The Seattle Star Newspaper, November 17, 1925, Page 17

fiieot the cur Cy nith, who volunteered to take ir the job when Coach Mad- NOVEMBE Huskies Well Fortified if Guttormsen and Brix Are Lost Move Started to Curb Grid Scouting in College Games Claim System Is Unsportsmanlike; Different Views Taken on Practice of Sending Men to Watch and Diagram Play of Rivals Sherman and| Cook Are Ready Quarterback ‘and Guard May Be Out of Oregon Game With Injuries toe Baggy Thanks | 55 Seattle Fans | Wa s bes 1 war Challenging the Univer- sity of Washington to a | post-season game to de- cide the football cham- pionship of the Coast, the undefeated Olympic club team of San Francisco | has started a move to ar- | range a contest with the Huskies in December, But Coach Bagshaw put the crusher on the idea early Tuesday when he said that there wasn’t a chance of Washington accepting. TORMSEN and E y real casa’ ja game, may b s when they face 0: BORC bert ot fre Co to the Husk gon in the last} game of res-| ular season in tie stadium on Thanksgiving day Both men play general the squad kicker E GUTTORMSEN fine ba # 4 also be missed. Should Guttormsen and Brix both | he forced out of the game, Coach} Bagshaw fs pretty well fortified with | yeserves, having Lee Sherman ready fo step into Guttormsen’s shoes and either Gene Cook or Bob Shaw ayail- | othe: ix too many guns for the San Francisco | P!0"- mble for Brix’s place in the line, The Huskies didn't work yesterday after their r n to § They return to the practice grind today | with the super-varsity getting most of the attention, as they play the College of Puget Sound in Tacofha| Thursday. } Smith Will Quit ICK SMITH will turn in his res om as Oregon coach at the rent season. dock quit last fall, hasn't been able to do a thing with the Web- footers this year. Smith was a st hasn't been in c ning ares much, and the game has changed. a great deal. Oregon had good mate- rial this fall, but t say that fra fernity politics at Eugene make {t al- most impossit a coach to do anything. “ Other Changes Expected (day's contests, THER changes in coaches won't be surprising when the season comes to an end. | ne has been anything ug success at Pullman, A goofy schedule, with too much t eling, has been a big handicap anc the frat boys have their say in Pull man, too Exindine has done some good at the state college, but he hard- ly classes with the big guns of | the West. | Click Clarke may not return to} Montana, attiio 1 a come out of Missoula to that effo The Montanans, like the Cou are forced to do too much trav to be really effec | GENARO BEATS | ONGE BY K. O.| 17.—Frankle | eight champion, | Vic St. Onge, Buffalo, in| urth. round. The referee stop- | Ped the bout after st. Onge had | been floored several times | DUANE BEATS K NEW YORK, rl Du-| Ane, New York junior lightweight, Won a 10-round decision from Len Kemp, England, BOXING TONIGHT First Bont 8:30 Sharp CRYSTAL POOL Second Ave. and Lenora St, AUSTIN & SALT, INC, Vrenent “LEFTY” COOPER of San Francisco AL WEBSTER of Billings, Mont, 4 OTHER FAST BOUTS Laden Cordially Invited TMekets on wale at Druxman'n, W426% Witth Ave; Joe Diz- ard's, Oceidenial and Yesler Green's Cigar Store, 1406 Third Ave; Jim Pursiey's, Second And Heneca; Austin & Malt, Inc, Ninth Ave., corner Olive. Ningstde 92.20 Reserved $1.06 General Admission & Trains: Two By Leo H, Lassen puns & lure to it And yet how ons Rides writer ever made coming home from Berkeley last weel end » longest short ride was the trip home from Bugene, just cee Bos of those journeys were made with Enoch Bag shaw's Washington Huskie Last Satu over the Ge Huskies, tire happy, pay tion to the ific struggle, the ble of Washington fans, a blatant escort, waited for the Shasta special to carry them back to the Northwest with a football championship. tay, trlumphan Jen Bears, the but wonderfully little or no atten * and bruises of Overhead the California stars were brilliant; the setting was perfect The train pulled into the depot. The dusky porters ‘With the leaned out of doorways and windows, an ear-to-ear grin splitting their ebony few tures, Even the autocratic conductors joined in the spirit of the occasion A milling, happy mob boarded the train and after pulling out of Berkeley the usual run of p board playing gave way to little Kroups of fanning sessions, tho amo being played over and over again in all of its little details. UBT a year « of Huskies Southern Pacific Bugene, Or A heavy rain had been falling for days, The streets were ike small rivers and a small group of men and be sought shelter in the stath The Washington band started to play “Bow Down to