The Sun (New York) Newspaper, September 4, 1872, Page 1

bien! SS — —— — ee — — _ THIRTY-NINTH YEAR, 1872, PRICE TWO CENTS y ' ——— - — — — Se ee em, ah y f ‘The men that did tho business of the company | the draft had been drawn? A.—Yes, eit; and | millions. My tmpreasion ts that the stock of | by Mr. Crain, the Assistant Treasurer, the fi > airs © ot supersed a ¥ hy \ Nim | stayed in New York, and the books of the com- | that he might provide for it. the company on the dd of May, 1866, was €16,000, | being Informal, aa Ubave altendy stntede soe | Retail Welt ett iaa Ninadeteadttecll RL ale stil ead tat REN Aue H i jp Party remained in New Vork O. To pay when It was presented? A.—Yos, | From March to May it has been increased ma- | — Q.—Hotwoen ‘those two Interviews this power |" Q.~"Do you know whan 0} sharon wore regis- | Q.—It was not executed at all? A. No, sleg od Q.-You are acquainted with Sidney Dillon? | sir; that was the tdea, a bottio of attorney had beom signed and you went on | tered in the name of Uakes Ames? A.—No, sit; | it was disap roved of by the board, because they A— Yes. sir, very well, | G.=Mr. Crane agreed to hold it? A.—Yos, sit; | Q.—The 84 of May ts no period. A.—Tho 4d of | with it? AYos, sit; and with the certified | fdounne alleged the Hoxie contract covered It Tae Ae yarn are acquainted with John B, Alley? | bp nt ine) days. a state, if you remem pest: if you plese, the stock amounted to | check. That was the sscond time, Q.—Was It before or after the 20? A.—Ithink Q.- Was the Gezner contract. intended to be ‘un At An Yes, sire .— Now, will you pleas if you romem- | $16,000, A i How the Subscription was Annulled, {t Was long sulsequent—I think so. Contract which the Credit Mobitie to How the Credit Modilier Bought |g imtoo guzant? ASAP mine | Rear tate nate MC NG GUCTAM Thtet weld | he ae apt anes ticay Ts FON? AT QS T want ta keow whether anvtiine | 49,.P2.9"M. Ane iB nimoow bovine, boon | fake? “A. en. as that Wad DiRan stage 4 . Q.cCharlee M. Griskey, do yo eae einehat tite, Very fow. We were | Q.—When the first subscription was made on | a8 eald at that: Interview In reference to Mr Med tO Nelson, the son-in-law of James nt to the board. ‘Tt was mado for the benel its Way Through Congres MUS know Ollvor M. Barnes? A.—Yer, | trealied for money and angious to get sub: | the'ad of March, 14s, by you.tn the Mame of Me, | Fant having annulled this contract or aubscrip Hobe, Ac Yes) airs Nellson govei shares; and | of the Credit Mouilier of Anerion, Ms Way ] eevee ir, seribers. Fant, and after, when your check and the Tene Asa There never was aword sald by any When did he get them? A.—Ife got thom | the Hoste ccntract aviegamtlge ey ad cake Do vou know Thos Rowland and Paul What the Steck was Werth, of attorney was tendered to the Treasurer ieing MAN about the snnulment of this eub- | subsequent to the Gakes Anes Ocha O-- Wore the Amasee or Alloy 1a ihe conoeltl — Robbe Jr AL don't think 1 know either of | @. was the stock worth paeat that time? A. fo hoa fat Qa Of the Credit Mobt- Ge arise since this controversy beran. | | G.—Aubweauent to. the wicle of the Oakes | anthattine? Artes he 17 38 oy € ‘ Yirectore ts —No. air, None of it was disposed of at that | go" ths capital stock te a ' gan. Never . it Wan & j | Ames stocks? A.—Subsequent to the trustee Mr. MeMurtrie State In what capacity we COLOSSAL BRIBERY. cla Md fa RRR Ltd Immediate time for lesathan par, or immediately | 8 herapltal stack takem | | | Men it was taken 1” Was moteven disputed ke, i s stockholders of the Credit Mobiller ol iii Q.—Do you hapy sn to know who wore the Dt- | afterward. not all taken, The whole two millions, hee Q-- Hetween the time of this interview on tho Subsequent to the 2shares? A.— Yes, sir, ? rectors of the Crodit Mobiller of America in | Q.—It could not have been sold on the street at | Ovor, was not taken, L think about two millions, | 1st of May, 1806, and the filing of this bill you Subsequent to the 97 A.—I don't know | Mr. Gowen—They were not directors? A. Robbed tho | '%% Yes, air, par? A.—No, sit. not at par, nor at any price. | and that was taken in May? Ac—Yes, sir. ‘That | Bad a number of conyersations— angry convorss- 11 the #3 shares were issued only by hearsay. | N Dillon was ors Dui was tn the Congressmen who Have Robbed the yj, ciomas'C. Durant was a Director? A.— | | Q.- It was anew enterprise? A. It was a tiow | f,'iny recollection of that. Om ihe ve day and | Yons probably-—with these gentlomen? A. How the Capital Stook was Filled Sone ease tall oan ica ono of the active es, sir. enterprise, and could only be sold to those who | fainy t i 7 aay, Ae os, dir, men; Bushnell was also in the Credit Mobiilee " Q.—What office did he hold in 1866? A.—Prest- | knew the purposes; and to men to which this | [at me say that upto the time of the resolution | “O""With these officers of the Credit Mobitter | _Q.—Do you happen to remember when the | of America, and one of the netive men, Oreas opie, and WhO LOW Suppor of the stockholders’ board increasing the ’ | Was unknown, It would not have brought a cent | Crodit Mobilior stock Atty per cent. 210.000 haa | Of America In relation to your stock? A.—Yes, | Capital stock of the Credit Mobilier of Ameriea | and Durant, «M.S, Williame; was he a Director | a share, been pald In, and my recollection {a ins! sir, was filled, apparently, whether it was held by Figure-hends. the National Robber, at time’ A. think he was Q.—Do you remember about this time of addi- | {rerodaing It to two tillicne and a tent ahoe ny Toe they ever alloge to you asa reason for | bona Ade owners, or but apparently, the whole When was the Hoxie contract completed? " ot ; oa Q.—Kenedict Stewart and Charles M. Hale; do | tlonal stock being taken by the subscribers? A. corel D. r i A ving to you your stock that Mr, Fant had | capital issued, and when it was? A.—The capl- what time do you think? A. The Hoxie o oe you know them? A.—f think |_ know Mr. Ste Tthink there was about that time, of soon | Only Increased It fo, S220.000 from $100.0 nel Shnullod ‘the subscription before he had trans: | fal stock of the Credit Mobilier of ‘America'ta | tract prover was eae fee oe uades miles, with HOW SOME MEN GET FORTUNES, | 3: Ha Fu cudnt WA LION Gai | MURETSHER GVCVLS ING NPGG TTI HEL ‘ walitele decdle v percent. there wore | ferred the elock to you? A.