The Seattle Star Newspaper, July 15, 1922, Page 4

% bd SEATILE BTA SATURDAY, JULY WEINSTEIN AND ALLEN MAY NOT PLAY IN STATE NET MEE UDGE LANDIS REFUSES. TO RE- HEAR BILL KENWORTHY CASE) 1 Champ a and Seattle Not Definite En- LEO H, LASSEN @ WRINSTEIN, 1921 Wash. state champion, and Mar.) ‘Allen, ranking player in the | } last year, may not com-| in the Washington state tennts that gets under way at te Tennis club Monday. who ts tennis editor San Francisco Bulletin, has @ates and may remain | Definite word ts ex- from him by tonight. hasn't been playing tennis this year and his work permit him to take part. @ reached the top of bis game at Victoria, B.C, but take a lot of regular play to reach that form again. galaxy of stars entered tn ton meet Allen would travel at top speed to win. 1s Washington singles’ events ‘Van Dyke Johns, city cham July 15. ‘the veteran southpaw, for seven hits and five ha the seventh frame, San took the third game of from Seattle here yester- to 3. feeney, worked for the home He was tn trouble at times, ted zo0d In holding the hard- Indians to three tallies. Opened the scoring and breezed along nicely until the neventh. PACIFIC COAST LEAGUR O’Conne Rt. Miller, Rhyne. ‘oman. end T Halt Lake tories: re Pod ‘Thurston and A iy McWeeney 9, by Gregg 2. | bails—Off McWeeney eercceconnme } Stolen bases. irney, Kilduff, Stumpf. i. Gy (At Los Angeies ‘ i gathe O'Connell, ounuueneone? eueunuves Ps 6, Pet. 616 41 sy ¢{munication the fan ott Lane, Three-base hit Two-base hits — ison, Rhyne, 8. Adama. Time: er. Bchne sider and Mur HEFT DEBATE Walter Miller, claimant of the mia- Geweight wrestling title, will not Johnny Meyers, of Chicago, claimant of the honor; in their | gcheduled match on July 27, unless “Meyers pounds ringside, says a Lov Angeles Sieyatca | will agree to make 158 Tam a regular member of the A. Senlore— M4 100-yard free atyte 100-yard be stroke, 100-yard back stroke High diving Mile marathon. 50-yard free style Novice race, Sentors— 00-yard free style. 100-yard breast stroke, bO-yard back stroke, High diving. marat Novice race. (Name) Star Swim Entry Blank A. U. and wish to enter the events in The Star swimming meet marked with X: MEN'S EVENTS in tnder 18 years old) 10b-yard. free style. KO-yard back stroke, ard breast rtroke. y diving, 1@foot board, WOMEN’S EVENTS. Juvlors and Novirws— | (Girls under 14 years olf) yard free style v 18 years old) Fancy diving.” 0 foot board. Entries Close August 5 WPHONE). 66. ceewetere ee Travie Davis and Harry Casey Headline Smoker if Weinstein and Allen don’t Fighting Harp to Pit ‘Aggressiveness Against Davis’ will be plenty of class) Skill in Six-Round Mill Friday; Seven Bouts Will Back Up Main Event; Gans Going East BY SEABURN BROWN FTER wearing callouses on his knees these | — weeks past, clambering into the Arena ring,to cha) lenge the winners of main evets, Harry Casey is rewarded for his efforts at! last. The hard-sockig Irishman and Travie’ Davis will joust with the padded mitts in the headliner at Austin & smoker next Friday night. The Fighting Harp doesn’t sport any titles, he doesn’t box so fast that the boys! in the gallery can't see him; but he does, throw a wicked row of knuckles around, the ring, and so carelessly that quite a few of the near-champs haven't been | able to “see” Mr. Casey all winter and spring. He boasts of having knocked Travie off his pins in s| previous go—quite an exclusive distinction. For 10 rounds, he gave Bobby. Harper one of the thrilling balf- hours of hin career, so the Portinnd ringsiders conctuded wheo the pair tangled tm the Rose City. Davis, to be sure, is a mean Puncher and has a world of advan- tage over the Seattle boy when speed and ringeraft are consideredy But Casey'’® agereasiveness and strength make up In large measure for his Gefictencies, and the fans will likely #it in oo @ bangup battia, with Davie a probable winner, To back up the six-round main £0, seven fourround bouts are promined. Strand as Contest Bet RD GAME ‘Former Tacoma Sporting Editor, Now Member of The Star Staff, Says Former Seattle Tosser Is Most Val- uable Player in Coast League; Other Letters Seumpemnai© is the most valuable ball player in the Coast league? That’s the