Washington,” but the comet squawked — horribly 'Welters to Head Bouts at Crystal \MA™ HMAKER BIDDY BISHOP, 4 who has been a foremost figure © boxing game for many years, and who has seen the great come and s particularly usiaatic over he for tonight's Austin & Sait card at the main event th has lined up the Crystal Poot Bishop has “Lefty” Cooper, the shifty San Francisco scrapper, meet ing Al Webster, the Billings, Mont. | iron man, tn the six-round main go. He has been watching Web- ster for the past six months, and he thinks that the Billings boxer is the best of all of the heavier boys that he has seen in acti in the Northwest, with the’ pos: ble exception of Leo Lomski. Both boxers have teen on the ground, all of Ritchie Davis neveral weeks 1 made a great hit with the th his work world agninst Webster In one previous bout here knocked out Clair Bromeo, Since then Webster has defeated Bob Sage and other well known boys in bouts in various North. id hex 7 celal league will start between have worked hard for| registration for entrance into t x-rou t-to. Cooper showed | league, according to Becretary Mel Norquist '| City Cagers to Gather Tonight and managers of teams will be held tonight at Spa Lefty Hogland, organizer of the xy with It is planned to divide the league into two classes, as was ‘Ten teams may * A with an number being = in done ist year be entered in ¢ unlimited Class 40 TEAMS IN CAGE LEAGUE ®:": At Pasadena, the University of Southern California is to November 25 and December 1, ac cording to action taken last night | ~ at a meeting of offic lagers at Spaidings. Saturday night is the last date The final settlement of the start ng date will be made at a meeting | of Forty teams have already been signed for the Commercial league, |and plans for others are being made. ee and Middle Western \'WALKER SIGNS The fans are about equally divided as to picking a favorite in tonight's | mill, Lota of them like Cooper and are certain that Webster has boy. A palr of light-heavyweights will mix {t up in the six-round semi-final, Roy Cliffe being slated to meet Speed Murphy of of Portland. The fans get a big Kick out of the heavy boys, and a knockout may be in otder on one side or the other. Henry Geysel-is set for his four round bout with Morgan Jones In the special event. Scotty Inkater meets tangle in the opener. 2» years ago, but Browne Defeats Ballard Eleven When Babes Cop O school second team football ix left after Monday's games. In Mon- rfield, led by Jackie Browne, who made all of the points, defeated Ballard, 13 to 6, on the Iat- ter’s field. Manchester's touchdown Broadway a 7 to 0 victory over| Stecher used his favorite body acia Franklin. A safety was the margin| sors to pin Clemings for the first of Queen Anne's 2 to 0 win over| fall In nine minutes, 17 seconds and Lincoln. Bill Draper, of Queen Anne, {and Tommy McMahon, of Lincoln, were the two stars. \F Nou SHouLD HAPPEN “fo MEET tHE MILKMAN, WHEN Nou COME HOME “TOM GRT we WANE HIM LEAVE AY EXTRA PINT OF CREAM! 5 ’ }cember 11 |by officials handi ‘ FOR SOUTH GO A 17.—Mickey | | Walker, world’s welterweight cham. will fight Knockout Leonard, Southern boxer, in New Orleans De it was announced here NEW YORK, Nov «Walker. ‘WANT TRACK, | FIELD EVENT The University of Wisconsin is} anxious to hold next year’s East ern conference ¢ ARMY HAS NEW DIAMOND COACH WEST POINT, N. Y, Nov, 17.—~ Army has a new baseball has been announced here that Harold SLY one more week of high| “Moose” McCormic, former star with |the New York ¢ the team next year STETCHER WINS SAN FRANCISCO, Nov, 17.—Joo | Stecher easily defend |ling tithe against Earl Clemings, wave | Wichita, Kans, in their match here Jdown for the second fall in one minute 47 seconds veo, AME, ww IS “THAT MEAWT AG A BIT OF SARCASM Ze INDEED MADAM, L KEEP He HOURS OF A GENTLEMAN le Nou RETIRE AT Nine “THIRAN, AND IT 16 SELDOM “THAT I AM NoT WOME BEFORE AW, «TWELVE, AT first games in the Commer. sand man ntérleague council in its next | | | k and field meet | in the Camp Randell stadium. | Bill Mullens in a four-round battle, |furiong straightaway is ready | while Billy Jones and Frankie Larue|the speed kings to go after marks. The oh. It nts, will handle his wrest | Two Big Grid Games in South on Saturday |U. S.C. Plays owen lnberecHodsl Tilt, and Stan- | ford and California Clash in Annual Tussle at Berkeley } WO big grid games are coming up on Southern grid- irons Saturday and they occupy the center of attention for Coast football fans. | Since Washington's defeat of California last Saturday, the annual tussle between Stanford and the Bears has lost| Officials at Berkeley are