The evening world. Newspaper, July 8, 1912, Page 4

ed a i i THAW IS SANE, NORISK TOFREE HIM, SAYS EXPERT | Dr. Adolph Meyer Testifies Harry Said He Would Divorce Evelyn. MURDER BIG MISTAKE In Fact Thaw Considered It Greatest Error of i His Life. —_»—- {Special to The Rrentng World.) WHITE PLAINS, N. Y., July &—Late this afternoon Dr. Adolph Meyer, first aBenist for the defence in the Harry ‘Thaw hearing, declared without hesita- tion that Thaw fa eane and that it would not be dangerous for him to be at large. This answer came when Mr. Shearn, ‘Thaw's conuse, had submitted to bim a short hypothetical question. ‘The last examination of Thaw by Dr. Meyer took place on June 12 last. At that time he was asked what was the Sreatest mistake he had made in his life and he replied that tt was the kill- ing of White on June %, 18, Thaw! added that the factor over which {t had ocurred had passed away from him. Therefore he considered it of no conse- quence, When asked what his leading motives im Mfe were before the situation arose (meaning the murder) the slayer of White said that as far as he covld judge, he was very much like other People and that be never had any exag- Merated ideas, “As to the future,” ‘Thaw continued im telling his story to the insanity ex- pert, “‘L would like to go abroad. I don't think I am in a position’ now to Judge what I could do after that.” The witness said he could find no trace of persecution delusions or of ex- agwerated ego when he questioned Thaw @ many occasion: He had asked Thaw what he would first do if he secured his release, and his reply was ‘I will first go to Pitts- burgh und attend to some tmportant business, Then I shall sue for « divorce from my wife. She js not the same as sbe was when I married.” Y can't you get a divorce tn this the expert said he asked, Pennsylvania is bet- here woukl be no Filnt and Dr. MacDonald . Meyer sald he could see nothing ‘penne about Thaw's reasoning in the fivorce matter. Dr. Meyer said he had been professor Of pse! vetwity for two years and had studied the insane in some of the largest asy- tums in this country and Burope. In reply to a queation of Mr, Shearn ans to his fret visit to Thaw, in 1908, Dr Meyer replied: “The general scheme of the examina- tion was to give Thaw an opportun! te give spontaneous account of f tora that I presented to him, H sWered every question quickly, sho that his memory was good.” Dr. Meyer reviewed all the atatemenis Thaw made avout bis trip to Hurope with Evedyn Nesbit and the events that led up to the shooting of White om the Madison Square roof. Thaw told the witness that on the second day after the story of White, | Sal when Dr, Hamilton examined him, “the dector's cyes began to wigste,” and ‘Thaw sald be poked fun at him. In going over his notes Dr. Meyer aid that Thaw told him his feeling of revenge was nominal, THOUGHT SELF DEFE NECESSITY AT TIMES. “1 asked Thaw what was hin ontl- mate of self defense when insanity Was excluded,” said Dr. Meyer, “Thaw replied that sometimes it was a neces- aipy.” ‘Thaw told the witness that he now, had an absolute horror of the idea of killing. ‘Thaw in his talk with Dr. Meyer said that White had no pallbearers at nia funeral, The expert swore that he thought Thaw had a flight of ideas while being questioned. but he always spoke very promptly and never held back. “At no time," sald Dr. Meyer, notice that Mr. Thaw had not return to the question at Issue. He was a absolutely frank. He welghed his ment very carefully, There is a decided jacrepancy in {deas in writing and| speech, on account of the rapidity of his | thinking and speaking and failure to} write down as rapidly as le thinks. A “aid 1 a Mr.Shearn brought out from Dr.Meyer that Dr. Baker, who was formerly an agsistant superintende Matteawan, had told him he could of paranoia in Thaw nd no evidonoss “Did Dr, Baker tell you he had dts- covered nop n his obsel of; Thaw while at the hospital? “Yes,” "Did ho tell you he had diagnosed Thaw's conditt “1 don't think s0 }when was th! ny visit at Matteawan tn THAW RESENTED IDEA HE WAS POMPOUS. ‘Phaw told Dr, Meyer that he resented the opinion of the experts that he ap- peared to be silly and pompous and characterized the opinions as ridiculous, This statement was made when the wit- ness vis! latter pai Dr, Meyer visited Matteawan again | on March 9 and 10 last, In company with | De Mills and Dr, Petersen and another = — SORES TSS ee 4 Thaw at the asylum in the of March, 190%, eletry at Johns Hopkins Uni- | ; examination, principally phystoal, conducted by Dr. Mille. The witnes declared that the only ‘things found about Thaw were a slight tremor of the hands and an occasional slight twitching of the left eheek. 