big question that The Star is asking Seattle baseball fans. This news- paper is putting it up to the fans and is} asking them The second batch this morning’s mail, named, former sporting editor of the favorites ! W. Egan, Tacoma Tim he is a good jthe rules of the contest care-, «\fully before sending in their votes and letters. Egan's letter and the other epis- }tles received today follow: Sporting Editor, The Star: valuable athlete in the Coast league offhand, with ball players like Lane, Eldred, Sutherland, Kam Cooper, Deal, Sand, Dell, May various others to choose from. However, I'm inclined to believe the Salt Lake club owng a man valuable as any performer in the cir cult. This ts Paul Strand, guardian of the tnitial sack for Duffy Lewis. Strand, a product of South Prairie Wash., altho a young fellow, retired from the big leagues a few years ago as southpaw pitcher. He made |himself over into an outfielder, and a good one, Now he is a first base. man, and has plug n hole th was the despalr of Lewis this epring. Hitting well over .900, Strand is an exceptionally hard sticker and 1s | fully as dangerous a batam: any man in the loop. He can p! first, outfield, or even ptich in a pinch. Sut the thing about Strand which and his earnestness, He ts always try. ing, working hard, as if his very life depended on it. No player puts forth more effort to win It's Paul's spirit, In addition to hir other qualities, that makes me for him, JAMES W. EGAN, Seattle Star, A LANE BOOSTER Sport Editor, The Star: I consider Billy Lane the most valuable player to any team in the Coast league, He fields his position as well as the best of them, as his percentage of 978 in 1921 shows. As a leadoff hitter he tops the list in this man's league. He works the pitchers for walls as often as any batter, and 1s always atnong the leaders in stolen bases, Hin record of 76 scores puts him in sec ond place in the run-getting column. While his batting average is not the highest, yet he has several home runs to bis credit and he is among the leaders tn twobase hits. He can also play a creditable game at 3efore referring further to | s are reminded that I would hesitate to pick the most} Griggs, | strikes you most in his enthusiasm, | to vote on it. of letters arrived in with a variety of The opinion of James es, is valued weny because judge of ball players. igan's com- they should read in be he second bese. He seldom gets dutch with the umptres, and, | cause of his pleasant disposition, |is popular with all the players, By all means, Mr. Editor, slip the prize to Bitty JAMES DEWEY, $512 15th N. W. LIKES ROD MURPHY Sporting Editor Rod Murphy i# the most valuable jball player tn the Pacific Const League. The fane seem that old “hello Rod” haa j hard luck thie season than some |whole clubs have. He has been jbothered by serious charley horses, j}a inlocation of his and | growths in his eyes \trying and figt jthe fans who were unsportsmaniike enough to him | tight nm has a broken leg. But he'll be back in the game again before long, and, as Manager Adama sayn, just watoh |Rod show then he ia still a great ball player 4 full of pepper. | FRED TREICHLER, had more itleine PICKS HALE Editor Baseball Contest: Sammy Hale ts the most valuable man in the league. He beautifully ball when position but he slams he ever he gets up. The opposing pitchers all begin to sweat [blood and throw wild when Sam from Texas steps up with a club lover his shoulder. Hale is versatile, too, and | play several other positions besides third base, which makes him a handy man to have around the club. Hut Jook at him good next time he [comes up here, fans; he's too fast and too good a swatter to stick any llonger in class AA baseball HALL, JACK 1902 E. Republic AT ST. LOUIS| ST. LOUIS, July 15—With more than 200 r the 40-day The sport | ular here and Bus meet is under way here. proving unusually pop and thruout the South Salt’s Arena) to forget | but he kept on | ing right along for | w, to cap the climax, Rod not only fields his | can ing dogs participating, | ‘Swimmers Prepare | Johnny Wilson Organizes for Meet Club at Madrona; Oth- er Star Swim News NSTRUCTORS at the five bathing beaches in Seattle are planning to organize