vying with} | Pasadena grid officlals over inter j much of its glamor. | play the University of lov and Cards are opposed to the Trojans as to which game is | the more important. } EX RICKARD, who neve Ing subjects, has the most pract and the most radical defense agains the money grab. ot | boxers and man- | ers which| is really placing the sport in dan bing tactics a gor of itn lite “If some ers do not and more r sonable in ¢ tating cc out of Madison Square Garden,” ald a fow days ago “He © j large laugh to pay moat of the freight.” Rickard insists that he can pass an a weekly feature and! get along just as well with only} up b four or five big shows a season “We have beon making more mon. ey out of two six-day bike races a season than all the boxing matches put together,” Rickard said. “We have had more applications proportion. a boxing palace Ing from boxing.” DID You Z NEVER Out Ever SEE Later “THAN “WELVE! “HE HAG EM Ie |] WHY SAY, ww tH’ ov’ poy ff HE ANH pure pers L] MORNING |] AN' owLo-to fA PACER. HiT 0 the same band no down to the tation at the leading box- ers and rmanag- come more sen sible tn their de mands for purses ition: DEMPSEY I'll can Boxing Several prominent managers, when | they heard of his threat, let out a do it," they waid. “He's got $5,000,000 tied up in the new garden, and boxing will have ckéy dates this winter than the alendar can accommodate, and the returns, considering the Investment | and the expense, are much higher in We want it understood that the new garden is by no means There are a dozen | Provides a imit to the p ways in which we can make up for| the gate that can be paid to the box-| before Manager Pete Muldoon opens | jthe same hold put the Kannan} the little revenue that has been com.| ers, but It 8 only one more of those|the x0 |well meant rules that is not ob-| vember Rickard ran three outdoor shows! served BY AHERN TH’ FRONT H] j last summe found to be a dumbbell on box-| rund benefit | sport that seems to be making no } Plaining, and they have been talking | | to know what to suggest to the com- j ask an exorbitant purse, but the Washington Huskies and the tune was abai There was no shouting, there ‘ group waiting for the tralr my On board, woing home, th | To men and boys broke up of thos groups, the game was pli Hush over again and th little word m f if played the biggest role 11 ome fr the converrations, ‘The men f them went to bed early and what a © Hag long ride it wan back to Boattle There was no mad throng to — Oreg meet them at the station in Se } attle They weren't escorted t ain the University, but went home Y thelr devious ways. in that Ore mud on that Saturday in October ® football championship bub ble had burst, and the at Webfooters had pulled the have forgotten biggest upset of the season, Eugene sending the Huskies down to a year ag defeat in a heart-breaking that, thone game, for a om Not that the Huskies were st in the coming two Saturday and both the Bears} scoring ¥ teams un money. Jim my Slattery and Berlenbach drew $100,000, and Dave 8 HEAD A. A. U Preene Noy, 17 ard nays he lost $35,000 on the two shows. “I'm thru with staging bene- fits for boxers,” he sald. “They'll have to give me a chance to make some money for my time and trouble and the risks in. aunt volved or I'll get out of the | day with t The © promoters are also com: | ye, about an appeal to the boxing com-|, mission for reliéf, but no one seems misaion as a means of bringing about | tho relief. The little club owners are also aquawking about the conditions that boxers, who are good drawing cards impose upon promoters before they will sign for a match, They not o city sist that all the boxers in their stable | be placed on the, card, and if there in not room for them that they be} accommodated on Jater cards. It is hard to convince some of these managers that they are hurting the game, and that if they keep up their money grab- bing tactics the sport will die a natural death, The promoters can't afford to put on high class cards and the customers eventually will tire of | putting out thelr money for | It is true that the New York law| |ahape, and Boxing is the one professional headway, In fact, it is slipping be- the future of the business Eastern Grid Teams May Pass Up Pasadena Clash By Henry L, Farrell est team W YORK, Nov 17.