—Never for one soll- | $HOWKH by law. ‘The charter Axed the limit of | the right to extend «| .Q.-They reside in Philadelphia? A.—One of | Mr. MeMurtrlo— ‘That was long afterward. shares of stoc! Murs oh whic stant. « The parties who organized uncer that an To what polit? A.—West of th 4 thom does ROE a ‘ Mr Gowen ‘The minutes of the voripany MPAA Pe ce ah A) tel Ye Ne te OMB CEES of th Cony | TELS Oa ear ae rona eareod ta make Oniaha. ; haedhetchitbnd G-17) you know John Dut? ery well, | would demonstrate that Rai "i dara ell you 80? No, not one—neither officer nor | the capital hat was in 1465,in March, | Q.—It was not to go to the hundredth _ Q.—Jie hives in Boston? A.—Yea, sir Q. Vou say afterward? You do not recole | g@nety ed watt hurt ieee Gonmiderahle stockholder It was not. te WO; not taexcend | 4NA) Anos ee ee ' ara) Q.— Waa he ¢ nected wit Credit Mobile | lect how long? A. Ido not recollect how long | 7 rmen of Comes | tor in tide A THe was one of the menbers of | afterward, I Know this, that. there ae the dailroad Tureau of the Credit Mobilier who | trouble to get the stock at that thme, were the absolute managers of the concern in That is, anybody that wanted to subserthe Now York, could ave subscribed? A. Yes. sir, There was Io were in that committes? A.— | nohwsitation. Tf Thad. wanted to take that in d Hot Do you rememborwhen you have had con- | that amount with the consent of th The original Ho: o ny recollection of It. you have h Q inal'E contract was only for Fe eT id von demand. these 959 | Yeruations or controversies in reference to this | fourth of the holders of the Credit Mobil hundred miles west of Omaha, which didnot abaresy or when dld_you-muce formal apple | Mater, thia claim, that, they (the company) re- | Ame On the 3d day of March, 1865, | extend to the hundredth meridian, bat afters Cation’ “for. thet Co he iasued to “hu, | fused ta recognize ity A. Yes, wig after th ption for Mr. Fant, and after H! | ward it wes. all been extended? n + on ule a 0 were the parties? A. Sidney Dillon, ription, pital stock was | A.—It was extended t ndredth wer gad when did the partion have the post: | 9:—“Who ts now denident? “A.—Yee, air, ud ‘On that day the CredicMobte | and there teceaned, Rede ee ee Princely Gifts to the Cha mittees in Congres -_ sone lly Bushnelland Durant. Ethink GA, | my e my note for it at from four ond wuts beck AS veeh trae tee Was at that tine when this controversey began, uw had a meeting in New York | Q-—After this the Gezner contract? A.— : Mibatd. i recollect Dum, Bushnell, and Dus | tostxt Thave no doubt they would have | (li. pif fh (une PRK fog, my eummer trip in |G “wno else? A-—-John Ib. Alloy, ono of the | hd determined to increase the capltal stock, if | cate in the suniner ot 1h. hen there eae From 2,000 t9 3.000 Shares Enck to Hevry | 5 y well taken it phe fail Waning of Tsai think It was because | executive Commities, and Rowland Hazard, | they could got It subscribed for, to $2,500,000, | also a Boomer contract, which "was alee fae Wilson, Schuyler Coltax, George S. Bouts | @ -Y are acquainted with H.G. Fant? A. d.—-Was there anything then anid or dons at | Wren d hame back L calicd on sir, Crane for this eee the Ameses, both of them, Oliver and ert ne th N mber of that year that {¢ had Rullding the road west of the hundredth meri+ ely Joho Ay Bingham, James A. Gare | Ves. sir neto Indicate this transaction was not | J), ma ie ear traps kdl oie makes. wot ben taken Up. That was 18, Norbad itbeen | dian, Set ee eNeHabun- Al oe wa Dawee | __Q:. ie was in 1804, {nthe month of March, a nimated ? A. Nota thit a RVOUIA Bale eprand. te Ge Q._ Neither of them, as T understand you, jeve on the Lith of January, 1867; that ismy | Q.-That never amounted to anything? A= pisos Net delat a Liat tots bial Fe fan 1. AY r. No objection made? A.—L supposed ft was \ a AR A Bly made any such a mas that? A.—Oh, never} tion. I don't remember what the exact | Oh yes, sir. ‘There was work done under both of 1 dame Binive, Qt Marcts, 1808, did you have any mmated in foto, oreae tine, ieee never one at all until after this sult was insti- | capital vas at thattime, Teaid the other day | them. ‘It was to supersede the Hoxie, and there idence ot , ¢ 1 hitn with reference to hia What was the next atep inthe history PAR Ae a RE At tuted thought! wv $21,000 of $22,000, the exact cap- | was Work dono under both. ADELPHTA, Sept. 2.—The revelation a kof the Crodit Mit thier of eomed fr i Crane's own testimony Sivkt Raaton Disaai a’ Did you have a list of tl stockholders of Heal subset pet naling t y recollection. in By Mr Ma ke Not by both? Ai Not by the b Sey evelations n and by dete hat he had forgot or mistaid tt i nines a his cory ned you some tine inthe | January, Is tink It was subs same people, who built under the Hoxie. Ther ned in the sworn testimony a pany- | t ary preceding the tten itin s w it the demonstra year 14065 after Mr. Fant's sub- time in J » early in Were fiure heads They put no money In an ‘° natoty introduction. It tesend it forward until thesith of ration Was eription was rec Mareh hot pre F we ny were figure heads. TY Ueland ds tL tthe dllcbaa k nal conversation you had ie Q.-Who made out Uiat? A.—Henry 8. Crane, | lea ard by dor allot rk done underthelt contract eee fs the most damaging exhibition of official and Caubectiping for st I that toy A | ened Assistant Treasure ment; they agreed to inc apital stock By Mr, Black Was not the Credit Mobiller private villainy and corruption ever laid bare to pora' A Vir Ames was denouncing Qe Have you with you? A.—Thave, air. | fifty per ce Without fixing the specified | of America a figure head? A.—Entirely all 1. ‘Tho Vice-President of tt 1 1 VE KHOW y 1 Ates's pai Q.CWIll sou be kind enough to produce it? | amount. T believe thatit, should not exceed at | through. Itwas oll feure heads, All shana, the gaze of the worl Lh A AL AA onthe ln the Exchange H but it was not ar up to Is A~ Yeu, sir. the time being $5.750.00- that Is what the fifty | except so far asthe dividends went; they were dhe United States, the Speaker of the House of | meat the hotel. In th Was A Contest ‘The witness here produced alist of the stock- | BEF cent. Inc would make it; and that | realities. The Pacifie Railroad built the road all Representatives, the chosen ca eofagreat | course the subject of the Pacifie Railton Hyon then that he had sent ity & antout. The thing would a f the Credit Mob would by the maximum capital for ‘that time; | the way through by their own officers. i the 1 t off t ftot | take er. ahd he requested me to put Ho told me tha had sent t Wid Hot Worth a cent holders of the Credit Wer of America,which | and that agreement was made by three-fourths | Q.