The evening world. Newspaper, October 6, 1913, Page 3

| MCAL -=4 “1 Believe Orderly People in Orderly Places May Decide for Themselves When They Shall Eat and What Time They Shall Go to Bed.” “The City Is a Pretty Good Place to Grow Up in,” Mr. Mitchel Answered. “The Country Boy Has Certain Advantages, of Course; but, After All, He Has to Come to the City to Make a Dent.” —From interview with John Purroy Mitchel. i “I Think New York as a City Has Been Cruelly im Maligned. I Believe in the Greatest Measure, of Personal Liberty for its Citizens Which Is‘ —” With Proper Enforcement of the! aw.” i “As to Woman Suffrage I Do Not Believe in Fol-| lowing a Bell-Wether in Anything. I Have; No Sympathy With It. I Don’t Believe in| Bell-Wethers.” —From interview with Edward E. McCall. By Nixola Greeley-Smith. \ Mr. and Mrs. Knickerbocker, I am quite eure you wish to meet your | feture Mayor, even though none of us knows yet whether he is to be Mr. | John Purroy Mitchel or Mr. Edward E. McCall. | * So to be on the eafe side of the | election returns, here they both are! | Mr. John Purroy Mitchel (my candi- date), Mr. Edward E. McCall (your | candidate, perhaps.) Having met| and talked with them both, I am quite sure that whoever is elected we shall have @ very interesting man in the City Hall for the next! four years. | Mr. John Purroy Mitchel is tall, lean as @ lance, keen as a rapier. His features as well as his thoughts are sharpened toa fine edge. But he has a Celtic smile that plays about the blade-like fineness of his face Mike sunlight upon a sword. Mr. Edward EB. McCall is olde slower of speech, but with a in his blue eye which indicates that his deliberateness {8 @ part of his Policy, not of his nature. Having asked both Mr, Mitchel and Mr. McCall to answer a@ lot of Questions which should be interesting to the men and women of New York I know of no better way in which to Indicate the widely different natures ‘of the two men than to eny that each follows the method of hia favorite recreation in tackling @ problem, Mr. Mitchel has been for yeare a member of the Fencers’ Club of New York, and he slashes right into @ subject with a careless contempt for the usual candidate's guard of reserve. This may be, of course, because his guard is @o perfect that he seems a regular Cyrano de Bergerac. But I don't think ao, He appears to be a man who scorns the feints and parries of political policy. Judge McCall, as everybody knows, is a golfer, and he addressed my every Question as cautiously as if it ware @ golf dail, It seemed almost as though he built a little tee for it and then knowing that it {* very bad form to make preliminary passer, he would ponder a long time before driving off. And once in @ while he would alice, driving far to the right of the subject, He aliced ‘ particularly on the question of woman auffrage. But then Mr. Mitchel did too. In fact after asking both candidates how they fecl about “votes for women" I have come to the conclusion that the Colossus at Rhodes wan just a statue of | ‘a candidate for the Mayoralty straddling the suffrage question D MITCHEL NOT TOO YOUNG TO BE MAYOR, Some people think that Mr. Mitchel, who ts under thirty-five years old, 1s one of the reasons why J am for him. ould have a Mayor. Those of us who j are under forty know that wisdom doesn’t have to be fongilized to be real, But then, of course, Mr. McCall ie no fossil, In manner he ts delightfully | Aifferent from any Tammany candidate I have ever met. He meets and treats @ woman on her merits as a human being. Now Mayor Gaynor couldn't or * ¢ wouldw't €o that When a woman sought an interview with him he muffle! his mind, If she @eked him an Intelligent question about some municipal policy or problem he would return a gallant answer about the beauty oftsrown | eyes—or sometimen It wax blue or ray eyen—that waved her disconcertingly | pack to the harem. And when a woman Interviewed Richard Croker, he, too, would hide hix real thoughts hehind gallant platitudes, Rut Mr. McCall mects you man to man—or at any rate, mind to mind, And so you lke him very much ‘and wish he were your candidate, instead of Tammany’s. My interview with