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NEW YORK HERALD, FRIDAY, APRIL 10, 1868—TRIPLE SHEET. 3 the evidence | could say was more in his favor than against him? | stance’ of this first article is that the order for the re- | nately, however, we have not only those means of | was not within this law—if he held di the say interpreting this law which I have alluded to— | ure of President Johnson, as he had held during the ca sift j fat has been given for the - prosecution | 4.1 4.0 ME, wee opel that when you were | violation of the constitution of the United states, | namely, the language of the act nal the neta ob. President Limoal if Deane IMPBRACHMENT, and upon the Denorebieo Managers aya dt Se mained since your arrival ia this These are io allegations which it ie ‘necessary | ject and purpose of the act—but we ‘have. decialve ly that onder to ult the” plac, iagtend of Sal rely an and which being for a verdict guilty of high crimes was to make you say for the Managers to make out in | evidence of what was intended and understood by | sustaiied in resisting it, I think that. the honorebie misdemeaners against Mr. Johnson, and have you would not say? ryt Dot, sir; I might, order to support that article. Now, there | the law in each branch of Congress at the me twas Managers will find it extremely dificult to construct explanation of that there was aj ie a question involved here which enters ns In order to make this more apparent and | out of the broken ts of article any- drawn thetr own conclusions. misunderstanding 804 8 gen. deeply, aa I have already intimated, into | its just weight more evident, allow me to state what | thing that will amount to a high misdemeanor. Trial of President Andrew Johnson for | 11 perhaps sate to say that every person in this | tleman in Boston in regard to an expression the frst eight articles of this series, and materially | is ‘very familiar, undoubtedly, to Senators, but | Wiiat arethey?. thug ave, ie the test pia an city who is at all familiar with the merits of the | ‘ey supposed I could testify what I could not. two others, and to that question I in the first | which’ I wish to recall to their minds—the | President ‘did violate and Intend to violate ‘the con- nf Have you been before this time? A. | instance to invite the attention of the court. That | history of this proviso. The bill, as Senators will | stitut‘on of the United States, By giving this order, High Crimes and Misdemeanors. case, and who knows anything of the requirements | By whom? . question ts whether Mr. Stanton’s case comes under | recoll originally excluded those officers alto- | or how? They say, as I understand It, tifat the ordes of law in an attempt to prove the charges in a prose- anyone? A. I have, sir. Tenure of Office act. If it does not, if the true | gether; it made no attempt—indeed, it rejected all | of removal was made during the session of the Sen- cution, has read the testimony taken before the Inder oatht A. Yes, sir. construction and effect of the Tenure of OMice act, | attempts to prescribe the tenure of office for them. | ate, and that for that reason the order was @ Who by first? A. By the Managers. when applied to the facts in this case, include it, | So the bill went to the House of Representatives. It | violation of the constitution of the United States. High Court of Impeachment, and has carefully Was your woaiisno taken down? A, Yes, sir, | then it will be found by the honorable Senators, | was there amended by putting the Secretaries on the | Now, tf I can make my own ideas of it plain, I think Close of the Testimony for the weighed it to ascertain the precise nature of the Were you ex: ned oF talked Vales any one of | when they come to examine this and the other arti- | same footing as other civil oMfcers appointed with Range 6 aati left of that article. In the first place, faets, which the irrepressible body of im) them? A. Not under oath; I had informal inter- | cles, that a deep, indefaceable and material wound | the advice and consent of the Senate; and, thus | as Senators will observe, this is the case of a Pro; " ti p y peachers } views with two of them before I was 3 1] has been attempted to be inflicted on the constitu- | amended, it came back to this body. This body dis- | tary of War holding by the terms of his commission secution. have led the country to believe were strong enough | could hardly call it an examination. tion, I must ask your attention, therefore, to the tothe amendment, Thereupon a committee leasure of the President,” and holding the to strike instantaneous conviction in the mind of any Q. What two of them were they? A. By Governor juestion of the consideration and application of the | of conference was appointed. That committee on | under t ack of 1789, which created that department, . Bout) Butler. rst section of the Tenure of Office act. It is, as Sen- | the of the House had for its chairman the Hon. | and which, although it di 4 man having at heart the good of his country. Among When?” A’ Monday of this week, ators know, but dry work, but It requires close and | Mr. Schenck, of Ohio, and on the part of this body | the President the power ‘ol removine wie Se race Argument of Mr. Curtis for the | #!! classes of people, of every shade of political Did you say to Mr. pel that since you had | careful attention, and no doubt will receive it. | it had the fon. Mr. Williams and the Hon. Mr, oes clearly imply that he has that power, by making ? belief, eccept ultra republicans, there seems pers in this city a proposition Tae mate a gaat red ‘Allow me, in the first place, to read it:— al i sane pememtne of ipeen ame ose ‘ ecto iy Mere shall hap en in case he exer- case you would give certain testimony it wo! ‘That any holdi hich he h . he case which 18 under c: Defence. to exist a general opinion that the Impeach. | {) case You would give caren ote poem appointed by and wi the tan amen onuct or tne | Secretaries out-of the body of the bill and inserting | tion. "The question is: thin nhetaee Contes. ment Managers have certainly not brought he diss seausinuaan by Mr. BUTLER:— Senate, and every person who shall hereafter be appointed | them in the proviso containing the matter now un- | law of 1789, and the tenure of office created reac! . W! , 1?—(emphasizing the name go | 2. any such olice, and shall become duly qualified to act | der the consideration of that course. When this | by that law—created after — gr forth all the testimony ‘within’ thelr Df LO Who Mr Rerperrt ler therein, is and shall be entitled to hold such office until ® | report was made to the House of Representatives it | the President. could have remevet’ , as to provoke laughter in the galleries.) A. Mr. hall but = are : holding hpi an strongest ine Koppel, air | is an acquaintance o! mine on the ave- Qualified, Seeit ators chao ne ah _yiamalaaied Nes iaoumbens on the comm|ttee arnonave Dy taat, Seorotary, Suring ite, session of the Senate, most effective witnesses for a decisive blow, to je- A explain what was done, or: ot y not ertainly there is nothing i “ oy whee ia ie Then comes what Is otherwise provided: so that the House itself might understand and act | stitution of the United States te esniit ne ons livered as a sort of coup de grace in the grand tab- | , Q. What is his merchandise? A. Heisamanufac- | oy int the Secretaries of State, of the Treasury, of | 4 , ts—a fe 4 Sy a intelligent; , read t th has made t' istinet v lean, ‘The prevailing feeling among men opposed to | O55 Ser" Ynow of any eympacny between him | Wer, ef ioe Navy abd ai the dolerite Pow Mancr Geae | the Senate Ine explanation