—Leading Easterh teams probably will not be available for any post-sea- son games of any kind, jt has been learned frém a poll of the colleges that would be tation the best attrac-| the best tons mat Either agree-| ™ a ments or faculty jections are} in the way } Dartmouth, be- ing the out- standing team of the season, naturally was the team most desired for the annual New Year's day in- tersecti onal classic at Pasa- FARRELb dena, but the Darthmouth Athletic association turned down several invitations and warded off others with the an- nouncement that the team had been disbanded, It is generally understood that a polloy against post-season games prevails at Dartmouth, instead of any rule againat intersectional games, which jn being urged by several loading @®astern colleges. o opposed to the South, Navy, cago between Notro Dame, the| cago in 1924 champions, and some team, Knute Rockne, the to Urbana Georgia end of the season It waa the strong~ Divas A Loses Lead | | the use of charts in record! | Rockne, have m Eddie Tyron, of Colgate, held the i hia posittor turday by Tyron, altho was usurped one—the Milk | college, is recognized best halfbacka in the East. ® | game involved in The Am.| It any coach believes suffic union closes inion es Its) my, completion of awards | Value in second-hand and the Hulburt of the Metropol. 1 undoubtedly rk he has been do-} for| ing stunts of the old days. scene of the sesqui-| the weak m next year, has|and th share of events,|ers. Th | Rrabbed the as having al-| high his n six of the char | ready been While 200 records made by ath-|etball coach has w Htetes in various meets under A. A.| how his men will have to play to x the past year| Win from their strong opponents, | U. supervision durl | were approved eral were rejected annd | ferred back to committees. IPogiacsl Ice Season Opens on November 23 cheap attractions. ORTLAND, If: more days of practice are ntage of|for the Portland pro hockey team| Vancouver No-| good | the! plays, good execu men working hard and training for | the coming season Two days | cause those who are engaged in the| opening, the profession want to clean up while the| return to Portland to play its fir making is good and do not consider] gamo on the home rink against Van couver, November 25 in j ceeds of the | been devoted to a Christmas fund, but the plans mouth's refusal to accept, the invl- Princeton, to Dartmouth, attraction but it is bound by engage | samen away from home, Colgate, of the ott with a drawing capac accept an invitation, but a rather light schedule has not made the team conspicuous and as far as is known heen received. The Western intersectional the California will have to seek an attraction in It is underssood lone of the best teams in the South, | will be invited to go to the Const and will accept Altho there fins been some agi: Harvard against tersectional games, it is certain there will be more of them next season than ever before Michigan comes Bast to play tho ably at Baltimore, and| COLLEGE HOOP Last year an effort was made to] Ohto State is to meet Columbia in| arrange a post-season game in Chi-| New York. Pennsylvania plays Chi-| Philadelphia and goes out! "NEW YORK, Nov. 17 ‘Tech-Notre Damo conch, suggested Partmouth,! will be continued and oxpreauing the opinion that at thelwill play the annual game against the Army in New York, and players ma winter football LABORATE sco numerou Killed observer highly technica lation or thru a gentlemen Bill Roper, Princetor that* he was thinking at the winter meeting of the coaches’ ciation that the dropped altogether. iting n nploymen and the,use of a plan of listing plays lished either by bea agreement at the meet coach aid recently eriously of proposing ystem of scouting teams be toper said after his team had annihilated Harvard that he hadn't seen Harvard in action all only information he had received about the I Ww came from casual He ources or team because as long as the game is played in_ public | there will be no way to stop a friend or an alumnus from telling a coach something | about the teams his team has What he objects to is high tematized ng, t , on the schedule ever Rockne Kids It Some coaches Including Knute de light fits to be derived from scout do some, of course, fo: the be helr own in formation, but it may be done in self. defense Rockne apparently thinks there is more to be gained by getting information on opposing + teams than he a | his new book, “Coaching,” he | devotes lengthy space to instruc. tions on the form sheets that can be used to the best advantage in coaching although he does not rive the system his indorsement. |} The Notre Dame coach bh liberal in teaching his sy he cei summer sch cannot be charged with any desir to keep his footh There has been no effort to stop K many cases the scout applies directly li aw secret to the athletic office of the team that he is to sec | gets them . | ight Unnecessary It is doutbful that there is [evil in the