The New York Herald Newspaper, March 6, 1859, Page 2

2 NEW YORK HERALD, SUNDAY, MARCH 6, 1859. NL AG SGM S| A EPG. RES eee RT “OAT FL OUR a aR, dds Could make was of Mi, Bindon himself, because I kuew of | con't tell you I wiil;’ the consequence was that I believe nobody else who could know anything about it. GOODS STOLEN FROM THE SUSQUEHANNA, AND THE THIEVES AL. aie your “A. Bindon stated that on did he state 0 you? A. Bindon stated that o1 0 Sraiight he had beed stationed with some. mea and ‘O'Brien down on the Quarantine wharf, when the stores | Delonging Wo the Susquehanna were placed there; be placed pewian tbere, and at the eame time eaid to him, “I have heard that ap attempt will be made to steal someth oc here to-night, and I want you to keep a bright look out; I ‘will station you here, and T will go off among the vesseiag | if you discover anything fire your pistol, and I will re- | turo;” it appeared, however, that there was permission | given to a boat belonging to a vessel to go ashore that night, and bring over some washed clothes; O'Brien told | Bindon that he had given the party in the boat permission | to go ashore; Bindon, however, found stolen property in | the boat, and stated the fact to O'Brien, who replied, <<Well, if that is so take them off at once,’ Bindon said that O'Brien told him at first to let them go, but after- wards said that O’Brien told him if the men had stolen property, to take them off; the men were taken charge of, and placed in the Quaraptine jail, and afterwards taken ‘before the Court, and an order made out for their commit- tal; they were then put in charge of a constable at Staten Island, who allowed them to escape. Q. What goods were stolen? A. Some things belonging to the Susquehanna—candies, and 1 believe some butter; the property was returned to the government officers. Q. Have you had any charges for intoxication against any of the bor police? A. Yes; we had one agaiust ‘one of the men down at Staten Island. Q. Was he tried on the report? A, No; becanse the of- } one they polied two or three hundred against me. ‘A MODEL STATION HOUSE—POLICEMEN ROMHING RACU OTTER. David 8. Clarke, of the Fourteenth precinct, recatled aud examined as foliows by Mx. Spinola:— Q. Has there been a robbery in the Fourteenth precinct | station house to your knowledge? A. Yes , sir. Q. State the facte as far as you are able? A. Well, at re, When the men were to be paid off, we all 're- ceived our pay, and Barnard Phillips wanted to get his, aod he found it was minus; 1 have jost a number of things myself—my feather pillow; I bad it marked, aud I missed it when the sergeant searched round, it was found under another man’s bed; some one took my revolver also; one of the men, named Ferguson, lot bis pay also the month before last. Q. How did the men lose their pay? A. Some one stole it; be was absent, and some one signed his name to the pay roll,and when he went to look for his pay amongst Ube rest of the men’s, it was gone; and the reply was: “That it was stolen.” Q. Who made that reply? A. It was Sergeant Weed, who was paying oil; some one took change out of Ambrose J. Oliver's pocket, too, POLICKMEN PATRONISING HOUSES OF PROSTITUTION. Q Are there any men in the force who are in the habit of visiting bouses of prostitution? A, There have been; whether they are now in the force or not I do not know. Q axing Social calls? A, Yes, and spending a whole evening. Q. Where have you known them tocall? A. Well, I have known them to call at a house in Croaby street. Q. Who is tbe proprietor of that house? A. pro- prietor was a Mrs, Bennett, No, 65 Crosby street; Mrs. ficer that was down there talked to him about it, and as t was the first time there was apything of the kind, and ag the man promised amendment, be was not reported. Q. Who was the officer? A. Weil, I can’t say; I think it was one of the sergeants; he did not wish to report the man, as it was bis first offence. AN OFFICIOUS OFFICER GOT RID OP, Q. Where is Bindon now? A. Weill, I got rid of him; he did not suit me; he was too much of @ sea lawyer, and kept the men continually in quarrels; I requested the Com- miasioners to give me another man ‘in his place, and be was transferred to the Sixth precinct, and shortly after hhe was moved to the Twenty-second; I don’t know any- thing about him now. Q. Do you know whether O'Brien was ever arrested on Staten Island? A. I beard he wus; that was a civil trial also, but I knew nothing about it. Q. Is it your opinion that the Metropolitan Police law requires amendment inorder to make it work more har- moniously? A. Well, [don’t know much about the law generally; I only know about my own department: I do hot know anything about the working of it on shore. Q. How mauy men have you under you? A, Forty-two patrolmen and eight officers—fifty in all; in the summer Season we have a district station at Staten Island, Q. Do you consider the men under your charge in every way qualified to perform the duties assigned them? A. Yes, I think they are; they appear to be all excellent men. Q Are they experienced watermen? A. Yes, all of them; T find them very effective, Q Have you ever had occasion to report any of them except O'Brien? A, Yes,[ had occasion to report a maa named Nodine, on a complaint made by one of the re porters of the press, who said that he saw him engaged in aiding and abetting the incendiaries at the Quaran burning; I preferred the charge against him, and the c was investigated and dismissed, as it was proved that Nodine was preventing the spread of the fire, Q. Have you ever reported any members of the police ‘under your command for tptoxication? A. Yes, Ihave a charge now agaiust a man, and I reported this same No dine for intoxication. WHAT CAYTAIN HARTT THINKS OF THE ORGANIZATION—GENERAL NYE'S HOUSE AND LOT, Captain J. W. Hartt, examined by Mr. as follows:— Q. Are you conn’ pinola, affirmed d with the Metropolitan Police or- Ranizatiou? A. Yes, sir; Loccupy the post of captata in the Seventeenth ct; I was appointed on the police Some eight years ago, and atthe time of the uew iaw I Be through the (ormality of being reappointed in June, Q Was there money raised in the station house to which you are attached, or money paid by any o! the men under your charge, for the purpose of payiug the expenses Of the Captains and commissioners who weut to Alban: the time the repeal of the Police bill was under discus- Bion? A. Not to my knowledge; I understand that nothing of the kind was done. Q. Did you visit Albany yourself at that time? A. I did, sir, Q Did any ove accompany you during that visit? A. There did; one of the commissioners aud several of the captains Q. Which of the commissioners? A. Gen. Ny Q. What captains? A. Well,1 reaily cannot say whe. ther we went by the same train or not, but there were captains there; I saw Captains Squires and Speight. Q. What time during the session of the Legislature was it that you visited Albapy with the commissioner aud ‘these geutiomen? A. Weli, now, I cannot say positively; The only way I could state it would be by looking back to See what was on the carpet at the tin Q. Was this visit to Albany during the pendency of the Dill providing for the repeal of the Metropolitan Police Jaw? A. It was; 1 heard the debates there in the Senate chamber and lower house. Q Was the visit of yourself, the commissioner and captains to Albany, for the purpose of preventing the repeal of the Metropolitan Police law? A. I only answer for myzelf; I went to represent what I considered to be the truth in the premises; we were misrepreseuted, aud ny own visit was to put myself in a true position. Q Was your visit ostensibly for the purpose of prevent ing the repeal of the Police law? A. I cannot say that it ‘was to prevent apything; it was to put matters right; I thovgbt that we were very unfairly represented there by certain members. Q. Was there any subscription taken up from the men under your command, either previous or sub: t 10 your visit to Albany, for defraying the expense of that Visit, or for any other purpose? A. Well, we bave had several subgcriptions. Q. Please state the objects of them? A. Well, when any of our number is sick, or avy of lis family bad, we take up a subscription to relieve them, and thea we take Up subscriptions for ths poor. Q. For any other purpose? A. Yes, I think we took up ‘@ subscription for an eicction there ouce;1 think there ‘Was one. Q. Was there a subscription taken up in the station house last winter, as you understood, for the benetit of ny cne? A. Well, we took up one ouce asa sort of do- nation for one of the commiseioners; J made a statement ‘to that effect once; we had consulted the commissioner oa ‘various occasions and be acted as our counsel, and we thought it but right to get up a subscription for him, as he bad been to a great deal of trouble for us; we thought of making either hitn or one of his family some present, or paying acertain amount on a howse and lot; we never Ahought of giving him a house and lot, but merely pay- ing a certain amount on it. Q About bow long did you suppose it would have taken to raise the amoant? A. Well, no time in particular; we thought of raising two or three hundred dollars; my idea ‘was this: that we often wanted a good lawyer to stand by ‘us in court, and I can seldom employ one less than $50; ‘we all know bow easy itis to have a judgment against you, and I happen to have the misfortune of being a real estate owner, and 1am greatly afraid of haying a judg- ment against me. Q. How much was there subscribed? A. None at all. Q How much was there agreed to be given’ A. Ni at all; I will tell you how it was; we did have a m on the matter, but I afterwards eaw that the people re garded the matter ina different light to what i did, aud for that reason I returned to every man what was paid, Q. Have you ever paid him anything for the services be rendered in any capacity? A. No, sir, not that [ can think of; Thad no arrangement with bim or any of tae commissioners beyond what is right. Q. Have you bad any arrangements through any other party, by which the commissioner is to receive avything for bis services? A. Not a whit, nor never bad. MONEY COLLECTED FOR MAYOR TIEMANN’S ELECTION, Q. Were there avy other subscriptions taken up beyond ‘what you have named? A. Yes, eir; [think there was one taken up ou the Mayoralty question; there was a great dea! of feeling with respect to the Mayor in the depart. ment; there was a collection taken up previous to the election of Mayor Tiemann. Q. Were there any other subscriptions taken up, except these you have named’ A. Not that I now recoilect. Q Pid you learn or understand in any way that any yrtion of the expenses of the commissioners or either of ho captains who attended A!bavy were defrayed with the Hall keeps it now. Q. How many have you known to visit that house at a time and spend an evening there? A, I have known two to be in there at a time. Q. Did _you see them with any portion of their uniform on’ A. Yes, sir. Q. Would they be fully uniformed? A. With their coat and cap, Q. Did you ever know of a man to leave his beat and viet a house af that kind? A. No, sir. Q. Have you known of any member of the force visiting a gambling house? A. No, sir. Q. Have you «ver seen or known any of the officers ef the organization, such as sergeants or captains, to visit houses of prostitution? A. Yes, sir. Q. Where was this house? A. No. 26 Howard street; but the party that kept it then is out of it now. Q. What cflicers of the force haye you scen visiting it? A. A captan. . Was he in the habit of making social calls at that house? A. I bave heard 0, and I have seen him go in gee out myself; I have seen him in there a number of mes. Q. Have you ever beard him make any remarks about the house? “A. Nothing more than one afternoon I was at the corner of the street, when he came out, and I said, “‘Halloa! where bave you been up there?” he said, “Ihave been up to sce how the old girl made out; pretty rough time now; money is not so flush as it used to be.’” Q. Hac be bis uniform on when you saw him go in this house? A. He bad his cap, coat and pants on, «Q Have you ever had a conversation with the woman who kept that houser A, Yes, sir. Q bid she ever tell you that she lent the captain money? A. No, sir. Q. Are there any other matters connected with the cap- tain of that preciuct that you know of? A. Yes, a good deal; I have beard him use profane language to the men when calling them to a fire one night; I was coming down the stairs, when the capiain said, “Why the h— don't You get down here soouer?’? Q. Have you ever seen any of the men drunk at the Station house? A. I have. Q. Were they reporied? A. Ihave known them to be Teported in some instances, and not in otbers. FAVORS SHOWN TO PROSTITCTES IN THE STATION HOUSES—THE POLICE TAKING LIBERTIES WITH THEM, Q. Have you ever geen any prostitutes in ‘that station hovse when they were not confined in cella? A. Yes; 1 have seen them brought in there a8 prisoners, and instead of being placed in the cells, they have been put up in the men’s sitting room, whilst respectable people who sought refuge as lodgers were placed in the cells; I have kaown prostitutes to be kept up stairs who have been brought in as prisoners. Q. Have you ever known of the men to frolic about a any of the postitures whilat in the station house? A, ves, sir. Q. Is it a common thing for prostitutes to visit these sta- tion bouses, and for the officers to parade around the room with them? A. Yes; it 1s a pretty common thing; for my Part I spoke to the captain about it, for I tuought it an out- rage. Q. Do you know of any reason why prostitutes have been treated in the station houses of your precinct better than reapectable people? A. I know of no reason why prostitutes should be treated better than other people, un- less parties desired to have connection with them; it scruck me that was the idea. @. Is it your opinion that any of the officers of that pre- cinct have had connection wiih prostitutes in the station house? A. Yes, sir. ). State the circumstances upon which you found that opinion? A. Well, sir, it was no later than last month that two were fetched in from Broadway for disorderly conduct, ‘and I saw the officers up stairs carrying on and using im: proper conduct; the moment came up stairs one of them 14, L want you to 29 Gown and behave yourself.”? Q. There wes an officer in the room with them—who was it? A. Well, sir, 1 cannot say what his name is, as he turned his back t me; the door was immediately shut and I could not eee, for betore I could get inside the door was shut; J just had got my head inside the door, and placed my arm in; I heard female voices inside, and saw them carrying on. Q. Is it your opinion from what you then saw that the officer had had connection with the female? A It led me to suppose that he was trying to, but I don’t suppose he had; I thought that was his object. COMYROMISE BETWEEN THE OLD FORCE AND TK NEW. Q. How long were you in the oid force? A. I think five or six years: 1 was located in the same precinct. Q. How does the conduct of the force at present in that precinct compare with th» old force whilst in the station house? A, Jt don’t compare at all; I can’t com pare it to anything more than hell to the church—that {4 ail Q. Have you ever witnessed such conduct as you hav: described in the old force? A. No, sir. &. Do you recollect the time when a number of men were brought into the station house of your precinct from a gambling house m Broadway? A. Yes, I heard that they were there, but I did not see them—John Frink and others. Q. Did you see any of the Police Commissioners at the station house that evening, or in its vicinity, or did you Lear that any one of them was there? A. I heard 80, ‘but 1 did not sec any of them. Q. Who did you hear was there? A. [heard that Gen. Nye was; I was in the station house and gome one said, «He will be bere soon; be is in the neigh borhood.’’ Q. Has there been profane ana insulting langaage used to you in the station house? A. Yes, sir; I was calied é—n of a b—b,” and one Peter Chivers said to me, Yol d—deon of a b—h! I will smack your mouth.” Q. Why did be say that? A. T came in with a prisoner charged with assault and battery, and I asked for a roundsman and went up etairs to wake him up; he came into the room and said } had no right w go into the room; I then went down stairs, and he called me all sorts of names. Q. Did you report bim to the commissioners? A. I re- ported him to Sergeant De Camp. Q. Was the case investigated before the commissioners, and did you prove these facts? A. I did, Q. What was done? A. Nothing. Q. When was that? A. I think about a year ago this summer; tt was gaid they would give me no gatisfaction, because I belonged to the old force. HOW THE SURGEONS RACKIVED THERR APPOINTMENT—PROVOSAL TO HRIBE A COMMISSIONER, Dr. Moreau Morris sworn, and examined by Mr. Spinola. Q. Where do you reside? A. In Righty-sixth street, Yorkville, between Third and Fourth avenues, Q. Were you an applicant for the office of surgeon to the Metropolitan police? A. I was at one time, but my application was not successful. Q. Had you any conversation with Mr. W. A. Dooley with respect to your appointment? A. Yes, sir, Q. What waa the nature of that conversation? A. Well, sir, Leaw him several times about it, agers | that he Would assist me in getting the appointment, and I suppose I may as well state tnat the main part of the conversation had reference to what influence I could bring, and what I would have to do to gain influence, what would have to be done, and what wae expected to be done, by tbe members of the commission. Q. What was expected to be done? A. He eaid that I money which was collected from parties? A. Not to my | could not get the appointment unless I nsed money. knowledge. Q. Did you understand gir; 1 bave been asked the Thave heard of it. Q. dow was it pot to you and who asked it? at such was the case’ A. No, uestion myself, and that is all A. I think St was Mr. Field, the Public Adminietrator, on atrial of ‘one of the men who was diemissed by Commissioner Still- man. Spinola—t is very strange, for a number of men sworn that they contributed money for that par- Captain Hartt—I never paid any one’s expenses; I paid my own, and always do; 1 may have borrowed money from eome of the men; I often do, and lend them money, @ Not asa permanent investment? A.) Q. Was there any money borrowed from any of the men to defray the expenses of the commissioners and captains to Albany last winter? A. Not that 1 know of, sir; 1 never borrowed any. Q. Is it your opinion from your experience in the police that the present organization is s harmonious and efficient one? A. Well, sir, I think it is hardly fair to ask a ‘man in the position of a subordinate to pass judgment on ‘bis superiors; I don’t wish to treat you with discourtesy, but I must submit, a8 | am a subordinate, it is not fair for me to say ought about it; you know these matters as well astdo; Id wish to be brought into a crucible if I speak one way 1 am one of their pets, and if I speak another way, why I may look out for thumper.’ Caughter.) Q. From your experience of the force, do you think Auat it is “too much connected with politics to be &n cficient organization? A. Well, that is the same Q. Did be say how mush money, and in what way it was to be used? A. This is a private matter between a gentleman and myself, but I euppose I will have to testify to it; I don’t like to break a man’s confidence, though. ‘The Chairman intimated that as the committee hada right to inquire into the particulars of the case, he hoped the Doctor would give all information. Fxamination resumed—Q. Just state the conversation as he related it to you? A. Well, a8 near as I can recollect, # was that it would be necessary to pay a certain sum—I think the sur was $150—for the purpose of securing the appointment; that the money was intended for one of the commiseioners, and not for Mr. Dooley himself. Q. Did he tell what commissiovuer was Ww receive the amount? A. Yes, sir, General Nye. Q. Had he more than oue conversation with you re- spocting the money? A. Yes, two or three: the first time ihe conversation took place there was no amount stated he stated that he would see what amount was necessary ; 1 was surprised to find that money was required, as I sup posed it required political influence more than money; the next time that I saw him be gaid that the eum had been figured down at $159; T told him that I could not aiford to give that money, as I had it not to give; he then said that it would not be requisite to give it unless I received the appointment: if I received it, then it would have to be pald—otherwise it would not. Q Did you haves conversation with General Nye with Tespect to the appointment subsequent to this conversa- tion with Mr. Dooley? A. Yer, sir, What did he say? A. Well, I cannot exactly state the words he used: 1 went to see the Generul with a friend, and I siated to him then what Dooley hud said, that it Would take that amount, or take some money, and I want- ‘thing precisely; I will tell you: J would like to #ee them Brort of half end half, if {t could be so, tn order to give Batis{action (0 ail. THR POLICE CATECHISR POLITICAL CANDIDATES. Mr, Samuel 8. Stewart, of 220 Adams street, Brooklyn, Eworn and examined by Str. Spinola:— Q. Were you a candidate for a seat in the Logisiature at porn election? A. Yes, wir; in the Fourth Assembly istrict. Q Were you called upon at any time during the can- ‘Vase by a committee of policemen? A. Yes, sir. Q. State, if you please, to the committee, the object for which they calied and what they si toyour AI Tay state that J acted with the American party and was aftirwards nominated by the republican party, and some aye after the ratification meeting. which waa held in the sical Hal}, ome four, possibly balf a dozen, policemen called upen ine at my Bouse; they aad that they under. Btood it I was oppored to the Metropolitan Police law, fund af it was a raatter of some im| yrtance to them they Ahought that they had a right to me tie question, be- nure that if I was they ehonid feel themselves bound to Oppoee me, and if I was not they should support mo. A. Yes, air; 9. Had thoy their upiforme on at ube tim fy full rig. Q What was your answer? A. 1 said: “Gontlemen, you wished me to fl) the position; 1 don’t want it, and | ‘will not accept 4 office from a people that would send oe 00 Albany with my hands, fort and conscience tied; if ‘ected I will make up my mind as to the morite o( how 1 don’t tol you I won't oppose it, or 1 ed to know if that was the fact—whether I would be obliged to pay; he eaid that it was no such thing, and that there wag no such understanding, that he would not re- ceive any money of the kind; he said that ho would do all that he could for me and for my friend, and seek to get the appointment. Q ‘was subsequently appointed? A, Weil, I don’i remember all the nares Q. Did Mr. Dooley represent himeelf ag very intimate with General Nye? A. Vee, he did, Q. Did he represent that he had’ great influence with him? A. Yee, sir. Q Has the intimacy between him and General Nye, to your knowledge, comtinued to the prevent time?” A. I don’t know whether he was intimate at that time or whe ther he is now, but his conversation would lead me to suppose that it was. @. You never saw Nye but once after you had the con- versation with Mr. Dooley about the money? A. I never epoke to him about the money but once, after { had the couvereation with General Nye I saw Dooley, and he was very angry about it, eaid that I had injared him, and 40 On; he fald the same—that I had charged him with re- ceiving the money or wanted to receive it; I told him that I could not help that; that I wanted t» kuow where the money would go; Uiat if General Nye was to have \t when I got the appointment ¥ would be entiefied, and that I | wanted to ascertain whetlicr Genoral Nye was to receive | thor not @ Did Mr, Dovley in lis last conversation state to you | that Genoral Nye was to receive it? A, Well, he intimated | that be was—that it was for General Nye entirely; when he found out that i bad told General Nye he said that be | would do all he could to injure me and prevent me get- upg the appointment, aud I suppose that he did, Q. Did Dooley state, in conversing with you, that Gen. | Nye bad told him of what you raid? A, No; I iw | woste be Onn it out; I don’t think that he saw General | Nye at all | Q. Did Mr, Dooley tell you that this money was for the | purpose of securipg the ‘appointment? A, Yes, he gave Me to understand so? Q. Did be give you to understand that the other eandi- ates who were ‘appointed would pay similar amounts? A. Yes; that was the general idea that he conveyed, that ali bad todo so, but he did pot name any particular person; bo seemed to express the idea tome that he was 80 intimate with Gen. Nye that the matter was understood between them. Iknew that be was trying tw get Mr. Ives appointed, and that the matter lay between Mr. Ives and me. 1 had testimonials from the highest medica! au- thorities which could not be excelled—from surgeons and physicians of all the hospitais in the city, who were per- fopully acquaoted with me, and under whom I had serv- ed, ey bave retained my testimonials yet at the com- missioners’ office. Q. What is the general opinion among the medical facul- ty with respect to Dr. Ives, as to his qualifications tor the position he holds? Witness (hesitating)—Well, he is not jooked upon as a physician ofany high standing, and no- thing of a surgeon. I don’t suppose that he pretends wo any surgery. AN OFVICER VIOLATING A FEMALE V'RISONER IN THE STATION HOUSE. in frat F. B. Shaw sworn, and examined by Mr. Spinola a: foliows:— Q. Where do you reside? A. Corner of Court and Sack- ett streets, Brooklyn, Q. Were