The New York Herald Newspaper, October 6, 1871, Page 5

» " war; , “OS RR na fe read a great d . Around the CNR NaI sss) Eee Ahh Bata sorte d the World with the Great Amerfean Statesman, Aaa beand: A Chinese Prototype of Tam- many Hall. would be reaay in ¢1 to vsaboard. And he kent word. Mutt ‘was & us trip. Of all po wecient einen this is the mm the month of May. still we bravely wae up as we “4 epee ras einige ogg suppose, Mr, Seward, your interview Sultan was equally interesting. My ers any ‘ainst the Khedive?? Interviews with the ‘Mikado, Khedive, Suitam and President’ Thiers. id he have any- ig not given to personalities. He is conscientious and well-intentioned. He was very amlavle to me, Oi course he 18 not so far advanced 1n Dis ideas as the Khedive. sutin t there is a Personal government. It 1s the Khedive who rules absolutely, while in Turkey it ig the Ministry of ue ‘Sultan that is the ruling power.” “What is your opinion about President Thiers, whom we heard you visited at Versailies t” “1 think M, Thiers 18 @ man of wonderful activity, for his age, I dined with him the day on which hi ¢ SEWARD ON THE PRESIDENCY. His Stock in ‘the Seneca Stone Quarry. “tal Io & ve powers Were prolonged as President of t.1¢ Republic. “PARESEILL, Oct, 6 18714 |} BS St IshowId "be present ar the oaleoeaeaa o ens ration oF _ Reek fromehis travels t« The representative sjates: | Toh nonor whieh has been conierredseben gin Ot whose footsteps have encircled % 9 J course, he was guarded in his.conversation peed oneé more upon his native heath. “4 ing the government. As the President of the Tepublio he could not appear to favor a monarchy, «The oonat New York Tangements for the coming races with the Livonia Met at the office of Rear Commodore Osgood yester- day afternoon, and were mm session more than an hour. Tne only matter of importance decided upon ‘was the appointment of Fleet Captain Schuyler a Committee of one to walt upon Mr. Ashbury and obtain his views in writing as to how he anderstands othe, rages shail be sailed. Later in the day these y what piéastire’ aia’we from’ time fo umé’ Teports » irdin . afer; how :Sultaa, ‘Tycoon, vied .. with .one and 1 believe that he will give the republic a fair trial—the best trial it ever had; 1 also hayo strong hopes that & republic will be the ulthmate government of France.” +, Mr, Seward Was eulogistic on almost every sub- jeét that came up during the conversation. un his ) arrival at bis home in Auburn he said he will have completed his circle round the world, Auburn havihy been his starting potnt. He has travelled 425 dayg, av the average rate of eighty miles a day. He further remarked:—“Americans are now the fashion all over vhe world. No representative of a nation: was ever recelyed with euch high honors as | nave. beon in the East, and I have yet vw find the counwy where Americans are not liked.” Coming to subjects nearer home I atcartied him ‘With the abrupt question, “Mr, Seward, would you care to be President of bei 1 caunct opens. eth upon this subject,’ D 8 propriety sul Tam not ambitious. Ishall take my rest now and retixe for @ wile from pohucs.” Phave already had honors’? doubt that Grant will be re- “It ia rather premature to say that, The wisest phitosopher can only tell what sort of weather we shad have to-day—he cannot pazard any such pre- dictio ee next poetit Mp last gininie ee speculations 'e cannot pene She iestene Of Providence.” " “Then the election of President Grant is in the penis of Providence, not in the hands of the elec. ors" “Whas.I mean to say 1s that the designs of Provi- dence are fulfilled, independently or the wishes of “When in England, did you read, sir, about the Tammany frauds’? ‘4 did not, £ heard of them for the first time yesterday.” i “80 you are’not aware, I suppose, that.there is a split 1 the republican’ party, and that mutual criminations and recrimimations are the ordér of tho The Murphyites or Conkling men cuarge that reeley did all the mischief,” never knew Mr, Greeley to make mischief,’? (Im irony.) ~ In the course of our conversation 1 happened to say:— “a few days ago I read a story in a morning paper to the effect that President Grant was juterested in a@stone quarry in Maryland. 1 believe the same paper asserted that the President had received as & &Ut $25,000 worth of shares, and through nis influ- ence the company is said to be realizing enormous proiita, because ail the public buildings m Wasbé ington, are being built by contract of that same ne. a “Why, this 18 far tore interesting. news to. mo than I have been abit to give you during the whole ofour conversation, ‘1 ama shareholder for $82,000 in the Seueca Stone Quarry, but 1 did not receive them as a gil I gave my note for the money, and am very giad to hear ‘the shareholders are likely to receive gooa dividen: I dia ea al high ex- pectationsin the enterprise. I think «the ‘Seneca the United States.fels tnat they were .nonored tn | ixSecretary. Through the cor- “HERALD tlie’ world’ has been how "Mh Seward” nad “exctiangeo the! compliments’: of! the ‘season with’ | the @reat Mikado, who had, never: beforg unveiled his @acred face to any foreigacr; how the Anglo-lndian @ristocracy paia homage to the genius of the great ‘American traveiler; ana, 10 crown all honors, we sbail further om read how the Sultan and the Khedive nearly broke out into open quarrel about $e question who should have the precedence in extending hospitalities to Grand Vizler Seward, ‘The object of so much vencration ts now quietly + Feposing in the secluded summer: residence of his son, Mr. Frederick H, Sewara, near Montrose, on the Hudson, almost oppostte-Verpianck's Point, the Distorical spot where Major Andr6’s intssion was ‘brought toa fatal end! Thither drove to-day from the nolgnhoring village of Peekskill, and after alighting from the buggy was met by Mr. Frederick H. Seward and shown into the parlor to await tue return of the “old gedtleman,” who was out for a mornmg walk. afer afew minutes’ waiting, during wnich I ad: fired the beaatifal scenery and view of the ‘Hudgon presented irom tms point, fthere appeared ; OM the veranda the form of a man very much bent with age, whose face, however, ‘still wore a cheerful, healthy look. I at once recognized the ‘well-known ‘form