junior swimming teams to Seompete in the Third Annual Star City swimming meet which will be |held next month. Johnny Wilson, instructor at the Madrona beach, has already formed his club an the members are start ing real practice, Walter Rosebers at Mt Baker, Walter McComb and Phil Glenn at Green Lake and Loule Pitwood at Seward park are expected to follow mutt this week, for The Star meet are open now and the blanks are being published every day in The Star. ‘These blanks will be obtainable at the bathing beaches next week and Will be aooepted by then instructors, Ent will close Aygust 6. The first preliminaries are echeduled for | August 12, the finals for August 19, ‘The preliminaries will be held in all events in which ‘more than five swimmers enter, except the mile, ‘There are no charges for the meet, the only requirement being that all ewimmers over 16 years of age be registered members of the A. A. U. These memberships can [be obtained by amateurs by applt cation to Bart Fry at Piper & Taft's | | | | Entrte Weismuller Not to Compete in Northwest Tanks Johnny Wetsmuller, world's greatest ewimmer, will not visit the Northwest this summer. He is returning to Chicago from hin Hawalian trip via Kansas City He stopped off in California long enough to break @ few more dash records. Welsmulier had been in. vited to mwim at Seattle, Port land and Spokane. \VON ELM VS. KNEPPER FOR GOLF TITLE i MAMA, July 15—Piaying 5 the 18 holes in the morning round with €$ strokes—two under par—George Von Elm took his sem! final match in the trenemissinsippt golf tourney bere yesterday, 11 and 10, defeating W. J. Pore Von Kim fs present title holder ana| also Northweat champion Rudy Knepper, Towa won an easy match Graham. Knepper and Von Elm will fight tt} out for the title In the finals. The scores Morning Round Knepper out 644 424 356 ham out 764 434 564 Kn pper in 344 445 343 Graham in 345 445 343 Von Elm out 644 424 252 Foye out 634 435 3h4—37 Von Elm tn 345 445 343 Foye in 456 466 444—41 Afternoon Round Knepper out 664 434 364 Graham out 555 644 364 Von Elm out 644 434 35, Foye out 664 425 35, Knepper in %4 Graham tn 34 SPOKANE. Docs AFTER MEDALS) Full brothers and « Jack | Dempaey'’s famous bullde: kane | Boy, will be exhibited in Western dog | |whows this year, according to a Spo- | champton, from Alex} 35 7. 48. 20 41, ters of kano report WILL PLAY FOR | OREGON TITLE PORTLAND, July 15.—Winners tn the semi-finals, Dr. 0. F, Willing and Rudolph Wilhelm, of the Waverly Country and Portland Golf clubs, re} | apectively, will meet for the Orégon state golf champlonship Saturday. CONTEST BALLOT I VOTE for .. as the most valuable ball py: er in the Pacific Coast league. (Name) (Address) ‘The rules of the contest follow One vote and one letter to a fan. ra nhowld not be more than 2 in ink | paper | an th | Come @ should be addre ball Kaditor, Seattle Star mn July 2%, at 6 p. m Player receiving lxtven a sultable prino by ana sou ten Polling | votes with bel Stacy Shown | 4 a apecial day Will be held the ball park, Fan writ letter will be houur guest | of the big day mont jat bat? a game between New York and St Louls in the American league, What will be known as the Pacifie Northwest Professional Golfers’ Open Tournament will be played on the links of the Yakima Coun try club September 25-26. When George Von Elm and Clark Speirs, the welldnown players, played that exhibition match in Yakima last month, they whetted the appetites of the golfers of Spudville. And so it was that George Wise, the club’s secretary, was sent forth to get the goods. ‘Of course, the seeker's first move was to get the money, That's casy—in Yakima. George collected about 600 iron men before he turned the corner, With this purse George boarded the rattler for Seattle, yesterday, for a consultation with Bob Johnstone, president of the newly organ- laed Pacific Northwest Professional Golfers’ Association. It did not take George long to get the goods. Everything was 0. K.'d in a very short timo and the big show will be put en in Yakima Septem ber 25-26, Any amateur in the Northwest will be eligthle to compete, but only members of the association will be allowed from the professional ranks. Play will be on medal