The New York Herald Newspaper, August 1, 1872, Page 3

HOUSE OF REFUGE, Continuation of the State Commis- sioners’ Investigation. PUNISHMENT AND LABOR. Btory of the Great Revolt of Last Spring and How It Was Subdued—What the Super- tutendent Did—The Regular “Tasks” Imposed—Oversoors, Foremen and Boys Examined. —__ + SECOND DAYS PROCEEDINGS. Letter from the Catholic Chaplain of Randall's Island, ‘Tho investigation by the State Commissioners of Public @harities as to the alleged irregularities re- garding the management of the House of-Refuge ‘wasresumed yesterday morning at Randall's Island. Premptly at the hour named for business the large Mice in the front of the main building and overlook- fag the pleasant approach to the institution was filled ‘with the gentlemen interested in the finding out ff the atrocious charges made against the Superin- fendent and certain other officials contain a par- ficle of truth. Among these were Manager E, Randolph Robinson, who has been particularly ac- five in the matter; Dr. Ordroneux, Secretary of the State Commissioners, who conducted much of the examination of yesterday; President Oliver 8, Btrong and Managers Ketchum, Herder and others, while Chaplain Pierce, Schoolmaster Hallock and Aseistant superintendents were on the alert. The effce, with its long tables, piles of books and Pundies of red-ribboned papers, had much the Bppearance of a miniature court room. ° @pening the day’s proceedings, Mr. Robinson advised, for the beneft of those present, that Dr. ®rdronenx’s attention had been called to certain articles thit appeared in the journals of the city at the time of the Justus Dunn trial, and to an affidavit made by a discharged boy at that pariaa, detailing eged acts of gross cruelties; and as the inmate whom it was sald they had been practised accidentally been called before them yester- aay, it was Dr. Ordroneux’s desire to have him re- led. This was done, and the rather dull face of LEOPOLD ROBOMOZIER was acain before the Commissioners, The oath being ad- inisiered, he said in substance :—Knew of such aboy as Winian ‘Kenney Gigncr of the afiitavit regarding, the alleged inhuman whipping of this witness), but don’t remember him; he was not in my division: never Fors im another divison panished; was whipped had Broken some rule of the Fhoolrogm and was disorderly: knew 9, boy med Kilgammor, but never saw him punished ; I was ipped over a bench with my pants partly removed; a op was used; the skin was brcken and my clotlies fast, and I'slept in them that night; T worked next 7 don’t remember falling down during the whipping; was not led out of the rgom nor to the hospital. Here Dr, Ordroneux said that it was well known ¢ no wound suflicient to break the skin ever ealed without a sear, and with the permission of the officizis he would examine the witness to ascer- tain if scars were visible on his back. Assent being EE. Leopold was taken to @ private room and ex- ined, but no scars were found, the witness say- ing that the discharges noticed at the time came from a biister, involving no blood. Examination resumed—Came to the House on the 24th February last and was here more'than 2 wonth before ing punished; never raw any of the other boys hipped ; the boys seemed to take pleasure in studying; teachers do not use harsh words; I always hi ty to eat; the tasks of work given’ the boys are got rough with before half-past four o'clock, and many ve theirs dione before twelve o'clock. y Mr. Robinson—Atter the whipping buttoned my own petana ‘walked away ; was not whipped in the teacher's E. H. HALLOCK, Principal of the schools was then called and sworn. He had been there fourwen years up to 1869, when he left went to Plainville, Minnesoia, to take charge of le school; returned About three’ months ago, and as- his old position; @ book 1s kept in the house con- Fecordy of corporal punishments adintnistered— own) ; from this book I find that Robomozier was the first time. May Sook. Which | was H alm ‘of the hand, enlough to raise a blister; was punished Beeond time June 20; the boy had received repeated de- Fit marks, twice ‘exhausting the mit where punish- mt begins, and had Deen very jipudent to his teacher t night hé was worse than ever, nnd my attention was fo his conduct; I went info the school room Jooking into his éye saw he was very bad; he’ was en to another after much trouble, and his cries of “Don't, touch me," “Boys Bome and help me.” as it it had been arranged to preate ariot. Mr. Sprague, Mr. Jones and ldridge moe present; after great trouble and his rep cries t he would not be punished , his pants were Moved and he was put over a bench the strap; no marks nor blood were seen; he retained his ushess; there were no boys present: the boys of this institution principally are easily controlled; take out the “hard cases” and it {3 so; previous to the r ver saw pistols, clus or weapons in the hands of the jcers, but that day noticed the ofticershad clubs in their ts furnished by the manager. by Dr. Ordroneux—Robomozicr was a Gesperate, deter. boy—one of the worst in the school; he was not ince receiving the whipping he has been quite ary; the teachors repeatedly romarked this fact Be Covporal ‘punishment. is necessary to quell such room lent spirits; moral suasion is of no service; if Robo- had not then been whipped a rebellion might have PeeBrFed; boys have come into the schoo! not knowing eir letters but have gone away well versed in arith- metic andable to read and wrile. The records of the institution were then referred %e, and it was found that Kobomozier was received atthe House 24ih of February, 1872, being sent there by the Court of Special Sessions for petit Jarceny—stealing a gold watch. PUNISHMENT, Here the charge and specifications made by the eae at Regarding ‘‘Punisiments’’ was presented a8 follows :— Under the direction of the said Manager the punish: ments infiicted upon the said inmates are cruel, unusual excessive; ih consequence whereof the said inmates we been driven t ie ast the authority of the 0.1 and that such revolts have been attended with Injury to the officers and with loss of life. The bylaws regulating the character of punish- ments were read, and the ofiicial “Book of Kecords of Punishmenis” offered in evidence. From this it ‘was shown that from ist of January to ist of July, this year, 632 boys had been punished, the eat number of inmates being 700, which is je less than one-haif of one per cent per day. Btatistics regarding the character of the inmates, ‘when they enter, number of times sent to the mn- stitution and their ages were also submitted, OLIVER 8, STRONG, President of the Board of Managers was called and Sworn :—He said that he had head the office since 1856; ‘was always present at the meetings of the board ; officers not depart from regulations laid down in the by- ; daily journal of the House has heen kept since 1824; vestigation was called for because of the rulings by residim s judge in the late trialor Dunn for stabbing r Calvert, tn which testimony was admit fed = reflecting severely on the institution; Mr. Jones was appointed superintendent in 1862, Decause he possessed peculiar quatitications for the post: ton; never had occasion to censure him, just the re- ‘verse, knew that his ability and temperament surted him for the