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NEW YORK HERALD. yew York, Monday, february 20, 1843. Herald Literary Depot. All the new literary publications of the day, issued on the cheap cash system, are for sale at the HERALD LI- TERARY DEPOT of CHEAP LITERATURE, North West corner of Fulton and Nassau streets. Call, see, and buy. To the City Carriers of the Herald. Several of the Carriers of the Henaxo, in the central and upper wards, are in the habit of serving their subscri- bers at as late an hour as 8 or 9 o'clock in the morning.— every subscrih< r 1s not served before or at 7 o'clock, the carrier on that route shall be dismissed, and anew one appointed. Applicants for routes will please hand in their names to this office. Movements in Washington—Captain Tyler tn Motion. ‘The “Ides of March” are rapidly approaching. As the almanacs say,we may “look out fora heavy squall of rain and wind—a thunder storm, with lightning and sulphur about these days.” The month of March is an awful month, according to Father Miller. Perchance in that month, the end ef the world may come—fire and brimstone may rain from heaven—all things may be purged—and every hu- man being cleansed with fire and water. This will be good news for the Five Points and ‘Washington, for both these places want a great deal of cleansing, and of the most thorough character, too. Itis certain, however, whatever be the fate of the world, that the news from Washington now begins to be interesting. This interest does not so much arise from legislation on any subject, as from the movements of the different parties and faetions in reference to the next Presidency. It is now very evident that Captain ‘lyler intends to make a grand move—a bold dash into the “ fierce demo- cracie,” immediately after che rising of Congress. mr. Clay and the whigs seem to be one and indivisi- ble, in all their future movements. From the ex- pulsion of the cvonskin cabinet—since the retreat of Ewing & Co., Captain Tyler hae been in a state of indecision in regard to his movements, that can- not be carried on longer. He must now show his hand. The continuance of Mr. Webster in the cabinet, in spite of the opposition of the whigs, the demo- crate or the “guard,’’ has caused a singular state of things. A certain portion of both parties—mere office seekers—mere broken down politicians—have been endeavoring to get Webster out of the cabinet ever since Ewing & Co. went out. All the efforts toget up ‘Tyler papers, and Tyler meetings, and pass resolu- tions, have originated with these office beggars, un- der the mask of democracy, or any name that would take with or tickle the captain. In New York, Ma- jor Noah hasbeen going about town for months, saying, “‘nothing will ever be done till Webster leaves the cabinet.” By this the Major means that he cannot get the surveyorship till Webster and his influence be removed from Washington; then all Webster’s oppointments are expected to go. For nearly a year past, therefore, the great strug- gle in the Tyler ranks has been to get Webster out of the way. This struggle will come to an issue af- ter the 4th of March. He was going to be removed to a foreign mission last year, but his great speech in Faneuil Hall demolished his secret foes among the “guard” at that period. Since then the Tyler offiee beggars and “‘guard,” who are trying to get up mass meetings, have been ina state of general discontent. After the 4th of next March, all these secret operations—all these struggles—all these movements will come to a head. If then Mr. Webster should be ostracised and sent to Europe, on some new mission, we may expect a general movement of the Tyler party allover the northern , middle and western States—a movement intended to capture the “‘young democracie,” and to demolish Van Buren in his aspirations for the pre- sidency. The movements of Isaac Hill in New Hampshire—the recent Tyler Convention in New Jersgy—and the projected meeting in Military Hall of New York,are all parts of the same general game, or “revival,” among the old politicians, under the influence of the sppils in hand or in prospect, to op- pose Mr. Van Buren, and to unite the locofocos with Captain Tyler. In the south, the contest will be principally between Calhoun and Van Buren— but in the northern and middle States it will be a struggle between ‘Tyler and Van Buren—between the influence and the spoils of the State and gen- eral governments. In this contest Mr. Webster oc- cupies a singular and outré position. That section of the “democracie” which Captain Tyler most courts, hatesand fears Webster. Hence the proba- bability that they will get him out of office—and make all his friends,now in office, follow in his foot- steps. - From these facts, views and inferences, it will be perceived, that the singular confusion which now exists in political affairs, will begin to clear up in March. The bitterness and malice of party seems to be moderated all over. In Congress, there is a great deal of wit, humor and folly—but they seem to be more good humored than ayear ago. Captain Tyler, with his veto in one hand and his spoils in the other, has demolished and destroyed the expecta- tions of the Whigs during the last two years. In the next two years, the same Ceptain, with his spoils and his veto, will equally demolish the as. cendancy of the democrats in Congress. From the position he holds, and the direction he is taking, we do verily begin to believe that he will destroy the election of Van Buren, Calhoun, or any other man —and absolutely prepare the way for the ultimate triumph of Henry Clay. The Captain does not mean any such thing—but like many other poli- ticians who fancy they see afar off, he frequently contributes to results that he never anticipated. Inthe meantime, let us look to Washington dur- ing the next month for very i:nportant news. Some splendid explosions are preparing—and the thunder and lightning are getting ready. Will Mr. Webster leave the cabinet? Wiil all his friends be turned out of office, when he is not in Washington to save them? Will a general removal from office take place? Will Captain Tyler be able to supplant Van Buren, and rend into pieces the “fierce democracie” by letting them smell the spoils? Will Congress pass any usefal law, or end in ageneral row? Will there be an extra session of the new Congress call- edby the Captain, in order to demolish their influ- ence and power, ashe did that of the present Con- gress by the former extra session? All these ques- tions must soon be solved. Captain Tyler is ina position to play a bold, and perchance a successful game for the next Presidency—but we doubt whether he or his “ guard” have the wit or the wis- dom—the prudence or the philosophy, to take the best direction. The chances are that Mr. Clay will, in the end, receive the advantage of the Cap- tain’s seductive operations upon the “fierce de- mocracie.” It would be a droll result—but yet very natural. Inexcusaste Neouect.