score of 72 holes (36 each day), and there will be nt least four silver plate prizes for the amateurs to shoot at—on net and gross scores—while the professionals will be ewarded with cash. With thelr strongest Hneups on hand, the Inglewood and Seattle club teams will teeoff in their second engagement this afternoon at the North End course, and with the leading players of the city on the respective formations, good golf should be on tap. The first meeting, played on the Inglewood links last month, resulted In a hard fought mateh and a two-point win for the visitors, With ground ad- vantage, the North Enders are expected to cop today's argument also. Who wiil be the 1922 club champion of the Rainier golf club? This question will be answered tomorrow, when finalists Dr. G. J. West and Walter Wand meet in a 36hole match over the Des Moines highway links, The latter ix a favorite to wear the crown, but the medico has been playing fine golf lately, and he may spring a sur: prise, Wand and West reached the final round by scoring victories aeninet dnck Weber and Harry Griffith, respectively, in the semi- final matches. A large array of Eartington’s fair sex were ont this week competing in the qualifying round for thelr captain's (Mrs. Nell Bridgman) cup. The following 16 qualifiers and the draw for match play follows: dackson ve. Borst Huntington; Cary % Millan; Griggs vs. Young. The above matches must wr bchiee tele TA nad tne ‘wok: San WO EE a round, i “Ted Knudeon's golf” is, and has tople of discussion at Inglewood’s 19th Sweden heaped mave fuel on the fire match with dim “Irish” Forde, he (Ted) ® poor drive, on the [lth at Inglewood unseen by either player. Forde's senond, with a sinkable putt for a birdie "3." Then Ted's ball, Hither and thither they searched the fairway, until the Swedish marvel found Forde hasn't holed out yet. ite Figit Fs ton links, and this 16pomt balance halved match of the homeand-heme won thetr “at home” bust Sunday by » 31 to the grand total—Inglewood 52 points, Tacoma at*Tacoma last Sunday follows, with Watson 3, vs. Conrow ©; Forde 0, vs. mes MeColley Hatton 1, vs, Vaughn 2; Blake 1, va. L Pratt 2; 0, we, Detin Griggs 0, ve. Nace 2%; Gray 1, vs. Gundstrom 2; shall 1, ve. Griggs 2 Stanley ©, wa Johns 3; Frederick 1, vs. Cole man 1; Bru ve. H. Pratt 3; MeCraum 1, vs, Young % Houston 0, vs. Cooper & Throm 3, ys. Schafer @ Colby 0, vs. Davis 3; Murphy 2 va. MeLeod 1. Z Hs They had all kinds pf golf competitions, did the Northwest humber- men when they staged thelr second annual golf tournament at Ingle wood last Wednesday, tured by the local contingent. mateh—was one of the contests won by Seattle players, when A. 8. Kerry, W. M. Beebe, M. Boloom and G, W. Learned scored « win in the final round against W. J. Patterson, A. L. Paine, T. Babcock and Hi. Phipps, the Aberdeen quartet, The North End's second team, under the leadership of Loule Ter- reli, will mateh its skill this afternoon on the American Lake links with the best the Tacoma Country clab can muster, in the return half of these clubs home-and-home date. The locals first team gave the Tacomans such « trouncing here a few weeks ago that the reerults (plus the balance made in the first match) were entrusted with today's task. Forrest Watson and Stanton Frederick will oppose Rush Estee and Dr, W. FP. Harding in the final round of the oe ageregate handicap competition at Inglewood tomorrow. The latter pair will start off with a seven-up lead in this 36-hole journey. Entrants in the round robin tournament for the women's division at EBarlington, lad better see to it that they play at least one match before next Wednesday. Failure to do so will result In disqualifica- tion, So sayeth © Nell Bridgman. She wields a wicked pencil! Famous Baseball Boners No. 2—Claude Derrick forgot to bat in his turn during seven-run rally, NAN you imagine a player sitting; Up to the eighth tnning of the | on the bench thru @ seven-run | game, st. Louts had New York badly | and forgetting to take his place |) 40), y about six runs, Chance put him: self in to bat for Pitcher Fisher, and hit safely, ‘That ts what actually happened tn'| The The Yankees were trailing | Bitter Battle Booked Tendler-Leonard