New Britain Herald Newspaper, February 20, 1915, Page 6

NEW BRITAIN DAILY HERALD, SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 20, 1915, .medium in and press jvertisers. on sale at Hota- _St. and Broad- ; Board Walk, Hartford depot. fcaLLs. ASSESSORS: jcans. are taking ction in the Brd of assessors have passed res ast three mem- /that they be This is the ren been a sug- turn to the old hose officinls. hr years each! lppointed each jhose term Bengston and amendment is at he must re- pmber who has d vet the name lest there be a later. as a rule have he republican b fear of losing . sufficient, to h charter to re- de for the elec- e people is a are asking just ‘a capable offi- ent for popu- e weakened on ite an issue the B had thrust hes to meet the mericans de- lbe tempted to ative commit- pose the pro- ng to have the emain as they a political is- he work of the iething that ev- t about when it the number of ex- FAVORED. ‘Walsh, of the ptions comms- ‘mind at philanthrop- established d John D. ‘with menace by - dint. of [t the two eniin- of his misgiv- igest says that . two multimil- mmission on the interested the who further P sentiments ex- pen as remark- jin their appear- hen the chuck teel king was B replied that it ' as much as he ler and more re- Standard Oil hed about the underlying the e has endowed, sole motive un- foundations has been tie p of his for- fellow men. e two capi- assertions of pfidence that no fesult from their tich are under pes of ability and to governmental ally, both form- f labor expressed ring as a solu- istrial problems, " laboring men's some 0 are working their millio: Bnefit the public o grilling just ing their philan- vith vicious lves, seems to the ald to be unjust. mes and The dgels for the dis- and come to the efeller, Carnegie . And The Inde- tully considered § out that the American bene- investigation nas Hented care to fix lodge joth purposes and 18 or ultimate timitation, «u¢ frustees are. indecd, given ‘great power bhut the activities whieh they are charged to further are Of such a nature that the light of pub- & | little something to make the train ser- _H'el'ty and the restraining force of pub- Hc opinion must at all times fall morselessly upon them. re- Thus dispos- ing of the more general and supérii- cial objections raised against the great foundatons, The Independent goes on to call attention to their real worth. So far, the largest expenditure has been made to promote education and scientific search. Of the service, it Is asserted that no such sys- tematic prosecution of promising 1o- quiries has ever been attempted has been made by the Carnegie insti- tution and the Rockefeller institute. And on the educational side a new spirit of -earnestness, efficiency, busi- nesslike attention to finances, and re- sponsibility for results has been put into’ American colleges and universi- ties by the vigorous-minded men who have’ conducted the activities of the General Education board. PANAMA-PACIFIC EXPOSITION. The opened today and for the balance Panama-Pacific exposition of the vear the eye of the traveller, real | and prospective, will be turned toward The great exposition comes at a time when the patronage California. must necessarily come from this coun- try alone. shut out a large number from across the water who wotlld otherwise visit the show, just as thousands of Ameri- cans visited the Paris Exposition number of years ago. This, however, The European war will a will give Americans an opportunity to see their own country which contains as much interest, historic and other- wise, as any ‘other country and more | than most countries. The trip from the east will 'be a long one and the cost will be somewhat more than the ordinary person with two weeks vaoa- tion can afford or can conveniently ar- range for, but there will nevertheless be many who will go from this sec- tion, while the attendance will be very large from the west and Pacific slope. Some have been heard to say they propose to make the trip through the Panama canal, in honor of the com- pletion of which the exposition is be- ing held. Tt is surely a great engin- eering feat. The whoie trip will be educational and those who are able to take it can spend the remainder of their days in speaking of the beauties and glories of their own country. The exposition at Chicago was a wonderful affair, wonderful in mechanical de- velopment and excellence of work- manship and giving one an insight to the customs of other countries and the manner of living of their people. It will probably be the same, or per- haps better, because of the great progress made since, at the California show. It takes several days to such an exposition properly. see OUT DOWN WILD CHERRY TREES. The conservation committee of the state D. A. R. has suggested that good way to celebrate a Washington's birthday this year would be to down all wild cherry trees so as to cut, destroy all tent caterpillars which de- posit their eggs and bushes. If thisis accomplished and it would be a good thing to have it done, care should be taken to see that limbs up horses may nibble at them if thrown in those trees and brush are burned because promiscuously around and they are