—Were these Gezner and Boomer contracts Party (or the second highest ofice tn the gift OFF into what he called a tock. Ttold Him that | that Mf. Fant could not pay it ‘The fist Nad reclaimed (tina Is identified by the Legislature, dated March 3, | of the stockholders. Then lerstand (hat | for different portions of the road? A.— Yes, site t ple, the chairman of almost every fm anybody took less ihan $25,0W worth, | kr athe had sent it, and afterward thi tin dee investinent: wa 8K, in the handwriting o! peti 18 subscribers to the increased stock hac ‘ vas tract got up o1 portaut committee in the House of Representa. | or? Lt 2 ihe cach at re te te Mirah haat eee Gare ine rothtau ant ht 185), In tho handwriting of SM, H. 8. Crane, | awarded to them a, bond of the Union Pacific of t contract between the Paeiad faltfonn Sue i f hed The Ivelde Ring. idorat y some matters wherein he was a Whole thing Was that | | marked Exhibit No. 1, A.W. a copy of which | Railroad for 81,000 for every ten shares of stock | pany and aman named Williams? A Yea, sh tives—all of them ate proven, by itt : : ‘ ; i ed, and he called upon me to pay the | wera friend of antes shal the trouble, | is annexed taken. ‘Then [got my stock. By referring toa | James E, Williams, one of the directors of the dence, to have been bribed. Sur Sich oT PADeRROETN LHIT ee SHG eee Hiner | erate Wien they denounced bim so Keverely they | Qe-Who gave that to you? A.—Mr, Crane. document Tae that Hutton, was placed at | Credit Mobilier of America. he | } EH orad RAE cGteTie at cher tune he Stoc " ods vad beet ng Into " was an adjourned meeting e stockholders of the hat time was that ? A, exposure, no man who has any respect for the } Paciic Kaliread, that ee bohdle edall dst ellettet Pen eras ee re neat ine! Nuit | Proof that the Subscription had been Made. | Credit Mubilier of Atmertcaheld-on the 2ith of | spring of Layee Nae Mat? A-—That waa in the honor of his country—any love for hardPtte boone ACIS Bek rath hart. pes a My, Crane apply to you of the Credit Mobilier of Ameriea, with Oakes | Q,—On thé day of the date? A.—He gave me | January, INK. by which resolution @ committee | Q.—Was that Williams contract intended to tions—will by nis vote aid to maintain these | hye a tock. abe termed it | aceth, | He wrate-to ine ge im Anes. to inquite inte che condition of Mr. bu: | that the day the first check was tendered —the | 38 appolt to procure additional subscrip= | subersede the Roomer and, Gezner contracts, oF men in place and power. If there was room Hasurete wale hele Lasitines web iva ta: to uodemeand rant’s payment of his money for his stock in the 41 May. it was given as of that date to sat. | Hy vine pe thts pmpany to an amount for another portion’ A.—Yes, sir. It was to sup. bt in this case, I for one would be In favor | subscription gave to Mr Mince arate F paids att t Crodit Movilier, And a Mr. Bardwell and iny- | isfy me tha abseription of Fant bad stockholders to have ehecobednn te taking tee |e ng “ ye eS cane cue Seen get eto maki ite and that Linust take it. up, Tmui welt found thelr statements { showing par. | made, Lusked for it, and saw that vt had been | fermmelvems fo have the ontlin of taking the ‘ Gelne fer the ee i. of giving these men the bone for it ts "r Meaiht of tim st toleg ticularly that Me. Durant had accounted forthe | made nereased capital stock # ithinthirty days. | @.—1e was to veg nem contracts twas Jmost beyond belief that our public men could he my receipt of that I tolegr money paid for b K, and inetead of holding Y You say this was received May it, 1sjoy | ILS sometime after that the reetutiun wae | be a new contenctsatd It was Lo take thent ineang Loiess l to Mr. Pant to send tt how it as they alleged, he had paid f it Am Vee air boseod authorizing an increase of Ufty per cent. | the profits In the business were to be taken and have fallen so low. But there {s no escaping the othe tine of subsecr compiaining of his failure to carry o Lire HARSH LORRY: m sebore ts Alte mgr pied Of which T have already spoken, covered by the contract of Williams conclusion that they are «i rae pateeiss DA er ton What? et either Mr Ames or Alley would aig Nov sir, ‘Theday that Mr What they Told McComb. Q.—Who got that contract up? Al—That. was \ The public has long known, Ina vague sort of . Hb, authoriding hia to subscribe | stick to me. Mr Fant sénk a bower of attorney, | Poth Mated palin 1 went tnte, the) com mit m New York Lsent to get a copy of the rec: | gid you take any stock under this resolu. | OL MBDY the parties inthe Cnion Pacific Kalle 1 e Unik lc Railroad was hares oO} r Which Was received by me in Wi gion on the t that it was sO as ee there Was ho i et to tional J ry 2 f 8 way, that the Union T Fo 1B tee OF SOC ompany on | lith day of May, 146. ipshivih not iean to wekuowledge ity and | the mm that was written off and he | Meh Chdaruary 4, Ii ANG. te 4 active men of the Credit gigant!: steal, The subsic wen oF ed A-—Mr. Durant was am of March, 1867 A yt Qt was a power to transfer thi k? Indeed, L cannot tell about that, given it by tho ery iMcient to Who was acting as 7 at that timer | —Yeo, sir. 1 uave my check and got It marke GOT eARL A teas Chak eee nites Hymas. handed to him, and you got it of 1.9. Bo yout know wien the Ineronse waa or- | dnd Str Wi getting up that contract, Mr. Ames build and equip the road. Yet, ina ion to ares wa: Treasurer, | good. and sent this check by my secretary to and when they examined 1 4 = : ; dered by giving the option to take 30 per cent QW Atnes? A.—Oakes Ames and Olt , and Henry ©. Crane t Hreasurer, New York t Mr. Gowen hore offered Exhibit No.1 in evi- | additional. Do you know whether the whole tenet hey gh A | hia, Congress passed an act allowing the com- b officer who ald the ess of the New ).