ag given by the Hon, Me, | Hiling offices. ‘One is by a nominavion ee ite Sonate impeachment partakes of surprise at the extreme | and the ‘President? A. I have always supposed, | «ively for and during the term of the Prealdent by whom they | Schenck, the chairman of the committee on the part | a confirmation by that body and commission by the rosecu- | sir, that Mr. Koppel was a Southern man in spirit; | may have veen appointed, and one month thereafter, subject | Of the House, when he made the conference report to | President on that confirmation; the other is the sicep agus gece cata paareseagh pin om | fro soktn Carolina—ran the blockades. to removal by and with the advice and consent of the | the House. ‘After reading the report Mr. Schenck | commission of an officer When a vacancy happens tion to prove the President guilty, and great reliet | “Oo ‘You mean that to be an answer to my ques- | Senate. iz said:— J oa ‘ during a recess of the Senate. But the question now from the same cause, as none but the President him- | tion of sympathy between the President and him? | | Here is @ scction a part of which applies to all | propose to demand the previous question on agreeing to before you 1s not a question how many vacancies self and his most intimate friends and counsellors } (Laughter.) A. Yes, sir. (Laughter.) civil officers, as well to those then in office ab to | the report of the committee of conference; but before doing | Shall be filled for that the constitution has provided could know that it was impossible for Mr. Johnson’s Q. Now, sir, the "counsel for the President has | those who should thereafter be appointed; and the | so 1 will explain to the House the condition of the bill and the for, but a question how vacancies may be created, enemies to prove anything against him that would | asked you if you told Mr. Koppel that you had been | body of this section contains @ declaration that | decision of the committee of conference upon it. It will be | whjch 1s a totally different question. Whatever show intention on his part to violate either the con- | asked ‘to say things which you could not say, or | “eVery such officer is” (that Is, if he 1s now in office,) | Fecollested that the bill aa It passed the Senate was to provide | may be thought of the soundness of the conclusion stitution or the laws of the United States: and i: was | words to that effect; you answered in explanation, | ‘and shall be’? (that is, if he ‘shall be hereafter ap- | {iat "¢ ovals trom oflice arate, Mould, be required | srrived at after the great debate in 1780 concerning constantly feared that some indisputuble proof of | as I understand, that there was a misunderstanding, | Pointed to ofice) “entitied to hold such office until | heads of departments. The ‘Howse amenied “the bin | the tenure of office or concerning the powor of the such intentions must be in the hands of the Managers | which you explained to Mr. Koppel. Will you have another is Supolntes. and qualified in his place.’ of the Senate so as to extend this requirement | removal from office, no one, I suppose, will question to embolden them to risk a trial. the goodness to tell us What that misunderstanding | That is the body of the section; but out of that body | to the heads of departments as well as to other officers. The | the fact that @ conclusion was arrived at, and WasuinoTon, April 9, 1868. ‘The impeachment trial suffered nothing in the way f attendance by its brief postponement since last Saturday. The usual crowd filled the galleries, and More than the usual representation from the House ‘Was conspicuous on the floor. Of course, the great attraction was the change in the performance from he side of the prosecution to that of the defence. ‘The speech of Judge Curtis to-day—or rather the Mirst pari of it, for he has scarcely warmed up yet— Produced a marked effect, It furnished the ablest answer to the impeachers yet presented, was ligtened to with profound attention and was spoken of highly by everybody. Some of the points . Pe conference has that the Senate i ac- made by Judge Curtis are regarded as un-| Those who hold to the radical view of the situa- | was? of the section it is explicitly declared that there is | committee of con! . mal that that conclusion was that the constitution answerable, and even fatal to” the whole | tion, 80 far as your correspondent has been able to | “Mr, SranpERy rose to object. to be excepted a particular class of officers us to | gent ihe amendment of, the House; Dut inasmuch as this | of the United States had lodged with the President a 1 or fi vi re ation 4 tek ersation | Whom something Is otherwise provided—that is, a this power of removal independently of the _ See aamcimt'ts eatahe tap coe tay an [ 1 Moe REA Aikerent rule's" to'be mite for" them Now, the | seubinete,ctthg endo ia tery deh rug goia | tls Power of removal independent of, the Senate not seem to attach much importance to the testimo- | Q. I will ask, in the first place, did you explain the | Senate will perceive that in the body of the section | further amendment |s added to this portion of the bil so | It may have been now reversed, “On that I say notl ny elicited in support of the articles which charge | matter to him? A.°I did, sir. every officer, as well those then holding office as | thatthe term of office of heads of departments shall expire | jn, a present. But that {t was made, that the legit the President with conspiring with General Emory | Q. Very wells tell us what that understanding was | those hereafter to be appointed, is included, The | with the term of the Fresident who appointed them, silowing | Jation of Congress in 1789 and on’ down to 1:6 and others to precipitate an armed contilct and with | that youexplained to him in that conversation? A, | language Is, f“Every person holding any | civil | case of death or otherwise, other appointments can be made, | PFoceeded on the assumption, expressed or implied, degrading the dignity of his ligh oitice by deliver- | I think, sir, 2 gentleman in Boston wrote you that | Office to which he has been appointed | ‘That is the whole effect of the proposition reported by the Bat that decision had been made, nobody who un- ing coarse stump speeches and assailing the charac- | the President asked me if 1 would give twenty-five | by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, | committee of conference. It fs, 4 Fact, ‘an acceptance by | derstands the history of the country will deny. ter of Congress as they do to that going to prove the | per cent of the proceeds of any office for political | and every person who shall be hereafter appointed, | the Senate of the position of the House. Consider, if you please, what the decision was— removal of Mr, Stanton under the Tenure of Oftice | purposes. I told you that I did not say so; the gen- | 18 and shall be entitled to hold,” &c. It attects the | Then these questions were put to Mr. Schenck, | that the ‘constitution had lodged this power in the act and the appointment of General Thomas as Sec- | tleman from Boston misunderstood me; the Presi. | Presents it sweeps over all who arg in office; it in- | and he went on to say:— President, that he was to exercise it, that the Senate ROGIy OF AY OBER GHUNG: @) Pension Of Cts, dent said nothing of the kind to me, and {explained | Cludes them all by its terms, as well a8 tho8e WIHO | qos terme of oftice (that is to say, the terms of office of | had not and could not have any control whateve he i Oo Mr. Koppel. prosecution. His exposition of the objects of the framers of the Tenure of Ofice bill, and of the mean- ing given to it before its passage by members of the conference committee, particularly in the speeches of Messrs. Sherman and Schenck, of Ohio, were looked upon as establishing fully the fact that Mr. Stanton’s case doesyMot come unter the Tenure of Office act at all. If, as Judge Curtis says, Congress ‘was represented rightly by Schenck and Sherman when they declared it was only intended that Cabi- Net officers should be continued in power “ during the term of service of the President by whom they Were appointed,” how can the High Court entertain for a moment the idea that the President has violated may hereafter be appointed; but when you come to | the Secretaries,) are limited by law, 80 that they expire with | OVer it. If that be so what, materially, 1s it On these two points the impeachers chiefy rely. Q. Did you explain where the misunderstanding | the proviso the first noticeable thing is that that | the term of nervice of the President who appointed em, and | Whether the Senate is in session or not.’ If the They think that, having proved these charges, no re- | arose? A. I told him it must have occurred ina | language is not used. It is not that every Secretary | one month after, in case of death or other accident, until | Senate is not in session and the president publican Senator can do otherwise than pronounce | conversation between @ gentieman from Boston and | of State, or of the Treasury, or of War, &¢., 18 to hold | others can be substituted for them. has this power a vacancy 1s created, and the consti- ‘he President guilty of having violated the Tenure of | myself. his office. It fixes a rule for the future only, and the Allow me to repeat that sentence:—“They expire | tution has made provision for filling that vacancy by Ofice law, which was passed by their own votes, and Q. In regard to what? A. In regard to twenty-five | duestion whether any particular Secretary comes | with the term of service of the President who a) commissioning until the end of the next session of within that rule is w question whether he comes | pointed them, and one month after, in case of death | the Senate. the Senate is in session the constitu- by whteh, they sbsequantly declared that the Erol per cent, ithie th Neral descent Meained in th 4 Se ee eee ode tien tit Re ot'| tion ise rad sion for’ filling the vac th the 1: an . | dent had no power to remove the head of any de- . Did xplain to Mr. Koppel where the idea | Within the gen description contained in the pro- | or accident.” Now in this ly, when the re ol nm has le provision fo) cancy thus lua ae ip conerouone sudge: Cosa Walon partment; and gullty of having made an ay ame toi theta ware to dan twenty-five per | Viso. There is nothing to bring him within the pro- | the committee of conference was’ made, Mr. Williams | created by nomination, and the laws of the country lude his argument to-morrow, and probably occupy | ment, without the advice and consent of the Senate, | ¢ viso. There is no express declaration, as in this | made an explanation of it. That explanation was | made provision for filling tt ad nterim; so that it a cent? A. I did, sir. PI xp! the whole day. while Congress was in session, in direct violation of Mr. Evarrs—We object. The witness has dis- | body of the section, that he is and hereafter shall be | in substance the same as that made by Mr. Schenck | this be a case within the scope of the decision made in the House. Thereupon a considerable debatesprung | by Congress in 1789, and within the scope of the legis- up. No debate had sprang up in the House, for the | lation which followed on that decision, it is a case explanation of Mr. henck was accepted by the | when either by force of the constitution the President House as correct, and was unquestionably accepted | had the power of removal without consulting the by the House as giving the true sense, meaning and | Senate or the legislation of Congress had effect of the bill. In this body, however, a consider- ven it to him; and in either wuy neither able debate sprang up. It would take too much of ¢ constitution nor the legislation of Congress your time and too much of my strength to undertake | had made it incumbent on him to consult the Senate to read this debate; but I think the whole of it may | on the subject. I submit, therefore, that if you look be ay, summed up in this statement:—That it was | at this case as it has been presented, on the decision the provisions of the constitution. tmetly told us that nothin; Ise occurred be- | entiled to hold his office, &c.; nothing to bring Tilese charges, to be sure, are serious enough to | tween the President and hineele It is certainly him within the body of the proviso, except furnish an excellent pretext for creating a vacancy | quite unimportant what occurred between this | the description; and the question is whether in the Presidential oflice if they can only be proved; | gentleman and another gentleman in Boston, the proviso contains, applies to and includes this but it {s thought that when the testimony for the de- Mr. ‘BUTLER—I pray judgment again upon this, | c#se. Now let us see if itdoes. “The Secretary of fence is heard and the President’s counsel has closed | You have put in a conversation about a tallor upon | State, the Secretary of the Treasury, &c., shall hold the illustrious impeachers will find that they have | Pennsylvania avenue or somewhere else and this | their ofices respectively for and during the term of the discovered a huge “mare’s nest.’ Itis understood | witness. I want the whole of the conversation, I | President by whom they may have been appointed that the array of testimony the counsel will bring to | suppose from the evidence of the gentleman that the | 8d one month thereafter,” &c. The first: inquiry overthrow tlese particular charges af the im- | conversation between Mr. Koppel, the tailor, and | Which arises on this language 1s this, as to what Is peachers is quite formidabie; and it will be shown | this witness was put in for some good purpose, If it | Meant by “for and during the term of the President so clearly as to be within the comprehension of the | was I want the whole of it. by whom they may have been appointed?” Mr. weakest intejlect that Mr. Stanton is no more pro- Mr. EVARTS—Mr. Chief Justice, the fact is not ex- | Stanton appears, By the commission which has been. tected by the ‘Tenure of Office law than he is by the | actly as stated. In the privileged cross-exainination | Put in inthe case by the honorable Managers, to Homestead law, which is the only other law of any | counsel for the President asked the witness dis- | have been appointed during the first term of Presi- importance which may be regarded as exercising | tinctly whether he had said so and sotoa Mr. Koppel, | ent Lincoln, in January, 1862, Is this part of the protection over squatters. It will be shown that the | Witness said he had not, and then voluntecred a | language ‘during the term of the President by whom Tenure of Oiice law no more applies to Mr. Stanton | statement that there might have been some mis- | they may have been appointed” appplicable to Mr. than itdoes to Je Davis. If it can be established | understanding between Mr. Koppel and himself on | Stanton’s case? That depends whether a person ex- that the only commission as Secretary of War that } that subject, or some misunderstanding somewhere, | Pounding this law judicially has any right to add to it Mr. Stanton ever held expired on the 4th of March, | Our inquiry had not reached, or asked for or brought | “nd any other term for which he may afterwards be 1865, the end of Mr. Lincoln’s first term, and that he | out tie misunderstanding. 