The evening world. Newspaper, June 9, 1900, Page 2

THE WORLD: SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE, 9, 1900) MAYOR’S AMAZING STORY OF ICE TRUST | STOCK HOLDINGS AND OFFICIAL ACTS. $ (Continue? trom First Page) ‘Bink tt was Bath, come to think of it. We knocked about some, ‘What de you mean by knocked about? A. Ob. we went ashore and) around a bit. We satled down the Penobscot River, too. @ Did you look at the ice-houses” A. We passed them down the river How many? A. 1 can’t say. Perhaps twelve, perhaps more ‘That was the only time you ever saw any of the property of the ice A. Yes. str. @ You wore in a boat? A. Yes, sir /) @ Whose goat? A. I can't eay. @ Didn't it belong to the American Ice Company? A. It was furnished by Mr. Moree, I was his, We were his guests |. & Did you see-ice houses on the Kennebec and the Penobscot, A. Yes { them. Why 4id you make thts inspection? A. I don't {t an inspection merely for « pleasure trip. Had we not gone there we would have 0 O84 Point or Virginia Hot Springs. } Did you know the city was a large consumer of ice? A. I never gave E Dida’t you know that the Amenican Ice Company had a practical fm thie city? A. No, sir, I have read in the papers that the q But: you don’t know anything about a reduction of the price per 4 A, Nothing whatever. HE HAD HEARD OF THE PEOPLE’S UPRISING. @ You know there has been « violent agitation against the Ice Trust ts monopoly? A. I think I have heard a little about that @ Do you think the Mayor of the city had no jurisdiction over such a 1 don't think so. @ And the fact that the Mayor of the c'~ held a large block of tm euch @ manopaly affect his obligations in any way? A. Oh—I have THE DAY OF BHETRINUTION. Joba roll and a few tee Trost lawyers tn court, | -‘Mere Lawyer Patterson for the Mayor objected to this line of question “| think the counsel has gone far enough,” he commented. The objec- ‘Wes not sustained - @_~—Did you know the price of toe had been raised to 60 conta or were Fou consulted about {t? A. No, sir Q. When you excienged your Knickerbocker Ice Company stock dié | you know the same privilege had been granted the atockbol:ers of the Con- | polldated company? A. I did not. & @ Do you know the Dock Commissioners’ Q. Appointed by you? A. Yes. Friends? A. Oh, yes. @ You never knew the Consolidated was to be merged with the Ameri- ‘ean Ice Company? A. No. You @ You expected the profits of the American Company were to be made| {Pht MOtPtSHOt SOE OEt EERE Dm oO iS @utside of New York City? A. 1 did. Mr. Morse told me the business was to be in the South, Philadelphia, Washington and Baltimore. Q. You were never told by Garroll, Morse or any one that the Knicker. |* vr Ice Company was to be consolidated with the Amertoan loe ( ? A. No, sir. ; @ You got the stock though? A. Yes. I was anxious to get (1. $ Q@ Why? A. | thought it was a goot investment, MAYOR OWNS $150,000 IN COPPER. Q How many other transactions have you made based on your own Pedgment? A. 1 bought $150,000 worth of Amalgamated Copper @ Any others? A. Yes, @ number of others b Q. You have seen that a large amount of Ice stock is credited to others (Are you interested in any of them? A. No, str @ A large amount of stock is credited to Mr. Seott. i? A. No, sir. @ De you know who are stockholders of the Knickerbocker Ice Com- “Peay in Maine? A. No, sir. @ Are you aware that every single officer and also members of Pemmany Hall and others are very large holder in the Knickerbocker lee + Is any of that for A TAMMANY HALL CONSPIRACY. Aa objection was made by Mr. Patterson on the ground that che question Rothing to do with the case and was unimportant. “1 assure Your Honor,” said Mr. Peckham. “that it is of vital im por- tance. ‘The objection was sustained @. Do you know that on Nov. 1, 1898, John F. Carroll held 2,000 ehares the Knickerbocker Ice Company, of New York City? Odjected to. The Court asked Mr, Peckham the purpose of the question Peckham replied he did not like to disclose the purpose. He said finally Gapeeted to show that s conspiracy existed by which the price of a com- ‘was to be raised. _ AB argument followed between counsel, and finally the question was al- nd the Mayor said he knew Carroll owned some