Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, April 13, 1875, Page 2

(2] ~ BEECHER. The Defendant Getting Near the End ot Ilis Story A Day Dovoted to the Oonver- shtionts with Mis, . Moulton, fthat Lady's Damaging Siafemonts Flatly Contradicled. Aooording to Mr, Beccher, She, Too, I5 & Porjured Liar. JtIs Now Certain that Mrs. Tilton Will Teslily under Oath, If the Pluintllf Objects, Her Deposiilon Wil bo Made Publle, A Gomplaint of Plymouth Politc« ness to Jurors. OBSERVATIONS; COURT-ROOM SCENES. ODSBAVATIONS OF PENRONS AND THINGS BY AN EVE~ WITNESS, Epectat Dispatet to The Chicago Tribune, finoonLyy, April 12,—DBocchor abd family were in Gourt this morniog, Beecher looking pale and weary. Tillon followad the Becclier coterle, aud s hio passed the groat dofendant stopped conversibg and cast n hurried, penetrating glance at Tilton, Toach waa in bis seat, and Iaughied hesrlily nt somae witticlema of Tallorton, 1fo looks alightly Indisposed. Tho court-room was crowiod, and ihe gor- xidors full of dieappolntod applicants, Monlton was {o lis seat early. Inyor s still absent. Boocher took {tio stand at 11:10. He has dis- cardod his well-known capa-ovorcoat, and wore # datk heavy overcoat. 1iis voice and manner in subdued, nnd logs forcible. Evarts commenced with more vigor than any day heretofore. Tho adies wero ont in force, and, for tho first time, tho majority wore benutios. Moulton sat with hie hoat resting on his hand, and dld not movo his oyea from Beechor daring the Woodhuil-Moultan testimony, Mrs, Jones, sistor of Mrs, Licecher, and wife of tho lato Rev, Lott Jones, of tho Eplecopal | COhurch, sat near Mis, leechor. Ble looks very liko her sistor, porbapa a foit years older, and Las the eamo storn, dotermined appearanco. lor dark eyca flashed, and she bowed hor head afirmatively when Descher mede any strong denials. Decchor's testimony concorning Mrs. Moulton was given in o hosltating tons, g0 difterent from his usual mothod that it soon becamo woard- somo. Home of the spcointors laft tho courle room, dizappointod, appareutiy, at tho lukewarm- ness of tho testimony. Tho old Beochior spirlt returnod for a fosy mo- ments when Evarts ssked witnesa if o had ever gpoken of us sdultory with Bra. Tilton to Mra, Moulton, Iio grandly denied over speaking of suoh o thing, 1o fanked his deninls by saylng lio nlsways found Mra. Moulton a thoroughbrod Iady, and incapsble 3f mentioning such eubjocts in convorsation, 1iis denala wero short, and ut- terod in a slow, undecldod way, vaatly different from his previous emphaticmothod, Ha charac- terizod one of AMrs, Moulton's statoments as a pute, absuluto dream. Parson Halliday left tho courlroom at 13. Ho wora s black skuli~cap closcly resembling a Car- dinal's cap, differing only ia color. Dy 12, three ladics and two men wero soundly slecping, evidently wenried by watching for somothing sensational. Bosldes, theatmonsphoro of the court-room 1a decidely homogeneous with sloop. Ar 12:90, Boecher's color roturned tohis faco for tho Brat timo to-dny, and he answexed em- phatically, with the old Boacher poculwritios, Ho was olognont. Trullerton spoke and stopped him. Toechor laughingly denied that hie was sovared with an afghnn by Alra. Moulton on May 81, or near that time, Tho morning seaston was, on the whols, vary etaloand doli, enlivened by buj few Boech- eriams. Attor rocoss Baechor held a long conyersation with Shoarman before taling the witnoss-chair. Jt was 2:10 before he wae roady to teatify. Woodley, the colored witnoss, was among tho spoctatore, Judgo Butherland, of Now York City, was on ths Beuch with Neilson, 1reocher was even paler thao fn the morning. 1is faco bas sssumed n heavy, careworn appear~ snco, almost a8 peinful as the old mpoplectic fush. 1. 13 Claflin eutered the oourt-room at 2:20. Ho took a seat among the Plymouth cotarie. Peochor becumo quite pathetio over tho Of- fenso Ownrd tostimony, and gainod the closs at- tention of the audience, but Evaris, by asking questions sa long as Iume's histories, broke tho charm, and tho audience soon ralapacd into tholir formor condition of elecping or partly sleeping. Mru. Boeohor's aliter followed the teatimony with patofal interest, often oxtending her hoad to Bhearman's shoulders. Yler oyes are larger and darker than Mra, Deochior's, Blo canuat concenl bor emotions with tha samo success as Lisr mora courtified sletor, A long intervsl of silenco occurred at 3. PFvarls ranout of memorands, and had to walt for his ussociate counsel wlilo: tloy prepared or produced them, Beecher left tho witnesa-chair and stopped bo- Bbind tho jury-box, sud engsged lu conyoreation with Moaes B, Beach, who daily watches tho grest pastor from his exaltod posliion ot tho loft of the jury, with the sirof a patronizing sliop- hord over bis pet lamb. The delay jasted twonty minntea. Evertathen produced tho atatement of Beechor to Piymouth €hurch, syd read it with considerabls elou- tionary offeck. . Much Iaughter was caused among the conneel by a caricature of Evarts in tho Grapho, which passed from band to hend, Beocher lsughed Joudly, and heartily, The afterucon sesslon was mainly composed of bpavy dullness, numorons delays, and of . ooupso denials In testimony, MB, DERCHEL'S BLUNT WAY, Once duriyg the testimony to-duy Mr, Bogoher brake oul in his blunt way to tho effect that Mrs. Moulton conld not have usod the expres- sions stiribotad to ber, mud then, probably re- membeying that sbe had sworn to them in court, he pdded, affor s log pausp, of her own accord,” This was lost oo Rvarts for a moment, but bolng reminded of it by ano of his ausoclates, ho called attontion to it and tried to introduce Begcher's oxplayation of bLls wordy, but Beach objected, and threatoucd to have iv strack out, aud Ar. Fullortou exd the wmeay- ing waa clear saough aud {mproper, 0 Lvarls dowlsted. 'The contexb ehgwe that Beocher meant to {mply tbat sbe had eworn in wsocordance with soms otber person's wisbes. PLYNODTH POLITE TO THE JUMODS, Bome surprive wap oxproused at prders to the officers given by Judge Neilsou at the close of the worging session 10 sae that the jury wore not spoken to whils eatenng and leavisg the Goart. . On asley a8 $he Jydge, b was jearnsd i that Mr, Morsls had complained that somo of tho Plymotith members Liad bean neodiessly po« litd in ealtiting tho jurofs. —— § MRS. TILTON, i PREDICTION THAT #ItE WILL FULLOW DERONEZR ON THE WITNRS8-8TAND. Spectal Diapateh ta The Chicaas Tribune, New Yong, April 12.—Motivos of dolteacy atono have not kept Mra, Tilton from attendance at court sinca Mr. Teochor went on the stand. Bho exnoels to succedd him in {li6 Witnéss-chair, or certaluly to Tollotr Afr. Cloveland as cone cluding witnosa for $lo dofenso, Mr., Beocher's counsel aro unwiiling to admit thatitis thoir jmepono to oall Mrs. Tilton, but from other gonrees of informatlon b is known that such I tholr determination, It 18 known with certainty tiat Judgs Nellsors has daclared that ho will por- mit Mrs, Tilton to testify 1t both oides will con- sont ta 6, Tho dofenso recoguizo, pethaps, tuat public eontiment demands Mrs. Tilton's testimony, and they will make the offer for two roamons according to Mr, Beectier's friends. Thoy whnt hor Lostimony In tho firet place, bolng satisfled that 16 whil corroborato Mr. Beechor in overy Important particular, aud introduco neoded nartation of cireumatances under whick tho do- fenso alloge that tho confession and other pa- pera wero forcod from her by bor husband, Tho second renson s that if they do not get her tes- Umony it will placo plalotift in position of ex- cluding it, ond this thoy Lelievo will strongthen their caso beforo .tho jary and publie. Dut whether plantaT takea thig positlon or not, dl- roet testimony of Mra, Tilten, undor oath, will be glven to tho public. s THE TESTIMONY IN DETALL. MRS. MOULTON'S STORY. THE WOODHULL AOAIN. New Yonx, April 12.—Tho Brooklyn ecandnl trinl attractod tba nsual groat crowd to-day, Mr. Docoher was prosout oarly, and aa Mr. Deach passed him on his way to his place In tho court. room, inquired very pasticularly about his Lenlth. Aftor a fow niluutes consultation with liis counsol, Mr, Boechor mountod tho witnoss- stand, and continuod his testimony in sabstance ns folloms: At timos I vialted Mr. Mouiton's reel- denco overy day. At othor times, mot oftemer than onco a weok, a month, or two montis. Iu 1871, attor May, tuoro wero comparatively fow vipits until the sutumn, In this poriod thero as hittlo done about tho difficulty, Lut thero won o very busy time afler the publeation of tho Woodhull ecandal. Q.—Now, I refer to tho occasion of interviows botween yourself and Mra. Moulton, and ask you if you evor hisd any conversation with her on tho Bublect of Mrs. Woodhull, sod how that oocur- red, §f thero was such a conVersation 2 A.—Yos, »lr, twico, Irecall two conversatious, One was not actly s conversation ofthor, Ste mode somo pleas- Land spicy remarkn in respect to what she regarded oy tho azsgersted enthusiaam of 3rs. Tilton and her Dusband for that woman, At anothier timo she asked me when we waro togothar in her front chambor—it was kind of recelving room— WIIAT I TIOUGIT ABOUT XAS. WOODNULL. 