Washington did he does not then deserve the flattering nom de plume, for besides this he does not possess that | greatness of heart and mind that Washington did. Another thing that Washington tneluded in his address was, that in the eyes of the people he should be under no pecuniary obligations to any one. For ameliorating the condition of the country he could not consclentionsly accept of any proifers from his countrymen, He further stated that he belleved GIFT-TARING TO BE A INIGH CRIME to an ofice-hoider. To compare General Grant to General George Washington is a most ridicu- lous thing. You might as well compare the brightness of the most insignificant star that twinkles in the sky at night with the lustre of the noonday sun in all its glory as to compare such an infinitesimal being as Grant with such a magnant- | mous man as Washington. Johnson's great lobby in this canvass is the doing away with all conven- tions, e@ and national He said on. that point ‘It would be tar better not oniy to elect the President for one term, | but elect him directly by the people, which would dispense with the interveniog machinery of the | Electoral College. To elect directly by the people | would dispel with all Congressional caucuses and national conventions, which ts @ temptation to | designing office-seekers and inerigat politicians to make arrangements for the foes ‘auld patron. age of the government, to be ivided among themselves and their special friends. The time baa agriveg when these ventions should be dispens dearseiatian ant ie cata Be Pet rectly elect e He concluded fis addres to this impassive and mont mocomprohenatnls audience with a fervid a| ge for Union and reconciliation. It seemed as if might ag well have been talking to a benighted lamppost, MAYNAR! by saying he endorsed all Johnson sald about his (Johnson's) labors for the pesearr ation of the comma. in talking of the ex-Presldent he read an extract from Johnson's Nashville speech, in which traitors were to be punished and treason made odious. He was sorry that Johnson differed tory” of that struggle.” Maygara's aunty and ® 8 an eulogistic references to Johnson havo the gpcpoee of recommending Johnson all along. ‘aynard feels that Cheatham 1s sure of the rebel vote, and now if he can only get the conservative vote to fo for Johnson there 18 every spossibuite ot his walking in between the two. ynard felt much more at home here than he did ‘at Bristol yesterday, and half his audience showed their ap- prectation of him in their looks. wound up the debate. Reena in the words of Marc Anthony, he a was plain, blunt man, unac- customed to oratory. His life, when not in the army, wa’ spent asa farmer, and neither avoca- tlon was conducive to cultivation of the graces. He accepted the position of standard bearer of the onveny on that nominated kim sae he might io his humble best for his country. He detailed how that Convention came to give him the nomina- tion, and pronounced it the greatest ever held in the State. The General spoke calmly and Rushey enough for about fifteen minutes, and on conclud- ing was given a round of applause, There were no rejoinders, and the meeting immediately separated a3 mysteriously as it came together. INTERVIEW WITH MR. JOHNSON, Speaking to ex-President Johnson this evening after the meeting was over I asked him, “How do you intend to meet this clamor in West- ern acy about your action in Mrs, Surratt’s caso “T have no fear of that clamor; if there are peo- ple still solgnorant as to believe I cowpassed or aminany way responsible tor the death of Mrs. Surratt [leave them where they are.’” “What is the exact fact, Mr. Johnson, about Annie Surratt’s attempt to reach you at the White House, and being repulsea either through your order or by the order of Preston King ?”” “[ never knew until after Mrs, Surratt had been executed that her daughter had been seeking to see me, Preston King had nothing to do with re- pulsing her, There was a fellow named Mazzy—I think he is {n Washington still—tacked himself on tome at the White House in some way or other, and finding this girl LOOKING IN A FRANTIC WAY likely to understand 1D OPENED for me, and unable very her, refused her admission, this kuew nothing until some time after. Now as to tho case of Mrs. Surratt, Mr. Lincoln as you may know, was assassinated at a time when he was Commander-in-Chief ot the armies and mar- tial law prevailed in the District. The opinion of the Attorney General was taken as to the mode of trial for the conspirators, and he decided that they were liablo the jurisdiction of a military commission, ‘They had @ full and fair trial, and all four alike were found gullty. How was [to know that Mrs. Surratt was inn cent? All I could do would be to pardon her. Could I pardon her without pardoning the rest, where there was nothing but sympathy for her sex to justify it? As for the Surratt clamor, I shall meet and answer it wherever It comes up.’” “What are your expectations of being elected 2” “Well, [ have every hope of being elected if the agitation of this canvass does not restore the rebel animus, and if the conservative party of the pre- sent remains intact and desires to keep closed the bloody chasm.’