Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, October 9, 1881, Page 3

fHE CHICAGO TRIB 4 Xe QUARE. Taken regularly, has ma ELEVEN YEARS ‘A VERY SICK INFANT TEN YEARS AGO TODAY, BUT NG CORD de us a very healthy child, although extremely R EAL! 3 LD TODAY. -: estless and Sleepless. fete A | AN OPEN eee “DOWN FRONT” on Madison and Clari-sts. This is the greatest opening Willoughby, Hill & Co., have had since TEN YEARS ACO TO-DAY. _ That “Opening? made us $10,060 poorer than “NOTHING.” Yet we asked no man to take Tess than 100 cents on a dol or to even wait for his money, and they were all willing to do either or both. The one great pleasure of our lives has been to meet all our engagements, and 10 do as we have agreed. So far we have been able to dv so, and we now, today, “advertise? that Willoughby, Hill & Co. is 2 sate f for you to irade with. “WE DON'T NEED, DON'T WANT, WO HAVE,” any person’s money unless we can give FULE VALUE for the sane. You shall certainly have our goods at the lowest possible freeng | WUGGOUGHBY, HILL prices for good goods; the other kind will be sold, as usual, at these *‘jim-jam” stores where they never Sell anything but 2ds, 3ds, tths, bihs, &c., from mock auctions, Xc. Reliable Goods, Reliable Prices, Reliable Willoughby, Lill & Co., Cor. Madison and Clark-sts. Open till nine at night. SELL GENTS’ FURNISHING. GOUDS EVER SO MUCH - Cheaper than any body else in Chicago, and there are lots of peo- ple that know it. If ?twasn’t for us these Furnishing fellows would make a good deal more money than they do make. They take especial pains to find out what our price is going to be on some new novelty, and then, perhaps, make their price the same.. “Ewould break their heats to make a lower price. There are no finer good to be had than are Sold by WILLOUGUDY, HILL & C0, FURNISHERS OF MEH--KIND, Cor. Hadison and - Clark-sts. “ELEGTRIG” SUSPENDERS, JUST OUT, JUST IN. * Open till nine at night. bt Bors SUITS, Overevats, Gaps, Hats,’ Boots and Shoes, Mothers, you cannot find near the assortment at any other store. We have sold over 900 Boys’ Suits on a-Saturday in our three stores. Just think what,an assortment we have to carry to please so many in one day, and how. constantly our stock is changing. We sell more Boys’ Clothes than any other con- cern in this country; and there is no Clothing Store in this city that § taxes on half as many goods. You try-us this fall and see if you don’t do better in the end. WILLOUGUBY, HILL & CO, CHICACO, Electric Clothiers, Cor, Hadison and Clark-sts, Open till nine at night. AND CHEEDREVS| HEA, CAP, GLOVE _ Department. New Novelties make their first appearance in Chicago at Wil- Joughby, Hill & Co.’s. Lhe nicest goods there is, but at Moderate Prices. We can sell anything we show, but have to be very careful and not show poor goods in any department BOOTS & SHOES. ~ Several Novelties in this depar ment. We sell shoes that are first- class Only, and our trade is very great. “ Busy,?? “busy.”? busy,” till nine o’clock at night. Wesell Ladies’ and Gent’s Gossamer and Rubber Goods in this department. One day last week we retailed over 200 Gossamer Coats; have sold over 1,000 in the past two. weeks. Why is it?) Come in and you will see ** why it is.” . Ladies’ and Misses’ OVERCOAT AND CLOAK DEPARTMENT. OPEN ONE WEEK And the business has been four times as much as we expected. There is a reason for it which you will learn very easy by making us a visit. Tomorrow we open an entire new line, and will show over L000 OVER GARHENTS FOR LADES AND ASSES Styles never shown before in Chi- cago. The great trade wo are having changes our stock every ten days. Keep coming, you will see something new every time you come. Ladies that are -busy through the day can see splendid- ly by our electric lights until nine o'clock every night. Mothers can see ‘GIRLS’? and Boys’ Over-, garments just as well at night in our beautiful light store. WILLOUGHBY, HILL & C0. Cor. Hadison and Clark-sts, AL; - MAINS WHOLESALE Cloth and Woolen Houses in New York and Chicago, CARRY LESS STOCK Than the Immense CUSTOM DEPARTMENT WIELOUGHBY, HILL &°CO, Cor. Madison and Clark-sts, We carry the finest goods from all the countries of Europe, and DIRECT from the manufacturers, “PAID” for the day they are re- ecived.. Why not. then take ad- vantage of our great facilities, in- stead of puttering around among these “‘atom ”? stores, where.they can only show you ‘one Pants pat- tern, or one Suit pattern of a kind, which has actually cost them from -50 cts. to $1.00 per yard more than Willoughby, Hill & Co. paid for same goods at first hands. That’s all now, but ’tis the Truth. reach all classes of minds, and that so long as ‘was true to the spiritual work of the Church— and of this I never aad a doubt—I have felt tant Twas doing right. and was in no danger of eaus- ing bartn to myself or others by entering openly and us fully a3 1 could THIS FIELD OF APOLOGETICS d- upon us by a critical age. ly todo 4s .a part of my ministry in the las lye years, Standing 23 Ihave in oncof the great thought-centres of our country, where stich a labor seemed to be needed. But whist this has been # part, it has been but a sinall part of my ministry; much the larger purt being entiraly practical. : thousand times baye 1 usked God “to give me the truth us He would have me declare it, and as often prom- / THOMAS ADDRESS Delivered at Sycamore, Be- fore the Council of Fifteen. Will the Methodist Church Tol- i % | isedto be true, And Lhave never felt that I erate the Doctrines He was untrue to