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MATTERS IN EUROPE. Our \ienna and Park Correspondence, thing, the public peace is preserved, and the wheele of the government chariot are im the best erder. No one can tell what may happen to derange the low movement of the chariot, or show in what rut Silsashione Debate in the English House ef | the wheels may be embarrassed. The epech of the @ommous, on Democracy and the Elec tive Franchise, &eo., &e., &e. @ar Vienna Correspondence. Vurwna, March 18, 1852. Boss of the Austrian War Steamer Marianne—The Bemperor Blamed— Other Losses in the Late Storm —Continwed Festivities at Court-—Second French Theatrical Representation—Cardinal Schwarzen- berg—Departure of the Russian Princes---Results ef the Emperor's Visit to the Adrtatic--New War Meamers---Fortification of Trieste---** Austrian Correspondence” on the Future Naval Power of Austria--- Influence of Kossuth’s Movements. ‘The Austrian steamer Marianne, which left Venice. ‘ee the 4th inet., in company with the Vola, which Bere his Majesty Franz Joseph, being separated from the Initer in the storm that succeeded, has not mmce been heard of. The greatest anxiety is felt, ‘met only in Venice and Trieste, where many families had relatives on board, but also here in the ea 5 where also some of those who went out in this shi are connected. The commander of the vessel wa Gout Wohigemuth, be! @acy of Vicuna, and one of the other offisers was 9 gon of Baron Kiibeck, President of the Imperial @owneil. It is said that many persons who went out op board were connected with the highest fami. lies of the monarchy. The Emperor is said to have one out on that occasion contrary to the advice of abi hie attendants. ar well « t of the most expe- waenecd seamen. He expressed a wish, it i hie way down from Vienna, wo b Pais wish, if expresse After boing tossed abs tome he was expec te put inte a Pal e@ in that The Trieste ¢ ys th: @hioggia has missed (wenty fishing persone: i Muswzzi lds the } t the very spot He war "whe Adr ehanimen the 3c ir brig Torior waved. Tamediaiely wleamiers Were seu ne tidings could tian and Italian cc tance. There w Exchange yosion ef the loss of ¢ sons on board. firmed, andt streng fecling By the poople have acted cont men, in going fero, binme him for the afi far frown this wusianee havin, duced a a court, theg eing on in honor of the Rus ot known to whaleow ifety of the 8 yet boen L are expressed pre epresen- at which not only persons of t acy performed, bul also many mi tation in igheet aristo: bors of the diplomatic corps. The French and GSE Minleters Lock leading parte da rince Meilernich was one of the female One of the m ked notabilities Edmund chane on t ma wi rd nishop Prince aenberg, the n who has t eweding Pius LX. in the chair of younger brother of the Aus' ry little over thirty ye most tilented ot th » and elegant ie about hina th eommanding §) acthing of the Ty, to see how easily he me whem he was evidently a fi aesustomed to the li but the red cardins plain ho was courtier, in whichnothing donoted the ture severity et the w ternoon After with hie Majesty the mg as above ment ition of the imperi worth seeing by ordi the style Bighnesses ¢ Opera, which exhi 1 persons Gazette bus SECMIS HOW inueea Cc has been found in Porto Tolle, at the mouth of the Po, the lid of a chest bearing the ins j Capitano Wok’ genuth, this being the commander of the ship; that boais have al; y the same waters, that are oy lenged to the Marianne; and t feund there are likewise thought to h te the late crow of that ship. trian brig was stranded in the two Greek ships, expected at Pium The two Russian grand Prince? are to | Vienna in a few da to visit the Court of Manich, iv states that there ned an intended journey to Italy, twe field officers, to » the esses on his part. Among othe they bave becn made proprietors of regiments. The Austrians seem to expect great things as the resultof the Emperor’s late visit to Trieste and the Adriatic. I communicated, in my last, the order given to build an ar-enal in Muggia, and two steam Srigates on the propelling system. The Trieste Gazeite states that a third war steamer is to be wuilt entirely of iron, The machinery all three have been ordered in England. Trieste is to be alse mere strongly fortified. The two principal moles ef the harbor are to be lengthened, so as tu enclose agrenter extent of roadstead within ii, and the heads of these are to be crowned with several bat- deries, which will command the entra “The Austrian Correspondesice, organ of the ministry, says, on thi ‘he most high visit ‘to ‘Urieste five attention which his Majesty has give ofthe marine, are of the beet omen for thir mos tant establishment. We have long been wecv 4 to regard Austria as su exclusively continental © and have overivoked the great and important conditions of her developement at ava. whieh nature aud history have alike traced out, particular impor Ata moment in which Austria has cust off the en- feebling bands of the probibitive system, and strugwles With indefatigable energy for the realization of # mutle Suropean eomisercial and cuistows euion, it te necessary jon that will « Omura ted al rendezvors of The communerce of the world. ‘The most execiient fou ‘Wo this end. i dation «tomes ave alzesdy Ladd poured upon Austria, frou * for the reservation of a power establish t of the c ne autho. ith the control of all Une of the marine, nportant reforms which have been part out by this body, and which are ‘the mort ratistactory resulis in the dirvet ‘The proverbinl inexhaustibleness of the Austrian empire holds good iu his parti only necessary to stoop an few other lands have ineas Savor. The Correspondrie then goes on to observe that the other German States ought to see that their in- terest points to 2 close commercial! union with Aws- tria, whose Adriatic const is the key t o with two quarters of the globe Ihave no doubt the movements of Kossuth and his friends have contributed not a little to the in- creased attention of Auttria to her navy and sea- board wot