Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, October 11, 1874, Page 5

Depositions of « Bop it. HAHE The Alleged Gambling Case. Motion in Court to B_rga,k the Seals of the Depositions, Judge williams Orders Them to Be Opened. (harles B. Pope, Hichasl Tarnes, F. B. Harshall, Charles " 1. svary, 4. B. Lyon, and Others, e eriesof “Club-Houses,” Thel‘;gil’oker, Faro, and Tricks of the Gam- bling Fraternity. Farwell’s Expertness at . Poker Vindicated. A-Reminiscence of O. P. Brad- +"lay, Ex-Chief of Police. An Interview with Hugh Mabher. o (laims that He Was Cheated Out of . Eighty Aces of Land at Draw- Poker. BEFORE JUDGE WILLIAMS. A motion was mado yesterdsy morning befors Jedge Williams, in the case of laner vs. Far- well, to open the depositions for the complain- ant. beretofore taken in the caso before a Notary Public. r. Perkins ‘made the motion, stating that be was one of the del‘endfml-e._huh that his solicitor, 3{r. Le Moyme, had feit obliged loleave the case, owing to the prerent comph- wations of afairs, and o representation thats oolitical effect wes one of his objects in the use, Tus case, Mr. Perkins eaid, was set for zisl the third Monday of this montb, and it was asceseary to have the depositions oponed to allow him to examine them. M3 CAULEFIELD {8en arose and remarked that, as far as hisclient was concerned, ho had no objection, but he had given his word that ecme of the depositions £a0a1d not be made publie. Some of the wit- nesses had given their testimozy on concition that it should be kept secret. He 2t that time a letter from a gentleman who begged that bis testimony shonld not be used; that he never would have given his testimony if he had known it was to be published. [Tho name of this wit- | ness wes afterward ascertained to be Michael Turmey.] GEN. SMITH eirongly objected to haviog tho depositions opened. He, however, thought that if necessary. those of Pope, Lyon, and Whiteman might bo cpened. They were in Lis opinon the only ma- tarial witneeses ; iho others oply testify as to hearsay, and their evidence was irrelevant. He thooght the Court had just as muchright to con- ; trol depositions as zo control testimony. If an improper question was asked a witness in open eourt, the Judge would Eavo the power to telltho witness mot to anewer the question, and | in the present instance if the Court should sco 1bat improper evidence would be given it snould Ou the other hand, if ths Court should o beyond ita powers, the injured party wonld lave » meors to compel the production of the testimony by mandamus or some other metns, sin the case of a bill of cxcentions. The Geu- eral did not thiuk his client, Sir. Farwell, was ns much concerned as gome othor porties are : that if thie Gepositions were opened they would injure him m Besides eeveral of the witnessos had said that thoy did not suppose their testinony wonld be published 28 {hey gavoit; ihat ther had smd many things, Dot supposing that a short-hand writer waa tak- ing them down, sud desired fo correct thoce sutements. ‘Ho therefre tbought the Judge ought to take the testimony and pernee it, and if. 1 his opinion, it suould be published, he would haveno objection. Bat he thought that some of the witnesses should be re-examined, 8 they claimed their testimony was inconect iu many respects. In support of his posi- tion Gen. Smith then read an affda- vit signed by himeel{” to the effect that he heard the testimony of the witness- 25, and that those mentioned above were the cnly material ones, and that much of the evi- dence of the others was immaterial and irrele- vant. Just then A LETTER was headed the epeaker, which ran as follows: OcTonEn 10, 1974, Gry. S:7R: Mr, Tarnoy has just notifled mo that be did not swear to his deposition, and that if thereis a0y jurat attached it is falsa, (Sizmed) C. B. Fanwrit, 3r. Caulfield then rore to explain. Many of the witnesses, ho said, bad fonnd a large number of passsges which they wiehed expurgated. be- chuse, 28 they cleimed, they were unaware n phonographer was taking their every word, snd they goasiped in a way which would not bear rep- slition. He had accondingly allowed taem to cut eut such passages beforo signing it. In regerd to Farwell's letter, just read by Gon. Smith, he wondered that Turnoy would make such a state- eat for bo knew that the Notary was & con- ious young man, are ‘m“myfi‘ g , and wonld not dare to do a B, KNICEERBOCKLE, vho represented ihree of the defendants, ro- miked that the depositions should be opened 5 the bill had charged all the defendants fothe record with motico of the want of equity 1 the firet conveyance to Farwell. He hed, Jurelore, aright to know what testimony wes aken fo support the allegations. By tae com- sinent's own ecknowledgments the evidonce 3d been changed, and who knew now what 1t T or how much it resembled . what was orig- aullv eaid. Moreover, some of the defendant's Titoesses were non-residents, aad it would be Secessary op that account to sce what the testi- By was to know whether to retain theso wit- temes l:n fib“‘u‘:‘ . Perkin then explained Lis position 2gsin, wd the withdrawal of Mr. Leiloyne from cuy toutection, and emphasized the point already mae, that the defendants did mot knowv what 5 bad been taken eince it was altered 104 expurgated, and it wonld be surprise to em to be compelled to meet thess depositions 'Ithautsne(_:é;g them first. mith was ready to stipnlate anything in TeRard o tho deposmtions, but wanted g or at least that the depositions should 20t be opened yet. ml’:-_ Caulsield rose to explein again that ko had tgiven Gen. Smitk: any copy of the leiter ho vkalin regard to s witness (Mr. Taraey) did not want his testimony made public. 1 x JUDOE WILLIAMS 1% decided the question by orderiog the depo- Sons to be opened. The case, he said, was in “rather a einguler man- did not- feel ety ed 1o have the dopositions opoued tidsome of the defendants did not wish them Peec. But the rule of law wes well saitlod. depositions in such cacescould be_and were Iy openod on application_of either party. «L'“ A right in either party to have them open- - Eech biad paid money for them, or for coun- W‘o attend the taking of them. 'Tho Court only tell whethor the depositions wero ir- after they were opszned. But W Court would have no rifht to b them and pass wpon them mbers. This must be done in open court, Dections being made at each step a8 was Y. and then such parts as were objec- mhgien could be excluded. The Court bad 0o _'?;wl! point on which the Judge bad any 283210 the time whon the depositions /——"—"’_——"“'— . B Vs' FARWELL. should be opened, If h o eaw thet the evidence THE CHICAGO DAILY TRIBUNE: SUNDAY, OCTOBER 1I, 1874. P e L i o e e R e S b ol o R e B B OO S S S S was wanted for 2 politu 11! purpose, or for any object outsids of the an& rgf the casy, or foreign to the emir, he wonld not- have thom opoaed, but woal i postpons the master. But the coss way sot for trial iv o weol, and both parties professed to be . dispored io try it. Tho depositions skould therel bro be placed at the dis- posal of the partiesinte rested. It was solways unusual to delay the time nof opening depositions, aod wonld be specially unjust in tho present case. It might be neces jary in caze tho deposi- tions were not satisfacto-y to re-inke tbem, for the law provided for such o case. It wonld facil itate the preparation of ‘tho cage for trial, di- minish expenses undoudt rily, end give time to make motions to exclude, 1f tho depositions wero opened so that the incom) potent festimony could bo oxcluded, Tho Judge therefore orderia that they should be TMMEDIATEL ! OPCXED. Mr. Caulficld pass»d the ) package of pepers td tho clerk, at tho same tiz ce asking that special caro ba taken, ashe nol iiced there was much eagerness on the part of 1 » oumber of parsens to get them, and he wished p erticular caro bo taken that they should not be l¢ &t, £5 Lo feered would be the case. Judge Willia ms gave a spocial cau- tion to the Clerk fo keenp themn as the apple of s eyo, 2od the latter then cut the cord and un- relled £0 view tha manuscr 1pt which 8o many in- cffectual efforis heve been 1nade fo conceal from the public. e oy THE DEPOS ITIONS. These intoresting docum 2na are as follows: . THE LAND IN GO ITROVERST. Deposition of Churles B. Pope, May 4, 1874. By Mr. Caulficld: Q.