—What is his name Samue ligt 1 them right # hot ack: t ft A.” | Ames, but Oakes Ames was really the man of ep to lasue fret mortgage bonds, aud compel- | York ofice, oe | ve Rinewiey ir employ fog Rue TL Eilanr | understand Tam tuaking this statement under | dence IGG eee enn & tae two. ; : Government to accept a second mort- | . By. Mr. MeMurtrie—Q.— And real Treasurer? | Delaware , Please state, ns near as you can, the point | * hen ¢ down agein to where we start- | 9 @. Was it a matter of considerable timo and ling the Governmen ' An He wun the Gey WENGE Wee Ure eee ea | eterna} eit rifled check? |, NOW you come np to the exuet tine of | of time at which your right to these 260 share Cohen come diwn acein to where wo start- | discussion? A—The Williams contract. was gage as security for the millions of bonds guar, ay of the company » business except Durant A Drawn to the rote. cr dates? AL hn i Hh “t f stock, and to the 128 additional shares of Capital was, tepresented by stock (asued to made on the day of May, 1si7, Antecd by it, Nor was this all, ‘Tens of millions | °°. ii wag permanently stationed at a veeasiers He carrigt theta ally to. Gx the partictar date within tweive | siock was de eof the Cres kuolders? Ac Nod « My recollec: | aa? vette Yiu agen, Mader | AWrTt was the of acres of the public domain were thrown in ki? A. Yes sit ay the ofiine in TAL teneernues Babette aaeyeee The Date of the Increase, ction Was tia Tiber Seay hineras, case ened cos te Alcea: || euzeled inta force a8 surrendered. as another nice bequest to this curporatior erica, which " ‘ uw street, | Q.—You were not prese A.—No, sir. Mr Q Iw articular date at which g which had been in the | that when Tmade application for this stock of | gGrwh Mant fo know who were the active pare the evidence printed below shows into whose | third door Ethinks’ |") | 8 ' | crane decined to trannfer Yevause the puwer of | thi yarticul use to recognize your right | pane of § (Fant, and for which the a Fant: there had been between 4M) and 8.0 ame pecnis iar warg uuinalithe:eanaes hands all this plunder fell; how it enriched @ Was Mr. Durant, the President, there at } attorney was not in proper form. « , annot tell you this, Tl ; raft on nt on shares Issued. Sulsequont to the per cent, | Sre Ppobis tat were thittines A. Yos, sir, he wast d.—Dld you ever hear so from Mr, Crane? first time that hg was brought to my at e money to pay,and which they crease, T looked ¢ books, the fuoting o| 1¢ Pacific Railroad, favored few, who atill continue to grow richer | ° ,—1t was on that occasion you eave him that | —Sus, sf. oT haaed ec from St Craher eral tha | eemejtimme that th Milotments uf the atock, | Eood tender, wan after | had received my pore | (nerease.T locked at the book the ti chime et | Q.—1 want to know their names. A.—The and richer as the valuable lands lying along the | le A. Yes, sir; he was in the building | was veritied by Mr. Crane in his own hand. filing | whea they increased the capital & percent, 1 | Hon of the tncreased capital; that isto say, the | was betwee 0 and 36, area. sia pe active in that wera the two Ameses, Alley, es that day. Thad an tuterview with him myself | up a proper power of attornes, and statitus th snot present at the f hen th tat | time that 6 per cent, was awarded when’ the | “tiy'y . r if Williatis, Dillon, Duff, and Bushnell, line of the road are thrown upon the market Ser aus Lee tore Ui Ra elit ee A BR aad 1 LA gr te Eg ETA |, eae FOE Brose MMe it all the atock. | bonds were elven with the Oret stock, 1 got | gy Mf; Jeremiah 8. Black Did they tell yo Q.—What portion did Durant take? A.—Dae ‘ a that day before this subseription was niade, | he would tran on 1 ¢ check As increased unite ‘ ° ot ni me when yor ed for that certificate H “ A half dozen men, by buying up a Peonsvle 1g. What did sou soy oF do that day with | and the power vf attcrney signed ty) Fast ‘ is | See Sosa ene Boe ai Sonn ener SU | of chiatoee That there was hu stock. that the | Mbt never liked Williams, Idon't know what , ation wn as the Pennsylvania | refere » this stock subscription? 4 Hat is, the pow stock Was not included, and on my ne: ee haa all eos BUG ABE. tesUed? ® | directio 00) hat, ids price . : tha | dont know all Laaid about Fant al . : Visit to New Vork T demanded that stock a ea le ag A aL BS out hia mike | by Mrs Crane? Ave Yen G.—Don't you remember? A.—He was per haps a party Fiseul Agency, and changing its rame to the In it. etter to Durant | shares of stock of the ( made, was tt the By Mr. MeMurtrie Will you. fix that date? Ly Mr. Gowen That ne H i was given as area Cr Mobilier of ot control of the | in wi be done, at my ins | ca was transferred to me was allow A Hd not Bx it. Some little time between | son for not giving the , Noonipeon | gov, You not remember the litigation im Union Pacitie Railr: ade millions upon | stance, say Y instance of getting | ney was dated the anh {the decliration of ‘this dividend or | the contrary, they said Peould have my stock it | NeW York and Durant tiling @ bill to preven’ i aollke ing and equipping It. | the subscription were want by Mr. Fant, returned to me by Mr. Fant, at Alor Meter tat cane} Thad any legal right to it them Oey ISHED I ats hat. ibeiion 1 dollars az and equips subscriptions and money and by me carried to New York 1 ed before | wen ty Mr. BI. Did they not subsequent to that, ‘ +4 aren They still control it, and, as Mr, McComb says | dov relse T spoke to Mr. Crane, « QWHAU ate Was thats A. That was sub A wut cognizant of the ucteas hind | aftun the atsyute wiobeetelp rou tneumols stock 4 ene OEr ember Durant w, the stockholders outside the Credit Mo- ir on ‘ad joiniy sequent to the 2th of May; about the wth of | ty Mr e-bid they hav ade cand Le \ "Sia" | had been taken up after this bill had been tiled? | . , : ; N harae ie st jon of Mr. Fant. May, 1 presume, ‘The test ‘presentation was | men to tal was it conaitered apeividege | givento me by Mr. Crane: who was still Asels- | And didn't they give that ae the reason? A | ae seourtitn inten eee! b Amerlea “have not ne i mate onthe 2d of May. Iwas received by to get the ent additional at pare A.