1 cannot use her languago, but the languige was such an was carried with it Bhe wanted to know what I thought of her ns compared with what hor hus- tond thonght, and tho ofliers, Ay reply was that I lind no_means porsonally of xnowing anytuthg sbout her, I derired my fuformation from others, and that T didn't bllevo {n her views, I hoped thit aho was what thoy thought slio wae, sad, ns she asked me about Terself fu relation to lier, [ told'her I didn't think alo conld_ever do her any'hnrt, It wasa very sincors complimont whioh I pald to her—that T didm't think abe could be hurt by such women, 1n what conversation did she refer to heraslf at thi rvlew 3 {n what conversstion did sho refer to Bra. Woodbull and herself in_this sraoclalion? A Well, tho convorsation srose from tho fact that Mrs, Woodhull frequented thelr Louse, and that shie told mo Frauk kiad desired it, and that she Lad consented to it. It was in such languago that it lefc in my miud— that 1 nuderstood 1t Lo meati—that sbo received hor on Frauk's account, beoauso ho wished it, —Woll, didl she_make any inquiry of you ns to whiat she thouglt of lor asacciation with Mrs, Wood- hull belug racelvad at her Louse? A.—It was in con- uectlon with tho deaof ler belug received at her ouse., Q.—Well, il ahio put it to yon—in what woy? A.— She vald substantially that she hersolf dldn't fanoy the woman, but that ¥rank wishod {t; aud it was acooine panted, T {Link, at that ime, by some couversation as to how she began ber married Lfe with too stringent viows, Hlio TAD CIANOED ILER VIEWS, and thought 1 wan better for Ler, na o wife, to con- form o her huabind‘s wis Q.—NuW, in this sonveraation, or {n any other con- versation Iu which the nawe or assoclation of Mra, Woodhuil was iutroduced, wea snything said by Mrs, Mouiton to you abont lior husband wishing her to asnociato with or roceive AMrs. Woodhull on your ac- count? A.~—Nover n word, rir, Q.—Waa the subject of anyiling telng done, or nceding (o bo dona, with Ars, Woodhull 1n reference to you aud your affsira apoken of by Ars, Moulton 7 A,=—No, air} nothing st all, ‘Q—Now, sir, in any conversation betweon yon and Birs, Moulion on this subleet of tlio Woodhull associa- tion, did you say to hier, # 1think it is n duty you owe to Frauk to co-operate with bira to iry and keop the 8 ory quiet™? A,—No, sir; not s syllable of 1t, Q.-Did you, 1n ‘reporting fo A, Moulon sy con: versation you fiad biad with his wifa on this subject of Lre, Woodliull, eay Lo him that you bad told Ler that ou tnought it 10 be her duty (o co.operate with her usband for the suppression of these storlea coucern- ing yourself and irs, Tlitou? A~—No, sir; totlin of that kind, I iajked with Mr,Moulton as far as it could be done with propriety in’ his ordinary affalrs concertiig company and such things us that,” It had 10 reference o thia matter, v Q.—You havo stated fhat beforo, My question {s, whelior o Taporting to Mr. Moulion conversation you lad had with his wifo on tho subect of associa~ o wits Mss, Woodll, yon satd to_birs, Moulton that you thought it $o Lo ber duty to co-opérate with Lor usbaud for (be suppressslon of there storles? A.—1never so talked with Blrs, Motlton, aud I never told Mr, Moulton that I did, Q.—DId you over have any conversation with Mrs, Moultou on the aubject of her atlouding iuur churel, aud, if #0, wl;.;Y'--ua ‘between you on that subjoct 1 A~~Yes, air. 1 have talked with her about beiig at clurch ' st’ varfous times aud weys, I rocol Tot Ler telling me that—{n 1871, It was—I havo forgot- ten how it was ntroduced, but I rememmber ber speak- ing with somo anxicly as respacts securing s pow for tuat year ; that Mr, Moulton had told hor that e was tabave ona; that aho was soliciious to know whother Frauk Lad forgoiten ft. She was lnd caough to' EIPREAS NERSELF COMPLIMENTARY OF ME for imroviug, as abs thought, 1a preaching, partly in Ler judgment'and parily on’ what was Lol her, aa I undorsiood from her, aud T recollect seslng er not unfroguently in the church,—not regulsrly. Tyice I distineily recollect hor coming fo the pulplt stepa and waiting ° for mo . after - servico, | and, be- foro the conpregation hsd pe) bring. ivg somo orrand from Mr, Moultan, and wanted ta sep ma, I recollect talkipg to ber on one ocesion [n which sho said {u o very plossant way~sho bad s sparkling and pleasant manter, a very' lncero auy winple aud yet plodeaut way—eho satd 1 #You did not #co me at tho cliurch yestorduy,” I Aid uot,” saya I, 3t ip llWl"l 8 very plegssnt ‘thing for me to ses you in church,” or words to that elfect, Q.—Now, air, whnt pansed between you and sho on tho occaston of your visit to Lier Louvs by the way of auvitation or suggesiion by Lor that you should muake visila 1o tior? “A.—L rocoliect twice aistinetly, but Linyo o leas positive recollection of once or twice more,— but X apesk of twice with certainty,—that shie sald tomoe ouca frow tha head of the stairs, and ouce up-staira in the chamber: * You slways come (o sew Frank, WY DON'T YOU COME TO HEE M?" and T turued it off, nnderatauding $t10 be a courteous iut of welcome, otc, At ono time sho spoke frouy Lo Lop of tho stalrs, as I had gono down-stalrs, snd waa near (ho closks(and, Bioupoke in (ho saind way and says, * Br, Beecher, {n coming, £ wish you would comu ko #co g, and uok ou business,” or words to thaat elicet, THE TIITON PAMILY, Tn reference to converrations with rs, Moulton about Tilton and _Lis fymily, Mr. Boucher testified an fullows 3 My convermations’ with ber had slmust, it muy be eald four (fines out of 0o, Lad reforouce’ to Trs, Tiligu, sud Thud requested her toact sa Mrs, "Titon's next frjend. I could pot, Ler mother could not, and ] wasnted somebody that wae futervstod and womanly who would, T thought 3rs, Moulton to Leetninently & womanly person, aud she would toll ;e thut Eljzabeth had Leelt around to zee her the dav be- fore, and I would ask how she seomed, Well, yome- (bines whe seemed either chicerful or hoveful, and at oflier times Liad 8 Jespouding spell, 80 that the conver- sation would run upon that, Hho at timev rathes thought #sbw novar fold me Elizabeth outright.” T frcollect s couversation in whioh I thought abs on tho wholu felt thst Llizabeth migat do somo better i soma riapecty, but puwre ofien in (he conversations it pps spected Elizabetl she upoko with sorau degreo of sie vorfty about M, Tillou, gud gave me to undprytand in differeut converations that she [dlsapproved of his couduct and course 1n respect o hils wifo snd {n rp- apect Lo Lis Liotpe. 1 understood it to cover that, Lut not to excludo oOther thiugs, In othor words, I tought sha thoroughly DI NOT LIKE B, and I recollect 8 cquversation ju regard lo her, lu which T spolio of hior waut, Lier Heceas " Q,—Yoil inean Mrs, Thion? AN, Tilton. I to)d ber that L would ba perfectly willlug, if i} might be douo without indelicacy iu sny way=I suould bo very glad to depowit fundi to expond upon Ler judi- clotisly when alie waw any such wunt—tlat & woman's eyo would know, would “recoguize, 1 recollect it ans o ber ypeaking of & siate of thinge which ulie found, St Whick was Very discouragiug {0t o Tawlly, and sho meemed qulto sxl gbour i, snd - abe mid, 1 dou't sse how Elizabelh con gob uloug, aud I sbuull mot woudse at suy time 1¢° wha should Lreak out and go ko Ler mothor's, 1 Lold Lier fu the ulate of tujugs §3 would be niost fulal, wud ke uughit on ol sccouuty to remuin 3 Lbat, though ftway v:ry’&ard 10 bear, it wonld be harder uot to beur it Thxt was b in subatince, 'Q~DId you stany time haves consultation with Wrv, Moulton ae fo Bow shis trouble bad sriscy, sud a¥ (o what degres of fault Wiere bad been on your parl, and sny discusslon as{oany foult ou Tillon's Jurly A~=Yos,alr; LLada Gonyprsation with hes on .wiiat comes to you, I will always ‘be your friend, and THE CIIICAGO TRIBUNE: TUESDAY, APRIL 13, 1875. —_— that aubjeet, aubgect af having allen. | understand why stie should hava dented 127 A—No et L b om e et o Rye: il | aif, 108 In conetion with any mich canxerntias, fon's. hlections, Mid It was an exposition of my feel- | =il 10 1n anyconvernation with rofarence to ingte about it siring thel skn siotld go' Lo your ehuech oF fn any ollicr form or manner, did youl eay that ynu felt you VAT DEECLY, AL 10 let her know at- iml refiemnd of yuur ain, and were forven, sod werg better fitted than ever before in_your ifa to do graat good, Do you recollect anything of that kind? A,— No, sir§ ot from me to hier, nor from her to ma; tur fram me to anybody elee, Q,—Di\l slie aver say this to you, or anyihing to this offect: “1don't sce how you can atand and preach {0 young meh agsinst the bt of adultery, whed younre implicated 11 1t ko deaply yourrelt "7 A.—Mrn, Moni- fon was a lady, and she nover talked about adultery fn my prescnco, tnder any cireumatances, nor made Any ailusions to such 8 erime, or puck o foul sln, Q.~\Was anything of the kind sald by her respecting yourrelf ¥ A,—Never. Q.—Now, did you, in roply fo any snch alervation, or any obweryation, bay ¢ Maving passcd {brough the expericncoe I have, "1 feol I sm beltor fitted than ever lefora to proach 7 A,—I hava aaid to somebody, wirther it wan liee or not T don't know, thst my groat trunbles and perlls hod depressodl iy tisturo and bronght mo into a large u‘mmu\ with suffering men; and that T thought T conlll preach beltor than I could before, but it seomnad ta me God had LED ME TIROUGK DARK WATA for that very purpose, but it lLal no reference fo tha topie in your quoation, Q.