'We hold distinctly that | elected.” By what authority short of the legislative has never since been nominated and confirmed as | everything that relates to any conversation or inter- | Power can these words be added to the Secretary of War for the present term, either by Mr. | view between the President and this witness, | Statute “during the term the President ¥"? Lincoln or Mr, Johnson, the law in question has not | whether as understood or misunderstood, has been | Does it mean any other term or terms for been violated, and this it is proposed to prove. gone through, and the present point of inquiry and | Which the President may be re-elected? I respect- If it can be established that Mr, Johnson merely | and the further testimony as to the grounds of the | fully submit that no such judicial interpretation can detailed General Thomas to act as Secretary of War | misunderstanding between this witness and some | be put upon the text, At the time when this order ad interim, and did not appoint him any more interiocution in Boston we object to. was issued for the removal of Mr. Stanton was he he appointed General Hancock to command the } Mr. BUTLER—Having put ina part of this testi- | holding the office during the term of the President tary Division of the Atlantic, the other mainstay of | mony in regard to Koppel, Whether voluntary or not, | DY Whom he was appointed? The honorable Mana- A condition of quasi rebellion exists on the part of the Board of Managers towards the Senate this evening. During the discussion of the rules for the government of the High Court it will be remem- bered the Senate had an exceedingly high time over the twenty-first rule, in reference to the number of Persons to be allowed to participate in the argument. ‘The rule as finally adopted allowed only two persons on each gide to take part in the final'argument, with &@ proviso, “unless otherwise ordered by the Senate ‘upon application for that purpose.” Some objection ‘was then raised by the Board of Managers as to the stringency of this rule, and it was very generally Understood that the Senate would suspend this obnoxious feature in order to allow more speeches to be delivered. Under this impression the Board of ‘Managers have been busily engaged for the past ten days in getting up elaborate speeches, which, as a matter of courtesy at least, it was thought the Sen- ate woulg allow to be spoken. To-day, however, in canvass of a majority of the Senate, it was dis- covered that those who were in favor of giving all the Managers an opportunity to spread themselves chal by one of the Senators from Wisconsin (Mr. | made in 1789 on the legislation of Congress following Doolittle) that it was the intention of those who | that decision, and on the terms of the commission favored this bill to keep in office Mr. Stanton and | under which Mr. Stanton held, you must come to the some other Secretaries; that that was directly met | conclusion, without any further reference to the sub- by the honorable Secator from Ohio (Mr. Sherman), | ject, that the Senate had nothing whatever te do one of the members of the conference committee, by ‘with the removal of Mr. Stanton, either whether the this statement:— Senate was in session or not; that his removal was I do not understand the language of the Senator from Wis- | made either under the constitutional power of the consin, He first attributes a purpose to the conference com- | President, as it had been interpreted in 1789, or, mittee which I'say is not true. I say that the Senate has not | if that ’be considered reversed, under ’ the legislated with a view to any person or to any President, and tl Dommiitise to. $e therefore he commences by asserting what is not true. We Fre made he eislat do not legislate to keep in the Secretary of War, the Secret resident in reference to all those Secretaries not in- of the Navy nor the Secretary of State, ‘7 | cluded within the Tenure of Oftice act. This, how- Thus a conversation arose between the honorable | ever, does not rest simply on this application of the Senator from Ohio and the honorable Senator from | Constitution and legislation of Congress. There has Wisconsin; and the honorable Senator from Ohio | been—and I shall bring it before trent ractice on continued thus:— the part of the government of going back to a very early day and coming down to a _ recent period That the Senate bas no such purpose is shown by ite vote | for the President to make removals from oitlce when pbb: Tanke his excopion hat ty the feet that the Inet | the case called for them, without regard to the fact Pres framed as to apply to the present ident. the | whether the Senate was in session or not. The in- ‘are now opposed to making any concessions what- | the impeachers is knocked from under their ca: Thave a right to the whole of it. Iwill explain, {| S€tS say yes, because, us they say, Mr. Johnson is ows that himself, and argues truly that itwould not | stances, of course, would not be numerous where, The radicals seem, however, to regard the 7 Q 01 merely serving out the residue of Mr, Lincoln’s term, | prevent the present President from removing Secretary | if the Senate was in session, he would not ever, and declare they will enforce the twenty-first ‘gard Want to show that the misunderstanding Was not | ii). that so under the provisions of the constitu. | Of War, theBecretary of the Navy or the Secretary of Slate} send o nomination to the Senate, suying: of the President as a settled thing, and are busily | that the President said that twenty-five per cent + employed in arranging for the succession. “They ap- | to be given, but one of his friends, ‘This Is Wl tion of the United States? I pray you to allow me | fe tn mashoot and fa honor as tohold his pice, atterine | “L @ppoint A. B. instead of ©. D.,’ removed. rule. The Managers are greatly exercised at this pear to be a good deal dividea in their opinions as to | the misunderstanding was. Do the gentlemen still | read one or two sentences that are exactly appli- | politest intimation from the President of the United States | But there were occasions, not of, frequént new development, and cite the cases of Chase and who are the proper officers to succeed to the Chief cable to this question, The first is the first section | that his services were no longer needed, I certainly, as a | occurrence, where the President had not time to se- Peck, both tried by the Senate, to show that the rale | Yoo8 cody the removal of Mr. Johnson, or the |-°4eo fy anps—Certainty. Of the second article of the constitution, which says:— | Senator, wonld consent to bis removal ai any time, ead so | ect a person Whom he would nominate, where he in each instance allowed the full number tospeak. In | inal itity, from eny cause, of Ben Wade to act after Mr. BeTLER—That’s ail. ae cop arn the sages stripe : at wee so a oancane would not trust the officer then in possession of the the case of Chase ther ere eleven speeches made, | he is duly installed. The contest over tuts important rs s 6S of the United States of America, le shall hold his read this, Senators, not as expressing the opinion | office to continue it, and where it was necessary, by chy iP vf ‘ TESTIMONY OF FOSTER BLODGETT. onice during the term of four years, and together | of an individual Senator concerning the meaning of | CuCéoiaConter ‘to remove hin from the oimice, wIIOlly and in that of Peck eight. Therefore, it is argued, how much more important is itin a great trial like that of the President of the United States that all the Managers should have an opportunity to say