— The | tant Treasurer, but Mr. Durant was not ‘They said the whole of the stock had been sold | Mr MeMurtrie—Did he not obtain an Injuto= r n cont of dividend 0 history of A Drat. in Wilitington on the “iat. The power of att Ideal had al Was this, they had not zoe | President, Anew party, Uthink, w or disposed of. That wae not at the begiining, | Wyn te stop ity A-—L think he did. t which {Is the ans of giving hany shares? A.—€25,000 worth | ney from Mr. Fant arrived on t st.aud Mr. | the bonds out on the market for sale, and en. as near as Lean recollect, Lam not posi- | hutas the thing crawled along, and they drew Mr. Biack—-What was his objection as ex- res, Mr. Crane went to Mr, | Edgar went on the might train aud 4 ed Jas adecen Tot w ve th about that nother counsel and other issues were brought | pressed by himself? A.—The objection that he t re to the public is somewhat Pi ournue meus. Bathe mcenihmotihass That enoevall hg enact aa W long after you g ur dividend a up. . nad in both was to John B, Alley, Hazard, ; 1 that Henry 8. MeComb, w ita vito Ge bhok ite back wit iaeney | alenates nehse t k and Pacific b On the diy Haw MaCaub bachinb a Cavmerarss the men that were managing it. ecuiraine Gbus i - 1 enee) | that went t ay hoMr Ail rerity A t theme. Thew in the habit of NOU ere GRE OE ARE GBI] Q.-That there must he somebody managing ha in the Supreme Court 4 mid ob ba i A ‘ mal Phat ‘ 7 pase over whatever [ get tomy cons | (Qi, Vere ere one of the original: c: the Credit Mobilier of America; that he should i nia against the Credit M eh i ithen went ATCAIe 1 age re etary, Mr. Edgar. ‘That ts, when {| ofthe Credit Mobi eee Ae have contd or that would be under ; P yee t Ut A \ AY r tenes from anywhere, Lhand |! wits ti orn Hy eaoea | his controls he should have coufl- a aubas was ter than th fi i (OF y 1} the pr entries inmy | E ah panies Spnear to the | dence in is integrity and fair dealing. i f purest iee a HISAR IE xnctly. [wason ty way t did t u 1 found nurane Breatdent ott Q.-Who were sing parties? Was 4 ! whit RUE ; etrom any | Mountains, 0 ; v ware tt st ! Fan's rant eaident | Durant im i or note A-—No air Dillon was wa t nipula {bot ney auld Ne Certidoatos Bienea, cy r . nit hack t j | President. and Jobin. Alley, Rowland, Hazards c e Credit M er, a having , wat 1 theta fice ¢ ea ‘ 0.—A par f percent.was ale | New York t ‘ Pane) pence y : biti ueand Alley were the Executive Committee gana A 7 made pile e out and rd ped with the K and saw ve SR ARIS S afew d a week or tw BOG ie gta EL EEF Rae ce ; Q. They had quarrelied with Durant? A. ae Buk F a 1 ‘ " 1 ray ; tht reeks, aay | Ce Dat ycar wast 4 nt 1 | They had drawn in Durant at that time without he? . ney te wiedy w t v ty yer ve ft ., » “ 1 his Knowle pt) 4 Inv Kew divid y ed to believe that the ania Fiseat | i at he sh ; ¢ Ar. Dura stain d ».-Fromn the time. you got your increased Q.— Ile was still Vice-President and acting Pree hadt 1 earned. bu “ied a hi } H ey, which had t was a i i t 1 fonged to him. He then ¢ s ov a N Brana te y B Railroad bonds? A . * : sident of the Pacific Railroad? A.~ He was Vicee OWE t hod \.- Tha Yoo, sir; it Was wi/hin. thirty days of that t to phe Cr billerof America | President, but not acting President peribod f $5 w 1 no carisvate of sick ‘ ' Me t Sci ean: within wale Ay ey disputed nd had Fhe same right; that the offices ‘2 eranidene’ t f ‘ { rot dg i tt is fot r nF ) 1 ‘J Aner Ne 4 he? : . a t t Hisputed were to be in New York: that I, on Oct, 7, Ist, a 4! aa Pre pace iV A.—No, sit, iver x r f An Me HO ce \ is ror 1 1 yourrighty A. Yes, sir. ‘That [have sald, and Mectiined to e1cbd ‘ f i Aries was put in President, pro tem, H. G. ¥ t fou b ; Q.=He could give you bo ce ate tock ‘ 1 was the beginning. They did not ite | subscribed 1, f that stock, which was Q.—'Then at that. point Mr. Durant was not 2 A. A r. He did not ' aay ce sere eat t t. They or st said to me they w to be this concern when it was organized. od terms with Messrs. Ames and with Dill of V gion, D.C. He gave his draft « pted it as cash. Mr. | of wansters He d shuply to receipt, allotted te iG rout at i "1 Q=Who else subscribed? A. Thomas C. | End Alley? A.-He was on good terme. wite a t t rer of the npany in Vas cash certificates of st re signed r 4 Lette w witness. durant sub WM worth of the stocks | Dillon, ar as I know, he was on good te 1 to the tre Hee Un pany In e06 jo DRE neideate OF " j feineccencsilic tonkes A eee bn es n to witness.) Brent aa it cubscrived gionies, worth | Dillon. So fai ae T know, he was on good terme pa ut Fant fated i not Mr. Fanté A Ha ne : fe rahe and: wat for Fant Was notincluded; t did not know Crane { the stock, and Charles A. Lambert to $100.00 |" Q” “Was he with the Ameses? A.—He w th ft, and w the load on MeComb ry. and i 1 aoe RP aa. afte cheer oe ees | _.O:—Do you reco) ter? A.—I do | Worth of the stock. That was the beginning. good terms with the Ameren. Alley and Hazard Mr} w there was ® big thing in it scription hook at, the eae Waa ay Net ki | Far still neld. € te eer ey POF | recognize It. Tt is tn th writing of Mr. | .,0.-That subscrip Hae pee given eben (Aa | were the controling: spirits; they were the phy de abandsh ay did that io anys dere PAA ih nh Tame back 1 asked Grane ouautar. 1n Oe i as then the Credi ‘ Pees & a , pare cred t “ " Teh this ihereaae Of Featac and Cae | eller ae cereale en , majority of the Executive nittee, pad be A Pe . Qo MP. Crane k mae i y Exhibit No. 2. certain letter marked Ex- obiller RIOR WAR SORNSG, HIGDAaLOry Were the Ameses on good terms with hi t ‘ 1 was . ow much ad you before? AI | yes, sir, He would take iy ‘ itany | that T ce Hee qrhen 1 was told there | pipit No. A.W. Na which letter isdated Apri | to changing tt from the Pennsylvania Fiscal | 4SNOy very’ they were tot thinking kingly ot culty at the time about an imperfect power ¢ tha BD Bao ares. ination at all ra Obie Mand tnt Tay feet tg | bis ISOs. at New York, and is addressed to M.S. | A ney, by its purchase by the parties who sub- him, rected the President was out West and there Dales tokn Hee Daag obs Q.-You ar " { i upto that time. | was hold Witness resuming This letter isin the hand | subscription that 1 hy Aatockholder in the | Ne Rawer in the Credit Mobilicr at that time was no certificates signed. Before the Presl- Nee air auhensieann meana? Ac T have enough t Er devarenoreueie aia i writing of Mr. Crane, why Is Assistant Treasurer | Credit Mobitier of America. That dated my au ‘O.