Mr. Mitchel started in an automobile which was to take him, nis secretery, Mr, Cruger; his personal campaign manager, Mr. Bell; Mr, | Johnstone and myself uptown at the end of the Collector's day at the Custom House. ‘The interview etarted on time, but the rented automobile did not no aooner in it and Mr, Mitchel turaing to me had sald: “I'm rei than the car stood on Its hind legs and refused to move a single ste; no more be swery and could 1 from Ite opinion than {f ‘t had been a Tammany wardman| with Instructions to elect MeCall Me. Mitehel ceethed and siaaled for a while and called the balky automobile a “Tammany tin tub.” Mr. Bell eald afterward that wasn't anything to what | the Collector would have aald if I hadn't been there—and then finally another | car came and we climbed out of the “Tammany tin tub’ and into a nice, smooth, easy running Fusion taxteab, ‘Again Mr, Mitchel folded his arms and sald: “Fir: aim I asked: “Mayor Kline has just announced that in his opinion every citizen bas « ‘ right to go to bed when he pleases, What do you think about it? “Zt'p @ privilege I have always exercised myself,” Mr. Bttohel an- swered with a quick smile.. “Z believe orderly people in orderly places ) may de left to decide for themeclves when they hall eat and at what time they shall go to bed. I think we can have law-enforcement and decency without puritanism and withont a curfew." { “Ig New York good or bad in comparison with other cities of ite wize, tn your opinion?” “f don’t belleve in comparing the virtue of cittes," replied Mr, Mitehel, “It doesn't get anywhere, 1 dc not belleve that puritaniam and virtue are syn- 5 onymous terme, But T think that however good New York may be there ts always a chance to make 1t better, And if I be elected Mayor I shall try to| { make it better. | “I remember having @ conversation with you aome years ago when you were President of the Board of Aldermen, in which you outlined @ plan for making * Central Park more of a recreation centre for children of the poor. If you be elected do you intend to put this plan into effect?” if “Last epring I made @ suggestion to the meeting of probation officers to the 4 effect that the city would be greatly benefited by better co-ordination among the correctional, recreational and educational departments,” Mr. Mitchel anid. But don't ask me to resurrect the detalls of that plan now. As to Central Park | there seeme to be such @ strong feeling of opposition in the community to changes in ¢t that I would not undertake to run counter to that feeling. The) ’ acdpe of the original suggestion wan greatly exaggerated. The plan merely pro- vided for putting in yw wading pools for the little children of the poor where ft could be done without interfering with the beauty of the landscape. But, as 1 paid, there is euch a strong feeling against altering Central Park that I have reached the conclusion that it eight be Setter te undertake euch experiments 1G Geowhere.” { ‘$s te @enenallz anid, Ms. Mitehel, that the bay troughs up in tho countez And taking careful ~ e Js Abhorrent to Me. New has a better chance of success than his city cousin, it?" born and brought up in New York.) he flashed me another of those Celtic smili all, he has to come to the city to make a dent.” DOESN’T PRETEND TO BE THE WISEST MAN. replied. “They've done wonders. In my) work on the Board of Estimate I was | brought in contact constantly with such women as Mrs. Draper, who is inte ested in the Metropolitan Hospital, and Mrs, Borden Harriman, whose magnifi- vent efforts were responsible for the city appropriation for milk stations. It’ of the o} home and peeling the potatoe: anked, “Do you believe in Votes for Women?” opposed to it.” women want the vote, and want it enough, it will happen. coming, bearing on the social evil,” I suggested. of the #octal evil, it 1 would be wiser than any man t up the streets. T! of the residential and the thickly populated reached the subway station where I wanted to ‘a preparation for politicats IN THE LAIR OF THE TAMMANY TIGER. your first thonght is that w election, there is no dou! from @ Democratic headquarters. tiger is there, he gives you his paw w he te