=\Van it will peferetice fo any cliarge, Implication, or fact af adnllery that you mado any such observa- ton? A.~—No mich thing, Q.—Now, air, d1d this_conversation ever ocenr, or anyiing of this_nature,—any conversation letweon yoitraell and Mrs, Moulton, 1 now read from her testi- mony L ¥ T once repaated to Mr, lleschor s conversa- Aton T had had with Mrs, Tilton, thas she felt xha could no longar remain with Tiiton, 316 wa_continually re- fereing to this sin which she had committed ¢ thit he ‘would not let 1t dis out, anl that she thought that sho would not live with him lohger; Ibal ate wan 1 ANA 1 attempted, ea far na I couldy A6y how 15 an withant any indelicate—without pt- ting Mra, Tilion in any relation that would be degrad- ing cr indelicate, 1 found it an embareansing conver mation to have, and much of ftiwas in {hat shadoswy Wny (n which we saprase an_infelligent and_intuliire Xind of peron to understand what wo_mean witkiont any plan words of expressiouss hut T wanted ber ta understand -muncui that 1 had mever consclonsly witlulrawn Llizabath's affections feom ber hiumband, Q.—Did jou 80 expross yoursol(? A,—Idld, very diatinotlr, Q.—Did sou, i1 any of thrss conversationa with Men. Atonton, express o her tha degres of grief or come ptinetton that you had fu reforence Lo what had occur- red? AT did, air, Q.—And bow il ‘you express youtsol in that ro- garid? A—Well, 1 exproase mynelf ns & man that was very ensitive of auch A mabtgr aa that, Isalil it win n gricf a3 deep 49 my heart could feel; that T conld not forgive mysell, seeing what mischicf lnd heth wraught, for I was'all this time under & profound conyiction that Thad unintentionnlly and uncaneciously swroughit In (hat qnlet Uttlo woman & smonldoring Are 1hat hiad burned unknown to me, and whioh had broke out with auch infinito mischict, ©Q,—\What did Mre, Moulton say In regard lo the subject you talked about? A.—drs, Houlion never mafil & groat deal fo sticl converaations, Sho was not, us far na X was concorned, alker, Bhe was A YERT PATIENT LISTENER. 8he was vary quick’ and apprelicusive, She did nob generally tatk ono wortl to my twenly, A QUESTIONADLE COMPLIMENT, Q.—Now, Mr, Beecher, dunng all your inferviews it Bes, Sloullon at tfal house, wak anything cver #ald by Mra, Mouiton to you on the anbject of having been ‘guilly of crimo with Mrs, Tilton T Ayhirs, Montlton was abaofutely fneapabio of nying that fu my | gong home to llvs ‘with ter imotlier, Mr. [ | Beecher “mald: {Telt = Elizabeth, ~for' e, rotence, snid nov.r said It Ly irect worda or by allus | (Joither, msigl Tt Fabel, o th o live withh him, and be 1 to him—a good wifo— a1t make his home happy sud’ as atiruciive as possi- ble, Tkuow ahe has much to cndure, Lut she mustdo 1t for iny sake, for her own, and her chfldren‘s sake. T baye a fanitly and alie has nothing to hope for of m and the only way sho can ever ses mo fs by Lvingt with ‘Theodore, snd Lelng to hin s good and frue wife'"7 A.—False]l Falee| Q—Now, sr, qId snyihing of this kind oc~ onr? If° wo, what wsa ft? Mm, Aloullon sayst ¢ When 1 repealed fo bim & converss- tion with Mrn. Tlton, and she mall (t was not Mr, Decehor's fault but hers, ho sald: Itis not her fault: it famy fault, Iam to blame, Elizabeth wan mot 1o blame, Bhe §s a good woman, and I alwars want you to love and respect her '”2 A,~—In the con~ vorsatious I bad with her 1 always took the blame to myself respeoting the lienstlon of her affoctious from her husbaud, Islways TOOR TIE DLAME TO MYBELF, 20 long aa I thought mischief bad beon Wrought by my infiuence_ in (rmhrr‘ln%' Ler love from ler hushand o mo, I slways muld flat my sgoend experience Q.—Wan there any converaation at Any timo between goiand Strs, Moullon in which that shage or fmil- iation sgatnst you In rospoct to Mre, Moulion bs maids by onyuody-— Jndgo Nellson—Mrx, Tilton, you mean ¢ Mr, Evarla—>Mre, Tillon as made by anybody, were ‘mad tho subjozt of conveastion? A,—Mrs, Moulton and 1 norer convereed on that subject In that aspoct and in ticso relations, Sho wad a iady, thoroughbred 10 my Impression, snd T uover heard ‘Her aay & word Ahat Jarred npon my sonses or delicacy and’ the pro- pristy of o lady's tonguie. Q.~Now, air, you Liave aaid that you had mo Inter- viow with {lila Taiy on the 2d of Jube, aud 1 now ask you shcther, at iy Interviow, Aty of (ho remntks 1 Auail apeclally direct your aitention to were aad tweon dira, Moulion and yourself, DI you,on any occa- bon, xay t0 Mrs, Moulton, in & canversatlon you had witli Der, that that was probatiy iho last conversstion you should over Lava withher? A.—Referring to Usstli—n probable death FURTHER DESIAL. Q.—Referring to anything directed o the possibiity should havo lod mp fo foresce and prevent suy such or robability o€ furtier conversatious with her? A il T TE DMl vau myy fo her, 1 fel, If Tillon publishen m"llf—hl"'fow‘ Mr, Deecher, did yon haro a convarsntion Ihat letter of &) writh Mre, oullon, ar ofa n which aha loak auy part, somo tmo §n tho firal half of tho tmonth of July of the 0ar1874 7 A.~Yes, 6ir ; thero was, 1t could” bardly called o convarsation, Q.—Now, will you bo ro gootl s o tell us what hap paned betwoen you and lior? A.—I dont kuow whint fou refer to, but I only recollect having a conversation n reapect Lo n paper which Moulton waa to read befora tho Inveatigating Commilttse. MOULTON'S BIIORT STATEMENT. Q—Will_you pleane state what youhad $osayon tuat subject? A,—Wall 2 Q.—Tiers waa an interview between you and Moul- gy, It is uscless far me lnz[lmlxnfln Iivo this dwa, {ng any longer to Live A.~No, I did not, Q.—Dil you ever say anything of this kind : I feel {hut it Tilton publishcs my lottar of apology it 1a nse- leas for mb ta try any longer o Live this down. Ihave never felt thet I'had much to Liope for from Thocdors. Holas been faithless; hio fs & faitblcss man;: he secms 10 lose night of the fact that In striking at oie or atating the trutk concerning ms bio sacrifices his wifs, and {7 that letter of WIOfU {3 publisbed Iinight as well g2 out of Ife; it fsusclesn tryingtaLive it down 't A.—1 norer fel I naver thought so s down T nd 1 never nald & Jurmurs of applauss—muppi ., ton? A,—Thoro wus, Q. hl[!lm in any lllrc'g mn"ru:alon sy to you, Q.—And was his short atatement, ua it {s called, road Mr, Beccher, thora {8 something better for you fodo | fo you by him? A,—It was read lu my presouce, than that, I ihinkthat would Le & very cowardl thing for youtodo, Qo down fo sour church an goufoea your otfme. They will forgive you 7 A ko never sald anything of that kind'y o, alr. Q.—Now, sir, did you say st any such conversation, 4 No, 1 cannot'da tht for the saka of the woman who has given me her lovo; for hor children, for my fami- | {0 that effoct, Tuat waa the substanco of thst con- Iy for my eliurch, for. my Infinoncy throughout e versation, e whole world ; that I can niever do, o bofora ~\What A1d you 53y to that 2 A,—It was cagual nn o A S e vt . Very G | tenatogte Sl yon say 4 umphantly I afiirm that, Now, Mr, Beecher, did any intczviow occar in Q,—DId sl say {lifs to you, *Booncr or later the | the months of July. hetween yoursolf sud Mra, Moulton truth 1n this case wiil como ont, It is much beiter | of this nature -{lr. Deecher,what have you done that that you ahould take your case In your own banda and | has offended Frauk, Ile i3 very augry with you." atato to your church—givo to them a confesaion anch | You said, % I don't kiow, I aw uofry ;7 and shaasid, a8 you could mako to them, and 1 am sura they would | T think he s angry becauso yot bave callad ke Come forglve you"? A.—Never, sir; though Iknowsome- | mittoe,” You said, ™ I djdu't call the Commiites, My thing—wlat tust was made out of, ilo} the (ommitteo, I certainly eould not Q.—Now, sir, did you say in reforance to thia sug- goation of Lers, or i conversation at all, * No, that [ canuot do, 1 should be—my children would Jespise ma; I could not go back to my iome, and my church would not forgivome. Thay would niot doal with ma aa you huve done, Thore wuuld bo nothing left for mé to do, My wark would be finfshied, It would be vetter tust T shonld go out of 1ife than {0 remain any longer in it,"—anything of that tonor oroffect 7 A.— Nasuch corversatlon. "1t was impossibis for lier ‘and or ma, Q.,—DIdl she then suggeat, or atall snggest in any conversallon, ihat you could write for your paper’ {oucould go'to your farm and wrile? A.—-Nou slr. Q.—Itead {n your prescnce. Now, what, if anyihing, pasned between yourself and Mee. ' Moulion on_tha subject? A,—Nothing, except whien sha esme down from Uie chamber, hosald ; * 1 bave rcad this paper to Mr. Deecher, and bo thinks it will do"—or words to that offec t, and she said rhe was giand of it, or woris n investigation,” Sho said, # I don't know L happoned, bul Frank ia very angry with you, i vory sorry for {6, You sald, ¢ I sm ¥er. sarry. I have intrusted myself wholly to Froul throughout (L care, ud I have been willing to be Jed by Lim, sometince aalnst my botor Judgiont : but with relation to the church I don't think that Frank has anything todo with my managament of church affatrs; beridos, I could mob possibly obect to an investigation when my peopls wanted JL1” Now, alr, do you romembor in that mouth of July any inter: view witts Mrs, Boulton of that character? ch, and while 'hfi"&:"xmm of 1rs, Munlton never. garome suy such couneel, nat cver easily hav ry heartlly, yot auy statoment ored inio auy diplomstis conversations of that sde by lier, o any ono ibat I sald tha church e Kind with me whatsoever. —Aud dld you in any. convormation with ber sy : #Nos 1f they would not listen to kear mo proach, they cortafnly would not read anything that Ishould writo, Desldo, my position in ife 1 that of & spiritual and maoral leacher, ' 1¢ I can o longer hola that position, then thers ia nothing left for mo, and 1 am rexolved to tuke my ifo. Dad called this Commuiteo, and that T could not pro- vent It, s entiroly untrus, I NEYER MADE SUCI A STATEMENT to Mrs, Moulton, Q.