ides of scouting to ge y fight abe t it, ly in }its importance he will get h If a coach does not see an doesn’t have to employ scouts Many coaches and fans will not agree with Roper that scouting is “bad ethics and poor sports- manship.” As long as it is done in the open it certainly can't compared with the signal steal- The baseball coach usually knows asses of opposing batters th of opposing pitch. ack coach knows how n will have to jump and how fast they will have to run to | beat the other fellows, and the bask- ys of knowing | Welcome Stuff others re-| | The rowing coach does not alw | know how fast the other crew can } co in a sprint or over a distance, but \if there were means of knowing he | would avail himself of the informa. tion. | As far as its effect upon football is concerned, competition may be made closer than {it would be if the two teams went into the game as total five | strangers. But, after all, it is to be doubt- ed that many victories have been scored on the gridiron as the re- sult of information returned by scouts, A good team with good ion and good deception will win in the major- ity of cases, even if the opposi- tion knows all of its plays. It's a cinch that Gil Dobie knew |that Dartmouth had a wonderful Joverhead and oevriand offense, and yet Dobie's Cornell team was given | the worst beating by Dartmouth this season that a Dobie coached team | ever suffered. } Cornell knew what kind of passing Jand running plays that Dartmouth jhad, but scouting could not inform |Cornell the rotation in which the | plays would be used and the ‘way | they would be mixed up Spokane Agog Over Gonzaga- W.S. C. Contest POKANE, Noy, 17.—Interest in the coming game here Saturday between Gonzaga and W. 8. C, {s at fever pitch, and one of the biggest crowds ever piled into the Gonzaga stadium is expected, It is Home-coming day for the grads, and a big celebration is planned by the students at Gon maga. For the past two years Gonzaga has won from W. 8. C, and the Cougars will be out to erase the stigma of those two defeats. ANDERSON IS EASY WINNER NEW YORK, Noy, 17,—Edouard Mascart, French featherweight bat: tler, was defeated here last night by Eddie Anderson of Wyoming tn 12 rounds, Anderson had the edge over Mascart at all stages of the BODY CONVENE Plans are being mgslo here for the annual meeting Of intercollegiate basketball ropresentatives, scheduled for Decem ber 6, Six schools, representing the biggest in the ast, will attend, imits that it isn’t nece information about the strength or wes and that the arvard team eason volunteered to close all sources of an opposing ness ¢ | Athletics Send } Mayor Baseball for the a-A ) ix his M eam to Mayor Edwin J. Brow Walbe uccess. ful se n to the Philadely again next the teams. In| ation, regardless of rules or agree: | ‘| executivie meeting here to-| ments information, he | jc | Los Angeles aft jout in the first meeting. Fi Missouri Is | After Post Season Tilt Mo., Noy. 17.— e Missouri Val- are of the ence teams could give the Const s run for their money confidence teams, is rative dope ska and on comy tie betw yn, Coa: Missouri, probable defeated Nebra sting for Valley cham. he last game, also beat nd the Kansas Aggies Cornhuskers to a scoreless infor- | tie Hence the Kansas Aggies could of the: al games with the Coast. Whether Missourl Valley con- ference team will be invited to the st for the usual post season s or whether the various fac- ities would permit such games is nother question Last Misso uri journeyed to winning the yal- ley championship, but the Tiger | suffered a decided defeat. SPORTS BODY TO ENLARGE LONGVIE Nov. 17.—The Can- adian club, a local sports organiza- tion, plans to enlarge upon its activ- ities and a basketball team and bowling squad ts contemplated. The Longview soccer team, sponsored by the Canadian club, has met with much success this season. OREGON CAGE WORK STARTS UNIVERSITY OF OREGON, Noy. | 17.—Basketball practice has started here under Coach William Reinhart and 32 prospective cage stars turned ‘e letter men are back for’ positions on the squad and Oregon hoop prospects seem bright for this year, GOOD MAN ON LONGVIEW BILL LONGVIEW, Nov. 11.—George Barnes and Frankie Burns will meet here in the main event of the Cin- derella show’s wrestling card Friday night. Burns comes here with a big. reputation as a wrestler, earned in Portland and other Coast cities. —lo you want sturdy Trousers, Breeches or @ splendid Norfolk at? —with all the refinement and style found high-grade sults? —in material wash that wi miosly and mot fade? You surely do! 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