The New York Herald Newspaper, May 3, 1860, Page 10

eR 10 THE PRESIDENCY. Proceedings of the Rival Chariesten Conventions. Fifty-seven Ballots and No Can- didate Nominated. THE REGULARS aT A DEAD LOCK Departure ef the Mozart Hall Delegates fer Home. The Virginia Republican State Conveation at Wheeiing. ‘Fhe Movement of the Friends of Hunter in Fexas, at, &e., ae. @UR SPECIAL CHARLESTON DESPATCH. Cusniasrow, May 2, 1860, After the thirty-fourth baliot the Convention adjourned i ve o'clock to give Ume for caucus. ‘Hho whele number of vetes now in the Convention is 202 The whole number of vetes sent to Convention is 200. Under the resolution adopting the two-third rule, 202 are necessary to a choice. There are fifty-one seces- ton votes. There is now a dead lock. ‘She Douglas men have now « majority im the Convea- fon, and H is expected they will proceed to repeal the two-third rale, which it is understeod will be resisted by the New York delegation. Failing in this they will pro- pose to adjourn to Baltimore about the middle of June. Im the Secession Convention, the Committee en Plat. ferm bave reported the majority resolutions of the eemmitice of the ether Convention, with the sub- tiation for the name of the party of the constitu. ‘toma) instead of nations) democracy, which were adopted, with the exception of the change of name. Adjourned 0 w morrew. My prediction in the Harazp of Monday, received here to-day, about Douglas’ strength is verified. My prediction of the bolt avrived here just whes it was taking piace on Seserdayevening. Amidst the excitement, it was like an extra with the acws A resolution to lay the motion on the table, requiring fwe hundred and two votes for a nomination, being two- thirds of the whole Electoral College, was lost, the voto beteg 141 ayes, and 111 nays. This was lost by the vote of Now York, and ccems decisive against Douglas, bea:- ‘ug bim in his own Convention. The Chair decided that ftee rule, that two thirds of the vote given, means 202 votes, apd on an appee! from the decision of the Chair, made by the friends of Douglas, the motion to sustain was carried, Mew York voting in the allirmative—I44 ayes to 108 ays. This is another voto against Douglas. The change tm the fortunes of Douglas is brought about by the change of a veto or two in the delegation from New York, giving the 35 votes against Douglas. ‘The Secession Convention is the first step to a separa- tien of the South from the North. The Carolinians are delighted at it. It bas been long since planned; and one of the leaders has said that bo has been worknig for it for ten years. Mr. Bigler, of Pennsylvania, and others, are trying to effect « compromise, and bring the seceders back to the Oeavention; but that!» hopeless. The secession spirit is feo strong, anc the Southern delegates, unlike Northern politicians, are in earnest. Many of them were g'ad to get this opportunity of forming s Southern party, The mort that can be accompliahed is an endersement by the peceders of a good nomination. ‘The Douglas men do not want to get the seceders back, but are anxious to drive the rest of the Southern men out ‘The (riends of Douglas now concede that ke 12 deaten. ‘Beir boasting was just what | told you—a game of brag. ‘He only received aix half votes from the Southern States. ‘These were minority votes from Tennessee, North Caro tea and Missouri. If the Douglas men bad succeeded, ‘they would bave nominated Siepens, of Georgia, for Vice President. In the case of final failure, Stephens, perhaps, will be offered for Preendtent Horatio Seymour has the men of tie New York deloga tien, and if they could effect a combination they would fetch over the ball of ‘Clear the galleries, clear the galleries’) — him up. But they must sow accepts Southern man, or Barve no pomination It te not expected that anything will be done before Fridey or Saturday bat the Convention may break up in a rew before then ‘The withdrawal of Johnson. of Tennessee, and