some- thing. Notwithstanding the inferences which have been drawn from conversations with the Senators to-day, the Managers intend to-morrow, if an occasion offers, juestion promises to be quite acrimonious, and will - ~ J Ms pom the Pin of atasataton in the party Defure the Mr. Foster Blodgett was sworn aud examined by | with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, | a law that is under discussion and that 1s about to independent of nomination of his successo! matter is set at rest. Mr. BUTLER:— ¢ ‘the Unit be elected as follows.” There ts a declaration that } pass into legislation ; I read it as the explanation re- | Let me bring before your attention a case whic! ‘The belief is openiy expressed by the more bitter | ,,%, Were you an officer of the United States at any | the President and Vice President are each respectively | port of the committee of conference appointed by | happened recently within the knowledge of the radicals of both houses that the yote of the court on | Mme! A. hile G to hold his office for the term of four years; byt | thls body to see whether it conld agree with the | Senate. We were on the eve of civil war. the guilt or innocence of the President will be a Q. Where? A. In gusta, pent ethectt that does not stand alone. Here 1s a qualification of | House of Representatives in the terms of this bill. iment was in the hands of a man who was dis- strictly party one. ‘They have frequently been heard Q. Holding what office’ A. Postmaster of the city. | that statement:—‘In case of the removal of the Presl- | And now I ask the Senate if, looking at the lan e g and unfaithful to his trust. to rail at certain Senators because they refused to Q. When did you go ee ig paame dent from ofice, or of his death, resignation or ina- | of this bill, looking at its purpose, looking at the cir- | who on his removal or resignation would come to romise their votes for conviction; but they reso- | A. 1 was ba gered te i) = Ui A haa bility to discharge the powers and duties of the said | cumstances under which it was’ passed, looking at | the place, was in the same category as his master. jutely adhere to the opinion that no republican Sena- | Went into the office in the following pe preruner. | oitice, the saine shall devolve on the Vice President.” | the meaning then attached toit by each of the bodies | Under these circumstances the President of the tor dare vote to acquit the President. tthe despotism | (Witness produced lis commission, which Was €x- | So that, although the President, like the Vice Presi- | who assented to it, is it ible to hold that Mr. | United States said, “Mr. Floyd, I must have ibited by Mr. Butler to counsel for the President.) dent, is elected for the term of four years, and each | Stanton’s case 1s within the scope of this Tenure of | possession ef the’ office.” Mr.’ Floyd had too pace 4p lk amenlzag Rapp apaagi <NE Sao aacorerined ‘annie conan Poe Q. Were you confirmed by the Senate? A. Yes. is elected for the same term, the President is not to | OMce act? I submit that it isnot. I now return to | much sense, or good manners, or good speak. If the Senate refuses to accede to thisre- | corvoticm is such that the latter dare not say their ¢ Were you suspended from oifice? A. Yes, hold his office absolutely during the four years, The | the allegations of this article. The first, as Senators | someth: ing else, to do anything but immediately quest some lively scenes are expected. Among the | gouls are their own without subjecting themselves . Have you a copy of the letter of suspension? | jimit of four years is not an absolute limit. There is | will remember, is that the issuing of the order which | resign, and instantly the President put into the War rest Old Thad has been quite busy for some days in | to the suspicions and threats of their political | A: I have not a copy of it uere; it was dated the 3d | g conditional limit, as the lawyers term it, imposed, | is set out in the articles was a violation of the Tenure | Omice General Holt, the Postmaster General, without nis id 4, it te nai, ole tyrants. of January, 1868. meth and when, according to the second passage, which i of Office act. It is fectly clear that this is not | the delay of an hour, when the delay of twenty-four putting eas upon paper, and, it is said, me ‘The impeachment trial far greater im- Q. Have you examined to see whether your sus- | have read, the President dies or 1s removed, then his |‘trae. The Tenure of Office in its sixth section, | hours ‘ht be of vast practical consequences. ‘There excessively rampant when informed that there was pension and the reasons therefor have been sent to | term of four years for which he was elected, and dur- | enacts that every removal, appointment and emotu- | are several of this class of cases arising in all the de- tance than that involved in the question of guilt @ prospect of his being rated out. br imoccue ot Mr dghanh tha delion fhe | ea aetna hae tt Seat | Ang mh wan aha fs, provid he shud | mens that tay have doen exeroued contrary tothe | partnats and folirmed ty thw ation un We shal reached in this case wi rove whether the states. : J B, tei a ol rovisions 01 acl a le- | bring before you ice showing witat these cases General Thomas will be a far more interesting wit- | Ten in whom the people iS can pronounce their Mr. BUTLER—I sup) that Senators can ascertain | tye Vice President. For what period of time? For Treanor. Well, in the first place, no removal has were, so that it will appear that ™ long as officers honest opinion upon the merits of the case, as | fr themselves how that is. the remainder of the term for which the Vice Presi- | been proved. ‘They set out the order of removal. If | held during the pleasure of the President, and wholl bones pegeeesd ome ‘or whether they are to ‘nee Senator Jonxsox—Of course we know all about it. | dent was elected. ‘There is no more propriety under | Mr. Stanton had obeyed that order it would have independent ofthe advice which he might receive ooned into committing an outrage on justice, at the Mr. BUTLER—I suppose you did know all about this provision of the constitution of the Unittd States | been a removal, but inasmuch as Mr. Stanton did not | from the Senate with reference to their removal, Has any action been taken on you in calling the time during which Mr. Johnson holds | obey it there was no removal; so that it is quite clear | whenever there was an occasion for it the President ictation of unscrupulous leaders. A fortnight | (To the witness)—Has any will cecilia ie iP" party iglt | Suspension? A. None that | know of. the office of President, as it was devolved on | that, looking at this sixth section of the act, they | used his power whether the Senate was in session or ness than is generally supposed, provided he gets a chance to unbosom himself about General Butler and his peculiar ways. Butler, it will be remembered, characterized Thomas as a traitor in his speech last itness was not cross-examined, hum, a part of Mr. Lincoin’s term than there would be | have made out no case of removal within the statute I th iderati Lt. Monday week; but Thomas, by reference to his OTLEN called upon counsel for the President | pits part on ME adie “to the Tenure of Omee act} and’ to te LE ying that one sovereign who | and therefore no case of violation by the removal. It ‘ ; memory, recollects that Butler used the same phrase |} PROCEEDINGS OF THE COURT. | to present the original letter of suspension. Tuereeds to another sovereign by ‘death holds | must not ouly bea removal, but it gust be sont SEiss stingntania tet “Ine President violated towards