and features of the Hox. Wiliam H. Seward. After the introduction, agd—t ‘was going to say customary handshaking, bot there was no handshaking, because, alas! Mr. Seward bas long since been aeprived of the use of Doth his: hands, ‘which are paralyzedi “After ‘the mioductory remarks, Mr. Seward drifted into lengthy description of his wayels, of which more ‘he famous Secretary is physically but'a wreck of Mas former self; though he yet starts mocn of that mental Vigor whitch made him oné ofthe, heroes in eur great strife for nationgkexistence. Hiseyes still reflect the Ught ol. a mteect; Bis face is almost florid with neath. “In fact, the tont around | Sone is the very best, tila, could be used for build- the world seems to have’ greatly penefited nim. 1 | ing arposes."" Ait aaa, compared By ’ began: 4 i : d there remains nothing for re ward, oe i book on your travel?” =ats. Seward I. am:promd to weiggme you back to your Dative couniry, after your.extended travels by sea and land.” cog “I'am giad you, jir} 1'supposs yon are igitug bo vs injcaaat veer? i" $e a8 [aspire to thas honor, although You will -pardon~ me for saying, the most ambitious of us cannot rival your acbievements in the way of interyiewing—for ‘gre You not, str, ‘the Great American Interviewer as’ ‘well as the Gréat American Traveller. Witness your anterviews with che great vetled Mikado, the Sul- fan, the Czar and the Khedive—demi-gods who Jord ig over the tribes of men. But, talking about. the Mikado, what chance has civilization in Japan?’ “It ia progresving there with gigantic strides, The with great facitity to our @ivilzavion and are emulous—I will not say imita- , Stve-of foreigners. Not so with the Chingse, ‘who, after all, are of the same race ag the Japanese. ‘The reason of the diferente w tis: J isa very narrow country, and t bongee where the mhabitants come 3 foreigners. But the Chinese, of @ few places, have had few lishmen and Americans. Besidea, ‘Populated that the inhabitants the uimost—to work rittng books, or inven ne ks, anything cise nave jrayelied for my of Earl on the u presets the salient point of my very plea- SERRE eA 5s OTL ’ x NEW: YORE -OPMTMALMIC HOSPITAL, ing at tho Corer ‘of Third Avenue and Tweuty-third Stréct—A Noble and Deserve. ing Charity. About falf-past nine o'clock yesterday morning a Igrge number of persons commenced gathering at the corner of Twenty-third street and Third avenue for the purpose of witnessing the ceremony attend- “tng the laying of the corner stone of the New York ‘Ophthalmic ‘Hospital, which is, or rather will be, sitaaied at the above mentioned locality, The insti tion‘ ever gince 1t was Lrst incorporated in 1852, has occupied the old building at the corner of Twenty- eighth street and Fourth avenue, which is weil Known as the Peter Cooper residence. Here thou- sands of suffering patients have been gratuitously treated for diseases of the eye and ear, and the amount of good thus done and suffering and misery thas amelforated, is beyond all human calculation. Indeed, & more nopie and Christianly charity than tnia one cannot be imagined. The old quarters at the Cooper residence pecom- reapecis @ perfect one, and there are branches of science and artin which they are ‘advance of us, The Chinese are very serious trative, Take, for ustance, the Chinese iit sat lor Ft on tao eyed gs me pe e@onecientiously, a8 long as you pay hin. Bui does not think he Is under any obligation to you even if you add to his wages. He will not ag thank you, There 18 not, bowever, a Red im existence than the Mongolian race 1n 7) there much corruption in the Chinese govern- . particularly in the city government ot boast of ‘Rings’ something like our ipg too small, and not being as well the: of China 1s a vory corru; 2 aie poston is at alsa adapted to the necessities and require- there 18 ve examina» {ments of the institution as was desired, very to those fae pressing needs Something handsome for nemnse! ‘Boss’ Tw and the rest of the Ring are, ‘Biter ail, bat servile imitators of the more ancien! ype beg your pardon, sir; you that the Chinese were in some things even ot us. If 1 mistake not, among other you have scen the Emperor of, ft was determined vy the Board of Directors to erect a new and commogious building where the workings of the charity can not only be greatly fa- cilitated, but can be considerably extended el poeoriingy the site at the northeast corner of for fe rd My hs ae ‘Third stem ‘was “ey te end on lay August work wus be- gun ‘he uing. which is now up ‘two stories, &@ frontage of fifty feet on Third avenue and cept ave Jeet on Twenty-third strect. It is bell “put pressed brick, with brown stone caps and Sinn inas, and when completed will bave a total el on of eighty-five feet from the sidewalk to the of the Maasard roof, with which it wil be covered. It will have three and a half stories, With cellar under the whole structdre. At the cor ner ofthe avenue and Preney-spird there will be two towers, each twenty-five Lid The = ee ee i€ $80,000.” Sorpesong of lay: corner stome was com- meniced at ten olack. Mt ng. Among tue assem! which had at this time as- sumed somewhat formidaple proportions, were no- tieed a large r of ladies, all of. whom were comfortably seated by the committee in. charge within good hearing distance of the speakers, gn the platform were Mr. John Harper, Dr. Chapin, Dr, Carl Dunham, Dr. Allen, Dr, Lieboid, Mr, John M. Seaman and many other well known citizens. At the conclusion of a few well timed remarks by Mr. Cooper upon opening the ceremony, prayer was offered up by the Rev. Dr. Crosby, after which Rev. Dr. Chapin wag introduced, and in a speech of but & few moments told in 9 most elo- uent manner of the great amonnt of good which the New York Ophthalmic Hospital has done and of what it ig yet destined, under the peering of God, to accom) Addresses were also delivered by several other prominent gentiemen, after which— the stone having been placed im position—the aagsemblage dispersed, competiti ; but in practice offices are can raise the most taxes, out of the people. to satisty the government and to put by my journey able.’