—1n fact, you had called Ihe Committee—had you not?_A.—Of coursoTdid. Iwas the main starier, Tue Dacon letter no sooncr camo to my efla than I shot as quick as a sportsran docs wheéa Le seos & pqrmdrgu'- eyo—TX let fly at it instantly, Q.—Now, air, in regard to what Aylrm may have safd ahont Moulton®s statoment, Alrs, Aoulton givos {his: “ihen I wept up sialrs,’ 1 asked Beechpr {nlo the front room, and_ e, Moulton said (o Mr, Deochor i my prosence, ‘Do you think my statement for tho Commitice a0 honorable ono'? and *I sald I do, per- fectly p0.” 1 53id be must bo the Judge Limsalf { that 1 wait 1ot qoing to make any objoction o it, and when wa camo dawn to the room below, Alr. Maulton sald, #3fr, Boechor dosa not make sny objection to my statoment,’" Now, Mrs, Moulton glves this narra- tivo: Mr, Moulton 'lcft and wont down stalrs, Then ihcre was an interview bLetween you and her in which she said—* Mz, Deochor, do you know what 3ir. Tllton Lt promisad tn the Fagle to-night?" o 0 s 1 MAVE A POWDER ; st home on my library table, which I have prepared, which T suall tako and shall pass quiotly of, s if golng to slevp, without & struggle,"—did you havesny conversation of tat kind 7 A~—That wholo represeni- atiou {u prepostorous and falsc, Aq'x—;fid y:m any powder on your lbrary tablo? =T id no '‘Q.—Preppred 7 A.—The ouly powder T had was gunpowder IITII-!IXI. [Laughter.] Q.—~And did you procesd to szy in this connection, or say atall, * § haven't sny desirs to live, I lavo notning to ive for, In fact, I pray for desth as happy roleass feom all my trials and trouble, and I fout that it T publiish now s card in tho Eapls 15 will only bo o temporary relief ; that Tiiton is likely to broxk cut agaln st auy oltier time, and T fool that y sald, ‘No, 1 didn,' 1 satd, %lelenl to glvo phypically sad mentally I am umablo to besr (his | tothe pubiloa atalement of facts in this caso in ten -mfn, and I probably shall never como to seo‘you | days, 1f he lishes thet statoment it will ruin you, P o said, ‘I thick not,’ but I sald, ho will publish your letter of conforsion, Lo sa{d, ‘I have nover imada any coufossion in writing.’ 1 said, that lotter iven to Aloulton in coufidence, ¢ Well.! s sald, *if liat 1a published it 1a & broach of confidenca on’ the part of Fraak, if bo published that lofter,! Isald, ‘L don't know anything about that; I only know that if tht _statement a publiabod, you ruined) o sald, ‘Very well, ot them como snd do their worst, 'They cannot convictane.! 1said, *Jut if Tilton fails in thi Roing o take hia cass {uto the courts,” ys hie, ¢ Ho hasn't any casas (o take into court; ho has coudonod Lia wife's offense, And Lived with lier for four years, s csnnol copvict me,’ again "7 A.—No, alr ; I never had any converwaiion Iieaning what that did, or that intent and parposs, although T perceive in that reprcaontation tha con- versations that ware had, but entirely different and to 8 different drift, i Q.—Nnw, in this connection, d1Q Birs, Moulton ro- ply : 4 dr, Moulton will tand by you, and, no matler T am convinced that tho only way oiit of this troubls for you fa by telling ths truin ™7 ‘er any such conversation, Q.—Did you thersupon, or In any conversation, ssy to liee that you would come ta soo Lot o tie day fok- lowing 3 that you bad some gifta_that you wished to A,~I don’t rememe disposa of ; soine littls mementaes for didcrent people, | I sald, ‘36 will—bo can convich you,’ snd Isald, ‘I powsthlug which you wanted her to bear to Ellzabet) don’t think it s nowtoo late for xyau to go down and something for JiTerent frionds, or messages which | confess to jhochurch;’and then I sald, ¢ Now you you wanted lier 10 bear for ,-zi:n, and you would coma er £op, Mr, Deccher, how much botter it would have been on tho following day 10 8e6 her? A.—No, sir; noba far youif you Lad taken my advico in tho bc%nnlufi an ‘Word- pure absoluto dream o fictior, "% | and’ made s confession to your clacl Q.—Naw, sir, did you nt this interviow or at say toe then you would have only iho origioal sin torviow 82y to Alrs, Roulton—did you tell her, eliber | to answer for, and mow you have four years with or without {rara streaming dawn your fate, tat | of lglog sud’ perjury “to aumwer for. = lo d'sulered 1he tortures of ihe damnods hat | sald *T will never coifess jt. Iwill dio beforsT maxe ¥ biigod to go home snd woar u ehect. | o coofession.’™ Now, sir, did any such conversation fuls ‘wheit you appeared i the pript yon must | ever ocour botween yor, aé wbich anything of thst kind wassald 7 A.—No, sit, ’ No syon coxbEnsATION, Q.—Xow, ot thls Intorview, or at any time, ald you sny tin,—1 moas e poriod'of time tits July petlod, 10 you ssy you had regarded Tilton as a fulthices w5 that you now folt you fiad not spuck hiope from bi, aad thot you b siow tmado up your falud tg et i ; appear at your beat$ that tho slightest indicatlon of B N was » corJesslon of wWeabncas on Four purt] and that really she was TUE ONLY PEREON TO WIOX YOU COULD GO, and act your naturyd solf ;a5 to her you could uavell your whole Leart's struggle,—aid you'say anything of hot kind 7 A.—1 said something like that, lirbl.m!lu no epch connection or pointing in suy such direction | tiem come on a tholr wors$, they o8 that (o polnlln‘v. conld not couvict you? o, miry; I Q.—Now, s'r, plesse stalo in what counoction or | don't recollect. 1 dou't ~jmagine pny such upon what aubject you did say auything of this nature sinll A1t woa in & conversation of whother I should endure any longer he strain and atruggle to carry forward this troubls in concealment, or by silenice, under ihe incossant provocations and dispo- sitfons'of Tiltan to leak st overy sidp and ralse up new dificuliies, and the thne had come, I told her, when the matter had got to come toa Losdl, I would notstand the wear and tear under any conditions ‘much longer; that ¢ woula wear mo out, and that T ahonid meet tho matter sud should bring it to tha surfuce, aud bayos disclosure, aud Lave the thing wettlod, That i tho substance, Q.—Now, when, 1f you can state, was §t that any such conversation which you Lave' Jast statod bore a Art? A,—t boron pari on Biturday morning of 3y 81,1 think, sir, d Q.—K¢ thielr Bous? A=At thelr house, Q,—3lr, zecher, I call your sitention o some state- menta of Mrv, Moulton {n regard to reports which sho ‘made ta you concerning interyiews which abe hag had it v Tiifon. DId Biva. Moilon vepurt |lo' Yyon jny conversation shie ad vl 'l n infhepo Sror ko nagire auih efeed 1hat sirs, Tiltoh had bad felt vory worry for Ars, Moulton, ""‘P’"‘fi for Lior (Lsi) for berself, hecause alio (Mrs, Moultou) Lad LOST PAITH IN MI. DRECUER, s ‘becausa eho (Alrs, Moultou) waa unable suy longer to attend tho church, and that she (Mrs, Tilion) bfl;u:«l her (Atre, Muulton) to go back 0 the ‘church snd be- Heve fa Bz, Doecher, aud that Mrs, Moullongiad said, #Elizabetli, how can you ask mo {o go Lack fo tho conversation whilch waa powible, sud I dog't remone Ler its l.\kl\m‘ lace at any one times Ididn't hesl tate tosay FTlllnn ‘waa a foollsh o a4 later atages of (be matter, I sald that ho wai lcan man, aud if the wtter’ should come to open dis- should worst them ; hub I nover wald that finplicstion cusjon they could not convich me, carrying (b that I Licld there waaa crime, snd ' co ot iy o mo Alectsea 1 &1L that [t teit: Q.—Nothing of that kind'7 A.—Nothing of that ,—DId snylhing of {his kind, ps given by Mry, ngl . In wun:gflon with :ho nmu':hy in' Jul; sho it thus: “ After o conversation with Mlu on in tho frout room, afier sayin, ‘xwd-we to Lim, he cama to me and ook my hund in his, and said, 4 You are $ho best friand X Liavo in this world, You aredearer to me tban s aister, for you, knowing the {guth, knowing sl ey gulll atll stand by me whila hey beliova n my innocence? M¢ A.