commer Ov r Paris Correspondence, POLITICAL. Paris, March 25, The Unstable Position of the tionary Consprat Number of Arjests--General umdsion and Exile--The New Bud ga--Great Lavvease of Expenses and Taaation-~ Po an Lome Napoleon's Troops Kstablished in the Towns--Intense Anger of Lo being Foiled in his Tyrannteal Dew —Commemoration of the Ew Mazzin aud the Eject of hi planation of the Americans’ E 1852 Revd Government Eaorinvou Jmlellishment of the t Summer Tou ‘apoleon at in Belguum Mani festo--Exv- Dedches tlement of Montpensier Enciente--Suceession tothe Grand Duchy of Bader--Movements of th Czar— Famine in Germany—French Consul at Defeat-—Denth of Charlesion— Madame de € Prerything is going on quietly in Paris, and dhough much gowip is entertaingd about vertain ect of Rosas’ ‘ayla ng to the highest aristo- | Pp uplation, will by no means fail to produce | A Russian fail cannot be ascertained. ‘The pleis of the enemies of the government are _ daily diseovered by the police, and, in the southern departments, 2 great number of arrests have been lately made, Lyons seemed to be the eentral point | of rendezvous of the eonspirators, and the gecret leaders of these revolutionary movements are so near the frontiers of Switzerland and Piedmont, that no place seems te be more favorable for their operations. In Paris, the number of pereons arrested, during the last seven days, amounte to two or three hundred. They all belong to the Fifth ward, whioh is particularly oecupied by the vanquished red re- publicang, al them being workmen and mecha- nics. There was, on Tuesday night last, a descente de police made in o certain coffee-heuse, situated | in the Rue St. Honoré, near the Palais Royal, and called Café du Danemark, Salle Hongroide, wich | was frequented by Germans, Swedes, Polos, Hun- | garians, lialians, and other foreigners, whe were partisans of democracy, and aimed to propagate these principles. These conzpirators were most of | them tailors; but there were aleo teachers, painters, clerks, students at law and in medicine, wen of let- | ters, prieste, and cooks. These individuals used, every evening, te talk about politics, and make y violent comments on the government of | Louis Napoleon. Though they were watched by the police, their langung abusive, and ngs cou r¢ allowed to exi and they have all been imprisoned. Jn the meantime, al) those who are not cons ed favorabl ernment are furnesled f France t ; Mr. Me, Havre, and rndex n of th gs Commander-in-Ch Thomas vernment, Guard. A shown much ele a Presse, was deemed nec ther, Mme. Sophie editor f him to where ly h of his y nas the rebellious written to Louis Napoleon, request him hi passport w sent to Brussel: ardin, and rrived in Pari why he will for his intere is the de had been thought that wade & const i 1 ier to ex: id that he f As#mbly would be y seevice and” “one ns more than I Buded th culate tien of seven mill welve mi! quived by t X this am the Pre he Senate. Hen “than n » of the Low jon Amon: that oo liqul pals eforn the | ant | fifteen million will refund the money These sums are the ment. fi short y rece sitation. of yy the Zovernme * erbn is I pce to t (Monday night.) ia the has been arra for | though not ) x ‘ ticipate next letter. Thope ( nels, a * at the ¢ dent intends ¥ variments of I nud Cherbourg. peneampmient ie to he made at ¢ mals devoted to the defence o| wt this mo f jent abje if the Tuileries, for the purpose of dis in numberof gold medils to the s Ives in te events of Dec ) men present, the f the chat There were and balconies Loui | numerous staf’, compo Is Jerome Bon parte. B = and V + Generals Magnan, Caurobert, de Bar Reybell, Achard, de Treval. | ahitte, Baragnay @Hili vy. Schram, ¢ English « view be on medals, which, it w ed by the ordinanee, which . by aibered, have been ows 100 h deliver © re Idier. After the + the défilé of troe There wa ch spe erie evidal MONEE wf that colony, who have commitied several aets of plunder and murder against the French people established iq that comntry. | ided that the 1 he sabmit- of the | A new deeree of the President has d members of the Cou des Comptes shi ted to the sume regulation a# the magistrate: country, namely: that when seventy-five # old. they shall be obliged to retire from office. Jt vesaid that the same measure will he adopted by the Pre- sident for all the office-holders of Vrance. The election for a mem of the National Assembly, | which took place at Lyons, on the 2ist wlt.. bus | produced a vew shock to the gov . There | ware two candidates for that offic Mr. Olivier, | a Bonapartist, the other, Mr. | , This gentleman has be yy voters, whilst his compet | votes. This news has excited, to the nwnost degree. | the muy of Louis Napoleon amt his ini Another matier which has much anueyed the Ch of the State. as well av his ministers, has been the | ittal of Mesers. Alexander Thomas and 1) Hau!- touville, who had been tried at rassls tor having | published a newspaper entitled Budetin Prangrr, contaiuing violent attacks nat Louis N Notwithstanding diplomatic intrigues, these wr: have been acquitted, and they intend coutinui their publication in Londen. ‘The annual ceremony in commemoration of phine, the first wile of Napole took place on Mri- day last, in the church of Rweil, a small village near Paris, and was attended by a large audience, AJl the courtiers of the Elysé@ were present, and | many soldiers of the old guard of the Emperor It has been said that Sergeant Boichot, ex-ropre sentative of the poo who fed to London with | 1 Rollin and Louis Blane, bas decided to go to | Brazil, where he isto be admitted a captain in the rauke of the army. Thi news is without founda- tion. M. Boichot is waiting in Boglaud w propitions | moment to return to Paris j} Mayzini has published a mavilosto in the Belgian | papers, entitled “Duty of the Democracy,” which is an appeal to insurrection of the inost exciting cha- racter. This appeal may be expressed by the single word, “up;? for it appears that the Roman tribune | if not vet satisfied, and desires to eve more blood | shed tor the sake of liberty. 