? with the Mikado of Japan must 7 Very interesting; now was it brougnt “Tne Primo Minister of Japan askea me me and hour when [ wished to seo the Mikado. ir mark Of distinction 1 was granted oudienco—a favor which had never be been Conterred upon La Beg accompanien by our Minister, Mr. Long. fe first called on the Prime Alister of Japan, Who Us 10 a summer house, where we were entertained, Thea we eee throngh tast sum. tl bao. come to receive us, ror he ne I ores ver leav for such ® purpose. He was dressed with splendor and surrounded by bis court. ‘The 10 18 A young Man of twenty-two. fe does appear to Lean extraordinary genius, nor does Joo« insignificant. Hels intelligent and seems to perfectly conscious of the dignity of bis posiuon. ‘The presentation was in this imanver:—Tne Prime Minter took a sheet of paper, wrote somethin; On it and presented It to the Mt With his wand orscepire. The interpreter there- upon transiated it—‘Ssalutation to the Minister of the United States.’ Mr. Ve Long then introduced tothe Mikado, and his words were translated . fame interpreter, written on another sheet of handed to the Emperor. The rest of the Was carried on inthe same manncr, made some flattering remarks about Be amen Nation, and told the Ministers to con- nie, as one who had great experience of pcg and would give them valuabie informa- in maay things. umber NEW YORK ATHLETIO CLUB. The regular monthly meeting of the New York Athletic Clab was held on Wednesday evening last, at thelr club rooms and gymnasium, Nos. 4and 6 East Twenty-eighth’ street, President Colonel Wm. E. Van Wyck in the chair. It was de- etded that the ‘fall games” of the clab—open only to the members of the club—will take place on Satarday afternoon, October 21, at two o'clock, without regard to weather. The entries will close on the 16th inst, The games to take place are:— Broad jump, high jump, swimming 100 yards; hur- die race and Carder mile foot race, tor the cham- pion gold me: als of the elub (valued at $100 eac! The conditions attached to these jala are that they shall be neld for two years by the winner, sub- ject to the challenge Of any other member, It is at length given to the one who has suceesstuily held it against all comers for the prescribed time. Gold club pins wili then be given by John B.peved, Richard Meares and Colonel Wm. E. Van Wyck for handicap games of half mile foot race and putting tne sixteen-pound shot, A one mile walk will then take place for the other clab pin. Every effort wall ‘be made to make the exhibition a success in eth cos turmcenaees, os eee pisces Be cigut oClook in the yong” 5 ud I did have several con- with the Prime Minister, whom I found to @ man of liocral ideas.’’ “fa The Japanese government as corrupt as te Gninese" i, no; ic is, on the contrary, very honest. There (han oan Japan and it has full controt of vernm eal, sir, about your bril- by the Khedive of Egypt.’ am under great obligations to the Kne- Un my arrival at Suez there was a special wre, to take me to Cairo and @ palace my disposal. was ‘ Yes, Indeed, the Kne- or modern faeas.” I nin he is whe in the world.” aaah, ‘he not speak to you, sir, of his quarrel with ro) hedive never tome in terms of dis. ortho Sultan, and I in bay wit Waite in Sultan, but in |, ques: and nataral manner. Se dinootuiy and claims 19 equal to er ge literary task.’ ‘ ‘fhe interview las! ‘about two hours, and the |(MORMONISH. appointed at the meeting of the Club on Wednesaay to perfect ar- met and had a long talk over the matter, ‘Q0d Without doubt at the meeting of the committee to-day, to be held at the same place, Mr. Ashbury’s Yesponse will be read and acted upon. It is under- stood that Mr, Ashbury seriously objects to sailing over the club course, and hag full confidence in the Livonta's abilities to carry away the Queen’s Cu The Livonia will be taken on the box dock this morning and her needed repairs at once cum- menced. Her new bowsprit will be. fitted to-day, and, should the weather remain pleasant, the yuebt Will pe in readiness for her important work by day or Wednesday of next week. mmoaore , Captain Samuels, ‘yeat for Newport, to be present at tne contests for the Douglas and Loriliard cups, to be santed over the old course—trom Breuton’s Reef lughtship. to Block Island and Vineyard Sound light- ship and return—on Monday, October 9, and fol- lowing days. Yacht Kesolute, N.Y.Y.C., Mr. A. S. Hatch, is in ‘Newport harbor. Yacht Kaier Wilhelm I., B, Mr. George A. at McGienan’s yard, Pamrapo, N. Je, thas morning, ‘The fall regatta of the Brooklyn Yacht’ Cla, on Monday next promises to be very exciting, The Majority of the yachts tn the ficet. will be on hand to compete for the prizes, and the arrangements for # pleasant reunion of the members and their families are of the moat ample nature, i AMUSEMENTS, WALLAck's THEATRE.—The managers of this house continue to present carefully selected come- dies of a high class, and the public are not slow in marking their appreciation of the good taste and en-+ terprise exhibited. On Wednesday night was pre- sented Morris Barnett's, comedy, ‘'The Serious Family,” with its comical sketohes of life in those ultra religions people who, not content with the risks to be run in the next world, resolve to make them- selves miseraple in this, The play 1s so well known, and has so Jong maintained its place in public favor on two continents, that it is almost superfluous to pronounee it good and exceedingly Interesting in a quiet way. The incidents alford no very wide scope for great éfforts or war acting; ‘but, on ‘the other hand, demand naturalness and pretty evenly balanced cazacity. The jolly, rollicking Irish captain fell to the part of Mr. John Brougnam, who looked as éasy and nate ‘ural as thongn he were in the mess’ room. In’ the first act; indeed, there was just a shade too much of vrusquerie, but afterwards Mr, Brougham toned down und amused the audience by his droll con- tests with Aminadab Sieck “and Lady Sowerby Creamly, Perhaps the most,amusing incideot of the cvening occurred durmg the scene between Captain Maguire and Mrs, forrens, the »pretty. Que- Keress, As the jolly Irishman was explaining to her that husbands “are likely f0 seek those enjoy- meats abroad watch are di to them at home” afew miserable married men felt their hearts touchea and mvoluntarily applauded; & Jew minutes later the unforsunates took heart and Br egaced qnite a