—5% nte your nemo, a=e, occapaiion, aud piace of residenca? A.—My namo 1s Chorlos B. Pope ; 1 1ge, 39 'yoars ; occl- pation, commission busin ess; place of resi- dence, Chicagd. Q.—How long Lave you : reeided in Chicago? -About twenty yexrs. Are you acqamnted 3 rith Hugh Maher end Charles B. Tarve.l? A.—Y 8, sir. - Q.—How lotig have vou known them? A.— I cuuld not state exactly. ! tixink I have known 3Mr. Maber ten or twelve ya wa, perbaps o little longer, by sight avd repuial iou. 1 should think I had kuown Alr. Farwell at jout the same feugth of time, perhavs 3 little lon ger. Q.—Did you imow Georgs » Trussell during his lifetime? A.—Yes, sir. Q. was killed? A.—I have bedin tryiug to thiok of that tius afteruoon : I can’t give the year with- ous looking; I was here .3t the time he was killed, and know aboat it at the time. I kaew it the ssme evening. Q.—Xilled in the public_i tireot. was he not? A.—I think he was Lilied. in a livery stable or comiug out of it—Price & od somobody else's livery stablo, on Ruvdolph e hreet. Q.—Iave von sustained sowards lus estate? A.—I acted ss admunis- trotor, and sottied it up. Q.—Into whoso possession did his_papors or books come after his deatini? into mino—all I could fix Q—Hzad he any booits of nccount? A.—No perticular bools; no Lo ks y iou could tell much of enything aboat. Q.—Did you find in which Chari any way? A ing fora anit-c! tion, & well-wri Farwell. Q.—To whom was the qu it-claim deed to bo made? A.—It was to bo mat ko, as near as I can remember, to George Trussell., : Q.—Do you remomber what <conaideration was expressed ? I canuot, Q.—Was there auy that you kpow of? A.—I could not swear whether thers was any cousid- erztion or met. It read tov Ime liks & good, square, well-writteu contract Do vou rememter vhot! 12r il was written or printed? A.—it wss writl 60 it wes all in wiiting; I remember that disti net . —How many sheets of pap er. do you know ? AT think it took sbont two sheets—that is, two gides of & eheet, if I reme: mber nght,—per. haps not over one. Q.—Do you remember whai ¢ became of thast paper > A.—Igave1t to Alr. F ‘arwell on receipt of the deed. Q.—What Farwell? I gave it 1 him lumsel; Q.—Did you see 3ir. Farwell paer after von foand it? A. I took it to him. Q.—What took placs botween + you aud him in regard toit? A.—I asked buw 1 if the contract was in forca or good, and calis W for what ic sa:d it did. He said it was cli corre ¢ and right, and he would give a deed the mon mat it was calied accerding to tho cobtrec b, or somo such words as tiat. T couldn’t uiate exuctly the words. He read tho coatract 1 ind said it way 211 right, aud he was ready. Q.—What tcok piacein refe rence to makiog the deed between you and hix 2?2 A,—I ssked bim to deocd the laud to the beirs of Georgo Trussoll. Itold him I suppos :d that would zbout the proper thiug for him todo. He told me he thought Le bed better do 2d it to me, and lot me deed it to them, if thet v rould be proper and right, Itold um thetif th mt was the cor- zect way todo, I wowd ssk £y at:omey, Mr. Kpickerbocker. 1 saw Mr. K pocker, and Le said it was thie proper wey to do it, and it was dobe that wav. Q.—Did he give any rezson w hy ho preferred making it to you? A.—I don't .;remember as he papet *among his papers . Facwa II's pame Sgured in Yee, oir: I found a contract call- +« deed of this land in ques. contraa i, signad by Mr. Ithi ke 0 relation to this “After I found it Q.—T7hat did you subsequent} v do about tho lsnd# A.—Ald T doue wes to reccive a quit- clzim deed frem him, and deed ¥ ¢ to them, ‘and put it on record, according to 3 .:. Knickerboci- er's 1nstructions. Q.—Who do_yoa mean by *‘them?” A.— Qeorge ‘I'ruseell’s Leirs. The re ords will show. 1 think it was desded to the I:wirs of George Trussell. I think 1t was a brotber, o nephew, ang two sisters. Q.—Du you remember their names? A. The brother's neme was Salma Trussell, tbe nophew's name was Georgo E.. Eaton; he was Trussell's sister’s son that wee dead: his ovn gister's name was Emuly Truserll: she might have hiad a middle name; I gua s she has no middle name; and Mrs. Eatou, 4 is other sister ; ehe was the wife of N. H. Eaton, 1" think ot Dan- ville, Vt. 1don't know ber nRme-.. Q.—Was it Parmelia? A.—Yers, eir; I know that was the first name. This 3 ir. Eaton mar- ried George Trussell's eister of bis first wife, aud this Eaton was & wvon. Afcer his first wifo died, who was the o ldest sister, he married a younger sister,—enos her sister any- way. -Another sistor of Truesell > Q.—Do you know whether the se were all the heirs of Trussell? A.—Yes, sir; it was proven in Court they were 2ll the Lieirs. ~ Q.—You remember how many acres of land were conveyed by this deed? A.-—I think sixty acres. Q.—Did yon find amonz tho lP“ wers of Troesell any obligation or note from Mabior to Truesell. A.—I did not. 'Q.—\What became of the balarce: of tho papers of Trusell's estate ? A.—Allthe ps pors that were left were burned up in our safe t.luring the fire, g1l oxcept what I huve given the bueirs of the es- tute; I guess they had got & statement and in- ~oice of eversthing as it went threuagh the Court : eversthing was on record i Conrd. ~The balance of tiio stuff I bad doue up in a bos and put itin the safe, and it was burned up ix: the fire with everyihing clse in the Chamber (of Commerce, What did you pay Fawell fe.r that deed ? A>T doun't remember that I paid, him soything, Q.—What did tho heirs pay yoa slor the deed ? A.ZT don't remember tnat they paid mo uny- thing. 'The dced wes received 8ad given eccord- ing to Mr. Knickerbocker's diroctisas. Q.—1Vhat was Goorze Lrussell’s business dar- 4ing bis lifetime 2 _A.—1I thins he 1vas dealing in horses about the time of his denta. Q.—Whzt was he regsrded in the community 2 A.—I doa't know what people 'would call his busivess. Tho lset I know of biza, the lasssix months or year before Lis death, accordiog to my recollection, he had & wholis :nterest or a balfinterest in tha troiting-horse Dexter, trot- ting for gate money or somethirws. Q.—What became of that horse? A.—His half interest was s0ld to ilr. Farvcett., '0.—You sold it, did you not ? A.—Tes, six. O —How mach did ¥oa get for it? A.—310,600 1n money for a helf inwrestin it; I think that was it. Q.—Do_you know whether ke had 2n interest in any otber racing horses? A.