—The ears containing the mail on the New Jersey Railroad line, did notarrive inseason on Saturday morning, and from agentleman who came passenger, we learn that one of the wheels broke, and occasioned a delay of over three hours, simply for want of a crow bar, axe, or jack serew, to raise them up. Nothing of the kind was en board, nor to be had short of de- taching the locomotive and running it several miles toa farm house for a crow bar. The ladies and others sitting there for more than three hours per- ishing with cold. Hereafter it would be well for travellers oa this route to provide themselves with axes and crowbars in order tobe ready for any acci dent that may occur Rozina Mwapows, tae Vir.acr Mab, on THE Temptations UnvEI:ED—A Story of City Scenes and Every Day Life, by W. B. English. Price 124 cents. For sale at this office NINK DAYS LATER FROM FRANCO! Opening of the Chamber of Deputics= King’s Speech—Iliness of the King of Swe- den and Prince Royal- Increased Privi- leges to the Jews in Poland—Bombard- ment of Barcelona—Riot at Nantes—Pope’s Mission to China—State of the Markets, The fast sailing packet ship Burgundy, Captain Wotten, from Havre, arrived last evening. She sailed on the 17th ult., bringing Paris papers to the evening of the 16th. Orentne oF THE CHAMBERS.—A little after one o’clock, the arrival of the Queen, who, with her suite, had preceded the king, was announced. Her Majesty appeared on this occasion out of mourning, and wore a white bonnet with ostrich feathers. She looked pale, but in good health. Madame Adelaide and the Princess Clémentine accompanied;her Ma- Jesty. Immediately afterwards M. Thiers entered, and was warmly saluted by his friends. At one o’clock the cannon of the Invalids gave notice that the King had left the Tuileries, and in about a quarter of an hour afterwards the noise of drums salu- ted his Majesty’s arrival. The next moment an usher announced “the King,” and at once the whole assembly rose spontaneously to receive him. His Majesty ascended the steps with a firmstep. He was dressed in the uniform of a Colonel of the Na- tional Guards, and looked remarkably well. The King having intimated to the Chambers to be seated, read in a firm voice the following speech, which we give in French :— jeurs les Pairs, Messieurs les Députés— ‘affection et 1g ‘sympathie de la France ont soutenu mon courage. Le cour toujours navré, mais plein de cen- fiance dans votre dévofiment, en vous appelant moi-méme ireprendre le cours de von travaux, hei youlu achever aujourd’hui ce que ma douleur m’avait forcé de laisser in- complet 4 Youverture de votre session. Vous avez beaucoup fait pour la sécurité et ’avenir dela France. Je vousen remercie en son nom. Quelles que soient nos épreuves, moi et les miens nous consacrerons a son service tout ce que Dieu nous accerdera de force et de A lafaveur de ordre et de la paix, la prospérité natio- nale,stteatée par le rapide acorolssement da reyenu public, se déploie au dela des plus favorables espérances. Le ferme empire des lois est le gage Je plus sir du bien-étre de tous comme de la force de }’état, et la conviction, par- tout établie, que les lois seront jusement exécutées, rend moins fréquent ’emploi de leur sévérité. Je me feli- cite que nous eyons ateint cet heureux révultat. J'ai laconfiance que notre prospérité suivre son cours, sans interruption et sans obstacle. Mes relations avec les puissances étrangéres continuent d’étre pacifiques et ami- cales. L’accord des puissances a affermi le de i’Orient et étiennes, le ré. amené, en Syrie, pour les populations c! ' a ra ration conferme i leur foi et a tablissement d’une adminis! leur veu, Je déplore les troubles qui ont récemment agité PEs- yne. Dans mes relations avec la monarchie espagnole, je n’ai en vue que de proteger nos iégitimes interets, de garder a la reine Il Isabelle II une amitié fidéle,et de témoi- gner pour les droits de Vhumanité ce respect secourable qui honore le nom de la France. (Approbation.) Par la prise de possession des Iles Marquises, j'ai assuré anos navigateurs, dans ces mers ines, un appui et un refuge dont la néoessité Ctait depuis long-tems sentie. Grace aux efforts persévé le notre brave armée, no- tre domination dans l’Algés levient partout stable et respectés, La vigilance et la regularite de administra- tion achéveront Veuvre si glorieusement poursuivie par le vowrage de nos soldats, Pai ouvert avec plusieurs états des negociations qui auront pour effet dimprimer A notre agriculture, ii notre commerce et & notre industrie un Plus aotif essor, de pro- curer nos intéréts nationaux des facilites nouvel! Les lois de finances-et divers projets de loi destinés a opérer, dans notre législation et notre administration, des iorations importantes, vous seront incessamment ntes. Messieurs, le monde est en La France est libre, active et heureuse. J'ai eu et j’aurai pour but, jusqu’s mon dernier jour, d’assurer ces’ biens dma patric. Crest avec votre constant et loyal concours que j’y ai réussi. ‘Vous m’aiderez 4 maintenir, & coasommer notre euvre commune. Ce sera pour tous la plus digne récompense, et pour moi la seule consolation que je puisse désormais espérer. At the words “‘sympathie de la France,” the king’s voice faltered for a moment, but the applause | of the chamber soon restored his self-possession. The king raised his voice when speaking of the rapid improvement in the Public Revenue, and | looked round with an air betokening a feeling of satisfaction. His Majesty also pronounced the pa- Tragraph reterring to Spain with a raised voice, and | load anplaupe followed the succour given in the name of France. If this sitting was distingu'shed for less marked enthusiasm than the last, it equalled it in cordiality; there was something about the king's reception to- tally unlike the usual conan. Rear-Admiral Hamelin has been appointed Major General of Marine at Toulon. _ A female émeute, attended with more noise than danger, took place at Nantes in the beginning of the week, in consequence of an augmentation of rent being laid on the stalls in the et place. A letter from Semlin, Dec. 26th, announces the escape from prison of the late Servian Minister, Rajewitsch, with seventeen other prisoners, who have all taken refuge on the Austrian territory. Twenty-four had also escaped from prison at Bel- garde, and taken refuge at Semlin. were seven Primates of Bulgaria. ; Algiers. The “ Moniteur Algerien ” announces the arrival | of the Duke d’Aumale at Blidah, on the 27th of De- cember, with the troops under his command. Ge- neral Bar, who went out to make arrangements with the Prince, returned on the 28th to Algie: sees (Shee Raudon and General Négrier ha: arrived. . At Algiers, on the 24th December, the Jews were | in a state of apprehension, from an affirmation having been published by a learned Isrealite, that, according to a prophecy, the town was to be de- stroyed by an earthquake at six in the morning of the next day. Several wealthy families passed the night in tents under the trees in the country. This panic extended even to the Museulman population. About twenty years ago a similar superstition pre- vailed, and caused all the Jews of Algiers to emi- grate. Amongst them Spain. General Seoane at Barcelona, ordered that half the amount of the forced contribution should be paid by the merchants, and the other half by the regular tax-payers—that