position, and his salary has been inercased that he t be retained, which at all tines has been our policy, ing the best men at whatever cost; the qualifications Of rival applicants ve over bern determined on basis of sectarian = or prineiples the punishments intlicted approbation ever had the. img e Board of Managers give their tion gratuitou-ly; they are never nds; at this time there ace on the Board Presbyt Quakers, Episcopalians, Unitarians, Roman Cath olics and J agent peel ¢ visited the schools @week, and for pearly, seven years the inmates Babbath ; the boys cowld always speak to me without punishment; the political siaius of the members of the as widely diferent ligions views; political met my ey Ww Reaper lalvert, Who Was kKilicd by Dunn, was a Catholic | ot time ot Nis death, HISTORY OF THR GREAT REVOLT, Baperintendent Jones was then called and sworn. Being questioned, he proceeded to give an account ol the volt in the Houte, sy much comniented upon, and how was subdued. He said that the revolt wascontined to tho ond division, among the larger boys; no trouble had experienced if the junior department: 1 am not aye brovent hen punishniens isndmiaisered; thts Ie to assistant super nis and the principals the schools; they imyariably report to me the character Taree ences coimmitted; ihe revolt occurred on the What was the cause? Teintelligibly answer I must g two years before everything In rs saely HANS Ya AN SS mMoothiy did everything le along that ‘when the gateman died the gate was attended by vers, for a long thine by the smaliest boy in the hotise; the mates could goin and out as they pleased, and: there no trouble; during this time ouly one bey ran away the latter part of last year noticed coming into tf tion DOYS such oldef than thoso in. charge past sixtecn years of age; after much reflection { tioug! Se rolmsing therm, but wo jnetauch encouragement for a& eir behavior that this wi 0 po Ng gS ag Mot carried into MANY TURBULENT sprees among them, and I soon discovored that there was a ing feeling of insubord about ws; inany of ich boys coming in at the time, and meeting a like ele: nt already in the House, made it much worse; at this ¢ the principal of the school was breaking down in wealth, and several of the offlelal podtions | were ack some time; for institution had gone Was mild and obedience Facant, and there was some sickiess amon females ant males; the engineer died, Walvert died; we were wenk In the number lthe larger boys saw, it; all this time ordination ¥ rowing greater and 3 x force oF gel r n their work by assaulting a her; hut such cases t were seldom, and until the of Maret there was no ot ; T saw that most of the boys were thea being nifinenced by the vad ele- ment overywhere, about, and they were dogged and 4 the ys first they be S Ei t SPIRIT OF [NSUNORDINATION iy developing: Leaw thit many boys sympathized wuile ray wan 1 homicide of Calvert; Ab this tinic tliree boys, of of cighiven or ninexeer,1an away, but were cap- without being iniured:’ naw ‘hie boys bens te e | for it, being the miserable sum of thirt: NEW YORK HERALD, THURSDAY, AUGUST 1, 187 ‘were deter- it; thes = CR RT termined upon oti a ‘were mal the locks ‘tbat sree Sy Sal Ge ea ar to cir cat nv dein all the in- 'S of the doors other boys ‘tllers wat were very went y wurbul at; Vibe arranged to take ie. boys up to the P sho “place their thumbs fn ‘cord, let them remain funtil each would rouse obey’ orders, that the 14 selected was 30, lan as to cut them, and th ert of thele tect ef any ie; oe eight they Dore wasneyer mere than eight oF ten pounds; Was kept position eight minutes, but the ma- jority omy hwo or three one were cut; no blood was Vi 3, after yleldii re sent back to their rooms; they t lose @ meal; the two that id not 1s assal the keeper, after consulting wil ge Redford, were sent, one for five years to the Penitentiary and the other to the State Prison for the same term; op the 17th of May a keeper was wounded in the eat I met him blecdit profu-ely; sent for a physician, while attending to the ‘wounded man word was sent me that the boys. had gone to the yard and were armed with sticks, knives, &c.;1 sent word to capture them, and it was done; at that time Mr. Alterbury, member re the Executive Committee, arrived, and he de: patched word to the police, when they arrested and took them to the s(ation house; since that the of acer obedience has been quite ; the ofticers has been incre: .. You select this peculiar punishment ¢ iy that talking @ fow years o with an old surgeon in the United States Nav, isited us, and. referring a and — their remembrance of it ishme service abolition, hia modo was referred to; the may have prompted me to use it; I wight not again in such a ct butadopt some other; the punishment was a necessity, the spirit’ of insubordination must be sup- pressed; had I not done so I MORREDAYE Deen guilty of RGLECT OF PUTY; Defore T used the cord consultation was bad with Dr. |. N. Pierce, M.D; no possible injury came from it; the insurrection was bari Meo ional and without a parallel; no Institution the country ever passed through’such an ordeal, Here the cord used on the occasion referred to was shown, and it was found tobe a largo sized twine, which could not cut or bruise the skin. Examination resumed—The boys had accoss to knives, those wed at meuls and those in the shop at, work When Calvert was dying T took Dann to edside and asked him ithe had wronged him in ray, 4nd, he said “No;” the impression exists that, Perna no more antipathy against him than any other officer. At this juncture Mr. Patrick Gilhooley and Mr. William Bell, who were boys in the House of Refuge several years’ ago, volunteered statements regarding the discipline of the House as now com- para ‘ith that time. In their opinion it was much tter at this period, more better food bein, iven to the inmates. The importance of this evi- eu imagined when It is told Soth of these lence can be young men are students at law, and Bell graduated awhile since at Rutgers ge. They reside at Somerville, N. J. LABOR, The following charge was then submitted :— The said managers compel the said inmates to labor in- cessantiy and impose upon them tasks greater than thelr strength can sustain, whereby health is often impaired and spirits, broken, ‘and that reform is wholly subor- inated to the interests of the contractors and to the par. ose Of realizing So: greater amount of wonecy porsible rom the labor of said inmates, Silas A. Brush, Assistant Superintendent, was examined upon this point, and also that of punish- ment. In the latter case he corroborated the evi- dence of others, and in the matter of being over- worked had never known it to occur, Thoraas Kilkenny, @ boy who came, to the insti- tution December 7, 1871, and now nella the en- gincer, testified to the Inbor he performed and the food received; he was not overworked, and was always treated kindly by the Superintendent and the other officials, ‘The contracts under which the work of the House of Refuge is performed was then submitted im evi- dence, when Samuel ©. Wheeler, an overseer for the institution, was examjned in the matter o! the not been overworked. Mr. Buchanan, foreman for the shoe contractor, was called, and he testified to the “tasks given b; the inmates in his