of Breck inridge—who as yet reocived wo votes—gave hope that some new movement was on foot, but it bas only reult @d as vot ip putting up Guthrie to « Rorter down to sivteen—only one more than the vote of . Vieginia Dougiag Bow wants ‘The rejection of the m ote {a majority the Gret week in Jone, offered by a friend of Douglas ia | & the Maryland delegation, shows that this Gght is to be | two third vote of the whole Elecwra! College shal! be re eontinved for some time looger. But it is expected New York will soon break off from Douglas. One of the greatest tirokes of strategy wat the atop toa of the two thirds rule in itt widest senso, by which | CS Susu of the comsiitution, neither uneir rights oe fer the South has out goneralied the Douglas men. Many o ‘the Douglas mea in the New York delegation did not know the effect of thelr vote when they voted for it ‘There who did know were frightened by the threat o/ the withdrawal of the rest of the South. One of the mort active men here against Douglas is Sam. C. Reid Jr., of Lowisiana, brother in law of George N. Sanders. Fernando Wood and the delegation to which he be Jonged left this sfiernoon in the James Adger for New York, He ways be is not committed to elther Coaren fon till be sees their action. He was accompanied by Mr. Lawrence, of | ouisians In the New York delegation bere is a great row | Tenor did mot take ® recem, be would move that the Corning charges Richmond with soiling them, ani to mor | Convention adjourn sine die. row morning Clancy will produce in the Convention, mecensary, & written document to show that there another sale if the vote of the delegation should be oban, ed from Douglas, as it is said it soon will be. Rt ie stated that « portion of Virginia will break of | O** ANY vote tn this Convention to-morrow, and that the Douglas party expect an ac Mr. Bornes appeaied from the decision of the Chair, commion from it. Tonight they confidently way that they | %%! contended that they were carrying owt the instruc: Will either nominate bim or adjourn to New York. | Hen#of the State, while the seceders and bolters were ‘The Dickinson mon say their candidate will come o not. They were sent bere to vote and not to bolt, Ifthe Jet; for wince the exposure in the Henaro Of the | Teteainder of the delegation were not here, it was not the plot to nominate Horatio Seymour, Richmond says | fault of thowe (bat remain ‘that oard is 00 longer « trump. ‘The withdrawal of Breckinridge in not regarded as pre. | #dlted in ayes 148, nays 100. So the decision of the Chair echoing his being brovght up again when other men are | Was Sustained, and the nine remaining Georgia delegates e@xbeurted dariee (Conor, of New York, is now spoken of as eanavinte for View Premdent im the recession Cony sation ‘me hondred gune fhave been fred today in Suvan neh for the meron delegates which eseodet, « teenty seven (Oy ‘he twenty seven Goorgis deleguee who wiberew, Seam ete feefing of the poopie of the six, sad briogiog M to adjoura to Baltimore ti | rial or Cengresvionn) legislation. He offered this as the ul NEW YORK HERALD, THURSDAY, MAY 3, 1860.—TIRIPLB SHERT. the proper ition to proceed: te ballet fer Preaideat. Adopt EVENING SESSION. ed— ayes 148, nays 208 ‘Mec Convention met at Ave o'clock. pars ‘Phe Teancesce resslution, requieingithes the President of | | Mr. Grrrmos, of Maryland, gave etico tnd 0 fer Wir the Conveation shall net declare amy person nominated ‘ext Dallot he would move that the Convention & Weurs to Jor President cr ‘Vico President unless he shall have re- | mect(in Baltimore om the firet Monday in J: me. He ceived 202 or mere votes, was then called ap. thought the delegates should go beme to sec th wir con- ‘Mr. Ricuanpson, of Dlineis, moved to lay the resolution | stitutents, and. they will be ready to do theirs uty by om the table. Ayes 11134, mays 141, -So the resolution ‘nominating any man who can beat the black repu biicans. wes rot laid om the table. Jomam