is, one-half on the mercan- tile and manulacturing interests, and the other half on fand and house property. ee} It is known that amongst the buildings eet on fire during the bombardment of Barcelona, was that containing the archieves of Catalonia. The fol- owing account will show how great the loss of these documents must be in an historical point view. There were collected three charters and acts of the early courte of Barcelona from the year 844, and documents relating not only te the Pro- vince ef Catalonia and the courts of Roussillon and Cerdagns, but to the kingdoms of Arragon, Valen- cia, jorea, Sardinia, Sicily, and Naples. There ‘0 deposited there the Cia oon papers of the ‘General, in fifty volumes, from those held at rpeeee by Peter IV., in 1350, to those held by Philip V. at Barcelona, in 1702. There were 17,- 640 documents, written on papyrus, parchment, or cotten paper. Those on parchment or paper were rolled up separately. The registers begun in 1214, were concluded in 1808, and comprised 28 reigns, from James I. to Charles{V. The learned Capma- ny affirms, in the preface of the fourth volume ot hi Mémoires Historiques sar Barcelona, that the ar- chieves of the crown of Arrogon were the most me- morable in Europe, if their antiquity, goed preserva- tion, extent, variety, aud importance were taken in- to consideration. Belgium. The Commerce mentions a rumcr that a Minister Plenipotentiary, charged with a special mission, has been sent ae Regent of Spain to the King of the French. ‘The loan of fourteen millions of franes for the city of Brussels, has been taken by the Société A Panel de Vindustrie of that city, at the rate of pet cent. The contract hasbeen ap- proved by the King of Belgium. P plates’ send y The Pope contemplates sending an Apostolic Vicar to China, at the request of the Catholics in that country. Sweden. We leara from Stockholm, December 23, that the king has been indisposed. The Prince Royal is also ill,and is following the hydropathic system. A change of Ministry, the motive of which is not sta- ted, is spoken of in Sweden. Poland . A report was current at Warsaw, that the execu- tion of the ienperial Ukase, respecting the military s service of the Israelites, had been ordered to be suspended. Broce Bx January Ibe Prices have slightly ad. ck ExcHanoe, January 15.—-Prices have slight! 4 vanced. Yor cash. Fives have risen 200; ‘threes 16¢; Kew Hai retain onvardca “pew Sac) orenguce, and emain unvaried. Fy and Threes have advanced tbe,. 24! the moath, Fives Havas Corton Manuer, Jan. 16—The transactions in cotton were small, out at the latest hourthere was a de- mand of near 1000 ales. On the Saturday previous the sales reached 1284 bales, of which 678 were Louisiana, at rates from 64,50 to £77, and 616 bal 173,50. On the 16th the sales were4s4 bales Poin 157,50 to 184,60, and 601 bales at 61 to{78. Batt or tHe Hrerew Bengvotent Society.—This annual movement “on the light fantastic toe” of trae charity is given to-night, at Niblo’s famous saloon. Jt is worth full @5, to go and see the dark-eyed daughters of Israel in the dance—but, in consequence of the hard times, it is put down at #1. Go by all means. anp Recovery or wis Wirr--Tax ROMANCE oF Rea Livg.—We have published in the Herald, and it was generally expected by the public, that the packet schooner Empire, from Norfoik, would ar- rive yesterday, with Charles F. Miller and wife on beard. Accordingly, officers A. M.C. Smith, P. B. Walker, and B. F. Parker, together with se- veral others, whose names we shall mention, were on the most vigilant look out for the vessel. Both of the opposing parties—the Miller party, as we are informed, and the wife’s party, had pilot boats in their employ—pilot boat No. 10 by the wite’s party, and pilot boat No. 2 by the Miller party. [This, however, isdenied by the Miller party.) Both these boats have beem on the look out for the last week. No. 1@ had been down the bay fortwo days and two nights with officer Parker, Mr. Seeley, Stephen Healy, and Jas. L. Smith on board. She had been prevented from coming up earlier on account of the wind and ice. She succeeded, however, in getting up yesterday morning about half past ten o’clock ; and while she was hastily engaged in taking in wood and other necessaries, and about fifteen minutes af- ter she touched the wharf, the cry was raised— “ There she comes!” meaning the schooner Empire. Such a running and scramb!ing for them boats.— Smith and Walker run one way,and Parker another. Parker got ahead at pier No. 2 East river, and suc- succeeded in getting on board the Empire a short distance before she touched the wharf. She hauled in at pier No. 14, where all the officers got on board. Mr. Mills and Mr. Blackwell, the brother of Mrs. Miller, as also Mr. Gordon, and his Honor the Mayor were immediately sent for. The two former gentlemen went to the schooner, but not the two latter. As A.M. C, Smith had been informed, both by letter ana verbally, that Mr. C. F. Millerhad said that Smith and himself were together on board of the same cars to Philadelphia, and Smith wasafraid to arrest him for fear that Miller would pitch him out of the windew, Mr. Smith took the earliest moment of informing Mr. Miller ef the fact—(who denied it)—and of searching him for any weapons ; none, however, were found. Mr. and Mrs. Miller were then placed in a sleigh and taken to the Halls of Justice. On arriving at the Tombs, the parties got out of the sleigh, and, as we are informed by one ofthe officers, Mr. Miller offered his arm to his wife, which she declined, but took the arm of her brother, Mr. Blackwell. She remained a few mi- nutes at the Tombs, when she left with his Honor the Mayorand underhisprotection,to make some change in her dress and get ready for the examination at half-past three, before Justice Stevens. It was in this interim that we arrived and found Mr. Miller in one of the {private offices under charge of some of the officers. In personal appearance, Mr. Charles F. Miller exhibits quite the beaw ideal of the hero of aromance. He is some 25 or 30 years of age, tall, erect, with a full bust, black hair and eyes, whiskers upon his chin, and although a smile twinkles upon his face when he apeaks, yet no one can fail te no- tice that his countenance, voice, and whole de- meanor indicates a bold, fearless, resolute, and determined man. His hand is unusually large, and he looks as if he knew well how to use it, either offensively or defensively, although there is no look of the ruffian about him. In some conversation with him, he remarked, “* They waked up the wrong person when they un- dertook to separate me and my wife—we lived to- gether happily for seven years, till her friends began to play off thisgame about eleven months ago. Since that time they have wholly disaffected her mind.” While she lived with me she was welland hearty as any person ever need to b@ but in the eleven months that they have had her, she has all pined away. She says they told her,and she believed ft too that all I wanted of her was to killher. The affair has made a great noise , somebody will have the benefit of it—it sits as well on me as on any one. The best of the joke is, that when we put back into Norfolk to land the negroes, some of the officers went on shore, and the people all flocked round them to inquire if I hadn’t killed my wife, thinking that such was the fact, and that that was the reason why the Empire had put back, to deliver me upto justice.’