dangerous, the withered leaves of the wild cherry tree being poisonous and have been known to kill cattle. Cases have been reported where those trees were trimmed during the summer time and the branches thrown over a fence into a pasture lot with the result that cows ate the faded leaves and were poisoned. It is not perhaps generally known that there is so much danger a wild cherry tree or they would have been cut down long ago. The trees when they are allowed to grow to any in great size make good shade for cattle in summer,-but it is a fact that cater- pillars soon infest them and they be- come so numerous as to fall to the ground and manage to get into other trees and shrubbery. The trees are theretore valueless for all practical purposes and farms, meadow lots and roadsides would be better for their In cutting them down, how- down close removal. ever, -they need to be cut they again from the roots, to the ground or will sprout will grow in bush form in the immediate. vicinity and in time become even a greater is a growing antipathy to the cutting down of trees, but this should not ex- tend to the any wild cherry which does not serve useful purpose. In an address delivered at the dem- ceratic caucus in Washington the other day Speaker Clark told his hear- ers that if they did not get ready and support President Wilson they might less 4n authority futed government Subject to this rrepare for another sixteen years of wandering in the wilderness.—Bridge- port Post. latter ; nuisance than they were before. There i 'ACTS AND FANCIES. ' Perhaps when the New Haven roud Be its new bond issue it will do a i vice for the Naugatuck valley more of an accommodation than a nuisance to | the traveler. Just now i whether by trolley or by train, is the I limit of inconvenience.—Ansonia i Sentinel, | S | There is no sentiment 8 capital stronger with denying the fact that in favor of abolish- punishment is growing the passing years, but | whether or not the legislature of t state will favor the abolition of | the death penalty remains to be seen, Interesting arguments can be ad- ! vanced on both sides of the question, | Put up to the present time our legis- ! lacure has not deemed it advisable to abolish the death penalty.—Nauga- tuck News, | th i in o | If every state in the Union could { boast militia organizations as efficient as those of Connecticut, they would not be the occasion for so much anx- iety about our ability to meet a hostile attack. If every te in proportion to its number had as large a national guard as Connecticut, there would be available in an emergency a trained | force of over 300,000 men to add to the mobile regular army, instead the present generally ineffective force of little more than one-third of that number.—RBridgeport Standard. ’ Few are the communities which do not appreciate the value of trees in the highways both for the contribu- tion which they make to the value of property and for the improvement in the appearance of the streets, Some cities follow the plan of at least set- ting out a new tree for every one re- mowed, even though it is not desirable to place where the removed one stood, while others through organiza- tions interested therein improve dif- ferent sections each vyear and give proper care to those already planted. —Norwich Bulletin. Every indication of better times is received with gladness and is taken as evidence that prosperity has re- turned to the Uniteq States by all who are not blinded by p imism or partisanship. It is pleasing, there- fore, to learn that in New Britain the New Britain Machine company, one of that city’s most enterprising man- ufacturing concerns, have felt the ef- fect of the wave of prosperity. This company manufactures automatic machinkry among its various products, and received an order which makes it necessary to employ night forces.—Hartford Post. Has anybody noticed any spring herabouts since the hog notified us that the winter was broken? Perhaps the blue bird hasn’t come up yet from Palm Beach and neither the crocuses r.or the wood violets are taking any chances with February weather deliv- but just take a slant at the show windows of the big fashion temples. Tue spring hat is in bloom. Not yet in the open, but under glass, as it were. The blossoming of the spring bat is a sign that never fails. The veach blossom, the violet, the daffo- dil and other harbingers of spring are semetimes a little late, but the spring bennet bursts into bloom along about mid-February without giving a toss as to whether or not Boreas may have one or a half dozen more blizzards in reserve.