the vows of a Methodist preacher, Teaches? nor going beyond a HLerty freely ranted to ‘1 others; and I bave wll ‘the time felt that e | L was clearly within tne lines “of a reu- sonal broud and progressive orthodoxy. And IT declare, further, that never for one moment Bave J intended to create uneasiness or dissension in the Chureh. I bave simply tried to do jn my own way what scemed to mon much needed work. That I bave done it wisely or well 1 do not claim; only this: that} have done the best I could. “And this brings us to the real issue in the pres- ent case.. Itis this: Will the Methodist Church volerate the doctrines | teach, and bas it-room for the work Lam trying to do? Or, will it pro- nounce these teachings so unsound and this work so unsafe as toexpel mer ‘And this brings me now to try again to present a statement of what I believe and whut 1 do not believe: and, as tar as way be, the forms in which these beliefs and unbeliefs -have taken shape in ny mind. Ihave declared a Unquestioning Belief in the Living God and the Divinity of Christ. God Satisfied, by His Own Sufferings, the Sense of Hi® Own Justice. to you and to the world, and now declare again, my unquestioning, belict IN/ THE LIVING GOD AND IN THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST; have affirmed, and now alirm again, my, set- oul, aiid in People Who. Die in Their Sins Will Be-Ponished, bat in a Lake of Brimstone—Well, Hardly. tled belief in the immortality of th rewards and punishments after steadily believed and taught the doctrines of the Church. vhich these charg ay: “Have Lever ¢ doctrines of the Church and regeneration, and the witness and holiness of heurt and life? in refere! to the spirit and work of the Church | say in the same sermon: * Methodism has been a church of song, of prayer, of warm- hearted piety, and aard work. ~No mau is in more perfect avcord with all this than my- self.” believe in the inspiration and authority of the Scriptures. In my statement to the con- ference at Mt. Carmel in 1878 I suid: “On tho question of the inspiration of the Scriptures. T should find difficutty in accepting the ‘verbal theory,’ but I do tully beheve that the men who wrote ‘the Scriptures were inspired, and that these Scriptures contain, in substinees the Word of God.”. In tho sermon on which the charzes for heresy are based I say: ‘I fully believe with our Articles of Relisior that the Scriptures con- tain all things necessary for salvation. I believe that the will of Gon is revexled in the Seript- ures. [accept implicitly the teachings of Jesus Christ, though I do. not suppose that in alt case: we have His precise language; yet Ido believe we bave in substance His thought: fts consen- sus, in'so far that we may know His mind and His doctrine. But I DO NOT BELIEVE that all parts of the sixty-six books io the Bible are equally inspired, or of equal authority am Saluee Nor ‘do velieve that all the books of As to Endless Punishment, Dr. Thomas Only Hopes It May Not Be So. Spirit, And Sin, However, Is a Terrible Thing, and Its Consequences May Be Beyond Power to Conceive. ’ ‘Special Dispatch to The Chicago Tribune. Sycasione, Ill, Oct. §—Following is the full text of Dr. Thomas’ address to the Councit of Fifteen: se a _Brerunes: If to you this unpledsant con- troversy is matter of regret, to me It is more; it 4s, and bas veen from the first, a positive grief. Ilove peace and harmony, and not strife and debate. But misunderstandings and possibly real dif- ferences of opinion have arisen, and instead of «marching side by side, as in other years, we are ‘engaged in a trial involving no less issues than the liberty of the pulpit, and my rieht to live and labor and die in the Church in which I was . vT have spent many | tho Old Testament are critically infallible, Any eta a fa whose minty eg ee y | Mttempt to maintain such a ‘view is, in my obs best Baye Spinion, not only utterly useless, but puts abur- Tbatin the end we may be enabled to reach au intelligent and just judement, we should be anxious to have the clearest possible under- Standing of all the facts; apd hence what I de- sire to say shall be more in the nature of state- ments ana explanations than of formal argu- ment. That Iam content toleave to my able counsel. Tentered thé Methodist ministry when very You ng, and from a deep conviction that God had called, me to that sacred work; and to this duy that conviction remains unchanged. I have Rever sought nor desired any. posiuon but that. of the pastorate, and it has been dur- ing those long-continued. labors and ex- Periences that 1 have pursucd 8s best 1 could the study of theolory. not so much 88 a-theory as with special reference to tne work of a practical ministry. Whatever views, o therefore, I now hold, or whatever changes have “come to my mind. have come not so much from the cloister*us from the field of toil, HAVING MY BIRTH AND EDUCATION IN THE * METHODIST CHURCH, I was early impressed with two thimgs—that Methodism placed its chief emphasis upon the life, the experience, the heart-work of religion; and that in matters cf opinion it allowed the Jargest liberty. These impressions came from & careful study of the works of Mr. Wesley. and I have always thought that these were the dis- tnctive positions, and this the glory of our de- den upon the Church that makes it weaker, and not stronger.” i Gna serinon on The Use of the Bible,” that we otfered in evidence, I say: * We claim, then, tor the Bible that it contains a_primary revela- tion from God—a revelation of truths not