you formerly alderman in the Brooklyn corpo- ration? A. sir. Q. Was there a complaint made to you, whilst you wer alderman of the Tenth ward, against in Cross, for baving bad connection with a female in one of the cells of thestation house of the Third precinct, in Brooklyn? A. No, not a complaint, Q. Did you understand that Captain Cross bad connec. tion with a female in one of the cells of the station house, and did you investigate the case? A. I did. Q. What was the result? A, Tho result of the investi. gation was that Mr, Preston had had connection with a gir! in ong of the cells; the girl's name was Oatherine Fridell, of 77 Baltic street, Brooklyn: I was first informed that Mr. Cross had connection with her, and resolved to investigate the matter, and if he was guilty I would expore him. I determined to down to the station house the next morning, and see how he would act towards the girl; I went down and found that be did in- terest himself for the girl; he said that she had a sick mother, and I afterwards found what be had stated was true; a day or two’after, I spoke to officer Wilson and in- formed him that I would like bim togee the girl and get out of her the facts; he said that he would dogo, and at the same time told me that he did not believe that Crogs was guilty; that he knew that Preston was in the cell and that Cross was not; Wilson went down and saw the girl, and she told bim that it was true that a man had connection with her in the ceil, but thought it was not Crores, but Preston, and that he bad attempted it before, under the stoop; TL afterwards saw the girl myself, and had a private conversation with ber in respect to the matter; she said that what she bad told Wilson was true—that Preston carne down that evening early, and attempted to put his hands under her clothes, and that she then resisted and attempted to expose hii the then left, but came down again ome time during the evening, and that at that time she bad fallen asleep, and that when she awoke she found him attempting violence to ber; she also stated to me that she knew the party, and that she would make an affidavit at any time; I got an affidavit from the girl, covering the whole facts, as my object was to get at tho truth. Q. Subsequently to ber baving made that affidavit did you call ou ber in company with the Deputy Superinten- vee of the Brooklyn force, Mr.Preston ,and Captain Cross? A. Yes. Q. Did she deny at that interview the truth of the affl- davitshe had made previously? A. Well, she did not in fact; she suid that she bad forgotten everything that bad oceurred that evening—that she did not know what oc: curred; Mr. Cross said to her, ‘Catharine, has Mr. Pres- ton been in to day to see you?” She said, “That man?—is: Wat Mr. Preston? No,” She said it laughing at the time; on several occasions after that the girl tokl me that the ailidavit she bad made was true; she also told me that the officers had prepared an affidavit and submitted it to her, and that she refused to sign it; she also said that Preston aad called upon ber previous to our visit, and told her it would ruin bim and his family, and tbat even he shed tears about it, and that she was induced to make the statement from his calling on her. Q. Were you in the habit of visiting the station house? A. Yes, almost every day. Q. What was Mr. Preeton’s general conduct? was it ofiicer-iike, gentlemanly and courteous? A, I never thought £0. Q. Wag he in the habit of using profane language in the station house? A. Very profane, and, as I thought, very improper language; he bas used it to me personaily. THE DEUNQUENT PUNISHED BY REMOVAL TO THR FIVE POINTS. Q. Hac you a conversation with Commissioner Strana- han and Mr. Basbrook, clerk in the Broome street office, with respect to Preston? A. With Mr. Hasbrook I bad frequently..and detailed to him all theee matters. Q. What did ne say? A, Well, I cannot tell you all the conversation We had: be tei «mo that Preston was & bad fellow, and on one occasion, when We Were speoniug of the changes which the Metropolitan Police contemplated making in that district of discharging a certain number of meu and appointing others in their piace, he said You know McClean won’t come to the scratch, and we don’t want to meadle with Preston, for we can use him;’ and he repeatedly said to me that he knew he was a Dad fel- low, and that they had got him in just the place that was fit for him—down about the Five Points. Q. Had you ever a conversation with Commissioner Stranaban with respect to Preston? A. My impression is that J bad, and that I detailed all the facts of the case to him, and I think he said, ‘Well, make the charges;” I did so, and gave them to Mr. Cross, and he put it in his pocket, and I was continually urging him to present it, and I think recently he bas done so. Q. Has Preston told you, at any time, where the girl Fridell w A. Yes; he told me tat be saw her the otber day; that he was going to get an affidavit from Ree, Q. Bas Preston told you that she was in a house of prostitution at any time? A. He told me that she wasa prostitute now; tliat she never married the man she was living with; that be could get proof enough that she was a prostitute, and had been. Q. After your jearning the house ia which the interview took place between the gir! Fridell, you, Preston and Cross, did Preston acknowledge he bad seen the giri that day, previous to your having called upon her? A, Yes; be said that he had a conversation with her, and he was present when the girl denied that she had seen him, HOW A VICKPOCKET WAS ALLOWED TO RSCAPR. James Keenan, of Underhill avenue, Brooklyn, was ext examined, and testified us follows: Q. Was there a larceny committed upon your person by a pickpocket at any time? A. Y Q. Pleage atate the circumstaace? A. I went to a circus in Fulton avenue one evening, and as I was going through the crowd tothe ticket box aman put his hand in my pocket and pulled out my pocketbook; I caught him and pulled bim out of the crowd, when aman named Higgins said that I had better give him the man in charge, as he was an officer; T went with him to the Fourth district sta- tion house and preferred the charge against him; I was desired to call at nine o'clock the folowing morning, and when I went all the prisoners were brovglit up except this man; whilst J was there two women came in and Higgins went out with them; I asked Higgins if they were any re- Jation of the man I had charged, and be said “No; I then Jeft the station house and met the women in Clinton avenue, and one said that she was the wife of the party I hed charged, and the other his sister; there must have been something wrong, ag that was the last I heard of it. WHERE THE MEMERRS OF THE FORCE ENJOY THEMSELVES. Thomas Hapenny, of 62 Spring street, New York, exam- ined by Mr. Spinola: Q. Were you in the old force? A. Yes, sir; 1 was door- snan iu the Fourteenth precinct station house. Q. Are there any ten in the present police in the Four- teenth precmct who were locked up in the cells as prison- ers at the time you were doorman? A. Yes, sir;twoof them there were locked up more than once; there is another fellow there, @ reguiar thief, who lives out of these wo- meb. Q. Have you an opportunity of seeing what goes on in the station bon A. Yes, Tecan see over there from my house, they have these dandy girls up there; they live with them Tound in Elm street; they are with them all the time; there is one of the patro!men there at the present Ume, and I was (oid that he was raiged upon the Points, and lived out of the girls. Q. Have you seen prostitutes in the station house with the men? A, I could not xee them very plainly; 1 saw the men elbow. Q. Have you ever seen any of the members of the po- lies foree drunk about the station house? A, Yes:1 have seen one fellow craWi along half an hour after the watch came in one morning, and he fell down near the door; the doorman came out and took bim in, and he remained there until twelve o’clock the next day. Q. Je it a common thing to see them about liquor stores? A Tey ‘Are in rom shops all the time, from oue corner to another. THE MEN'S PAY STOLEN OCT OF THE STATION HOUSES. Parpard L. Phillipe, patrolman of the Fourteenth pre- cinct, examined, and testified as follows (2. Bave you ever bad your pay or any of your property stolen from you in the wtasion house? A. ‘Twere was pay mine or not; [ was sick ent round for my pay about two days after; the ant bad locked it up in a drawer, and when J called for it (t was gone. ( Did you ever get it? A. Yes, air. (Q. Who gave ito you? A. 1 was paid by instalments; the sergeant paid me the