Rampart, of Philadelphia, would move to-amend fouth Curcl na whor:mained after bis delegation withdres, Ban been eompelied to cease voting. Be wae hissed yes- terday im we galleries every time he voted, Whe seceding Convention met to-night im the theatre, and adjourned til} to.merrew at wwelvo o'clock, afer epecebes from Yancey, Beek and Barry. F.C. Ripley , of Charleston, Bas challenged Dr. Churchill, @f the steamer W. R. Spauiding, for alleged insu. Dr. Charchil) entirely disclaims any intention to be uncivil, and there will be ao duel. Mr. Grant, of Michigan, then raised dhe potat of order, | to adjeura sine die. ‘The steamer W. R. S,aulding leaves thinafternoon with | that tbe reselution must be on the table ene day before ‘eecurey Benne, the outsiders from New Regiand. being scted upem, ag it imvotved a change te the standing ‘The thirty-Afth ballet wes announced. Douglws, 152; rales 1 the Convention. ; there ea on the thirty-fourth. OUR SPECIAL WASHINGSON DESPATCH. ‘Wasmsnoton, May 2, 1860. ‘The excitament here about the doings at Charleston is ne Panswenr decided that the resolution was inorder. | 4 debate ensued on the metion-ef Mr. Grrmia He ‘Mr. SrusRr eppealed frem the decision of the Chair; nagered the Convention that Dalimero was pe longer & and the vete-deing called on the appeal.the Chair was | M=6-vgly town, and promised.» ‘‘hespitable” welosme te intense. The only relabvle 1 ews received here t:-day ls, sustaiced—syes 146, pays 108. (he Capveation. . |. Ihave just received your kisd tbat olovan ballots ware Rid, and Donglan gradcally ren | Et icon was adopted. ‘The motion was withdzewn:fov.the present, but be | ‘ fan deciovo, hme regret exceed up frem one hundred and ferty-five to ene buadred and fifty-one and a half,and there he stuck; alse thatthe Oon- Veation adcpted a resolution requiring two hundred end {we votes to make a nomination, and that the probability was that if Douglas was not nominated today Bo would be deserted, and that New York and other.Nerthern States would drop him first. ‘The moat sanguine friends ef Dougias consider that it is out of the.queation to think of npminating him. Those who have prided themselves upen the beid action. of the majority, in compelling*the Seuthers fireeatere to belt are now chagrined and mortified that the Comvention should adopt! a resolution which makes the secedera just ‘a8 powerful, whether in or out. Some of the leading ant!-Lecompton men have been frealy canvasning the pibepects at Cigcago, and exprom- ing the hope that a prudent nomination would be made. A caucus.of fitteen representative men was held im a room in the Capitol to-day, composed of two Senaters, seven reprerentatives of the House, and six government officials and representatives-of the press. Five of the gentlemen present were distinguished aati-Lecompton democrats. A propoeition was made te take the sense of the meoting as to preference in the nomination at Chicago, and the fol- lowing was the result:—Banks, 6; Hickman, 2; Seward, 2; Cameron, 2; Wade, 2; Chase, 1; Bates. 1. The Hickman and Chase, and one of the Wade vetes, would goto Baaks next, the Camerenm vote to Mclean, ‘This vote is regarded as fatalto Douglas. weuld renew {tin the course-ef the evening. ‘The New York, or Cagger-Caasidy delegation, voted for ‘During the thirty:-etxth ballot, Arkansss having voted the two-thirds rule. for Breekenridge, (we of the delegates frem Kentucky re- Mr. Sroamr thea moved 0 amendment, that all dele- | qsested the voto wi idrewn, ako wastastracted by Mr. gates who vete onthe nominations shal) be bound to sus- Breckenrioge not to ailew the use of hisname im oppesi- tain them. Ruled outof order. en to the gentlemeni et present in nomination, and ce- ‘The Convention thei proceeded to Ballot for s candi- | Pecially that of Mr. ( tethrie, ds'e for President, with the following result — sperm nue. BANE ee A at 2 Se BR Ee A 146 54 8636 | M47 148, 42 41 36) 7 5 x r 1 1 i - ‘Same as thirty-seveath, woept Gathrie bad 66. 