dis- covered, if indeed discoverable, by reason. gee ‘The next distinctive plice of the ts acknowledged authority in matters of fuith and conduct. . . . The final doc- trines of the Bible concerning God and riht- eousness are, and must be, final to buman thought and conduct, They can never be super- seded. . . . And thus it isand forever must be that before the bar of reason and conscience . es the Word of God must ‘be final, must thority. beaumont: possesses the double value of presenting 2 rule of conduct, und of carrying: that rule home to the conscience withan wuthor~ ity from which there 1s no appeal—the authority Of Gon pdatieo, of puriuss ot tints account? f truth, of justice, of puri my = fbility, the Bible is both re ciation and author- y—the authority of Gou sine gubject of the ttonement, in the ser mon on which these charges rest, f say: “ Most Methodists suck relief in the governmental view qehich makes the atonement a measure for sc Curing the moral order of the universe. This 1 Gan eusily nccept and believe if the idea of penal substitution is left out. ther Mr. Wesley will always be i fi upaway f the strict r Watson ever got fully away from the - iy penal idea of a literal imputation of sin to Christ, and of , an be {IE PUNISHMENT OF CHRIST Ft I believe that God loved the world—loved it a3 jnueh as ever Christ loved it; that the love of nee ‘icatiousness of God's ever- Reliev: work of Method | Christ was but the vicarlousness r rs ruc an sno omiana tes | aera amas ante te ii wit! tt work, | the lost; a ns < 3 ana tut Taesented abe. Laccord with iittseand | them out of their sins, and -hence out of thelr believing that in substance 1 was in accord with | guilt and penalty. 1 beter i teas aoa ere ng that, im substance Teele at perfect lib- | fieve, in-the divinity of Christ: 1 Notre than erty to deal with the forms or statements of suifered for us sulteres (© how much more inen thos doctrines, and as far as possible Loar, | that we aight be won to His life; that we might Monize them with reason and revelution and the like. Himself; leepest intuitions of the soul. Indeed. ass winister I have feit this to be a duty from which | inicht come. in of love, of vicariousness and suffering for others. Ing 1 vo felt ita duty to 3s ering fo 3. make 0 aoe cho way of faith, » But do not beliove thie He was ever pun and ieee and not bortecnt modifieation of | ished as guilty, or that the, PNAS Te such a Some of the severer dogmas to “lighten | wis over executed unon Him. To me such Father ° nite Seyerer SokmaS cid insist | belief uneettles the Vos tor ee a the way. of avier the burdens of belief. | 1 have $5 e ds ana hearts ora the Ch deriy | believe in it nor will preach It) Bite ert 121 se 12 ot been as ten a ren bas. periaps Teers as irebould be: | or paternal vicw Cirdugh wuch mental struggle and sutfering. | I Considerate of honest l; and that, and 3 an . at we y to these strugeling b fs minds tare has been saodght: ‘and that some | rest init. Tome te Js the Gxpectto live in itand Points in controversy may be conceded, and the that only, wilt Tea e nota shadow of doubt hon-vital doctrines relerated to the domain o! fou! oi ill'yét be the theology of the: world. Bvolume of “Life issed. the doctrine of government- private opinion; end that by all the love of God we should, melosine and nel these minds and learts to the life of religion. Aud fecling fur- Ther that it was the mission of Methodism to plished { cart have discussed atlength; andof the In asermon,, and Sermons; theatonement al view [say that to “this view [ have not the slightest objection, it there is left out of it THE THOUGUT THAT “PENALTY WAS PUT UPON Cr His death is the ground of .the .sioner’s pardon: His death did “declure the righteousness of God, that he might be just and the justitier of him’ that_believeth."" "And referring to the view cf Dr, Raymond 1 4 fully agree.” ‘Thon. coming tothe moral theory, 1 say: “The moral ¥ holds firmly to the immutable distinctions between right and wrong; to the essential holiness of God; to the honor of His law: to the penalty of the law, even the endless punishment of the impenitent (that is, if any forever remain impeuitent); to the incarnation and divinity of Christ—tho dei! of Christ—the pardon of sin, and the regenern Yon and sanetificauon of the soul... “Tho burden ot the moral view isto find ho God can reach tho sinner—find 2 way to bis heart; fill nim with sorrow for his sins; get him out of his sins,and hence out of bis penalty. And yet the moral view has its divine as well as its human side.” “On the Divine side the moral view is perhaps peculiar, if not distinctive, in the sceming ense and freedom from metaphysical distinctions with which it at once brings the whole tuture and being of God—Father, Son, and Holy Gho: justice and mercy. into vicariousness, or suite: tng for sinners under the great and eternal law of love... . And it is thereby saved from the seemfog confusion and difficulty in thought of one part of God being against the other, or trymg to satisfy the other. it makes God and Christ one in the atonement—embarks the whole Divine nature in the missionof saving the world. And thus may. we not think of God, in the: vicariousness of love, suffering over the world; being propitiated by His own sullerings; SATISFYING THE! 0 “With it I most REBY THE SENSE OF. HIS JUSTICE so that ITe-can ¢ be just, und the justifier of him that believeth in Jesus’; who believes in this manitestation ot love—believes so as to trust it so as to be flied with sorrow tor sin, and