80 much bad been made of Thaw'y staring eyes that Dr. Meyer sald they also made an examination of his optics, but there was nothing special about them. The prominence of the eyes in frequently found {mn many normal individuals, Dr. Meyer added. In his examination of Thaw Dr, Meyer mwore that he found not the (slightest disturbance of his mental trend, neither was thera any exalta- tion or enmity toward anyone. In talking politics with the witness Thaw spoke of President Taft an a n and as well liked as the Into Mr. Meyer said that well versed in all the poll- tical news of the day. For a short time today Mr. Shearn continued his cross-examination of Dr. MacDonald, who had been on the wit: ness stand for sixteen hours on We day and Friday of last week. In reply to @ question of Mr. Shearn as to the normal mental! status of Thaw at the age of twenty-one, Dr. MacDon- ald replied: “Taking into account the hereditary as well as all the other elements tn his life, I would say he was born a poten- tial paranoiac and never came up to the normal standard of mentality.” ‘The witness said that the di from the norma! in his mental was marked by an Increase of this o dition from his twenty-iret year to the Present time, Ho also testified that Thaw alwi had an exaggerated ego and thal @ delusions of grandeur and exag ed ego gradually in- creased. WALLST L STREET Tho stock market was subjected to heavy selling pressure at the outset of trading today. The bank statement Saturday caused considerable disturb- ance in the speculative situation, with the result that shares of leading fea- tures were Wl at concessions to- day. Int rse of the first hour Reading, Union Pacific. Steel and Copper slumped over 1 point. Steel broke through 70 to 69%. Roading reacted to 164%, The liquidation subsided somewhat in the subsequent period, but the list failed to manifest strong rallying power. Sentiment continued bearish during the afternoon period. Brief recovertes were ulways followed by brisk selling movements, which never failed bring the list down to new low rani for the day. Pressure was heavi against Steel, Union Pacific, Headt and the Coppers. All these tesues dis- played losses of two und three points from last week's closing, A large number of specialties, re- flecting the pronounced weakness of the leaders, dropped over two points, A feeble rally was in progress tn the last few minutes, but the ‘entire market was well down at the finish, ‘The Quotations. esa aes Peo EE =< wre nrbesres FF PRErPs, i a ee YC Northern Par ular Wei Fee. faididedte several very advan Women’s ee eee FFF Stern: Brothers To-morrow, Tuesday, THE EVENING WORLD, MONDAY, JULY 8, tors had not readily been acted upon. The bureau has been in existence but a few months and is at present an un- welay branch of the city government. | PUBLIC HEARING ON: 1 FIRE PREVENTION Ordway’s Allegation of Poli- tics in Appointments Arouses Alderman’s Ire. ‘The recent controversy hetween Mayor Gaynor and the Civil Servies Reform Association presented another chapter to-day in @ different form whep Samuel H. Ordway, representing the association, and Alderman Frank J. Dowling of the Aléermantc Committee on Rules, which was holding @ public h a wrangle. Mr. Ordway the cammittee that no & position covered by civil service could legally be made for political reasons. He added that of the 93 appointments to inspectorships in the new Bureau of Fire Prevention, 76 were enrolled Democrats, 4 Republicans and one an Independence Loaguer. low about the Comptroller's office iy that respect? Can you find any but Republicans holding jobs there?’ do- manded Dowling. te jgation during the term of rales al | Metz.” “Bure you did—and he was « Demo-| erat, too,” retorted Mawling. Added spice was given the hearing when Fire Commissioner Johnson and Borough President Miller, of the Bronx, talked in an undertone, and at the end of the conversation President Miller shouted: “That will do for you! I do not want to hear any more from you!” “What has your Association done about the thirty or forty plasterers who wore appointed recently? Not one of Democrat,” declared Dowling, js the first 1 have heard of me back from Mr, Ordway meekly. 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