—I think hs had an intercst in & gray maro that was fold ai auc- top in the Jivery-stable st the timoe of the public venduo of Ius personal effiects. I think bo had an interest in_aoother horse, but J guess bo Qidn't get anything out of it ; ho might have got 240 or £50 on 2 blind etnd-horse ht from New Orleacs ; somebody else took: it to break and owned more of it tian e did when they gob through, % Q.—Were those horses ricing sock ? A.—Tho gray mare was 2 mare he ased to drive ; Idou't 0w whether it was or not. Q.—Dexter ? A.—Dexu>r was a raciag horee. Q.—That was the celebrated Doxter? A.—Yes, ar Q.—When I ask you how he w=s Inown in the communicy, 1 mean to zay wes he crnot known as a sporting _cheracter / 1 bolieve he Las i 2t : you probably than 1 "do. 1mnever if., but T have heard is 2 a pretty preminent zambier T A privete opinion wes thar Lg wan neturally s epording Do, o remtember. 3 boub whab tims e | any official relation | A.—They camo’; A.—Chirles B. Farwell. A.—Yes, sir. | | men, and he was running into it or out of it when * he died ; £5 near as £ conid learn bo hadu't dona { much -at cards for the last six or eigh: monihe heforo ho died: ho was tending to this horsoand tryiog {o mako & fortune out of it. Q.—Do you kpoow anvthing about the subse- quont transfers of this property emong the Tiussell heirs 2 A.—1 think this Saima sold out 1us guarter ioterost to the other threo; I won't be certain whether he sold 1t to them or George E. Eatou. I heard ho kad sold it. ‘Q-—You don'l kuowof your own knowledge ? A.—f don't think I had anything to do with it, ozcept they told me about it aftorwards,—some- body did,—tuat he had sold it. " | Q.—Had you asythiog to do in any way with { the transfer of the property to r. Perkins? A.—Xo, I had not. i Q.—Did you imow of it? A.—Notuntilit was done. Q.—How d&d you know of itthen? A.—I P wag told of 1t” by iy pariner; he waid i my brother hed made n sale. I _guces i 1 afterwards gotn lotter from Eaton—I don't know whaether [ did or not—saying it had been sold. 1lad been paying the taxes for him, and aboat every season 1: used to try end fiad out 88 noar as [ could what it was worth, 2nd used to write Laton. Q.—It was vour_ brother who_ negotisted the sale with Periting? A.—I am told it was him. I never was told it was by pim. I have beon told he mado the galo to Perkins. I could not tell what be got for it ; I don’t remember, Q.—Did Hugh Maher's namo in Any manner sppear_in this coutract botween Farwell sud Trussell? A.—I don't think it did. [ir. Smith objects to any of the above testi- mony in referonce to the terms or cunditions of | eitber of the written mstruments referred to by the witness). Q.—Do sou know in whose bandwriting that contract was? A.—I should judge it was 1n Afr. Farvell's Landwriting. , It was signed by his pame, at least. [Oofected to.} Q.—Aro you rcquainted with Mr. Farwell's haudvriting? A.—Not well acquaiuted with it. It looked to me as though it was his signatwe ! and handsriving, if I recollect right. couid ! ot swear to his hendwriting if I sbould seo 1t, beeanse I have uot seen enough of it. CHARLES D. AVERY'S STATEMENT. Depoeiiion of Charies D. Avery, taken April 80, 1874: 4: Dy Mr. Caulfield : Q.—Stato your name, ago, aod plzce of residence? A —Vy nameis C. D. Avory; 1am $4 years old the 25th of Jast March; Tesidence, Chicago. Q.—Aro_you sncquainted with Oharles B. Far- well and Hugh Msher? A.—Yes, sir. Q.—How woll have you known cach of them, and how long? A.—I havo known them a long ime; I can hardly tell how long. I came here 1852, and bave known them probably tinco & ¥eer or two afcer I came, bv roputation. Idon’s : know a4 I havo kuown them persouully as long 28 that. ¢ Q—H: ~you had aoy associations with cither of them? A.—Lused to be acquainted with ihem, aod ac u luter date I kept a club-house, 2nd they ‘ueed to frequent it, Q.—Yon kepta club-louss? A.—Yes, elr. _ Q.—Where did you keep1t? A.—Larmon Block, it was called, coraer of Washington aud Clars Btrees. Q.~During whet years did you keep your club- room there? A.—I taniok s friend of mine opened a club-house—I am not positive as to the date—but I thick in 57 or '38,—1n the fall of 57 or the sprinx of 38, if [ rememter right. I am ot positive abont the date. Fow long was it kept thers? A.—Wowoere partners perhays four or five months, and after thay it changed bands. I was in and out of the | bouse, intercsted in it and out of the bonse per- Liaps two years ; but was off at times, other par- tien baviug it, and I would go back at times. 0.—I uvderstavd you to eay you mer Maber and Farwell "ot thess club-rooms? | A.—\When I firat opened the houss they nsed to | be habitucs of the house. Q.—Have you ever seen them play together ? A~ hiavo seen them playicg cards together. Q.—For what? A.—Well, for checke, which represonted money. Q.—What was the game? A.—Draw poker it was calted. Q.—How often do you supposa rou havo eeen hea? A—I couid not tell how oftes I bave seen them. I remember very well of their play- 10y, but day and dato I cannos remember—it isa | grent mauy years ago. i © Q.—Do yon kuow oything abont, in_the year say from 1850 to 1861. of any indebtedoess for | gt ing cxisting between Farwoll and Maher ? 14 —Yon dou't Imow who was the winner or ! loser, £s between those two men ot that time? } A.—No. Idouot. —Do you know Jule Lombard? A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Did you koow Jordan? A.—Yes, sir. —Did you everseo them in these rooms? { A.~Tdo ot Lnow I cver saw Jordan 1 those | rooms. No, sir; L could notsav I did,—might | have Leon there. I was noscounected wizh the + Toom for a long time, perhaps a year, and other | parties bad 1. i QD you seo Lombard there? A.—No, gir: not at the time Farwell aud iMaber fre- ! quented the hoase. When I first opeved they might have come in at times, but ho pever wasa ‘man—in the first_place ho was 0ot a man roally 1 desirable. He might have come in aud taken | drink, but I do not think be pleyed, not to my | knowledge. [Nr. Smith bjects to all this testimony ag irrelevaut and iucompetont Cross-examination : By Mr. Smith—Q.—What i8 your business now? A.—Iam_doing nothing at present. I kept o club-house liere, connected with eoms little other business for & good many years—iwenty years. -Are vou interested in any so-called club- house now? A.—I um not at piesent. Q.—How lately have you been intercsted in ono? Ai—Within the last few weeks. Q.—Have you prior to that time, say back of 57, been generally intercsted in some club- house ? A.—1 have. Q.—Then I understand you your businessis gambling? A.—Well, yes, sir: gambling in that Liind of way. ~—You would call yourself » gambler? A.— gir: [ suppose the community would, and [ suppose I have to submit. - —During the time of which you have spoken in your direct examiation, how often did you ses the plaiotiff, Mr. Mlasber, in this club- room of which you have spoken ? A.—Woll, #ir, I could not tell how often. I ¥now they camo there and plaved cards, but I could not specify any particular time, 1o more than I could twenty years mgo, when I passed fifty times, in the course of three months, La Balle streer. I kmow they came. Q.—To thie best of your recollection, was Mr. Malier in the habit of coming there froquently ? A.—Yen, #ir; he was at the time I was there— 1heo firat four or five months I had the house. Q.—Was he in the babit of playing often? A—Yes, sir; ho generally played when he came. Q.—Was he particular about tho person with whom he played ? A.