to tu up bis own cross of 2 suffering love and follow Christ? Iu this way Calvary is the world’s great nluir of. sacrifice where God meets man with pardon and renewing grace, and min is saved— not because auother bas sutfered the penalty in his stead—only as God himself has thus borne his sorrows and his sins not as a penalty, but as tne burden of love—but saved by the love of God, the merey of God; and saved not in the cold way of n iegul pardon, as if. that were the chief thing; or by a legal imputation of another’s merit; but’ saved through God's great mercy; saved into love and purity; not covered with the rishteousness of Christ, but filled with the full- ness of God. “The moral view is emphatic in its denial of the punishment of the innocent to: save the cuilty, and thus takes away the offeuse to the jecpest sense of justice in the buman heart; an offense that must ever inhere in any theory that puts tho penalty of sin upon Christ. But paving once done this, the taoral view tinds a place and ity for all that is said of the suiferings Lamb that tiketh away tho sin of the world; He is a ‘mediator’: Le is the *propitia tion for our gins’; He is our, * sue 3 our ‘atonement’ we have ‘redemption through His blood’; He w wounded," Z + bore our sins In His own body upon tho tree ‘py His stripes we are healed"; * He dtod for us. All, and more than all these sicrificial und sub- stitutional. expressions bave x place and x real meaning in the view of God cominy forth in the person of Christ and ‘suffering in the vicarious- ness of love tosave man. But THESE TERMS HAVE NSO LITERALIZED and pressed into the service of 2 cold penal the- ory in which Christ is represented as being pun- jshed—having the literal penalty put upon him —thnt the rent meaning seems well-nixh lost. but take this literal penal idea uvway, and then no language of suifering or sacrifice, or substi- tution, is too strong to bear in upon the heart and conscience of tne world the great, the deep, the amuziuz tacts of the incarnation and suffer- ing and death of Jesus Christ. * At this cross of love, of sacrifice, of obedi- ence, God ‘meets the sinner and suves him, not by an imputed righteousness, but by arightcous- ness imparted, And this cross, this suffering love of Christ, is the great reconciling power that is to reconcile the world to God: reconcile it to truth, and Inw, and obedience, and bring man- Kind into tho sulfering of love in which all ani- mosities, and strivinws. and crueities shalt cease, and mankind shall fultiti the luw of Christ by Joving one another, und ~ bearing the burdeps one of the other.” - . “And this solution. is not only ‘the. for- giveness of sins that are past, through the for- bDenrance of God;’ itis this, and more; it-is so atoning and reconciling man that his enmity is one: bis soul is puritied— washed in the blood Of the Lamb'—not, of course, in an outward Hteral sense, but in” the deep, real inward sense of the power, anc love, and life of God flowing into the soul, healing its diseases, cleansing awny its sin, and so carrying man back into the life of God from wnich be had parted—had lost by sin—that be is now reconciled, suved, one in purpose, and love, und life with God. That is what I believe on the atonement, and that is whut I have taught; fur remember that theze statements are taken from sermons preached and published before this trial bezan, hind hence are not something prepared for this hour.’ And yet with these sermons before bit, Dr. Parkhurst bad the amazing audacity to say in his argumont—it such It can ve calied—before the Committee of Jnvestigauon that 1 did not believe in any atonement, in: any doctrine of snes and coarsely. Hipsicrerac all. these deeply affecting views of the sufferings deuth ot our Lord as nee eae “TAFFY.” “Alas, alng, that in a discussion of themes so snered, candor and learnmg should form s0 small a part, and abuse take the place of argu- ment. zs On the subject of future punishment I have said, and say sumin: “That I never doubted the fact of future - ishment for those who die in thoir sins, | be~ fieve the law that sin must. bring suffering to the'sinner will abide forever. I believe that it is founded in the ‘nature:of things; that itis everlusting; that it operates in all ages and all orlds. And I believe also that, as long as any ing remains on the side of .sin. or is. a sinner, so tong that being must suffer. There is a senso also In which I think even those who turn to the } ean Sa} rizbt may always suifer loss. because of having done wrong. ... . I believe in the strength and integrity of the government of God; that proper punishment will be ‘visited upon all who viokuwe the laws of that government.. [ believe that God is eternally just, and that His mercy 1s from everlasting to everlasting. 