department. He also referre: toa few preys who had done extra work ‘of their own free will, and been paid for it. Captain W. L. Eldridge, Assistant Superintendent, was also exam- ined on the point of “tasks,” and he asserted that thoy were not too great, many of the boys getting through by noon. Charles Henry Degraw (colored), an inmate of the house and a suoe burnisher, was then called, and in an es manner gave the particulars of the extra work he had done and what he had oueinad cents for work requiring four hours anda half, He had done the work to oblige the foreman however, and not for the pay received. a) The investigation was then adjourned until this morning at ten o’clock. WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS WANT. ‘The Commissioners now being in session, and, as it is their wish to fully inquire into all the alleged irregularities of the management of the House of Refuge, they would be obliged to any one who can give evidence upon the several points before them. If such persons do not wish to visit Randall’s Island without a srpaas, this will be sent them by forwarding thei? names, and the Commissioners, in order to secure witnesses oe this nature, will adjourn to-night for two or three ays, A Fenrless Letter from the Roman Catholic Chaptiain of Randall’s Island— ‘Will the Commissioners Place Him on the Stand? So much has recently been written about the tvcatment of prisoners in the Randall's Island | House of Refuge that public opinion has forced an nvestigation upon the Board of Managers, and the State Commissioners are now engaged in the work. Itis to be hoped that they will make the inquiry very thorough, and place the blame where it prop- erly belongs. The following letter from Rev. Father Renaud, Chaplain on the island, hasbeen forwarded to the HERALD, and the public who are taxed $40,000 for the support of this institution and the generous subscribers to its support will scarcely be satisfied if the reverend father be not summoned to testify in the premises :— To. Tar Epiror or THE HERALD :— 8 several statements, calculated to mislead public opinion, were lately made, with regard to religious liberty in the New York Hoyse of Refuge, I deem it my duty as Catholic Chaplain of Randall's Island, to address you the following communica- ion, begging you to insert it at once in your widely read paper. It may give to the State Com- missioners of Charities some information which might not be supplicd them otherwise. I proceed by questions :— Q. the Catholic priest any access at all to the healthy Catholic inmates, boys or girls, in the House of Refuge ? A. None whatsoever. Q. Does the Catholic priest attend the sick girls in the Refuge, at least at the moment of death? A. Neither myself nor Rev. Fathers Duranquet and Chambon, my two predecessors, ever were called to give spiritual attendance to any of the girls. Q. Has the priest perfect liberty, at least with the Catholic sick boys? A. No; he can, indeed, give them the sacrament, but he was positively refused faculty to leave with thom the books and papers which he thought they needed to prepare them- | selves Br tly for the reception of these sacred rites. Besides, when the Catholic priest to the Refuge he has first to report himself at the office and ask each time leave to go to the hospital, Hoping that this statement will give offence to no sincere lover of truth and liberty, I remain, Mr. Editor, yours, truly, J. RENAUD, 8. J. THE ATALANTA OBEW. To Tur Epitor or THE HERALD:— The reflections in your issue of 20th inst. do agreat injustice to the oarsmen of the Atalanta crew. You state that in our®late race on the Thames we changed the name of American ama- teur rowing, which Harvard had forced English- | men to respect, to a laughing stock and byword. In this race, which resulted so unfortunately for my | crew, the course—four miles and three furiongs— was rowed, fifteen minutes after the turn of the tide, in 22m. Ss. by us, with a foul delaymg us at the lowest estimate fully fifteen seconds, Com- pare this with the time of the Amherst Untversity crew at Springfleld—three miles in 16m. 324,, on about an equal carrent—and you will find that our time for three miles, with four oars, is faster than Amherst’s with six oars. We also beat the Oxford crew’s time in their race with Harvard over half a minute. This race was with a coxswain; but to counterbalance this we rowed the course in a re- yerse direction, which is estimated to consume fifteen seconds longer. In the first instance the | day and water were highly favorable; In the latter instance very unfavorable for fast rowing. I think you have underrated the rowing abilities of the Atalanta four in saying they only defeated a crippled and demoralized Harvard crew in 1871. Can this be so wien such well known oarsmen as Messrs, Bass, Tucker, Jones, Loring, Sanger and Reed comprised the crew! most of whom had had several years’ experience in the University six. ‘The criticisms of the press, especially the manner in which they have given the public the impression that we are not and never have been oarsmen, compels me, in self justification, to make the follow- oe Pad to ec! confident that the four men comprising the Atalanta crew on the Thames, 10th of June, will compete with a picked four of the Amherst alx, or, if they cannot be got together, a picked four from the six University crews which rowed at Spring- fleld on the 24th of July—the race to take place over the aame course before October 1. Since our defeat several clubs have signified their desire to row us; but as our business engagements event us from accepting miscellaneous chal- lenges, I suggest this race, as the opulege crews for the past two years have been credited with re- markabie time, and the press genorally designate them as our fatest amateur oarsmen. It will be very diMeult to get the crew together for another race this season; but under existing circumstances Tam sure eagh member will do a in this un- dertaking. 63 BSSEL WITHERS, M. D., Cantain stalante Craw, THE DISCOVERY OF DR. LIVINGSTONE. Com: [From the New York Ledger (Robert Bonner) for this week.) A GREAT NEWSPAPER ACHIEVEMENT. We think we know eomething of newspaper cn- terpriae. A paper that has, like the Ledger, pub- lished original contributions from the President of the United States, members of the Cabinet and Senatora in Congress, and from Edward Everett, George Bancroft, Charles Dickens, William Cullen Bryant, the presidents of twelve of the lead- ing colleges, and innumerable articles from the pens of the prin bishops, doctors of divinity and to say nothing of cle! 1 novels by Ley Ward 1 Beecher, Rev. Dr. Sess numberless other distinguished writers, Ought to know what newspaper enterprise is. And irom our of view and experience, we do not hesitate that the New York HgRaLp’s Livingstone expedition ia the greatest achievement in the way of newspaper enterprise which the world has ever seen. ie audacity in the conception, the liber- aity: in the outlay, and the vigor, skill and courage with which the enterprise was carmed to comple- tion were all worthy of a great metropoiitan jour- nal, and deserve the heartiest recogni from the entire newspaper world. {From the Philadelphia Inquirer, July 31.) MAN WITHOUT A NEWSPAPER, The letter of Dr. Livingstone to