stock, but it. He did not know tne number of shures. How about Croker? A. Don't know Cram? A. Don't know. James Fitzgerald? A. No, sir. Peckham then calied off the list of judges who are credited with but the Mayor said he had no knowledge that they were hot when then went into a long series of questions p of this character. _ PUTTING “HIS HONOR” ON THE RACK. Company had forced the American Ice Company to reduc _ regarding the Gock properties, but the Mayor pleaded ignorance of aii fead the eeport of the Dock Board for the year 18997 A ‘ny pains not to read it at all? A. Oh, I can't read all y Wills pasved by the Legisisture for the improve OR the west side, in 1899 submitted to you? 4. as : 1 don’t need to | | want you to look at them | 1 don’t want to Judge Gaynor was the reply ruled that the wit These bills had been vetoed by @ do with the management of the American Ice Company in any) because the city had not the money the constitational debt limit Q the dock facilities of the city? Q@ Why did you veto the bills? the Dock Board to pile up a debt policy. Condemnation proceedings billet A 186 of them. A. No, sir Q. Do you mean that you knew before the bills came before you? warned to look after such matters. Q Hut don't you keep track of with legislation in any way provement bills were passed by the danger’ A. Certainly not, sir (quic head vigorously) Peekham (brusquely) Q. Did you know anything of th pany? A No, nothing watch Albany legislation. I ? 99559006 5-30-5-45-000060000+ | | There Wasa Ran PoeP PPPoE cers jetty A. I did not. At 11.46 the Mayor's examinats to return to his office President shenen Q Did the Garfielt Bank? A. The Mayor a cent ‘This was a direct contradtetion of tempted to « ome to the reseus. @ Did the bank know that the @ How wore those notes wy THE ICE GANG. “afte ene at a ntnteimbnfetotnietmteteate! <i snapped the Mayor, showing the first signs of anger. and then Mr. Peckham read the general provisions of the bills It would have been to the interest of New York to have tnereased A. Yes, air, if they had the money, WHY HE VETOED THE DOCK BILLS. property to be acquired was in question Q@ Now, Mr. Mayor, did you give any reason at the time you vetoed the Well, I had 248 tlle at the time and of that number I vetoed Q. Did you know anything about these bills before they were passed’ | Q. Now, Mr. Mayor, did you not know that at the time the Dock Im- Mr. Peckham then read from the Charter, showing that it waa the duty af the Mayor to exercise supervision over aii the city departments and to Q. And despite this, you did not know the American Ice Company se cured from the Knickerbocker lee Company the leases of all plere in the | “That will do.” said Mr Peckham. and the Mayor stepped down += BANKER GIVES THE LIE TO MAYOR VAN WYCK. of the Garfield National called att Trust hearing to-day Mr Peckham conducted the examination Witness said he had been « director of the Knickerbocker and Consolidated foe Companies, He was asked in which company he had ceased to be @ director but Lawyer Nicoll objected on the ground that It was a private matter, He sald he was a director of the American fee Company Q Have you made large advances of money on the American Ice Company stock” (Objected to by Mr Nicoll.) Q Did you negotiate with the Mayor for a loan? A. TI 4i4 not Q Who did? A I don't know @. Who did you make {t to? A. To Mr, Morse MAYOR'S TESTIMONY CONTRADICTED. uapiged of? A The teeseleltet: leietnlniete lotatotel +f a | the Mayor moving uneasily in his seat Mr. Peckham persisted ness did not have to look at the papers, | who said he had done ao was within $5,000,000 of | the Mayor The eity A. I thought it was unwise to allow 919,000,000. 1 was against such a jere necessary and the title of the nothing about legislation for the city A. The Corporation Counsel's office is city legislation? A, I never interfere Legislature, your tee holdings were in kly responded the Mayor, shaking his Q. Didn't you realize that the passage of those bills would seriously af- fect the value of your ice stock? A. Why, certainly not, certainly not, Mr, | purpose? DID NOT KNOW OF DOCK LEASES. ose lenses to the Consolidated lee Com- on the Bank Vesterday. POR OD REN OOO ERE, jon was concluded. He left the stand Rank was the see nd witness Garfield National Bank never loaned th the Mayor's testimony and Mr Nicoll at- | thous ICE TRUST PRESIDENT i. TELLS OF DOCK GRANTS. Charles Wo Morse” President of the American loo Company, was a witness @t the lee Trust hearing before Justice Gaynor this rnvon. Mr Morse was examine!’ by J Noble Hayes for The World Q. How did the American Ive Com- j Pany secure te docks? A. From ind viduals ood private owrers Q DM vow Dring the minute books the Amertean foe Company here? A. I Was not eo directed Q Did the American fee Company own r lease any docks when they beza yustness? A. Not directly Q You have acquired no docks since you have been doing business here? A HOW THE TRUST GOT THE DOCKS. Q What other docks does the Ameri- can tee Company une beside the docks of meotidated Company? The witnesa aamed them Q Does the American Ice Company use any docks leased directly from the he controlled by the American tee Com- Any, but counse! on the other side ob jected Justice Gaynor sald the fact could be established by legal infere Huy we want the fact t or deman. ‘That's Mie tend to ase them believe Q@ Was there any stock held tn trust? A. Yes, some in Mr Scott's name Here Mr Nicoll interrupted any of it for a public official? “Was “No,” answered Mr. Morse Mr. Hayes objected to Mr. Nicoll’s tn- terference and the trust lawyer was rebuked sity? A, No. Q Does it use any docks leased by ther companies from the city? A. Yes, he Consolidated Q Did you consult the Mayor about your ? A. No, sir Q John PF Carroll? A. No, sir Q. How did you secure them? A We wrote directly to the Doek Commis soners TALKED WITH THE MAYOR. Q Did you talk to the Mayor abou! bis buytng stock In the American Ice Com pany? A No, alt Q You were with him all the time down in Maine and never said anything to him about it? A. No, alr. Q Did you ever talk to him about buy- ine American Tce stoct? A When he firs! desired to buy It he asked me about | tt Q ma ever advise the Mayor to buy the A. T never did | Q. Did you ever talk with Carroll about baying stock? A to his orteinal purchase Not previous Q DIA you know he was a stockhoiter tn the Consolidated Ice Company? A Yes, 1 a4 Q And tn the Knickerbocker Tee Com: | pany? A. T heard Q DMA you know Mr. Cram or Mr Murphy and talk + than about buy Ing stock? A. t did not | Q. Are the dock facilities for the tee business limited In New York? A. They are not Q How many docks thare for this A. Hundr of them, we have gtvan up some. ‘They were mot in| the right place. WILL USE EVIDENCE. | Mr Hayes endeavored to get the wit-| ness to admit that the price of toe was] 300 SHAR Cram, President of the was a witness before Jus- J. Sere Dock Board ‘fee Gavnor at the Ice Trust hearing bis afternoon Mr, Cram admitted (het he was & holder of tee stock. He subscribed ortg- to the Knickerbocker Company, | tnally Mf Maine, for 19 shares of preferred and receved a bonue % common ‘The witness said he sold all his #tock | in Oo - @ Did you sell this stock because you were & Dock Commissioner or for prt vate reasons? AT sold it because 1 the matter might come bef: e) me as 4 member of the Dock Boar Q What leases were made to the Con-| solidaced lee Company while you were holding ice stock? A, We received en tion for six plete, 1 struck out one and ther sent the application to the Treasurer He atruck out onother and we made a lense for four plore fined the price considering that the lee > Murphy. Dock Commte- he first witness of the af- lee Trust hear- srnoon session of the a sald he bought ice ttock in the Knickerbocker Company at the sugges tion of a man named McDonald Q Did you ever heer any Djection against city officals holding stock in (he American fee Company? A. No, sir. @ Do you hold the stock now? A. No 1 pold it in Maren, 1900 SCHOONMA Jon BE. Seboonmaker Vice-President of the American Ice Company, was & witness at the Ice Trust hearing this afternoon The examination conducted along the line that wag in- ended to prove @ conspiracy ‘The wit- nase was asked if he was not one of the projectors of the scheme of absorption “The notes were given by Mr. Morse,” he endeavored to explain. Q. How much aid you loan Mr. Morse? A. 1 think s0,0%, to