* Speaking of the interference of Captain Green, and one ortwo other officers of the navy, Mr. Miller ob- served—“ I told the two captains that if they want- ed their wives to be widows, they had better inter- fere between me and my wife. I'd have made wi- dows of ’em very quick, if they had have done it— and I told them so in the presence of their wives. I went well prepared for them—I had the right in- struments. The man han’t been maile yet that can frighten me—I was never afraid since I was born. “* What is the origin of all this difficulty ?” “Tt has all come from that $20,000 :note which Mr. Wells gave me three years ago. Her friends don’t want to have it paid out of the estate. It was a bona fide note, and I publicly spoke of it’ imme- diately after it was given to me. My wife always had the care of the note—her friends, however, get it from her and destroyed it, and then made her be- lieve it was a forgery, and that if she did not expese it, we should both be hung. But I’ll see them all in purgatory before I’ll give up one cent of the note, which now amounts to over $24,000, (including in- terest,we suppose.) Mr. Miller saidthe Empire sailed from Norfolk on the 8th instant, put bac the Ith, and sailed again on the 12th, Sunday week. He said to his brother-in-law, Bokee, (who came into the Tombs to see him) ‘‘ Coleshas gone to the West Indies; he said he’d ge, being he’d started, whether I’d go or not.” Speaking of his {| case generally, and the law applicable to it, Mr. Miller said he had been reading the law upon the subject for the last eleven months, and he under- stood it well. At halt-past three o’clock, his Honor the Mayer, accompanied by Mr. Jordan, arrived, and we pro- ceed to give Tue Exasanation Bevore Justice Stevens, AT THE or Justicr. Sunpay, 19th Feb—Present, His Honor the Mayor; Mr. Jordan, Counsel for Mrs. Miller and friends; Mr. Evarte, for Mr. Miller and friends; Mr. Mills; Frederick A. Bokee, brother-in Iaw of Charles F. Miller, and several others, but not Mrs Charles F' Miller, the wife. Justice Stevens called for the testimony for the pro Tne MM fered ti ‘The Maron offered a purporting to be the de tion of Mra, Charles F. Miller. Mr. Rvsnre ssid that bles Miller had been subjacnaed. The Mayor.—Mrs, Miller cannot appear in evidence for her husband. she can only a ir against him. She is now my protection, and I intend to take care of her. Mr. Jonvaw —1 understand that she has appealed to the Mayor for the protection of the civil authorities of this city. As to this paper, we shall read it in evidence, if i is Recessary. | We will examine Mr. Holley. Wa. H. Houuey sworn,—Ma Evants.— addrossed to the witness) the warrant on whic! was arrested ou (not ir. Mil 7 ‘The warrant was producer] by Officer Panxen. Wirness—[Examined hy Mr. Jonvan)—I live in Stam- ford, Ct.; I know Charles #. Miller; 1 know his wile from rej only; I have seen her to-da he scl er called the Empire, sail to last saw Mrs. Miller, tee to-day, on at the ee kept by Albert Serley, at Stamford. [The witness here went on to detail the circumstances of Mrs. Miller’s abduction Wy her husband, at Stamford, last January—almost precisely as he relatea it on his re- cent examination before the Mayor, and which we have heretofore fully ald.) In the midst of examination, his Honor the Mayor inquired if it were not better to have Mrs. Miller herself present. This was deemed ex; t, and Mr. Morris weaney left for Mrs. Miller. In the course of 20 or 30 minutes he returned, bringing with him the heorine of this interesting romance. A reat crowd (for s0 small a room) was present, and we found it impossible to get a good view of her, the more es- pecially as she wes enveloped in acloak which concealed herform. $1 appeara quite young, and her face is decidedly handsome. She looked pale, and rather downeast. A better man than even Mr. Charles F. Miller might be deeply interested in her without repr n. She was sworn immediately on entering the roo: Mrs. Cuarces ¥. Micra. By Mr. Jonpax—Are you the wife of Mr. Miller? irs. Mittxn—I am the wife of Charles F. Miller. separate from your Mr. Jonpan—Have you been liv! husband for any length of time Mrs. Mitten—| been living separate from him for an——-Did you separate from him voluntarily or involuntarily ? é Mrs. Mincen—I was nat influenced in separating from bim by any one. ; M Where did you live after your separation ? I lived at first at Yonkers , afterwards at ‘With whom did —L lived at Mrs. ou live in Connecticut 7 yy ts at first, until Octo- 8th of January : De van—Did you live there voluntarily of involun- Mae. Mii ea—! lived there of my own choice. I boa I should be more secure, and I wished to be away from the family, 60 98 not to be influeneed by them. Mr. Jonpan—When did you leave Connectiout Mra. Mu.txa—I left Connecticut on the 26th of January last. Mr. Jonpan—Did you leave by ferce or otherwise ? Mrs. Miter.—I left by force. Mr. Jonpan.—By‘whom were you taken away ? Mrs. Miuixn—By my husband, Mr. Miller. Mr. Jonpan.—Was he aided by any other persons ? end if so, by whom? Mrs. Mi.ugn.—He was aided by one person of the name of Brown, amd by the driver; I presume there were Ln ns chest ihe what time of day were you taken awa: Mrs. Mittes.—It was about 11 o’clock in the morning ; I cannot say precisely. Mr. Jonpan.—Did 1 you resist being taken away 1 Mrs, Mi.iea.—I did all I could to prevent being taken away. Mr. Jonpax.—Were yeucarried out of the house ? Mrs. Mitten.—I was. 1 id Jonpan.—Who took hold of you to aid Mr. Mil: er " Yrs. Micuen.—I don’t know that any one took hold of me except Mr. Miller, and Mr. Brown, who loosened my hands from the bannisters. Mr. Jonpan.—What vehicle were you put into ? Mrs. Mitier.—A barouche—It steod on the opposite side from Seely’s Hotel—] was carried across the street by Mr. Miller. Q.—How were you dressed ? A-—I had on @ morning dress—nothing else, There was a hood and cloak in the barouche, but I did not put them on, because I thought 1 could be more easily traced without them. Ahi you conscious during that time, or did you faint A.—I was perfectly conscious of my state and condi- n. Q.—Did"you make any outcry ? AI did; Lealled for help; but I stopped my cries for help sometime before we got to Harlem pees) I though it was of no use ; I received no aid ; I thought they took me for a crazy woman, who was going to the Asylum. Q.—Did you call to any particular person for aid ? A.—I petitioned to the driver for help, but he told me he knew 1 was crazy or I would not scream und cry 80. Q.—‘Were you driven from Stamford slow or fast ? A.—Fast. The fast driving continued till wo got to New York, as fast as the horses could come—it might not have been so fast all the way. vag Where were you taken when you arrived in New or! A.