Mr. Bennett, of the New York Hpracp, will naturally suggest to the American mind the inquiry what is an intelli- gent man without a newspaper? Dr. Living: stone left England in 1858, and has had an imperfect knowledge of the at changes im Europe and "America since ehhat time. It Was a great fact to him to be told of the success of the Atlantic telegraph cable, The events of tho rebellion in this country, with its overthrow and the death of Lincoln, musi have been to him imperfectly known. Still more wonderful was the account of me ever of the great Napoleon, the arbiter of Europe when Dr. Livingstone jeft its poten and the great rise and unification of the lerman power under the leadership of Pruasia. work done by the boys. He stated that they had le Indeed, it is doubtful whether he could have had clear details of tuis great revolution. His letter, just published, was dated eight months and as Stanley probably Coannigg ul eight months in getting to him, he could have had very little account of the German war after the be- ginning of the year 1871, A€that time the war was ot closed, although the fall of Paris was at hand, ‘and the bi troubles with the Commune were to follow. Dr. Livingstone will, if he ever hears from civilization again, have much more to learn, and to him many things will have all the freshness of ro- eae which the civilized world haa already for- gotten, . {From the Washington Patriot, July 30.) Dr. Livmgstone’s letter to the editor of the New Yorg HERALD, thanking him for the forethought of sending out a reporter to hunt him up and interview him, is provoking in one particular, and this is, that he does not intimate that he was ever “lost."’ So far as he huaself was concerned he clearly does not belicve that he was ever in the category of missing men, ‘The sturdy Doctor does not betray any very great enthusiasm at the thought that Stanley found him; if the truth be known, so thorouglily English is he, he feels a little bitter over the thought that it was a United States fag, and not the British, which reeted his eyes on that memorable day when Stan- ey’s party came up carrying the Stars aud Stripes at their head, For the rest, the letter is that of a bold, maniy nature—just such a one, in fact, as we might have expected Srom our long-lost aad now new-found friend. {From the Pittsburg Despatch, July 29.) There is a spice of humor about Dr. Livingstone which peeps out in his interesting letters. He had seen a companion broken down in spirit and de- spairing of success in consequence of an accident to a photograph of his wife, and he could not resist langhing at the superstition which seriously re- garded such a trifle. Dr, Livingstone had seen his followers die around him or desert him like cowards. He had travelled for months with- out a sympathizing word to cheer him. He had suffered disappointment in the recetpt of supplies and had been forced back from the point at which he hoped to accomplish the main object of his tedious journeying. At last he found himself reduced almost to poverty by the treachery ofa knave, and with the prospect of beggary in that strange land before him; yet he refu: to de- spair or to believe that fate w: RERnSE him. The result por ee the wisdom of his philosophy. Relief came, disproving the reliability of the sign con- veyed by the broken photograph and showing the wisdom of constancy and hope. “Never despair’ is Livingstone’s motto in the wilds of Africa, and it is a good one anywhere. {From the Home Jourpal, New York, July 31.) AS IF FROM THE DEAD. Those who recollect a certain scene im Mr. Dickens’ powerful “Tale of Two Cities,” and the strange resemblance of that scene to a kindred in- cident in “‘Miggles,"’ will find a parallel between the queer sentence written by the fossil bank clerk in the former volume and the sensatiou in London when it was announced that David Livingstone had at last been found. There were who laughed when the Hrrap expedition, headed by Mr. Stanley, was builetined as having set out on its mission. There were who sneered when the first fruits of that expedition thrilled the cable, who muttered, ‘Another sensation!’ There have been those who doubted the authenticity of the prolix and double-leaded reports of Mr. Stan- ley’s success; but at last the matter assumes a shape fn which it is no longer possible to sneer, and probably the most audacious newspaper solu- tion of a problem ever attempted has been, beyond cavil, carried to a successful issue, Dr. Living. stone, whose fate has been the subject of years of speculation and many a newspaper hoax, looms from African wilds as If risen from the dead—as if, in obedience to the rod of a strange magician, the tomb doors had opened and revealed a Ilving boy e topic 1s not one for compliment, but for con- ban et memorial; aad in having con- jucted the work to a successful issue the HERALD has proved iteelf, as often before, an era-maker. While daylies, weeklies, magazines, scientists, gov- ernments have been enga; in useless guessing, by the enterprise of a single journal an expedition has been fitted out—has penetrated the barbaric wilds of Africa; at last emergiug with definite tidings of thesman. Carlyle’s dogma that the hero is summed up in_ the wor “action” has received an illustration that the world will not soon forget. While thinkers have been cleverly guessing the man action has settled the solution of the riddle—now thor- ougily autograph letters to Mr. Bennett from the great — printed last week, abundantly wit- Ness; at the same time erecting a historical monument, more enduring than statues of marble or bronze, in memorial of the man and the deed. Thus far on the side of congratulation. The scientific side remains to be examined. In his let- ters to the HenaLp—or rather to Mr. Bennett—Dr. Livingstone rather gossips than details new facts. He has stood face to face with the slave trade; has studied the negro man at home, as somebody re- cently did the Egyptian gentleman ; has taken notes and memoranda of social and domestic habits, of the beauty of their women; has crayoned some- what off-hand the Cazembe Queen; has looked into the psychological constitution of what Huxley terms the Negroid type. In his letters he has, of course, used his pencil very cursorily and somewhat at random, yet with minuteness enough to awaken a vivid popular curiosity. As to his main purpose, that of examining the watershed ofSouth Central Africa, he compresses his results into a lengthened paragraph, but one teem- ing with geographical suggestions, Passing ; the head of Lake ossa, on his jour- | pey inland, he finds ‘imself in the skirt | of a “broad belt of tree-covered upland, some seven hundred miles in length from west to east. ‘The general altitude is between four thousand and five thousand feet above the sea, and mountains stand on it at various points which are between six thousand and seven tlousand feet above the | ocean level. On this watershed springs arise | which are weil nigh innumerable—that is, it would | | take half a man’s life to count them. These | springs join each other and form brooks, which ego converge and become rivers, or say streams of twenty, forty or eighty yards, that never dry. All fow towards the centre of an im- meénse valley, which [ believe to be the Val- ley of tae