11 ‘The resolution of Mr. Gisti Bgs, to adjourn to Baltimere, if 12 | was laid om the table without a division. eer on | the came on the thirty-cigh th, on was Ono tho forty- At balf-past nine o’clock the Convention adjourned till | gecgnd. ten o'clock to. morrow morning. Baer. “a and Mr. Yancy was called upon for a speech. He took a pesition om the stage with two bouquets throws to him Dy ladies im hie hands, and returned thanks, and then cajied upon Mr. Baxny, who took » position on the stage, and pro- TITEL gg PEELE srada is HE i og | eeesevecal.. KKK . 1 1 1 1 1 i YESTERDAY'S PROCEEDINGS. Cuaxtmstox, May 2, 1860. ‘The forty-foarth, forty-fifth, fc wty-sixth, forty-seventh, ‘The Boston Brass Band, seated in the gallery, opened | forty-cighth, forty-ninth, Afueth , Sfty-firet, fy-second the Convention thie morning with half = dozen and fifty-third ballets were allt te same as the forty- spirit-stirring airs, conchuding with ‘‘ Yankee Doodle,” at H | i i sf al | i | and tbe Seward man to Wade. This informal | the conclusion of which Mr. Fiovrvoy, of Arkansas, with m6 inspire: | convergationa) caucus may be considered one of the straws | tungs stentorian, proposed ‘‘three cheers for the Union,” | Tane | a ; patriots; under | | pertioa of oar that tell the course of the current. which was heartily responded to. te. Guamadnaeshtishin teks (e inexpedient-at this Since toe despatch alluded to above was reseived ‘The floor and galleries were thronged with the first - | tin6 to make a nomination. He want \i gentlemen-to face from Charleston, another private despatch has beem re- | dies of ibe city. the music. Declared out of order. 2 That ceived, announcing that thirty-four ballets have been had, ‘The Convention was called to order at half-past ten ywtr-nms maior. the nation, our Houston, as the and Doogias varied from one hundred and forty-nine and | o'clock. Douglas. 1516 omed Oaa be. ove-balf to one hundred and Afiy.two and ene-haif, The | Prayer was offered by Rev. Mr. Kewpmo. a a po Convention theo adjeurned to meot again at five o'clock, ‘Toe balloting for President [was then resumed as fel- when it was believed that New York and some other States would lead cff either for Dickinson or Guthrie. The bolters had not returned. ‘The opinion prevails bere that if Guthrie ts not nomi- nated by the yielding of the Douglas men, that the Con- venthon will adjourn and a new Convention w.il immedi. ately aesemble of all the anti Doygias delegates, and place a ticket in nomination. ‘The excitement here, if possibJe, is on the increase re- garding the events at Charleston. Many reports were in circulation this eventng—for instance, that Guthrie had rece ved 168 votes, which created a great sensation anti) tts faleity was ascertained. e ‘Tbe democratic and republican headquartera are crowded with inquirers. THE REGULARS’ CONVENTION. CONCLUSION OF TUESDAY'S PROCEEDINGS, Cuanueeron, May 1, 1960, ‘The following are the closing proceedings of the Conven. tion to day:— Mr. Horney, of North Carolina, saw nothing that should ‘The fifty-sixth and fifty seventh ballots umchanged. Mr. Asare, of North Carolina, moved toa @jeara. Mr. Grrmves moved an amendment, that we adjourn te the first Monday in June to Bsltimore. ‘The amendment was rejected. A vote by States was taken on the motion \e adjoura, and t was carried—ayes, 148; nays, 100. Adjourned, at a quarter to-eight o'clock. Douglas’ friends are determined te stand by b tm to the end. TUESDAY'S PROCEEDINGS. ‘Onsnumron, May 1, 18 00. ‘The Secession Convention have just organised at .Vili- tary Hall, Col. Preston, of Charleston, 8. C., in the ch vir. ‘The rall of delegates was read, when the folloWing |s- walt appeared — Florida, Alabama, Missiasippi, Lousiana and en - ™ York, Obio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin and ‘Seutb Carolina entire, with the exception of one vote. Jowa voted entire for Douglas, and he received 3} from Arkansas, ditto. Connecticut, 