a dear, persecuted, pussy kern in the middle this year—telle you thet the Judge cause you ha’ ‘What can women do for the city of Ne THE EVENING WORLD, MONDAY, OCTOBER 6, 191! Copyrt Gn- bub, asizes © Tie remaries with, & thump of hin! foot. ain forcement Puritanism and even a can be that. make It better, What do you think about | ‘Or. Mitchel ta, of couree, his own best argument for the city boy; he was | ‘ef replied. e city la @ pretty good place to grow up in,” Mr. Mitchel answered. Then that seem to blend good humor and advantages, of course; but, after “Chicago pays for New York?" Phistication, ‘The country boy has c “What can women do for the city, Mr. Mitchel?” “You should ask me what women have done for the city,” Mr. Mitchel & relief to hear you say th: Tammany candidates are so universally pinton that women can do their best work for the city by staying at 1 remarked, “Of course the Tammany candidate thinks\women should stay at | home and keep out of politics,” Mr. Mitchel answered, ‘because he real- | when women do take part in government we ara liable to have ities.” @ were, right at the door of the suffrage question. that ft wi “T hav plied not | There So of course T| ‘T have never been enthusiastically for woman suffrage; I have never been (So Mr, Mitchel crossed the saddle of safety.) “When enough Undoubtedly it i he added, “A great many women think that. woman suffrage will have an important fesue with an impatient shrug. ‘asked me what in my opinion is the nitimate solution if 1 may say #0, for it I could answer the men that Mr. Mitchel met thi “go many people ha a very foolish question, hat has ever lived, than ALL er lived, and even a candidate doesn't have to be that. . think we made a good bexinning in the matter of the social evil," he pause, ‘when in the summer of 1919 wo succeeded in cleaning next atep, in my opinion, should undertake the cleaning up stricts."* aring ite destination, and we ht. to tell me what you think of fencing as Mr. McCall significant remark 3 don't believe “I notice you By this time Mr, Mitchel's taxicab was “Before I go,” I sald, "J want you ‘And then Mr, Mitchel fenced for the first time, “Zl have to 1 you to @ your own conclusions ae to that, said, “I'm still a member of the Fence! Club, but Z haven't do! fencing recently—that is, mot with the foils.” “Oh, thi Rosentha’ McCall's headquarter; at the Martinique Hotel hile Tammany has its coat off for Mr. McCall's bt that It keeps its coat on when the Judge Is around, meet shirt sleeves or shirt sleeve English or shirt aleeve manners ‘and 1 confess I had come to regard them all as inseparable Everybody is dignified and courteous, ‘The of course, but he purrs and lets you pat him on the head, and ith the clawa manicured till you almost believe that footed animal that has been most maliciously When you go into Judge You do not at the Martinique, as arrived, and you follow him into the next room and meet the Tammany candidate, Ani be- ve met Tammany candifates before and have been rather over- em, you aay timidly—I said timidly: question—perhapa you will think {t @ ally question— York?" “But I don't think @ ailly question. Mot et all. I's « very tm- portant question,” Judge MoOall replied. “The infuence of on in fe cannot be overestimated. Women have tremendous power, ‘and they exercise tt almost invariably for the betterment of the world. ‘Phere ie no field of activity im which the power and the goodness of yn do not make themselves felt.’ », of conree,” T assented. “But what do you think would be the effect of woman's direct Influence through the bollot?” | Judge McCall hesitated. | could almost see him reach for the @and box preparatory to teeing off. He looked at the question [ had thrown down, the Uttle white ball that lay on the tee at his feet. He eyed it though cal-| culating all its angles, He moved first one foot and then the other, and then | finally he swung and hin answer sliced far to the right. | ‘am afraid I haven't given much thought to the problem of woman aid the Tammany candidate, “Inetinotively IT must admit that 1s abhorrent to me. I think women fulfil theif mission in life when hey represent ts charm, ite