1 do not think that, for the present, the speech of Mazzini will receive much sympathy out of France. . A queer article, which appeared on Friday last in the Morning Chronicle, and repeated in the Gadi g- nani Messenger, gave the Americans residing in Paris the apprebension that some serions miswndor- sanding bad taken place between the United States and France; for, according to the article, Mr. Webs- ter had been 1 vo Washington by important ived from Mr. Rives. 7 have made several inquiries on this subject, and have ascer- ined the whole affair. It appears that a gentle- man of Paris, Mr. B-—, having solieited the honor of being hearer of despatches, had received from the Minister of the United States a bmndle containing dupl previous messages. Asa matter of course, he was ignorant of their contents, and hi ing # little too much spoken of his important duty, he was cousidered the hearer of a very heavy diplo- matic loud. A New York paper was informed of | Na, on the 26th inst., aceompanied by the new | posed, for the King o | grain | The Debate tn the British Parliament on | presentation oa the bu | lease | not j | they heli ! voters. | result of the d | | Vise the taxation of the conntiry, and | justice of the | the member for Surrey, who had just resumed his and bore. Such is the end of that affair, which makes mo remember the well known fabie 0” Byop, “The Floating Sticks.” | De loin c'est quelpue chose, e de pris ce west rien! (Prom afar it is something, but hore it is nothing.} | News from Spain aunounces that the Dutchoss of lontpensicr hal stopped at Valence, being encience. | and unable to proceed to Naples. Genera! Canedo wes to sail from Cadiz to Nava | Governor of Porto Rieo. From Baden we received the intelligence that the Grand Duke was on the point of dying, and that his elder son, who is said to be a Iunatic, was in the same condition. It was hoped that the ad Duke, before his degth, would abdicate in favor of hie second son, who, though well favored for Aus- tria, would enforce the power of the Great Duchy. ‘the Dutchess of Cobourg, daughter of the Du had arrived near his bedside, and wae to ure all her power in favor of her second brother. The question relative to the canton and city of Neufchatel is not entirely resolved, as wae sap- Prussia, with the intencion of maintaining his rights over that prineipality, bad seized 110,000 trance, which were invested by the Common Council of Neufehatel, in the Prarsaan | stocks. The Czar Nicholas, is expected, within a shor! time, at Warsaw, where he will rena weeks, and from thence proceed to Bi is is sons are still in Vienna, where they are nig feasted in the most dashing style. The newsfrom several parts of Germany, ae Posen, Westphalia, Tyrol, and Casecll, if nok of @ very sa- tistactory or Ht appenrs that the searcity of food is such that the poor people are unable to buy d potatoes, Thit famine has created a mber of gangs of highwaymen, who # thieving and mu ng on the roads. Several giments of infantry sainst them. In Sweden, tans, two of the largeet p: re 80 much & 3 Higed to cat bark, leaves and straw. ition hae nugmer the emigra large nut and cavalry have been ¢ at Werucland ple | | | ne Ist lo the lth more than 3. 2, a ehildre : om | Mambur ; in thirteen ships, beond to New York and New Orlea There are now more than 1,000 people wait | nity te Jeave the old continent f Pierre Bonaparte, cousin to Lou A opporua the papers, has rece iaem in Pa of the despe has been nna knew the ex Pacheee wishing iy ated by all those who tions and crimes of the raa Don seo; Charge of Montevideo to Parik, celebrate this victory. has sent to de of Payis, a sum of tribuied among to eh mayor of the twel hundred franes to be )00r Mr. Philaruse Cha Mme. the under the ‘ayla, whose celebrity VITL. had no ect abe way called the Egére of the King died on day morning las ropey of | heart. Mme. Du Co a beautitul | | lady, but alee a. sen ae | sur- | passed in ony ei at loss ta the so | y of which she the omarent. BHR. | The Elective Franchise in England and the United States. | } ton of the Elective Pranthise stand. House of Commons, on the Mr. moved for leave to being inh to wend the representative systom. by making the pend on residence and rating only=—to in- ng by ballot—to shorten the duration wment to three years—and fo adjust the re- s of population and pro- Ho had heen placed in consid i ¢ forward motions for of many honorable members, wi reformers, vbjecting to vote on in order to overcome th lie now proposed to sul plan, und could not €or would not em! 251 u is ue trodue of Pa n perty. { is motion ine with ction (0 that, tag should him, he should he duly protected tn : for, without sueh lent that the ve i ut she vote infinerge vesider ¢ tof parish, should be pig iect of the bill w vis. He had, iv perience. observed how ditiores ducted themselves at the comune endofal ainent. Insicad o of sever rey he thoug! vw three yeur sess COME ¢ vied, andy to the it hould we that the | wntrol over + in case he should sor by | , forfeit the pledges he hud given. ‘CHear.) | were the principal objeecs of his bill, and he thought no honorable members could pet om the rm ocenzsion that he had brough rd anelb- stiaet propositis Ualess they granted an oxien- sion of the e they would” 1 of the peo} convielion that the treated, aud when times of danger ci nin the support of tho: ved to just » given there would be no protection for (Ifear, hear.) Whatever might be the iston that evening, he was fiunly they emme to re- nd to show the unjust position in which the industrial elasses were ed, they would appear in a little better state than that of geris, aud that then there would be Yeason to regret that more attempts had not been macie to reformthe House of Gomme As afriend the crown, to the peers, and to the ms, he desired to see all classes of this county participate in the benefit of reform. His wish was to justice, and to prevent those evils whieh might wrise in times ofexciioment. (Hear, hear,and ). The honorable