—When we arrived in New York, the barouche was driven into Mr. Miller’s father’s stable. This was about 4 o'clock, P.M. The stable isin the rear of the house, andI wascarried by Mr. Miller from there to the house. ‘How long were you kept there in the house ? A-—Till early in theevening. I was taken away from the house in a cab, Q.—Who went with you? A.—Mr. Miller and his sister: Q—Do you know who drove the cab? A.—I don’t know who drove the cab. Q.—Where were you taken? A.—I was taken to Miss Weller’s,in Dominick street,and remained there two or three days. Q.—Did you remain voluntestiy at either Mr. Miller’s or Miss Weller’s, A.—I was perfectly passive—because I thought it was of no use to be otherwise, and remained passive because | hed frequently asked foraid and did’nt receive it, and supposed it was ho; My continuance at these places was by constraint, Tthought I should be pursued immediately, and it would be useless. 1 made no attempt for those reasons. I was locked at night at Miss Wel- ler’s. I can’ say as to the day time. I was taken from Miss Weller’s in a carriage te the depot on the oppesite side of the river. Mr. Miller and two gentle- men, (Mr. Craig, and Mr. Bruce, 1 think,) accompanied me. We got into the cars afew miles beyond Jersey City. We proceeded on to Philadelphia. C: and Bruce left us of Philadelphia—t and Mr. Miller went on. From Phi ladelphia we took the railroad to Baltimore the next morning==from Baltimore to Norfolk by steamboat. Mr. Coles accompanied us, I think, when the cars started from Jersey City--I noticed him at Newark, and he went with us to Norfolk. Q.—Did you go voluntarily or involuntarily? A.—I was perlectly e. 1 went against my wishes. I wished to go home, but as 1 could not go home, it was immaterial to me where| went. I think we were in Nor. folk about a week. We put upat French’s Hotel. I did not communicate to any one that I was travelling against at Norfolk I communicated to Mr. Coles my situation, (being with Mr.Miller against my will,) noone else knew it for some days. It was my hus- band’s intention to take me to the West India islands—the Island of Martinique. He told me that such was his in- tention on the second or third day after we arrived at Norfolk; I think that he talked about it before we got to Nerfolk. [consented togo with Mr. Miller to the West Indies, because he told me that | might return immediately afterwards to my friends, and he would then let me go for ever. ‘Q.—Why did you not go with him? B jecause I thought there was something going on that I didn’t understand, and [had rather return ; and then I asked protection from gentlemen im the heuse, at French’s Hotel. ‘Q —Who were these gentlemen you speak of? A-—Captain , Captain liner, and Mr. Hunter, allofthe Navy. They saidthey would protect me, and that Ishowld not go unless I went voluntarily. There was a good deal of conversation there between these offi- cers and Mr. Miller. Mr. Miller ultimately consented te return with me to New York. I was present at some of the interviews between Mr. Miller, and all three of those Navy Officers. On one occasion I went into the parlor, and found Mr. and these gentlemen were there. They wished to know if I felt safe to return with Mr. Miller to New York? Itold them thatIdid. Mr. Miller said he only wished to be assured that J was acting from myfown impulees, and not inflnenced by my friends at N. ¥ ese gentlemen informed me, that the: quested the Captain of the Empire that he would hav eyeon me, and land me safe in New York. It w: Yonkers that I first told Mr. Miller that 1 should leave him ; afterwards I told him so at Sing Sing publicly, and also at a private interview ; and that I was not influenced by my friends. After that he attempted to carry me off by force. This was last month. The affidavit which I then gave (published in the Herald) as I then understood, and now understand, contains the factstruly. I did not first consider it safe to live with him ; but since [ have been with him now, he having treated me kindly, and oitered me‘no herm, I don’t think he would offer me any bodily harm, although I could not be happy to live with him. He has made no threats since he has been with me this time, but if I left him, he has said he ween a me in. He said he wouldsue any person for harboring me. Mr. Miller said he should be revengetul against my friends if I did not return to New York with him. Q.—Is st your wish or intention to live with Mr. Miller not? bi I shall never live with him. Q—Is that your unbiased determination, notwithstan- Genoveey influence that ites been brought to bear upon a yo A—Itis. Q—Do you believe it would be safe fer you to live with him as his wife, unless you complied with his wishes, and particularly in regard to a certain $20,000 note? Mr. \iiller’s counsel objected to the question. Judge Stevens decided that the question should be stricken out. Q—Do you consider it safe for youto remain with him as his wife, unless you complied with his wishes ? A.—No, I do not think he would be kind if I would live with him, unless I complied with his hes, though I do _ ee ler that my life would be in danger, as I tormer- did. 7Q— what has altered your opinion asto your life being in danger? A.—Because frequent Ke wb have recently offer- ed, and he has evinced no disposition to injure me, except compelling me to go with him. Q.—Has he expressed any wish to you as to the course he wished you should take relative to a certain $20,000 note that he pretends to hold against your Uncle Wells? A.—He wished me to confirm it if were asked the ques- tion if it was given. Q.—Did you consent to do so? A—No, I did not. Q.—Have you ever consented ? A.—No, | have not. Q.—Did be ever make any threats against you if you exposed the transactions relati ? .--He did at first—he mi were stated in my former affidavit, but he has never made any since. Q.—Have you disclosed to any one whether thet note was genuine or not? .—I never spoke of it until after the death of my uncle, and when I found he would nut give it up, I told my fa- my wishes, On arriving mily. { then told them it was a forged nute. I spoke of it as a forgery within my own knewledge; my husband said my uncle gave the noteto himself and me, but ashe did not give it in my presence, { said it was aforgery; I never was present when such a note was given. Q—Did ae state anything relative to his confessions at the time A—I did. Mr. Mil! counsel objected to questions relative to the note, it had nothing to do with the abduction of Mrs. Miller. Mr. Jonpas replied that she had ai he could net live with him in peace, and he wished to show the causes; he did intend to ask whether that note was a fo1 or not, and that there was an eternal breach between them, such that could not be healed. Mr. Evants united that the only question before the Justice was whether Mr. Miller was guilty of abduction or not, and not whether the note wasa Mr. Jonvan replied that a public 1 ile his wife could live together as man and and that he would not commit personal violence on her n. Mr. Evanrs replied that there were a great many pub- lic notions on this subject which were not Jegal notions. Q.—What did you state relative to this confession 7 A—I eet that he had forged this note for $20,000 on my uncle. Crossexamined by defence.