—Norwich Record. signs of ground- backbone of A Quaker Marriage. (Indianapolis Star.) A marriage took place last week between a son and daughter, respec- tively, of the two old and wealthy Philadelphia families, the Lippincotts and the Biddles—names known the country over and inseparately as- sociated with the Pennsylvania me- tropolis. Such a wedding, in the ordinary course of events, as fashions now go, would be a more or less spectacular affair, perhaps conducted in church, with a host of guests in attendance and with much form and ceremony. Nor would the fact that the families belong to the Society of Irienc Qe expected to make much difference, for the younger generation of Friends leans to the ways of the ‘“‘worlc people.” The distinctive the -young people, and customs they show few former simplicity. that members of the society. But this young couple returned to ! the simple methods of their ances- {tors. The ceremony was that pre- scribed by the Friends. There was no music and the guests were seated as the bridal party filed in and up the center of the room, which was dividea off in a dong aisle. When they in habits ana signs of the marked the 1 groom faced the guests and seated themselves, the bride on the left and the bridegroom on the right. They remained scated for more than five minutes, and then Mr. Biddle rose ana going to the bride, took her hand and repeated the form. He then returned to his seat and the bride arose and repeater the formula. After a silence of some time | by the way, of Indiana university, { gave a short address on “Youth.” | After this a table was brought in and placed before the young couple. On the table was a long document to which they affixed their names, after which an elder of the church formal- ly addressed them as Mr. and Mrs. | Biddle, and the gu came for- | ward to sign the certificate, according to the usual custom. Both ity and solemnity were characteris the service—two elements that cking in the or- dinary marriagd t which properly | belong to this important event in life. | There is a great difference between { such a ceremony and a hurried form- | ula rattled off by a justice of peace or an elaborate church wedding in which everione is more concerned | with the spectacle—the clothes, | lowers and “who’s who' marriage itself, a difference all to the credit of the Philadelphia pro- ceeding. The contrast is refreshing. the service, | of | and day | Quaker | dress has been largely abandoned by | right | marriage | Prof. Swain of Swarthmore, formerly, | t I | reached the end the bride and bride- | [ tion allowed to die a natural death i the the | the | —than in the | | visited T6WN 14LK. [ is | some talk of estab- ! lishing a rose garden | in one of the Spring- tield parks ha several wple to P that they Hill park which for such a purpose. There fine line of shrubbe flowering plants in the park now and if a garden ivas opened there it would materially add to the beauties and attractiveness of the place. The rose gardens at ISlizabeth park, Hart- ford, when the flowe by a number of people from this and neighboring towns and cities and similar visits would be made Walnut Hill of there was a rose den there. It establishment of such a place would be advertisement for the city in addition to supplying a pleasing sight for visitors. It is being predicted that when the commissioners have their plans carried out that the park will be more beautiful than ever, that it will be visited by more people than ever, and that there is hardly any doubt but that many will come from other places. Tt may be that a rose garden among the contemplated improvements and that the commis- sioners are simply walting to finish the work they have on hand before an- nouncing plans for further beautify- ing the grounds. It is well known that it is several years since the changes now in progress of being made were first .suggested to the board of finance and taxation, how the members thaught they were very Walnut adapted is a very s admirably rose 8a an is caused | ¥ | that would like | see one provided in | and | sare in bloom are | to | has been said that the | complete, but- refused to appropriate ! any money and when they did get around to it, it was done piecemeal. New Britain, however, has done fairly well by the park during the past year or two and any one who has noticed the changes that have been made there during that period will agree with it. In Springfield it is proposed to grow roses to such an extent that there will be some for local disposi- tion. This could be just as well done here in connection with the nursery which is now flourishing and will soon be in condition % meet all the ex pectations of the park commission When all these plans have matured and the park has taken on the ap- pearance that is expected, New Britain people will be well pleased, and if the rose garden, which is interesting some | people now, is added the grounds will be equal in beauty to any similar place in the state. Walnut Hill has a num- ber of natural advantages and to these are now being added beauties designed by landscape architects from all of which is expected in the end park grounds of great attractive- ness. The letter received-by Mayor Quig- ley this week from a man in Cali- fornia in which he favored the erec- tion of the Burritt memorial on Bur- ritt “hill a result of an of the place about two years ago, is another feature of the discussion that accompanied the proposed tribute to the memory of the “Learned Black- smith,” which is to be placed on tae park near the High school. erty in question was once owned by Mr. Burritt and it was from him that the late Horace Booth purchased it and which. is now being turned into residential property by the trustees of that estate. It was long upon by the admirers of Mr. Burritt as a suitable place