respectable demonstration agamst tyranny of those wives—and ti seem to.be numerous—who drive their husbands to ‘seek enjoyment abroad. Mr. Ys Ammadab Sieck was marked by the thing sin cf this actor, who scems unable to ‘the delicate nuances which reallyandivid- ‘I rr, Ho seems to aim al. representing his men as the audience sees them or as the dénoue- ment Will'show them, rather than as the characters look upon themselves, His Aminadab Sleek scems thoroughly conscious that he is a hypocrite and that |, Others. know him.to. be so. Under the anfluence of this painful’ state of mind Mr. Stoddart’s acting’ 19° in» many» instances: decidealy broad and. wan ¢ in, the repose that would naturally even to ‘aypoorsy, Mr. Ring- gold'y Charies | Was wapung in a celicate sense of the ridiculous and was open to the suspi- clon of Guiness. In the scenes with Maguire and Mrs, Del e there was scarcely any revelation of sense of'reliet expressed in his carriage or man- ner, and we are entirely indebted to the dialogue for our knowledge of changed condition. old 18. decidedly & heavy character. Mrs. Clara Runge: made a very good dashing widow, and iiss oben ‘Tracy actea ‘tre. Charles Torrens1n s 7v piece. ran vei ote evidenuy nighiy NEW PUBLICATIONS RECEIVED. From Of Scribner & Co.—“Short Studtes on Great ”? second series, by Jonn A Froude, ‘Mia. ‘@hooting, Boating end Fishing for Young * hy. Robingon Warren. From J. B. Ford & Oo.—‘“The Life of Jesus, the Christ,” by Henry Ward Beecher. From J. B, Lippincott & Uo., Philadelphia—“Ties tér Kirton,” by Katherme S. Macquoid. “seed ‘Time and Harvest; or, During My Apovrentaceship.” Translated from the “Ut Mine Stromtid” of Fritz the audience Reuter. From A. 8. Barnes & Co.—“Hymns of Prayer ana Praise.” From J. B. Burr & Hyde, Hartford—‘‘A Woman’s Pilgrimage w the Holy Land; or, Pleasant Days Abroad,” by Mrs, Stephen M, Griswold. From Maclean, Gibson & Co,—“The Transmission of Life,” by George H. Napheys, A. M., M. D. From 8. R, Wellé—‘The Carriage Painters’ Man- ual,’ by T. B. Gardner, “An Autobiography: Being Passages from a Life which is now Progressing in the City of Boston,’ D; RL. B. - “Ninety-four Years—Agnes Paschal,” by George W. Paschal. ‘This ts a very interesting family his- tory, in which is sketched with skill life and man- ners tn Georgia during the old colonial and slavery umes, ABUSES AT CASTLE GARDEN. tho Baggage Departmeat is Ran—A Little Game that Must Be Spoiled. Numerous complamits have been made of the manner in which emigrants are treated by some of the empioyésin the baggage department at Castle Garden. It appears that when an emigrant applies for his luggage, somewhere in the interior of the building, and asks permission to be assisied by the expressman whom he has employed to convey it to the wagon outside, he is informed by some unruly fellow within that ‘‘no expressman can come in here; but, if you like, we'll give you an expresas man.” The emigrant repties, however, thathe has al- Tends ODeege a8), Sad slink bei avie like t0 bo uttorded wom Tecitties ube man, who {8 doubtless on ttle Ey ete x, “No ‘you don't; thera’s your ye axe em or leave ‘em. ‘Sais is shameful, A GLARING OUTRAGE that should be quicély seen to by those in authority. Perhaps the poor emigrant 1s in weakly condiion— Perlauy ff {$4 Woman that cannot speak a single word of English. But there surely must be some Tegutation at Castie Garden which compels tne porters there to wheel out gratis tbe trunks of the emigrants, for every one of whom $2 are paid by the steamship companies, Taere may be some little “ring” down there orgenized for purposes other than just. A CASE IN POINT. A young man named L. M. Reenschance begged hard yesterday even, to be allower.to wheel out his own luggage, and not until he had made a biter complaint to some one im authority was the slightest assistauce given him. He was asked to employ some pet expressman im the concern at douvie rates, but declining to do. so on the ground of having already employea @ carmnan to convey his trunk to the Charleston steamer, ne was treated with insolence. ‘i'his sort of thing will not do, and the Superintendentshould at once make a search- ing inquiry into the abuses witch exist in the bag- wage departments. AN ELEPHANT O’Brien’s menagerie, Which was traveiling throug Toland and Windham counties last week, was a large elephant. On the evening of the day on whicn the menagerie exhibited in Danielsonville the ele- phant became enraged or irigitened trom some cause, it was thougnt, says the 7ransc/pt, on ac- count of the thunder storm waich was then passing over the Village, and paulcg up the tree to which he was faste; as though it were but a withe, he te tent and took a short the premises of Mr. where he amused himself in tippiny over ‘sheds, de- vouring corn fodder aud doing other similar damage, after which, despite all the efforts of his keeper, he proceeded to take a rapid promenade uw) Broad street to Main, where he followed 101 and carriage tor some distance, greatly alarmi two persons: who were in the began as he gait u them in what they feared might be a as ol in. the farm of Mr, George Dav a mile ends halt from the several oui of cold lead which village, his Keeper area into hia pile, 0 far scene him that he Rn ag gg ‘was vert Span wise eat as hoee tae Ke eucape,— Haryord (oonn Pow i : “ON THE RAMPAGE.”—With Lande Oe As lil ait oh SRA ce Sosa The Utah Troubles from the Liberal Standpoint. Mr. Godbe, the Leader of the Dis- senters, Interviewed. HE EXPLAINS BRIGHAM’S DIFFICULTIES, Defence of the Government and the Courts. Polygamy Will Be Worn Out in This Generation, W. 