2 from New Jersey, 93; from Pennsylvania, Georgia, twenty-six delegates out of thirty three, seven 5)¢ from Maryland, 434 from Missourt, and Sfrom Minne- } ving gone home. i fi i} i Hi 3 4 Hil ; I i E E is t | er ne a ere pore 5 a a ee cr RR oe meena eee ee PE a eae 8 ee ae rg a eae Pe rae warrant the Southern delegates in seceding. He was op. | gu, Total, 160. Ik will be observed that Georgia, which kas ten votes, Jatt ray oe pesed to ‘squatter sovereignty,” but was willing to take | Guthrie received—Massachusetts, 3; Connecticut, 2)<; | was represented by « double set of delegates--forty in all tia sae ‘be a maj wwiy of the whole eabedsinsiin aanhemaaiiet the Drod | New Jersey, 5; Pennsylvania, 12; Maryland %; Missouri, | The remaining seven, therefore, lelt in the other Conven- boner of Berane ate Mand it eo person have. Beets decisis. wes eins ; Kentucky, 12 tion only count one aad three-quarters. avo from highest numb ers oo. the Senaie aball choose the Vice President; & quorum for of two thirds of th e whole nam Mr Ructarnson, of Mimois, endorsed the statement of facts made by Mr. Seward, of Georgia, of a compact be- tween the North and the South at the time of the passage Lane received—New Jersey, };; Pennsylvania, 234; From Delaware there are two <telegates, including Mr North Caroliua, 10; Arkansas, 1; California, 3; Oregon, 3. Bayard. One delegate has gone home, who agrees with Hunter rece:ved—Massachuretis, 4}¢, Pennsylvania, 3; | the seceders, and three delegates remain in the other | . | of the Kaneas bill. You ask us for our property or our § neigware, 2; Maryland, 4; Virginia, 16. Convention for the pi " field, and whes liver, and we are ready to lay them down for you; but do Johnson received—Tennensee, I1; Minnesota, 1. From Virginia there is one delegate, and from Missouri by f not, I entreat of you, make any demands upon us to yield Dickinson received—California, 1. three. me Biome 5 , | ap our manbood and our bonor: Davis received—Massachusetis, 1 3,. Tt was suggested to wait the action of the other Conven ‘The Republican State Convention met to-day. Mr Prvry, of South Carohna roee—(loud hissing from the galeries now commenced, while cries resounded al! thon before proceeding to any important basiness. Fursaspo Woon said that in consultation with his fellow delegates from New York, they bad resolved to with- éraw from this Convention tili they sew what its action would be; if for principles for which be contende1 at home, then he was with them. His course and that of the other delegates depended now not on the action of the other Convestion, but of this, He stated that he attended last night by the invitation of a committee; had the other Con Yention admitted his delegation they would have seceded their thirty five votes for the South in every question Mr. Yaxeny taid the other Convention had committed a grave mistake in cdmitting the Cagger delegation. Had the Wood delegation been admitted, the imtegrity of the democratic organization would have been sustained and thought his constituents ought to be beard, and be de- the integrity of it principles, and the Integrity of the Union {teelf, whore diseolution may be the ultimate conse- ca poo mn te a quence of the proceedings of the last few days in this city. Debate was indulged in for some time on the question, | > ScCacusr. of Sou Cureiine, ince when the Prmunesr decided that the delegates from Vir- Se ee ees aad aa ae ginia aro entitied to cast their individual votes. meets party te Page ei: Vea ee eae Mr. Bavann was clected permanent Chairman, He Douglas alse recelved one vote from North Carotina, pe een i Pt ern ener civing Bim a majority of the whole Electoral College, as | “***» jenny eo goenenmnans cutie i and Vieo Presidency, and if the other broken Convention ‘only nominate a good man, it \s possible they may recom- mend him. Mr. Rowan, of Virginia, presented the resull of the con- sultation with the delegation from his Sate. They