—Then these three gentlemen gor up thi 4 nown to be such ; a ui inotdod the Credit, Mobille ‘America, ang was |S 01 eae t e pot u Gent returned he hed been, depoved -by: another hever saw tt and never heard of it. | everybody else that wanted. to kriow the truch ‘The Firat Discovery. tant tome by mall, Ldo notrecolleet thedeis, | Q--What business was the Credit Mobitie of | Wiliams contr Rte trey Pa aatne 8 faction headed by Ames, and the stock had not take an ive part fo hte Q.—You declined to leave the check unless QO. Upto that un unr 1 never been How did he come to write to you upon the | Amertea to do’ A.-The Credit Mobilier charter | ju transferred te the Credit Mobiller at evans, become so valuable that they determined to iputathong. Ph Se ea eeene vate all tly Awotthe stock ¢ AW Yes, slr. ai questioned ? Ac“ Never in the world subject? Ac-I bad asked him to refresh his | Was bought by the Union Pacite Railroad, or by | yy Williams is yeat McComb out of his stoc fe demanded aniputatton: 6 whole thing Was orgai 2. Why did you decline to leave the check ? |G. Alter this allotment hind nade, then | recollection in re ce to certain facts inthis | the parties that organized it in New York ras like on ' pratt MeComb out of bis stook. He demanded | lzed by Thomas Durant, Cornellua Hushnell. aad | 4 Vaimply because Mr. Alley bud tradnec you called upon them #_A.—Ye Case, he betni t ry with whom the wile especially for the purpose af building the Pacith: | hy Tit theo Tee time and again, but the Ames faction woul: yse © were the first subscribers to the | Durant, aud proclaimed him # thief, and a] Q.— And then you discovered that the thon hid tailroad, ‘The plan was that they should build Ostia : OAS Cena ; z ay Pacific Railroad, i ) he ’ the railroad ana be sharers in the profits, and Y.— It was to transfer to the Credit Mobilier of not let Lin have it. He then threatened to bring ound oda fraud. and t he had stolen | shares was not included in’ the allotu Atthe ti ile au iu the pr y Aud be T America, and it was to take previous cont suit, ‘This made them tremble and promise falr Object of the Mobilier. FRO Sesates ond UAE noting Whe sete, 2 Was BT toy rin the allotment to Mr. } ui atated your ¢ Haint to tb He ROR nereond) Mab siity. aid HOneR 8 cor TA = AIL the NaS ee Oe ee ttle disposed to believe there was some troth | A.—Yes,' sir, exactly, Then it was [ found | Credit Mobilierof America tha’ thot stead of al, ot being ) e Boome e Ge: but never brought them to terms, ‘They ¢ nof the Pacific Railroad. | init. ‘They proclaimed {tao freely and fully | | about that tine that they had verbally been allowed your dues? A—I hi with | th at that time capable for # board of di- ey ey vine Boomer and the Gosner com 4 to him that it had been t { Amerioa was a cory afraid to leave it, really, or I 1 th hot officially rt t Durant rectors to make a contract with themselves, but | PACKS Qh. Ves, sir. f his 200 shares and agreat deal more to eed for th f eit in aruinute but for those sturies Kom to Mr. Ame party was i, Wash. | Qo At the time thisletter was written had you | (hey could make it through a nt Co ANHETACLL Re HRA ect NiLe mete Oy SEW Pepa eaiats + Conieeae 3 il 4 Railr . Baty ; y 1 bud hy knowledge of your nen to ins | thu Ving hit all k there was in the | made this statement about never having gota | tm arate Tent 18 famenane that Soaine eo Yes, sir, ! i tain members ¢ ongress right, a s sir; its name was cl by the instr duce you to form any such opinion? 4 ‘ ir i ir. Br New ¥ dividend on that stoc Yes, sir; and that pe stoc! he Cred lobilie of America by y - bold hi at he had been benefited thereby and | Mentality of Ge rain and bought | ing bat what L heard) Mr, ANley and Mir, At hares, | think ; Gen. got f Twas entitled ty that stock, and had’ asked to | YiTtue of that position received all the profits |... The Work ef Oakes An FtRS Bs at roportion of the loss, “This | BY the Facile Ratirond by the Cre M rof ay of him, in denouncing Mr, bh urent as having | t ce to Mr. Oakes Ames ite t have him refresh his recollection as to what was | Made in the building of the Pacifle Railroad. oni tM Noy we have got down to the us BEOP Ameriva for the pu C working in what was | perverted the assets to hisown individual use Q. low was \ on the books, and everything at to give It The Hoxie Contract { RAV AHR CARETLIR AG eee the explanation seems only to have increased Mc- | called the Inside King, and being ed of re- | and the stock that he had got he had never paid | no more t his or to me in writing. and that was th betance of ays Le N carenully at an all that you t » determination to force them to settle | spensibility—cover individual responsibility to | for, It was openly enof by | was paid back age no pa that Interview, My reoollection is, it seems to Q.—At the time your subscription was made ROE Ml this Oakes Ames contract of ; zs doit under an incorporated form The idea ct | Mr. Alley. [had hi nder | more than that me, Pwrote to him about it in Detober, Ist, Was Lhis Hoale contract in ex- | October, 17—the Oakes Ames contract—how It with 1 He had adroitly drawn two letters | this was with those Who Went into ithott Mr. Duran’ nag Q.- ‘Then it was after that allot Q.—That letter was received in the month of | Hstence? A. Yes, +1 Was got up, What Its object was, why it was gots @ud several verbal statements from Oakes Au ur personal f nalbility lar, and ut they got h w a decid arly deflned Avril, bea’ A.—-Lthink it was recetved by mail Q.- What became of the Hoxie contract? ten up, and what was done under it? A.—Lought explaining how he had distributed Q.—That was their idea? A.—Yes, sir; that was | gone ‘ ASS slit away, imine Hseuent to the tine of its belng written sume | ~!t was transferred to the Credit Mobile to know ag al about that, for L was one of Fist ineeps Tan uare? erie it, and no wh ad Q i leftthe office and went the Qe] ther t rl time Ame rien committee that | ware ‘i ; a ¢ prominent members o Natal Aira: pa Palen ey eds, hy Sanh thet Ge Did i A 3 r Rlevidance: marced Hehik Q.