—Ng, sly; I never was guiltyof maklug any such fooiish speech as that, Q.4-Did you ssy anythiog of the Kind T A,—I didu’f, 1 told her phe was 1o mo like asister, Leaye out {he rest of it, I bave cousidered Ler {n mapy yeapocts & firmer friend me {ihau apy ollier one fn regard to thp condition and feglings ;-l(lha‘{un of M, Tiltou, s I had kept a vow of Aluol- ute silepce A had talked with no one but her on the subjeet in full, auly witls Ler, and § ivd endpared ber fo we. aud i Qi feel for her a monl mincere patepin and affection, snd sbp therefore never wmarryd that eateein aud affgo- tion by sny wuch conyerstion with mo pnd maklng th the exception of s, Moull church? How can youssk me to take communion | sny sich reply to her, from hands, knowing What I do?" oosA“ wald, 41 ,—Did siything of thia kind occur between you want you to belive In ki, He is man,’ He lias repeuted of thocrime, I am the ons who s to blame, 1{uvited him,"_Hfrs, Moulton replied: #1 thfuk T mlght Lear ALy, Beecher presch, wnd porhaps might derivo some beneflt from wazmons, vut I con uover go back to Church with the sama feof- 12y that L liad 4 th years before—d1d Moution say naything Uk fhat to you T A,-Noyulr; aho novee yeported any suich copversatlopn g that, por do T think 1 ponaibla for e t0 look wup lu thp face and say tho alt o . snd Mrs, Moilton | 1t {s atateq by bor that once t Lar bouss you safd, referring $o the interview, you had brought so wmnch troublo and sorrow on yousself, Elizabeth, and the housshold, sud sald z # I “think & wowan i pa much to Llame s s men, Bhowss the mothier of 'Ave or #ix children, snd it does uot seem to 156 possibla that she conld hiave dona what she had dono without knowing wlist sbu Was doing, sud shs 1 certatnly ps smurh to blaue a8 you are 1le sald : ¥ No, slis {» Dot ta blamu. It i3 fny fault, I 1 reaponalbility sud all the blawe on inyse! q.—-nm' Mrs, Moulton report any such conversa- | anytbipg of that kind pccur? A,—No such wnvqx‘-’a- 1lon =4 this as haviug occurred between hersel, ton oa thal is put togetber aecurved, ‘There werd dis- My, Tltons *1 callad to se Elfzabeth, and cussjony jo may l’uuuu" uot particularly that 1 re- +5t you are called before tho church, whst s member distingtly, but there were copyorsatjous in ve- golng la do to save M, Deo.lier1! “Sue ol wpect Lo tho now doctrine of logy sod relative sacrifice my busband, and Flsk pveryihing®! positions of Indljnuflmcu or culpatllily of mon aud $W1 you ailow yous liusband o' go dowy 1’ and yomen I verious yelutions (u liso, Huch, conyerss- #ald, V1 think I should ba fustified in denying every- | tlons I have beard fn'the household, though ¥ don't thlug for the sake of Mr. licocher' juflucice, for tho | recall Shat i connection with Mr, Moulton, par- suke of thu churcly, and for Lo sake of ths great intor- estsat stake, 1abiould by justified in sacrificlog my busband and family 1 “A—Pure fction { not s wonk of truth fu Ji—uot & word, ,—DId you say this to Mrs. Moulton: * Yooy child, wbio 16 trying to repalr thio wrong bie las dduo u‘-! w}zmluulhu wig, but it ate 7" A,—No, »irg not, G-DId you, 1o auy couversation with Mrs, Moulton, aay thoxs words, or 1o this cffect s ¢ Thiat {i was vory critel that Llizabcth should Liave confessed at all; ibat it wad vary ubjust to bl ¢ that bo could nob under- stand it, ‘1o did not know why ahie should haye doge 1, or ihat sheshould huve sliowed him lo vialt at thulr house for alx wonths stter ahs had confeased it 0 hor husband ; tbat it subjected him {o unplesssnt greel. ugs and mestings with Bar pusband, aud by did nob fculaply nob &g that 8 alated, with the fmplication thn ILM carvied; no such couversailon ever ook place Letwoen her sud me. Q.—Now, sir, did Mrs, Moulton ever report to you Ler' tuterviow’ butween herself od My, Georgo O, 1lbluson, fu these words, or to this effect, oz {n this nature, Brs Moulton saya s+ I toid Mr, Leeoher thab Mr, Gloorge 0. loblusou find spaken to me of Lls fre: quent calis st the oflica tu sca M7, Moulton, snd that t: thought it very strango tbat he siould select Mopl- who Wa¥ not & churchmsn § kst Mr, Boecher, ihio Aret mau fo the !“{, baving 8 host of friends s bis back—1 waa vepy siraugo that b should go to the Gllice to uos Muulton; that by did nob ugderstend fhe Jewion{ that bo laughed ; that Were wuak be pome roubls, bub he "did "pot undemtand what it was; iha§ he reallzed fhat hia i teo . tive of what took place puotisz, qeces, miah Tabinson W i naw the facts, and Moutlon and odruff, and he fel it T anght t tell Lim what tronbln ‘wan; that ho was a leading man in oith Ohitreh, and hind Leon a Deacon, and was Al attending Déechar church, and mecling him conatantly, sud §t wan ratlier eraburrassing far him, and hie fell that pierliapa 1t might Lo omuArrasaing for Teocher, and lie would like to know the frath, Iie wald ihnk rometimen ho thought that Beocher had - prapriated elitrch money, or had been guilty of theft, or something of (hat kind | thet be realised it wae rome great crimo which hohad commilted, 1 sald, “No; T8 ¢ mot that, dle has been gullly of niuftery Wit Mra, Tilton,' 1ie sald, * Well, tunt I can hardly belicre, 1t docs not acem possiblo—a man thiat 1 have believed i for years, under whosa pronching I have at for 80 mehy years, who han Jirtached sgatat Hhat ons paricnar ain ; T chnnot be- s ovo flat 1 8 porlulo ha 8 Rullty.! T sat 't s ver narey to havo to tell you that ho “ia gilte,t 1o mid, +1fow do you kniow {8 2" T eald from confeantons from Voth partics—botlt Mrs, Tilton and Doecher told e, 1 told leccher that T had told Kol fnson, feeling that Beecher might bn embarrasssd, and (iad it mignt te asfar for him to talk to Roblrinon, now that Nobinon o (he (ruth, aa lia froquently ek Lt in the olrda audat our hoss Now, Mr. Beccher, did Mrs, Moulton ever givo you that narrativat A.—She never [tave mo niarrativa with one ajngle, Bolltary particla of (it 1, r0 far o8 o report {0 mie (s concernad, I dan’t undertake to eay she dido’s say that to bim, and 116 o lier, but she never sald o word of It to me— NOT A wonn, ,—Vou know Mr, Goorge 0. Ilobinkon? A.—all, 14hink I do. One of th exenlient of the eartl Q.—DId he, and doos hin still contlnuia hie itend. ance bt your chireh 2 A.—Ilo does, 1o was {lieraat ing this yoat, sud bld up & peice, and oxe presaod hitmaelr- Fullerton—11o shy'n't state that, Q.—Now, Mr, Beecher, I cali your attention to soinie nfatements mode by this lady on her cross-exems fuatlon, glving the #amo intorview which 1 hinve aicationed 3o In reapoct to her aatement on dirert examinntion, with some difference in the siatemant, Tteferring o an fnterylew whicli she puts an the 2.1 of June, as you remember, concerning which you have Lestilod & nover having hieard or had ony lutorviow, do yuu reuiomiber saylug anything of this kind* that you had Ll o sicepless iiight 7 that you were very much deprossed, and utterly without hope, You folt tliat you must Linve thoasmpathy and conauitation of womo friend, and, as shio was tho only peraon who knaw the truthl in tbis case, you cumetoher, Do you romember any sich ststoment ¥ A.—Woll, that comes very ncar being true, but 1T 18N'T THUE, Q.—Well, what @id you rayat any Interview in re. fard to—7 A,~—Any oxpresslon of her feclings? If Ihadany ftaof despundency oF any great trouble, and especially where tho iroubls srose from seelog progressiso mischicf and ruin that was going on I tho houschold; thiat I had noone to whom I could talk fo nbout that family, atout tho family affafrs, Lut fers and 1§ was o great Teliof for me, whien sverylbing looked dork snd gloomy, to talk to hor, for sho wan cheerful and hopeful, .—~Now, «id sho ray snything of this kind to you: #Nr, leocher, I am_very sorcy for ‘you in this great trouble, 'There' Is only one wsy out fur you, and that ia by confeeslon—telllng the truth, You carinot contynno du this lylng, and doception, snd hypocrlsy. The truth will comoout sooncr or later.” DId Ars, Woulton ever address you fn that way? A~ No, slr; it wan not in her nature tomay anything of that, and she never did of hier own accord, Q.—Now, in referouce luany muggestion on her part—well, whut do you mean by saying ** Not of hor own acoord 7" Mer, Deacli—No, we will have that stricken out, :\l'l'lznll—“'c", 1 understood you to say thatshe sl + Mr, Evaria—T nak you {f sho had sald it A,—Sha didn’t say it to mo, Q.—Now you uead tlh expresslon in answor to my mxu‘(!lnn, «l!m. aho never salditof her own sccord, —Yen, oir, X Trach—I move to atrike that ont, Evarta—Dld she ovor ny that to you 7 A,+Ouly se Isatn the sudlenco'? I nover heard it, Fullorts -That {a not what ho me ms, hot ia exsolly what I incen, and » groat deal more, Evarts—I only want to. exclude the fdon thatshe salil it apontanoously, or sald §t to hlin at all, Fullerton—Wo aro perfectly satialle 1. * LET IT BTAND AS IT 18, Q.—Not, in thia supposed couvorastion, or in any conversition with Mra, Moulon, did you express oureelf in thin form : (hat you could not confess it Docauso your work would be at an eud: tuaty if you ecould uot conifnue ia your position' s » spirltusl teacher, thero was mothing Ief} for you to do, and for the sake of your childre: you would be a dlzgrace to them if you wounld confess s criue ¢ that, you would Liave o hopes that your capla would not forgive you; did anything of ‘that ind ocour? A.~There is a alnglo” expression in {hat, bt that sentence collectivaly ia falss, It fs not truo thotany such convernatlon took place, In din- oussing the queation of editiug a paper, I aatd X did not coneldor that to bo my trus vacation ; that I wasa moral_and religlous teachor and to_turn aside from tat duty tocdit o datly nper, struckme os prepos- rous, Q.~Did_you aver talk about that 2 A.—The prop- osition was mado tome two or three times, ond that gave riso fo that conyorsation, Q.—Now, did she, n this convorsation, or sny con- versatlon, {n answor to your suggestion that they would mot forgire you, ssy, v would forglve him ; that he had dono & good In tho world ;' that bla church was bound to lum ss0no man almost.” To thst aid you reply, #Nos that crimo thoy would not_forgiva ; thoy would not treatno gonorously and kindly as you'have done’? A, —Xo, air ; I nover sald any stich thing, ‘Qu-3rs, Moulton gives this as o part of hiet narra- lween you and her: ©Hlg felt on that morning (hat tho truth would como out ; o could not live o meet it He had not 0 atrength, olthier physical or mental,” She satd, “1 «ldebs bes T could ta engourago bim, I tolg him I thought {t was s vory cowardly thing to do to {ake b l}l{ro. o aid anything of st kind ocour? A.