1 believe that He is tho Father of all souls, and that He wilt dent In a tender love-with all. He will do what is right and best for all. Lut Ido not believe in the old terrible idens of a literal luke of fire, in whieh tho suuls and bodies of men and women shall be tormented forever... “A$ TO THE ENDLESNESS OF PUNISHMENT, IT-have said that the law that punishes sin fs it- self endless; and, tor aught L know, in the other stnte souls muy pass from right 10 wrong, or from wrong to right; and.In the new creations that may yo on forever there may always be souls sutfering under tne consequences of wrong domg. But to say thatany one soul, or the sume soul, will forever remain in sin is more than 1 ind hence 1 ennnot aflirm endless suf- fering for any soul. 1 believe thut-we go out of this world free to good or to evil; and 1 believe that if a soul repents und turns to God, even in Hell, Re will not cast’ it away. ‘This whole question -is too Inrge a one to so easily gettled in thought be ng some might think. The character of God is vound upin it. Tho destiny of millions and millions who bave lived in .the past, as well as of those who sbull live in the future, is bound upinit. Personally I cannot limit all of God's saving work to these few years on earth: To me this is ouly the bevinning, and all the vast future is filled with life, and love, and activi the love und sucritice that have passed away from our shores; the love of. fathers and mothers, of brothers und sisters; the love of patriots and philanthropists. It is all over there: not.bated orquenched by the waters of death, .but quickened and ygloritied, All the love of God revealed in Jesus Christ is over thore as well as. here. The mimstry of all the angels is active there. And to that bright future [look and hasten in the hope that the lost not found here may be found there; that mans: souls bound in sin‘here may find. deliverance there, and that the day may come when all the xuuls breathed into betng. by the life of God may be brought into harmony with His laws.” You will notice that on this subject IMAVE v ED A HOVE that lost souls may come intw a better life in the future, but have not taught auy positive doc- trine. In the discourseon Sia and Penalty, found in volume of sermofis, und offered’ in evidence, I ou * ‘This much seems evident to me, and this I believe, and, believing, | preach. I have no pos- sible dount of future puuishment; of the sepa- rauon of good and bad; of loss and suffering to those who die insin, It is undoubtedly taught iu tho Bible, and supported by analogy. Lhave no doubt of the righteousness of God's govern- ment, and that wrong doing will be punished. ‘The law of God, with its rewards and punish- iments, meets us at our entrance intojthis world —follows us all tho wity through life with warn- ings of danger und. punishment for sin; and from all long the shores-of the unseem world the voice of God cries out_aionfan punisbment, assuring all that come to that world that the con~ sequences of sin follow them; and that there, us well as here, sin is punished. And this, it seems to me, on this subject, is the essential feature in a’ ministry of righteousness; this xives strength to law, and motive and restraint to character.” “What future punishment will be, or how Jong, or with what result, 1 know not. I must hold to the Fatherhood of God—to the eternal goodness us revealed in Jesus Christ. . . - cannot think that any unending existence that God will permit can be worse than non-exist- ence. And yet J cannot put away tho fact that sin is a terrible thing, and that its consequences may be awful, ALMOST BEYOND OUR POWER TO CONCEIVE. “If there be eternal sinning, there. will be eternal sutfering. There can beno perfect bap- piness without holiness. Heaven or Hell are States or conditions of mind ard spirit that we curry over from this world. What the purposes. aud possibilities of the love of God in Christ Jesus may bg in the long future I know not. It seems tome that of His love the ‘half hath never been told.’ Hope for the millions of our earth spring up as the years increase and .as I near the golden gutes.” The love that has saved ine hits put something in my heart. that cannot deur to let uny soul go; and it seems to me this, love somehow must reach all, and £ know it will reach allif it be possible. Il know that God cannot take pleasure in the death of ‘any soul; And yet Lknow that the * wages of sin is death.” 1 know that He will do all things well, and I cry outto my fellow-beings that. now “is the ac- cepted time, and now is the day of sutvation,’ and Ibescech thee in Christ's nume to be recon- ciled to God.” = These extracts contain, I think, a fair, though not u full, statement of’ my yiews on the three points at issue. ‘They are taken from my pub- dished sermons of the last several years; pub- lished in the dally. papers, und some in books. And it is by these that in aN fairness I should be tried; ‘and not. by words dropped incidentatly on the strect or clsewhere two or three yeurs ago. Who does not know the uncertainty, the difticulty, of reporting from memory the words of others, and how tiable one is, even if sincere, to get’ faise impressions of auother’s views. Brotaer Parkhurst is certain- ly, to say the least, . |, ry OFTEN EXTRAVAGANT IN HIS STATEMENTS, and any one can see the erroneous impression those ladies had, and how I was trying to cor- rectit. My views are given without mental re- serve in my sermon, and by them Iam willing to stand or fall. * And now, what i3 the substance of what I be- Neve and what I deny?: = + It must be evident that I hold to the great and fundamental doctrines of Christianity, and that Jamin hearty accord with the spirit and work of Methodisto. pee bee . [hold te the inspirationjand aathority ‘of the Scriptures; that In matters of doctrine and duty they are final; the authority of God. Bat Ido not accent the “verbal” theory. of inspiration; nor claim thut all parts of all the sixty-slx books of the Bible are of equal authority, inspiration, or value; nor thatall parts of the Old Testament are critically infallibie.: And ‘in. these things, am 1not in accord with the best seholarsbip of our own Church and of the world? Certainly I am. Does tne Methodist Churck, or the fifth article of