'S. Godbe, of Salt Lake City, known as one of the principal leaders of the opposition to Brigham Young’s theocracy, has been in the city a few days on business, and by accident was met by one of the HERALD reporters yesterday. As Mr. Godbe has come directly from Salt Lake City and 1s fully ad- ‘vised upon the condition of things there, and can can speak ex cathedra, the reporter succeeded in obtaining from him a very clear statement respect- ing both men and measures on botn sides of the Utah controversy. Mr, Goabe is a gentleman of middle stature, high intellectual forehead, pleasing address, quick in perception and fluent in conversa- ton, He isa druggist now in Salt Lake City, and hag,been in the mercantile business there for six- weh years. He seems a wiry, energetic man, under forty Years of age, and has a history replete with interest. He has nothing in his mien of the agitator and revolutionist. He seems more for peace than most of the men from Ytah; dus ts resolved on using lus own brains and ‘experience instead of those furnished by the priest- been immortalized by but he has ouuived nis usefulness, BRIGHAM MUST NOT BE ASS ASSTNATED. REPORTER—Is there any danger of ms tion? A. [hope not—I think hot. great calamity to every one. ‘Those who haa confi. dence in bim would be confirmed in their judgment and those opposed to him would be measurably de- RTER—Why? A, Because Brigham Young is the best fitted to fight out the issues of his owa Tetgn. It is to be hy that his life will be spared to fairly meet all the questions of fact that are In dispute connected with his life and teachings. If he lives bat a few years—ani he looks likely to do go—the intellectual! progress of the people there will force these issues before him. BRIGHAM ALWAYS YIELDS. Rerorrer—You do not think tiut there will be trouble by resistance to law? A.No. Brigham will yield; he always has yielded; he will, provably, always do so, ‘The only danger is some collision with persons who have held that community in terror. When such trouble arises it is dificult to measure its extent, ‘This isthe only fear. Sowing the wind and reaping the wiirlwind is as likely wo be Utah experience as it nas been every where cise. REPORTER—Do the Mormons believe that they can cone with the United States? A. ‘Tae rational por- tion of the people know very well to the contrary; but the leaders dllate upon the recoraed miracles of ancient times and encourage the faith that the walls of anv modern Jericho would as easily tall to the ground through the wiiling obedience of the people tothe commands of their instructors a8 16 ‘was in the days of ancient Israel. REvorRTER—It 8, then, simply fanaticism that holds the people together? A, Nothing more, REPORTER—What will become of Mormonism waen Brigham Young dies’ A. It will fall to pieces, REPORTER—Why does tt not crumble now? A. It 1s crumbling very swiftly; but all changes require time. When Brigham is gone it will fall with a crash, REPORTER—What power has he to hold it to- gether? A. He Js vindicative, and every man of 1n- fluence knows that to leave the Church 1s to lose all that Brigham can influence, directly or indirectly. REPoRTER—W hat is the true course to pursue to- wards him and the people’ A. Be kind but firm. When Conzress resolves to uct they should advance steadily, determinedly, and leave no room for mis- apprehension, exhibiting to tue people that there 18 no vengeance nor “persecution” In the movement; bi ay the resolve to maintain the supremacy of ie law. REvORTER—How is the lberal movement now? A. Very successful. ‘the people are exhibiting great mterest in all that promises them deliverance Irom the mental and spiritual bondage in which hood to the people of the Rocky Mountains, The following 1s the interview textually :— . THB couRTS. REPORTER—When did you, Mr. Godbe, leave Salt Lake City? A. Two weeks ago yesterday, REgPORTER—Was the Court in seseion before you lett? A, Yea; its session began on the 10th Sep- tember. RePorTER—Do you think that it is the purpose of the'Court, or of any of the United States oficials theré, to provoke a collision with the people of Utah? A. I think not. INTERVIEW WITH PRESIDENT GRANT. REPORTER—Brigham Young is reported by tele- gram from Salt Lake City yesterday to have said, “President Grant had authorized this crusade. It was simply the power of the Methodist Qhurch,. which, having signally failed m ita missionary enterprises to the Saints, now proposes to destroy them with Methodist governors, Judges and packed juries of the Methodist persua- sion.” What do you think of such astatement? A. It is simply not true. Ihad the honor of a lengthy Interview with President Grant soon after the liberal movement commenced, tn which I was much im- pressed with the rational view that he took of the situation of affairs in Utah. It was cenerally feared that thoge who had protested against the govern- ment of the priesthood in their temporal affairs, and who had openly avowed their determination of they have groaned for many years, ir. Godbe seemed greatly impressed with the wealth of tie mincs in Utab, and believes that after the present troubles are settled Utah will ask ad- Inission into the Union as & State; that the develop- ment of mineral wealth there was astoulsmog both in regard to its richness and Its permanence. Sil- ver and gold, he thinks, wul solve al! the Utah difl- cuities, and that before long she will be an nonored State in the Union. NEW YORK CITY. ‘The following record will snow the changes in tne temperature for the past twenty-four hours in com- Parison with the corresponding day of last year, as indicated by the thermometer at Hudnut’s Phar- macy, HERALD Building, corner ol Ann strect:— 1870, 1871, 1870, ioe 3 6: 1 60 Ty 73 63 6734 TL ite + 70 cy a) Average temperature yesterday..... 61% “date Vinnie Ream was busily engaged yesterday in chiselling Peter Cooper’s beard at the American Institute Fair, She nas already done considerable cutting on the face of the venerable philantnropist, her work being greatly admired by the visitors, Tne Elevated Railroad, from the Battery to its northern terminus, was sold yesterday by James M. severing their relationship from the Church, would be subjected to violence, and thatalarge increase of the army in salt Lake City would be neces- sary to held the orthodox Mormons in awe. Speak ing for the liberal party, I assured the President that we preferred to quietly discuss our own dim- culties without any appearance of force to back us; that, unless there should be an attempt at violence or to apprehend danger, the actual num- ber of froops under the control of the Governor should lot be otherwise increased. President Grant fully atquiesced in that conclasion, and evinced every but @ disposition to make s crusade jormonism or Brigham Youzg. He was not out anxiety for the future of Utah, but he belie’ that the usual course of the courts would