— [0, Bir. §:=1 hink you bavo aid, Mr, Boccher, that you 1d ot seo Mrs, Moulton eifhicr oa that Munuay of ou Tuemlay oveuing that you woreintowu? A.—No, ur, Tdidnot, ,~Do you remember any conversation in which Mrs, Moufton exproesed the opluion that Tilton was treschorous? A,—I do not rememnber tho converss- tion. - 1 romember to Liave ukad such phipasee (o Ler, Q.—You mean you recollect to have beard 117 A~ 1 racoliet hor to hove made auch exprosalon about Tilton, Idon't romembsr any particilar conversa- ton in which {t came up, Q.—Now,in that connoction abont Tilton's treachery, did she say thiss “¥told him I thought Tilton was Alled with revenge and snger against Lim, and often whon queations wero put to Lim i mado raplies such sald I thoughs the; rflunflul D’l a8 Lold the ui truth #? A.—No, alr, Q.—You have spoken of seeiog Mira, dfoulton on the 3lst of :h;. 4 wero at tho house oo tho eyening of the J1st of May? A,—I was, And saw Jra, Moulton? A.~T saw them boih, PLNIES THE AYOIIAN BTOR Q.—Now, sir, on tha Jistof Muy, wero you lyin it oungo witha plow wnd‘coyored Wikl a4 alguan or blanket? A.—No, sir, I waa not. —Thore wia no inforview_on tho 3lst of May, in which you wereso dispoted 7 A,—No, slrj 1 never *was po disposed-on tho iat of May, Q.—Now, alr, there s o third siatoment about this Inferviow,which hus aome expreas puzpose, Are, 3onl- fon atates (reading) 1 * Aficr lylog on the sofu s litle while e got up and walked up ‘aut down the root in & very exciied manaer, with teara atreaming down his checks, and 2atd thist o thought it was very hard,after hat bo should be broughit o this fearful end, and I #ald I thought it was very hard, an thore was' only ons ‘way out of it for him,— thera wan only one chanco for him loft, and {hat Was confessing §t.'* Did any such corversatiop take place? A, —No, N, Evarts, there was 10 siich con- versallon between that woman sud me there, norat any tme, ) —* After & life of usefulness, log up and down for some time, fio sat down Iu the chair, atood belund bim, and put my hand on his sbouider, and 1 said, ¢ Mr, Bescher, 1f you will mrliyI godown to the church, Frank will go ity you, 110 will arand by you thrdugh eversthing, Tt docs ot matter whiat comes to you, he will always be yoar frieud, snd, np matter what cojnog, § wil al ways bo your friend, if you witl on e Wown to tha church and confess, Locause this la the ‘only way out for you, Iam couvinced of that, You can peyar cover puch & crimo ap this, epd continge in o gulplh excopt torquyh p soufegalon o your own part, You bayo been gulity of crime, and ‘you have ot 1o tako the reaponsibility upon yourself sud suffcr Lo penalty ; and he sald, * Well, Inover gather much camfort from ,{.“"‘ 0u Bro ;lwaru 1o mo }kd & moce tlou of the {nr udgment.’ '’ Now, air, did you hove that lotoryiew 7 A.—It s fho last "Tlu ihat I sbould have prpled to Mrs. Moullo e, Moulton waa to nio like s bauk of spring flowers, I never had such an intorview ; nevor made such a stateraont, 1t is absolutely inconaiwtent with ftis no- tlons of hornatury, of Ler disposition, 'Qu—Did 1t eyor otcur? A.—1it never oscured,— IT NKVED QCCUBEED, Ttecens, Q.—Then she proceeded, and sald; * Well, I fec) great aympathy for you, Lt I don't see haw you iun Coutlniio o this sort of u“fi ng & Mo, going into your pulplt and preaching Bupd, Jer BnLna-y. I Baid, X have gner heard you proac) ca 1 kuew the truth that I haven's feitthat 1 was sianding by an open grave, 1 can't oxpresa o you the auguluh and aorrow (bat §6 has coused jus o kuaw whst T lave of your Ufe. T belleved i you since was' ® glsl, and helleved You wero the only good man in {his world, Now, It has deatroyod ny fulth In hurasuity, ' X don't boliovo fn suybody, 1'don't gatochurch, All my }nmeu in chitrch and in you la gone, sud I sin sura 1 capuot ro- apect you unlesa you wanifest to mo that you are min. cerely rapeutant by going duwn ta the church and con- {ul!nn yourceime™ A,—It Iy m most malancholy sehood IQ,_m;t.mug of Tus kind cociirred 7 A.—No, sir; no, sir § nothing, 54 reading)—** It 18 very hard for Tilton fo he nb%u(d by your frisnds, and to bo charged with treste his Wickodness Lo bis Wife—mwhilo iy feela that you are principelly the causa of sl bl trot- ble. It isvory bard for him ; it ts very hard for al) conosrued, I youaro a miind fo fak this cssa futo Gour own Jinnds, you can setllu it by confusslon, Yopr ‘poople wiil stand v you Liey belloyo i you, (hey il forgive you ; thiu one friis that yoy sy you havp winitled, sud which you haye—wliich you' say you Yo sincerely ropenied for—sud you beliove you haye ‘been forglven, and you fee] that you ars Letfer able oy thap ever bofore to 40 grest goud tu this warld If you £an only ba allowed to goon ta the sui of yunr‘lsn withoutall the particulsrs of this casp belog mado ¥uown, ‘That is alt that you ask, und if tha facts are ta coinp out, you want 0" go out of life that you can- not I '3“"' you canuot cudurg 1§ auy longer, Phyale cally and mentally you sre wora out, s 1t only Vit tho grestest care (ah. you bave been abla i reach Bunday after Buuday.”” Did ubo glve you sny ttenant of {hab kind1 Ao, ir s Nojaono of i Q.—Now, ir, In counection with auysuch conyerast tlon, or s v of 4, did this occur (readivy) 3 “ Mr, Boscher Lhen ppokq ba ue of coming suma tme, elther the ne 5 Lriug e sowme menientoes dey, to which he wishad lo !wu to bls frisnds,—sowething to Mre, Tilton, Jie ssked moalways ta respect her, and care for hier, sud bo kind 10 ber ; $hat ¥hio way hol s ‘woman s heart ; that she bad sinued through hor sflections” Did enything of that kind ocour? &— 2o, air 3 nolbing, faw, Mrs! Moulton Tefera o 8 call fuade after wird by you, *1Ife came soon aftor, rerétred lo bl devremion on ihat day, but said that ho feit more Tiopeful that b thought lite oatd tn (e Kasid wan on- Iy temporary relief; hs waa living in fer— A CONATANT FEAR AND ANXIZTY, not knowlng at whit {{mo Tilton 1wl it broak et with the troth," "~ Now, after this Siat of May, dld you have an futerview with! Mex, Moulton, after you relurned lo Brookisn from the Eit, o at any timé, in whick that occurrad? A,—Nn, Mr: not with the worda that ara pud ine L often talked with Mra, Moulton on the mate ter of tho breaking out of Tiltan—of their dometic tronbla—hut I nnver spaka of it ae a confosaton, & sln, o crime, or snything of that kind. Q.—0¢ the breaking out of (hatruih? A~=Nor of tho brenking gut of the truth, Q.—Nav, bits, Moulton Apeaks of nome mossages yoil Aont to Mra, Tillon, and apeaks In thia way with Teferoiico to he” general ublect § ¥ Whils 1o altays told me to Asy to her that alia_must rofuse fo talk (o anyLody of anylhing bearing on {his' casa ; while Lo wan trylug ovorywlieea o restoro (e damago aho had Dy confaskion, alic was all the t5mo talking shai D10 you say susthing to Mrs, Mouiton like thin, Y way of méerage of ollieriss 2 A—I think it yuita Ukely font Lnald something ke st that Men, Tlitot shauld avold convorsation in tls matter, o allow on hé {6 edmo £o bt Fainlly to talk fo her about it and the conversation aroso froin that, and ahe talked the matter over andl ngveed I tiie Improprinty of it, and 1 told hier to tall Rlizabetli for me mo not 1o talk oz al- low peapls lo talk, Q.—Did yott nas,in any kind, that whils ahe wan try- ing Yery hard L4 toatote the damaga phd ind done— —No, Q.~8b# wan all the {ims making it worso? A.—Nbn, ,~Nor, Br, aecher; in all your {nterconrsa with Mre, Moulton, dld sho at any timo, in_any convers tiou'with you, either In wotds or hy any implicatior imputs or guggeat tlse crime of adulfery ar {illcit nox: nl relutlons beétween yoursolf and M, Tilton? A~ 8lo never dld, rolther by word nor by implication. Q.—\Wan thiat fuct alaled, or Imputod, or supr.osed; wasjtevers wnlo of converestion or suggesiion frotm you to hex and'bor lo you? A —It nover wab, ——— THE BAGON LETTER, * THE CRIMINAL OHANGE. Q.—)r. Deecher, thoro was au interview be- tweon you on the 3at ot May, 1873, Aod In tefer- onco fo an' inlerview on that day with Moulten without the presends of Tilton, or with Tiltan, it Tilton wan prosont, At any such interview was thore, in any convoiention betweon you and Moulton, or Mra. Moulton, or with odo in the presonco of tho other, any converastlon regard- ing your affairs—tholr affaira—of what was bast (o bo done, or shonld be doue, o which the word “ciimo” was used by aither of theso gentlemen in rogard to you or the subject shich waa talked about? A.~—No, alr. Q.—Novw, Mr. Deecher, Iri ali thia matter bo- twoen you ond Tilton and Aaenlton, golng on from Decembor, 1870, untll the summer of last yoar, shien was the firat notlce or intimation to ot of & churge, or-of the o of tho word *crime” In any copuuct that you were charged with, on the part of Tilton or Moulton?_A.—It was conveyed to ma through Mr, Redpath, at Peckkill, and then_only, uinlens it decurred du tha interviow About tho Nacon Jetter : bnt I do not thiuk that word wad used in that intorview, v Q.—The word " crimo " was not used {n that fntere view aboint tho Dacon lettor? A.