—No, sir; thero was a party of four, five. six, or soven thpt usually used to play together. 1 Q.—You say you bave seen him play with Far- well 2 A.—Y bave. Q.—Do you mean when you have seen him playiog with Farsell that be and Farwell were 1bo only oncs engaged in that game? A.—No, gir, not at all. Q.—How many werc generally engaged in a game ? A.—TLhe game was usually pleyed with 1rom four to five and wix. ¥ive was what we used to cocsider & pice gamo of poker. Bat sometimes six and sometimes four. Perbaps in plasing a gamo of poier thore wounld be five or six playing to-Gay, and two or three of them would be away to-morrow, and tuere would be three or four more drop in who were aesociates always, making up & game of fivo o six. Q.—Ihe game would changze from time to time, bui ustally would contist of the same nnumber of persors engaged in it ? A —Gener- ally four to eix at one board ; if thero was any more thet wanted to play we would furnish an- other table. Q.—Did you ever seo Maher nud Farwell playing alonz No, &ir; not to my kuowl- edge. I might, but I caw’t remember. You must allow one thing, that & man who has kept thess club-rooms for years pays bat little cttet- tion to whet is going on, except atiending to his own business. Q.—To the Lest of your recoilection. youhave never seen Mr. Farwell and Maber playing alove 1n o game of poker? A.—No, sir: I don’t re- memiber auy such; I might bave done it & dozen times, atd I would got remember. 'Q.—What was your business in connection with ihene club-roome ? _A.—My busivess was to get all the ** take off I coald from the table. We have a regular system in playing poker, when ceitain hzuda are called, to put & check in the Lole, which paya the Liouse. .—Then you would Jookout for the house? A.—Not particularly for that ; gentlemen gen- erglly do that themselves. I had other things around the room to do,—sclling checks, and mizht be playing some other cards mysalf. Did yon have in this room a faro-table ? ~—Yes, sir. Q.—Did yon attend that faro# A.—I Lelped to aitend it. —Woro ¥ou in thehabit of attending it? A Yoy, sir. 5 3 'Q.—During the time tho playing was going on in tbe rooms, you wers generslly engage: some busincss pestonal to yourself, wero you not? A.—~Somatimor; L wes porhisps cogeged A i moro, sometimes leaa i dealitg at the baak in tae game of fero, aod | very rarely, althongh sometimes, was there 1n 1 frequeatiy played in tho game myaelf. . Q.—In_the game of poker? * A.—Somotimes T was playing, aod sometinics lookng out. Thero aro wava of being engaged in a house of that lind all thoe time. Q.—What was usaally the number of persons presont in this club-room during the evening? ‘A.—That would he guess-work with me. I can't tell. I had probably fifteen or tweaty restular goztlemen that came to the house, somelimes sometimes there might hree, or four, and tlien not be more than two, thero might be twventy. Q.—IMxve vou kuown Mr. Maner o play at oker or cards duzing tho last ten years? ‘es, uir ; 1 havo seen him piay carde, Q. —How 1ately havo you sccu him play? Al —1 think I buve ven Lim playing within the Jast two moucha. Q.—At whiat place? A.—Some whore ou Ciari | street ; { dou't know the nutaber. Q.—7hat was the character of the place? A. —A faro-Lank. Q—You have Iknown him, then, as s player of cards or games for money, baves't you, gensrally since 16572 A.—Tuo first. I'thivk [ ever saw Jcher play cerds wasin'57—I am not poeitive as to the year. Q.—You have koown bim sings that time, up to somewhera near the present tiine, 28 a general player of cards for money 2 A.—I coald not say that. I thiok I have heard and think I kuow cf tho time when be bas stopped playing for a lovg time. Q.—Would he resume 2gain ? A.—He has re- sumed since, becanse I have seen him play swce. Ithink there kas been. timxos 1 Lave Lnowa Maher, or heard e has stopped, but he never told me ansthing of the kind. Q.—Has be, or kas he not, been considered in tho gambling community & common or ordinary pleyor,—one who is in tho habit of playing? A.—I don't kuow exactly bow to answer that qaestion. Heis nos cousidured & sporting man atall. Q.—He wss considered in the hsbiz of playing cards for mouey, was le not? A.—He hes played cards for money since I bave known him, 8t times, ana stopped. s Q.—Hasn't he generally been considerod a playor of cards for monoy? I do noi imean a sporting man. A~ hardly know Low to answer that question. Q.—You have known frequently of bis play- ing? A.—I have in the last iiftcen years. Re-direct examination: By Mr. Caulfield— Q.—At the time Mr. Maher visited these roors, gav from '57 np, was ho not known as o man of wealth and a largo property-holder in Chicago 2 A.—Ithink ho had that reputation. I alwags eap- Posed he was o man of that kind. Q.—Didn't you know Lo was in husiness at that time ? A.—T bardlv knew his bosiness ex- cept a8 a real-eatate man. Q.—Mr. Malicc's businers was not gambling, wagit# A.—L pever supposed it was. ¥ Q—Thut wus no: bis repuiation in tho city, wasit? A—Novasa gambling man, or sport- ing mao. - Q.—Wasn't he like a great who Leve a legimate busin theso tvlaces and take o private gume, without being considered gamblers? A.—That was always my idea of 1t. OFf course a sporting may is a manm my idea that makess speciaky of that, and notbing clse. Q.—That Mr. Maber Gid not do? - A.—I never thought so or hieurd so. Q.—Wan Mr. Charles B, Tarwell's character that of ¢ gambler? A.—No, wir. Q.—Do you know what husiness Farwell mas in ot this time that k2 2ud Mahcr nused to meet A.—I kpew ho wes conunecied with the Court- use. Q.—Clerk of tha County Court? A.—I guems that was it. At tost time they came aud pleyed carde, as farasl Lurw, sttha clup-room; was where tea or tweaty gentlomen came, also mer- caants, 2cd go fort] Q.—Did you nct sco men st that house at e time Farwell and Maher were frequenting it who were ongaged in mercantite pursuits aud other businees in the city? A.—Ves. &i hey were the cless of men toat frequented the house. Q.—Do yon know whether Farwell playsd faro? M—Yes,wsir. . . Q.—Ho éid play faro? A.—Yer, sir. —D:d Maber play at that? A.—Ves. gir. At thot tima? “"A.—Yos, sir. I thiok T have seen him plas—I know I have,~I can’t 22q1gn any particalar time. B MIGIAEL TURNET'S DETOSITION. Deposition of Miciael Turney, taken oo behsif of complainant brforo T. §, Oliver, Notary Pud- lic, Sazurdav, Arril 18, 1874, . ' Direct Examination—By Mr. Caulfielé—Quos- tion—What 18 vour age, occupation, and pleos of residence? Ansver—My rameis Michael Tir- ner, 44 years of nge. I am living af Evauston at present. Real cstuta syout. 5 Q.—Has yonr residence ever been in Chicago ? A—Yes, sir; I neve always lived here,—I myan since 1830, t Q.—Are you scquainted with Hugh Mohere if &0, Low long Lavo you kunown bim, and how weill? A.—Yee, vir; Isuppose fiftoen or sixtizen years: kuow him pretty intivnteiz. 2 Q.—Are yon acjuainted with Cbarles B. Far- well, n defendaut iu this ruit; if €0, how 1ong Jiave yon known bira, and how rell? A.—I haxo known hium since October, 1850. When he first cams here, he was a teller in Georse Smith's bank. and that is among the first acquaiatances I made here in 1850. . Q.—How intimate: have you been with him in that time? A.—Well, mora or lees intimate— :l![iin!lmlh with him a8 I have been with aoy- body. i Q.—Have you met him much or little sinco 1830 2* A.