in duetime mect all the requirements im settling ‘withowes bloodshed tne Mormon question of obe dience tolaw. METHODISM NOT 1N IT, That Methodism has anything to do with the courge ofthe courts in Utah—that the irouble now therd is the crusade of President Grant’—is a very stapag asser:ion, and one that @ fanatic was along capable of maxing. Brigham Young has been 80 long accustomed to say what he pleases and to pass unchigilenged that he does not yet duty realize that there4sa change in Utah and that his day of reign is over. ‘The question before ine courts of Utah now is not the merits ot Metnodism nor those of “one ism; it is simply & question of submis- sion to laWs THE HIGHER LAW TO BE TESTED. Ruro, ‘Will there be any extra-judicial action towards Brigham Young for the purpose of annoy- ing him? (A. 1 understand the action of the judici- ary to be solely for the purpose of reaching a com- mon understanding upon marital relations: whether any people pruiessing @ religious faith can claim immunity from the 's Of their Territory, their State or the United States, on the plea of bein, governed by a revelation special to them. This Understand To be the whole question now in Utah. NO PACKED JURY, REPORTER—Brigham Young says that the jurors are all hostile to hin and are selected ou that accouat ? A, That is mpart true, bat not as he putsit. The pérsons who have been summoned as jurors have been in) ted with regard \o their Views upon the revelation on polygamy as a divine revelation and a divine’commandinent, as persons were to ve tried tor the infraction of the anti-polygamic law of 1362, «Citizens «=who — regarde the _revela- tious of the priesthood a higher than that of Congress, @nd who would ovey the former rather than the latter, were necessarily rejected “ior cause.” ‘Tu that extent, unquestionudiy, the jurors are hostile to Brigham Young. 4 know one gentleman, at least, upon tie jury, Wo we sooner die than yield wis personal convictigns ba religion to those of any arbitrary diciation, but who pruperly recoguizes that the law of the land mist be obeyed. He is no Methodist, law nor is he ally hostile to Grigham Young, and Trom my acq' tance with other jurors I have no aount they are as free {rom prejudice as men can be, em to me tobe governed solely by the law aiter. * PRDERAL OFFICERS SOUND. REPORTER—! the federai oificers Methodists, to adord Brigtam groundwork for his assertion that 16 18 ‘ay attack of the Methodists? A. Gov- ernor Wood it a Methodist—he so informed me. Chies Jussice Sean 18 80, Lbelieve, and ior judi- cial influence it’has the same effect as if he were a “HeathemCninee.” The other federal officers are not tO me KNOWD as embers oO any church. The genilemen = acti a8 prosecuting attorney and assisianl We Ob probably regard it as persecu- tion if they’ Jeft out of the catalogue of saints altogether, are simply iawyers, with an im- portint case In their hands, REPORTER—¥ou cio not, then, regar’ the jury as packed orthe als Of the Court as inquisitors ? A. No. There bag been a great deal of defiant talk im the Tabernacie, and the Ume bas seemingly ar- rived to testat. ‘Thatis how the indepeudent Mor- mons anda Gentiles in Salt Lake City regard the present action of the Courts, NO TROUBLE 10 URIGHAM ANTICIPATED, Rerorrer—What do you expect trom the present action of the Courts gherging Briguam Young with lasciviousness, pumabment by Territorial stavute? A. Not much that will senously affect Lim by way of penalty or punisiment, but the great point ob- tained will be his recognition of federal authority, He has repeatedly said thai he woul: not appear in court upon any writ; now the federal authority will compel him. He says that he will not now resist the action of the law, and, that point gained, there is hope that the whole of the Utan troubies will be brought to @ satisfactory solution. NO RELIANCE UPON REVELATION. REPORTER Would the people of Utah fignt if told todo so’ A. Theres no reliance to be piaced upon the action of le who believe in special revela ton, which 18 not subordinate to human judgment. A few years ago an enthusiast in Utah, Joseph Morrig, who claimed to haye revelation, gathered around him several hundred persons, and when the Sheriff, witha military posse, summoned nim to iswer tog writ he disregarded it, and up tothe moment of his death he believed that the Lord would ‘ve him and the people. ‘ie Mormon militia’ took all his people prisoners, and broke up the setélement, and then coy did the “Morrisites’’ believe in their vulnerability. Lrigham Young parte Joana ty ney: tow ge png picesen for the people to be- evel but when it comés to the point vf Pesistance or fight, Brigham bes always yielded, and provauly always wil, . POLYGAMY WILL DIB OUT. RTBR—DoO you think that polygamy will be continued in the Mormon Church? No. It wiil Probably die out with the present race of elderly mM ‘Why do you thing so? A. Because it present amg a ke pie Utah aro fant UToompa ‘ait in $he. revelation uoon wal It is Miller, auctioneer, for the sum of $750,009, to James ‘A. Cowling, the trusice for all the bondholders. ‘the road was sold by order of the referee to pay off the mortgage. Ht ny ‘The Lytic Club held its first general meeting of the year on Wedmesuay evening last, avd after the transaction of considerable unimportant business, elected the following oficera:—President, Charles H, Smita; Vice President, Geo Fielding: Treas- urer, J. P. Savage; Secretary, W. R, Morse. Mr. James Gaines, fifty-nine years of age, anda native of Scotland, died at his resiaence, No, 6 Laight street, from injuries recelved a few days ago by veing crushed by a bank of earth caving in upon him at Fiusning, L. 1., where he was at work. An inquest will ve held on the body by Coroner Herrman. Margaret Davis, an irish woman, forty years of age, on Wednesday afternoon, while under the in- fluence of liquor, fell down a Might of stairs at her residence, 402 East Sixteenth street, and reccived injuries from the effects of which she subsequently died. who was notified. The body of an unknown man, aged about forty years, five feet eignt inches in height, having black hair and mustache and goatee. and wearing black sack coat, pants and vest, white muslin shirt, bine socks and boots, was found in