fully ‘endorse, be said, the course taken by Tennessee; and if the resolution presented by Tennessee in not adopted, be ta authorised not to east the vote of bis Stato on any sub- ect in the Convention. Mr, Cauwni, of Kentucky, endorsed the ground taken by Tennessee and Virginia. ‘They would ali act together om thin subject, They wished an endorsement of the Dred Soot decision, and an agreement that the nominees shail receive not less than two hundred and two as re- Delegates were present from all parts of the State. The Convention was called to order at ten o'clock. Joseph Applegate, of Brooke county, was chosen Pros! drat, with eleven Vice Presidents. Rev. Mr MoClure opened the Convention with prayer Bon. Alfred Caldwell and E. M. Norton, of Ohio county; J. © Underwood, of Clark county, and W. A. Gill, of Douglas... Gatbrie. ‘and took the stand. He proclaimed himself a Union demo- crat. ‘This great and glorious Union should be preserved, {Cit ie possible, ‘The assertion that it was agreed that the foith required more than the endorsement of the deci sions of the Supreme Court of the United States was oo say to geptiomen that, if they will now cadorre the Dred Scott decis'om, they will be abie to bring al! the Southern States into union and harmony again ry Aowann, of Tennersee, spoke in bobalf of that State, aid presented the suboine’ resolution sustaining the Dred Scott decision, and declaring that no rights of porson or property the Territories shall be impaired by Territo- TWENTY THIRD RALLOT. On the twenty-third ballot, when Virginia was called, Mr. Roweert stated that be was required to cast fourteen votes one way and one another. He declined to cast it, however, onless otherwise ordered by the Convention. The State Convention had not passed any resolution on the subject, but voting as a unit was regarded asthe demo. cratic law of the State. Mr. Nonerr, of Virginia, said himself and colleague tree. He woul matum of the South, togetber with « resolution thats negroes. quired for ® nomination — b~ ee . ooh 7 ed : : the cit: zent of the United States have = Apt acc settle with thei property in the Terri- ied Slates, and that Tinder the decisions of the Supreme Court, which we recogaite as & correct Rerol ‘That two-thirds of all the electoral votes of the United States shali be required for the nominations ‘The above resolution will also be insisted om by Ken tocky Mir. Munnex demanded that the vote on the resolution fixing the time for commencing ballot new be taken. Severn! motions were bere made to adjourn, amid the greatest confusion and disorder. A vote was demanded by States, on the motion to ad journ Mr Grrmses, of Maryland, gave notice that, if the Con a ! ry Fi 3 £ ft | I taking the vote the Georgia gelegation gave the 1 | C00 vote of the state. < ‘Thiet was objected to, and led to some debate. i f ae, a ae ee ee rwesry abmern parton quiaite for & nomination He concluded by moving an 1 the that, whe Prestacty the come ms te Grey aa. adjournment until ten o'clock to-morrow morning, In oF: sudienoe, announce: No ebange. ‘ rt der that gentlemen might have time to deliborste on this tender to TWRNTY SUTH RALLOT. aubject. «16136 Jobneon. . 42 Dickinson, pti lbs ‘The motion was carried. a Davia... 1 . YESTERDAY'S PROCBEDINGS. ‘ Craniesron, May 2, 1800. ‘The Southern Convention adopted the platform reported by the majority of the Platform Committee to the Nations) Convention. This platform is as follows — eretic party st ( Ly |, with the following A vote by States was demanded on the appeal, aod re. left the Convention, ceeiaring that had diefranchined « a | tovereien State. The motion to adjourn waa then renewed. ant afver « jong debate, at three P.M. the Convention adjoorned nil twee Pri ai 4 BV ENING ABPOION, Thee veatnn rearsem tied Bo ft. ort MONROE ccs cece BOM oe > . 5 pee At half past ene toe Comvention wljourmed to tee f IT, tien tebe eeatootner | iy, bong cor ng (Be pres cut g sation o9 =— — —_ eek