—iVell, from 1853 or 1354, up to 1569, I mot him vers frequently. A period of six or sevea years since then 1 have not seen much of bim., Q.—He was then County Clerk, was he not? A.—He was first a reller or receiver. Q.—No: from 1854013607 A,—Well, Idon't recollect. My first acquaintauce with him was a8 a teller in George Smith's bank. He lott that, and aftervards was County Clork, Q.—During what period was he County Clegk ? A.— My impression 18 he was Couaty Clerk for abont eizht vears. . From” what time to what time? A—I dou't koow. Q—Dn you remember he was County Clark from 1853 until altec 19602 A.—Duringthe period that I kvew him presty well be was County Clerk—during that time. ¥ impression is that e wes County Clerk for cieht years. Q.—You sey yon met him quito frequently at that time. At what placa or places would you most frequencly mect him during that pericad ? A—T met him everywaere,—on the streets and in club-rooms. Q.—When vou ssy *club-rooms,” do you or not mezn places where gamoling is going om? A.—Yes, sir. That is gencrzlly,what thoso sort of places are designated by. Thatis a gonteel nome for gambling-houses. Q.—You don't mean by that the Chicago Club ? A~—Well, they aroall Chicago Clabs, I scp- poas. ‘Thev sre peculiar institutions. Q.—Duning the period mentioned, bow ofton durimg the weok could you meet Mr. Farwall in theso gaming rooms ? A.—These facts that I am stating vow,—the time that has olapsed hai been 8o great that Icaunot fix snything very delinitely—it is more than ien or twolve years— my general recollection of theso things i§ prowty Loui but I could not swear very definitely to zuyching., Q.—Just answer according to your best recol- lection—now how often duriug tae week? Sometimes 1 would mect hins every day for two, or three, or four days of a weol, and then proba- oly I would ot see him for threo or four weels. Q—But Imean how often at the gaming- houses? A.—That 18 what I saoy; gometjmes dauly for threo or four days in ono week, and then probabiy 2 week or ten_days would elapse and I'would not seo liim during that time. Q.—During the periods that you would not sce him in that time, would you youreelf have been st the gaming-houses# A.—I cannot recollect. Q.—What would you eay was Mr. Charles B. Farwell's business during this time? A.—He was ofticially the County Clerk Lore. time expired as Clerk, I do not kuow any busi- nees that he was engazed in until he wont into partoership with his brother, Jobn V. Farwell, though he may have been cngaged. Q.—How much of his time while he was County Clerk did he give to bis ofiice, and how much to gammng? A.—That 1s a question that I could not anawer. I do not know abything about it. He might have beon gambiing forty-eight hours on a_ stretch, and I not koow anything about it. I understand thoso fellovs used to huve pretty lonyg sessions. Q.—\hat do you mean by those fellows ? A.— T understand that Charley, wheoever hs would get ** stuck,” was a pretty good sitter. Q.—Whai do you mean by ** getting stuck?” A.—Well, & loer, gotiiag behind-hand, Q.—When he was winuer how was it? A.— Vihen he was winner, it was not so hard for him to quit. Q.—From yoar present recollection, during the time that you nged 10 meet him at the gam- ing-houses, what portion of his time in the even- ings, would you esy from your observetions %38 8pent by lum at these gaming-Louses? A— That I do not kuow. I was very eeldom there of au evening. Tnotimo that I was there was gen- ernlly in the arternoon. Q.—Duriug the dastime? daytime 1n l:ge afternoon. . .—Then you met him moat frequently during the deytime? A.—That was most generally the time that I would go around {0 thoze places, I A.—During the After his ¢ the ovening—that is, after 6 or 7 o'clock. . Q-—In addition to goiug to the ordinary gam- ing-houses, do you knmow of sny pnvato or impromptu arrangements gotten.up for aming by Farwell and others?” A.—I do not 0w what you mean. Q.—Do 0u know of his playing at other places than thoso gaming-houses? ~ A.—I have heard of hiy g\n‘fluc in other places. Q.—Woro sou ever there? A.—Iheard of his playing when I was not present. Q.—Have you ever been at other places with bim than ordinury gaming-houses? A.—I think it very likely. Iknow positisely that I have eeen bim pleving over bLeroin rho Snerman Houso, and also at the Tremont House. Q.—Waz it for foaor proit? A.—It was gen- erz!ly for protis, Q.—1Ind Charley KL“ forfunmuch? A.—Oh, T dou't know ; Lie probaoly would. Charley way a man thar was very fond of playiog cards, Q.—Did you Laow auything of **Jula” Lom- bard ? A.—Yes, sir, I know hum. Q.—How was he about card-playing? A.— Well, sir, Lie had the reputation of being & very eialifal card-player. Q—What do you mean by skillful? A.—A maa that was very ekillful in handlivg cards— conld do most anytbing with them. ~The feats that he would porform were eaid to be very won- derful. 1 believe that ho_has quite s national reputation.” This man Lombard bed euch a very great reputation here that of course nobody tbat koow him would play with him or play in any pame where ho was. For that reason I dou't recollect that I cid ever ei- ther see or play in a game of cards where he was one of the players. Q.—Do you know a man of the name of Jor- dan? A.—Yes, sir. Q.—What sort of a feliow is he? ~A.—I never Lnew anything of him cxcept in connection with bhis card-playiug. Q.—Wuat was his repatation among !porlin? men for dexterity in handling carda ? ~ A.—Wol, his renutation, a8 near as Ican get at it, was that Le was 2 follow that was always looking for sdvantages, but ho waan't smars enough always to get shom. Q.—Did these men, Jordan and Lombard, vie- it the same_ewiablisaments that Farwell did or not? A.—Yes; this man Jordan I have very froquently scen ployiog cards in » party in which Farwell was ono of the compsoy. I can- not cali to mind any ope particular tie now at this distapce of time, of ever having ecen Jule Lombard play, though I have freauently sesn him in theso places, just ag you often sce out~ siders coming in aod looking on. Q.—Do you know whether Farwell and Lom- bard wore acquainted? A.—I presume they were, of courae. Q.—Do you know whether they plaved to- gother? A.—I vover saw them—that is, I don't Tecollect of ever having scen them. Q.—Do you Lnow the extent of the intimacy of Tarwell and Lombard togorher? A.—I do not. Q.—Do you know how thesa privata paities, gotfen wvp outside of the club-rooms, wers troaght together, ana by waom? A.—Asfaras thiat goes, @i of thess, to the best of my recol- Jection, ~were either owned or controlied by fi:m’nleu wherever they Were, except, probably, these games that I mentioned a8 having been played at the Tremont House. Now, this lvi'nme tha thoy had here in the old Sherman House, to the beat of mv recolloction, the rooms wore hired by zamblers. That is, what I mean by Lnat, is professional blacklsgs. 0.—You have seen Farwell playing in those rooms, bave vou ? A.—Yes, sir. Y Q.—When I speak of the private parties, T mesn when Farwell and bis friends would play together, how were he and his friends brought togetaer, was it by accideut or bv appoictment ? A.~I conld not state how they bave been brought together ; I don't knor. ) Q.—Do you know whother any of the entertein- ments in which Mr. Farwell participated were brougbt together by notes from soybody, or by sppointmouts made by ausbody? A.