religion, require our ministers to he- Neve more, or differently? I think not. Lhold to the doctrine of 2 vicarious atone- ment; but 1 hold itin that form that is called moral or paternal; or, in other words, I hold to the governmental view with the peral idea feft out. [deny the doctrine of a literal penal sub- stitution. Itis, 1 think, both unreasonable and unseriptural. It is un offense to our deepest morat intuitions, anda burden to Christian faith. Tam aware that in saying this I am compelled to differ to some extent from what scems to be tho tenchings of Wesley und Watson; but I clatm to be in substanti:t accord with Itxymond, and Miley, and Pope, and to bold in substance what in its last analysis must be declared to be the true Arminian doctrine. hold to the strength and integrity of the government of God: THAT ALL SIN WILL’ BE PROPERLY A ISNED; but [do not believe in a material hell fire: nor in the terrible ideas of future torment that have come down to us from the p: Such teachings to my mind negative the very idea of a I mvst agree with good Dr. Raymond, “that it is competent to think of God as making hell, not as terrible, but us tolerable as possible. 1f God punish sinners, it is because be must. He is vindicatory, but not vindictive. He is a righteous being and a rihteous sovereign. but he is nota malicious murderer.” But 1 not agree with Dr. Williamson, who “Mr. Wesley, in his sermon on PUN- position to tolerate a large liberty of opinion on this subject. to leave it In the domain of opin- ion where Wesley left it. It is wise now to bind ves, to bind the Church, by making belief in endless punishment a test of orthodoxy? You should ponder lon betore you do this. ‘And now Lwant to suy a. few things further, with the desire to free this case from SOME WRONG IMPRESSIONS and, as { think, false issues that have gathered about it. An effort has been made to_cast the whole re- itity and plawe of this trial upon me. What jare the facts? Did not tbis conference three years ago, and after my character had been passed, adopt x resolution declaring that “much of my teaching was contrary tothe doe trines of Methodism and detrimental to the in- terests of evangelical religion,” and then with this publi¢ censure banging over me, send ine back to my.work? Did I not then in reply to this declare to the conference my belief that 1 was in substantinl accord with the, doctrines. of the. Church, and tell you | frankly and fully the only points on which { thought it possible there might be 2 diiference of opinion ? And did [not promise to try to. make my views on these points better understood? And have [ not done this? Did I not beur as well as I could the public censure for two whole years, and re- ferred to it then only in my farewell sermon? had suffered in silence ull my whole being was sore and deeply sensitive; 1 felt it was-right to speak? und if under the circumstances the words states the doctrine of the Methodist cl on this subject. From this teaching, so faras known, there are no. influential dissenters.” 1 should rather say with Dr. Whedon, imagine the census would be small of American Methodist ministers who would accept Mr, Wes- ley’s pnysical views of bell.” * Lhold'to the endlesness of the law by which sin must be punished. and hence to endless punishment for the endlesly obdurate, if such there be; but. assuming, ns [ do, the freedom of souls after death, I cannot aitirm that any soul will, or will not, forever remain insin, and hence 1 can neither alticm nor deny endless punish- ment for any soul. But, postulating. end- less punishment upon endless sinning, I am Jogically bound to suppose that, if the sinning come to and end. the suffering must also come to an end—unless, indeed, it be thay sulfcring of joss that in the nature of things seems to be remeditess. And I have a hope—n hope that hina come to me through much suifering and prayer, and that-seems to ‘be strengtnened by tho near- est visious of God—thut, SOMEHOW, all the Divine love and striving to win. and save souls will not end with this poor, short life; but that the work of discipline and salvution may go on in the immortal world. And it seems to tno that while thore 1s upon some texts a surface look of finality, there is a deeper and fur-reach- ing vision of other texts, and of the Seriptures ‘a3.n whole, on which this hope may rest. ‘And now, bow does this whole case stand? [ think [ can almost forget that £am-on trial, and san spetk impersonally; and, doing this, it seems perfectly clear to me that the prosecution can tind no grounds for conviction on the ques- tion of the Bible und the atonement. £ believe, will be the judgment of ‘most thcolo- gians who may make a careful study of alt the ‘acts. What, then, is left on which to finda verdict of guilty? Only the question of endless pun- sishment.. Aud what are tho facts in reference to this? There is not one word in our Articles of Religion about endless punishinent, nor about future: punisument. Nor: is there one word on this subject in the Apostles’ Creed, nor the Nicene Creed. Not one word. Nor is there a word in the thirty-nine articles of the Caurch of England on the subject. That Church inserted an-article affirming endless punishment, and -carricd it eleven years, and then droppedit. That was in the days of Wesley; and it fs to be noted that Wesley, in framing the ‘Articles of Religion for the Methodist Episcopal Church, di not insert that articlo nor did he anywhere make aby allusion to it, This omis- sion was CERTAINLY INTENTIONAL AND NOT ACCI- DENTAL. 