? ‘The triumvirate rost from their labors to-morrow and will resume on Friday forty miles west, at a place called Norristown, DROLLERIES OF THE OAMPAIGN IN TEN- NESSEE. The following were among the inscriptions upon the transparencies tn a Cheatham procession in Memphis, fenn,, recently :— “Honesty before policy.’? “Give us a new deal—Cheatham for Congress,"” “Honest Old Frank.’ Look out for cabbago,’’ illustrated with a pair of big shears, “Send ms to Congreas, or I'm gone up.’? “An honest man—our leader, I'rank Cheatham.” “He gave up his goose, and his friends turned him loose.” “Oharity covers @ multitude of sing’—shows Johnson holding out his hat for votes, “Johnson's iuspiration and his resource if de- feated,” illustrated by a big bottie marked *Bour- oon,?* “Mayor of Greenville, send him pack.’? “Cheatham with honesty—Frank with all.’ “The soldier who never warred on women,’? “A good man for the place—Cheatham.” “The way to beat Johnson—Cheatham.” “fhe man who never fatled to do his duty —F. C."" “lam a gone goose,” with picture of a tailors ose. # “‘Vennessee as Johnson would have it—slaves, bow to my policy,” illustrated by persons bowing [Ei a table, before which Johnson sits drinking whiskey. “A dead issue—Andy Johnson.’ “Niggers, I’m your Moses."’ “A good joke—A, J. for Congress.” “Goodby, Andy, I disown you'’—shows a female figure (Tennessee) turning her back on Johnson. “The dear people’ —shows Johnson as a candidate ; and “The dear people blowed, my policy superior to right"’—shows htin elected. “G{ve me office or give me death ;” “Cheatham’s policy—equal rights to all.’’ “Andy Johnson, the lady kiler.’’ “Frank Cheatham ts our choice.” “Too much of a good thing—A. J. for Congress,’’ “A bad State—Tennessee, when A. J. was Military Governor.” “We will put a head on Andy.’ “Johnson's pals ‘—shows Johnson with his foot on the neck of a prostrate lemale labelled Tennes- see, “Let the dead past bury its dead"'—shows soldiers shaking hands across the bloody chasua, “Andy a dead issue.” CAMPAIGN ‘FLASHES, Propositions to discuss the issues of the canvass with the Grant men have been declined by the Grecley advocates in Texas, Judge Edwards, a life-long democrat, of Lee county, Iowa, is stumping for Grant. Judge McDill and Rev. Mr. Merritt, candidates for Congress in the Eighth lowa district, are stump- ing the counties together. The Iowa City Republican learns that the straight- out democrats of Johnson county talk of putiing a county ticket in the fleld. Governor Carpenter is canvassing continually in Iowa for Grant. The Union League of Philadelphia will support Hartranft ‘or Governor. v Governor Curtin, Eli Silfer and Titian J. Coffey will take the fleld against Hartranit for Governor of Pennsylvania. Ex-Sheriff O’Brien predicts that Kernan will lead the Greeley ticket in thts city by 20,000 votes, They have discovered ice in a cave in Kentucky that will not melt—it is as solid as iron or steel. That will be the commodity politicians will carry in their bosoms in place of a heart after the coming elections are decided. George B. Mosher, of West Troy, has been re- nominated for the Assembly by the democrats and liberals, Blanton Duncan's True Democrat has collapsed after three days’ feverish existence, Trouble seems to have broken out among the democrats and liberals in Missouri. in a confiden- tial circular, dated “Headquarters Liberal Repub- lican State Committee, St. Louis, September 18, 1872," and signed by Edward W. Tittman, Chair- man Liberal Republican State Committee, the fol- lowing appears :— * * * Wherever, In any locality, the democrats take any steps calculated to weaken our party and to throw obstacles in its way (and whether by making nominations without consulting the wishes | of our party or otherwise), they, for the purposes and to the extent of that particular local cam- paign, become our enemies, and, being allies who donot act In good faith, our worst enemies. If this view be correct, as the undersigned believes it | to be, it is clear that the citizens of our party must recognize in such local democratic organiza- tions a8 Inay pursue the inimical and faithless policy hereinbefore referred to enemies to be de- jeated by all honorable means, even though the result, for the time being, should be the success of the local regular republican ticket, The Memphis Appeal is fignring up “what it will | cost to send Andy Johnson to Congress."’ It is like reckoning without the host, General V. V. Smith, who was nominated for | Congress by the republicans of the Second district | of Arkansas, has withdrawn in favor of Judge | James Elliott. Two more men “out for Grecley,” says the Ham- ilton Telegraph, They broke out of the Darkville Jail, and were in for horse stealing. The Gloversville (N. Y.) Slandard (republican) has dropped the names of Grant and Wilson and hoisted those of Greeley and Brown at its mast- head, latest Forneyism—“Pennsvivania will put down Hartranft and Allen, Cameron and bis tools, by twenty-five thousand maioriie? COLFAX. He Rises to Explain tho Facts About the Credit Mobilier Scandal—An Appeal for Justice and Fair Play—Ho Has Nover Taken a Dollar's Worth of Stock He Did Not Pay For, Sourm Bano, Ind., Sept, 25, 1872. General Joseph R. Hawley, who with others had been advertised to speak here to-day, arrived alone, and, on his appearance in the Court House square, Vice President Colfax was elected py the audience to preside at the meeting; and on taking the chair sald that it afforded him great pleasure te introduce to the people of his own home his vatuead personal and political friend, ex-Governor Haw- ley, of Connecticut, distinguished both itm civil and military life, and who would speak to them in favor of the republican people and their chosen standard bearers, State and national—Grant and Wilson, Browne and Saxton, Packard and all their republican associates on the ticket, Mr. Courax then said :— Let mo detain you a ow moments, my tow Itouch a tubric of falsehood with the sp posing tho so-called “Credit Mobiller scan May goo out of what worthless stuff campaign charges 4re manufactured. Not to put myself on the defonalve. Far fromit, in ali my public life there has never ban hour when I would not have trusted a jury of my politi opponents here to decide any charge aifecting my honesty that the bitterest malignant could Imaging ‘or {avenk 9 to render their verdict as to whether I could be bribed to cast my vote for or to support any moasuro which my consciéntions convictions disapproved. You ant 4 pa dg uring twenty years of ators life at speaking on the stump I noveP sought é you be- Kevad hat pabllomen yon scoundrels Seoanee i alteres ein politically, here ™; lends, ree - era in the United States abgve all others. mo {0 su; lutely ‘know, as I shall show, that bribit por the Pacific Railroad Interest {s just as inctedible as that vote the republican eee al BAS anc naan oe and corresponding with the Chicago Tribune, tho Now the Springfleld Republioan, 1 crossed tt York une and Continent in @ stage coach exprossly that four of us might see with our own eyes Proposed route of th Union Paolo road § might decide as to tts practicability, and wi hasten its construction by using our indluénoe, pe valists to accept tho liberal and journalistic, to Induce capt subsidies offered three years From a letter writton by. Mr. Bowlos,to tho 8) rina Republican, dated San Franolsco, Atigust 20, 1855, a found on page 202 of his widely’ elroulated book, “ tho Continent,” 1 quote the following -—“Gdvormeny bonds aro loaned to it to the amount of $16, per mile through the Plains, and_ $48,000 per mile In the Mountains; besides which the half of ail the land om cach side of the road for twenty miles deop is dom outright to the companies doing the work. The come panies aro further authorized to issue their own bon ‘an equal amount to those granted by tho government, and secure them by a first mortgage goverament loan, taking the second place tn security.” Mind you, my friends, Mr. Bowles is stating the offer of the government, which was yet waiting acceptance by moneyed men. On page 273 Mr, Bowles concludes as follows :— “Men of the Last! men of Washington | lend now & few thousands of men and ono hundred tillions of mone} to create @ new republic, to marry the nation of the At- lantic to the equal if not greater nation of the Pacific.” Such an appeal reviously by Cong patrlvtism, men of me was worthy ot hoed and was " heeded. mi not quote irom my own numerous gPecchon, lectures and ‘letters, nor from the editorial letters’ of Gov- ernor Bross to the Chicago Tribune and his lectures before boards of trade and capitalists to induce thom te subscribe