be loaned to the Mayor? A. No. Garfield Bank bought the nates the stock. tA Tow YG - of the minor ice compantes which event- ually reswtted tn the creation of the American lt Company. “1 object to the witness furnishing any qeitence that may be used ageinet him, b ae oor | (Mat there were IMs and bulkheads DOCK COMMISSIONER MURPHY HAD STOCK. of the witness was | suogty CROKER’S PART. Q, Did your company ever give any stock away? A, Never QOr make contributions to Tam. many” A. No, Q When the Mayor Sought the 10 of preferrat stock did you give him the 2,40 of common as a bonus? A. No. @. Did you kaew if Ki ker, J ¥. re- Sergeant phy en- rhocker and 4. Q Have you s book that will show positively’ AT don't think so “No corporation le without such @ book,” interjected Mr. Peckham WERE BOOKS DESTROYED? “Does such a book exist or was It de- stroyed? @ object to such an instnuation,” sald Mr Nicoll, ‘There been no books destroyed Q Do you know how Mr. Carroll quired his stock? A, From me. Q How much did pay? A. The same aa (he Mayor, $250,000, 4 divided the same way as the Mayors. WHY ICE DROPPED. Carroll ever render any he Q Did Mr services to the American Ice Company? A. No, sir. @ Do you know how the Dock Com- miseionere got theire? A. Don’t know @. Do you know why the price of ice advanced in New York this Summer? A Bhort crop. Q@ And why did it A Bharp competition. Mr. Morse then drop to @ cents? excused. DOCK PRESIDENT OWNED ES OF STOCK. Company had surrendered six plers not destred. LEASING THE PIERS. Q Expisin why one pier wae leased to the lee Company without being put up at auction, while anolher pier wa: put up at auetion? A. ‘The law allow t Hoard to dispose of the plore aa it 5 questioned about the the privileges of prices paid f at the Wallabout Basin, where, claimed, competing ice companies barred The witness was then questioned by his own counsel for the purpose of e# tablishing that he Was not a party to the conspiracy c A He declared in Greater New York where ice may be landed by competing companies Mr Paring Boned penal name the ime re y produced Mer be me ny " 1 tion. Wit- nage said that he did not know that the (insependten toe dealers were controted by the American lee Company but he We (dtd know that the independent companies paid their own bila Q. What did you get for it? A. 2100. Mr Murphy sald that he invested altogether $10.00 in tee stock @ And you did this because some one told you It was @ good thing? A. Yes, sr. | @ Simply because a man aid {t looked [like a good Investment you put $10,000 in |"te Yew, tf ness faid there was no reason | anybody desiring to go into the ine buck ness could not secure proper dock fax | eittty ICE-TRUST OFFICIAL KER’S STORY. Q Do you know Mr. Carroli? A. Only | slightly | Q Why was the price of ice advanced | from B® to M cents’ A. Because of dort Q. Was that the only cause? A. Well, that was sufficient Mr. Schoonmaker was allowed to go. “Call your next,” commanded Judge Gaynor. “Que moment,” said lawyer Peckham. “It was the purpose to Drove by theee proceedings that hed boon " kiy ade Peckham, That's re heve tor.” Q Have you the book® of your com: | pany in court? A. The Secretary has, 1 I$ HE ALL RIGHT!!! yrs Peop.. MAYOR Ig | CARROLL, TAMMANY MAN, ANOTHER ICE BARON. John F. Carrol! deputy lender of Tam-7 Y. Was that stock open to the publi-* many, and the bright young man who} A That I don't know. I only know as sew a good (hing In the monopoly In lee regards myself and told Nie friends about It calle!) @ Thea #0 for as you knew the stock ae a witness at the Iee Trust hearing | wes only listed for private purposes’ this afternoon | A. 1 don't know about that Mr. Carrot! was cool and collected. He} Did you talk to any ome about tt’ Was examined by Mr Peckham A. Yes, to Mr. Morse. Q Mr. Carroll. have you had any par-| @ Did you tath to the Mayor ticular relations with the elty at any ahows ttf A. Not a evord, time? A. Yes, sir | Mayer édecté: Q. Have you ever held a city omcet| ie 7 a Led ae ALT was clerk of the City Court : without con Q Any other? A. I was a department clerk. edb knew how mach of Q Have you any interest in the Con jock the Wayer held amtil te-day. edidated or Kntekerbocker Ice Com pany? A. Yes, air. In