member ooneluded by ig for leave to bring in the bill of which he hed given # Sir Joeuea WaLMeLEy seconded the motion, and stated his belict that che yeform proposed by Mr. Hume was making gieat progress, and was merely a question of time, as it was already demanded by jority of the people of the county ing the Reform act as one ef th wevetres ever offered to # nation, and as vtterly inndequate to ite object. be urged the popular claim tor its revision, and | ained the House of the dangerous results whiek might occur should such claim be re with eon- iumel, Mr. Hesry Davsiatonn remarked upon the ws sivability of Dringing on such a nin a ned Parliament, but hoped that it wonld net be pooh-poohed” by the government. Atier com- imenting ow the abeonce of any rea! principle in all the attempts at reform, he pointed out the dangers veswlling therefrom, and declared, in reterence tu the conferring the franchise on poverty, that equa ity of power would become equality of goods. Were he to lake up reform, he would reform the House of Lords, which was at present one of the weakest parts of our constitution, and oaght to be strepgth- ened hy giving the crown the power to make peers for lide. The power of the House of Commons, he dectaved, had increased, was increasing, and ought to be di shed. Sir W Woon seid that bis honorable friend, ve on the minds | were unjustly they would ns whieh | ne balloc | | was satisfied that before long, when seat, had commonced hy stating that his honorable friend, the member for Montrose (Mr. Hume), hail pursued « somewhat singular course in what he wax pleased to call waeting the time of the House, by « disenssion om this subject, while he was expresemg great auxiety for a dissolution of Parliament. He thought they were oepecially called upon to enter ito the discussion of this question, in consequence of the principles which had heen propounded by the noble lord who now progided over the affairs of the country. fle understood that noble lord to have dcelared not merely that he was opposed to the bill for the amendment of the representative system, in- troduced by the noble lord the member for the city of London. but that his goverment would, in ac- cordance with their principles, oppose what he called the proceedings of demagogues, and would uphold monarchy against democracy. Now the word * de- mocracy” was, of course, known to be a word that had an ill sound; but what did the noble lord mean hy it when he contrasted the principles of his goveen- ment with that of the government which preceded it? for that was the effect of his speech. Had that govern- ment inany way advanced democracy in the bad sense of the term, which no doubt meant insurrection? Da- ring the period in which it held office, there were two attempts made to wield this democracy by two very feeble demagogues—the attempt in Ireland by Mr. this fact ad inagnitied the inaiter, ang whieh, hay- ng ed in type ty Londep, wae topied (here Sith OBrien, aud (hat nearer home, under whore rr aaa | Whi , of which was a belief that you secured order ar | wour | ment repre | tion. | Remnch as from | devably Jarger pumber of jorsous B | Were admitted within the pale ef the consutution, | if starving, soon take the food from the weaker, | would have been a very strong illustration before guifavce he would not sey, Now, so far were those pitempea tam boing advanced by that government, i that the firet way signally put down by the Burl of Clarendon, aud the latter by the Home Seerstary, | sustained by the good konse of the great body of the | le, But democrasy might either mean s total ion of the monarchical prinsiple or it might only mean justice to the people. Now he would ask | if those governments of Europe were prospering in | that element was entirely exe! ride Now, omitting the eases of military occupation which prevailed in some parts. of the continent, and which were no governments at all, there were en the con- | tinent two leading tems of government. One | was the high monarehien) principle (he would not use an offensive word and vall it despotic), w was carried oat in Aurtria and Rusdia, and the b good goverument by having na hereditary sove- reign, endowed with an imaginary perfection, which | woutd enable him, with the assistance of eertain of the high nobility or others, around him, to assist him provide for the interest and advantage of his people with paternal and fostering ca: The notion at the bottom of this system was the samo as that which used to be expressed by some of the old school in whora he might eall 1 their counsels, to | this country, that the ‘people have nothing to do h the laws bnt to obey them: id his council b lative and there, which it neve: nd the sovereign ig in these countries both legis @, the notion carried out way here. Lf, ad, we could have # perfect sovereign, a being endowed with gu- pereminent wisde 0 was able to do what no- thing but a higher power eonld—to provide for the well being of alarge commanity—this system might then be attended with bouelivial results. Jn the is of the poets— Nanqnam libertas gratior extal Quam eub vege pic. Bui such a being as he had deseribed never having appeared, the unfortunate reeult of trusting any man with unlimited er bad been to corrupt him, and make him arbitrary end ambitious, while, with respcet to the people, it had led to that they were not to be allowed any tin thought or reflection, that they were to receive at the hands of @ paternal government that which it ght think best for thom, an@ that they we remain forever in the condition of ehildre: ver rise to the degre hese Empe ionto bis Twant good subj mnt people to be © y then they would learn how to help and aid themselves, and they would see that there has been a monstrous impesture in our sys- tem of government, and that system mnet breal down.” there w gree of enli; growing in the p to put it down, to stop il; done by spies, inrormers, tribunals, then wes fo another total! adopted in this at here in the greatest t was also carried ¢ We had here an heredi helieved, order