—No, sir, Aslde feom tuat, ta the boat of my racolioction, If' 1t 1id not ocour thox, my first hearkig of 1t waa through Redpath at Deekakill, Q.—=Xaw, sir, wna not tho firat notleo or advertiso. ‘ment on tho part of Tilton or Mauiton that you wore, or wers 10 be, accused of adultery withs Mrs, Tilton § —1t was, ~—ow, in regard to suy conversation immodiately proceding irfollowing the publication of what 4 knovn an the Lacon letter, were thers such conversations 1n wich you took part and with whom? A.—%es, [ had a courversation with Motiton, I had ceased 'to binve meotings with Tilton ; they wara very rare, £ at all, buz with Moulion I bad & conversation, During ali ho thne of the councsl in March, 1373,—1 think it wa 1873 or 1874,—and in regard ta tho address which reported in tho papers, purporlfug to ba Dr, Bacon's address 1o the theologieal clasa, and {n regard to the fivo lctlera—if thero wera so many—or the articles whicl Dr, Bacon pabiished i tho New York Indépend- ent, and then in regard to the reply which Tilton was preparing to Bacon, . Q.—Nuw, prior to tha publication of tho Bacon letter, what lnterviow between Blr, Moulion and your- aclf can you rocall bearing upon THAT MEDITATED CHARGE ? A.—Wel, I sm not giviug any one siugle interview, it T can givo you tho substance of soveral, for they were substantial reproductions, with very litle varfa- tion,of some Lraius of thought, Moulton was oxtrotno- 1y unwilling that Tilton shionid write and publish a letter of that kind, ond ko Iabored, as ho foll me, in various ways to disauoide him from {t; that s, from ibe publication of it, 1fa fold ms It would ho best, perhaps, to lot him write it oul—repoatod what ho had' said on "former oo~ casions substantially ; that the Lest way to mansgo Dim when ho got fuld ono of his dusatlafactlons was to ot him wrile it out, snd then, when he had in some scnso oxpondod himeeif in his literary offort, o attack and control bim, and it was in oneof these'conyeras- tions that I' learned ~from 3oulton that it was Tiltou's lutention fo introduca into bis “lotter (the Dicon Jolter) the substance of tho loiter of apology, or whatever namo may be glven tolt, and we had seversl incidental conversa- tions, ono just proceding publication, Ho ropresonteid that Titton and he bad been in Now York tho night pravious at a felend’s house, ond that thera bad been severnl persons called in_consultation, and that the Bad all atriven, aa I understand, to prevent the publi- cation of tho lotter ; but Tilton 'was irm in his detor. mination to publisli it ; that then Moulton addressed bimself to taking' out of some barsh exprossiuns which 1o sstd wera in tio letlor, and that ha had finally succeeded in moking it, be nald, a great doal bettor tlan (t would hava Lecn, 'There was un- necegaary sovarily in it, and hat—I {hink—tbat s the laat conversatiou T had wilh Afoulton on that subject afior the lotier was published, Qu—=\Well, aftor iho Iotter was fmmuhm. ald you then have any conversation in tha lettor befora you, or 1n tind betwosn you, concernlug what had beon dono by him in any change from what it would have hoen but for the changs? A.—I ucver read tho lotter from that day to thls, slr, aa I recolloct, 1 may have read & parkion of il slnce the trial begun, Lut lotter was wrliten fo me Lefaro, Q.—Tho lotter was not shown you? A,—Waanot rhown to me. I KNEW NOTUING OP IT8 CONTENTS, except aa they were rnivreunu:d Dy Moulton, and after ths lcjter appeared—L was at Puckakill whon {4 ap- poared I think, on Thureday—I tolegraphed to Moul- fon that I would scq him pozt A‘l{l at § o'clock, at my Louse. ‘There wus aomo telearophing belwoen us, I came down on the 2 o'clock trait on Friday, and cailed at Clevoland's on my ray to my house, and found hin in_consulfation, thon mada the frst atep toward callivg an fuyesiigation comumitico, teling him the plan T futended to pursue, Q.—Telilng Moulton? A.—No; Cleveland, Andat that time Moylion cama to my Houo, and wa had a converaation of which X romermbor but litils, for X Lind Qismissed from my mind wholly the {dea that Moulton eoutd bo lllmlllll"{llny longer o friend of Loth par- ties, Ho brought, however, wilh him a document, and wislicd me toadunit that [ had GOMMITTED AN OFFENSE. Evarts—Tho Carpentar arilel>7 A.—Yes, And I safd to him, * 1am golng ta have soms frignds hieca fo-night, 1 will confer with them aud ses you again, ¥ HAVR GOMMITTED NO ORIME." M, Evarts—It {8 statad, ¥ beljevc, to bs Garpenter's banduwriting, .Now, Iwill resd thia: * This church and communlty ard_ unquestionably and justly inter- ested through tha recent publication by Theodore Til- ton in anawer tn Dy, Leouard Tacan, “of Naw Hayan, Itistrue that [ have commiticd sn affense againat Theodoro Tfiton, and, givipg that offense the fofas of his constriiction, I made’ an apology and reparation wuch na both ho apd I gt the lima deemed full and noccasary. I am convinced that Tliton bas. besn goaded (o his defenso by mlarpprosentations or mis. undsrelandiags of my posilion lowiria hitn. T shall pever boa parly to the regpeningof this question, which Las been acitlod as Letween Theodore Tiltan and mypalf, 1 bavo commitied nocrime, and 1f this xociaty Lelieves ts duty o bo that I stbuld reopen tbis already toa publlc subject or realim, I will re 1 know, a1 0od gives mo power to judge of miea'f, that Tam better ilted by gaiug through the trlals and iho chasteaing to do good than I havo ever been, Q.—Now, sir, with ‘f&‘.. befora you, what was sajd by Aoulton In Feqapd Lo its Jubtisation by you? A,—1 don't yemember uch about what wan safd the feat avening, #ir, Ay miud was running on_other things, and Moulton hm{hll tap, aud I [md dlsmisscd from my mind bis generalship, and yet .my persongl zels- tous wera yery cordial, ayd confidence fn him pepe ) 4 nob which any o' what ko onally waa ng, aud I di Bonslly war Yo ienser Aud, X, o, ok, really seomed ta be labaring to secompllsh, Vet wy mind wya set, [3id got fothacnd, smdl I'meant (b ki." ;w{mm fiawnmalu alagen, and § ’lmn(qr.i ‘when tlfs waa frst brought to my nolige, matd thet will cousiilur~~T will take it into conslideration. Tht, so far as J recolject, was the first {nterview subatgo- aly, = Wall, what _furthe; cd batwern you apd MGuiton 1 regard 6 thie a1 Ao or what cauld ba dona or would be done It you assentad toit? A=Ay, lloul‘nn ured ma very strongly, as- recolipat (e convervation, b Wan thib: Tnut’i’lllou had Imsal ol i sald, hims {be_presonc wilnessin, i 1 would publish ihat statement that s would bo_conteat lgn!dl, and * Mouiton - said i¢ I would ublish that statemapt be wauld burp every document Fu had, apd 1f Tilton eyer undertook (o moy sgatn {y o malter e wouli) TUBN AGAINNT WIX AND FIGHT BIM, Mo expreased hiymacl very sirougly, I think the word b used was b wonld m‘uh bl ] w3y ta you puything Iy Ifcn:ml {athe pow- ar Le bad over f‘ ton 7 Ay—Yus, sirj IIIIII'Y wuany Yimes, Tlesald 4 ew griyd bim to Jowder e apoke fmperstjvely of bly copiral aver Tilton, Q.~What wu‘{nur apewer 10 yedard ta yous sigus 1ng for pubiiabiag (it card, AT would xaver aign » camo:llm"!:u;, Dagop lofler with st equivecal ward *t X ~=Ypu told him guen AT fold bi o Y,h.m'.!’ui'.”” 1 AT fold bim X yould — Wi 24 tha tpd of tho muiter o] 1ta publts paflun b4 h{&: l‘mu anyibing gl‘:thnr -mL»..'L tho aubject runowed in 82y Wayl Al csnuob esy Qefnitsly, Thore wps atiil, up g the vory ssion of tho lnvunllllmonmmml 111070 oF lesy of an offprt on the rmol ulton la&nmmmlm lutkr-. Ha thought that the publjostion of Wie Bican -letter had ‘n‘nl(, h-l uy (l‘-g ;Mng‘lu‘ ns::::fllr ’lg“nrma. xl thought B 6, I sl S kel i d i npda us betweas, thi sxisemes 8 o o glny,qvm“u\fi ikt sage, 4310 Yo doplg pob{ Lher TR THING NUST B3 FRIER | loflkfdlnw‘\? the yery botiony, THER 179 Q.—Was this card intended— od—~for news- pagar pubitéatlot, or to Le 10 ' your chusch, or vtberwisa presouted 2 A.—[ o't know that the par- tioular wode of lasulug it was & wiutte cousliura- ipokad eatber ko Leing 0 chyr [ ¥ d%4aR partioutarly reqord 1 14 aby whyihat. o, 1 't give it muck thoughs, except 1bal’ (e opening hraeology wan an incffectual bar o 4 Iy ne sy way. 14 belng ueq 10 _youl recognize any conversalios youamd Motlton &8 1o (hla’ pATOr Hestig b ered milted to Tracy, snd_you appraving or ditap torin, 1 A—Ii may vary caally have beon, bt 1 g Fesollcct any eich conversatian, Tiiera worn & grag many connuttationn alont the Bicon letler, Ty was B card propared—an lutrocuctory eatd—mwhyiy w38 mubmittod to o, 1 think, 08 8 8ort of a pei This oih3r one=1 am 'nob cloar in my reatloirs abont thal—many Inierviors WA many e ne N ontative forma were produced Lefore 1he Dacon Jeiiey s puliisiod, but oon Juleg 1 NEYUSED TO CONBIDER THEN, but aftar It wan publiehod T was iudisponcd, Q—Now, air, 1o you remsmber Moniton soparifn toJou any auch uterview bolwesn himselt aug ool Tency an g : 4 Tmot . Beoctior on July 7 Tty nud £ sald, ¢ Well, Mr, Derchier, you Bave not uitera] fram yaur pulpld or_sisywhiers 'givon uttaruncety i bar wordn that I propared for you,—at least T seen ln{ such expfeslons, visod ailence, patiionlatly, siloice, bt 'L think you Lavo' ad o good o pon {unify’ to ‘mako That cxpreasion ;' anl sahl "ot tho Triday = ovenng _ prayermect, sour chureh acemed to bo dn cutiro symiathy wily yox and Tehiuli you kgt have avalled yguesclf of fhaf orcanton