Nile, In this trough there are at first three large rivers; then ail unite into one enormous lacustrine river, the central line of drain- age, which | name Webb's Iualaba. in this great valley there are five great lakes. One near the up- 7 end is called Lake Bemba, or more properly angweolo, but it is not a source of the Nile, for no large river begins in a lake. {ft is supplied by a river called Chambezi, and several others which may be considered sources, and out of 1t flows the larger river, Luapula, which enters Lake Moeva and comes out as the great lake river Lualaba, to form Lake Komolondo. West of Koinolondo, but still in the great valley, lies Lake Lincoln, which I name as my tribute of love to the great and good man America enjoyed for some time and lost, One of the three great rivera 1 mentioned, Bartle Frere’s or Luflra, falis into Komolondo, and Lake Lincoln becomes acustrine river and joins the central line of drainage, but lower down, All these united form the fifth lake, which the slaves sent to me in- stead of men forced me to my great grief to leave | as the Unknown Lake, By my reckoning it ts five degrees of longitude west of Speke’s position at Uji This makes it probable that the great lacustrine river In the valley 18 the western arm of Petherick’s Nile—the Bahar Ghazal—and not the eastern which Speke, Grant and Baker believed to be the river of Rg, If correct, this would make it the Nile, only, after all, the Bahar Ghazal enters the eastern arm. But though I found a wa- tershed between ten degrees and twelve degrees south—that Is a long way further up the valley than any one had yet dreawed—aud saw the sizeame of | some #ix hundred miles of it converging into the eentre of the t valley, no one knew where it went after that departure of Lake Moera. Some jecturead that it went into ‘Tanganyika; ary that . ne 1 Es gree ied we answering of the vexe ation of geography, be- sides contributing immeasurably to the. ethno- repaint and geographical knowledge of an in- wr which the ages have garlanded about with strange fables of strange and monstrous people, and ior or at least Jor the present ‘dissemtua’ tion oa ie world is indebted to Mr. Bennett, ‘who has thus furnished another Napoleonic idea to journalism. BUFFALO TROTTING MEETING. eR ee Looking over the entries and judging from pre- vious performances, publie and private time, that have transpired, the best horses in the various purses will most likely be as follows:— In the purse for four-year-olds and under, the colt that beats Rowe's Tommy will very probably be the winner. For the 2:27 purse Mr, Wallace’s bay gelding George has the most speed, Lolu next, One or the other should win. Among the ten entries for the.2:40 purse the win- ner will most probably be Comce or Strideaway. Comee is in the three iminute purse, and it will surprise his owner if there is one in that class that can beat him without he is pulled, as he has becn undoubtedly several times since he made his ap- Pearance on the turf. There are four entries for the 2:21 purse, and if Jay Gould cannot win that race, after what he did last year onthe same ground, he has retrograded in form and speed. He trotted in 2:22 at that time. Neither Susie, Huntress nor W. H. Allen has been there yet on a trot. The purses for horses that have never trotted better than 2:84 tive but three entries, and we take the race to be @ very open one, Kilburn will most likely be the favorite, The trot for five-year-olds and under has five entries, and the favorites will be Zilealdie and Rowe’s Tommy. ‘The $10,000 purse for horses that have beaten 2:30 has ten entries, the winner of which should be Mr. Harker’s Gazelle; still there is a Golddust in it that wil go low down in the twen- ties. Hickok’s St. Elmo is also entered for the purse, and if he wins it every trotting man in the country will be satisfled that this horse has been pulled in every race that he has trotted for the past three years. The pulling has been exposed in the HERALD from time to time. Of the many horses entered in the 2:50 purse little is known, except by their immediate friends, and, of course, they do not require advice. There are seven green entries to puzzle the sharps who control the pool box. ‘The 2:25 purse will be won by either Judge Ful- lerton or Nonsuch, or else the slate will be broken. The extra purse for pacers to come off on Satur- day, August 3, will be a sharp affair; but if Billy Boyce 18 28 good a horse as he was when he was in this neighborhood a few years ago, he will win; if not, the race will fall to Dan Voorhees, as the latter can pace in the “teens,” All the stables at Monmouth Park are doing well, and the horses yesterday morning tn their exercise never appeared to better advantage. The majority ofthe stables worked before breakfast, and it was an animating scene to witness the great flyers take their gallops. The horse that surprised the lookers on most was Kingfisher, who seems eptirely cured ofthe “leg” that he had last summer. The only horse on the ground that appeared to favor his legs at all was John Harper’s Lyttleton, and after his work he seemed to be a trifie lame on one of his fore legs. Old mau Harper says it will not hurt him at all for any of the races he intends to start him in; but he thought the same of Longfellow, when he was told that the great horse pulled up lame after his work on the day he broke down. Sound legs are the best to bet on in all races, nevertheless. In yester- day’s HERALD we said it was unfortunate that the Monmouth Park races and the Buffalo trotting meeting came off on the same days. An old turfite—one who docs not believe in the honesty of the trotting games as they are carried on at the present day—thinks a better arrangement could not have been made. He sald that “he supposed about one hundred devotees of the trotting tracks and followers of the rings would go from New York to Buffalo; but when that fact was once known to the public, five hundred gentlemen who were fond of racing would feel safe in going to the races.” Many old turfmen in this land could not be induced to go to a trot, and they seem to despise all who do. General Buford, of Kentucky, is one of those men who believe in the thoroughbred horse, with a pedigree golng back to the Godolphin Arabian, and “nothing shorter.” A gentleman who owned trot- ting mares and stallions, and was a large breeder in Kentucky, once asked the General if he did think Nellie Gray would produce a good trotter in case she was bred to a@ trotting stallion. This “red” the General, and he replied, “Yes, a very good trotter no doubt, and, sir, should I breed her to a Maltese jackass, I have no doubt she would. produce a good mule, d—n you." The owners of racehorses at Monmouth Park, who wish to enter for the Schell Cup, would oblige the handicappers by placing the names of their re- spective horses in the entry box on Tucsday after- noon, so that the weights assigned to them may be promulgated op Saturday during the races on that day. McDaniel & Co, only send one of their great stable to Monmouth Park tothe great delight of other owners of horses there and turfmen gener- ally, as had Harry Bassett been sent down he would have had @ walk over in all the races that he Is en- gaged in, which would have spolied the sport in all the