the water near tho Staten Isiand ferry house last night and was taker to the Morgue, Coroner Herrman was yesterday called to 151 Mor- ris street to hold an inquest over the remains of Mar- garet J. Smart, a girl fifteen years old, who «died the night previous. On the 25th uit. deceased in kinaling a fire wok & can containing kerosene oti, & portion of which she poured on the wood to make it bura quickly, when tne oli ignited, explo*ing the can and setting her clothes on fire. Margaret was terribly burned avout her lower extremities, arma and other portions of ber body. The jury rendered a verdict of death from burns accidentaliy received, An inquest will be heid by Coroner Herrman, Wilfride W. Venedas, of 866 Broadway, appeared before Justice Fowler, at Jefferson Market, yester- day morning, and charged George Banks, a printer, residing in Seventy-fifth street, witn stealing nis watch and chain, valued at $112, The complainant states that while passing through Union square, at tweive o'clock on Tuesday might, In company with a lady, the prisoner came up to him and snatched the Waich from his vest pocket, and upon being pur- sued threw it on the ground, where it was picked up by hia femaie companion. The prisoner was ar- rested by Oiticer Piteuiro, of the Twenty-fifth pre. cinet, and upon being arraigned at the above Court yesterday morning denied the charge, but was heid Tor trial at the General Sessions, CEUSAT INDEPENDENCE. Mass Meeting to be Held at the Cocper In- stitute to Celebrate the Third Anniversary of the Proclamation of the Cuban Kepublic. To-morrow evening @ grand mass meeting will be held at the Cooper Institute to celebrate the third anaiversary of the proclamation of tne Cuban Re- Public, and arrangements have been made for the purpose of making the demonstration very effective, From a conversation wiih some prominent Cubans 1m this cliy yesterday a representative of the Her- ALD was informed that the cause of liberty was stiil dear to the hearts of the patriots, and that they would never lay down their arms until pheir object was accomplished. They velieve that the battle for tn. dependence Will result m @ glorious victory tor those now struggling for ireedom, bat complain of the republican press for their hostility to the cause. Senor Francisco V. Agullera, Vice President of the Cuban Republic, will preside at the mass meeting, and among the speakers invited are Kev. Heury Ward Beecher, Fernando Wood, Rev. Mr. epworth, Richard O'Gorman, Thomas Dugan, General McMahon, C. A. Dana, Ethan Allen, Cassius M. Clay, Douglas Tayior and Ramon Cespedes, Gene- ral Jordan ts also expected to be present. A pampliet receauy pablisnea in this city, entitled “The Book of Blood,” gives @ list of the political prisoners executed since the commencement oi the War 10 Cuba, leaving out of considerftion the killed on the battle field. The number is put down at 1,825 persons. It also gives an exhibit of 2,85) pits- oners captured by Spaniards and whose fate has never veen made kuown. A third list comprises those concemned to death in garrote by a inilitary commission sitting In Havana, but not executed, on account of being ott of the reach of the Spanish authorities. Then follow lists of those condemued to hard labor in the chain gangs of the penal colo- nies of Africa or of Cuba, and of those sent to Fer- nando Po on the 21st May, 1890. There 19 also a cat- alogue of those exiled irom their homes by the Span- ish authorities, The meeting on Saturday evening will, it 18 expected, be largely attended. Rehearsals of a new hymn Cd composed for the occasion were begun last evening at Agramonte Musical | OF THE VATICAN, The Latest Encyclical of Pope Pius the Ninth, He Again Conjures the Faithful to Per:cvare iB Faith—He “Will Live to See Roms Re stored to the Papal See”—Papal Prophecies—Rome the Anchor of the Church Militant, To THE ARCHBISHOPS, BISHOPS, PRIMATES ANT ALL HEADS OF RELIGIOUS SODALITIES IN U! VENERABLE BRReTHREN—With @ deep feeling paternal love, I again take occasion to address selfto you. When I last commuuicated with from this our Holy See I took occasion to your confidence in the words of Jesus toour cessors, the Apostles of our holy Caurch, to He said:—“I am with you all days, even to the summation of the World;” and again, “The hell shall nov prevail against you.’ It is ne for me again, vencrabie brethren, to reassure: of how much stronger and just is He in whom have placed and shall continue to place our P With our enemies it appears to be a fixed pelier a the recovery of , OUR MOST LAWFULLY ESTABLISHED AUTHORIF® ‘will never come to pass; but on many other sions, even during our own Pontificate, have heretics and apostates exulted over their tions, which always meant only a temporary of the enjoyment of our essential rights. Ic is not,, venerable brothers, that I have any presumptuous faith in the acquisition of formidable armies or in) the insurrection of A UNIVERSAL CRUSADE in my favor which gives me assurance in you that Rome will yet be free from the bonds of usurper; but I am guided by the nature of God's providence in so ay i Catholic and Apostolic Church, and that we mer those essential marks. some poy jod who rules that Charch and pro’ certain ordinances from which His protection never veen permanentiy withdrawn will soon atore to us Rome, the ruddsr, THE STANDARD BEARS OF THE CHURCH MILITANTS, In that fact, venerable brethren, have unswerving confidence, for the inheritance of a God-pegotver| Church cannot be plundered by despots and tyrants. Aguin, the enemles of our power falsely state thas. m the principality of Rome neither human freedong nor modern progress possessed any friends, "| vain assertion, meant to Gupe the uninitiated, meet with contempt from the intelligent world. 1m fhe acon of all the elements of modern progres@i iy ve ROME SHOWED THE FIRST EXAMPLE. No province in the Peninsula was better with the movements of foreign nations or qualified to judge the general aspect of throaghout the world. Our statesmen have more learned, our theologians more profouns oets More sublime, our artists more cuitival Ingenious: all the representatives of ev ment of the soctal system in Rome were far mi eligible and great in their respective callings any to be found eisewhere in Itaiy. Under our rule the people of Rome were taxed less, and religion, THE TEMPORAL DOMINION OF CATHOLICITY, - I beg of you merely to combine your fervent i to the God of Hosts, begging of Him to di vemporary cloud of sadness which overshado’ Church at Rome. Pray of Him to quickly all that is capable of rendering Catholicism ps pletely free; all that will rescue us from tne trary power of TYRANTS AND APOSTATES, who style themscives heroes and patriota. 