the millions of money alluded to by Mr, Bowles. for this great work, nor trom, Mr, Richardson's lotters to the Now York tribune Their favorable influence in pressing this enterprise forward 1s summed up in Mr. Bowles’ dedication of his book, dated Decem- ber 25, 1865, four months after his letter, as followa:— “The railroad is indeed the great work of tho day, thi great want, tho great revealer aud the great creator of fils Empire of ours west of the Mussissippl. | It ts cheoring to find that since we went over the Plains labor upon tho eastern end of this road has had a new impetus; to learn that ney elements of capital and enterprise have besa engaged.” r. Bowles wrote truly, Tho urgent and patriotic ap- poals of these representatives and special correspondent ofthe New York 7yibune, the Chicago Tribune and the Springdeld Repuotian, with perhaps my humble ou y ased on the Dersonai knowledge we had acquired by ou! long and dangerous journey, was inducing men. wealth toaccept the subsidy offerod at firat by the Com- gross of 130% and reofferad and improved by the Consroag Of 1364, both of which Subsidy acts were supported voted for by such distinguished Senators as Charlos Sum- ner and Lyman Trumbull. But these capitalists have heen denounced ever since by many papers and _politiciat as not better than swindlors for accepting what has been proffered and re-proffered by Congress with the heart opular endorsement, and fnally, risking williona wherg others would not hazard their dollars. Having mysolt mado more specches,addresses, and lecturesin favor of the Pacitic Rallroad as a political, military and commercial necessity than any other man in ton, nothin, could be more abstitd and scif-refuting than tho char that one wo was {ts open friend when millions doubi Its practicability had to be bribed to favor its interaats, ae pot irtends, are thoso whom bribes seok out and control, Mr. Colfax turned and, looking at the Roy. G. M. Boyd, Methodist minister, sitting by the stand, said—“You might as well say that a Methodist had to be bribed to ad- vocate Methodisin—(aughier)—or that an oditor had to bribed to support typographical interests, But nevet having had in my life a dollar of stock of any kind that did not pay for, I claimed the right to purchasd tho stock in the Credit Mobiller or the Oredit Immobiller, it thero Is ong; in the Union Pacific, or Central Pacific, of Lake Shore, South Bend and Plymouth railroads; in’ of 8 promising immense dividenas, thal sometimes fail; in printing offices or furniture’ ai chair factories, in banks, or in other works, it Lik other American cltizons or the rest of mankind. ' Nor do know of any law prohibiting {t. Ifthere tsa man out all our forty millions of people who knows me who eves [could be influenced a hair's breadth in publts private life by the purchase of stocks in a company, should not value his good opinion any more than his ev one. Iam proud to say, too, thatin all my public Ife m man ever dared to make me _a dishonorable proposition, Do [ noed to add that neither Oakes Ames nor any othet erson ever fr or offered ive mo one share of wells or gold mit twenty shares or 200) shares in Mobilier or any railroad stock, and that, unfortunately, I have never received the value of a farthing ut of per cent dividends, nor the rt cent dividends, in cash, stocks and bonds, you have read about every day forthe past month, nor one hun- dred er cent, nor. one of one pee it cwenty. shares of It could be par. without buying into a prospective lawsuit, {t would be a good investment if it was 49 value able stock as represented; and I have said that! woal like to buy twenty shares at par, if attainable, in Studebakes Wagon Company, or the Birdsell Clover Sepa- rator Company here. [challenge either of the two coms ‘anies la.t named to give me such an opportunity now of Reresher. But never having been a plaintiff nor dgfoad. a court of justice I want no stock of at of ror Bé a any price, with a lawsuit on 0) k {tage gvel with, ‘prospective ae hich, Ta tn Tid eves of mine nor thts pocketbook. eh, ty the frst dollar of It, although it Is 60, poaltively nssorte that I havo been entitled to this handsome amount ever since four years ago. Here I might gtop; but some of those papers have been 39 anxtous day a rday to hear fr hese yentiemen, whom they would have been quick defend instead of to asperse a few years ago, that I mt continue this exposure. T have determined that nothi that can be said or that can be gharged or insinaate ‘galust mo in this canvass shall Induce me ¢o say. a tiara word in reply, nor to answer railing with railing, an you will