—Had any work bee under the Hoxte 4 were on ve committee that pr aud } te > use this informuat his. inte re in t WaNCRR nthe rranet dorioers Peehatine | tt i ganic poe eeeantgawal ie Mae ities nee marked Exhibit | oohtract at that tine? A, Yes, sit prepared the Oakes Ames contract a committee to bru An aud his facti wh re LA I 1 home before I wenton ornot, LY] ei, fromthe Park Honk, The man who we Q. r the re pt of this letter, in the Do you remeniber to what extent Al Wont ¥e t BION F'ack Kailroa ® # the company, to terms. | re A through: be : 0 There Ww i left undone? A DEERE MBA eat lendered: the: SANGO init Cenne coTLeeA TRoant r ssa Bb n expended ; and there were considera \ A.—T have the original memoe A in 109%, he fled bia Di Jn | & M of Au ‘ Nothing lef 1 it Wilted Bates nd bent vende A Ob, tha ale ble profits due to the Hoxie contract, which were | Tanda in the hand of the man who nia with F thee Court of Q— Did Mi. m ny or 0.--‘There wa ie to a vOut taay Ae 2 X bd y Mt ansthing to show that date? | tansferred’to the Credit Mobilier of America my figures Mlcd in, which the records will prove 1 : rt of Penn " f ‘ ,Memorandiiy Ge d there withing to d r wt : ; y ; ‘ yt hg Q.- Was it transferred—the Whole thing from | are the fgures at which prices Were awarded ‘ ; e : \ 1 the Qt y for the are a WILT vt ‘ Q.—Was the Credit M rr Jin'the for Met applied for an ex rtot Luncd f itly tu 9 , ; rant i H my cert ates a aay Sarge Ofte if they had been | neketiatlon Fate Bie durant had ‘been ¢ ny in the case 1 Nor Q ' ed he made « stock. I w inderstin Q.—They refused to gly to y hay the witness he date rs Just exactly; anc sving spirit we Union Pacific nad Con he B oh8 Oe Ae el He wr P something | w | away with st Pte tith soknowled,orl nd tel Senay Sanat they built the road to the hundredth meridi; pany from its organization until | 4 a Was appointed, and the t f] what it was, After | Thad r butt had tt ie A to.g Whantdiarcuts hava youat 4 tiles west of Omaha Isto say, he furnished tho bralns ¢ Mot as thus far been taken, Dy the t t Koand | t r i 4 to Monday, June 19, 1) + Renn eane Q.-When did Oake cern was de f bickering 1 ® nee this test ne Na be a “ at ls or] - y r family? A.—8 a uae) t hai ‘ ve eee MEA id and Alley—these three tween the part ad t enue ty wer In % t ‘ ent to Bostun, and was gone a “hig evan me ' that Hat out? A.—That was | the same time you did No, sir; they came | the Credit Mot America and Durant and 4 and I hasten to lay it Tee | Qi 8 ing ' Diack, Mr, Janes & “ 4 his fiends, 1pe election for the directors of de ' " 1 a Vv came as ae 6 of renders, vk t Se he Hirat Di@enity; 1 Samuel mpson for come aes HH ward? A.—In 1805 oF | tigereuit § Muck ot mers eo ches The 4 Q ma din that condition |! Anh and LA mplainant e witness produced a ry of the Have youg: he Ho: t anne hese people had conceived—that ts to " MeOomh ve. The Oredt Motniter’ of prefer to ave th k palsed whout iw this ot Wh The M Drati Not Produced, A.W. and says it sa copy of the list of | 4 tsked yo Oakes Ames, Jobn B. | and the Durant factlon they had’ conceived A Sidney Dillon, John B.A Rowland ave given y 4 Bw inner HOt RO f Examination of Henry 8. McComb resume stockholders, as the list appears on the books of | Ames, and John T. Alley came in, A. They | the a of putting Durant out of the diroc G.I ( les M. Grixkey, Oliver W, Bi opy ha cant Q r ¢ ays dtu hink | Mp Gowan states that on Friday attenaun, | te company, Itis in the handwriting of Mr, | came in in the fall of IN, think, —Tthought Y | management of the Union Pace lett ac beie y 4 he plaintif's ¢ ; L ‘Y | probably ix o'clock, he notified Mr bles | Lam, who Was sue rto Mr. Crane, who was | had the date exactly. [havea paper, but es | pany and Credit’ Mobilier y had gone to Thonn k I 1 Jr, Oakes Ames, | ne cone, Cals font thers. onc Attra H fore the esaniner the | Assistant ‘reasurer of the Credit Mobilicr of | Hot ive the date on it hinvand got his proay r they did it or Charles Hi, N nm, Thomas C, Durant, James Mf. | 4 xt meeting any book wore when 1 wae bt the ft for ‘ue H. § MeComb by | America, Tt was furnished to me about the Q. Who was President of it from 1864 to 18657 | not I don't know- assurig r 8, Wallbund, Benedict Binware Ton Due anal Ue Amorica containing. & oe Minot ett eraber The Peete | di. Rant on the March, 1s Une of the bringing of this suit, 1 think, or | AmFrom 1364 to Isé6, or early in 1s07, it was | to make no change in the Poa ae rie B ; eee { eat Mb AF ABD eer F Batt faunoe ceinembe the facts, in! MoMnrtrige’ Gide Tile note unc | afterward-—certainly some time after the date | Durant ‘ ; he therefore didn't come yar premne Court, tn Equity, East a an ; vt was th of er or the following | «ts Metturtrig: time Phat hota untll | OF kebruury J. He was the main manager, was he not? A si ern Distrivt, January Term, 1869, No.9. In pur- | t ee thie teanke Roce wien | came back again ; achont. 1 bave not Tyee eased with Tate, Gowen—Afotfer in evidence Exnibit No. a, | Yes, sity he was President 5 alee they Closed Dare suance of this appointment, the ex in 2 wade on Uhh ¥ of | Noveniber of IMM? Ace That te atae fener OF | session, nor ds it in the hands of my clionte so | A: Ne ¥.. ‘Then the company was then engaged—the | y Sy MHere was | “PRE the abovaanantiened casa Henle is ; M toi, by He 8. MeComb vn account of H. | and then [think Mr.dohn L. King of Springfe farus Lean ascertain ‘The witness being shown another list says Credit Mobtlier of America was engaged in th Rursdihionthar an Ae t yori da is] G. Fant was with me, I had promised fli. lee steal eee yreat ie: tho draft for $25,000. This Is another list of stockholders, dated { Construction of the Vacifle Railroad under the | iated ae YT penne nore offi 1 th Third street, in the city of The Bary, Gd kore atodk iA the Dhaai Mable: ee ane A. iy Mr. MeComb—To the best of my knowl | December, 17, The same year, written by Mr, | Hoxte contract until that time? (nul that OY AsaureEG Me so that tga y proxy Philadelphia, on Monday, the 12th day of June es Home stock in theCredit Mobilter of Amorica, | Ajz Hy Mt, McCamily Ta the buat enon | iam, in which Mr, Oakes Atnes's name as Trus. | Wasehanged, ‘There had been a contract. mada bo aiadeln bis and Ouat 1871, where he was attended by James B.C jantion floor, giving With If Its averetioe 7 he ground | Teome who are defendants in. this case, wie Hoes not appear, and the stock appears as | by Mr. Durant, which these peo eat with that pury At the ; oy xen fOW eR tt whe Q.