sweetness and graces, Their influence in their ‘own sphere tn tremendous. But if they should go into politics Tam afratd the effect of their ballota would not he as uplifting as they seam to belteve.” “Some years a I interrupted, “I had an interview with Mr. Croker, in which he anid: ‘I have far too much respect for women to want to eee them tnized up in politica’ But, of course, the answer to that objection ts; Why net make politics more respectable?” i Judge McCall amiled tolerantly, but rather akeptically at this suggestion. “However high the ideals of women in polition might be,” . “lam afraid the deterrent forces woul be too strong for them, particularly ,in a city like New York.” “Don't you think New York ip e pretty good city?” I asked. “% (hiak Wow Tous a0 o city nes been crucily maligned,” Mz. MeCald powered by “IT went to ask you tl t Sauiac Leseaemenmunbaamichooeeien Mitchel called his broken auto a. Tammany- WHAT MITCHEL SAYS. 1 think we can have law en- If I could solve the social evil problem I would be wiser than all the men that have ever lived, late doenn’t have to T have nevor been enthusiastic. ally for woman suffrages 0 have never boen opposed to It. However good New York may he, there fs always a chance to Mayor I shall try to make It bet- “I couldn't answer that queation offhand. fo T tried another, “There Is another reform which the Mayor of Now York might work for and which would he of special interent to women,” T augmented. ® punishment for the man who abandons minor children which would caro for ‘the children as well aa punish him. The city marintraten have told me that their greatest problem has to do with men who have abandoned thetr families, ‘To send such men to the Island merely gives them free board and lodging and leaven their families to starve or to become a charge on the taxpayer. year the Judges got @ bill through the Le«isinture enabling the city to put child abandoners to work at their trades, say for $1 a day, of which 7% cents should ko to the prinoner’s family, mandatory on the Board of Estima given any thought to that problem ol “Undoubtedly under the present aystem of « the punishment falls most crueily upon the tnnocent believe that New York City should be made an experiment station for reforma, To nay that Chicago has done a certain thing, that Philadelphia has undertaken something elne, is not, in my opinion, any reason why If at the end of @ year or so tho Mayor of Philadelphia or of Chicago could say: ‘I have tried such and such a plan and gotten results from It,’ then Is the time for New York to be interested.” HE BELIEVES IN STEERING HIS OWN COURSE. Philippt. Aren't you afraid there will be some gi Mr, McCall smiled broadly. (I think he ia already aware that mont of the young men he addressed were in doubt as to whether Phillpp! ts on Staten Island or on the Erie.) ‘There WAS a ehost at Philippi,” he sald, or huge dropa adorned with bells The new hat will be « three ‘“*No Curfew Law or Puritanism for New York. Orderly People in Orderly Places Should Be Left to Decide for Themselves When They Shall .Eat and .Sleep.’. e ‘I Do Not Believe in Following a Bellwether in Anything. York Should Not Be Made an Experiment Station for Reforms.’’ 1918. by The Preas Publishing Ce, (The Ne Yorn World). 1 do no decency without @ cartew, cruelly mi ind sistent w! Frankly, New York ind if Tam elected motherhood pensions. T's ti But Gov, Sulzer vetoed t and sed, hesitated a moment and mad of bis entire conversation. “Z do not believe in following « bell-wotber in anything, (1 hope Charles Bell-Wether Murphy will note thia carefully.) “Isn't that the American tendency—particularly about reforms?” T asked, ‘Yes, it is,” Mr. MoOall agreed; “but I bave no sympathy with it. bell-wethers.” wome democratic young men halt Some New Fashion Decrees For the 1913 Winter Woman “Don't care a straw" slouch, Instead of a walk, with hands In pocket» Little tf any corset end wide, full clothes. maligned. Hoft-spoken gentlemen tell vou thet of course you may ee the Julge, in Bkirte shorter than usual, showing the elaborate, new red lace stock * fact, they imply that the Judge's existence up to the moment