was s of thei 0, tuieret i we te know- led, but then, in preventing ing, vit wove then. bein, f eomto; edue the y rt, 2 ep what they Thi gave to the peoy and he trusted would not accordi infancy and obildoud, b ina free state, actuated i as y who wore nent, and as to the por uct except Uhrough presentation. ‘TI this was the | in ot the eoun and by all governme gt Vieved it: would the only safe basi ve Wasthe cor As. however. the iis wonkd ¢ whiel ptidenes orth > pe yple. fi eatur which power | should be no ex power of the peop od a half or a total subve' ct the wdoption of want of confidence in t em, a principle mnie energy oF ny go- | (Cheers.) The noble ight say what he would, but he (Sir W. P. eved that ne government could now stand for many months—certainly net for year’—in this miry, which should again commit the fatal error of one of the greatest nen who ever held power in this county, when he declared himself opposed to any reform in the representation of the people. Our whole life in this country was oue of progress, and why should we.stand stand still in this respec more than in any other? The honorable member for Sur- rey (Mr. Drumm said to those who advocated tho extension of suffrage, “ You admit there ger in that extension, but you tell us to rely on the people being affectionate, well disposed, and enlight- ened. Supposing, however, these good disporitions to be overpowered, where nre you 2? Now, ho wizhe to ash the honorable member whe if a consi- than at present they would be more dangerons there than without! Their numbers and pewer would be just the some in both cases. The honorable member's remark, that the stronger of two animals would, the repeal ef the com laws, and when, as in 1817 and 1819, we had a Jarge number of people in # starving eondition, with an unreformed House of Commons, whom they believed to he the author of these calamities. But Parliament was reformed, and, as ® consequence, these laws were repenicd. And thus he was enabled, when he was brought in contact with his constituents in the disastrous year 1847, (when the loaf was selling at Hyd. that was now ,purchasable for 5d.,) to tell them that it was not the hand of man, but of God, which had atticted them. He could not have told them that daring the existence of the comm laws. (Cheers.) His honorable friend had also said, ‘* What have we to do with the ballot? surely that is # matter fer our constituents.” Unfortunately, however, without the assistance of that house, their constituents were not able to obtain it, if they desired it, ashe believed (and, as to his own constituents, knew) that they did. They were told constantly on these motions to look with great alarm at the progress of democracy, and to take warning by the example of France. He had, however, ceme to the conelnsion that if we withed to save onrselves from the calamities that beset that country, we should take care to avoid the errors that occasioned them. Now, up to the first revolution, that country, as every one knew, was under that form of government in which the central power wasevery- thing and the people nothing. They had no parlia- ment, and the people had consequently no itical education. The small portion of politien) education they did possess was confined to the Jega! profossion, who practised in the local parliaments. The result, | of this paternal government was that all who had influence at the court and all the nobility had ma- naged to exempt themselves from taxation, while the rest of the people were heavily taxed. They wore eho aud exasperated, and they rose in one of those fearful insurrections which, he trasted, we, in this country, from our different system of government, were never likely to have. They had since heen in a perpetual state of confusion, grasp- ing, in a spirit of the most childish imitation, at anything whieh they vaw in other countries which they thought they could incorporate in their own system, but never xecking to build anything out. that system, or to develope it in a process of natural growth. No person who had presided over that country—not even Louis Philippe, who had much sendenve and forethought---liul that eonfidence and reliance on the le which should have induced them, if they acted in a wise spirit, and imitated anything from ee and America, to imitate thosemunielpalities an local governments that would have prepared the people, by thatproce of political education, to takea proper part in thedie- charge of higher political duties. Everything, how- ever, Wasmanaged by the central power; nocontidence wae reposed in the people: and then, when the revolutions came, they were told that they wore all te have « vote, when ibey did not know how te ex- ereleg it, or how to carry on the trust repooed ja | the ques The | he dia vot se | of this honse act them. Onoof the most sin, portentoue revolution which sident, he had alorest seid, on his while mivursal snifrage war to be had not beard that @ single public held. Now, if » change of @ tenth part of that mangnitude had been effected in Bngland, they would have had meotings in every county, borongh, or parivh through the country, deliberating in a regular manner, and the minority being pained by the decision of the major The French, however, never had any public meetings except the clubs of Paris; aud a minority in that coantry never knew what it wae to submit toa majority, but preferred to an appeal from ite decision to that of arm: Wivat had taken place in that country was, in f; a warning to us that we were not safe if we allowed ularge masse of ple to be for a long time ox- cluded from political power, and then, at the last moment of panie, admitted them to that to whieh thoy figalal have been admitted long pre- viourty. (Cheere.) Then the honorable member for Surrey, (Mr. Druannond,) said that he did not know what the noble lord meant by the constitu- tion, and he quite believed that the honorable momber did not, aehe said that it waspart of the con- stitution to have small boroughs in order to put men of talent and intelligence in