—Of these 250 shares? ACCA the present managers of the Crédit’ Mobilier of res less than in the February preceding Hered to a inun by the name 1 rae ta Aerator and Samuel G. Thompson, Esqs. for coms ee cer thom. T had promised him a portion ae ange | America, mony Q.-When was that list furnished 2 A,—Ltwas | the Gezner contract serait eos ra Plainant, Richard McMurtrie for defendants. | of subseripuion stock, expecting to get the original stock with | @e-When did you last see the draft, and in | furnished within a few in Se Ha li The Gezner Contract taenk and: ep Henry 8. McComb, being called and duly sworn, | _.Q.—-1t was ca the accretions which this subscription woutd | MB | powasite An Thave not sent OU ER PAPAL SANE KOLUE | 0. can yout any ante for thal? AT Ve Comtuittee of Ny ‘ "Tosir, Tk was ca have carr and T delivered out of my own | the dr nee the day f signed it, on the Ks 1" 4 Nara tn nt at was niade beww n , t 1. to wh all the Roatlfied as fellows ‘ription for 200 shares," It Wes aade ie thee stock what Lagrerd to give Mr. King, expecting | Mthe nition of thy Credit Mubitier mt At i ; sr ot rok | Til Uthen'there wasacontrartmaden Sail si ‘ Vestimony of Henry 8. McComb, y S| these shares would come to me. the Gd day ve Maroh, Lek ened 10 ae the *nrevicus there worn | ara tne #8 contract mad ine ein sin the Railway i (fiivaat wanes Av What was said about presenting the draft Mr. MeMurtiro— Did you tix the date of this ine | sk) the day that Grane wrote it © 1 thd summer of 16 called the Geaner ¢ vi Things had got Hi reseireet nation ty Mr. ower) —Q.—You v 1 terview? ATdon't recollect the date of the YI never has boon tendered? AyL have He Hin avidenca and: qnarkad(axnili: | Aeeneealk V pretty high pasa 3 i rape inl p Helawarey A 1 aft that you }: ean Interview. Tf have bee like y L ave been | Never seen the Arash son ; Aare No. 4,4. W.N Q. Wie that contract made with the Union | Re the ater | 4 Are @ atock! nthe ¢ ation wnythin be away all the weck, and only came home on Si ¥-Do you kuow In whose possession It wos Pavitle ad, or What was Dus | 0 nese Hore ay igs Italmost resulter Knuwn as the Crodit Mobilior of Aimorien eon Anything aa ‘ tts i doy nth, weal aee ply came home on Bat- | ater it had been returned from. itichmond Onken Ameon's Shares, Pablo Kallrond, oF what ae NT fecal us lows. Pthink right at this time Durant had. 4 meh ale are ere UM | freshing my recoller Docn called | den Lundersiood from th tant Treasurer, | Q.—Do you remember the date when Oakes | the Union Pacifle Railroad Company and lt ! lauis Mttenipted to throw him G.-Y ave been for several years? A,—Ye tort (i lat be bad | non to-day, ‘The thin eee called | Mp, Crane, that it was returned to. him by Mt 6 Was Fe} on the books of the come | sident of the Credit Mubilier of Atmore th at of t ' st about then in the spring ‘ bir b Mr f j sand imu mili ait tivo wears ad, | Pantunpald. Mr. Crane called upon ime to pay it ft M) shares Of atock as | made it as ho alwave aller toe tienarica: Ho | and auminer tine, the things were preity om [ | oat Di You remenber when sinalaub- | the regular bank Nie Creole keto nea hat ae x) ‘The Interview wi ch you t ad th Mr. L think the fret day I evor recole | tillecor Aner ‘ r vely high, it assure y So it went on cription was tad t Tdon't Hoa’ Rant tials A ath 0 ‘a vane, the Assist rousurer, In reference to | lect seeing It was & in 1887. Poannot fix the Pra Mai A sinaraaiia chi xio | and wenton. “He had a and it was with Fecollect the exact kaown | Palen ih coheed ade ne 1B 8 td Ap tock was Ine 1, taking th k was in the latter part of May, | dato, because had io teason of tutivem tar | eat eet is bapa the hundeeaeh | feat difticuity that some or” hisftelonds, held Qetinitely by referring Q.— What was the object of that? A 1 tr, Gow When was that increase made? | bao? A as I'then knew to fix tho partloular date, be- | meridian,” Wwaa beyond tig reg) ) Durant quiet. He felt that he had been b Where was t mee A that T bad Ant muon titi A Merely | Aw f mr t when that | ase Wid Q.-Your rthat? A. Yes, sir cause the transaction did not occur to me at toe Q.-Then it did not interf he Hoxie | frayed, abused, misused, and slandered by these principal office in name piwuya Lesh In | give. poe irate Peet ae a ane Fahould | ma have been two Inere mad D. Mr. Mid rviow was about the 2istor | time T saw his name as trustes, My right to | contract) Ac Nog air, ft tway | men Alley, Williams, and their cohorts, There J Phlladetpila, ‘The principal act was in | give thelr own draft, and that her micht hare | (ote, en three inere Hho drat appor | zd’ A. The 2d; some few days after, Mine | this atock had not been disputed, and-of course | Alaa’ and oan ont CMract 48 | was nothing to be dono; Wheso contracts were ’ ow York. futice that the dratt was conti so Cae ene | Honment of the tredit Mobilive wan a mill Was the last day of May or the trstuf June, | there was nothing on my mind to make me feel | bilier Company's manase werklag along 4 Q— The books were kept in New York? A finances were at all out of sorts he could make | the latter p tot M rene a cou say was in | Within a fow day uneasy, 1 bad no need to inquire Into it, be Q.—'This Geaner con tid not relate to any Q.- These? What do you mean? A.—T mean } Tile books were kept there and the busines | it wore at all OUE | ho could utter of May, 1s, are you able to re. 7 Q.—Tecause between this letter and the power | cause l did hot think it affected. me ln any wa Morte Taeie GOntmant: Lk aks Tae euily to say the Boomer aud Gezner contracts were ; t is not atritie to be passed by t f y H din, | Was dono there them aond j Y | rember now of what the stock consisted of | of attorney that had passed, this draft had g at all the road beyond the hundredth meridian ? A working alon is ‘ (~The officers stayed there? A.— PM Gmihe vijoot was to give bim action that Hust, ‘I'do uur reuouivors it was under twn 1 A. Val is tus secoud iovter: dhe te cee | ie Naty say, the rat time, you Gest naw bis | tink a0 ‘ SIAN He AAO RARE eee i u . jer twa at Is the secoad loiter, the one prepared | Lame avpowing your rigubad uot bevu dis- Q.-Atall events that contract was not exe- Continucad on Second Page, :