—I don't kuow. Somelimesono sud somotimes another swould say, *Why, hero. I think thers are a party of Lhesc gentlemon playiog at sach and such i i Suaposc wo go and sec, and see what is zoing on.” Sometimes a notice would bs givea by one and sometimes by another. Q.—Wero stiangera from the ontside towns, cities, and villages cver admitted to these ente tainments ? A.—Oh, yes, &ir, o8 old Buttertietd suys ** Tnese gambling places sre like the gates of Leli—they ate always open.” Q..—Were there ever aay entertainments got- ten up especially for the beuetit of oatsiders ? A.—1 have no doubt there were. Q.—Do you know of any? A.—No, Idonot; that1s { don't know of my personal knowledge more than what I Dhave heard. Iknow from hearaay. . Q.—Have you over played with Mr. Farwell ? A—Yes, Bir. A.—Yes, sir. Q. parately ? or in the same game, or how ? A —With Maber I have played games oI seven- up or euchre. Q.—I am not asking yon what you played. I want to knaw whether vou plaved with Farwell and Maher or not, together 7 A.—Yo, sir. Q. —How ottendo you suppose? I don’t mean numorically, hut how often during & woek, 8 month, or & year? . A.—I ebould sav for a period of five or Fix vears, from about 1353 or 1854, up t0 1860, very often- Q.—How long & time would you play with them ? A.—That is, during & day—jyou moan ove particular play 2 Q.—One sittng? A.—Oh, usually two or three hours. Q.—Ever play moro? A.—Yes; sometimes I have played cizht or ten hours. Q.—How loog have you known Farwell and Mzher to phi togesher at Buy one time? A.— Well, from hearsay. I bavo hea:d they had some prettty long “sittinge—twenty-four hours, or & matter like that. Q.—How longhayp youlmown them of your own. knowledge? A.—Of course I know of notaniog exoopt what I have sosn. To the best of my recollection I do not thiuk I over made s longer sitting than say from 2 or half-past 2 o'clock in tho artornoon, until abont 11 or 12 lock at pight. I think that was the vatside limit. Q.—That yon wonld sit? A.—To the best of my recollection it was. ‘Q.—What was tho object of these gemee, Sim- ply amueement, or profit and amueement togeth- er? A.—As nesraslcan getatii, lhe object was to see who conld got ths othor's money— men generally don't have these sittings for fun. Q.—When Maher and Farweil played together in your presence, who got the Lester of it? A.— With regard to that s I say, if it had been last weck, I could tell moredefinitely, but as the time has been Bo long I do not recollect of ever reeing them play in & game of cards since 1860, as I say. All tius playing that I have seen them make had been previons to 1 Q.—During that time when you saw them, who won, Farwell or Maher? A.—My impressioo is that the balance was generally against Mr. Maber. Q.—Do you know anything of Mr. Maher giv- ing his noto to Charley Farwell for one of these gombling debts 7 A.—1 nover saw him give his vote, but I know, as well as I koow anything, that T naver have soun that he has given it. —Have you cver given you noto to Farwell 2 A.—1I did on one occasion. Q.—What was this note for? gambling bill. - . Q.—How much was it? A.—Well, it was in the neighborhood of £300,—either something a Tittle over that or sometbing under it,—I don't recollect the amount,—it was in that neighbor- hood. Q.—To whom was the nots mads payable? A. 11 I recollect it was payable to mveelf. Q.—To yourself or order? A.—To myself ar order. Q.—Wasn't_Mr. Farwell's pame mentioned? ATt tarned up afterwacds in the possession of mau by the name of Chaudler, who was a clerk at that time in Mr. Farwell's office. " How do you kuow that it turned up in Chsandler's possession? A.—Well, he had it. Q.—Did you go to him when this note was due to pay it 2. A.—No. EF.—Dxd he gotoyou? A.—He came to me. Q'—Did you know previous to_his coming to you tbat Chandler hadit? A.—I did not. Q.—What took place between you and Chand- ler in reference to this note? A.—Well, I asked bim, to the beat of my rec- ollzction now, where he got it and Low he got it. 41r. Smith—I object to evidence of wnat took place between other partics, as wellasto all that the witness has said which is hesrsay. The Witness—I don’t recolieci now what ho stated a3 to where he gos it. ] n ot 1t from Parwell, and Lo 8aid no, bo did not: 2ot it from somebody else, I then told him that that was a note that was given o 3Ir. Farwell, and I think I told him what it was given Xu'r, and he denied any connection of Mr. Farwell's with this note very distinctly and very emphati- cally. Q.—To whom did you give the note? A.—T gave it to Mr. Farvell. s i Q.—When you found it, it was in this man's possession ? - A.—Yes, 6ir. é N 0.—Do you kmow whether this man got it simply for collection, or bad he bought 12 A— Ho owned 1t : said it belonged to him. He told me of whom he got it, and where he got it, but 1 don't recollect now. He told me tho party of whom he got it, but I think the man did pot know where it did come from. I think he was perfectly honest about that. Ho seomed to bo Yery much_surpriced, and houcstly sarprised, when I told him to whom I had given it A.—It was for a Q.—Have you ever played with 3r. Maher 2 T asked bim if ho | Q.—Did you tell him what it was for? Tes, Eir. Q.—Have yon any knowledge of any other n0tss being given by other paries to Mr. far- well for these gambling debts? A.—I have beard of other parties giving notes. O-—Rut do sou know of vour own knowledge? A.—Inever saw one of them, nor never aaw 203booy giving one. Q.—You say you plaved up to about 1850 with %r. Farwell? * A.—Well, 1359 or 1860—along ere. Q-—Did yon over plsy wizh him afier that? —No. Q.—Whynot? A.—Well, the losings that I me: with whonever I rort af monotonous. A— ¥ woro o persistent ,” when you Well, [ mean tiwe that I bave sny recoliection of Laving plaved iu o game whera he wes, was | doxn hore on ilie corner of Siate sed—Tom Andrews’ butiding thers—the corncr of State .s‘u& Lake streots. ‘Lhat is what I mean by 3 1] You mean, then, by there, at Tom An- drows'? A.—That is my recallection of it. “'I'nere™ is a place, and tho place was Tom Auc drews', at the cornerof State and Lsio strests. Q.—Tho question way, why did vou not play after toat time with Farwoll? A.—I do not kpow that I ever played with Lim subsequeat to playing as that place. Q.—Wby didu't you play with him? A.—I telt satistied that 1 was getting the worst of it, that was all. I coula oot hold 1y owa with the fellows that were playing there. Q.—When you say * with _tho fellows,” docs that include or exclude Mr. Farnell? A.—Thst means the wholo party. . Does tunt include or exclude Farwell? A.—Probebly some twenty-five or thirty men that played thera, off aud op, at varions times, sume of them dead, but most of them are living. Chasley Farnell was oue of the rogular | leyers there; most of the others were sowme- tbing hke myeelf, they did Dot play thera only once i1n s while. occasionatly. ‘There were fifty or sixty men through torn acre that would occasionally go thers like 3 cnever I went there, most geveally Cliarley Farnell wasona of the players. Ho was a re- lisble one. Idon' know bur what this old fel- Jox was there too [mndisating Mr. Mabor.] Q.—Ead you or not any fears that yoa wera fouilv dealt with? A.—I did bhave very great fears. Q.—By whom? A.—Well. I bad my sus- picions s o wwho the parties were. I kuew who the parties were that were getting hoid of most of the money, and { had my suspizions, though 1 Lnew of nothing except what I had heard. Q.