of mecting you|T ings, HEN you haven't haw been just @ rehearsal, Slippers with red velvet heels to mateh the atockings time for lunch get Here and there a roughneck agonizes under the garrote of an unaccustomed The tango gown Will remain povular during the entire season, exceot some me high collar, Here and there self-consclois feet auread Mie huge shiny batter: |] foidings are not joined at the back ond bom OW r (ole) cukes over the soft carpets of the Martinique, Ears are coming into fashion again, ao the hair will be brusned bart t saad 3 Tat the atmosphere is not Tammany~ not Tammany at all. eeoin halts per Vanilla) Chocolate, 1 want 404, my tntereating, lus: hoon a very nice inan with parted whiskers—even the tiger parts itv whis- rings are again in favor, the latest being large tortoixe suell rings hey'reirresistibly good tells. Rowe, Al old, ‘Blue tn every ahade, with Royal blue the favorite, will be « favorita A new material, Guvetyn, with velvety surface, te all the rage in Paris, being worn with lar, allver buttons. The First Few Hours of the Day are the hardest. Keep good-natured and clear- headed in the morning. For breakfast drink WHAT M’CALL SAYS. ‘bellwether In I think New York has been greatest measure of personal lib. erty for Its citizens whieh Is eo of the law, experiment station for reforms. T haven't given much thought to the problem of woman suffrage, The Idea ty abhor Saeed “Z delieve in the greatest moasnro of personal liberty for ite citizens whioh ig consistent with proper enforcement of the law.” What do you joate at Philippi?’ “Rut what ghosts do you mean?’ host of the police altuntion, the ghost of Gov, Sulzer, the ghost of sorta of ghosts.” “There are no ghosts that won't be layed on election day," replied Ju MeCuil, with hie mer y affair, gripping the head under th . at 43 The Idea of Woman Suffrage it belleve in following a ythiny | | ligned. I belleve In the || | ith proper enforcement 1, 1 do not helleve that City should be made an Fourteen Killed in Train Wreek. DEVINGK, Russia, Oct ¢-Seurtecn saneenners — gst killed and twentye lgbt injured to-fay when the express from Kiev to fit. Petersburg collided with « stationary engine ee it was en- teving the station her neok. |STRIP AIGRETTES FROM WOMEN’S HATS? EVER! Severe Punishment Awaits Any Customs House Officer Found Guilty, Says Collector Mitchel. “Even a Custom's Inspector has no right to pluck almrettes from ladies hats." ‘Thus spoke Collector of Customs Jonn Purroy Mitchel to-duy when asked by an Evening World reporter {f it were true that Inepectora ized algrettes from the hata of women passengers arriving in New York last Saturday, “I have read the story in the news- New York should try it, | PAvers and have started an investiga ton” sald the lector, If I find that there was any discourtesy or roughness in compeling women to surrender their bird plummage, 1 shall take drastic action, and punish the « “The new ft law Portation of algreties made from the plumes of the heron, opprey and other wild fowl, but does not permit any Cus- toms Inapector to reise them from ladies hots The algrettes to be netaed must be Amongat the baggage.” en. Henry, Surveyor of the Port, who in in charge of the inspectors, denounced the story as being untrue “I have tn- quired into it and have not deen able to verify any part of It.” ‘The new law, which went Into effect on Saturday, permite onty the tmporta- tion of alarettes, of ostrich plumes and! domesticated binds. > Naby Kiltn self With G 1, NJ think about them oo big.” anid Mr. MocCan. | | | “The provision of “You're really prettier then when ‘we were married, my dear. Laat he measure on the ground Apportionment.” Sudge McCall re Jing the man to the Isiand But, frankly, T do not the most Interesting and yesterday to meet at bs drinking ebout 80 evereged giaecee of Whisky dally. Alee coneiderable beer, gin and ele. In mboats. he added, stantly when a charge fram a shotgun | with which she wan playing et her home in Greater Filzabeth entered her das nourishing as the Reavily tot average lunch. ae mek. Wood New York City, and come tn plain wrapper. 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