most part of it out of his own ree ‘ket, but I believe there was 4 sum of $20 made up by the men, (. Did the sergeant teil you that he pid it out of his own pocket Yes: he was responsible, for he toor the \iberty of signing may name to the pay roll; be said he Waa responsible for the pay (2 What exeuse did be make for its loss? A. He opened the drawer and gearched for it, but could not fad it. Q. Hew much aid it amount to, A. $67 95. (Hae there ever been any other robberies in the sta tion house? A. T understand there was another pay loa since that. 7 think that Mr. Ferguson's pay Was 108t. . What were the circumstances connected with this Just case? A. The man, I believe, was not there at the regular hour sthe money was all tied up in small parcels, ‘with each man’s vame on the top, and when Mr. Fergu- fon came in for bie pay they could not find his money. Q. Lo you know of any other property being lost in the station house besides that? A. The men complained of haying lort things. jh. Alxapder Ferguson, of the Fourteenth precinct, ex- amined by Mr. Spincli—Q. Did you ever lowe your pay? A. | did, sir; Tdid not love it, however, but I anderstand it was lost. q. Do you think it was stolen? A. That was the gene- ra opinion that it was, 2 When was that? A. The first of the progent month; it amounted to $65 75. 2. Did the sergeant in charge state to you that he be- Hoved that the money was stolen? A, Well, he said as much as that it was stolen, but he and others made it up tome; be gave me his note at sixty days for $46, and the balance, $20, In cash, the following any. MISHENGERA’ «AND DETECTIVES’ §=oNKOTE VALIANT POLICEMAN #OPTRNS DOWN, Thomas Dusenbury, being sworn and cxantned, atated that be was connected with the Metropolitan Police foree e the 11th of July last, but that he bad also served ju the old force for some time. DUTIES — A ‘and refased to answer before the Q. What business do you AT you perform? am a mes- senger and ive. Q. What do you mean by a messenger? A, I take notes in cifferent places, and go to Brooklyn. Q. From whom do you take notes? A, From the Com- perform any other duties besides those you missioners. Q. Do yo have pamed? A. No, Q. On an average, bow many notes do you take cach cay? A. Lhave wo go to Brooklyn, and I take three or four notes there; I also go to the Post Office and take lettei Q. Do you take the three or four notes all atone timo? A. T have to go from there to New York, Q. Do fe goevery day? A. I think there is a mes- senacr who goes sometimes. Q How week; last week I was there partly every day. Q. Could you pot bring the return messages on your return home? A, Yes. Q. Then there is no necessity for two messengers to bringing the messages Q. What duties do you perform as a detective? A. Ar- reeting thieves and pickpockets in Broadway, and attend- the Sate Q. Have you made any arrests for larceny? A. For visit Brooklyn for the purpose overt A. No, gir. ing the theatres. Q. In that capacity have you ever arrested a a Xe, and he was sentenced te two years » prison, Q. How many? A. Only one burglar, petty larceny, Q. Have you never made any arrests for grand lar: Z A. No, never for grand Tareeny’, excepe ahoprlifters, and go Q. What bas been the result? A. They have been sont to the Penitontiary. He a . How many arr ve you larceny? A. I have not kept an account, but I think about five or six; that was under the old force. Mr. S.—I am speaking of the present not want you to go beyond. Have you made any arrests where the parties have been Q. Are you familiar with the rules for the government under the ‘irs wey Police convicted? A. No. of the force? A. Yes. Q. Are you in the habit of visiting the various sections of the city at all times of the day? A. Yes. Q. Have in passing through the city, ever noticed policemen Meqtenting places where liquors. are kept and them, but not sold? A. I have seen policemen have gone in myself. without their uniform? A. I bave. Q. Have you ever seen them drink in those places? A. I bave seen them drink and have drank there myself. Q. Do you think your duty called you there for that pur- pose? ALN OF Q. In reference to these drinks of which you have yo. Juntarily spoken, did you know that in 80 acting you were violating the fourth rule of the Department? A. I ‘was not on duty. Q. That is not the question. were violating the regulations? A. Yes, I did know it. Q. What excuse could you make to yourself for violat- ing the rules? A. The reason is I did not feel well, and took it for medicine. Q. Have you ever visited those placcs for avy other thun mediciial purposes? A. Always for medicinal pur- pores, a8 I don’t drink much. Q. How often have you beon compelled to take this me- dicine? A, Not very often Q. Have you ever seen any of the officers of the force in public houses? A. Yes. Q. Have you e A. Thave seen ty. or three policemen go in and pass on. Q. While on duty? A. Ishould say not, for they would not wear their shields. Q. I confined my last question to officers, such as cap- tains, sergeants and go on? A. I have seen a sergeant. Q. Have you any distinct duties assigned you as a policeman in the city? A. In the office. Q. How much time a day would it take for those duties? A. in the morning I go to the Post Office at haif-past eight o’clock and bring the mails up; I am there from that time till evening. Q. [do not ask how long you are there; I ask how much time a day it would take to perform your specific duties? A. It takes three hours to go to Brooklyn and come back. Q. Have you Mr. Stoutenburgh and Mr, Wilson to assist you in these messages? A. Sometimes. Q. Are the duties of Stoutenburgh of a very arduous nature? A. Not very. Ro You consider them all very light? A. Sometimes they are. Q. Are the letters of the mail to which you refer all of an official nature? A. I believe so, Q. How many letters do you generally receive? A. Sometimes ten or twelve. Q. To whom are they generally directed? A. The Chief of Police and officers. Q. What do you doin the office when there? A. I act as doorman and direct people coming in. Q. Are there avy others who perform these duties of doormen? A. Yes, Stoutenburgh and others. Q. Does it ever happen that they are all out? A. Yes. Q. Do yon consider yourself an attaché of the Clerk’s office? A. Ido; I perform the duties of messenger there. Q. What pay’do you receive? A. $800 a year. Q. Who certifies to your account? A. Captain Campbell, of the Seventh ward. & Vo you get fall pas? A. Yes. Q. Are any deductions ever made? A. No. Q. Have you ever been sick? A, Yes—three days. Q. Did the surgeon cail on you? A. Yes. Q. What was the nature of your sickness? A. Weak- ness in the back. Q. Have you arrested many pickpockets? A. Not a great many; gome of them were discharged. Q. How did you know they were pickpockets? A. We have their port in the gallery. Q. Woula t fact justify you in arresting them? A. Yes, except they reform. Q. Wheuever a thief or pickpocket comes and says ho is reformed, you do not think it then necessary to arrest him? A. Except he is found hanging around piaces, Q. Were you at a recent review of the police? A, I ‘was; it was on the 21st of May. Q. Were you at the headquarters of the Metropolitan Police all that day? A. Iwas, Q Was there any entertainment served up on that oc- casion? A. I believe there was a collation. Q. Do you know the name of the person who provided it? A, Dexter, Q. Did you see any liquor there on that occasion? A, I saw some champagne. Q. Ind you see any other liquor? A. I can’t say if there was any brandy. Q. Was there any punch? A. I cannot say. . Were there any of the officers of the force and com- sioners there? A. Yes. Q. Was the Governor there? A. Yes. &. Were there any of them who drank too much for their Leuhe A. I did not see any of them out of the way at all, ne Did younot see anything out of the way atall? A. 0. _Q. Ido not mean if they were positively drank, but simply if they drank too much? A, I do not think’ they diay mi Q. Have you ever heard any of the members of the forco use coarse, vulgar and ‘mproper language to each other? A. Yee. Alangon S. Spinola, ison being sworn, was examined by Mr. The witness was at first somewhat refractory, irman alone, but on Mr. Spinola convincing him of his authority, he after- wards submitted. He stated that he had been a resident of New York for wight or nine years; that he was a native of Queens county, Long Island, and that he was a regular detailed police ofticer, Q. What duties do you perform as a policeman? A. I do anything; when Iam gone out on duty another man stays tp the office and does duty. Q. What oitice do you allude