for the memorial which in those times had not taken on definite shape. Some favored its purchase for a park to be named honor of Mr, pressed a wish that monument of some kind be erected there, but all those plans were changed when the necessary money was provided and the matter of the memorial was placed in the hands of a committee. There is no evidence that Mr. Burritt ever utilized the property in question for any purpose except as pasturage for cattle and in the section near Tiroad street, opposite Curtis, e provided a on in wh religions held regularly, were available iate at the exerci as a m such being services wwere clergymen asked to offi inspection | The prop- | looked | | where there was a deadlock. pened that it affected no place in the | | state except | innocent in Burritt, while others ex- | A street is being run through the prop- | now, in a short time houses will he erected there and it will have any of the farmlike appearance it used have, adjoining as it a thickly populated section. It would have been a great boost to the finan- cial value of property there had tiac Burritt farm been turned into a park, but it is a strange thing that no one over took any interest in the plan and to that perhaps more than anything else was the park proposi- ert to i ever have been truthfully have been born. It wa Burritt’s connection with the place nat gave it the name of Butritt Hill, but there is no evidence that he over paid any particular attention to it, ex- cept as above stated. Horace Booth, who owned it for a great many years before his death, did not make any more use of it than did Mr. Burritt, except to cut down a numbe and fo permit its use as a pasture fo- the cows owned in the neighborhood and afterwards for cattle owned by himself, It will evidently soon lose all its bucolic appearance, the growth of the city is going that w now and soon all of the Burritt farm will be turned into homes for industrious people. The city has invited that due- ing the past two years making many public improvements along the roadway which skirts the proverty. it could said to by The committee which is re ordinances made a report council * Wednesday for sing to the common ; concerning provisions whi lity of which there is somec ques- The committee said that story buildings should not be more than thirty-five feet in height and should not contain more than three tenements while no height was speci- | docs cease to | does | conditions to | | Dusily Mr. | i Indian | chosen of trees | | ing hand. evening | buildings | oh was not accepted and about the | three | | are not given | where they are fied for a two story dwelling but that it should not contain more than four tamilies, That seems to be absurd on the face of it, for in the first place a three story building not over thirty- five feet in height above the ground must manifestly have low ceilings and | the ordinary house s are high the building whose duty it wiil building ordinance, those in > da himsel? the inspector be to enforce is not story structures. Can the force any such ordinance tion that many people are asking and some of them are city offic The general requirements of buildings are safety and sanitation but it dees not seem as if the common council can enforce a law which says that four families may occupy a two sior house while one family less can on occupy a building a story higher. Some years ago the owner of the house which stood just south of the Y. M. C. A. huilding made applica- tion for a permit to make same changes in it and when they Were carefully inquired into the tions provided for a building of wall varfety to be erected around the old dwelling, the front to be of giass. The council naturally did not like the arrangement and said so, but it was decided that an opinion should be obtained from the corporation counsel. The late F. L. Hungerford held the office at the time and he ap- peared before the council in He said that the council could prescribe the style of building to be erected as a man had the power to build a house that suited him on his own land provided that he did violate the ordinances in doing so. There were no such building laws then as there are now, but it would seem as of a man might be perm ‘tted city is a gues- a not to provide for four or more families | in a three story house provided the laws concerning safety and tion were observed. The idea seems to be to abandon six tenemtnt blocks, some of which are regarded as fire traps, and it may be desirable that it be done, but it is easy to under- stand how similar buildings can be constructed and be perfectly safe. The action of the Commerce in deciding to copies of all the bills before legislature concerning New and have copies sent to the members is to be commended. This will pre- sumably be continued in future legis- latures as well as the present one. Once in a while some one steals march on the people and their repre- sentatives as well as having an inno- cent measure introduced and no one knowing its real meaning until it is too late to prevent its passage. C. D. Hine was made a member Chamber of obtain the of the New Britain school board his ap- | | pointment was brought dabout in just that