leading events of the meeting. The railroad facilities to Monmouth Park have been greatly improved since the last meeting, and the time occupied in going and returning from the races will be lessened, HAMPDEN PARK RACES. SPRINGFIELD, Mass., July 31, 1872. | A large number of entries for the FalkMceting of the Hampden Park Association in August, from the 20th to the 23d, have already been received, The books wiil close August 3. THE DOCKMEN'S STRIKE, The Men Still on Strike at Pler 1l=—The Police on the Alert. The dockmen employed by the Metropolitan Steamship line, plying between this city and Bos- ton, who turned out a few days ago for an advance of $10 per month, have not yet succeeded in in- | ducing the agent, Mr. Dimock, to yield to their de- mands, Yesterday they loitered about pier 11 all | day, waiting for an opportunity to attack any of the twenty men who took their places at the old rates of wages; but Captain Cherry, with a sufl- | cient force of police, was present, and during the day no demonstration was made. The company's b was materially delayed by the fact that asi pany B all the new hands are inexperienced men, but they sheceeded in loading the Glaucus, which went to sea at one o'clock yesterday afternoon. Thelr men were at once put at work unloading the steamship Hatteras, which arrived yesterday morn- ing. Several of the strikers, who are, by the way, not members of Say ‘longshoteman’s tnton, yeater: day declared their intention, if opportunity offered, to attack the men who had taken their places; but the police escort the men to and from their work and no breach of the peace is expected unless some of the new men expose themselves when the police are not within hailing distance. | ‘A strike of the Safe Despatch Transportation | Company's employés, about ten in number, oc- curred yesterday morning at pier 10; but their de- mand for $15 per week and forty cents per hour for extra work was conceded, and the men returned to work. This information was derived from the police; but the agent evaded the question: of a Pg) py saying, “We had no strike; our men are at work." At pler No. 29 there has also been a strike since Monday, the strikers demanding forty cents an hour in place of thirty cents, The Great Southern Freight and bow gn io Line occupy the wharf, and are determined neither to accede to the demand for wages nor to receive the men back. They have em) sige fresh wa and tiey are expected to Pe rm the work in a few weeks as well as the old nes, The strikers cautioned men in the columns of a paper on Monday morning against working for less than forty cents an hour, and the police are r Ur bDAD Gel Kept on hang 70 prevent any dist ¢ .-WITH SUPPLEMENT. . SRO ES a a THE DOCKS AND THE COMPTROLLER. Meeting of the Sinking Fand Commission Yes- terday—A Discussion on the New Dock Plans—The Gompiroller’s Opposition— One Million Dollars Granted— What the Eighteenth Ward Market Has Come To. A meeting of the Sinking Fund Commission was held yesterday in the office of the County Auditor, when business ofa very Important character was transacted, The following Commissioners were pres- ent:—The Mayar (in the chair), Recorder Hackett, Comptroller Green, Chamberlain Palmer and As- sistant Alderman Pinckney, There were also in attendance Dock Commissioners Agnew and Kane, and General McClellan, Engineer to that Commis- sion, ERIE RAILROAD PROPERTY. ‘The COMPTROLLER announced that he had ap- pointed Mr. Ludiow, the auctioneer, as valuer of the Erle Ratiroad property. THE EIGHTEENTH WARD MARKRT. An application was read from the Strect Cleaning Commissioner, asking that the Kighteenth Ward Market be granted to them as a storehouse. ‘The RECORDER suggested that the market be sold | to the Commission for that purpose. The ComPrro._er said that he doubted whether the perversion of the property by its sale for any purpose other than that of a market, would not enable the property owners to recover thelr prop: | erty again. The question was referred to the | Comptroller and the Recorder. THE PLANS OF THE DOCK COMMISSION. The Mayor sald that the special order at this | meeting was the hearing of the Comptroller in ref- | erence to the plans of the Dock Commission. Tie Comptroller had said at the last meeting that he labored under the disadvantage of Knowing some- thing about it, The CoMrrRoLLER desired the plans to be un- folded and laid on the table and thon inquired about what it was the Commission was called upon to approve. The Mayor explained that the plans were pre- pared by the Department of Docks, and that, ac- cording to the section of the laws under which the Department was constructed, the Sinking Fund Commission was made the custodian of the city property, and the ir duty was to ascertain that the city property was not illegally infringed upon, That was the prevailing sentiment of the Commis- sion when the former plans came up, ard now the remainder of the plans were submitted for ap- proval. He (the Mayor) was of the same opinion now as he was then, and relying upon the integrity and capability of the experts who submitted the plans, he should, ex cathedra, give his vote for their approval. The Comptroller had, however, made a very food point at the last meeting, and took exception to the present bey because they inilitated against a prior idea of the Commissioners of the Central Park, the Legislature having given | them some jurisdiction ia reference to Spuyten Duyvil Creek, ‘The COMPTROLLER said that some three or four years ago he was called upon to act in reference to this very question as to the buikuead, and there- fore he had had some experience in refer- ence th Before he spoke, that qu , he begge to very respectfully, that he differed the | Mayor in bis definition of the duties of the Sinking Fund Commission. As he read the act of the Legis- lature Commission had the responsibility im- posed upon them of examining the plans and of ap- roving or rejecting them. The Commissioners of Docks, according to the plans presented, propose to construct @ bulkhead line and a pier-head line, running irom Sixtieth street, North River, north- | erly to Spuyten Duyvil Creek to Hariem River, and Grdnd street, on the East River, and also a strect running through the Manhattan Valley 150 feet wide. He had examined the act under which the Commission was formed, and he saw nothing but an inferential power to do this, This power was | one which had been very carefully guarded by the Legislature, and he did not think it was.svise to take such large powers under only an inferential permission. ‘the Comptroller explained at length, with the assistance of a Central Park map, the water line that was defined by the engineer ot the | Central Park Commission, in the year 1857, and marked on the map. He held that the Dock ’Com- mission had no power to deviate from that line, In saying that he did not wish to impede the progress of the magniiicent enterprise of the Dock Commis- sion, which he knew was in good and faithful hands; but there wore rights that would be interfered with that would result necessarily in pda litigation, He, therefore, did not approve of he pier head lines. He also disapproved of the 60 feet street. There was no authority in the law for any such street. ‘The Mayor read a gection of the law which he