9 Granung you, venerable brethren, the apostole benediction, and through you to the faithful of your dioceses, | pray you to persevere in faith and in the, Jove of God. this, 18th day of September, Given at St, Peter's, in the year ot our Lord 18) THE COAMB3ER OF COMMERCE. Cable Commucication Around the Worlde« Conklin vs. Field—Postal Subsidies. The Chamber of Commerce held its monthly meste, ing yesterday afternoon at No. 63 William streety ex-Mayor George Opdyke in the chair. The attend< ance of members was very small, but the repre-. sentatives of the press were present in fall forge, A communication was read from Willtam Webb, urging the Chamber to take some action Postal subsidy between the United Statcy and New “zealand. Mr. Web» claimed the propriety of have ing a substay given tor this postal service. In A\ traha, he suid, tuere are more than two Inhabitants, Tbe trade with Australia ts large, and steamship communication with the Unit States 18 a necessity of tue age. American 18 at present carrying the mais from San Francisco’ to New Zealand, receiving @ subsidy Of £40,000 the New Zesiand government, but as this subsidy not sufficient this American company, ran by ‘ebb, Rave to; / Bon, Holliday and William H. to their own government for help. j the great basis of civilization, was free. ' F But | will not dwell at length upon the political or social prerogatives of we i, j 4 ‘ The communication was referred to the Committe on Foreign Commerce. ; A communicauon from General John oe United States Engineer in charge of the several fain structions at Heil Gate, inviting the Chamber to * cept of his hospitalttics and spaenine the % was read; but the Pilot Com#isstoners were ‘ powered to act in the premises, es Communications irom various parties In favor of postal subsidies were received and referred to i | appropriate committee, " At this stage of tho proceedings the que: ; the hour was sprung upon the Chamber pamuel B. Raggies, who desired the Chamber. upon the question of submarine cables in the Ocean, with a view of completing the belt tbat ts to compass the world, Cotonel Conkiia was the first man to take up the against the reference to the Committee on Affairs. When he had conciuded Cyrus W. arose and detailed at length the ad’ cabies, There was for afew minutes a §) between Conklin and Field, but the former drew his opposition and the subject was rele! the commuitee. The Chamber then . SUITS UNDER THE REVENUE LAWS. WASHINGTON, Oct. 5, 187. ‘The following has just been issued: DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, WASHINGTON, D. C., Oct. 5, 1ST1. ‘The Secretary ot tue Treasury has referred to Deparunent a letier trom the Commissioner of ternal Kevenue, dated September 27, :871, wi it 1g stated that there are now pending {Io the ral Circuit and District, Courts ol the Onited States more than one thousand suits, instituted under the Internal revenue laws, many of whicn have the hands of atturneys for years. The Cor furtner says:— Tam safistied that the officers of the United are in too many instances lax in the admiaistr duties, the resuit of which ts that immunity against the internal reveaue |i is too general tends to creace disrespect for the laws, and, there t# great diffienity in ent them, I am many thousands of doll from unnecessary aetays that, Bav@_coeutte the government having «isa bonds having become Insolveat during tbe time trict Attorneys have permitted to elapse between the report to them for suit and their action in the ‘The attention of district attorneys, marshals and clerks of United States Courts 1s inviled to thls ject, and they are hereby earnestly requemed enjoined to devule themselves energetically to removal of this cause of complaint, — It ts that the largest possible number of pending or ‘ both old and new, be brought to final jodgment the ensuing terms of the United States Circuit District Courts. depends in @ large measure upon the and energy with which district attorneys their cases for trial. Delays im this invertably operate to ihe detriment ot States, and it not unfrequently haj gle continuance works government. ‘This department relies upon district attorneys for the efficient preparation and prosecut cases tO which the vernment ig aad holds them primarily responsible for to bring the cases to a speedy trial If lect their duties, district attorneys remedy before the courts, if marshals cute promptly Processes im their hands proper return tuereof, district attorneys are nected and required to report such : department. Nor does the daty of a ney end with the trial of @ case in which ernment obtains judgment. He is expected that final process is issued when due, received and executed by the turn made by that officer. pare wil upon your earnest co-operation in the ir Anstitute, ALLEGED LARCENY, Frederica Ustwein was arraigned before Alder- man Cudcy, at Essex Market Court, yesterday, on a complaint preferred by Christina Staber, of 206 Ei- dridge street. Christina alleges that she nad $50 wrapped up in a towel 1n a satchel, and the satchel rok was hid between the mattresses of her bed, stand- ing in the room back of her Jager beersaioon, Fre- derica was stopping with her a few days, and she was ‘was the only one who knew where the money besules herself, After Frederica had gone the Money was missed, Frederica was held to answer An default of $600 bale = “4 f this department to b aie i am, very respectfully, B. HL. B ; Solicitor General and Acting Attorney General fame we we dd CRUSHED BY A STEAM CAR, Yesterday morning Coroner Herrman held an in. quest at his office in the City Hall on the body of Mary dohnson, a girl eleven years of age, who was over at 110th street and Fourth aveaue, on ult, by steam engine No. 1, attached New Haven ‘Tue eMMicient administration of law a4 clerks, a eee t