manner. The bill simply vided for the secretary of the state board of education being a member ex-officio of all school committees It hap- New Britain and al- most became a law before its full import was understood and it was then too late to prevent its passage. Mr. Hine was a good member of the committee but the people as a rule did not like to see him obtain his membership in such a manner. Such a thing will hardly occur under the Chamber of Commerce method of pro- cedure unless its representative should be misled by the appearance of an looking measure Still the appointment of Mr. Hine was mot the only bill that got into the legislature without having been advertised. The measure concerning the appointment of a personal tax colléctor not only got into the le lature but came out without its contents being generally known as did the measure concerning the appointment of the sealer of weights and measures. Such bills are introduced as general measures, any a‘téntion except specially known and not until the legislature has adjourned and some city or town prepares carry out the provisions of the act that other cities learn of it and people begin to inquire how it was done. The importance of the action of the Chamber of Commerce can therefore he understood when it pro- poses lo provide a means by which all legislative measures concerning the city : to be investigated and the membe of the chamber notified. This will be sufficient to insure all necded action on the measures and it not need any sagacity to suggest New Britain will the better it. it that for he Had George’s Hatchet. The Knglish this country tourist who with ecrude aere is a pe of amusement The New respondent of The Pittshurg Dispa has the following: A couple of lish tourists ‘‘seeing New York™ oceupied rnoon over the shop devoted to and handiwork were evidently investing in of this barbaric land with the eyves of their on their return, one or two basket bheads and wampum, and sever: of moc: and were now turning their attention to smaller things, sibly for little nieces and nephews “at heme.” A very udy “pipe of peace’ found with them and the salesman was encouraged to bring out another trifle, o harmless ing, hatchet-sort of ct. “Don't vou think vou ought to iake a toma- hawk?” he asked. The Englishman's eves gleamed—here the real thing, “By jove, aid, seiz- | ing it, but his wife put out a restrain- | VY John,” she sald, | “don’t buy that, we've bought one of | those already. in Washington, don't vou know.” “But that wasn't a tom- myhawk,” he objected, “they called it | something clse.” And he paused, mind struggling wita the intricacy American historical relics ‘Oh, know,” he breathed with a sigh disgusted recollection George Washington's hatchet.” comes “o of source notions nial York cor- teh were lTooking avenue stock ifth of They souvenirs which inglish rela- hey had some 1 pairs the salc curios wsins, pos- favor ob, was ves.” he his | ot | blawsted It is understood | agreeable | to the provisions concerning the three | en- | specifica- | person. not | sanita- | Britain | a | When | pro- | to | look- | || WHAT OTHZRS 3AY Yiews on all of questions as discussed in ex- changes that come to 1llerald office. sides timely | i Untried Suspects in Our Jails (New ' London Day.) There is a the country wide agitation of the jail for the reformatory farin and industrial for abandonment colony—oftener the It argument far farm fhan the colony. would scarcely | as if | to establish | vine much Were necessar the superiority of a reformative for misd ystem m meanants over a tem of punative imprisonment, 7The herding of a'l gorts of infractors within the confined | Spaces of a jail, forcing the compan- fonship of the degenerate and the sionally unduly it vicious upon merely exuberant and t the old offender upon impressionable | vouth—these patent, in- justices so obvim will prob- ably be no great length of time, reli- | tively speaking, before the state: of Connecticut awakens to the necessity of adopting a more scientific, a more common sense, method of 1ting its { minor offenders. The county aii, which has existed with compa tively little improvements in its cidentals and none at all in its prin- | ciple ever since were a state, | one of the outworn things that is on its way to the scrap heap. ! But since Connecticut iz given confirmed - habit to feeling her slowly toward any reform whatsoever, 1o waiting for other states to do the experimenting, it will probably be considerable number of years still be- fore county farms shall have replaced | county j And in the meantime the conduct of the jails will be, it has always been, worth observing | Perhaps it would be good idea if we paid a little more attention to see- ing that they are run, for the rest of the period of their duration, approxi- | mately according to the ethics of the | twentieth century and less according to the ignorance of the fifteentn. Conspicuously are Connecticut jails, some of them at least medieval in | their systems for the treatment of | suspected persons held for trial. | There is a total failure to recognize | the fact that the innocence of such detained person is presumed until he has been convicted by trial court; that