—I arrived in town to-day about 12 o'clock. | was travelling with my husband—he was bringing me home to my friends—if we arrived in the day time he was to take me home at once. If we ar- rived at night we were to stay at some hotel and go upin the morning. My brother, James Blackwell, came on board the ship before wecame up. If my brother had not been th should have gone up under the protection of my husband. I came up with my brother, husband and an officer. I told the officer that Mr. Miller had ‘ised to see me safe home, and I believed he would. en | saw my brother, I preferred going with him. I did not tell my husband that 1 would ken and for him to in a week after m wished me to d stay a week, and then return and live with hit ight; but I refused to make such arrangement. I told him that we had been together so long that he could see I was acting under no influence, except my own inclinations. Q —Did you make the comp! on which your husband was Mr. Jonpaw objected tothe answer, as the written com: plaint was on the table. Justice Stevens admitted it. ‘Ans.—No, I did not, és ata your husband arrested at your request or de- re: Tmade no such int against your husband rd, Until the was very kind by all of Idid y themthatT wasunder restraint and’ wished to leavethe house; they saw the wane came, and that was sufficient. 1 had a conversation with Mr. Miller’s father, at the time, which was the same as published in the Herald in the evi- before the Mayor. It was poriectly immaterial to mewhere| went; I wished to go home, andif 1 could not go there I aid not care where fPwent There was a pro- Po ne emer aera law Mn. "ay gr ‘Miss Weller’s. Imadeno choice between them; | was treated well at Miss Weller's. i Q—Did you, while you werent Miss Weller’s, state that you were A —One morning, when Mr. Miller wes sick, I said if I should go now, I Ibatiaved bh wweaia ve ofan tees T said this seriously. Mr. Miller was quite sick that morning; he was in bed in the middle of the day; 1 showed him no other care or Ein doees than to ask if he was better; I ex- t quite late; I never at: tempteu to leave the house; I wrote to my mother and aunt while I was there, but I do not know whether receiy- ed the letters; I did not state where I was, because Mr. Mil- ler saw the letter; I wrote to let them know that I was alive and tolerably well; the testimony of the Miss Wel- lera, as published in the Herald, is correct; they supposed that I was more cheerful than I really felt; I presume the outside door of the house was kept locked all the time; J was left alone but a few moments during the time; my husband and myaclf were locked in the room we were in at Miss Weller’s, and the key taken out of the door on the outside; | sup 1 was not allowed to have the keys of our room, aud! did not ask for them; T told the Miss Wellers how sick I had been in Connecticut, how alarmed 1 was when Mr. Miller came after me; I stated to them that I had not becn happy there, as 1 was under constant fear; I told them I received anony- joe se letters; one of raetehen oes igre Mr. bale to er persoa, pul ing tl ir. 0 was coming after me; and another Polated to Mr. Holley, my lawyer, which was very indelicate; 1 told the Mies Wellers that I screamed during the first part of the ride, because I had ipposed that he inten either to shoot me or put ‘in a dungeon when he got me; I also told them that from conversations with my husband I did not believe that he ha he ope intention. My husband suid before we left Miss Weller’s, that we were going to Ido not recollect that IsaidI should like said there was no difference where I went— is tims sey expectmieas were to go with my husband ould go, as I presumed I should have to go. atu wherever he sl I gave no i gecyenh during oe gee ay, Fle | ainst my will, except whet io Mr. ; Hid him thet I'zhould not go with Mr. Miller if Teould help myself—but that if I went he could get me back in, aru said T and therefore I might as well go first as last; Mr. ht. go, but he would be after me ogain; this was said in a jesting way, but he meant it, { by suppose. as there at any time spy srrengenest entered into between you to live ther for a leagth of time to see if you could settle your difficulties? ‘A.~-Several propositions were made by him which I did not consent te. I agreed to go to the West Indies with him rovided he would bring me back at once. I was induced fo go, because he said if I did not he would take me from « y friends, but if I did, he would let me alone afterwards. ¢ said that my health would be benefited by the sovage My health has been about thesamesince I have been with « y husband. Mr. Miller stated that the reason he took me {ro m Stamford that he wished me to act without the biasof my friends, and when he was sure that I acted ithout their ioflueuce, he would be satisfied. 1 have reason to believe, from his recent conduct, that he intended tuat I should remain with him by persuasion, and not by torce. While at Nerfoik we lived the same as any other persons at public hotels. We were there one week. I 91 lied to the naval gentleman at Norfolk, but not until thought that I should be compelled to go. Thad consented to goto the West Indies. I applied to Captains Gardner and Green, and Mr. Hunter. I asked them to give me protection to see that I was not compelled to go unless wished. There wasno attempt to compel me te go that I know of. I went on board the vessel with the intention of going to the West Indies. 1 went in the afternoon and left herthe same day. Mr. Miller’s father came on board and said that they were uneasy about me at the house, juggested that it was best for to back to New . 1 did not alter my plan of going to the ‘West Indies on account of Mr. Miller’s suggestion, It was owing to my thinking that I would not be able to return gehe'had promiseu me. Mr.Miller’s father offered to bring me back by himself at this time. Ipreferred coming in a ket. Peg Were you desirous of convincing Mr. Miller that you were not acting under the influence of your friends ? A.--I was, and that was the reason that I preferred coming with him to staying at Norfolk. 3 Q—Were you at that time willingto remain with him for some time fer the purpose of convincing himthat he po gaps in supposing that you were influenced solely by your friends: ‘A.—I was willing to remain with hima few days, on condition that he would let me go forever—because I did not, he said he would take me again ; a week or ten days was the longest he said he required ; he agreed to this condition, which was hisown Tes aero 5 L did agree to stay with him for that length of time ; this agreement has been infringed upon in length of time, but not in an: other way ; this was after I got to Norfolk that this condi- tlon was made ; I have been quite as long from my friends asthis agreement extended, having been 12 days on the water. Q.