to hiave matls that oxprossion, Yid hy ey “Woll, 1 am not to lama for WAt You alyime allonce, and Tiavo followed 110 courso’ you sdyisetis And thon thla card 18 put I ovidenco that you hay, ekl n 764z hanile, and wilows procecd’ sng " ia o this part that I ish to call your attentlonpay tiediarly: K had a snbmoqiient sonversation wiy Ticecher about it, sad I told hint that T lind sesn '3y Tsacy conceruing s roply ta tho um’f‘ letter, aud thaf *anil'ho aald, ¢ N b *¥es," Tmald, ""xzxfl.,‘i 1 had anked Gen, Trawy if he bid mubmitiss gy, paper to biin, aud 1 #al1 to Doccher {hat Tracy's rey) 338 ihiat ha lad 86 b pApor {0 whtch ho (hoight gy dotected my handiworlk, nnd thal Tracy liad ey fy mé that tho worde 1 have cottinitted 1o erimes whicli {a a part of thin catl, qtioted from it, really sy nothing in dental ot tho fa’t & aliegal by Mr, Lsecys er againat him, or as to {L6 fact batween Tiiton any e, Dovelier, (Thn wittiows corrocts hitmeeit, or s Beeebet and Mia, Tilton's selations,] That na nexrly g 1 conld remembér the words, ho ald 1 jyg commilled no crino,! did not moah anyiling, bestiay adalterysmas nocrimo under (ho comundi: lak, T 1a na noarly as I could repeat t, and T 8atd to bim thyy T 1timd told Gon, Tracy tat 1id not (hink that way #00d objection; that I thought the commnnlty wony accopt that card as o distinct dendal,—tiak uilerizey rathier, —thiat utteranco would be nccchted by thaeg munily sy & distinct donfal, sud thot it ought 1o made, or - some such ullcranca snoaq Lo mado,’ sifice Teocher onsentad, tlncs T, ton Awéntd] 10 peace—it that uttersgy was madd, or If aflence wak kept.” Kow, Mr, Dacches do you remomber & convetaation in which' Mol brought to your attontion an_interview that Ly tig Liad with Gen, Tracy, on the subject of tho forca ar effect of this oird 7' A,—I havo na distinet recolletioy of any statement an is mado there, Q.—Wliat wan tho objection (hit you stated fohy publication of that card? A.—3{5 objection was, (b after the publicstion of the’ Dacon ley nobody could understond tho_offento, or oversiay was at liberty 0 understand the offénse aa thy ploased, Certuinly thab it was that T bad tnade iey. proper sdvancea o rs. Tilton, aud 1 WOULDN'T BTANY 1T, Q~And yon woud make uo publicat talued thal adminsfonn? A.—I wonld 010y much statement, I wonld not Wign any much’sisip, ment, I would have notbigy] to do with ‘anything by could misload tho public, -Q.—Now, whether the word Mecrime™ way e incither ' of tha conyorsations that Moukoy had with precadivk or following flo pub. lieatfon of tho Dacon, lotter, was thers of {hat tima any suagestion or intimation from Maaliey that the chargo aganst you was any otlier, or diferct from what had Deen tho subjeot of impitation,—tsy {mpropor advances 7 A.—That was what hounden stood, and what he conveyod lo me,—what I unlr. stood, Q.—So that tbe annonncenicnt mnda to you by Rk th, a8 coming from Tlllon and Moultan, that tiey ntended to charge sduliery, was tho first notice of the imputation or charge on their part? A~Itwy tho first atatement to me, 1t was tho first time I sus pect thint it was ever thought of, Q.—Well, ihe first statoment, to 30u? A=Aty n;;u, T kuow 4t thon for tho first timo as part of thelr plo, . . e THE WEST CHARGES, 3R, DEECHER'S KNOWLEDOE OF TR Q,—Noy, Mr. Beccher, in rogard to what havi ‘becn kuown as the Weat charges,—wea tho tex} or form of thom evor 1ald before you or comme. nleated to you [banding witnosa a paper]? A- No, sir; I don't remomber over to have resl them, I knew what thoy wero—I mean, attbe timo—that id, T knaw the ground thoy covered, without knowing mach about them particularly, Q.—Now, in tha apripg or early summer, whea tho mattor was first broughit up,what did youus dorstand tho charges woro conflued to? A-1 understood thoy wero charges brought agalw Tilton for hinving slandered ma in roporting thy I proached to forty mistrossos, or somo otk _raiooer. Q.—Yos.. A.—And that thop onlyrolsted i whot wero called geserally the Dowen slavdens cherges, 3 Q.—zhaBowen blpnders 1 A,—Yes, sir. Q.—Now, 1n {he fall, faregard to sny third chusecr {tom, how much knowledga bad you on that subjectt AT dcn't think I lad sny ; the ground I ook wu such that I could not very well have any knowledjy ahout it Mr, Fullerton—Don't reson about it, Tho Witnoss— beg pardon, . Mr, Evarta—~Now, in regard to the third chargs, & thoae thiat {nvolved any relations with Mea, Tiltoo, fmputation sgaiast Mr, Tllton of bnving mads chagu in respect to Mea. Tilton and yourself, waa thers i3 communieation to you in writing or otherwise? OF ANY OTIEG CHAROE lmpr!pf: » in that pelation than tho charge of vano:s? A~—No, alr, TILTON'S TESTRMONY NEFERNED TO. ow, I call your nitention, 3ir. Beocher, {0 sz o nte of Tillon's toatimony. ~ Alr, Tilton syals of an interview ho had with yon, I {magine,somentm abont Octoberof that yearj at any rato it waalnts fall. Now, BIr, Beecher, in reference to theeo Wot charges, snd in that full-ihot sutumo—did na linva auy discusalan or conversation with Tiltod it whiclh Tilton's conversstion with Weat about (e charges nad about your guilt was tailod of? Aed e ey {hat ho satid to yew, 1o k=t —2Mr, on gayy (hal Ll 9 Yyeu, o auch Tatarview, Sust during the aummer g (Ur, Wa) had changed hia miud on that subjoc ad st T, to tho conclusion tust Pescher was {Le ullly ma That is—(C. must go back a littls fuciber)-*3n West had | visited me during tte sumgy, and had substuntially iodicated to mo, though M didn't asy 1t {n plain words, that ho (31, Wost) badod iginally instituted thesa 08 agalnst me {0 dooh becauvo o thouglt I waa veally gulity of sundee| Beechor; that during the summer lie (Webl) b chiangod bis mind og that enbjoct, pud bad come ottt conclusion that Bsochar was tho guilty nisn ; bal i Laving brought bis charges before tia ciurch i &4 reguiar way, Do deslred that tbey ol o called up in the autumn, and he urged we(Tiks)s appoar baforp the church 0 angwer tho chargess Lik in anawering them, T wonld {hrow llio blsma wbets b helonged, and clea myselft, Do you romembir &2} interviow wi'h Tillon fn Guat autumn aftae taost WX charges werp Lrought nnnmn parpet, i which a9 conversation of fhat d ' occurred? A do mgt, I ‘heard bty were rumors, I cannot from 'N’i Q—Wall, $ho quostion {» whotber vail hiad sy 1o conversation. Do ypu remember Tillan sy [reading], “Itold Bim, howsver, tuat Wut vl lulrdzfl in Ly expreesion, and wauld uob w‘;“ xolntely that ho belloved {n Teachar's guilt; only 1f Boecher was guilty ho wae acting during 10 i mer pa & guilty man would act, and oxictlyassa ‘3 nocent man wonld poyact” 3 A1 rememberodss language, air, . TILION YIHII‘;‘TIB u.mt;u'rln fiux'x’,ficfi;nw 1 ,~Naw, Mr, Hieg:har, the end of al il P S LI b DAL LT ot Pl meoling of #Ke Church or Bocicty, where illon w3 pregent "::Tlmm! some obacryations, an sddress, “u ou alao followed him.” Now, edliing your stesia iat scenc, plossoatata the malies o8 i ocourred, 4 you vocull’ {8, A—=Wolj, sir, 1 cannot gire 1% ® “yory duisiied atatoment ~of -t 9 ton,—certainly cannot without giviog s shitely of the position 1o which we had come 1n our € duliberalions throngh (be ommitice, Tho Fik meeting waa 8 meating, §f § recolloct arighl, lofeh L 0. ek upon & roport, from the Branining Conal tcn. and as phat roport was uunfllllr e, b Tasd namo of Tillon bo drupped from tho roll, sn148 talked with Moulton and wiils Tilton as to (he JI7G of things, it was coming 0 (liab fasuo, Jo 4PP in lhllmqqunf. m vl Q.—Mr, Tillon did? A.—Afv, Tilton. I8 5 —aked permiselon f fhe Olafrman to mALe KIS mapky, and aa & gouriely it wyn granted, 194 phvel iracueded Lo make some remasks in which m) oot R wan {lig} Le bad pot plandere 7] chugah, or, if be hud, and the or had any (DI storlos, toll o oake on hst’ mubject s here to bave them mads {hen snd (her words to thab effeck ‘That was ibo ::fl::g o umed the pesition R.wlf{r ‘l‘l Oh‘ufll. it dogluring wia Thare Lo secsive gen.. Tbad 2ot WIEY Facalve (hoas. ed to apeak fn the ovoning, buk § did, aud ’"fifiw s0ine rearka in peapegt to our cuuun.nm 7y udu?m the ramarks (at were inade by B N iaL whatover diessnoes pad eatsied LAVt liton and wme A HAD PREN H{ONORABLY ll‘r"-ll'h“ il and ware, 50 far 1 wan concernad, biirieds, B, i clarges 19 make pgalint Dl and {hat LS Rouw Lo yuake n? Inst mo, and wilhi that b cmuf snd e, afler voting, I ihink "‘"",mm ends AMisy Yoing [a thp tnestiog, 108 S5 atoa on o i the gratulat o auceensfpl termina! é:;"‘?fi;'.‘:.wl cultyo wud ook Baule wih my s & 1jan nd Wy mi & gy o .sv at }:u “agd Air, Doeaier, 1o "“'fl,‘fim ua«-ux s baing Lnrled, whatever they X610 205,y S yon e L A o A2 9 thelr uried on Tiltou’s = T R M oy Yoy nd hoe3 ot eyt bolwests Ug, and, 80 (ar as I ain ooucerncd b burisdj thist I had no charges to make Al g and (hat I balleved be bad wous to meko 3300 "y .~Now, Mr, Beocher, 1 o1l E“l‘ stion, ¥ atatoment of Tilloy in answer fo tula auesily oy BV abawyou tua sabjust, On aross-esem ooy Ahlquudtlu‘l: was s #\yhet '{L?fi'-‘zfl seofitn Tade Boeclis us fl 4 you, m’-z Tt o Dr, Bacop'sattes Yorrin D, Bacous stetvment) iz, Baselior oame oul of Lis ks iave deacribed fn iy dlpect exsminilicly po, Moultan sl mie sgainst tho dron 'rnll.u s aoutral bty Qhurchy tht tey would U8 S%04, i bo wishied, that bg held Uiom to bia siebl B0} ,,4: Y patioy whigh Mr.——" (C betieve Wit Sy ViAEe séye you sald) esylng *he o0