Struggle Will Be Biggest Mix of Year BY LEO H. LASSEN EW TENDLER, the southpaw Hghtweight from Philadelphia, 1 the only reed | weight in world who is a real contende for Benny Leon- ard’s title, When the socking southpaw climbs the ropes with Bennah for their 12-round no- decision title bout in Jersey City July 27 he knows he must knock out Leonard in order to win the title. Tendier, not to be compared with Leonard as a boxer, carries a stiffer punch than the champion, and in bis awkward style lies his greatest power, because he will be hard for the champion to figure. On the other hand, Tendler's big- gent weakness ts protecting himself from a free-swinging right hand and Leonard ts @ regular sharpshooter with his right mitt. The Jersey City brawl will simply renol itself into a question of whether Tendler can sock the cham- pion to sleep with body punches be fore Leonard cracks him on the button. The bout, looming as the greatest lightweight struggle in years, will be a bitter one. Thrice have they been matched before, but each time it wan called off by Leonard. Both fellows are great glove wield ers and Leonard, while not the mar- vel he was three or four years ago, is far from a toddering champion. ‘Their battle will be a fight that | many fans will travel many miles to see because it will be an evenly | matched struggie, with both having an equal chance before it starts. PANAMA JOE GANS NOT COMING Panama Joe’ Gans, the colored) middleweight, Gavey ‘craves, when he hit hte 2ith home ran. The Cards beat the Phils, 9 te 5. ‘With « smashing hit and ron attack, the Yanks scored four runs on five hits eff Phocker in the fourth inning, and beat’ the wna, 4 to 0, making it two! out of thes in the series ‘Two runs on Gara) single and two on Yittinger's error gave the Indians 6-to-3 Stetory over the Red Box and « nerien Bes Tierney's error only rum off Cooper, and the Pirates won, # to 1 The Robins resumed thelr lestng ware when the Reds beat them, # to 0 DU KE | DECLINES MATCH LOS ANGELES, July 15.—Duke Kahanamoku, famous Hawaiian swimmer, said he would not meet Johnny Weismuller, Chicago, “be- cause Weismuller is thre greatest swimmer the world has ever seen.” cK, R. 1, July 15.— Miss Leslie Bancroft, Boston, won the tennis championship of Rhode | Island, defeating Helen Wills, jan Francisco sirt wonder. LIGHTIE BOUT DRAV NEW YORK, July ‘weat sale for the Leonard-Tendler | fight hag reached $150,000. A $400,- 000 gute is probable, say: the | | 15.—-Advance | p | club, |says @ wire from Los Angeles. kame was played at St. Louis, | That hit started a rally, The player who forgot to take hi turn at bat was Claw Derrick, play. ing game | Frank Chance wag then managing | the New York club. Chance came close to being the victim of Derrick’s forgetful or lack of interest, you will bh It so ha that Chance be-|on his second trip, came a hero for a day because of | Derrick’s “bone.” However, he had | runs. just as good, if not a better chance, of landing in the dub claas, It might be of interest to know that Derrick never played an. | th other game for Chance, or tn the! Cha American league, after that day, It | second time up. marked his passing from the |late then—the majors. ‘done, SOX WATCHING LEE DEMPSEY LOS ANGELES, July 15.—While spending the summer in Los Ange: }ies, Frank Isbell will act as scout for the Chieago Americans. Accord ing to rumor, the White Sox are specially Interested in Lee Demp: sey, first baseman for the Coalings Isbell is owner of the Wichita club of the Western league: coaching lines at third | dor. When bat, third that he was up again, ansjof hitting ninth in tt the margin by won the game. als St. Loula club discover However, damage had PORTLAND, July | Jess Willard, pion of the world, | ston to box here in August Willard wired from Los Angeles: PORTL. AND, out of 2 | won the Pacific ¢ | trapshooting title here the shootoff of a tie Ford, of Portland. July 16 BRITIS' Ge crack a trip. 1 LINKSMEN COMING Duncan and Abe Mitchell British golfers, are planning to the Coast in November, yesterday, with 0, After Chance had scored, he went to the | MIKE DUNDER BEATS BURMAN | Derrick 15.