him some years ago in a personal difficulty hol wile Mr. Burien then put in evidence the letter of | a part of his predecessor's term. The term assigned | to the provisions of the’ Tenure of Office aci knowingly the constitution of the United States ‘which occurred between them, which is thus related. Adjutant General Thomas, dated “War Department, | by the constitution was a conditional assignment. It | And, therefore, if you hold the order to be in effect | in the order for the removal of Mr, Stattton from. of- Tenth Day. February 21, 1868,” acknowledging his appointment | was to last four years, if not sooner ended; but if | a removal, unless Mr. Staton’s case was within this | fice while the Senate was in seasion, the counsel for Atthe breaking out of the war three commissions UNITED STATES SENATE CHAMBER, aa Secretary of War ad interim. sooner ended by death, then the office was to devoive | act, and unless this act gave Mr. Stanton a tenure of | the President deem that it is not essential in order to issued to Generals Banks, Dix and Butler, bear- WASHINGTON, April 9, 1863, } Mr. BUTLER stated that he was instructed by the | on the Vice President, and the term of the Vice Presi- | office, his removal would not have been contrary to | his vindication from this chai to go further into the Managers to say that they would ask leave to put in | dent to hold office then began. 1 submit, then, that | the provisions of the act. But this article, as Sena- Presid rtheles h The doors were opened to the crowd at eleven | & proper certificate irom the records of the Senate | on this language it 1s equally apparent that Mr. Stan. | toretwill perceive on looking at it, eaten allege fen gi crac Aven ery thy imoy co derrea ne ing date May 16, 1861. A difficulty arose as to which o'clock this mérning, and the galleries were com- | to show that no report of the suspension of Foster | ton’s case cannot be consider as within this act. | simply that the order for the removal of Mr. Stanton | it should be brought into court and that I now pro- one of these officers ranked the other. Presi- Gent Lincoln, ft seems, wrote on a slip of paper | fortably filled by an audience of the usual well Blodge has ever been made to the Senate, ‘This law, however, a3 Senators very well know, had | was a violation of the Tenure of Office act. The to open to your consideration. The constitution the above names in the order they appear, | dressed order at the opening of the Senate at twelve | ,, {Ne CHIEF JusTice remarked that that could be | a purpose; there Was a practical object in view, and | honorable House of Representatives hes, not by tte Fequires the President of the United States to take b elo! put in at any time. however clear it may seem that the language of the | articles attempted, in other words, to erect a mist care that the laws be faithfully executed. It also re- leaving Butler last, and of course outranked by | o'clock. oWlt, Bote eK then said, on the partof the Managers, | Jaw, when applied to Mr. Stanton, willexciude that | intoacrime. Ihave been arguing to you at con- | quires of him before he is qualified for his oMce to the other two. When Butler learned this he repaired After prayer by @ stranger, in which all the de- ve Wet uRY—I sek the honorable Manager under penned pa et fe law, i uJ ee Siieranie Gree and, ee rn gee rye swear tiat he will faithfully execute the laws, and .* age can be disclos , Irpose eq! On the construction 0! is law. ave a clear idea i it llity he will preserve, protect to the War Department and raised a great commo- | partments of the goyernment were remembered, the | what article this case of Blodgett comes? a different interpretation, that. different. interpreta: | Gr'wnas tes consthection onght to be. Senators who | end defend ine constitution ot ene Gaited Staten E tion, contending that as he had put his troops in the | President pro tem. relinquished the chair for the Mr. BuTLER—In the final discussion I have no | tion should be given. But on the other hand, if the | have listened to me may have a different idea about suppose every man will agree that as long as the Presi- field before the others he was entitled to seniority of | Chief Justice, and the court was opened by the usual | doubt that the gentleman who closes the case for the | purpose that was in view is one which requires this | it; but I think they will in all candor admit | dent in faith is endeavor.ng to take care tha: rank. Thomas, who was Adjutant General at the | proclamation. fer Will answer that question to your satisfac. forage ea I = Fe Rig | that there is a gosstion 5 i ommraction here, the laws executed, and {s in good faith a ns time, fell in his way, and was taken to task for At ten minutes past twelve o'clock the Managers Mr. STaNRERY—I have no doubt of that myself. drgument, but shows that ioe only the ng of ne Waly question whether it" is ob steals hantoe (a Cor eens ee Sated Beene, placing the martial trio in the order they have been | were announced. All appeared but Mr. Stevens. praaeteny 2 why we are to be put to the trouble the act iteeit, Lam bee Lanna h Meal ace the legis- te Mr. Stanton’ case—a ver: on a8. sala ques. although he may be mistaken, he hae not committed « re lation had in vie" age, juires ion which any man may ent in; an erefore, ri misdemeanors tn e execution of given. “There has been some shuMing going on in | The counsel for the President were all promptly | “The Onimr Justice remarked that the case was | this interpretation. Now, there can be no di ute | repeat it is important my ‘observe that the honorable pe ke TI ¢ President found various Teapene— yourdepartment and you are a traitor,”’ exclaimed | present. closed on the part of the Managers, and that there | concerning what that purpose was, as I suppose here | House of ee has not by this article en- | which it is not my province at this time to state, but the highly inflamed hero of many unfought fields. The House of Representatives at fifteen minutes | Was no question before the court on which this dis- | js a peculiar class of officers singled from all others | deavored to charge the President with a high misde- | which will be exiubited to you hereafter—that it was cussion could continue. and brought within this purpose. Why ts it? It ts | meanor because he had failed in construing that | im; ible for him to allow Mr. Stanton to continue General Thomas, with his usual calm expression, surveyed Butler's agitated form and measuredly responded, ‘you're a liar.” A lively scene ensued. past twelve o'clock was announced, and a rather | “Mr, staxweRy—The question is that we merely | because the constitution has y . s provided that these | law. The House charges him with intentionally mis- Id the office of Secre' of War while wi larger proportion than on recent occasions put in | want to know under what article this case of Mr. pricipal officers in the severalexecutive departments | construing it, so that in order to maintain the sub- ia vonsible for his conduct in the manner in whien their appearance. Blodgett comes. may be called upon by the President for advice re- | stance of this article, without which it was not de- | he required by the constitution and laws to be nsible. Thi Was intimated to Mr. Stanton, D dusrice— janagers ting — va Batler doubled his digits and placed both his hands | The Curer Justick asked—Have the Managers on have conciuded taatr evince: Gentlemen, couse Poeveuting theireeveral ditiee-aotres read the cone eld not sland. tt ts nectsaany for toe Managers to not produce the effect which in inconventently close to Thomas’ nose, while the | the