to? A. The office on the corner of Broome and Elm streets; there are wo of us. Q. Who is the other? A. Dusenbury. Q. Do you perform any special or specific duties in the chicf clerk's office? A. My duty is to go to Brooklyn every day, to go to the Post Office twice a day, to carry out sub; copas, and to go to the bank. Q. Whatdo you goto the bank for? A. I go for the chief clerk. Q. In relation to the business of the office? A, To draw and deposit money for Mr. Bowen. Q. How often do you go? A. Whenever he pay Q. bo you go two or three times a week? Q. How often do you go? A. Two or three times a mouth to Brooklyn and New York. Q. When were you in Brooklyn last? A. The day before yesterday. Q. Wher jast previous to that? A. The day before that. Q. How many hours day, on an average, would it take to perform all the spe duties you in the Oflioe of the chief cierk? A. Sometimes it takes me all day, and J have to take letters, HORSES O¥ THE MOUNTED POLICE KBIT BY GENERAL NYE'S BROTHER. Q. Do you know where they are kept? A. Yes; at 125th street und Fighth avenue. Q. The first time you saw these horses, were they in the stable alluded. to? A. No, sir; they were in my brother’s stables, but there was no room there for them, and they were only kept there a few days. Q. How long were they kept there? A, Not more than 4 week or two—not a month. Q. Do you know who keeps the stable where the horses are now kept? A. Yes; Thomas Nye is the person. @ Who paid your brother for the time he kept the horses? A. Nye did. Q, Are you acquainted with Nye? A. Yea. Q. Is he any relation of Jas. W. Nye, the Police Com- missioner? A. He cails him brother. Q. How many horees are there? A. Nine, «. io you know who bought these horses? A. I believe it was Thos. Nye. Q. Did you ever hear Thos. Nye say he purchased th . Yes. ‘The witnees then went on to state the circumstances under which Mr. Kellogh came to get the supplying of thu sheets and halters for the use of the mounted police, Stawing an undue partiality on the part of the Police Commissioners, and especially of General Nye, there being & strong eugpicion that Keliogh had to pay a commission for the priviage of doing the work. He farther stated that Thos, Nye=the brother of the General—bad built his ‘stables for the oxPrgg purpose of keeping the horses of the department; that me got $18 per head per month for this service. Witness coult pot answer a question whether the fund derived from stabi nine horses at $18 each per mont) could be sufficient * man to live. He has seen privates, captains and sergeants 6 the force in pub. hic houses whore intoxicating liquors aro wold, but could not name them nor say what took them thera, Ho had not obtained the permiasion of the General Superimendont to goto Syracua, althongh #0 obliged by the fourteen rule of the department, but bad satisfled himsolf with teli- ing the Chief Clerk that he wanted to go, The witness was hore exceedingly cautious, and appeared particularly anxious to avoid the close questioning of Mr. Spinola. Q. Were there any other members of the force at Syra- cure? A. Taw two men there. Q. What are their names? A. 1 do not wish to anawor. A Did you see Soutenburgh there? A. (heaitatingly) rest, Bit. Q Did you see Dr, Ives there? A. I did, sir. Q. Is he connected with the department? A. He is the physician, Q. Did you see any others there? A, I saw Captain Coulter, of the Twonty second precinct, and Capt, Silvey, of the First precinct, Q. Were there the only men of tho force present there that you knew? A. No, #ir; there was another, a #er- Geant of the Nineteeath ward, named Geo, B, Yan Brunt, off. io. do you go? A. [have not beed often this it should m there with their uniform on? 'Q. Have you ever seen them about the barroom with or I ask if you knew you seen them indulge in drinking there? Q. Did you see Hasbrook there? A. Yes; and I thought he was somewhat active. Q Any others? A. I do notrecoliect any otbers. Witness then stated that he bad on several occasions supplied carriages for detectives going after thieves, by order of the Deputy Superintendent; he bad sold out his stables to bis brother; there were uo books to show re- ceipts nor expenditure kept in the stables; the drivers were paid without receipts, and hig brother trusted to the honesty of his feed man to keep strict accounts. With reference to valuable presents beiug made to officers aud others by the police, witness stated that a gold shield had been presented to Mr. Tallmadge, and a gold watch to a lawyer named Macomber, who was often at beadquariers. testimony of Ira Dubois showed that he is a patrol- man, detailed in the Clerk’s office, and is in charge of & book called the “Complaint Kegister,”” the ‘“ Rovbery Book,” and performing ca Miscellaneous copying or ‘writing given him to do, ¢ examination weut to Flow that the books were all nearly blank, there being but half adozen entries or so. Witness never did I duty, and was in the force since June, 1857. Ho re ceived the poy of a patrolman. ‘The books kept 3 the Treasurer of the Police Department consisted of a cash book, ledger, journal and receipt ook, but a separate account was not kept for each member of the force. rest of the tostimony of this wituess is unim- portant. 4 POLICE COMMISSIONER'S FAMILY ACOOMMODATED AT THK PURLIC BXPENBE. Joby W. Wilson being sworn, and puton his examina- tion by Dir, Spinola, deposed that he was a livery stable keeper, residing at 157 West Twenty-cighth street. He bad supplied carriages for the use of the Police Depart- ment on the order of Messrs. Carpenter, Tallmadge, Nye and Cholwell. Q. Did you keep any account or memorandum by which | you could state the amount of your charges? A. Nothing, — except a little book. | Q. Cap you remember how much the bills amounted | to? A. Not over $25 per month; Generai Nye generally ordered carriages to go round to the station witness could not say if he did 80 every time; he drove General Nye ove day when his wite aud daughter wore in | the carriage; the General’s own horses were put in, aud the account was charged to bim personally. Q. Did you or any of your drivers ever drive General Nye when his family were in tbe carriage when the bill was charged against the Metropolitan Police? A. I could Bot say. Q. Is there any one that shares with you the profits of your stable? A. No, gir. Q. Is the entire profit arising from this stable your own? A. Yes, sir. Q. Do og divide with your brother any portion of the profits of this stable? A. No, sir, not now. Q. Have you any understanding, direct or indirect, by which he is to receive a portion of the profits hereafter? A. No sir: 1boughtthe stable from him three or four montbs ago; I bad no cash to pay, but gave him three notes for it; the notes were to run fifteen months, and the first one was not yet due, Q. How often does your brother visit the stable? A, Sometimes in the morning and at night; sometimes three or four times a day. Q. Docs he ever give directions for the management of the stable? A. I ask bim to stay there sometimes, when I 4am going out. Q. Does General Nye’s private carriage hire amount to a great deal per mouth? A, No. He has paid me at oue time from $10 to $15, more or Ices. Q. Now, sir, have you ever driven General Nye your- eelf, when you have charged the bire to the police ac- count? A. No; T have only driven him about twice. Q. How often bave you driven him, to the best of your knowledge? A. I cannot say exactly. Q. Have you driven him twenty-five times? A. Yes, i Q. Ahundred? A. I might and I might not. The rest of the evidence of this wituess went to show that there was some sort of bookkeeping in the stale, and that Policeman Wilson had more to do With the business than he was pleased to confers. Q. That does not answer the question. Task how many hours a day would it ‘A. T can’t say exactly; some- times more than at others. Q. What upon an average? A. Seven or eight hours, to the best of my knowledge. Q. Are you also classed as one of the detective officers? A. [do not know of avy rule, but I feel on duty at all times. Q Have you ever done patrol duty? A. Yes. Q. Who certifies to your account for you to draw your pay? A. Captuin Curry, of the Twentieth ward. Q. Does Captain Curry certify to the time you make? A. Lexpect he does. Q. Have you continued to draw full pay since your ap- pointment? A. I believe I have. Q. Have you been absent from the city since your ap- pointment? A. I have not been out four days tomy knowledge, except on Sundays, in two years; Ihave not been sick for two days. Q. Were you at Syracuge this summer? A. Yes; I had businers in Syracuse, Q. Business of the police force? A. No. Q. Were you there while there was a republican con- vention? A. Yes, gir. Q. Did you go thore for the purpose of being present at that convention? A. Lhad business there, and put it off until then, Q. Would you have gone there at that time if it had not been for the convention? A. I could not say positively; _I don’t see what cifference it would make, Q. Was it not for the reagon of the convention more than anything else? A. I don’t know if I would have gone if it were not for the convention; any other titae ‘would have done as well. ‘ Q. Are you a member of any club, socicty’ or organiza- Yon in any part of your ward? A. My name may be on the republican club, but 20 ward committee, or anything of that kind; my name was there before I was in the po- lice, ana is in the books yet, I believe. When did you last attend a meeting of the Republi- S tarot the Twentieth wara, in which you reside? A. et night. Did you attend any meeting of that or any other club previous to last night? “A. [have. Q. Did you take apy part in the meeting? A. Yes, Q. Did You vor . 