+-Mike | tstop for the Yankees in that | WAs hitting eighth tn the batting or Chance again singled, scoring two | Those two runs proved to be which the Yankees Not until the tnning was over did that | nee had batted out of order his it was too | been 15.—Declaring | | that he would be unable to condition | | filmsolt to box at auch an early date, ex-Heavywelght cham. | has declined the | | offer of the Portland boxing commis. Smashing | targets, Frank Troeh ast zone 16-yard | in N Rickard, | AURORA, IL, July | Dundee outpointed Joe Burman fn 10 | rounds. Johnny Reisier outpointed came Derrick’s turn to} Willie Kane In 10, someone yelled to Chance at Instead the pitcher's | place, he hit eighth in Derrick’s place SMITH DROPS ONE NEW YORK, July 15.—Midget Smith, New York bantam, lost a 12 jround deoiston to Frankie Coster, of Brooklyn. Abe Goldstein, bantam, outpointed Johnny Gray in 12 JOHNNY DARCY WINS BAYON N, J., July 16.—John | ny Dal Bayonne lightweight, out | pointed Gene Delmont, Memphis, in 12 rounds. to Major Hitters NATIONAL LEAGUE Hornsby, Cardinals, .898, Hollocher, Cubs, .967. Bigbee, Pirates, .361. Johnston, Robins, Grimes, Cubs, .367 AMERICAN LBAGUE Sisler, Browns, .418 Cobb, Tigers, .396. Spegker, Indians, Hellman, Tigers, | Miller, Athletios, . Decision Stands on Iron Duke Baseball | Commissioner Refuses to Consider Kennie’s Petition HICAGO, July 15.— Commissioner Landis | today refused to reopen | the Kenworthy case. Landis, in a statement, denied a petition for a rehearing on the grounds that no cause appeared “for the modification of | the order entered on May 24.” Landis declared that if a club owner leads a player into “conduct det- rimental to baseball,” the commissioner may only reprimand the of- fending owner, while the player may be made “permanently ineligible.” Jones and Melhorn in Golf Lead Early Finishers Have 216 for 72 Holes in National Open KOKIE COUNTRY CLUB, Gien- coe, TL, July 15:—Bill Methorn, | Shreveport, ‘ang Bobby Jones, of At- lanta, were tied for the early lead in the fina] round of the national golf tournament here today. They hed a 216 on completion of 64 holes of the T2-hele champtonship play. 3 Methorn, firm tn hig faith in the — goddess of golf luck, carried a horse- shoe found at St. Andrew's, chewed a chicken’s wiehbone and carried No, 13, hig entry number, on his cap. Gene Sarazen, Pittsburg, had a 220 for third place. Chick Evang finished with 75, gtv- ing him 222, while Walter Hagen took a like number of strokes for 219. John Black, Callfornta star, and leader at the start of play, made the first nine holes in 36, two over par, A gallery of 5,000 followed Black and Jim Barnes, who was paired with the Californian, Barnes had a 37. SKOKIE COUNTRY CLUB, Chi- cago, July 15.—Twenty thousand spectators watched the final deck. ing round of the national golf cham- pionship tournament here today. The Skokie valley mista hung low over the course as Frank T. Sprogel, Memphis, and George Martin, Santa | Barbera, the Giret pair, teed off. However, the day promised to be bright and fair, with the course tn | excellent ‘condition. John Black, the dark horse of th tournament from California, the 8 to 5 favorite as the final da’ play got under way. Black, a native of Troon, Scotland, who started in life as a carpenter, is & grandfather and admits 42 years. “If he counts his golf scores the same way as he does his age he is & sure winner,” was the remark of Keddie Hesler, 15-yearokl freckle- jfaced caddy for the canny, pipe- j sucking Scotchman. Black made the low score in the jfirst day of championship play with 142. AMERICAN U LEAGUE the 8 Phila ia Boston The score— Louis At New York Batteries id; St. | Shocker, Danforth and Sev= Shawkey and Schang. The score— At Washington <8 Hodge, Brillh Picinion. The score— |Cievelana . | At_ Boston Batteries | Lindsay and O'Neill, | Quinn and Ruel. NATIONAL LEAGUE L, Sewell; New York St. Louis ago Cineinnatt Brooklyn | Pittsburg Philadelphia . Boston ...... The score— 12 2 16 . Smith and ¥ ffer, North and Ainamith, © hTe score— Brooklyn ‘at Cinoinnatt i Batteries and Hargrave, 7 e 1 ¥ 8 Gadore ‘dha’ ishorey! Risa mo 4 jeht and Snyder; Jones, O'Farrell R. | Boston At Pittsburg ea: ‘ 1 Batteries: Marquard, Lansing, Ocseh- er and Gibson; Cooper and Gooch,