part of the House of Representatives any further | for the President, you will proceed with your de- | stitution, that the President may call upon the Sec- | show that the ‘President wilfully misconstrued this my well informed men guch Secretary of War and a group of amazed spectators | evidence to bring in? fence. retary of War for advice concerning questions arising | bill; that having reason to believe, and actually be- ion usually produces. ‘Thereupon 4 rgument of Mr. Curtis for the Defence. in the Department of War, but that he may call upon | lieving, after the use of due inquiry that Mr. Stan- | the Presi t 5] 7 tanton, Mr. BUTLER—We have. tn ae’ | nim for advice concerning questions which ares | ton's case was within the law, he acted asif it was | ena repored that fast. ta the Senate, Certain pre to looked wonderingly on. Thomas reiterated his con- On motion of Senator JOHNSON the further reading | | Mr. ConTIs rose to open the case on the part of the | hart of the duty of the dent and which \ within it, That is the substance of the charge in this | ceedings took place here which will be advel viction of Butler's veracity, and the latter, who mever cares to encounter determined opposition, | of the journal was dispensed with when bat little | President. He said:— touch | his duties = as well as questions } article, Well, what is the proof in support of it? | more particularly presently. They resulted in the 1 Mr. Cer JUsTICR AND SmNaTORS—I am here to | that belong to the Department of War. | Not a particle of evidence, Senators must undoubt- | return of Mr. Stanton to the occu him of bis Gropped his threatening attitude and ingloriousiy | progress had been made. speak to the Senate of the United States, sitting in its | Allow me to see if that ts nota true interpretation. | edly familiar with the fact that the office | omce. Then it-was necessary tar the Presiden t- of retired. Time rolled on and Butler Nourished in the Testimony for the Prosecution. judicial capacity as a Court of Judicial Impeachmeni The language of the constitution ts that the President | of President of the United States, as well as | the United States to consider, first, whether this pages of current history as the hero of New Orleans. TESTIMONY OF W. H. WOOD. premided. oer a a, Cuset Justice 1% the Unt oa bp od ee cyt eine Te the principal ony, fe eet hap n hag lhe aaa Tenure of Office act plied to the cake of Mr. Stan- m * tates, for the of @ President of e United | Officer o! 4 ents on al judicial officers, ci ton, and secor whether the law itself w: Ww po on Raine reenter bend an the wise con Mr. Borer, on the part of the Managers, then | Stites: (Here one or two sentences were entirely | subject relating to the duties of thelr respective | the exercise of judginent and skill In the conatruc- | tha’ inna ca. Inoparativg, becunie “ecabters OY clusion to relieve him from duty down there. The | called up W. H. Wood, who was sworn, inaudible.) Inasmuch as the constitution requires | offices. As | read it, it is “relating to the duties of | tion and application of laws, and on this judgment | with the constitution. Now, I ain aware that it is order to this effect was known to nobody but the Q. Where is your place of residence:? A. Tusca- | that there shall be a trial, and inasmuch as in that | the office of these cipal officers, or relating to the | and skill in the application of the constitution itself. | insisted that it is the civil and moral duty of all men General himself. A citizen of New Orleans, how- | loosa, Ala. trial the oath whith each one of you has taken is to | duties of the President himself.” Atall events, such | It is true the judicial power of the country, so to | to obey those Taws that have passed through all the aved! 4 th a: done Mctal Q. Did you serve in the Union army during the | administer impartial justice according to the | was the practical interpretation put upon the consti- | speak, technically speaking, is all vested in the Su- | forms of legislation until they shall have been de- Ce ee, ee ee See eee war? A.'I did, sir. stitation and laws, the only appeal that | tution from the beginnings and every gentleman preme Court and in such inferior courts as Congress | clared by the judicial authority not to binding; channel, and, the fact coming to Butler's ears, he Q. From what time to what ime? A. From July, can make here in behalf of the President | who listens to me, and who ts fami all with m time to time has established or may establish. | hut it is evident that that is too broad a statement of ordered him to appear in his presence and state | 1861, to July, 1865. is an appeal to conscience and to the reason | the political history of the country, knows that from | But, then, there is @ great mass of judicial work to | the civil and moral duty incumbent either upon pri- @. Some time in September, 1806, did: you call | of each Judge who sits in this court on the law | an carly period of the country, in the administration | be performed by executive officers in the discharge | vate citizens or upon pablic oificers, because If this from what source he procured the information. This the citizen refused to do, whereupon, it te said, the General ordered a sergeant President Johnson and present him testimoni- | and the fact in the case upon its judicial merits, On | of General Washington, his secretaries were called | of their duties which is of a judicial character. Take, | pe the measure of the duty th Tr could be a as for employment in the government service? A. | the duties incumbent on that high office, by virtue of | upon for their advice concerning matters not within | for instance, all that is done in the auditing of ac- decision, een oot 4 ph, op od ne Vine the say I did, sir. his office, and on his honest endeavor to discharge | their respective departments, and so the practice | counts. That is judicial, whether it is done by an | is unconstitutional, iuasmuch as it is only by disre- Qa ‘What time was it in 1866? A. It was on the 2ist | those duties, the President rests his case, And I ins continued from that time to this, This is what | auditor or comptroller, or whether it be done by a garding the law that any question can be and asquad of men to take the contumactous rebel September. each one of you to listen with that wi distinguished this class of officers in one particu- | chancellor. It is of the same character when done it tors that out and have him shot immediately. It is to be pre- bc et, do you ax the time? A. Partiy from belo to a judge, for his own sake, bat which 1 lar fromm Ba ornee officers Erabraced wan ne by Clie cee. U4 Ree anti bg aly fy trere no nach cs civil or ered emory, the journal at the Ebbitt Hou: cannot ex efforts of mine cit Ww bod: . But there is anot! Inetion | strue and aj has been a high sumed this was merely orde for the object of | m spartl; oo ages defence is. The honorable | The constitution undoubtedly contemplated that | ascertain the facts, They must come to some results ana perriie’ hey, _ * lee raise ae nin ly How long before that had he returned from Sr what that from his trip to the tomb of Douglas? A. | Managers, through their associate who has addressed | there should be executive departments ized, | founded on the law and on the facts. Now this | wi thin Uie constitution of his coun- iy Terollecuon is that he returned the Lsthor isth; | You, have informed you that this ie hot.a court; that | the heads of which were to asiet the President in | class of duties the President of the United States ty, Wilany man question. the patriotism of pro- 1 awaited his return. ‘whatever