that house. Amongst many disadvantages, they had certainly this advan- tage, but it was quite incidental, and was no part of the constitution. But there was no such thing as abstract rights. Wut there were such things as bees principles; and one of the first of these was, have confidence in the people. They might be abliged to make exeeptions; as, for instance, they might say that education was not sufficiently dii- fused through one elass, or that another class was so shifting im its habits that it could not be en- trusted with the franchise. But it was a monstvons thing to tell him that, in this country, where intolli- xénse was so much diffused among the masses of the people, the franchise was to be limited to one million of persone. (Hear, hear.) That was a prin- ciple to which “he was not prepared to accede. In this country they had two immense advantages with respect to their population. He bad already suid that there were other countries which had to # greater or lees extent adopted the Wnglish prin- ciple of government, aud oue of the most distin- guished of these was Belgium; and the people of that country also portessed in a high degree the advan- tages to which he referred. The first was, than people were well educated in the forms and habi ular features of that the Prosi- 6, Was, (hit lished, he meeting was inunicipal government. The old municipalities of Ghent and ages, and other large towne, had famitiarized the Belgian people with the principles pal government, and therefor: E the representative system had sueceeded eo well w them, But the : as another quality wi tinguished the lo of this eountry—t were a people who deeply valued their religions fi (hear, hear), which was the best security for orde that any goverument could possess; and the same thing existed in a bigh degreo in Belgium, which t the more anx state, ax he had shown i not favor that particular (ai in which their religious feeling was expressed. (He hear.) Tle had now only a word or two to veferevice to individual motion. He vent occasi nd the member for Montrose, and he stated that his support ference to this parti overnment Lo | aid co, he (Sir P. Y ‘y motion whieh did ao he thought was safe and proper. Hof Parliament the noble lord the member ation in favor of nin, At the opening of the prose i s introduced into bh to him, therefore, that it i nilong to exist, whieh opy ential question, Re did not iving reform at th nds oft noppositc, Ho did not see ¥ ion, the people should de- ‘ot have & measure of reforin mmiont. (Langhtorand cheers.) w what was to be done with they did not yes Imow what was to be done h protection (ehee: avd they did not know what might be d h re- form. (Renewed cheering.) He believed that at the nexi nthe people of Baghind would pro nounee and therefore he aid he aid not des ceiving it atthe hands of right honorable gentleanen opporite. But, euro he wae, if not from their hands, they must receive it from the hands of ding goverument, be they who they n (Cheers.). That being the ject of binding henoral bere down to a specitic plan whieh was not i he carried before they had a whie! nour each occasio! iven from no b n, but ¢ ished th N they would vote yond wh: the subject y Vt appeare: for any gove itself te thi from th present gov ¥ did not yet kr yroeth (ll inemn- ty to plan submitted to them hiwas likely to be carried. (Cheers.) Thore was inly one point on v he agreed with the honorable member tov Monteose—that he would not he satis A with measure which was no : (Hear, hear.) Bai, ene that was broughe —as being in iteelf in od; theuph he would not vete ct he wonle ke ne te in Roving thus td ns and his view The Crances.o: Excnequrn—A though the esting nestic not appear to be so int the horse as one aiulit think (aughter terial benches), he cannot let it go to a vision without tresspassing for a few moments ou your attenti I shall endeavor to do that which, ae fi 1 have been able to observe, has uot yet been done by any gentleman who preceded me, not even by the mover himseif (another laugh from the ministerial benches), and shall address my- If to the motion before the House. J have had from the honorable and learned gentleman who just sai down; one of these dissertations which no member hink« more interesting or more in- structive than I do; and we have kad several speeches trom several gentlemen on the subject of parliamentary reform, but it appeared to me that they were mainly addressed, not to the motion that ‘athe paper, but rather to that still more celebra- ted, though eyaneseent, proposition, which for a moment excited so much interest, but which, with due rogard to the feelings of the noble lord, the member for London (another laugh from the minis- terial benches), I had not, from motives of delicacy, inten to refer to kpceties laughter), were it not for the speech of the honorable and learned gentle- man, the member for Oxford,who delivered himself of a very elaborate oration (ministerial laughter) that, rampart cca VE Seto We reeasoke Sein Lara ropo- sition ; and, with a somewhat remarkable incon- sistency, he had terminated by declaring that he should yote ageinst a proposal which he had for three years supported. W. P. Woon--No, ne. The CHANCELLOR oF THE Exchrauen—By not yoting at all— ill more interesting dilemma— in favor of & a el which he had supported for three years. (ifear, hear.) There were four pro- positions in the inotion before them to extend the franchise—to take the votes by way of ballot—to gecure a trienial election of Parliament—and to change materially the proportion of representatives, #0 a8 to make it more consistent with the amount of population and Vy wate hs The seconder of the motion (Sir J. Walmsley) advocated such a re-dis- tribution of the representation as should diminish what he called the ‘‘ territorial influence.” (Hear, ait. ee e Pome ee It might he said that ke had made out a eolorable case by selecting five or six important, but still par- tial instances; but he had anticipated that objec- tion, and had tested this important queetion