said gave the needful power, ‘The ComPrroLveR contended that he did not so read it. He supposed that the Dock Commission did not claim any jurisdiction in the grading and | curbing of stree President AGNEw—Yes; we do not claim it. The ComrrRoLLER--The plans did not remedy the great want of this city, which was a cheaper mode of removing merchandise. There was no city on the Continent where the cost of that removal was greater {han this. By the Park Commission line 1 | men yesterday afternoon, = et in Bank street. A communication was received from a guaence of the oreety ows i hte nae upon the ground that the elty had no ri levy iP inasnace as they had twice paid assessments for like improvements. ahyate wes taken aud the agsessment was con- rmed, An assessment for regulating, signs, e., Sixth avenue, from 110th street to Harfem River, wag taken tp. Connsel for Mr, William B. Aster ob- Jected to the assessment on the ground that some of the items seemed to be exorbitant, Mr. O’Gor- man said that the charges should be specified, soaa to have them examined by the Board, and he sug- gested that the counsel make his objections Specific. ‘The motion was then laid ever. ‘The Beard then confirmed an assessment for regu- lating, grading, &c,, Kighty-third street, between Highti avenue and the Drive, Board then adjourned to Friday next. THE CONTRACT SYSTEM. en a What It Cost to Lay Wooden Pavements—Meet- ing of the Commissioners Yesterday After- noon—Testimony of Chemists in Re- lation to tho Hamar Pavement. an oe The Commissioners appointed under chapter 580° of the Laws of 1872 to examine into the facts circumstances relating to the contracts made by the Mayor, &c., of this city with several persons for paving different styeets in the upper portion of the city was held in the Charaber of the Board of Alder- The contract of the Hamar Wood Pavement Company for paving Fitth avenne from 124th street to 130th street and other portions of the city was the first case culled. Mr. A. Feurtis, a civil engineer, was the first witness called und testiiied to taking bioeks from the streets paved by the Hamar Company; ex- amined the pavement on the 15th of July, 18723 ex- amined two of the blocks; they were perfectly sound; [have studied chemistry; I assisied in the analysis; Vrofessor Chandler assisted me; the block contained 144 cuiie inches; it took three days to complete the analysis; I was not present more than one hour on the | last day; the blocks used were commen pine, of & commercial natur have purchased several mil- lion dollars’ worth of spruce in diferent parts of the work; I can’t swear to the marketable value of spruce in this city; Mr. Gardnev, an old builder, ine formed me pine was not worth near half as much as spruce; I never purchased any lumber with him; the tar and gravel were practically worn off from the pavement; in my analysis I found no zine in the blocks: if the blocks had been Burnatized there would have been zine in them. Professor Henry Wurtz, & chemist of twenty-five years’ practice, was next called, Have been an ex- aminer in the Patent Office, Washington ; the effect of chloride of zine $n wood and its fibres is to coms bine it, and renders it insuoh a condition that it cannot be dissolved; wood with zinc in it requires @ special and careful examination to detect it; wood will consume bey pounds of liquid to the eubie foot; F. W. Sterry and Liliob Sandford placed the blocks examined by me in my hands. The Professor here read to the Com- missioners his report of the analysis of two of the Hamar blocks; sulp @ of zine appeared in the ashes upoh the blocks being burned, Professor Chandler testified that the Hamar blocks analyzed by him contained no ciloride of zine; zine is a very difticnlé metal to detect, especially when in small quantities. Mr, Sterry, a witness examined on Tuesday, was recalied and tostifivd that the locks analyzed by: him were taken from the pavement in Fist! avenue, where they had been taken up for the pur- pose of putting in pas pipes; they were analyzed In the United States Assay Oftlce, ° Messrs. Sterry and Sandford were called, and tes- tifled that the blocks analyzed wero taken froin the Hamar pavement in Forty-sixth street by them on ‘Tuesday night, Anafidavit Was read from John G. Moore, a lumber merchant, which set forth thet he had furnished the Hamar Wood Pavement Com- pany with a large amount of Burnatized wood, which had been used by them in fulfilling their contracts made with the city, |. N. Beers, one of New York's reformers, was called for the prosecution and testified that he had thoroughly investigated the matter and had ar- rived at the conclusion that it would not cost more than $2 75 per square yard to lay any wooden pave- ment; the cost of putting down sprace pavement in Cincago was $1 50 per square yard; in Boston, for putting down Burnatized spruce was $2 80; in Newark, $3 44; the amount contracted by ©, H. Green, President ot the Hamar Company, for paviug certain streets in this city was $5 per-square yard; the different wood pavement companies in this city refused to put down any more pavements becatse they were compelled to | Pay $1 per square yard to the Coimon Council for the purpose of getting thelr contracts. The actual cost of the Miller wood pavement is $278 per square ard, This includes wood, tar, sand and labor. Jontractors have informed me’ that when they made bids they were asked by “the powers that be” how much inoney there was in it; they would be compelled to add $1 additional per square yard to their contract in order to get it through, Mr. Calkins told me he would take a contract to pave any street with wooden pavement for $3 75 per square yard, Stephen ‘H. Ingersoll, @ wood pavement con- tractor, testified that the testimony of the last wit- ness was inacurate as to the amount paid per square the twenty-five miles of dangerous navigation in the East River could be avoided and the great expense of removal saved, That was not met by the present plans. There were @ number of property owners whose rigtts would be infringed on were these plans carried out, and he understood that opposition would come from ther. Mr, Green here read the opinion of the late engineer of the Park Commission, which was He concluded by suggesting that, ap there was no immediate necessity for these works to proceed, time be taken for further consideration, General MCCLELLAN, after a few preliminary re- marks, read the following answer:—~ The lines recommended by the Dock Commissioners are preterred to those of the Park Commissioners for the tollowing reasons Firat—The princip! the river walk and af maintained is for ot Second—The avea of the ished so much and the maintained. Third—The location of the river wall should be fixed notonly by soundings, but algo borings, which last de- | termine the depth of water that can be given atthe wall | by dredging. Insucha case ag this, where the bed-rock | off very boldly and rapidly, it is most important | the line of the river wall as near the shore as able, in order to retain the cost of construction narrowest Jimits. A Inrge number ot bores taken within the ‘above rove that at those places where head lines of the Park | Commissi Dock Commissioners differ, the bulky ine of the | of a broad river street, bordering ding ample