may be the character of this body, it is | the administration of the laws as well as by their ad- | has to Siaeen A case is brought before him which priety of Join H smphen’s ‘act when he brought the . Did you present your testimonials to him? A. | bound by no law. On that subject I shall have some. | vice; aon ‘were to be the hands and the,voice of the | in his judgment calls for action. Mis first inquiry | Question before the courts of England whether ship 1aa, sir. b> rtosay. The honorable Manager did | President, and accordingly that has been so c- | must be, what is the law on the subject? and he money was within the constitution of England? Not Pa he examine them? A. Part of them, sir. not you, in terms at that there are no arti- | ticed from the tly tr the eat fs counten: di- | encounters, among other thit this Tenure of Office only is there no such rule incumbent upon private de; extorting a confession. It succeeded, however, and the citizen told the story that the news of Butler's removal came direct from Jeff Davis. Whereupon Butler throw himeelf into a reflective attiuue, and exclaimed, ‘None but the President, the Secretary of an ‘War and the Adjutant General could have known What then took place between you? cles before ment to that effect | rectly and explicit lation of Congressin | act in the course of that inquiry. His first duty ts to | citizens which forbids them to raise such questions, you, because a legis STANBERY—What do ce propose to prove? = be in substance to say that there are no honor. | the organization of the depai ~~) and in the act }] construc that law to wee whet! it applies to the | put let me repeat there may be and often have been this—the two Grst would not have told it, but that ‘anyt do with this case Managers before inasmuch as the only | Which constitutes the War. That act | case, and to use, of course, in 80 all those : trlot follow Thomas comraupicated it to Jem Davis.” and | “ge t}anything to dew Power by “which. the honorable Managers ‘are | provides, as Senators will remember, in so many | meahs and appliances which the constitation and | Matancesin which the, highest patriotiem and the thas is disclosed the animus of Butler to Thomas. Mr. STaNBERY—What articles ? clothed by the House of Representatives is an author. | words, that the Secretary of War is to disch laws of the country have put into his hands to enable | aak any of you if you were a trustee for the rights of Mr. BUTLER—As to the intent of the President in | ity to it here at your bar articles, | such duties, within a certain description | him to come to a correct decision; but after all he | third persons, arid if those rights of third ns, tiny totoniog very attentively to Judge Cattle wath | SYeraor ibe aricles. | 4, ese Mae me ne Soma | ae that ne so de eer AS PRIME | Se Tha peoeete the Pendent nee aagtPes | mane they cou not deeud, Ahempelved By ime listening very nitive ir. STANBERY—W hat lo’ vat make no for le - 9 ol 0 hould be attack want asking your close attention to these articles in man- | structions and directions, Let me repeat:—The | go through in this case, and did go through, and he | an act ot ection tow weal you not deem tt ake the latter, in the course of his argument, happened to mention, by way of analogy, the word “sovereign,” whereupon Oid Ben got up and said when they came to talk about soveretgne or kings it was time for him Mr. BuTLER—To bt peel tet hed Mr. BUTLER (to witness)—What did he say? A. He Paypal A aM a neg tall ey Secretary of War and the other secretaries, | came to the conclusion that the case of Mr. Stanton ered t ist that law hi ation sald imy claims for government employment ‘were | in the rst place ye Ay] i the Postmaster General and the Attorney Gen: | was not within the law. ‘He came to that conclusion | thea? ‘And if» privace trustee ‘may be i pect to good or worthy of eral are deemed to be the assistants of the Presi- | not merely by examination into this law himself, but | such a duty, and impelied by it to such action, how Q. What next? A. He inquired about my political is neces: | dent in the performance of his great duties, | by reso to the advice which the constitution | js (t possthié to maintain that he yrho tragtee for sentiments; I told him Twas ots political tana. I to take u lawa are faithfully | and laws of the country enable him to call for in | the people, with powers confided to fim for t) © go and take 4 smoke, I ion man—a 10 act for | order to assist him in coming to a correct conclu- may It ¥ thought that when the impeachment caee is | in favor Ut tae IL Ie L 7 ‘i or views show | sion. payne Coes 80, will tie Senate be prepared Lak ged Rebeca ats Venue teed wast has finaly closed by the prosecution the Senate will re- | Congress and in the Chief Justice. He asked me ted out of the | to a must have been a wilful misconsiruc- | been thus committed to him? Do not let me be tree if a ver. | Knew of any differences between himself and Con- the advisers } tion of the law, so wilful and so wrong tha understood upon this, Lam not intend consultation to determine whether, if a ver- | Orega, 7 told hime that | did know of differences mediate con- | justly and properly, and, on pane vance upon or to occupy any extreme dict of guilty ts to be rendered, the penalty disqual- | in = points; then he said that they srere not mi ion pe A teat 1 f. oa D miedo. | cause no such extreme ground has been &, vs e cr nor ints—« juence or donot o Hs fying the accused from holding any oMce of trust or knew which) shall be in my Reon tas Ye the confidence; and 1 How was it pgp here Sates. fie it take care that the laws are’ emoloment under the government will be attached ! meaning. fully executed, ‘When a law las been 5 i, and how is it possibile for to con the President of the United | the forms of legislation, either to ie seuieave. Were those the words? A. I will not ewear that of the Ste 2 that those were the words, ted. It says, of high crimes and misdemeanors | withont his assent, it ts his duty to see SPECIAL CORRESPONDENCE OF THE HERALD. Q. What.did you say to that? A. I remarked that were ap- the law 4@ those who made It con- | pe faithfully executed. So jong ot —— under those conditions I could not aceept an phai time of ite passage! I submit to the | quired of him in his ministerial ne Ampenchmont=The Weakness of the Testis | pointment of any kind if my influence were to be Presi, t advance has been | erect himself into a judicial cours mony for the ProsecutionWhat the Defence Lo _ him in contradistinction to Congress, and : Or _ of Moone My fod a that the haw notvexecute it At Expect to Prove—The Radicals Quarrelling Crose-cxa ined by Mr. STANDERY:— ‘second, atand. and jeaves them that there was an intent ae PS amifeatty never cou’ Over the ang Party Discipline. Q. Do you know : entleman in this city by the ots Bi, as b | that LR thes v0 Sor eva = ston, ‘The oe ay My! not VASHINGTON, April 9, 1868. name of Koppel . ido. ‘harac' we fi but would refuse " . ked with him since constitution these officers—the of the art we have d, and would t! Daring the shor: time that has been agreed to be- | ,,% Have oe pare T called om bi wen ten of the Tenure of OMice act, so that Hewes kon the Intention san wih teteeine wit be Me costat ‘ween the lega) and the politico-legal parties who are | caine to the city, yw all these into compel the tinue in to be nothing but incidental and circumstan- pray contending ove? the Presidential chair the Jookers } Q, Did you ‘eli him yesterday morning that ali you in oMice a meelf. Fortu- | tial, and not the principal subjects. 1s Mr. Stanton CONTINUED ON TENTH PAGE