in nuother manner, which he thought the House world admit tobe conclusive. He had before him a list of the towns in England whose population was not less than 20,000. There were 77 of these towns, begin- ning with Ashton-under-Lyne, and ending with York, most of them tur exceeding 20,000, and almost all of Cio the ete of commercial iar ape ae ing industry. The aggregate lation of these towns war 8.200 000, Represetted fr that House by 138 members. There were, however, several towns in England not possessing a population of 20,000, hut which were considerable places, and which, as the seats of commerce, ought to be inserted in a list of that kind, though they did not exactly reach the limit of 20,000. If he took such towns as Gloucester, for instance, and Lynn Regis, and others of that kind, which had a population of near 20,000 inhabitants, and added theses; which were about 20, to the 77 towns having 2 population of more than 20,000, they gave a population of 6,500,000, who wore represont- ed in the House of Commons by 168 members. The result of this analy: , that there was o1 representative for every 36,000 inhabitants of the towns, and one representative also for ever inhabitants of the rest of England, the population of which, deducting the 6,500,000 inhabitants of the towne, was about 17,000,000 and odd. (Hear, hear.) Taking, then, this completo and com hensive view of the question, it was found, when they came to the distribution of the population, be- tween the towns and the Jand, that there was Cae a difference of 1,000 between both, and in both in- stances-—both as regarded the urban population and the land population--if he might so express him- relf, there was @ more ample representation than was laid down by Mr. Mackay as the proper exem- play and type of whatought to be the representation in the House of Commons. (Cheers.) Having examined the question in this way, he came toa conclusion different from that of the honorable mem- ber for Moutrose. He did not think that the statements made by the honorable member for jtroxe, and the honorable gentleman who is motion, which- were formed from ances, supported by fantastic com- yng, and crleulated ur bag hel aeha di impressions, did not justify the poliey they recom- mended. (Hear, hear.) The data on which they when investigated, te bo complete- rand after the facts to whieh he appeal whick were not enveloped in any olf | were to be found in the Nbrary of the mane-atter this complete and le wf dealing 9 she relied appenre | comprehensive my a ea aie nest were stopped in the streets; [quite ineficient, and the 100,000 eiti } (which they had i niuch boastet of) were content to vemuin at hon Siow te A emcee | should be mavh seeprised if the honorable man continued to maintia oetio’ that in the distribution of representa’ the town population Was not justly treated in comparison wich the eoun- try population. (Hear, bear) The! was a posi- tion which they could no longer support, in his opinion. yn datas Meties _ Well, he heard them that night de: ing an oligarebys but, 2 mere cunning device a1 i abtish. ing an oli fh ve, than to invest a limited number of persons with the irauehiae, and to guard them, througi the ballot, frem the criticism and control of the nenfranchiscd wi!lions. (Loud cheers.) He would do honorable geutiemen opposite the eredit of believing that they were not in favoy of such a propos 3 and they always, indeed, contended that an extension of the suffrage was anecessury concomitant of the ballot. (fear, hear.) Well, then, if that wore so, he wauted to kuow where the was to be drawn, if the fr chire was to be considered us a right, os was eon- tended by the hoaorable geutleman opposite, that night? (Hear, hear.) li ibey said that they did not want to draw any line, and that they wished for universal suffrage-—withou! which, as fo> as the prin- ciples of political justice weni, they could net othe wise establish pertoct justice—then they came to a new constitution, and had, in fact, what was eom monly called the sovercignty of the people-—ilust is toray, that American constitution which was so constantly and consistently panegyrixed by henov- able gentlemen opposite. (ifear.) But tat was gontle- not the constitution of © 1. (Hear, hear.) The consticution of England, mitigated and ‘modi- fied as it might be, was still the constitution of Queen Victoria. (Cheers.) But, said the honeral| member for Montrose, we must have the ballot, and it igno use to bring forward fine spun argument: against it, because the ballot will terminate bribery and corruption. Now, he begged to diroct the attention of honorable geutlemen opposite to 4 passage which he had recen ly read, and which up- peared ina document coming from that traneatlan- tie countiy in which urtiversal suffrage and veie by ballot existed. (Hear, hear.) This wae the way in which the Governor of 4 York addressed ths Legislature of that State--that enlightened eommu nity which was The Governe ine Si cond to none im the United Stat of this State says—“he amazi io vase of bribery in the popular elections or this ate vemands your serious attention.” (Loud cheering) Thi y in which the chici Governor of New York, Which universal . and the bal A, ald resol Logisizture. (Hear) dent quoted by the he and here was the hee the Legislature to interfere found this document in a leiicr n who was once a member of that who had performed import ry: butas he (My. Disracti) sentiments of the writer, he to his name, although if | ) i ecoived on bs else did he tir that the clectiuns , 00; that elector people whe were pi ra Wrilten by service lo th from the ministe) ud temple of freed marked the ne which he brought forward, that honorable gentlemen opposite only gaye them the facts on one side, and ouly urged ‘one class vi consic tions on their notice. (H This Writer went 00 thus—speaking’of (ese riets—to say: he people aeted like brates, aud they onght he inet by brute foree;” whilst the New York per iar fi i Ye rof the ballot, spoaks anor ays that “the scoundrels deserved ta be dogs.” (Cheers