—What was Charley Farwell's reputation among sporting men for nonesty in the gzaws? A.—1 caupot state wbat Lus repuiation was o an tny 0wn OpinivD. | Q.—Well, 33 an_export, wist was his repu- i tation? A.—Well, Charley had wne reputation of i being » mau who, 1f he got tko best ot auy body, or took auy advantaye, Lo bad to have somevody o belp bi He had no repu:ation of being wkzillfal card-player bimaelf. Q.—Bu he had the reputation of having some- body to belp him? A.—That was tho general opinion that was enteriained by peoply, that as far a4 ho Lumself was concarned, Le Was not able to do much. 'Q.—Who wes his halper? A.—Well, thunder! thatisa thing I don't kuow anytbing aboat. ‘Yhere might bave been forty of them. The men that fitted up these places, and bad control of them, to the bess ot my recollection, were all gomblers. Probably two or tree of them out of the whole lot—[ don’t kno# who they wore— may bave been Liolpers. Q.—Do you know whether Farwell had any intercst ih the profits of tais establishment? No, sir. 1 don't know anytbing about tiat. Q.—Do you know whother or not Jordan nsed 10 play o these games with bim most of the time? A.—Yes, wir; he was one of the partics that played there. Q.—What was the reputation of Jordsn and Fauwell among eporting men? A—As far a8 the man Jordsn 18 coucerned, what Ihave heard of bim sioce theu—at the time [ speak of, I knew notning about it—siuce then I base heard of Lum, aud bis reputalion was ex- ccadingly bad, as bad as uny maa in the coanter. Q.—Do youremomberthe time that r. Farw was patting up some buildings on Wabasn ave- nue? A.—\Where tho stores are, do you mean ? Q—Deling-houses? A.—I nover kuew he owned apy oxcey:. thie store that they hud there just south of Wastington street. 1 understood {le owned that, or owisod & large interest 1o it » Q.—Do you know when they weie in process of erection ? A.—Thosa buildings do~n thore 2 Q—Yos, £ir, o Wabash avenuo? _ A.—No, T do not koow that. I don't know anythiog about 1t, except that I understood tha: Lo either owned the lot oo which the atore of J. V. Farwell stood, or else he owned a iarge wterest in it. Wilder told e be owned it. Q.—Do you romsmber, when you would a1l get together to pluy, of any remarks that would be made to Mr. Farwell about the muney that waa won in this gawo guiug nto those buildings ? A.—No, Idorot. Q.—Do you know how Jordan was regarded. ss connected with these zames 1n cunuection with Fexwell playing for bimsclf or in partnership with any! A.—Atthe time tl:ese playu wera oing on I knew nothiug at zll about it. either by §Ir. Jordan or My. Farnell. Subsequent to that 1 bed heard that they wera playicg together— that iy, they were partnors in the gamicg trans- actions. That1s mere hearsay. I doa's koow apything abont it—that was told mo afterwards. Q.—Did sou know auytaing of George lrus- seil dunng his hifetime 2 A.—I knew who he was. Q.—What was bis occupstion? A.—Tls first that I knew of bim, ho was Jdown on the docks whon I wasin businesaiu 1350. He was a clerk, either, 1 think, for Kichraond & Co., or for Charles Walker & Co.,—one of these;—.e wasa bookkeepor in one of thess stores. Q.—Whae was Lis subsoquent empl jyment? A.—He was 3 gambler. Q.—Was he 2 man who visited gambli g estab- lighments, or did ho ovn any himselti A.—He was a profaesiousl gambler. Q.—Had ho any establishment of his own? A.—Yen, gir. | _Q—Where was his cstablishment byre? A.— ! e reputation tbey bo had Lere wie, thai he bad au 1aterest iu pretty nearsy every gambliog- honse there was in the city. He had the repuca- tion of bemng a speeizl detective nere: bo was interested with C. P. Bradley hers, who was Superintendeat of the Police Department, and he was reprarded 88 a man, well, that had & sort of immunity with the puiice; that is the reputa- tion he had. —Do you know of any establishment here in Which he bad &n_interest—any. gambling-es- tablishment? A.—He was tbe suppcsed pro- prietor of a hous that was onco located in “this Luilding—in the Larmon Biock at tuat time. It waa known then cs the Larmon Block, at the northeast corner of Washington aud Clark sireots. Q.—Was you ever in his spartments? A.— Yeu, sir. .—Did you ever meet Mr. Farwoll there? Yes, sir. ¥ a Q.—Did yon ever play thore? A.—Yes, sir. Q.—Do you know s nether Farweil ever plased there or not? A.—Yes, sir; I Lave scen him play there. g o Q.—Do you know of any connection existing batween Farwell and Trussoll 1o tae gambling busiess ? A.—I do not. S Q.—Do you know how ‘[russell got his inflc- ence with the police, or througlh whombe got it? A.—Ide not kuow that ho hud any—that was tbe reputation thac he had. Idon't know that the man bad a particle of inflaence. Q.—Doyou know what became of Trussell? A—He was kilied. ) Q.~\Wnera? A.—Some place in the city. Q.—By whom? A.—Khilled by & woman—a mistrese. —-Sho went by the name of olly Truseoll, did she not? A.—1 don’t remember. Q.—Did you ever bave any difficalty with Mr. Farwell about card-playing ? A.—XNone £ recol- lect of. Q—I mesu querrel? A.—I mever had any quarrel with bim. N : G—You remember of making an accusation agaios: bim on one occasion at the gamblipg- table? A. -No; Idonot N —In Stuars's building, whea it belonged to Afathews, at the corner of Washington and Stats { streets; you remember of making su accusation | aoainst him there at the gaming-table at old Stuart's houze, down there? A.—I dom't ever recollect of baving sces bim there. [ had an oftice ir this buildiag with Watis und Mathews: wo were together for a number of years down on Clark sitreet. After he builc that building, 1 bad my office there, but I do not ever remember of seeing Farwell in tbat building. Q.—Have you seen Msher Diaying with Far- well and Jordan, seldom or frequentlv? A.— Separately do you meaa, or with & party of which they were a portion of the party ? Q.—Eiher? A.—I dont know that I over saw them playing togetuer singls. I bave eeen them plaging together very frequeutly. Q.—Do you know of toy wamblinz_indebled- ness betwcen Alsher ond Farwell duringthe period you speak of ? A.—Yer. sir. 1 have beard a great deal about it, particularly from Ar. Matier himself. Q.—Do 1 know abont it ? ing giderably in debt to Mr. Farwell. Lknnve that by secin the play guing 02. ‘This plat that tuey were making is made nut gouc:zly wii 4 ploy theragot o bo | A.~Tknowthat Lie ob times basbeen vers con- | o 2N I ST but with coaters, or what is calisd “*chipr.” A man that bad tae mos: of tuem was generally suppa«s1 ta be the winner. Thes roproseatad sums of mozer 82.50 to ¥25, and by lookivg—au accusiomed to see thoso mie RO 1nto s room—yon can. teil peet stage of the yame by tue amoun: ot nng:s that theso men bal. .—How could you tell what s2 quarters and t was doilarwand twodollars, snds00n? A— It is very easy; the money-dsnomination was markad on eachchip, Tho white Clx[ya ware sked a3 50 centa, the rod oues as 32.30, and the Llde ones as 325, Of coures they Imade Lieed marks anvthing they pleasad. They coal i cull thy blua ones $160. amil tao red ones 5o, aud tae othess @1, or call them 25 conts of 14 conta, “Q.—When Farwell and Flugh and voa played, id you plox & low game or & bigh game? A Sometimes they play pretzy bigh. I pever piay<" od in any of their what wers called “big games. 3 Q.