1 did. Q. If there had been two tickets would you have taken y part? A. if there was a fight or quarrel 1 would not, Q. Are you well acquainted with the policemen of the Twentieth ward? A. Some of them. Q. Have you ever seen any policemen at these conven- tions? A. I do not recollect. @. Did you see any jast night? A. Yes, in uniform. Q. What were they doing? A. Keeping order. Q. Were they there preserving the peace? A. I believe o: I don’t know if they were there for any other purpose. Q. In your capacity as @ citizen or otherwise, have you ever contributed or made donations for any party? A. To the church. Q. That was a very good cause; what church? A, The Thirtieth street church. Q. Is that the only case where you have contributed or uated money or Valuables for any person A. I am al- ways willing to give to the poor, but I don’t remember ever giving $1 or 60 centa to any one. Q. Have you ever contributed anything for the relief of the ollicers of the department? A. I don’t recollect that I ever did, except the poor, . A SUDSCKIPTION FOR D. D. CONOVER. Q. Have you never gigned auy subscription list of any kina? A. Yes, on one occasion. Q. Who was the party? A. Mr, John FE. Gridley. «, For.whatamount? A. $25. Q, Is hein the department? A. No. Q. What was itfor? A. For D. D, Conover, who was formerly Street Commissioner. he 0 called on you for the subscription? A, Mr. Gridley. Q, What statement did Mr. Gridley make to induce you to subscribe? A, Mr. Conover was a lawyer and « friend f mine. Q. What was Mr. Gridley’s statement? A. He said be bad a jaw suit, and asked me what [ would Q. What is Gridley’s businees? A. He has and is a builder. Q. De you know from your own knowledge, or did you hear, that any others bad subscribed? A. I Heard so, but not Know irom my own knowledge. Q, Did you ever see Gridiey at headquarters, asking for eubecriptiont? A. No. Q. Have you, ag a citizen or otherwise, subscribed any «ther sum for any purpose? A. This is ail,to my know- lodge. Q. Have you never subecribed for anything like that for ® present to the captain or officers? A. I do not recoliect anything of that kind; I can’t say exactly what time I subscribed for Conover. THR LIVERY STABLE NUSINRSS—A SFRIEY OF PRETTY TOUGH QUESTIONS, IN WHICH THE WITNESS SHOWS AN INCLINATION TO FLINCH. Q. Are you engaged or interested, directly or indirect- ly, or in any way, with any other business besides that of «policeman? A. Lam engaged ina business, so far as pea aay invested; my brother has a stable and I keep the book . What business were youin before the police? A. I was employed on the Hudeon Railroad. . De you derive any portion of the profits ai of the stable referred to? A. My brother pays me 3 0. coal yard ing out share. Q. What portion of the net profits do you receive? A. When I wag on the railroad he got a half and I the other, Q. Doyou realize any portion of the profits at the pre. rent time? A, Yes, sit; he gives me a share, 4. Do you take horses on livery atthe stables? A, Yor, Q. About bow many horses do you provide for? I can. not gay. Q Wiven were you last there? A. This morning. Q. How often were you there? A. Night and morning; T live in the neighborhood, Q. Do you ever give any orders about the managoment while youare there? A, Not if my brother {s in; when be # vot, ifanybody comes in, I give directions; I keep a liorse and wagon there for my own use. Q. At what time do you use your horse and buggy? A. Only at night. Q. vo you ride ont at night for pleasure? A. My wife is sickly and J take her out in the evenings, Q What time do you generaily start? A. At five or s o'clock —sometimes a little earlier, Q. Is this horge of yours rather fast? A, Yes. Q. How fast do you think she is? A, She hag beaten horees called fast. Q. Have you many brushes on the road? A, When I sce fast horses I drive her, Q. What direction do you take during these summer rides? A. T take the road over Harlem Bridgo, and come across the Bloomingdale Road. Q. Have you any idea how many horses could be a commodated in the stables you have alluded to? A. Six- teen or seventeen, hack horges and ail. Q. Do you keep carriages to hack in these stables ? ALY es. ). How many? A. Five. ¢ Is the dey 3 ‘tment in the habit of hiring carriages at this etable? A. Sometimes they have. Q. What do the bills at this suible nkninst the depart. ment amount to on an average? A. I could not say; but T don’t think It Is $26. a you any means of tolling how much tbe depart- ment ea paid for the use of carriages from its organization to rhe mi time? A. No, Q. Would the hooks of tho stable show? A. No. N Q. How do they make out the bile? A. T make ont tho billie; my brother teq no | , tf! A penal a tala and only has a littie A. S expect he has it in bis Q. Where is that book? ig yh 7 pocket, a t the only book ia which tv ac ok A, T don’t know any othor, caawneepesilaai Q. How often have the commissioners settled for car- ringes? A. T could not ray? Q You have made out the bills, yon aay? A. Yeo, alr. @ How often do you make them out? A. Rvery month. Q Who bas generally issued ordors for carriages? A, houses, but | do. fm Deputy Superintendent, and sometimes the commig. tioners. Q. Which of the commissioners generally gave orders? A. General Nye. Q. How often has General Nye ordered carriages? A, Very seldom, Q. How often the other commissioners? A. Seldom, Q. Has Mr, Stranahun ever ordered a carriage from your 6lable? A. Not to my knowledge, Q Bag Mr. Bowen, a8 a commissioner, ever ordered & carriage from your stable? A, Loan't say that he has, Q. Uo you recollect any others besides General Nye? A. Mr. Bower has, bir, Draper bas—nearly all of them. Q. For what’ purpose are these carriages generally ordered’ A, Genera! Nye bas ordered them for visiting station houses. Q. Any other business? A, I can’t gay; 1 never went with them. Q. Have you never heard from the drivers? A. I never asked and never heard from them, Q. Have you ever beard from the drivers that the family of the General bas come down town in vhe car- riages? A. Ihave heard that the General's family has come down town with him, Q. Have the drivers eaid that this was a general thing? A. No, except they wanted to go shopping, Q. Did you ever, as an agent of the commissioners, pur- chase any horses for the department? A. No, Q. Do you know that the department owns any horses for the mounted police? 