notick, therefore, that I abstain from slg lane iuage which the very mildest of you would employ ie your nelghbor had sought to blackén your charactor day alter CA egy bd The tavorite corresponaent of the Present Chicago Zriune, “Gath,” was Instructed, as he states in his recent letter, to investigate and write up for that paper the Credit Mobilter. [shall refer now to one single intl otttof his many columns 40 conspicuous rinted in that paper, With sensational head lines, at ar ely. copled In the New York Tribune. be chai that ipeaker Colfax and Speaker Blaine rept 0 Ames out of the head of the Pacific Rallroa isa petty untruth, Mr. Ames having only been a member it, buf never its chairman. In the same rap he says:—"Amos carried through Congress a scandal proposition by which the government abandoned its fi Mortgage of this highway and allowed the private mort bond of the railroad to take precedence,” and thi hit a lg in the Chicago Tribune of las| » I have alroady shown you, from Bowl letter of August, 1365, that this was already the law be- fore capitalists were induced, by the Influence of repre: sentatives of the New York and Chicago Zrtiunes and my- solf, to acoept this very ie ‘ot Congress, ant tisk, in what mary then deemed an impossible work, “they wtillond Mr. pealed to them to invest; an Which “Gath” denounced as seand Tribune now denounces editorial; alo wi * su passed, by Messrs. Sumner, rambl and 4 as by Mr. Ames and an overwhelming majo ty ‘01 Fron; nor, did Mr. Ames invest a dollar nghe ‘adil ailroad till aiter the letters of Governor Bros to Chicago Trfiune, ot Bowles to the Springfield Kapublicany nd afer Mi Richardson's to the New York tribune ° rear, too, after this onact- n published, More th m at by. Congress in 1364, Lint ” sare, In this sar graph of hig letter that Ames was able, with hy most eminent men of the republican party. coll ross sum for parry’ over this road, while a time interest on government bonds. With are others—that, the railroad nor never claimed but sum for carrying the maily the other half havin always retained and applic tine Secretary. Moutwell desired. in 1870 to. retain th whole, but thé Senate Judiciary Committee, haying beew instructed to examine the question, decided that the Con- gressional charter authorized only half to be thus re- tained, and Congress go re-enacted. After twolve pages debate in the Globe the Senate this decided by 36 to I Hand Thurman both speaking anc This correspondent concludes oad Seon on the interest of the bonds; In short, the Union Pacitic Railro: loan from the United states of trom $184 0) a mile and then robbed it of the Interest on th oan, forced the loan itself back to a contingent place and pasted tt over with another and a private loan of its own, and then swindled it out of the whole gross sunt for the mali service.” These charges are vei | grave, and iftrue would’ blast forever the character dt | the men capable of such conduct, and give color and con- firmation to the ori al charge of bribery and corruption, The only answer necessary to them is, that not only d the Congressional Globe, as f have shown, proye their entire sity beyond all contradiction, but the editors and Dr 8 of the Chicago 7ridune know of thelr own knowl. that there is not a particle of truth in any one of these sweeping talsifcations of thelr, correspondeng What could have Induced them to print them, even amld all the excitement of a political campaign, a mystery tome, Let me ask you, now, if the publlo have not, the Fight to demand troin the editors and proprietors of these two great newspapers, the Now York and Chicago Tribunes, some porsonal explanation. Day after da thelr papers have been filled “ with inuendovs and charges, some of which they happened know, betier other men, could | not than ou and neat Own files explained or disapproved. D all the rest of which ee Aiierday they have sought to make the people of t United Bates suspect & number of their prominent men and the builders of the Union Pacific pion as a band of thieves, scoundrels and, swii have demanded that those assailed should be . Well, they have heard now # calm, dispassionate state. ment from one of the men whom some rune stigmatized as the Ewelye Apostles, who sold out to the Credit Mobilior at $2),00 apicce. T submit, in sorrow: rt thoso who bear false witness agalnst their neighbors, thal cloaring their own skirts from the scandal of thelr course isthe next (hing now in order. Railroad fen ho Young married folks should study well the climata of Minnesota before emigrating, A man and wile in Henderson county ta that State have tw four living gluldrety