a prisoner held for trial is not at all in the positiom of a prisoner | incarcerated for punisament. In tne vast majority of cases he is in jail, | not actually for any offense, but sim- are evils so that it srim we is by way a ails, as a a | bail bond. He is held merely to in- sure his presence in court on the day | of trial, | In view of this underlying principle | of the detention of unconvicted per- | sons, it would be interesting to know, suthoritatively, from the New Lon- | don county commissioners whether it true that prisoner pending | closely confined to cells; that they are | denied reading matter and writing material; that they are not permitted the use of tobacco, though constitu- tional habitues; that for six days out | of seven they are held incommuni- | cado, even the members of their fam- lily not being permitted to visit them oftener than once a week: that th are treated, as a matter of fact, con- siderably worse than convicts in a penitentiary, who at least have oc- cupation and are allowed lights in their cells and the privileges of read- ing and writing. It may be that such re | have come to us of the system for de- | tained suspects are exaggerated It | is to be hoped so. But unless these | reports are enormously overstated, | the whole attitude of New London unconvicted jail pris- { county toward | oners is utterly mistaking and predi- failure to differ- | cateda on complete | entiate between one who has been | tried and found guilty and one who | has not yet been tried at all is | is i orts as Mixed Flour and Olcomargarine. (Providence Journal.) An Towa relieve the consumer b con internal revenue tax flour. The tax barrel, but the burden of every littlc is a small one, four cents a these days tax, | the oleomargas was invented to favor a producs- It is a protective tax mas- as excise. The congress was to discourage { consumption of mixed flour. As the Towa congressman puts it, there is | nothing injurious to health in a flour milled from wheat and corn, whent and rye, or whcat and potatoes. And no revenue worth mentioning was pected to accrue at the time the a passed. As revenue the sitt | ation i different to b sure, ongress that sends the tax gatherer after the chewing gum chewers, to collect fractions of a cent, may not de- spisc the mite from mixed flour Such a tax is not necessary | tect the consumer fraud, more than it is to protect his If either pretext ever had stand on, it has not now the efficiency of pure food legisiation, federal and state. | Wil this new-found friend | consumer from Towa go further, and { move the repeal of the oleomargarine | tax? He probably will not; though that tax cqually offensive to a | sense of fair and just taxation with | the mixed flour one, and more iniqui- | tous because it is heavier. Every con- | sumer of colored oleomargarine to the government ten cents a pound Not even war taxes ever surpassed that for oppressiv But the oleo | tax was put on to favor the farmers | the mixed-flour tax the wheat mill- | farmer state one is magnified | Th { one, ing class. | querading !intent of e to now, was from because of of ve pays ness ers, lowa is a If the Germans keep on capturing Tussians fifty thousand at a time they will have a problem on their seem | weak or in- ply because he is unable to provide a | trial, | invidious | the | | badges ou 1 ' " McMILLANS SPECIAL - FEBRUARY SALE For Two Days Only TODAY AND MONDAY These Special Prices Posi- tively for Saturday and Mon- day only, MEN’S and BOYS’ SHIRTS/ 39c each. Value 49c to 75c. All sizes. 12-inch to 18-inch neck band. HOSIERY SALE 11c pair. Reg. 2 for 25¢ grade., All brands Men’s, Women's and Children’s Hose included PERCALES AND GINGHAMS 9'5¢ yard best 121/5¢ grades, All the new spring designs to choose from. WIDE RIBBONS of all kinds, 1,200 yards at 19¢ yard. Value 29c. $1.00 SHIRT WAISTS 69¢ each NEW FLOWERED VOILES and RICE CLOTH 25c grade, 21¢ yard. Choice of our spring stock. EXTRA LARGE BLAN- - KETS $1.25 pair. Reg. $1.75. FIGURED CURTAIN MADRAS 15c¢ yard. Reg. 19c grade. WOMEN'S and MISSES’ COATS $5.98. Value to $15.00. CHILDREN’S COATS In Two Lots [$3.00 and $4.00 each ‘ to $7.98. d - Value | Sale for two days only. \ Other Bargains herc that farc not advertised. | - D. McMILLA 199-201-203 Main Street. Cougressionl (Toledo B | Marylana | room | varyin them imm ity ¢ mem polic id sports community rey guihered in ki certai or Lnion: ime they Congre | cor | The | too Taw beds to enter | dent has moved him bill calling for the i | such as those worn by sec members, - identifying | and preventing any such impersonation of them as occ the neighboring Maryland v The it vinced faker entlet wer ntle abiding : con snien posing or rred in & merit than The SV un well harum idea ot withe ore from slander It i congressuien anc criticism matter that mended thely deserved nown in arum young men have and noticeably i badge been stuck lodge proved afte their then vs has The buttons have something live giver up They bay been and developed into re spectable minded citizens. Why shoula to o sobered hands trying to decide where to put them all.—Waterbury Democrat. not a congressional badge do as much for a representative or a senutor?