bath of them Q What i# your interest in the Con-| solidated Company? A. 1 subseribed for $2),0 worth of stock | Q Did you pay for Ht? A. By check | Q. In the Knickerbocker Company how hetar A. 1 knew he held stock, | bat not how mach. THAT ICE TRIP. Q You accompanied the Mayer and much? A. Thirty-five thousand dollars'| Mr Morse on a trip to-Maine? A. Yes, worth. or Q You were one of the men who! @ Did you talk ice? A. Oh, genera! offered to Part of the shares of the| talk company that the company was not] Q. Did you talk on tice with the to subscribe for? A I agreed to take] Mayor? A. No, sir, $35,009 worth Q. You fust said that there was @ gen. eral talk, Deo you mean that you were wrong in the first instance? A. Oh. we saw an tce-house and we commented on it Q Any further conversation? A. None. & And you made that trip in com- pany with President Morse and the Mayor without talking ice? A. We cer- Q. How many shares did you take? A. Three hundred and Atty preferred. Q. How much comon? A. Ten hun- dred and fify common. Q. Was there any agreement about others taking an Interest in the com- pany? A. No, alr. Q How much money 414 you borrow? A. Oh, $10,090; not over that Say See Q. Did you ever talk with Mayor Van Week dbeht dt Nat A, te STILL HAS 5,000 SHARES, Q Dit you have any talk with Dick] Mr. Untermeyer exclaimed at this Croker? A. Not @ word Q Did the Mayor ever consult you? A. Never. Q. When the American Ine Company wae forme? Md you have any part in it? point: “You own ice stock yourself, Mr. Peckham! The distinguished him jike a flash All the morning | have heard these ungentiemantly tnsinuatio "1h omethig wrong. | own @ little stock out West. | must protest against these remarks “You own stock in the Knickerbocker 1 A. 1 Gia. 1) Company of Chicago and you are in the steck |‘ gentiemen whore neral way, bet not |*fActer you are trying to blacken, shouted Untermeyer. “You haven't the instinct of @ gentie- man.” retorted Mr. Peckham Justice Gaynor rapped vigorously for order and the examination was re lawyer turned on Q. When did you firet hear of the American Tee Company’ A. When It was first organised. Q Never before? A. Never sumed. GIVES MAYOR THE LIE. Q. Do you retain 5,000 shares of stock Q. Are you aware that pretty near att |*t!!? A. Every cent of them. the offictals and politicians subseribed| @ Did yoo arrange that the same time in the Consolidated and not in the|'h* Mayor did to pay for the stock? Knickerbocker? A. No, sir A. He. Q. From whom did you get your in-| & DM you borrow it from the same formation that the Ice stock was @ good |P*MK? A. No investment? A. From Mr. Morse, 1| @ Did you borrow it from any persen? A Mr. Moree think @ Did he tell you any fact from which} Did the Mayor teli you to borrow you Inferred it would be a good thing/ it from Mr. Morse? A. He did not. to buy this stock? A. No. Questioned by Mr. Untermeyer Mr. @ What wns the first knowledge you | Carroll sald that he paid for his block had of the American Ice Company? A. |of stock by a mortgage of 67,000 raised Oh, in April or May, iam. On property he owned at One Hundsed Q. You held 6,00 shares? AI held/and Fourteenth street and Eighth ave 2.60 preferréd and had a bonus of 20/nue which Is a vacant lot ‘common. Mr. Carroll then left the stand. ICE TRUST BOOKS ARE IN NEW JERSEY. Robert A. Beolt, Beeretary of the Amrican toe Company, wae called to testify at the foe Nearing this P.M Q You are Secretary of the American lee Company? A. Yes. @. Have you the stock books here? A. L have the books in my custody. @ Have you brough: the booke men- toned In the eubpcena? A. | think so. @ Protuce them? Q. Can you produce those books? A. “1 object.” shouted Mr. N3coll. Not without permission of the Board of Q. Have you the transfer books of the! Directors. letock ledager? A. No. “We will show them” exclaimed Sev. Jvatiee Gayner—"Tien you go and get | Nicoll, cE a tramfer books. "Sven wi meted Mr nao company. He sald it di4 not. That the stock certificate book would shew more, but It was not in his custody. Q. Are you (he trustes of any stock in the company? A. Yen, sir. Q Have you aay books sheowing all the Mayor's transactions? A. They ere n New Jersey at the company’s office there. <- ” a