4. Yes. THR BROOME STREMT OVFICE—OFFICRRS DETAILXD AS CLRRKS AND REORIVING PATROIMEN'S PAY, WHOSE DUTIRS (?) COULD BE PRUFORMKD BY KOYS—CARRIAGE HIRE FOR THE DEPART MENT—TO WIIOD THE BILLS ARE PAID. Cornelius Allison, one of the clerks in tho Broome street office, sworn and examined by Sevator Spinola. After tes- lying aa to his duties in the office, which are rather onerous aud which occupied his whole time, Mr. Allisom was questioned as tohow the clerks spent their time during office hours, and replied as follows:— Q, Do you know Mr. J. B. Nott, one of the clerks? A. I Q. In your oyfinion are his duties ip the office of a la borious character? A. Not very. Q. Do you consider Mr. Nott a faithful, energotic clerk ne department? A. Well, sir, I should not like to pass judgment. Q. How often is Mr. Nott absent from the office? A. He is often absent. Q. How much time does he spend there daily? A. Pro- bably two or three hours. Q, Is he away entirely some days? A. Yes. Q. Do you know what his specifle duties are? A. IT really cannot say; I believe he attends in some way to furnish- ing the requisitions for supplies, &&. * Q. From what you kuow of that occupation—of register- ing the supplies and repairs—how much time would it take daily? A. Iguess an hour would probably cover it, per- haps two. Q. You know Mr. Hasbrook? A. Yes. Q. Is he an attentive clerk to his dutics, and when he is in the office is his time ull oceupied? A. Well, not always, Q. When did you lust see Mr. Hasbrook in the office? A. ‘Three or tour days roy Q. What time io day was he there? A. About the middle of the day; he usually comes in late aud remains a couple of hours, sometimes more, Q. Do fc know why he has been absent for the last three or four days? A. Only from what they say, that he has goue to Syracuse, Q. Have you ever beard him talking politics in the office? A. No, I think not; they do not allow politics to be discussed there; Mr. iimbree does not permit it, Q. Is it considered that the clerks in this office are members of the department—do they come under the head of attaches of the department? A. I think they de, according to the rules and regulations. Q. Mr. Hasbrook, as much as anybody else? A. Yes. Q. From what you have known and seen of Me. Has- brock, would you say he is a politician? A. Well, yes; he is ratber active iu tat line. Q. Baye you, in your capacity as clerk, audited bills for carriage hiret ' A. Q. In whose favor were these bills? A. Alanson Wilson. Q. Where docs he keep his stable? A. I think in ‘Twenty-fifth treet, Q. Near General Nye? A, General Nye lives, I think, in Thirticth street, near Sixth avenue, on the west side: Wilson's stable is not lar from General Nye%s house. Q. Does the bill show by whom the carriages were or- ed, and for what purpose? A. No; Wilson himself cam tell that. Q. Is Mr. Wilson a patrolman in the department? Yes. . Does be perform pairol duty? A. No, he does not; he is detailed to the office; he is a messenger, and goe over to Brooklyn with documents and on business; he re+ ceives a patroimau’s pay. Q. Is be engaged in the livery business? A. I think 80; I know his brother is. Q. In whose names are these bills made out? A. I think they were in his name. Q. Has the department recently purchased horses for the mounted police? A. I understand nine horses bave been purchased. Q. Do you know where these horses are kept? A. Ia the Twelfth ward. Q. What did they cost? A. I understand $150 each, Q. Is that branch of the department, the mounted po- lice, in operation row? A. Really, I cannot tell. Q. How many pairoimen are there detailed to the chief clerk’s office? “A. I think Mr. Dubois, Mr. Griswold, A. 8. Wilson, Mr. Dusenbury and Mr. Stoutenburgh. Q. Have you any knowledge as to what Mr. Stouten- burgh’s duties are? A. He conveys messages and doos errands for the commissioners. Q. Have you ever seen him with the police uniform on? A. Weil, sir, I don’s think lever have. Have you ever secn Wilson in autor? A. No. Q. Mr. Dubois or Griswold? A. No, sir. Q. How many hours a day does Mr. Gonge spend in the office? A. Probably four or five hours a day. Q. Is he ever away for two or three days at atime? A. T don’t think he is very frequently away. Q. What specific duties does Wilson pertorm? A. Well, they are rather light; I would prefer that somo one elso should answer this question. Q. Mr. Allison, does Mr. Wilson perform any duties in this office that could not be performed by an intelligent boy? A. No. Q. Do you think there is any real nocessity for Mr Wil- son? Witness (after a pause)—Well, I don’t think there is, but I cannot really say go. Mr. Spinola—W this was a private business of your owa would you pay Mr. Wilson the amount of his yearly salary for the duties he Ng A. Well, sir, I think 1 could digpenge with Mr, Wilson's services, Q. Could you dispense with the services of any other attaché of this office? A. Ithink there might be a little reduction made; I know there could if a mau had to pay the expense out of his pocket, Q. How many hours a day docs Mr. Stoutenburgh spend in the oflice? A. He is there all the time. Q. Is he employed all the time? A. No, sir. Q. How much time does he absolutely «devote to the da- ties assigned bim? A. I should suppose three or four hours & cay Would perform his duties. Q. Does be perform any duties other than those which could be as well performed by a boy? A. No, sir; he is simply a messenger around. Q. He and Wilson, then, perform the same class of du- ties? A. Yes. Q. Do you know a Mr. Petty? A. Yes; he was appoint- ed, I think, about eight months ago. . During that time what capacities has he flied? A. He used to go round the diflerent precincts and make a re- port of the officers who were negligent, talking to citizena and not discharging their duties; he made a reoort every day; after that he was detailed from day duty, and soom after was appointed a sergeant. Q. Ih your judginent was such an officer necessary? A. In my opinion he was not, but in the opinion of others he was. Q, Were the reports he presented of any value to the department? A, I don’t think so, * Q Was there any action taken by the Board on these reports? A, None to my knowledge. at Did Mr. Petty receive a patrolman’s pay? A. Yes, sir. The witness was then examined as to the various books kept by him, and proceeded to describe the duties which he performed. THE INVESTIGATION BEFORE THE POLICE COMMISSIONERS, FURTHER EVIDENCE AS TO MEN IN THE SQUAD OB- TAINING MONEY OUTSIDE OF THEIR SALARIES— EVIDENCE OFFERED AS TO THR CHARACTER OF SERGEANT BIRNEY—THE CASE CLOSED FOR THE PRESENT. ‘The investigation which has been some days in pro- gress before the Police Commissioners, was continued yesterday morning. The very full publication in yester- day’s Hrratp of the evidence in this case, and the report of the Senate Investigation Committee, elicited much com- ment, andguite a number of interested spectators were present, je investigation was conducted before Com- missioner Bowen, and the testimony elicited was as fol- lows :— George W. Taylor sworn—No it of the Mayor’s squad ever asked me to divide with him; I have often been sent out on auction and ticket cases; I once got mo- ney for my own benefit; the amount was five dollars; Mr. Van Aradale and I went together; Sergeant Croft sent us; the man made me a present of five dollars; Croft told me to go ont and see what I could do with it; I returnod and gave Van Arsdule $1 50 and Croft $1 60; I owed Croft nothing; Tsuppose the man made me a present for reco- vering the money; he offered it to meand I took it; I never gave him any money after that; I never gave Sor- geant Birney any money after that; he never asked mo for any, but has gaid he would have any one broke if ho found him taking money. ‘To Mr. Phillipe—I have not to my knowledge borrowed any money from Sergeant Croft. To Mr. ren—No demands were made by tho Sergeant op me, at the time, to divide. To Mr. Phillips—Some of us gave five dollars each to- ‘wards a testimonial to Birney’s family. Officer Van Arsdale sworn.—I was on the Mayor's squad upwards of a year; I never heard any intimation from the sergeants that we must divide; the only case whore mo- bey was received was the one testified to by officer Gay- lor; Sergeant Croft sent me on the same business with Mr. Gaytor, and told me the countryman would make it all right with me; Gaylor was afterwards sent, and the same day he handed me one-third of the five dollare; T know of no other instance where money was received by the men. To Sergeant Birnoy—I have hoard Sergeant Birney toll the men. that if he ever caught the men taking money he age bave oe Gane know fa money loaned the mon by Sergeant i eant Birney has not approach- 7 in ee, this trint ” a rgeant sworn—I never heard any intimation from the desk that the men must divide; 1 Kuow of be te stance where money was extortod; I tent Mr. Gaylor $1 60 at one time and fifty cents at another time; the $1 50 alluded to by Mr. Gaylor waa lent to him by mo; I never asked the men to divide; I never upon any occasion threat- ened Brandt that if he didn’t divide 1 would have him broke; I have had frequent occasions to complain of Brandt for not being thorough in his duty. Mr. Faillipe offered to prove by Mr. Dobois, clerk im tis office, that Sergeant Birnsy told iim, since this in tion commenced, that he would not have brought charge against Sergeant Crott. but. that he (Sergeant on to be even with had testified against him ona chargo ney for ye wrong statement to Attorney, and that he was determined Sergeant Croft for that. there The Commissionor did not think it neoosanry as Mere was nothing affecting Sergeant Croft except, Cage oP heard, and they had been disproved by other Keetimony. Me. PLillips oftyeod to show by various DAttiga