—Where was it that Mr. Miller made the that a week or ten days would be the lengest sired you to tive with him to satisfy him A—At Norfolk ; 1 in to to the West Indies, and return in ten or twelvedays ; I was to retarn alone, if he desired not to come back with me; hetold methat if there wasa packetthere I might return in it at once ; there was ar. understanding that when he became satis- fied that I acted without the influence of my friends, he was to leave me alone ; he said that the guly way to con- vince him was for me to go with him to the West Indies or come back with him to New York ; I consented to no agreement until! got Norfolk; I expressed» dissent to the agreement made there. Q—What were the reasons that you could not live with your husband and be happy 7 A.—Must that question be answered ? Justice Stevexs—Yes, if they insist upon it A.—The most important reason was on account of the note ; I have no affection for him and have not lived hap. pily with him for many years. Q.—Have you ever stated to Mr. Coles that you did not wish Mr. Miller to get the money from your family ? A.—I stated that I never wished to live with hil he had disgraced himself so ; I said this to Mr. Col ‘Mr. Miller also ; I told him the evening after the funeral of my uncle if he would giveup the note I would over. look every thing el Q.—Have you ever stated to Mr. Coles that it was no- thing but the note—that that was the whole difficulty 7 ‘A.—I do not recollect thst Iever did ; I am positive that Inever did. The defence closed here, and Mr. Jordan asked the fol- lowing question .— Q—Would you have to have staid with him at Norfolk or sny where if he had not said he would take you egain ; and war it not the only reason 7 A.—Yes ; he said it would stop all litigation, all trouble, if | would stay with him as I agreed. Mr. Jonpan-here stated that he believed ho would now conclude the examination of Mrs. Miller. Justice Stevens asked if she intended to sign the exa- mination. Mr. Cavcenpen the clerk stated that it was customary to have it read and it would take an hour to read it. Justice Stxvens said he was compelled to be at his seat in the Police Office at 60’clock in the morning, and he could not remain any longer this evening. The Counsel for defence insisted upon Mrs. Miller sign- ing her statement according to custom, and intimated that she might sign it without per. 9 Mr. Jonoax objected, and said that although it was cus- tomary it was not actually legal. ys This was after reposition Eitthe de. fter d The Mayon said, “ Mrs. Miller, as I teld you when you went to my house to dine to-day, you oan censider your- self under my protection if you desire it, or you can go where you please.” Mr. Mien coquested the privilege of having an inter view with his wife, which Justice Stevens granted. She said she would prefer going with the Mayor, and then went into one of the private rooms attached to the Police Office to bold a conversation with her husband. Justice Stevens then adjourned the examination until 3 o’clock this afternoon, Monday. Mr. Miller was placed in charge of an officer, and Mrs. Miller accompanied the Mayor to his residence. Mvusicat.—To-morrow evei Mra. Sutton and Signor De Begnis, renew the dehghtful evening en- tertainments at Niblo’s, which have occasionally furnished sv much gratification to the pubhe during the present winter. They will be aided by quite a number of very distinguished performers. The sim- ple announcement of such an array of talent is all that is necessary, although we might add that the price of tickets is very greatly reduced. We have the pleasure also of announcing to the public that next month Madame Marencelli will appear again before a New York audience. She is a lady of ermnent talent, and will be greeted with anenthusiastic welcome. Unrrep Srates HoteL.—This celebrated hotel, universally known in former days as Holt’s Hotel, has now passed into the management of Messrs, Braisted and Johnson—gentiemen every way quali- fied to sustain its reputation. When this hotel was first built it was, as it still is, a curiosity upon the continent. It occupies on its base nearly a whole block, being bounded on three sides by Fulton, Pearl, and Water streets. It is constructed of white marble, six stories high, its dome and base- ments making some ten or eleven stories in all. ‘The observatory upon the top aflords, perhaps, the finest view of the city that can be enjoyed from any point. Mr. Holt spent some years and a little fortune, in boring for water down inte Symzonia— but we believe without success; nor isit now of any consequence, as the whole establishment is abun dantly supplied with the pure, immortal, and ever- running Croton. The house has now undergone very extensive and valuable repairs throughout, and will become a favorite resort of merchants from al! parts of the country, whose business lies in the Pear! street quarter of the city. The Eastern merchants, we believe, have always been in the habit of resort- ing to this hotel, And from its convenience on their arrival, and its vicinity to their business, it cannot fail to receive their patronage. 'HE SOUTHERN MAIL. ‘Washington. (Correspondence of the Herald.] Wasutneton, Saturday Nicht, Feb. 18th, 1843, i Bill for Relief of Robert Fulton's Heirs— Jonathan Roberts—Mr. Rives and Anti. Assumption—Hon. Daniel Webster. The business in Congress to-day was not very important. Mr. Rivers’ resolution relative to the assumption of State Debts, were discussed in the Senate; and a bill to relieve the heirs of Robert Fulton has at last passed the House. By the bye, this question of State Debts and As- sumption seems to be grewing into great importance here: In Senate to-day, Mr..Rives’s Anti-Assumption resolutions were taken up, after some unimportant morning business. Mr. Linsser moved to lay the resolutions and jegatived—Yeas 20; amendments on the table. Nays 22. > ir. Barrow said he could neither vote for the resolutions of the Senator from Va. (Mr. Rives), nor of the Senator from Md. (Mr. Merrick). He considered all discussion or action upon the subject atthe present session as useless—as amounting to vothing. This Congress was just closing; it | could ‘not bind the action of the next, and idea, there was a vast amount of impor- tant r business dema: their attention. He declared that he was always ready to vote for a distribution of the proceeds of the public lands pepong ste States, in that way which would most ef- fectually relieve the States, if itbecame neces- sary to anticipate the sales of the public lands, and eh sowmmmment to igor) des tons to Be bow by ae , for i pod of paying their debts,he sto: ready, and should stand neadys to give the proposi- tion is support. But it might not, and he believed it would not, be ne to de this. Mr. lives said he had offered these resolutions with no Siapcastion in the least to obstruct the regu- lar order of businese. He should say nothing of their merits, but simply that he considered them so plain that gentlemen might vote se them without any pretracted discussion at all. He had prepared a sub- stitute for the amendment of the gentleman from ‘Ohio (Mr, Allen) to his resolutions declaring the1m.