and laughter.) ‘She bul- loi, then, did pot prevent bribery, nor those horri- ble scones of intimidation which were unknown in Emrope, and which they could not conceive in this « fF “hear, hear.”) Well, but his correspondent spoke of something besides, and thi< was indeed a humiliation for a reformer. (Laugh- ) Ilo said that the whig committee of the th ward—and in justice to the noble lord, he wancellor of the Exchequer) must inform the Che house that the whig party in New York was not th. party of which the noble lord was the distinguisbedt chicf and the hereditary ornament--(‘hear, hear,” and laughter)—the writer said that tie whig com- mittee of the Kighth ward offered $100 to any ony who brought 20 voters to vote for the whig ucket. (Loud laughter and cheering.) He says the *'sys- em of bribery is intolerabie.” Yet ai! these por- ous exercised the right of voting in tines precise wey. by which bribery aud corruption wit mtimi- dation were te be prevented. (C pungraph to which he must refer, becaw logielaiive importance. In the Assembly of New York, th to the following whereas, the use of mo: the purpose of influcn upting electors, is reasig, rese omumittes be appointed i exam: nd report whether, in their opinion, a law disfranchising such would be # violation of the constitution of He quoted this, to show that cormnp- tion existed in the State of New York, and that when the people of this country were told that in- tolerable corruption prevailed here, they were not to run away with the idea that it was in conse- quence of not possessing vote by bullet. (Hear. hear.) He begged leave to say that corruption did not prevail in this country from the want of the ballot, but because the people were not properly brought we (Hear, hear.) Corruption was not be ttopped by any law, but by elevating the tone of the community, and by making them ashamed ot corruption, (Hear, hear.) It was well known that tho feeling of the people of England had beeomy more elevated im this respect, and that purer sen- timents prevailed new than formerly. (Hear. hear.) A laxity of principle existed formerly amongst publie men in the higher clase, whici would not be tolerated, and did not exist at pre- sent. (Loud cheers.) The same influence and - agencies which purified the tone of the better edu- iss, Was at work now among the lower And this was the only secure way of obtai ig those results which it was for the interest of all — clitsew should be accomplished. (Cheers.) Atter view- ing thisquestion, I amsure, with perfect impartiality. i have been struck—nea Ihave been with the other heads of tite system of tho honorable member for Meutroxe—with the great exaggeration which per-_ vades the statement of the case by that honorably gentleman and his friends. [I remember, at the end of last session, hearing a distinguished member of this House—a gentleman who, especially upon thir question, addresses ue with sufficient contidenee in subject and in himself—(a laugh)—the member for Manchester. He said—* Ix a system 10 endury in whieh only one in seven of the adult population enjoys the franchise?” Aud J remember the tumul- tuous cheers which immediately responded to that indignant question. (Hear.) Well, ie it true that only one in seven of the aduit population enjoys the fran Axe his figures capable of bearing ex- amination? (Hear, hear.) 1 have taken bo ae liamentary returns of the electors of Great Britain for 1842-3, and I have taken the adult population in 1841—for when these pa rs were drawn up the returns of the consus of 1851 were net completed— but the relative proportions then, although the figures may differ a little, weuld be the same. Now. sir, while im the retum of 1842-3 for Groat Britain-- J take that beeause it is almost in the same year a¢ the census, and must therefore be the fairesi—whilo the numbers of the electors are 941,000, those of the adult male populntion are 4,960,000, whieh they tell us is one in seven. (Hoar, hear.) They not five millions, #0 that, in fact, the electors of the dult population are as one in five. (Cheers.) Au Hox. MEmpen.—You do not include Ireland. The CHANCELLOR oF THE Excurqurn.—! have ot. Ofcourse, if 1 had, the reduced population in Ireland would tell in my favor (hear, hear) ; but he case of Ire is 0 exceptional, that I throw it out of the question altogether, and the more #0, bo- ause 0 rate measure relating to that country wae introduced by the lato government. (Hear. hear.) From these five ions—I take them at five willions—thore are somo deductions. We must deduct the army and navy, abroad and in Ireland, the merchant seamen afloat, fer 1 never heard of any proposition to include them. Cte hear.) First we must deduct 169,000, w reduces total number to 4,700,000. Then deduct the army at home, 35,000; the navy and merchant soamon, 111,000. Dae ee prisoners, lunatics, and pon- sioners, 74,000. Thon there are domestic servants, for they are omitted in every scheme of roform I ever heard of (hear, hear). 164.600; then I mast deduct what are called the “residue of the population’’-- scople who have no houses at all, who are not even Toa ors (a laugh)—270,000. That reduces the whole adult population to little more than four millions, and therefore the portion hecomes about one in fonr. (Hear.) That is to start with. Instead of one in seven, it is by the figures of the official returne only one in four. (Loud cheers.) But I must o fwthther. These bold—J will not call them ogtiee, after the plaintive appeal of the honorable gentleman to-night, but these bold statesmen have never proposed to include the agrieniteriets or even the urban laborers. (Hear.) But here ave 1,036,000 peasants to be deduct- ed, aud that leaves only 2,694,000, which ix about one in two and a fraction, or nearly one in ahh Sioa Midi Langton tie, A pa omy ments we hear year after year lear, hear. What do the statements mean that oe made ie leagues and reform associations at Liverpool or any- where cleo? (Cheers.) What do the statements, thatare made in pamphlets, what do the etatemente demag