space to portions of the city. tion of the river is not dimin. isting regimen is more nearly | racti Within mentioned | the — bulk- | ners and unfavorable to the plan of the Dock Commission. | yard; Lhave heard con ctors had to pay some- thing to the Common Council to get a contract through; it cost $4 30 per square yard to lay the Hamar pavement; I can aviord to do the work $1 60 cheaper per square yard in Newark than in New York, because when you get your work done in the | former city you get your inoney, while in this city you can’t get it at all. (Applause.) ‘The case was here adjourned until half-past four P.M, to-day. DAY LABOR AND CONTRACTS, Commissioner Van Nort, of the Department ot | Public Works, has stopped all repairs to wooden pavements, the Department of Finance having re- fused to pay the bills incurred therefor, on tho railways, he | ground that the work shonid have been advertised | and publicly let, notwithstanding the oficial opin- fon of the Corporation Counsel that the Commis- sioner of Public Works had the right to have these repairs done by day’s work, In answer to numerous compiaints froi property owners and occupants on the Jines of the streets paved with wooden pave- ment, some five and one half miles of strects were thoroughly repaired at a cost of $49,200 44, Ow to the delays and additional expenses inc. dent to the contract system, these repairs could | not have been done as economically and as expedi- tiously by contract, Compiaints are still received and on file at the Department of Public Worksask- Dock Commissioners has about 4.46 iil on which twenty feet and upwards can-be obtained with and with- | outdredging and about, one mile with less than twenty | feet. There ar bout 7 9-10 miles in all between these | pints; so that if the portions where the lines of the two Dommissions coine ide had twenty feet throughout there would of the Dock Commissioners’ line be ab: t 69-10 mnlles wiih twenty feet depth of water and about one mile with loss than twenty sect. : | Fourth—For reasons already given the construction of tho river wail, as recommended by the Dock Commis. | sioners, will be much easier and more economical than | } that of the Park Commissioners. | Fifth—The line of the Dock Commissioners is more uni- | form, afvords a freer sweep to the water, with less lia- | Dility to eddies, Sicth—itis reparded as advisable to denart.as litle ag possible from, the of 1457, determined after mature deliberation by Colonel Totten, Protessor Bache and ‘Admiral Davies, except when some object’ of vital im- | portance is to b¢ gained by doing so. Seventh—From the nature of the ground in rear and the | uurposes to Which jt Is devoted, It fs improb: t this | focultty can for many fenerations be requ tensive commerce, carried on by large ve fore thought best to retain the pier-hoad which will give a maxinitm length of pier o feet, and to provide for vessels larger than that by using portions of the river wall as a quay or landing place. By this arrangement the carefully considered live of 1857 {5 presorved, the area of the water way fu te deepest, pari Of the river is affected as little as possible, and the heads of pressure kept ina reasonable and sufficient depth of water. ‘Fighth—That a system of long piers will not for many ears be required along this portion of the river front Will appear from the consideration of the fact that in 864 the harbor of Liverpool possessed ouly 1 1-10 miles | y front, while under our mew system we shal | have trom Filty-firststrect, East River (by the Batter ixty-drat street, North River, about thirty-seven m! Ny accommodation; from Fifty-first, street, Harlem Bridge three and ‘a hait miles, from | Harlem Bridge to the mouth of Spuyten Dayvil six, and miles, and from the ‘mouth of Spay. ton Duyvil to | Sixty-nt strees North River Ww! counting the {ng a totl of about. 54 010 miles. Bearing it mind, too, the large present and future accommodation on the Jersey side and at Brooklyn itis improbable that Jarger piers than those provided will ever be required, and quite Certain that for many years (his portion of the Kiver front will be used only for local purposes. Mach Cpon the request of the Chief Engineer of the Department of Parks the slight modidcgtions ot the bulk- head line are recommended for adopt ‘These it practicable to construct some necessary communicating streets with an easy grade, and the ‘advantages thus gained are not counterbalanced by the resulting disad- vantage A long discussion followed, in the course of which the Mayor strenuously urged the public necessity that there was for the expediting ‘of the work of the Dock Commission, and he proposed that the Comptroter be empower€d to raise from time to time, as the Dock Commission shall require, $1,000,000 on bonds, This was unanimously adopted, The further consideration of the plans nd al until the first Wednesday in Sep- ember. 5 BOARD OF ASSESSMENTS, The Board for the Revision and Correction of As- seasments met yesterday, Comptrolle" Green in the chair. After appreving the minutes of the pre- vious session, My. Storrs, Clerk of the Board, read a list of aa- sessments awaiting confirmation. The first was an aasesameont for regulating. grading, guttering, &¢., ing for needed repairs to these pavements, PAYMENT OP INTEREST ON THE CITY AND COUNTY DEBT. Comptroller Green has provided the means to be disbursed in payment, on the Ist of August, of the interest on the city and county debt, due on that day, viz. :— Interest on city stocks and bonds. Interest on county bonds... Total eee + $445,708 Of the above amount $126,660 is payable, to the | Commissioners of the Sinking Fund, being for in- terest on stocks and bonds held by said Commission. COMPTROLLER’S PAYMENTS, Comptrolier Green has paid the wages of the “big pipe men” to July 15, $25,000; laborers on street Farr o July 15, $8,000; “small pipe men” to July 5, THE PARK OOMMISSIONERS, Ameeting of the above Commissioners was held | yesterday, when @ number of plans were submitted for gatcways, central fountain in Washington square and drawings and working plans of the Art Museum buildings on Central Park. Commissioner Green submitted a resolution, which was passed, defining the following line of jurisdiction ‘between the county of New York and the county of Westchester as and at the line of low water mark on the Westchester side of the Harlem River; and, accol to this definition of the line of jurisdic- tion, feet of Central Bridge are in the county of New York, and 849 feet in the county of Westehes- ter, as the same how exists.” An appropriation of $60,000 was ordered for the repairing and intaining the bridge acrogs the Harlem River known as Central Bridge, WEEKLY REPORT ON STREET OLBANING. ‘The following Is the report of work done by. the Street Cleaning Bureau during the week ending uly 27, 1872:— ees . leaned first tim Siles of Avot ctoaned second Miles orstreets cleaned third time Milles of streets cleaned four Hh wind vixii thanes’ Total... There was removed from the city during the week i— Of ashes. en n Ofdirt.. ‘72 Total........++ 14,988 ‘The cost of doing this work was as follows:— 8,610 dnya' labor, at $1 75 per day 96,31 Ob daya ash carmen, ae etper day feild 2 800 91308 88734 days, dirt cartmen, at $4 per da; Toth... secesrereresene