5 ‘And this view is strengtheened by the well- Jenown fnet that Wesley was deeply attached to the Moravian ministers, who were generally Restorutionists, und especially to Peter Bochler, who declared that the time would come when every lost soul in Hell would be redeemed: and that Wesley himself in bis later years came into a broader hope for all mankind. Now, will the Kock River Conference, will the Methodist Church, go outside of the Articies of Religion and outside the greatcreeds of Christi- ‘anity, and drag in the cathechism that was cer- fainig never intended in any high sense to be a standard of aoctrine; will the Church do this to find a law to condemn, not a positive belief or teaching in reference to the future of souls— for to this my studies bave not led me—but to demn 2 hope that the love of God that is greater than fhe measure of our poor finite fniads may somehow tind 2 way in the endless ages to reach and snve at loastsome of those not saved in time? Lnope the Church will do a eho te Cc nh believe and teach. Does the Methodist Cnurch believ * and docs it require its ministers to believe and tench, that the doom of every soul is Irreversa- ply sealed at the moment of death? Is there, CAN THERE BE NO HOPE IN TUE ETERNAL ’ AGES? ; ‘Where ig your warrant far this? By what law of the Church catuolic will you thus bind men? Why, even the catechism does not, do this: for it speaks of the final doom only after the judg- marathon 1 by which to expe! Brethren, you have no law by wi me formy dows of a future hope. It has been decided by the highest courts of England that 2 minister of the Established Church cannot be disciplined for not believing in endless punish- ment, that the Church hus no law requiring that belief. Nor is there any such law in the Methodist Church. ‘The Methodist Church as yet is favorably conditioned to be an example Of tolerance. Will you ge-outside of the law, or Stretch the law, and contradict tne antecedents ot the Church whose boast bas been © to think, and to let think?’ Will you: now. declare the Methodist Church to be narrower than the Prot- estant Episcopal, or the Reformed Episcopal, or the Congregational Churches; to be the Darron est of all the sects? I hope you will do no suc thing. This ig not tt time to ‘bind burdens ‘upon the minds of men, but to lift them of. Tae Methodist Church, fortunately, as 1 think, a by the ‘providential foresight of ‘Wesley, is in & or spirit of that sermon were severe, or seemed liken challenge to the conferenee, L can only suy now that [regret it, and that such was not my intention, but rather to free my soul from a burden too beavy to be longer borne. Did not the conference just after this sermon pass my character again? And then, when brother Sheppard, on his own accord, and asa matter of simple justice to ime, moved that tho passnge of my churacter be understood as re- seinding the sition of the censure of two years betore, did not this conference table that mo- fon, and then ‘by a large majority pass a reso- luton ASKING ME TO LEAVE, not only the ministry, but to withdraw from the Chureh?. And then, when I declined to do this, was not’ the mutter referred to x com mitttee, and did not that committee rec- ommend that = =omy case be referred to tho Presiding Elder? And * when there was fear that no one would move in the matter, and thatit might drag along through the whole yeur, ut my request you asked Drs. Jewett and Hatfield to prefer charges. These are the siinple fucts in the case. How. then shall all the blame reston me? Did'not you begin tho netion, ‘and have I not ail the time been on the aefensive? But it may be asked why did Tinot withdraw from the church at your request and in that way avoid further trouble? ‘This I felt [ could not do without pincing both myself and the Coureh ina false position; my- self as seeming to assent to your charges of un- sounduess in doctrine, and the Church as being liable to the accusations of - DOGMATICAL, NARROW! Both of these resnits I wished to avoid, and the only way out of the trouble seemed to be by such a fair. invéstization of the facts in debate ns would do justice to all’ parties. In this we were wereed. And is it fair now to put tho whole of the responsibility ot the trial upon me? It fs, L think, true that after I was placed under censure, some of you were then in, favor of lettinse me live along.as best Tcould with that lond pressing me down; but others, and: the majority, were too manly to desire anything so untair. But the question still remains, Was I not to blume for preaching the. sermons -that at first led to the trouble? ‘That may be. I have never considered myself infallible, 1t may not have been wise to discuss the themes [did at ail; inay not bave been’ fortunnte in my method. can only say that nt the time itseemed the prop- er thing todo. ‘These questions were before the public mind. . Mr. Ingersoll and others were publicly nttacking tho Bible und the doctrines of our common Christianity. felt 1 should ue- fend them. But todo this I had to choose my own line of battle; and I sought to free the de- Date from whut .seemed to me unten- able und embarrassing theories, and to take only such . positions as I felt were true and could be defended, and that I was personally willing to defend In the pulpit or upon any platform; afd holding these pusitions was as [ believed then and believe now to bold tho whole field of ‘essential religiqus truth and Methodist orthodoxy. But [was not willing to defend a “verbal inspiration” nor a “penal atonement,’ NOR WAS I WILLING TO DEFEND ENDLESS PUNISHMENT EXCEPT HYPOTHETICALLY, oras the result of endless sinning. Nor did I fecl it right to suppress the hope thut was with- in me of a better future for our sufferme race. Itscemed to me-then, and now seems, that the better course was and fs to emphasize the sure fact of punishment for sin and leave the dura> tion and results with a merciful God. Nor was I willing to defend the old material ideas of hell. To mei they scemed unreasonable Qnd unjust, and in their presence any effort to construct # theodicy would bea failure; and I felt it a mutter of conscience to ‘defend tho nate of Him whose nature Is love. then ana feel now that the cause of truth de- mands open and outspoken honesty in the pul- it, and that the bare suspicion even that min- ters have one set of doctrines for themselves and another for the people wil! do more. 20 cre- ate doubt than all the lectures of a Col. Inger- soll. it in order to the best.defer- And | felt also that in Pe oe eT neg of truth and the doctrines 0 should protest ayifinst a, byper-orthodoxy and atoo literal and muterial interpretation of the Scriptures, and certala antinominian teachings that were only too Common. THESE WERE MY POSITIONS: ‘aa felt that I was- helping souls to faith ant ee for the cause of truth and Hetenclae, Methodism. And thus I stood contend aid ‘or the simple truth and trying to be fair toa an rejoiciag in the liberty. ‘of the pulpit I thong! ic go free, and that in these ‘questions ‘of ae mate what seemed tome-to be the truth and Me! be odism were so nenrly one; and you may D0" fmagine something of the ‘surprise and sorrow. dnd almost sbame that came upon me when this conference declared that I was fighting aralnn ‘Methodism and against the cause of Carist! To this day it seems like & troubled 3 or L, And f fel standing bere at this hour with a heart full of the love of truth and the love of God and man, and ready to do and suffer. for the cause of Christ, Lcan dly realize that [amon trial; on trial for heresy; on trial in the Metnodist Church, and in this great century. : : ONE TING MORE. An effort has been made to prejudice this case because of my preaching for the ¥eopte’ Chureh. What are the facts? For twenty-tve years F bad taken my appointments regularly; and then when this conterence # vear ago asked me to leave the Church, it did not seem proper for me to insist on taking work, nor to carry the trouble into a new charge: and hence £ asked for a supernameraryarciation for a year, or un- til the trouble could be settled. As a question of conscience 1 could not {cel free to stop work, nor ay x mittter of money could I well aiford to remain sidle. number of gentlemen generously offered to support aservice in the cen- ire of the city, and Laccepted their invitation. ‘This Chad a perfect right to do; but [told them iu- my first sermon.that [ was a’ Methodist, and a member of the Mock River Conference, and that I hoped as such to live and die.” ‘When £ started north last summer, nine months bad passed since conference. and the charges against ine had not been preferred. Sty case seemed. 1 had lust four months by sickness, and the ‘Trustees felt that if they continued tho service at ail they should begin on-the Ist of Septem- ber, and f consented to serve another ycar- ‘These are the facts. And yet Dr. Parkhurst de~ clared that * Dr. Thomas does not intend to stay in the Methodist Church. ‘ ALL IE WANTS ig the glory of your approval to turn bis back on you and walk out and leave you and _go to bis audience in tho theatre in triumph. ‘This is his - object in foretng this trial upon the Chuceb. ‘Thls is the whole of It.” You can see how fulse and how: unfair is suchastatement. Had [nota right a3 a supernumerary, practically forced as Iwas into that relation. to engage in that work? And if acquitted, conld Lnot, if thagyht best, re- mitin as supernumerary and continue that work? Or, could [ not be nppointed to It indett- nitly? This would not. beirrecular, Have we norappointed Brotner Trusell to, the relief work, and Brother Youker to Moody’s Tuberna- cle fer yeai : And now, brethren, [bave tried toset thiscase before you us plainly a3 possible. I am not iu conflict. with our articles of relizion on theques- tions of the Scriptures and the atunement. You have no law by which to expel me for wy teach- ings concerning future punishment. Had you such 2 iw, you would then bave the denomina- tionnl right. to dogo; burit would not be sa rendily conceded in these days that you nave a morut rizht to become NARROWER THAN THE GOSPEL OF CHIIST, acd to exclude trom the ministry one who be- lieves in His doctrines and who is trying to builé up His kingdomin the world. And, If: you do, what encouragement is there fur young men ta enter the Methodist ministry with the biore than possible alternative before thea of having to 0¢ either silent. or false. to their deepest convic- tions. or else, after having labored long and hurd, to find the years that should be full ot peace and rest all-clouded and troubled with strife and debate—and may be, at last, turned out to die. ‘Should you now find me guilty, I shall sorrow- fuily confess that I have all my life been mis- taken n3to the breadth. of aad catholicity of Methodism. Should-you bid ine go from your midst, I shall do what good I can elsewhere, and try to tind more peaceful employ than in fight- ing tho Church I have so lun loved and served. Wesballall soon be done with our work on enrth. 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