- ropriety of the issue of government » which ie submitted for that gentleman’s concurrence. Mr. ALLBw expressed amendment was read. Mr. Bucuanan seid that from the number of me- morials presented by him on this subject, and from the appeals made to him by Senators, he might be expected to speak on this question, and he rose to make an apology for no: doing so at the present time. Assoon as his friend from Missouri (Mt. Linn) had carried through his bill for relief of Gen. Jackson, and U ivesaas not till after the Senator from Geor. gia, (Mr. Berrien,) had finished the bankrupt law, he would then present several petition: on the subject from his State, and would ask the Senate to indulge him tor half an hour, or an hour, (and he was sure that as he had been ¢ silent member during the segsion it would be grant ed to him onallsides,) to express his sentiments or this subject. He should not, therefore, go into the discussion now, but would wait the time proposed Mr Bernsen said he did not desire to enter into: discussion of the question. The primary object o the resolutions of the Senator from Virginia, (Mr Rives,) was to procure an expression of the Senate asto the power of the General Government to us sume the debts of the States. If these resolution were not so expressed as to leave open somethin; besides the mere affirmation or denial, he shou\ have no difficulty in voting on them. But whil denying the power of the General Government t assume the debts of the States, they leave it ope for inference that the Senate denies the power o another and different subject—he meant the distr bution of the proceeds of the public lands. He de sired to exclude that inference from these resolv tions. He was prepared to affirm that there wasn constitutional power on the part of the General Gc vernment to assume the debts of the States cor tracted for their own parpeeay but he was not pre pared to say that it had no power todistribute amon them the proceeds of the sales of the public land: He offered the following amendment to the secon resolution :— “ Provided, that nothing in this resolution shall beco: sidered to attirm or deny the right or duty of the Feder. Government to surrender the public lands, or ta distribu the proceeds of the same among the States.” Mr. Bayarp proposed a further amendment, sim larto Mr, Bernien’s, but under the rules, the Pres dent decided it could not be received. Mr CrirrenpEN Bicerte it must now be manife to every Senator, that they could not discuss th question at the present session, and give the resol tions the consideration they demanded. A fe days ago, when there was a full Senate, they he voted not to censider the subject. The resolutio: of the Senator from Virginia, (Mr. Rives) we then ieee to be out of theirreach. But noo: could douht that these resolutions were virtua! embraced in that decision. Virtually they were : postponed, but by some quibble they were aga forced upon them, and had me the subject multiplied amendments. And the resolutions of t! Senator from South Carolina, (Mr. McDuffie) mig just as well be renewed, and made the subject arliamentary order. ‘When were they to end thi. esolution had its limits, it had its appointed cours: but resolutions were nothing but mere abstract p1 positions, calcalated to exhaust the wisdom of C: gress upon the rei Propositions. The Sena from Virginia, (Mr. Rives) in offering these reso tions, had owned that they involved questions of t! most vital importance, and yet he wished the acted upon without debate. The very gent men whe waived discussion on thia subject, we those who admitted to be of the greatest con: bases the opinions contained in the resolutio: they might expect from the gentleman from Vir, nia, who had devoted so much attention to the s ject, some instruction, some explanation ; but wh e waived the discussion, it seemed to impose courtesy upon the others, that they should also ke silence, and vote on the question immediately. T resolutions embraced questions which had be, discussed ty the Am Houses of Congress, a representation here, at least ; and there was to mind something very useless in this attemp' to tablish public opinion upon the subject, by means legislative action. . What was their effect? J they establish public opinion? No, they had | permanent political effect whateyer—they were the idle winds. Were they a society of ro di, to manufacture creeds und opinions for the p 4 1 He could see no other object in this moveme jut was it lawful—was it practicable? Did Se tors expect by their votes to govern the sentime of the country and the world? He knew no ot effect that could be expected from this course _ GC. said he did not propose to enter into the di sion of these resolutions now, but he was prepa’ to investigate, and vote upon them, whene: in the course of hig duty, it should bec: right and proper for him to do so. But he | not intend that any gentleman or set of gen men should make a guard for him or m out his course of conduct. He had no opin that he was not willing any gentleman sho know, none whatever, and he never had had o, And as fer his upinion on this subject, he belie that this gevernment was under no obligat whatever to assume the e debts. He belie that the faith of this government was not pled; with them in the slightest degree. He hoped t the day was far distant when such a case we arise as to make it neceseary to determine whet they had the constitutional power to doit or) He would not say that a case might not arise. exigency of which would not call upon then save the Union, by paying the obligations ot his concurrence, and the States, or assisting to relieve them from their barrassments. Was any gentleman prepared say that? Did these resolutions declare {t was enough for him to act for the present,- decide when the case arises. He had not that of confidence in himself to know that he coul ways anticipate the future with sufficient clear and accuracy, as now to form opinions w chould guide him in any exigency which m arise. This wasan airy and unproductive subje: productive of nothing but consumption of time debate, and he should vote against its consid tion—against the resolutions and all the amr ments. dik Mr. Baony favored the comitdasitet of the det ded to the protracte ussion at a prev, aon of similar “ abstract resolutions” introdi by the illusions Leese oe of Mr. C.,and cha n that genuleman’s friends inconsistency in o tog this debate. su , MeDurrir proposed farther amendment tearing that the Congress of the wena St have no power to assume the debts contractec the States for their own purposes, by the issu, stock or in any other way, and that it would expedient so to do. ‘ r. CONRAD moved to postpone the whole sul! tae first Moaday of December next. this motion, action upon this subject, and ign of himself and friends to brin| the subject daily until acted upon. | Mr. Cat.noun was as strong, and perhaps a s' er. opponent of assumption than any other man lieved the plan of the issue of 200 millioi stack, to be of infinite evil; the government |, would not meet it—the customs must be dr upon, and the question would finally be one of rect taxation. They ought "to give a respons, the petitions received on the subject, and to pu record their conviction of the unconstitution and im bility of such an act, Mr. Anonen was eye from the indicat Lt already exhibited, that any attempt to ex; * opinions on the subject without disowmtoh ft