—What do you mean bv that? A.—I have seea taem play thers what they call 812.50 aote. —it woull be tive rod checks at $2.50 each,’ That is o prettr savage game. I don't kuow thai © 1 had ever participated ia that sor: of game my- #elf, though [ had seen them. Q.—T don't suppoas Farwell played such & big game, didho? A.—He would plays game for any anonot. I have heard of their playing for very much larzer sums evon than that. thongh 1 think that is the largeat game that I ever have seen. Q.—When you say of * their playing,” whoda _ yonmezn? A.—What I mean Is these partiex that played there. Ican name over s good many ' of them, bur I cannot name all. Hugh Maher : was oue of thom, L'arwell was one, 2ad this man * Jordan was ope probabls, ot various times, and at dittarent times fifteca or tweniy others, Q.—Do rou kncw of any demand heving beea - snado by Mr. Maher of Cha¥les Farwell ana tme man Jordau for u check or checks which this man had given to Uarwell or Jordan,orons of them, fox money losi at gaming? A.—You waat to Siow - i [ ever knew him to make a demand of either of theta for the potes or mone lost at gamitg > Q.—Euher of them or both of taem together 7 AT kuow of Mr. Mabor making & demand of tbis man Jordan. It waa for some money loet at zaaing. Q.—Do you know whst connection Mr, Far- well had with 17 A.—I du not koow shas ne had any. Q.—Do you know whero the demand was - A.—Yes, gir. .—Where? A.—In this bailding, - the Lar- mon Block,—not thi» building, but the buliding that stood bere befors the fire. Q.—Do you know whother Farwell was, pres- aut? A.—Farvell was present in tha building at the tims that thig transaziion twok placs. you remomber whether he was in the A.—Ho was no in tho room, tothe bost of my recclection, when the demand was made of nim. Q.—Do you know whon the gamein which thege lozings took plece bed bven plagad, or how long borore the domand ? A_—-Alfl koow is what Mx. 3faber told me himsalf,—ihat it was the day previons, or within a short time previoua. I think 1t was tie day or 3 day or i %o pravioua. ' Q.—Do sou know whether or not Farwell was | engagedin the gamo at which thesa lozings took placo? A.—At waich this money was loay 2 Q.—Yes, sir, A.—[ don't kuow of my owa knowledge. I was pot present, and dida't know anything sbont it, excopt what hiad bzea told me by r. Maber. ,—When vou say that Farwell was in the building, do you mean in tae rooms—in the gambling-rooms? A.—Thore were four, or five, or six of these rooms, with ous or two on this street, and one, I think, fronting on Wasking- ton—ane or two on Washinogton. There were fonz or five rooms all coonectol by doors. Mr. Fac- well was in the front partof the building, and Mr. Jordan znd Mr. Maher were in one of tha Tear rooms. [Counsel for defcndant, Farwell,abjocts to the testimony of this wituess on tho ground that it | is irrolevant and bearsay.] Cross-examination : By Mr. Smith—Q.—What wad your busipess betwesn 1833 and 18612 A.— 1 wag engsved in the forwarding and commission business ; after I left that bosinees, from 1853, the real-estate businoss. Q—Upto 18617 A.—After 1353, Q.—Where? A.—In Chicago, I have lived Liere since 1350. Q.—Did you consider yourself duringthat time what you havecalled a * aporting man?” A.— No gir, I did not. A_Q Did yon consider yoursolf s gambler? No, sir. Q.—Now, will vou stato what persoos you were in the Labit of seeing at these places where you met Mr. Meher, Mr. Farwell, sud Mr. Jordso, meutioned m your direcs tostimony ? A.—You want me to 8ta:o the uamen of tho parties ? Q.—Yos, sir. A.—I don't know that I can tell them. Q.—State all that you can recollect? 2T dou’t know that 1 nuve any right to do that, .—Well, that 1s the quession? A.—Idonot thiuk it i8 & question I have got any busivess fa answer. I will answer as far as I am coucerned ‘mysolf, but s 1o naming other parties.— Q.—But you have mentioned others? A.— Well, I know I have mentioned othars. Q.—I ask vou to state who you have seen there ? A.—You ask mo the ame of any par-" ticuliar person that I have seen thera and I will answer you yes or no. Q—L'askyouto state who youhave seen at these places? A.—The timo has been so long, 1 have seen hundreds, and, if I am called upon to name them, I could notdoit. I could mot nams belf of them, or a quarter of them. | Q.—You can name some of them? A.—Of conrse, I cannamesome of thom, and I have pamed some of them—some of the more promi- nent ones—those that occusred to me more roadily. : Q.—Name those who you recollect ? Mr. Caulfield—I object to hie nawing any one as connected with thissuit who I have not named 88 confederates. Witness—That is 3 question I won't answer unless [ am compellad to. Mr, Smitb—Then yon decline to answer the' n 2, A.—1 have no busine:s to name theee Q—von declino to auswer ths question? A.—Yes, sir; the fact 1=, it 13 2 question I conld not answer—who Wwere !l theue pestice. The tizze bas been some fonrtaen years gincs I met any of them. wnITCHN. Whitemno, teken April 21, liver, Notary Pubiic. Deporition of W 1874, Lefore T. DEFOSITION OF W, T. WHITEMAS. Direct examinatio By Mr. Caulfield—Q. State your name, age, occapatiou, and place of residence. A.—W. T. Whiteman, 39, Chicago. Q.—Haw long bLave you lived in Chicago? A —About eleven years. ) Q.—Are you acquaintad with Charles B. Far~ well and Hugh Maher ? A.—Yes, sir. Q.—How long have you known them? A.— Eight or ten years. I suoald think. Q.—Have you. during that time, ever scem' them engagea in avy social conversation or en- ter:ainwent 2 A.—Yee, sir. Q.—\What sort of eviertamnments hx7e you seen them engagod in 7 A.—Various oaes, of conrse. Q—Name somo of them. A.—I haveseen them conversiug snd chatting ns men usually do. Q.- -Auy other enteriainment : just name soms eatertainment ? A.—I Lave seen them playing cards. Q.—About how often? A.—That I cacnot 8ay ; several tines. Q.—Whers? A.—In Chicago. Q.—How long at & thin= bave vou seea’ them playing cards hore ? A.—Ok, several times. I could Lot state. Q.—Wgre thay piering for pleusnre or profit ? A.—Prokit. T suppos 3 Q.—Any mocey invoived in tho game? A~ supyose k0. Q.—What game were thoy plasing? A~T bave seen them plaring coker. Q.—Do you know who wasloser atthe game as betwecn Maher and Farwell? A.—No, I dou’t know about that. ’ Q.—Wbat was Mr. Farwell's reputation for adroitocss at play ? A.—Well, sir. [ don't lnow as Lie s tno repatation of beingauy beitsr than a gieat muay otbers. o [Crure-czamination held open for oppueile counsel.] JOEX E. YOS AND Y. N MARSEALL. z of J. B. Lyov and F. I. Marshall, 22, 1874, before T. . Oliver, a Notary Depoxiti takien April Public. Dicect examination: By Mz. Caulfield—Qi— What is you name, aze, cecupation, and place of .—J. B. Ly 435 : residence, Clicago ; oceuy , commiesion merchast. Q.—Are you acqaainted with Hugh aher and Charles B. Farwell? A.—Yes, gir. Q.—How long have yon known toem? A.—1 have koown tzem p-ta since 1334, Q.—How well haveyou knosn them? A.—I am well acquainted with both of taeta. Q.—Have you ever econ ei:ler of ther engag- ed 1b plaving cards ? A —Yes, sir. Q.—Which ot them? A.—I have sccn both of them. Q.—When yousay you have seen both of ‘kem, you mezn yoi have seen them ip sepacate gamod or in the sawe game? A.—I bave sean bath of them plagiog separateiy and together. Q.—Was this frequently or geldom? A— Q.—Do you kvow bow frequently you have (Seo Ninth Pago.)